1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Kf I am six forty. You're listening to Dean Sharp, 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: the House Whisper on demand on the iHeart Radio app today. 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: On the show, it's your calls. The number to reach 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: me eight three to three two Ask Dean eight three 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: to three the numeral to ask Dean whatever as you 6 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: scratch in your head about your home design, construction, DIY inside, outside, 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: I got you. We'll put our heads together and get 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: it figured out. Let's get to it. Let's talk to Kenneth. Hey, Kenneth, 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: welcome home. 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 2: Hi Dean. We had our house inspected by a plumbing 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 2: company and they discovered pinhole leaks, leaks in the piping material. 12 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 2: There's copper, there's galvin ice pipe, and there is a 13 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: hole in the cast iron drainage which has been leaking 14 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: for probably quite a while, and it's pulling up underneath 15 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: the crawl space underneath the house. And their recommendation is 16 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 2: to repipe the whole house and redrain the whole part 17 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: the whole house, And wanted to get your opinion on 18 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 2: when when to repipe and when to redrain and when 19 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: not to. 20 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like it's time, my friend. It sounds 21 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: like it's time. 22 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 3: For sure. How old is the house? 23 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 2: First of all, the house was built in nineteen fifty six, 24 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: and we've had copper pipe partially installed in the system. 25 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: We've had abs partially installed in the system. But they 26 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: took video and pictures and there's a lot of corrosion, 27 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: a lot of leaks, and there's one leak that comes 28 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: down from the washer and the sink and sink and 29 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: it's when you turn it on, it just flows right 30 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: out as well to the main drain. So their recommendation 31 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: is to repipe and redrain. But you know, north of 32 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:14,559 Speaker 2: forty five grand. 33 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: That's a lot. That's that's an awful lot. So here's 34 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: here's my advice to you, my friend. First of all, 35 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: it sounds as though the conditions are present that would 36 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: warrant repiping the house, no question about that. It's just 37 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: it's time. It sounds like it's time. If there's pitting, 38 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: if the copper is starting to fail, if you have galvanys, 39 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: that's a given that I want you to repipe the house. Okay, 40 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: that's one thing. That's one thing. The drainage system, this 41 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: is a different subject. Now you may still have cast 42 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: iron lead lines coming up through and vents coming up 43 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: through the house, you might have cast iron in the ground. 44 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: When it comes to the drains, part of the expense 45 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: that plumbers sometimes want to charge is they want to 46 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: dig up all the old drains all the way out 47 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: to the curb and replace it all with abs piping, 48 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: which is fine and noble if you've got the budget 49 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: for that kind of thing. But when it comes to 50 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: cast iron drain lines, if they are not occluded, of 51 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: course there's going to be corrosion in an old cast iron. 52 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: But if they're not occluded, they came like an artery 53 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: with a lot of cholesterol in it. Right, If they're 54 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: not occluded, right, if they could be rooted out and 55 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: cleaned out for the most part, But there is a 56 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: hole or a crack in them that is leaking, if 57 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: it's not that the pipe, If the pipe has just fractured, 58 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: but it isn't displaced one side from the other, you 59 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: know what I mean, If it's still in line, then 60 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: as opposed to digging out all of that cast iron 61 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: all the way down out of the house and replacing 62 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: it with abs, you should also look into the idea 63 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: of blowing an epoxy liner into that pipe inside the pipe, 64 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: which is basically a pipe inside a pipe and makes 65 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: it brand new on the inside, okay, as opposed to 66 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: digging it all out. But the moral of the story, 67 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: my friend, is this, explore all those options. I appreciate 68 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: that a plumbing company has come out and given you 69 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: a quote and done a thorough inspection, but you don't 70 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: owe them anything past that. At this point, I want 71 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: you to get two or three more estimates from reputable 72 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: plumbers on the situation. I want you to hear what 73 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: they all have to say and get pricing from everybody. 74 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: Because forty five thousand dollars for a repipe. I don't 75 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: know how big the house is, but forty five thousand 76 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: dollars for a repipe is a pretty sizable number. And 77 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: so just because they're the first one who found the 78 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: treasure does not mean they need they to claim the 79 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: treasure from you. So I just want you to know. 80 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: The only way you're going to know the only way 81 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: I would know. I can't walk through your house, look 82 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: at it all and say, okay, it's going to cost 83 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: us much. The only way I will know whether or 84 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: not you're getting a good price for your home is 85 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: if you hand me four estimates from four different plumbing companies, 86 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: and I get to see basically where the ven diagram 87 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: where they all over overlap, and we get a general 88 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: sense of who the outlier is price wise that and 89 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: we realized, wow, three or four of these guys are 90 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: all coming in, you know, relatively close to each other. 91 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: I think this is reasonable to assume this is the 92 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: price for repiping this house. 93 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: Mm, we're talking about three, three bathrooms, one hundred and 94 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 2: well about two thousand square feet. 95 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: And yeah, that's a. 96 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: Lot of money for a two thousand square foot house, 97 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: My friend, that's a lot of money. 98 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 4: To get gay. 99 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: That's good to know. Good. 100 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I called you because we're we're at 101 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: a point we have to do it because water has 102 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: been plewing up under one of the rooms when the 103 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: when we wash use a washer and the sink of 104 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: a kitchen sink, right, So so anyway, that's that's where 105 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: we're at. Thanks for the advice, really appreciate it. Now, 106 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: are there any kind of uh reminiation we need to 107 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 2: do in terms of that water sitting under the house 108 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: for quite a while now. 109 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if if it has caused any kind 110 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: of of a mold issue, that may be a concern, 111 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: but I think at this point just let's just address 112 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: getting those pipes sealed up so that we don't keep 113 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: adding moisture to it. And my assumption is that the 114 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: moisture will dry itself out and go away. But if 115 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: there's a visible mold issue, you get under there with 116 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: some bleach bleach and water mixture and knock that all 117 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: down and uh and maybe uh, you know, put a 118 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: little of drying element into the soil. But that's really 119 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: it's a secondary concern at this point. The main concern 120 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: is stop the leaks the water intrusion. Deal with the 121 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: rest of it later. Don't worry about that stuff right now. 122 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: Just focus on the repipe and the redoing of the 123 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: drain lines that are necessary, and get it done for 124 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: the right price. 125 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 3: My friend, good luck with that. I'm up against a break. 126 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: I wish you well and I'm sure now if you're 127 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: on the right track, right you get those multiple bids, 128 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: you'll get it quicker, all right, More great stuff on 129 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: the way. You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp the 130 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: House which we will. 131 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 5: You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 132 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 5: KFI AM six forty. 133 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 3: Let's get back to the phones. Jane. Hey, Jane, welcome home. 134 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 6: Thanks for taking my calls. I have a quick question. 135 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 6: We're looking to remodel our house and open up some 136 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 6: of the walls, and we're not sure if we should 137 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 6: get a designer first to work out the layout and 138 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 6: the design, or if we should speak with structural engineer 139 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 6: to actually let us know which walls we can open up. 140 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: Excellent question, a procedural question on how you get started 141 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: with this kind of thing. The answer is a bit nuanced, Jane. 142 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: Number one. 143 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: The first call that you always make, that everyone should 144 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: always make when they're thinking about remodeling or doing something 145 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: different with their house, is you call a designer. All right, 146 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: You start with the creativity, you start with the art. 147 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: You start with somebody who knows what they're doing in 148 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: order to help you come with the absolute best possible 149 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: design that works for you, that customizes your home, that 150 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: expresses you. Because, as I say here on the program 151 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: all the time, as you know, design matters most We 152 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: start with design. However, sometimes design choices end up leading 153 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: towards Wow, we're going to move that wall or we're 154 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: going to eliminate that wall, and we want to change 155 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: those windows, or we want to put in a much 156 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: bigger door. Things that in fringe and touch now upon 157 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: structural issues. So this is why I say it's nuanced. 158 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: What you want is you want to call the designer 159 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: first and you want to start having that conversation. What 160 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: you don't want is to pay a designer for a 161 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: full on, full blown finished design when you don't know 162 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: what the structural ramifications are. Okay, So you call a 163 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: designer and you begin to work with them in what 164 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: we call rough design mode or rough sketch mode, in 165 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: which we haven't you know, we haven't sold the farm 166 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: yet for this design. But we get to the point 167 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: where now we sense like, wow, we're really liking where 168 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: this is going. And the big question now looms what 169 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: about that wall? And that is when you call in 170 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: a structural engineer for a consultation, and it's a couple 171 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: three hundred dollars, most structural engineers will show up and 172 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: help you figure out what's going on on. Sometimes it's 173 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: pretty simple to do expect that they will. In order 174 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: to make the most of a consult like that, that 175 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: you're going to want to invest a little of demo 176 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: and by demo, I just mean a forensic opening up. 177 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: You know, if it's a wall in question, you don't 178 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: know if it's a bearing wall, or if you don't 179 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: know if it's a sheer wall that's critical for the 180 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: seismic strength of the house, then you. 181 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 3: Want to pull some drywall off. 182 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: And drywall is inexpensive to replace, Okay, it's just cost 183 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: of getting ready for your remodel. A little bit of 184 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: forensic analysis. So in other words, if we're talking about 185 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: you know, if we were talking about the house in 186 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: terms of let's say the metaphor of a patient going 187 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: in for some surgical procedure and there are some things 188 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: that we don't quite know about, then we would call 189 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: this exploratory surgery, in which we open things up just 190 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: a little bit to take a look around and to 191 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: verify what it is that we're dealing with there. 192 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 3: So open up. 193 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: A little section a drywall on a wall, open up 194 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: some drywall on the ceiling right next to the top 195 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: of that wall, if we want to figure out what 196 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: direction the ceiling joysts are going, what's bearing on that 197 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: wall or not, that kind of stuff, and then have 198 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: the structural engineer come out and give you an evaluation 199 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: of like okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see this. They 200 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: might just say, listen, hey, thanks for paying for the console. 201 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: I think you're good to go. That's not a bearing wall. 202 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: That thing can be removed and you don't have to 203 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: worry about it. Or they may say, yeah, now some 204 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: engineering is going to be required here and it's a 205 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: major deal, or some engineering is required and it's not 206 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: that big of a deal. So that's the information you 207 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: need you need at that juncture, and then you return 208 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: to the design process with that information under your arm 209 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: in order to finish out the design. You may decide 210 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: to abandon that design because you don't want to touch 211 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: that wall, or it may be full steam ahead, so 212 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: it's designer engineer, back to the designer. And then as 213 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: you commit to a remodel, especially assuming that you're going 214 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: to be pulling permits and doing it the right way, 215 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: then once the designer is then committing to plans, the 216 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: engineer is going to get involved again and put in 217 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: their structural notes and pages in the plans that you'll 218 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,479 Speaker 1: submit to the city. And that's kind of the hopscotch 219 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: or leap frogging that happens. So don't pay a designer 220 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: everything up front to do a complete design when you 221 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: don't know the ramification structurally on the house. And just 222 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: to let you know, just as a little toper, I'll 223 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: tell you how Tina and I actually do. Even when 224 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: we have been hired to do a full design on 225 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: a home, we will still tell our clients Listen, we 226 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: are going to take you to rough design in which 227 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: you're thrilled with the way everything's looking, and then we're 228 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: going to get an engineer involved to spec out rough 229 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: engineering specifications not even finished yet, but rough specifications, because 230 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: only then do you have with our drawing down on 231 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: the page and the engineering specifications. Only then do you 232 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: have the information you need to turn around and hand 233 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: it to two or three contractors to give you what's 234 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: called a rom a rough order of magnitude or really 235 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: rough estimate. So you're not holding them to it, but 236 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: these are contractors that you're vetting and you're thinking about using, 237 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: and they give you a rough estimate, so you get 238 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: an idea like, ah, and this is what our project 239 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: probably is going to cost in the ballpark. At that 240 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: point you may find out m Yeah, all right, that's 241 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: in our budget, or no, that's too much, and then 242 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: you go back to the design and tweak it again. 243 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: So there's this interplay and this collaboration and that's generally 244 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: how it works. 245 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 4: Does that help, Yeah, thank you so much. 246 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: All right, Jane, good luck on that project. Okay, a 247 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: quick break and then more of your calls. You're listening 248 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: to Home with Dean Sharp, the house Whisper. 249 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 5: You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 250 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 5: KFI AM six forty. 251 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: Taking your calls today. We still have some more to go. 252 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: Let's get back to the phones. Hey, Sally, welcome home. 253 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 4: I have a question about my nineteen fifty seven crack home. 254 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 4: I keep getting these letters in the mail from I 255 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 4: think the gas company asking me if I want insurance 256 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 4: from my gas and sewer lines that go from my 257 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 4: home to the street. Yeah, and I just want to know, 258 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 4: is that I mean I kind of worry about the 259 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 4: sewer line, the gas line. I never even gave a 260 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 4: second bot to be in the age of my house 261 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 4: and have no idea what kind of pipes it has. 262 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 263 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, you know, I think everybody is a 264 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: really good question, because I'm pretty sure everybody in southern 265 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: California has consistently received those letters. 266 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 3: Now, I mean we get them. 267 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how how often do we get a 268 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: letter from the gas company, Tina saying do you want 269 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: insurance on the exterior your lines? Like it once a year, 270 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: a couple of times anyway, So I think they're covering, 271 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: they're they're reaching out to everybody. Uh okay, So I 272 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: don't have a definitive answer for you, but I can 273 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: tell you this you just got. It's as with all insurance. Uh, 274 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: you've got to read the fine print, because my understanding 275 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: of this situation, it's actually not the gas company that's 276 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: doing the insuring. It is a partner company, an insurance company, 277 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: I believe, so cal It's Home Serve is the name 278 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: of the company that is right Home Serve. So they're 279 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: a mega, mega insurance company. And uh and and it's 280 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: in it's inexpensive. I think it's just a few dollars 281 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: a month, Okay, So you weigh that against whether or 282 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: not you know there are enough you know, coverage areas 283 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: to make it worth while. And what I mean is, 284 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: as with all insurance policies, especially when it comes to 285 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: homeowner insurance of any sort whatsoever, usually the list of 286 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: exclusions is like four times as long as the list 287 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: of coverage. 288 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: Okay, and so, and that's the thing. I'll tell you this. 289 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: And now I'm gonna by saying this, I'm gonna lose 290 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: any potential endorsement from the gas company. 291 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 3: This call is costing me money, Sally. That's all I'm here. 292 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: We have not opted to do it at our home. 293 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: And it's not just because well you know, I'm a 294 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: builder and I know how to do it. It's not 295 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: about that. It's just that I found for us that 296 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: the list of exclusions, I mean, it just went on 297 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: and on and on and on as far as like 298 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: acts of God, flood fire, this nothing gets covered nuclear 299 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: war like like I would be concerned about my surelye 300 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: after the nuclear bomb goes off. But but the point 301 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: is so so all I can tell you is we 302 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: did not pick up that coverage. And personally, that was 303 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: our own personal decision. I'm not saying it's a ripoff. 304 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm simply saying that everybody has to evaluate their own 305 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: situation and and read the fine print because at some point, uh, 306 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, what's left over after the list of exclusions, 307 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: that's what you have to evaluate. What are the odds 308 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: of this happening to me in just this way so 309 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: that this gets covered and otherwise, you know, And isn't 310 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: that all insurance really? I mean, all insurance is essentially 311 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: a gamble. It's a pull of the of the slot 312 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: machine wheel, like gee, I for the money I put in, 313 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: I hope the disaster that happens is the is the 314 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: one that's covered. 315 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 4: So so. 316 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: That's the best I can tell you is just read it, 317 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: read the fine print, check the exclusions, and you know, 318 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: maybe you'll find the six bucks a month is you know, 319 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: no big deal. And yeah, why not? Why not? 320 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 4: I had a die come by about ten years ago. 321 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 4: Two guys come by and oh, they were going to 322 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 4: replace my my sewer line. It was like fifteen thousand 323 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 4: dollars or something. I thought, holy crap, you know, I'm 324 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 4: not that far away from the street. Yeah. 325 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I will tell you that maybe insurance is good. 326 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you this. You know, replacing 327 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: a sewer line is no joke. It's no joke because 328 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: they go deep. You got to cut through your yard. 329 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 5: You know. 330 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: Maybe for a lot of people, you end up, you know, 331 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: cutting through a driveway, you know, depending on where where 332 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: it is, and how it's running and what material. I mean, 333 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: there were still homes out there with clay sewer lines 334 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: that are just begging to shut down at any moment today. 335 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, what do you have. 336 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 3: To do though? 337 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: Here's the I mean, I'll put I'll put a bright 338 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: spin on it. Here's the nice thing about having to 339 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: make an insurance decision that kind of stuff. You should 340 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: take it as an opportunity to figure out exactly where 341 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: all of this stuff is in your yard, Okay, what 342 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: it's made out of, and where it goes. And I 343 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: will tell you this. If I asked one hundred listeners 344 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: right now where their sewer line leaves their house and 345 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: joins up with the street, I'm thinking that I'm going 346 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: to get seventy homeowners saying oh uh, And that's something 347 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: you should just you should you should know, you should know, 348 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: and you know what. One of the ways that you 349 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: can do that is by calling a service like dig Alert, 350 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: by calling eight one pint one, and they'll come out 351 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: in the. 352 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 3: Three days, no less than no more than three. 353 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: Days from your call, maybe with the exception of Christmas week, 354 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: and they will flag and locate all the stuff that's 355 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: buried in your yard for free. 356 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 3: Okay, So. 357 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: No, no, kiddie, This is they beg you to do 358 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: it because if you're about to dig in your yard, 359 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: they don't want you hitting gas lines, sewer lines. They 360 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: don't want you hitting public utility lines that happened across 361 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: your property and you didn't know it. They don't want 362 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: you disrupting the neighborhood's cable service and all of that 363 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So these companies, all of these utilities, 364 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: they pay at their cost to be a part of 365 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: the dig Alert program. And so and you don't have 366 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: to justify, you don't have to show them a building 367 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: permit and you say, listen, I'm planning on having work 368 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: done in my yard. In your case, it's an emergency 369 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: sewer repair in the future, and they will simply notify 370 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: all of the utilities. They do a scan on your 371 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: property public records, and they'll notify all the utilities and 372 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: cable providers and all of that, and they'll all be 373 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: out and they'll put little flags in the yard this 374 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: is where the sewer is, this is where this is, 375 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: and you can start to learn and see. So that way, 376 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: my point is you can evaluate eight like, Wow, does 377 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: my sewer line run underneath my driveway or is it 378 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: in a place where if I had to replace it 379 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: it wouldn't completely tear up my yard for tens of 380 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: thousands of dollars that kind of stuff. 381 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 3: Everybody should know that. 382 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: But getting back, and I got to run here because 383 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: we're right at the top of the hour, Sally, But 384 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: such a great question. And again, just you know, after 385 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: all the exclusions, does the insurance cover enough of real 386 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: life potential circumstances to be worth the few bucks a 387 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: month that you're gonna pay for? 388 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 3: And then that's the best advice I can gray. 389 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 4: Excellent advice. And thank you for the eight one mon 390 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 4: number here, very very welcome. 391 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: Thanks Sally for the call. Okay, a quick break and 392 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: then more of your calls. You're listening to Home with 393 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: Dean Sharp, the house Whisper. 394 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 5: You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 395 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 5: KFI AM six forty. 396 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: Here to help you transform your ordinary house into an 397 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: extraordinary home. We're doing that today by taking your calls. 398 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: Let's get back to the phones. Laura, good morning and 399 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: welcome home. 400 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 4: I Deane. I'm looking to replace my cabinet on door 401 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 4: fronts and drawer fronts in my kitchen and I know 402 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 4: to paint them use Benjamin More cabinet paint based on 403 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 4: your show, and I'm how to paint them cabinets right now? 404 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 4: Or seand our spain, so I know I have to 405 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 4: stand it crim painted. Any best tricks placed to buy 406 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 4: cabinet front doors and drawer fronts. And then I had 407 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 4: this edging around my countertops that kind of looks like 408 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 4: would but it feels like plastic and I don't know 409 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 4: if it's the mirror or what it is. But how 410 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 4: to paint that because I don't know of standing it 411 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 4: and it's I'm hoping seeing it mean perminent and painting 412 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 4: it it will last with this cabinet paint, Okay? Question 413 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 4: where to sign stuff? 414 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: Okay, so so you haven't actually selected the the the 415 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: doors yet. 416 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 4: No, I'm looking online for places, but mixed reviews of 417 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 4: every place I'm looking, and I know, you know everyone 418 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 4: has their own opinions of places, so you take them 419 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 4: how you want them. But do you have any recommendations 420 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 4: of where to purchase door fronts and drawer fronts and 421 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 4: then the hetching around the count of tal Yeah? 422 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, So first of all, where to purchase. 423 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: You know, if you don't find exactly what you're looking 424 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: for online, then get some advice from the people. 425 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 3: At the kitchen store. 426 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: Honestly, you should call them up and say, Okay, here's 427 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: my situation. Especially if you've got any odd sized doors. 428 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: They can definitely help you out with that because they've 429 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: got the They get the line on multiple different brands 430 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: and multiple different lines of cabinet doors. The cabinet door 431 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: that you're looking to replace your existing ones with, is 432 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: it a raised panel door? 433 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 3: Is it like a flat shaker door? What do you 434 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,719 Speaker 3: what are you thinking? What's the planet? 435 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 4: It's the house was built in ninety three, so it 436 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 4: and it used to be like a honey oak, and 437 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 4: I stand in a little bit darker so it's not 438 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 4: so yucky looking. So it's kind of raised ish, has 439 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 4: some detail on it that we don't like anymore. But 440 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 4: we are looking at going more playing as a shaker 441 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 4: style cabinet doorfront and doorfronts. 442 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: So well, the reason I ask, yeah, the reason I 443 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: asked is because one of the big things about cabinet 444 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: doors that a lot of people aren't really aware of. 445 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: If you're using now, you if you're going for a shaker, 446 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: which is a framed exterior and a flat panel in 447 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: the center, then you're good. You're good with you know, 448 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: you don't have to follow this particular piece of advice 449 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: because that center shaker panel is some in almost every 450 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 1: shaker door you would buy, it's some form of a 451 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: piece of vineyard plywood, which is a good thing. 452 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 3: That's a good thing, not a bad thing. 453 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: Some cabinet doors these days that have raised panels, some 454 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: people think, oh, well, I got to go with the 455 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: stain grade door because that's the solid wood panel, and 456 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: that must be the best, because all these other doors 457 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: that are paint grade have an MDF panel, like a 458 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,719 Speaker 1: medium density fiberboard panel, even with a wood frame around them, 459 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: and that doesn't seem right. And yet that's exactly right 460 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: for those of you who are thinking about doing this, 461 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: because when it comes to a paint grade cabinet, we 462 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: always use an MDF fiberboard center panel because it won't 463 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: split in their noor of solid wood. Interior. Raised panels 464 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: are notorious for sometimes cracking and splitting along the grain line, 465 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: But that doesn't apply to you, Laura. I'm just laying 466 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: that out there for everybody else who's thinking about replacing 467 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: their cabinet doors. There are so many good suppliers of 468 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: Shaker style cabinet doors that I'm sure you're going to 469 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: be able to find one, But you know, give the 470 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: kitchen store ring too and get some advice along those lines, 471 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: because there are multiple sources to find them. Some of 472 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: them are put together better than others, and so. 473 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 3: That's what yeah, yeah. 474 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: And that's what that's what you want to be looking 475 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: for for sure. And if you if there's anywhere where 476 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: you can get either a sample or get hands on 477 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: or eyes on, I would always recommend that first before 478 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 1: committing to it, because even though you're not replacing all 479 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: your cabinets, it's still it's still a big pull to 480 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: replace all of the doors and drawer fronts in the kitchen. Now, 481 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: let's talk about the the stuff that you've got left over. 482 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: If you're replacing doors and drawerfronts, okay, then you don't 483 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: have to worry about much prep on the new ones 484 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: because they're coming in raw and ready to rock and 485 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 1: roll for your paint. Just I assume that, and the 486 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: best thing to do is to order them either raw 487 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: and or pre primed and that's always. 488 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 4: A great primed Yeah. 489 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, pre prime from the factory is just a fantastic 490 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: way to go because they're basically paint ready for you. Okay, 491 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: you just make sure they're clean and dust free and 492 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: they're paint ready and ready to go. Now, as far 493 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: as the existing face frame of your cabinet, when we 494 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: say sanding, okay, I just want to make it really clear, 495 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: you're not restaining these cabinets, you're painting them. Okay, So 496 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: when we say sand, we do not need to sand 497 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: these cabinets all the way down to bear wood. 498 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 3: Okay. 499 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: What we're looking to do is number one, we want 500 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: to make sure those frames are cleaned up nice and clean, 501 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: and we want to basically and them just enough to 502 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: open up the porosity of the finish that's on there. Okay, 503 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: So we want to dull the finish. And if you've 504 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: successfully dulled the finish and then wipe them down super 505 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: clean and ready, then chances are they are ready or 506 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: paint at that point, because you know, the cabinets have 507 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: got paint or stain on them, and then they've got 508 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: a polyurethane finish on them that may or may not 509 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: be in great shape after the years have gone by, 510 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: you want to get to the point where you've opened 511 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: up the porosity simply so that the paint is going 512 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: to grab onto that surface and not peel and ship away. 513 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: And the same is true with that little strip around 514 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: the edge of the countertop. I hope it's not plastic, 515 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: because that would be weird. First of all, chances are 516 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: it's probably a highly because it's an edge piece, it's 517 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: probably a piece of wood with a lot of polyurethane 518 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: on it. Okay, So again we're talking about a very 519 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: a very fine, relatively fine grit of sand paper. And again, 520 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: because you're painting it, you're not really worried about messing up, 521 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: you know, even if it is plastic and messing up 522 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: you know some veneer that's printed on it. 523 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 3: Okay, So we're talking. 524 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: About very very light, very very small grit sand paper 525 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: to again take off sort of burnish, take off the 526 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: shine of that edge piece without changing its form or 527 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: digging into it. And I think chances are very very likely, 528 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: maybe ninety eight percent chance you just take off any 529 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: kind of shine that it's got, clean it up real good, 530 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: it'll be ready for paint. 531 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 4: And can I use the same cabinet paint for that 532 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:50,959 Speaker 4: edging of the countertop. 533 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say so. 534 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: I mean, if you've got a cabin quality paint, Yeah, 535 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: then that's where you should go with with that edging piece, 536 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: because if that's part of the color scheme, then then 537 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: use that there as well. 538 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 3: Does that make sense? 539 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 4: Great? Thank you so much for your hop. I really 540 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 4: appreciate it. 541 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 3: You're so welcome, Lauren, Thank you for the call. Really 542 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 3: really great question. 543 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: Okay, let's take a quick break and then back to 544 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: the phones. You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp, The 545 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: House Whisper time. This has been Home with Dean Sharp, 546 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: the House Whisper. Tune into the live broadcast on KFI 547 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: AM six forty every Saturday morning from six to eight 548 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: Pacific time and every Sunday morning from nine to noon 549 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: Pacific time, or anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.