1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:01,720 Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty. 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 2: Well, this week it will be a four quarter pad 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 2: founder when the Bengals try to slice through the bankers. 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: To be honest, I prefer my cheese shred it, but 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: eating it does make me Gussie. There will be no 6 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: love lost at Lembo Field, or will there. Sunday coverage 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: begins at twelve noon stream for free. Are the new 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: and improved iHeartRadio app or ESPN fifteen thirty the official 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 2: home of the Cincinnati Bengals. 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 3: We say all the sports all the time. At Oakley Greens, 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 3: which is where we are today, it's a it's a 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 3: not so gorgeous Tuesday afternoon. I'm not gonna lie to you. 13 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 3: You know, for weeks we were here, it was hot out. 14 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 3: We had summer weather in September, summer weather in October, 15 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 3: and those folks were like, you know, could really use 16 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 3: some fall weather. 17 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 4: Hope you're enjoying today. 18 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 3: We're at Oakley Greens in Oakley, Oakley Station, right by 19 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: the movie theater and we're hanging out. 20 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 4: You know, you could. 21 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 3: Still post off outside. We've got an indoor bar and 22 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 3: outdoor bar. You could still play miniature golf. You could 23 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 3: watch the Bengals on Sunday, the Joe Flacco era beginning 24 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 3: against the Green Bay Packers, your favorite college football team. 25 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 4: This weekend. 26 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 3: We've got Bengo on Mondays and Thursdays for NFL games 27 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 3: and so much more. A great staff, a great place, 28 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: Oakley Greens, and Paul Danner Junior's here to help us 29 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: make sense of There are very few things that when 30 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 3: I see them. 31 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 4: Like knock me back. 32 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 3: Reading the tweet from Tom Pellisero that the Bengals have 33 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 3: traded for Joe Flacco is one of them. 34 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 5: Definitely did the check on a darn schefter to make 35 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 5: sure it wasn't the wrong one. You know, I had, 36 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 5: you know, we had been I had a story of 37 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 5: this morning kind of detailing that the view from inside 38 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 5: the building was the answers not in the building, right, 39 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 5: And they had been working the phones for forty eight 40 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 5: hours parsing through what was available and an understanding. And 41 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 5: we had heard Zach Taylor twice now in answering questions saying, hey, 42 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 5: that's the personnel people right like that, like no, you know, 43 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 5: not committing to Jake Brown. So I think the writing 44 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 5: was sort of on the wall that this was the 45 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 5: time the timing had arrived where if you're gonna do 46 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 5: that something, this was the time you have to do it. 47 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 5: For any number of reasons that I'm sure we'll go 48 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 5: through here over the next hour, but that you you 49 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 5: can't just flush the season and what is happening with 50 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 5: Jake Browning was unsustainable, could not go on any longer. 51 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 5: What are the other options? Because it's hard for it 52 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 5: to look worse even if you bring somebody in from 53 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 5: the outside, which is a challenging thing to do. Going 54 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 5: for Joe Flacco, who Willie Anderson blocked for at a 55 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 5: point in time, ah, he was in the Ring of Honor, 56 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 5: it was drafted in nineteen ninety six, is the Joe 57 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 5: Flacco who was just benched in Cleveland for a day. 58 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 5: Three rookie named Dylan Gabriel is the answer. So the 59 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 5: question is like, God, this seems so desperate. Yes, yes, 60 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 5: it's very desperate, incredibly desperate situation. This is a very 61 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 5: bad situation. But this gives them some semblance of well maybe, 62 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 5: and that's it. They'll take well maybe, because I think 63 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 5: you know what the rest of it was gonna be. 64 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: I would be remiss if I didn't mention because I 65 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 3: didn't at the top. Paul Danner Junior at the Athletic 66 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: dot Com instant analysis of the Joe Flacco trade which 67 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: the Bengals have just made official within the last minute. 68 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 3: Joe Flacco Brett Rippen has been cut loose, so Jake 69 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: Brown and goes back to being the backup quarterback. Bengals 70 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 3: with their first ever trade that actually got executed with 71 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns. They have also acquired a twenty twenty 72 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: six sixth round trap choice, and they have sent to 73 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 3: Cleveland a twenty twenty six fifth round draft choice that 74 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 3: Duke Tobin probably would have screwed up anyway. 75 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 4: Paul with the Growler podcast as well. 76 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: So I think most of us walked away from Sunday 77 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 3: going this isn't tenable, like this, whatever you do next, 78 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 3: whatever it is fine, because it can't be this. And 79 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 3: frankly I felt that way. At halftime. My thinking is, 80 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 3: all right, man, I'll give them the first drive of 81 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 3: the third quarter and then try the other guy. And 82 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: by the other guy, like anybody, literally anybody. It could 83 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: have picked anybody out of the stands. He threw some 84 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: garbage time touchdowns, made a really nice play on the 85 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: one where he throws in the back of the end 86 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: zone a Jamar chase, but it was abundantly clear that 87 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 3: this is not it. 88 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 4: I guess let me start with this. 89 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 3: In regards to other players that people have talked about, 90 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 3: it's been reported that the Bengals didn't reach out to 91 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 3: the Giants in regards to either Russell Wilson or Jameis Wins. 92 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 5: Correct, Why well, I don't think that they viewed Russ's 93 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 5: I mean, again, why not. It's probably like I think 94 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 5: it's all kind of the same. But I think that 95 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 5: they didn't view Russ's style as a fit. I don't 96 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 5: think they viewed him coming in and meshing in the 97 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 5: building as a fit. And I think then with Jamis, 98 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 5: I just think the wild interception heavy nature of what 99 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 5: you're gonna get with him is probably but flack out 100 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 5: those interceptions too. It goes back to the I mean, 101 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 5: it's all bad desperation stuff. I think you're you're picking through, 102 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 5: You're you're picking through a you know, a bunch of 103 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 5: awful options essentially. But I think they wanted somebody who 104 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 5: could for sure come in, they knew could quickly learn 105 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 5: the system, they knew could do one thing that that 106 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 5: has stood out to me through all of this. Can 107 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 5: you put the ball where it's supposed to go? This 108 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 5: was the interceptions and some of the stuff that happened 109 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 5: with Jake Browning was a part of the problem. The 110 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 5: biggest problem was the ball was not going where it 111 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 5: was supposed to go, and they need somebody who they 112 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 5: felt best that could walk in the door and Sunday 113 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 5: against screen Bay. Put the ball where it's supposed to go, 114 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 5: whether that's in the first row, whether that's in Chase 115 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 5: Brown's belly, whether that is on a checkdown, whether that 116 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 5: is the deep shot to Jamar when it's time, Can 117 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 5: you put it where it's supposed to go, and the 118 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 5: rest of it they'll deal with. The problem they were 119 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 5: having with Jake was too often the plays that were there, 120 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 5: which as we know, were not enough of them. The 121 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 5: ball wasn't going to the spots where it needed to be, 122 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 5: and it appeared Jake was in his own head about 123 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 5: all of that. So Flacco, I think they look at 124 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 5: his profile. The number one thing you're probably getting from 125 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 5: him over all the other problematic options. He has the 126 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 5: best shot very quickly of putting the ball where it's 127 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 5: supposed to go, and that's why he's the guy over them, 128 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 5: you know, ending up in conversations with the Giants. I 129 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 5: also think that it's a minimal move in terms of 130 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 5: get having to give up anything. It's probably similar in 131 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 5: what you would have had to have given up for Russ. 132 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 5: But I just think they're not really into that whole 133 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 5: Russell Wilson thing that has obviously seen him gotten fired 134 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 5: from four places in five years, and not exactly you know, 135 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 5: been an easy mash anyway. 136 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 4: I guess for me the more, maybe not the more. 137 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 3: But as surprising as the trade was was who it 138 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 3: was done with. Are you surprised that the Cleveland Browns 139 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 3: were complicit in helping the Bengals find at least a 140 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: temporary solution at quarterback. 141 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:56,239 Speaker 5: Uh? A little, yeah, But I think Cleveland's pretty realistic. Sure, 142 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 5: I mean I think it puts for them. I think 143 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 5: they were looking to get something for Flacco the same 144 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 5: way they were looking to unload can He Pickett. Yeah, 145 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 5: add some draft capital. They give one step closer to Shador, 146 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 5: who's inevitably probably gonna play this this season. 147 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 4: The Bengals ask about him, I don't think so. 148 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 5: I don't think that was happening, But I think I 149 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 5: think they're just I think they're willing to say, look, 150 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 5: this is the best opportunity for us to get the 151 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 5: most out of this thing that we're trying to do, 152 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 5: which is unload Joe Flacco. So I'm not totally surprised 153 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 5: by that. And the Bengals, again, it fits the desperate 154 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 5: times theme here, and they'll deal with anybody. 155 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 3: At this point, the belief is he'll play. He'll start 156 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 3: Sunday against Green Bank. 157 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 5: I think that's the ideal scenario. I think you get 158 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 5: him in and you and you do as much as 159 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 5: you can. But I think, yeah, I think that's the 160 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 5: thought right now before again, the release just came out. Yeah, 161 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 5: he's still got to drive down seventy one or whatever's 162 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 5: happening there and get into town and they got to 163 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 5: get through a practice. But I think, right now, that's 164 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 5: the idea. 165 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 3: So my very first thought, beyond just the shock about 166 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,599 Speaker 3: it being Joe Flacco and then man they did a 167 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: deal with the Browns, was this is a guy who's 168 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 3: had to be a quick study before. And it's not 169 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 3: apples to apples, but he was signed to the Browns 170 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 3: practice squad two years ago. November eighteenth or nineteenth, and 171 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 3: was playing in the game I think on December third, 172 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 3: so it's not quite the same timeframe. But it's a 173 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 3: guy who's seen everything, done everything. He has done the 174 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 3: learned the offense quickly thing before. By the way, he's 175 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 3: done it without Jamar Chase and t Higgins to throw 176 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 3: to in the past. And so my first thing was, 177 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 3: all right, I want another guy. I'm not I cannot 178 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 3: watch Jake Browning play anymore. Give me the guy who 179 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: is most likely to be up to speed with what 180 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 3: they're doing with whatever this offense is as quickly as possible. 181 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 4: Joe Flacco is at the top of that list. 182 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's also already played the Packers. 183 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 4: Just two weeks ago. 184 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, and so he knows what's going He's going again, 185 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 5: it's defensively in terms of talking about justice Sunday and 186 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 5: not about the bigger picture. So that's something too. And yeah, 187 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 5: there's nothing he's gonna see on a football field that 188 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 5: he hasn't seen before that he doesn't know how to 189 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 5: deal with. This has kind of been his life. Yeah, 190 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 5: since he had that renaissance with the Browns, I mean, 191 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 5: going back and forth picking up different systems having to 192 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 5: just kind of be that lifeboat for people. It's kind 193 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 5: of his current state of things as he looks to, 194 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 5: you know, end his career in the best way possible. 195 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 5: And so and also I'll say this, he's got the 196 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 5: best surrounding sporting cast that he's had in any of 197 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 5: these stops that he's been at lately. And if the 198 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 5: job is get the ball to those guys when you're 199 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 5: supposed to get it to him, those are some guys 200 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 5: that can go make some plays for you. 201 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 3: Many will said, well, wait a minute, you could not 202 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: have found a more immobile option, no doubt, and. 203 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 4: Put behind this offensive line. It's just not going to work. Now. 204 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 3: My response to that is, I don't care. I don't 205 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 3: give me somebody who, if the protection is there and 206 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 3: Jamar Chase is open, knows I should throw it to him. 207 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 3: Or give me somebody who can tell you that's what 208 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 3: the safety is doing on the other or here's where 209 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 3: the blitz is coming from, Like, give me the cerebral 210 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 3: intellectual part of it, some of which is basic stuff. Again, 211 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 3: Jamar Chase is open, probably should look his way. Yeah, 212 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 3: give me that first. Also, I was told when Joe 213 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 3: Burrow got hurt. Eh, you know, it's hero ball. 214 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 4: He's reckless. So the offense, now we're back to the 215 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 4: offensive line is no good? What is it? 216 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 5: Well? No, I think the offensive line hasn't been good. Oh, 217 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 5: it's the general style of play, not just Joe Burrows. 218 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 5: The style of the offense was part of that too. 219 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 5: I think the offensive line has been part of the 220 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 5: problem the whole time. Yeah, and I yeah, this is 221 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 5: the problem. I mean, this is the issue here when 222 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 5: you're laying out all of this stuff. Yeah, this is 223 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 5: gonna be a problem. Like the fact that he won 224 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 5: throws too many picks and two, tends to do them 225 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 5: when he's under pressure, and then the guys that are 226 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 5: currently in front of him. That's the obvious problem with 227 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 5: this plan. That's why it's not a great plan. But 228 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 5: it's the best available plan in the current moment. 229 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 3: I go to work later then, you know, our office workers, 230 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 3: our sales folks, people in the building. 231 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 4: You know, I get there late morning. 232 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: Sometimes for the folks who are there at eight thirty 233 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 3: nine o'clock, there will be a big tray of donuts. 234 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 3: Right whenever I get there, there's like two and a 235 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 3: half donuts left. 236 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 4: There's one with jelly. 237 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 3: Nobody really ever wants the jelly donut. Then there's always 238 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 3: one with like it looks like caramel drips on it 239 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 3: and stuff. And then there's like a half eaten like 240 00:12:58,200 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: sugar donuts. 241 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 5: One that somebody put the like they're put their their 242 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 5: hand into when they're trying to grab a different one 243 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 5: and tweed some custard out. 244 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: And then sometimes they'll be like a like a quarter 245 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 3: of a Danish. But when I get there, I'm always hungry, 246 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: and it's like, these aren't the best options, but I'm 247 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 3: gonna pick one, And I kind of feel like the 248 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 3: Joe Flacca was like the jelly donut of quarterbacks. They 249 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 3: could have gotten. All right, let's see, you know what, 250 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 3: jelly donuts. It'll fill me up. Like that's what he is, 251 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 3: the litter, not filled with great options. 252 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 5: No you're not. You're you're not gonna go get a 253 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 5: great quarterback. I mean, the best option when they were 254 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 5: going through the list was Kirk Cousins for what they're 255 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 5: looking for or what they want for what you would 256 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 5: have to have given up and how much it would 257 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 5: have cost you, which would have been whatever you negotiated 258 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 5: with Atlanta plus the pick plus ten million dollars on 259 00:13:53,120 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 5: next year's gap. You are sacrificing a lot for or 260 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 5: I don't know what level of difference of play. Is 261 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 5: it even enough? He's still a flawed player as well, 262 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 5: he's thirty seven versus this, and I you know, I 263 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 5: don't is it wi that have been worth it? Could 264 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 5: they have made room? Could they? Yes? But you're sacrificing. Uh. 265 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 5: It's it's always is a harder deal to do, without question, 266 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 5: and Atlanta is not super interested in budgeting on it 267 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 5: anyway because they're happy with him sitting where he is. 268 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 5: Once you got past that, in my mind, I just 269 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 5: think you ended up in this lamb. That's all Joe Flaccos. 270 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 5: It's it's all Joe Flacco's so your favorite Flacco. It's 271 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 5: kind of I think what this is pick your favorite 272 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 5: bad donut. Yeah, your favorite bad donut. And here you are, here, 273 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 5: you got the jelly and and you're like and then 274 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 5: you take the fight and you're like, oh, it's a 275 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 5: little hard. It's a little hard. It's been here for 276 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 5: a couple hours. I wasn't anticipating in that part, yes, 277 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 5: but I should have probably have known that. And then 278 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 5: you're like, well, but do I finish it? That's a 279 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 5: couple of weeks, big, Do I finish the doughnut? 280 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 6: Well? 281 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 3: And there's always there's always like someone who's been there 282 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: for hours who sees me approaching the donut tray and 283 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 3: they're like, really, man, I am hungry, And they're kind 284 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 3: of looking at you like you should have been here 285 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 3: three and a half hours ago when we had the 286 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: full play to donuts, like you're really gonna eat one 287 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 3: of those? Man I touched that one three hours ago, 288 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 3: Like they're kind of looking at you and you're looking 289 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 3: at them like I got no choice, man. So that's 290 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 3: he's there's a He's Joe Jelly Donut Flacco. 291 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 4: That's what he is. 292 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 3: I hate jelly donuts, but I will But if it's 293 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 3: one of the last ones there, go for it. 294 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 5: Last ones there. You're willing to eat it because it's 295 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 5: better than starving. 296 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 4: Can they win one of the next two games with him? 297 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 5: Yes? 298 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 3: So if they win one of the next two I 299 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 3: think it was in your piece prior to the trade, 300 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 3: you point out seven opponents that are combined eight and 301 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 3: twenty six. Yes, okay, so I look at this is 302 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 3: Can I somehow win one of these next two many 303 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 3: many by recalibrate and then the schedule does soften up, 304 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 3: and can I with Joe Flacco in an AFC that 305 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 3: is wretched right now? 306 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 4: Can I? 307 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 3: Can I get this thing to mid late November and 308 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 3: still have a shot and then start talking about Joe 309 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 3: coming to Joe Burrow a jelly donut coming back in 310 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 3: mid December? 311 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 5: Uh? Once once you get past Green Bay this week. 312 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 5: Number of opponents left on the Bengals schedule currently in 313 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 5: the top thirteen and DVOA one one Buffalo Bills. That's it, 314 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 5: green Bay. They have two on the rest of their schedule. 315 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 5: Play Jake Browning against the Bills, So captain. But the 316 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 5: point being, it's like I think they I can tell 317 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 5: you a lot of the conversation around the building looking 318 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 5: at this is of course, this is the year that 319 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 5: everything open. It's never been more attainable. They're looking around 320 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 5: the AFC. You see, it's just it's wide open. It 321 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 5: is wide open right now, you are looking around the 322 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 5: AFC North. Nine wins might just be enough. Eight wins 323 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 5: might be enough, Like, let who's out here? Like Pittsburgh's 324 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 5: definitely gonna run away and hide with this no one 325 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 5: feels that way. And then you talk about their schedule 326 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 5: being what it is. You have a bunch of teams 327 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 5: that they that even with struggling the way that they are, 328 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 5: they should be able to go out there and play 329 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 5: with and beat. They have two wins in their pocket. Like, 330 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 5: you can't just sit here and say, ah, guess we'll 331 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 5: ride it out with Jake, right, Guess we won't take 332 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 5: a chance. Guess we won't see if something works. It's 333 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 5: too attainable. Not that you wouldn't try to do it 334 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 5: if it was like last year, and and the Ravens 335 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 5: look like one of the best teams in football, and 336 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 5: and and the AFC looks strong and whatever, but it's 337 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 5: even more in your face and there's even more impetus 338 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 5: to make this move because it's right there. And if 339 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 5: you can just take advantage of that through even a 340 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 5: small month or two of Joe Flacco makes an interesting 341 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 5: and Joe can come back in January, you can have 342 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 5: a shot at it. Yeah, that is a million ifs, 343 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 5: and I don't even want to discuss those until we 344 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,719 Speaker 5: get closer to it. But that's why you just have to. 345 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 5: It's desperate. The chance of it happening is small, but 346 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 5: you have to try it because it is still right there, 347 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 5: and I think there's enough good things. You have, a 348 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 5: healthy Jamar, a healthy t Higgins, a defense that no 349 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,239 Speaker 5: one wants to talk about it, but is doing a 350 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 5: few good things, which is probably more than you could say. 351 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 5: The last couple of years. 352 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 4: There are a lot of bad donuts on that. 353 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 5: It's a lot of bad donuts that we haven't talked 354 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 5: about that donut trade, and I'm happy to do it, 355 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 5: we'll do it. 356 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 4: But the coconut donut in there, I feel like you 357 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 4: could maybe see. 358 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 5: Some good things happening over on that side if they've 359 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 5: done enough where if you would have had any offense, 360 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 5: you'd have at least been in and maybe won a 361 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 5: couple of the last few games. Who knows. You have 362 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 5: to and I think it feels like it's possible, so 363 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 5: give yourself a small chance to do it. 364 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 4: It's like a blueberry donut in there. Yeah, claw bear 365 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 4: claws are always too filling. 366 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 5: What you're feeling on fritters, I'm pro frid, I'm pro frinter. 367 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 5: I'm pro fritter. It's actually really in recent years and 368 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 5: I don't know why it's really as sending up my list. 369 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 5: I look good. I'd become an Apple fritter. God, I'm 370 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 5: an Apple. Yeah, no Apple, that Paltre. No Apple fritters 371 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 5: on the Bengel Defense except for number nine twenty. 372 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 3: Three minutes after three o'clock, Paul Danner Juniorthathletic dot Com 373 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 3: and the Growler Podcast all over the news of the 374 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 3: day in the NFL. Joe Flacco can say it without laughing. 375 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 3: Joe Flacco has been traded to the Cincinnati Bengals. That's 376 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: where we are. We're at Oakley Greens. Uh, Paul's here 377 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 3: till four, We're here till six. This is ESPN fifteen thirty, 378 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 3: Cincinnati Sports. 379 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 2: Station, Cincinnati. 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There's 390 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 3: also an indoor area, like a genuine indoor area, tons 391 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 3: of TVs and the beer selections unbelievable, by the way. 392 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 3: You can also rent a cabana and you do that 393 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 3: for a bachelor party, a work party. Heck, we watched 394 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 3: one two weeks ago as a kids party. Here one 395 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 3: of those cabanas. You could do what I'm gonna do 396 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 3: later on. I might do it this weekend. Rent a 397 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 3: cabana and sit there by yourself. Sounds awesome. 398 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 5: It's you know what I as I've talked about many times. 399 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 5: I come up here with my family all the time. 400 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 5: And why I like it is strictly because of days 401 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 5: like today, where I don't know if it's gonna rain, 402 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 5: I don't know if they'll be able to go out 403 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 5: to the playground, but if they don't, I want to 404 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 5: have a place to go where there's space. There's so 405 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 5: much space that is both outside and undercover. Like, yeah, 406 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 5: you never have to worry about like the storm or 407 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 5: the weather or the heat or a'll melt down. I can, like, 408 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 5: I can get them away so they're not bothering people 409 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 5: when they inevitable meltdown occurs or the injury, and I 410 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 5: can like just there's plenty of space where I can 411 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 5: get away and find a corner and not bother anybody. 412 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 5: So it's that I it's part of our our our reasons. 413 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 5: We love it up here. 414 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 3: Dog friendly, kid friendly and sitting in a cabana by 415 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 3: yourself right now, I gotta be honest with you. 416 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 4: Sounds sounds pretty amazing. 417 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 3: We're at Oakley Greens twenty nine minutes after three o'clock. 418 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 3: Paul Danner Junior from the Athletic in the Growlard podcast 419 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 3: is here. 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That's right. 423 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 3: I've waited my entire life, Yeah, to watch the Bengals 424 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 3: with a Super Bowl winning quarterback behind. 425 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 5: Hey, who is better to sit here and talk about 426 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 5: Joe Flacco's arrival than a couple of forty year old 427 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 5: duce me and you? 428 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 3: Sports headlines coming up as well on ESPN fifteen thirty 429 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 3: Cincinnati Sports Stage. 430 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Austin Elmore since e three sixty comes 431 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: to you live every weekday from twelve to three right 432 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: here on the home of the Bengals Cincinnatis ESPN fifteen thirty, 433 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,479 Speaker 1: Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. 434 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 6: Traffic from the UC Health Traffic Center Mammograms Save Lives. 435 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 6: Call five one three five eighty four pink to schedule 436 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 6: your annual mammogram with UC Help's expert team. 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I'm at ezelic with traffic. 443 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: This report is sponsored by Mike. 444 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 3: We have Joe Flaco plays here, promoms let's go sports 445 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 3: headlines or service to Kelsey each ever Light home of 446 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 3: lifetime power training, protection and guarantee credit approval from their 447 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 3: family to yours for life Kelsey. 448 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 4: Chev dot com. Uh. 449 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 3: The Bengals have acquired Joe Flacco to be their quarterback. 450 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 3: I guess on Sunday against the Green Bay Packers, they 451 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 3: executed tray with the Cleveland Browns. The Bengals Sunday fifth 452 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 3: round pick next year to Cleveland brown Sunday, sixth round 453 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 3: pick next year to Cincinnati. I can't believe I'm saying this. 454 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 3: Joe Flacco is gonna play quarterback for the bank and 455 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 3: it's an improvement. 456 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 5: Yes, without question, you should and you should be willing 457 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 5: to take it on, you know, I am. I'm curious 458 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 5: to see how how much of the offense, uh they 459 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 5: can put in his lap and uh, I feel like 460 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 5: here's one thing I'll say, No, I don't think we've 461 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 5: seen the end of Jake Browning this year. 462 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 3: I'm getting guess he hasn't thrown his last interception for 463 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 3: the Bengals this season. 464 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 5: I don't think so, just because it's the idea that 465 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 5: this is they he's gonna survive. I worry for Joe's 466 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 5: physical well being a little bit. 467 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 3: He will throw his last NFL pass in a Bengals 468 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 3: uniform one way or the other. 469 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, right, I just I for his sake. You know, 470 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 5: there was Damn Pitcher. We were talking with him yesterday 471 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 5: and he said, you know, I thought that some of 472 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 5: the things the offensive line was doing were good, and 473 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 5: that they weren't, you know, the reason that things went 474 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 5: so poorly on Sunday, which was pointing out. I think 475 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 5: maybe it's like there were a bigger fish to fry. 476 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 4: In this conversation. 477 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 5: Quarterback stunk. Yeah, wash was part of it. But I 478 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 5: think they feel like there's some good things happening up there. 479 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 5: Marius Mimms played, well, there's one Okay. I don't know 480 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 5: what's happening with Orlando Brown getting old. He looks old. 481 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 5: That injury, you know, you have to start to ask 482 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 5: questions about what happened with that injured I was back 483 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 5: today looking at because he changed his stance last year 484 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 5: into this like kind of tucked in thing, and and 485 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 5: it really he credited to helping him play really well. 486 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 5: He's playing an extremely high level. For that that injury 487 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 5: last year, it was just significant injury. And it's it's 488 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 5: even more pronounced of way it's tucked in. I was 489 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 5: doing the side by side of it, he's like tucked 490 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 5: even deeper, and the like the push out of it 491 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 5: isn't quite the same. And now that could be any 492 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 5: number of things. Strike technique. It could be a dink. 493 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 5: Maybe it's the strike technique which is really going well 494 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 5: and then uh and so maybe that's part. But it 495 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 5: looks it looks like it's more painful. He's looking for 496 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 5: something comfortable. It just it looks different enough. I want 497 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 5: to talk to Orlando more about it, because that's that's clear. 498 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 5: And you see you see that in his play right now. 499 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 5: And I don't know if it's something that's new or 500 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 5: it's something residual from last year, or like you said, 501 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 5: maybe age or whatever, but he hasn't looked like the 502 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 5: same guy. And that's tough because right that was one 503 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 5: of those where it's like the one thing you could 504 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 5: count on this year was your You felt great about 505 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 5: your tackles in a group that you already you know, 506 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 5: had concerns about. So that has that certainly has not 507 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 5: helped matters. 508 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 3: Brett Rippen has been let go, Mike White has been 509 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 3: let go, Howard Cross has been signed to the practice squad. 510 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 4: So those are your other Bengals items. 511 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 3: A couple of other things really quick, the Baseball playoffs, 512 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 3: American League Division Series, Tigers and Mariners that are having 513 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 3: rain in Detroit, so that game is not getting underway 514 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 3: on time, series tied at a game apiece, and the 515 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 3: Yankees trying to extend their season. Game three American League 516 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 3: Division Series eight o'clock tonight Toronto leads to Zip, obviously 517 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 3: trying to close out the series Tonight. One programming note, 518 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 3: the Scott Saderfield Radio Show is at eight o'clock from 519 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 3: the original Montgomery in on seven hundred w wel WD. 520 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 3: The Bearcats looking for a win at home against UCF 521 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 3: on Saturday. The Jake Browning thing from twenty twenty three 522 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 3: to twenty twenty five, it's entirely different watching him like 523 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 3: he played at a competent level. What is the number 524 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 3: one reason why it didn't work this time? 525 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 5: It's a great question, and I don't know that Jake 526 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 5: has that answer for you right now. You know, I 527 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 5: think he lost confidence and got in his own head 528 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 5: over the course of these games. I mean you could 529 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 5: hear him in his own head after these games. Okay, 530 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 5: this week I really focused on on knowing when to 531 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 5: check it down and throw it away and not make 532 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 5: the dumb play down the field, and it felt like 533 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 5: he was so then he was hindering himself. And then 534 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 5: he realized he was doing that, and then he wanted 535 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 5: to give his guys a chance down the field, So 536 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 5: I've gotta find my opportunity to do that. And then 537 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 5: so he's thinking about that. It just felt like, rather 538 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 5: than going out there and playing football and playing free 539 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 5: and knowing being comfortable in who he was and the 540 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 5: confidence he had and what he was, he was doubting himself, 541 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 5: doubting what he was seeing, thinking too much about what 542 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 5: he's supposed to be doing rather than just doing it. 543 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 5: And I think that's a nature of the circumstance he 544 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 5: was thrown into. Look, he didn't have time to think 545 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 5: about anything against Jacksonville, right, he had to go out 546 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 5: there and be thrown into the moment and go play 547 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 5: football like you know how to play football. And he 548 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 5: played like twenty twenty three Jake Browning, and you're like 549 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 5: when he leads that drive at the end, you're like, 550 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 5: you know what I felt? 551 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 4: Okay? 552 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 5: You feel okay? Yeah? And then I think the whether 553 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 5: it's him thinking about ways he needs to play after 554 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 5: that or whatever happened there, the entire debacle in Minnesota 555 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 5: getting in his head, whether it was thinking about too 556 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 5: much and what was put into his head whatever happened there, 557 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 5: it just killed his confidence and his freedom, it felt 558 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 5: like as a player, and he looked like that. He 559 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 5: looked like he wasn't playing quarterback. He was thinking about 560 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 5: playing quarterback. They had a run game with him two 561 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 5: years ago. Yeah, that didn't help. I mean that's like 562 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 5: when I think. 563 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 3: Of two years ago, I think of how often we 564 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 3: talked about meshing the way they're playing with Jake with 565 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 3: what Joe does well. 566 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 4: And that started with their ability to run the ball 567 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 4: and throw screen passage. 568 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 5: Yes, he mentioned it multiple times when we talked about 569 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 5: twenty twenty three. He'd say, yeah, you know, it was great. 570 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 5: I feel like I could get in a rhythm. I 571 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 5: got runs, I got screens going. That was that whole thing. 572 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 5: I I just I get tired of hearing myself say it. 573 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 5: I don't understand the reluctance to go under center, run, 574 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 5: play action, throw screens. Do more of that stuff that 575 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 5: we have seen literally every opponent they've played the last 576 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 5: three weeks. Do add nauseum to avoid true passets, to 577 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 5: avoid being able to pinpoint exactly what they're doing and 578 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 5: not just sit back there and do more of what 579 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 5: Jake this. You know, we every time we've seen them 580 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 5: actually do it, which has been few and far between. 581 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 5: Guys are open, Jake's not being harassed. He's trying to 582 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 5: make throws naturally on the run, and there's things there 583 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 5: and it just never happens. That is the one that 584 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 5: the one piece. There's a bunch of them, but the 585 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 5: one at the top of my I just don't understand 586 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 5: why that was not a part of the last three 587 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 5: weeks to a much higher degree than it has been used. 588 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 5: I mean, he's hardly at all and that maybe could 589 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 5: have helped. That's probably some of the stuff that Jake's 590 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 5: referring to, but unfortunately they move on. 591 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 3: If I take the Bengals roster and I remove the 592 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 3: rookies and put them over here, Shamar Stewart, who may 593 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 3: play soon, I don't know, Demitrius Knight, Dylan Fairchild, Barrett Carter, 594 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 3: those guys TOAs Brooks, Jalen Rivers. If I put those 595 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 3: guys over here and I look at the rest of 596 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 3: the roster, I can't find five guys I'm excited about 597 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 3: being on the team next year. 598 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 4: Is that unfair? 599 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 5: No, it's not unfair. I don't think that you you 600 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 5: haven't seen you hope with so many of these guys, 601 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 5: you hope that you see the immediate leap like you 602 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 5: just it. Look, you had a whole off season to 603 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 5: be told you're a part of the plan, needs you 604 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 5: to grow, need you to evolve. We're getting after it 605 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 5: in camp and preseason, and and so you're ready to go. 606 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 5: We want to we want to see that step taken, 607 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 5: and it has There has been very little of that, 608 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 5: you know what I mean? And and you know that 609 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 5: you could name them on one hand, right, Dax Hill 610 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 5: or is probably one. Mims maybe, Yeah, but that's been 611 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 5: up and down. Yeah, the guys that are already signed. 612 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 5: I assume you're talking about the younger guys, non rookie. 613 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 3: Borrow, Chase Seconds Cool, yeah, beyond that, yeah, a Marius Mems. 614 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 5: I still believe Dax Hill Okay, I don't know. I'm 615 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 5: trying so well. Yes, brown maybe, but again that has 616 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 5: been bad. It hasn't gone well. 617 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 3: So Okay, Sunday everybody weals away at Jake Browning it 618 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 3: is they just replaced him with Joe Flacker. But I 619 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 3: guess what's happened over the last couple of weeks for 620 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 3: a lot of his has it's been exposed how shaky 621 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 3: the roster is. It was a shaky roster last year. 622 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 3: They had a quarterback who was unbelievable. They won nine games. 623 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 3: So you take away the foundational piece, everything collapses. And 624 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 3: when it collapses, I sort through the roster and I 625 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 3: just it's not a good roster. 626 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 5: It just so. 627 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 3: Okay, quarterback play is a problem, but quarterback play wasn't 628 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 3: a problem last year, and your team couldn't get to 629 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 3: the postseason. Why with the minimal amount of work they 630 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 3: did the roster this past offseason, why should I feel 631 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 3: surprised that remove the quarterbacks from the equation. Even if 632 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 3: Jake was slightly better, This team's just all over the place, 633 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 3: not good enough. 634 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 5: You shouldn't be surprised. This was the bet that they made. 635 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 5: They made the bet because most of this is about defense. 636 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 5: Yeah right, I mean we know what bet they made. 637 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 5: They they scapegoat to lou Anarumo and said, a new 638 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 5: voice will make these young players better. 639 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 3: And even like the scenario on Sunday, which we outlined 640 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 3: before the season started, Okay, all you gotta be is 641 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 3: league average cool ten minutes to go down by eleven, 642 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 3: you've played yourself kind of back into it. Can you 643 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 3: get your offense the ball and instead eight plays without 644 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: a third down right down the field. 645 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, the moment that they needed, the moment. 646 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 3: Where you're like, all right, al with last year's guys, 647 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 3: can you do it? Last year's team couldn't and get 648 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 3: a fourth quarter stop and at least give the ball 649 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 3: back to Jake Brown and give your team a shot. 650 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 5: I understand that. I will say they have made more stops. 651 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like the fact that they were 652 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 5: able to keep some of these games close, that the 653 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 5: offense was paying them behind the eight ball over and 654 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 5: over again in some of these in some of these 655 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 5: first hats, Yeah, you go. Fourteen to three was a 656 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 5: minor miracle on Sunday, And a lot of that was because, hey, 657 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 5: the defense was stiffening up. They were getting some stops 658 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 5: against Detroit after that first drive, and seemed to make 659 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 5: a few plays. Again, We're not the bar is so 660 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 5: low that we're not talking about looking great and making 661 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 5: plays and going and winning you a game. But they 662 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 5: were doing enough that if the offense had some level 663 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 5: of competency that should have been they should have been 664 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 5: right there, neck and neck to the end. 665 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 3: So the roster's not good. When the roster's not good, 666 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 3: you need to rebuild. How long is a rebuild take? 667 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 3: And is Joe Burrow gonna be excited about being there 668 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 3: for a rebuild when you can't rebuild it the way 669 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 3: you did in twenty twenty by just throwing a whole 670 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 3: bunch of money at a bunch of guys in free agency. 671 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 5: I'm sure he's not. I'm sure he's but I mean, 672 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 5: you know. 673 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 3: Tell my my my outlook isn't overly optimistic at this point. 674 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,479 Speaker 5: I don't disagree with you. I mean, we just spent 675 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 5: the whole beginning part talking about how it's so desperate 676 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 5: that you're just reaching for the Joe Flaccos jelly donuts. 677 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 5: So I mean, I'm saying I understand that that's the case. 678 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 5: No one would be excited about that, But it's it's 679 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 5: the NFL, Like it's at a certain point, you're always 680 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 5: figuring it's just a matter of how much of it's 681 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 5: gonna change year to year. If that's part of it, 682 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 5: that's they have to that's a whole other off season 683 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 5: of questions mm hm that they're gonna have to figure out. 684 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 5: And who's leading such the said, rebuild is probably you know, 685 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 5: the first one that they'll have to come to terms 686 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 5: with once they get through whatever this season looks like, 687 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 5: which it feels like it's kind of hitting a small 688 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,240 Speaker 5: reset button right now. 689 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 3: I guess, and a good reset button. Yeah, like what 690 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,959 Speaker 3: they've done today, let's go, let's see if it can work. 691 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 3: But boy, that right again, like the roster. For me, 692 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 3: what's what's so frustrating is many of us spent all 693 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 3: offseason going, are we sure, like we're really doing this. 694 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 4: We're really doing this with the deep Joe, we did 695 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 4: that segment. 696 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 3: We're really doing this, really doing this on the offensive line, 697 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 3: really doing this with the defense, really doing this? And 698 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 3: they are and and and again, like maybe league average 699 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 3: quarterback play hasn't been a better place than they have been. 700 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 3: But boy, just feels like what they didn't do to 701 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 3: the team this offseason has has badly exposed what the 702 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 3: front office didn't drafting. 703 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 5: Signing, everything that we talked about with these young players, 704 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 5: like this was gonna define the Borough era, right this, 705 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 5: this portion of it, this prime the Burrow Chase Higgins portion. 706 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 5: You just have they have to draft, well, they had 707 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,720 Speaker 5: to hit on draft picks. They bet on those draft 708 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 5: picks at every single turn. When those draft picks fail you, 709 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 5: it is a deep It is is a steep, steep 710 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,959 Speaker 5: climb out, and that's why it was such a big bet, 711 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 5: and that's why it was the biggest part coming into 712 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 5: this season that we kept talking about. It's like, this 713 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 5: is gonna this is it. We can talk about all 714 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 5: the little the addition here and the big money spent 715 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 5: and Trey Hendrickson's fight. These young players are gonna define 716 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 5: what happens next and how realistic it is that this 717 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,919 Speaker 5: team in this current way can win anything. And thus 718 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 5: far they haven't been good enough. And maybe that's maybe 719 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 5: it's okay. A full season with Al Golden to work 720 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 5: through it and you start seeing less of the problems 721 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 5: and more and more leaning into the better parts and 722 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 5: getting more of people is where they're at in the 723 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 5: conversation right now, and hope that they're seeing some signs 724 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 5: of it. But yeah, it hasn't been where it needs 725 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 5: to be to this point. 726 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 3: I am a loyal reader of the Athletic. Thank you, 727 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 3: read your work, see what you guys do locally. I 728 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 3: also enjoyed the work of Mike Jones, who today has 729 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 3: written about what is my current favorite topic, which is 730 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 3: a brief recent history of players, including Jordan Battle, who 731 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 3: have decided to let the ball go before they cross 732 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 3: the ball line. Yeah, and I am of the belief 733 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 3: that there should be an added punishment if you do this, 734 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 3: beyond lose possession touch back for the other team. 735 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 4: Are you with me on this? 736 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 5: Yeah? The other team gets seven points, yeah if they 737 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 5: get the touch. 738 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 3: If you are deemed to have intentionally dropped the ball 739 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,280 Speaker 3: before you cross the goal line, the other team should 740 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 3: get fourteen points, not. 741 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 5: Even automatic out. Just the game ends right there. I mean, 742 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 5: you lose your team, Your team loses. Yeah, how do you. 743 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 4: Feel about this? 744 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 5: Maybe a little strong? No, maybe maybe a little strong. 745 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,240 Speaker 5: How about if that ever happens. Jonathan Gannon gets flown 746 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 5: to your house and gets to verbally assault you the. 747 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 3: Way I apologized yesterday, And I'm like, buddy, you have 748 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 3: no reason to. 749 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 5: Apologize, really, you're come on. He did he didn't make. 750 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 4: Contact with him. He did, and it was like, I mean, 751 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,919 Speaker 4: the contact was what do I mean? 752 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,240 Speaker 5: I look, I don't know, that's not my He shouldn't 753 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,839 Speaker 5: make contact with him. The dude was literally getting they're 754 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 5: getting consoled like it was the way he was being consoled, 755 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 5: and I know it's professional. Yeah, okay, tough enough, but 756 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 5: they'll like it was like a running attack in his 757 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 5: face with a push and scright in his face. 758 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 3: John or guy was in tears. Jonathan Gannon was every 759 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 3: Cardinals fan. Yeah, I get it, Okay, so okay, so 760 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 3: he shouldn't yell at his player. I believe that there 761 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 3: should be something that happens to your team and you 762 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 3: if you do that, game check gets taken away fourteen 763 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 3: points on the scoreboard, forced to book his. 764 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 4: Own travel if they're on the road, like whatever it is. 765 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, you fly commercial the next week. Yes, I like that. 766 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 3: I read that today over lunch and I'm like, they're 767 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 3: they're mean to be with the next competition meetings, the committee, 768 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 3: the owners, however that works, get together and go here's 769 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 3: how we're gonna nip this in the bud. Harsh penalties 770 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 3: if you decide on purpose to drop the ball before 771 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 3: you cross the goal line. 772 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 5: Okay, that's fair. I like. I like either, maybe you 773 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 5: actually have to drive to wherever the next game is that. Yeah, 774 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 5: just you have to drive yourself alone and think about 775 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 5: what you've done. That's that's that's what you did. You 776 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 5: know that we have a caravan going to uh Green 777 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,839 Speaker 5: Bay because the flights are just like it's it's. 778 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 4: A little hard to get there. 779 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 5: It's hard to get there, there's no directs, it's expensive, 780 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 5: and so we've all we've got a crew of us. 781 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 5: Really skinny, wow, James, Jay, we've got a crew of us. 782 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 5: What kind of car you guys got A got a 783 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 5: three row guy? Okay, three row s u V. All right, 784 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,399 Speaker 5: we're driving it. We're doing the full round, but eight 785 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 5: hours to green Back seven and a half, seven and 786 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 5: a half and then Jay will be driving, so we'll 787 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,280 Speaker 5: probably get it on a six That sounds that sounds 788 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 5: like will you guys have microphones, cameras, bring the podcast equipment. 789 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 5: We were talking about how long we should go live, 790 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 5: not if we should go live. On the way there 791 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 5: and back. I think back will be a little bit. 792 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 4: I don't I don't care about the way back. 793 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 5: The way there will be okay, Well, the way back 794 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 5: could be stopping in Milwaukee. We're stopping. We're staying in Milwaukee, 795 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 5: so it's not that bad on the way up. On 796 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 5: the way up, that'd be pretty good. Yeah, yeah, It's 797 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:23,959 Speaker 5: gonna be great. 798 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 4: Milwaukee's a good town. 799 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 5: Milwaukee's a great time. Thank you for you want to 800 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 5: go within us. Kind of good. We have what's on 801 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 5: you guys leaving Saturday morning, bright and early. Let's go. 802 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 3: Bear Cats play at noon, So I probably should go 803 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 3: to that, Okay, but uh, you know, maybe I'll fly 804 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 3: up and ride back with you. 805 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 5: Yes, let's do it. 806 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 4: Come on down, Paul Danner Jr. 807 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 3: And the Caravan, the Athletic dot Com, the Growlar Podcast. 808 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 5: Thank you as always read all your Joe Flacco coverage. 809 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 4: Lots of it, lots of it in two cities. That's 810 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 4: what's great about it. 811 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 5: Zach Jackson and I about to do a pot here 812 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,439 Speaker 5: about fifteen minutes. Very good. 813 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,320 Speaker 3: It's six away from four o'clock. We're at Oakley Greens. 814 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 3: Follow Paul on Twitter. By the way, I Paul Danner Junior. 815 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 3: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.