1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:05,559 Speaker 1: Ike sincey three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati, sponsored in 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: part by Skyline Chili. Stop by Skyline Chili for a 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: three way or cheese cony today. Feeling good, It's Skyline time. 4 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 2: Hi, Hello and welcome in two Tony Pikes since e 6 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: three sixty here on ESPN fifteen thirty. I am not 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: Tony Pike. My name is Austin Elmore. The big fella 8 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: is out today. He's feeling a little bit under the weather, 9 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 2: and I don't blame him. You know, the voice. He 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 2: was struggling to finish things up after doing six hours 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 2: of radio yesterday. He of course called the UC game 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: with Dan Hord out in the cold over the weekend, 13 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: had the Holy Grail on Sunday morning for pregame sports talk. 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: So his voice definitely needs a rest. And we'd like 15 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: to make fun of Tony and call him part time Pike. 16 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: But I've had this, Moe has had this. It's kind 17 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: of gone around between the three of us here at 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: the radio station and Tony feeling a little under the 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: weather today. So hopefully everything goes well for him today 20 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: and he's able to come back tomorrow. Tomorrow will be 21 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: our last show of the week. We'll have a carefully 22 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: curated edition of Sincy three to sixty that will air 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving Day and we'll try to keep that as 24 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: topical as possible ahead of Bengals Ravens MO. We'll have 25 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: pregame sports talk ahead of Bengals Ravens on Thanksgiving. Looking 26 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: forward to that, and Tony and myself are off on Friday. 27 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: Back to the regularly scheduled programming on Monday, typical Tuesday show. Today, 28 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: we'll talk to joe Daniman at one pm from Fox nineteen. 29 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 2: He of course covering the Bengals. He was at Saint 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: x Elder over the weekend. I want to ask him 31 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: a little bit about that environment and so much more. 32 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: Always looking forward to our conversations with Joey D. Mo 33 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: Egger will join us hopefully at the end of the show. 34 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: Into the show is going to be a little bit 35 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: funky today. Why because Joe Burrow is going to speak 36 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: with the media now. Earlier this week it was sent 37 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 2: out the media schedule and who's supposed to talk and 38 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 2: win and the other day it said Bengals QB at 39 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: two forty five on Tuesday, and then yesterday that was 40 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: updated to Bengals QB Joe Burrow at two forty five 41 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: on Tuesday. So Joe is going to talk at two 42 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 2: forty five. Jamar Chase, who is back in the building, 43 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: is going to talk at three o'clock. MO and I 44 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 2: have discussed we're going to air both those press conferences. 45 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: Obviously Jamar coming off of his suspension, and Joe and 46 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: Jamar in their history in Baltimore, especially on Thursday night 47 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: games and big games, and this, if you look at 48 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: it through the perspective of the entirety of the season, 49 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: is a relatively big game and obviously means a lot 50 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: to Joe Burrow since he is going to be coming 51 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: back in and almost certainly starting this game on Thursday night. 52 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: Phone lines are open five one, three, seven, four nine, 53 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. You can also tweet it me at Audi Elmore. 54 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 2: That's a U T Y E L M O R. 55 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: In addition to hearing from Joe Burrow and Joe Danoman 56 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 2: and perhaps even Moegger, we'll do our college basketball rewind. 57 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: We'll talk or we won't talk, but we'll hear from 58 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: what Richard Patino had to say. Their big win over 59 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: the weekend. We had to go all football yesterday. Didn't 60 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: get a chance to talk about that. Wes Miller in 61 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: his opening statement after Cincinnati got a ninety four sixty 62 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: seven win over n JI T last night at Fifth 63 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: Third Arena, and Darren Hornon, the head coach of the 64 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: NKU Norse NKU was trailing e KU by two at 65 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: halftime last night, but they came back to win eighty 66 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: two seventy one. You'll hear from him as well. And 67 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: I have a few snippets from Zach Taylor's Prescot conference 68 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: yesterday talking about Joe Burrow, talking about his decision on 69 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: fourth and one, and also talking about Trey Hendrickson. And 70 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: we'll get into a little bit of Trey Hendrickson because 71 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 2: I just think that that situation is once again going 72 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 2: to be one of the biggest roadblocks, one of the 73 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 2: biggest obstacles, one of the biggest and most important pieces 74 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,559 Speaker 2: of the Bengals offseason. I am exhausted by the thought 75 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 2: of that that once again Trey Hendrickson and dealing with 76 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 2: him is going to be a huge part of the 77 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 2: off season. But I do think it is, and I 78 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: think the actions that are being taken now by either 79 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: the Bengals or Trey hendrickson, whichever side you want to 80 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 2: look at. Are We're going to be revisiting those as 81 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: the off season goes along. So let's start with the 82 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: story of the week. The story of the season really 83 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 2: has been the absence of Joe Burrow and now what 84 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: appears to be his return. I have no reason to 85 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: believe he's not going to return. Based off of what 86 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: Zach said yesterday, based off of Joe's post on his 87 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: Instagram story yesterday, all indications are that Joe Burrow is 88 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 2: going to start on Thursday night in Baltimore, and Bengals 89 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 2: fans appear split on this. I've seen a myriad of 90 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: poll questions asking fans do you want him to start? 91 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 3: Yes or no? 92 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 2: I think even here at the radio station, we're split 93 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: in our opinions. I know Moe has said he would 94 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: tell Joe Burrow see you next year. I know Tony 95 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: and myself have said he's the best player, he's healthy, 96 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: there's six games to go, why not play the man. 97 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: I've seen differing opinions all over the place, and I 98 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: truthfully want to hear from you, and I want to 99 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: hear your reasons why or why not that you want 100 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow to play or not play this season, And 101 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: I think I think it kind of comes down to, 102 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: like what do you value more? And I do think 103 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 2: by the way that the Trey Henderson thing kind of 104 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 2: plays a role in this that we can maybe get 105 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 2: into the weeds on a little bit later on. But 106 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: do you value having a high draft pick? Do you 107 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 2: value the I guess that do you value the draft 108 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: pick and the losing that comes with that more than 109 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: you value trying to win as many games as possible 110 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: and seeing what this team is supposed to look like 111 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 2: with its star quarterback. So obviously T Higgins is not 112 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 2: going to be out there, and T may not play 113 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: the rest of the season. You just never know what 114 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: the concussion like that, and it's that's one of those 115 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 2: situations where if T has got a concussion and it 116 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 2: was that serious, then maybe there's no reason for him 117 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: to play the rest of the considering his injury history, 118 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: or maybe it's you know, you do want to get 119 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: him back out there when he's fully healthy because you 120 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: want to see what everything is supposed to look like altogether. 121 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: The offense for the most part has been relatively healthy. 122 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: Mike Gasiki is back. I think most people are thrilled 123 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: with the development of the offensive line, especially in the 124 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: run game, and you want to see offensively what it's 125 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: supposed to look like when Burrow is healthy, and we're 126 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: going to see that for the most part Thursday night. 127 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 2: Now Higgins isn't going to be out there. But you 128 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: have additional opportunities to evaluate Mitchell Tinsley, to evaluate andre 129 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: yoshivash To, perhaps if you're interested, evaluate Jermaine Burton, maybe 130 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: even if you want to keep Noah Fan around next 131 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: year or pursue him. You are going to have to 132 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: address the left tackle spot, I think eventually, the backup 133 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: tight end spot. Obviously the running backs and the depth 134 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: there Toaz Brooks is not going to play. There is 135 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: this weird mix of you want to win because you 136 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 2: are alive and because you have a standard that you 137 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: want to uphold, but also you know that you have 138 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: to evaluate what you have so that you have a 139 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: clear path forward and a plan on how to fix 140 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: it in the offseason. And the question I would have 141 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: is isn't it possible to do both? Can't you do both? 142 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: Can't you see what this team looks like with Joe 143 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 2: Burrow and what it's supposed to look like, and also 144 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: say these are the things we need to fix. And 145 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: if you don't know by now through the first fifteen games, 146 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: or through the first twelve games, if you don't know 147 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 2: what the problems are and what needs to be fixed 148 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 2: with or without Joe Burrow, then where have you been. 149 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: I don't know that anything over the last six games 150 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: is going to change your opinion or your evaluation of 151 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 2: what you have seen up until this point, nor should it. 152 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: I had the conversation yesterday. 153 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 2: You cannot allow a couple of wins or a couple 154 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: of nice plays to be the reasoning for inaction in 155 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 2: the offseason. I think it has been embarrassing enough and 156 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 2: enlightening enough watching through these first few games, first twelve games, 157 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: what is their record? 158 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 3: Three and eight? 159 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 2: First eleven games? You know what the issues are and 160 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: what needs to be addressed. I don't think the last 161 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 2: five games, six games are going to change any of that, 162 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: so you might as well get a full look at 163 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: your team. I think your answer your questions have been 164 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: answered in the backup quarterback position. I think you know 165 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 2: what's gonna happen there. I think your questions have been 166 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 2: answered about the safety position, and I would love to 167 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: see some more Dejon Anthony. You can put your best 168 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 2: players on the field and try to win, and also 169 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: be in evaluation mode and take the knowledge that you've 170 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: learned up until this point so you know what it 171 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 2: looks like without the ultimate equalizer in Joe Burrow, and 172 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 2: still use that information to guide your decision making in 173 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: the offseason. The other reason I think it's important for 174 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 2: Burrow to be there is because I think he raises 175 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 2: the standard of everybody in the organization. I think he 176 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: raises the standard of the offensive line, of the run game, 177 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 2: of the receivers, of special teams, of the coaches, of 178 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: the ownership group, of everybody. I think he is the standard. 179 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 2: And this mentality, this desire to push and to come 180 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: back and to try to win and to put the 181 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: team on his shoulders, and this burning, undying passion for 182 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: winning and greatness, is the rising tide that lifts all 183 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 2: boats for this organization. Let us not forget. He is 184 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 2: the face of the franchise. He is the reason you 185 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: tune in. He is the jersey that you buy. His 186 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: face is everywhere all over this city, and for good reason. 187 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: When healthy, I think he's the best, if not the 188 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: second or third best quarterback in this league. And yes, 189 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 2: injuries have been a part of his story, but he 190 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 2: is the rising tide that lifts all boats in this organization. 191 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: He is the future. He is what you build around. 192 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 2: And I know that the coaches and the staff, they 193 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: don't look around thinking, all right, we're good now that 194 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: Joe's back, it doesn't matter what happens will be okay. No, 195 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: they're thinking, we need to win some damn games to 196 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: prove that this isn't all our fault, to prove that 197 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: maybe it is Duke Tobin and the bad players that 198 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 2: were put on the defense and not just the coaches. 199 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 2: They feel the heat, and they should feel the heat 200 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: because it's been embarrassing and they have something to prove 201 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: as well. And as much as I love and appreciate 202 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 2: Joe Flacco, and we'll get into that, you know, just 203 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: a little bit, there are still a difference between him 204 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: and Joe Burrow, especially in the way they play, but 205 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 2: I think also in the way that they lead, and 206 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,599 Speaker 2: I think the importance of that on the rest of 207 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 2: the football team is not something you can place a 208 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 2: direct value on. I think the more you see these 209 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 2: young players, these young guys get a chance to play 210 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 2: with Joe Burrow and know what things are like when 211 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 2: Joe is around, and what is expected and the standard 212 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 2: and how you approach every single game, at every single rep, 213 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: all of that, I think that's important. I think going 214 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: up against him every day in practice is important. I 215 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 2: think that can have a trickle down effect on making 216 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 2: these young players better and play a role in their development. 217 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 2: So I want Joe Burrow around, whether that's in the 218 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: film room, on the practice field, in the weight room, 219 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: in team meetings, on the sideline, or most importantly, on 220 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: the field. And the other reason is I simply do 221 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 2: not believe that you should live your life in fear 222 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: of getting hurt. Every player in the National Football League 223 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 2: takes a humongous risk every time they step on the field. 224 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 2: They know that they signed up for that. Few know 225 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 2: that better than Joe Burrow. It is a major, major risk. 226 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: We all know it. I don't think you should operate 227 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: with the under the assumption that you're going to get 228 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 2: hurt again, or out of fear that injury is going 229 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: to crop up again. I've outlined the injuries in the past. 230 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 2: Most of them are fluky, most of them are bad luck. 231 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 2: Most of them are not Joe Burrow's fault. Some of 232 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: them are the fault of the players in front of him, 233 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: but mostly not his fault. Yes, he's got the injury 234 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: prone label, and I understand why, but I don't know 235 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: that that label tells the entire story. And if you're 236 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 2: like me and you believe and you want this organization 237 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: to come up with a standard and uphold that standard 238 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 2: and be always an aggressive pursuit of a championship, you 239 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 2: need that guy standing in front leading everybody else in 240 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: that direction. And that's who Joe Burrow is. And you 241 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 2: cannot operate out of fear because if you do that 242 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 2: as a football team and as an organization, what does 243 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: that do to the rest of the team, What does 244 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: that do to the fans? That's just not a way 245 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 2: you should look at things. But it does come back 246 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: to the point, which is what's more valuable For an 247 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: organization that has proven it does not have the ability 248 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: to draft outside the top fifteen picks and has missed 249 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: on pick after pick after pick after pick in the 250 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 2: last several drafts, they need all the help they can get, 251 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: and lord knows, when they're picking one hundred and fifty 252 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 2: days from right now, when the NFL Draft is happening, 253 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: they're gonna need all the help they can get in 254 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 2: the further up in the draft order, the higher the 255 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: odds are that they're going to get a player that 256 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: comes in and has an immediate impact. I agree with 257 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: all that, and I think that that is a difficult 258 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: place to be to balance the desire for winning and 259 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: building on what you've built to this point, and also 260 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: understanding that the shortcomings of the organization need to be 261 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: addressed and they are not fully equipped to do that 262 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 2: because of the way they do business, and that in 263 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: and of itself, you almost want them to lose more 264 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: so that they can benefit by the system. But at 265 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: the same time, it will be used as an excuse, 266 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: it will be used as a way to criticize the 267 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: organization that the only way they get good players is 268 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: because they sucked bad enough to get those picks. I 269 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: don't want to be that type of person. I don't 270 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 2: want to be that type of fan. I firmly believe 271 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 2: that if you have your franchise quarterback and you have 272 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: your franchise wide receiver. Then you shouldn't be playing the 273 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 2: lottery game. You couldn't you shouldn't be playing the draft game. 274 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: You shouldn't be tanking for anything at any point. That's 275 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: my biggest issue. I don't believe in that. I want 276 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: to win all the time. Joe Burrow wants to win 277 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: all the time, So try to meet that standard as 278 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 2: best you can. By the way, there's been some positive 279 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: signs on defense, a very small sample size, not anything 280 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: that erases the shortcomings of the past, but there have 281 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 2: been some positive signs on defense. So there's still a 282 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 2: lot to learn about this team. Not that it should all, 283 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: you know, the final five games, not that that should 284 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 2: mean everything when you go into the offseason, but there's 285 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: still a lot to learn. There's still snaps that need 286 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 2: to be had by young players, there's still film that 287 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 2: needs to be watched. I don't know that you should 288 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: treat this as a season that's completely dead and completely 289 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 2: over and from there, the perspective of their chances in 290 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: the playoffs, I get it's probably not much there, but 291 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: that doesn't mean you can't still get something out of 292 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: this and get something out of winning. I think that's 293 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 2: still possible, and we can worry about the draft and 294 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 2: the prospects and those players later because a lot changes 295 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 2: between Thanksgiving and the end of April when the draft happens. 296 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: Take a break, we'll come back. This is Tony Pikes 297 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 2: since he three to sixty on the Home of the Bengals, 298 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. 299 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 3: Hey, it's ma legger. Join me this afternoon. 300 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: I'm doing the show from Oakley Greens in Oakley today 301 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 2: starting at three oh five on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati 302 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 2: Sports Station. 303 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: This is Football in the NATI, brought to you by 304 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: Hey during Window Company on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official 305 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: home of the Cincinnati Bengals. 306 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 2: Welcome back in Tony Pikes since e three sixty. I'm 307 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 2: Austin Holmore, the big fella out today. Hope he's feeling better. 308 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 2: We'll talk to Tony hopefully again tomorrow ahead of our 309 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving holiday. By the way, the plan for tomorrow is 310 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 2: to kind of do our Friday show on Wednesday, So 311 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 2: I think we're gonna do picks for the weekend. Great 312 00:18:55,359 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving Day, Slate, Black Friday, the Black Friday Game is great. 313 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 2: I think there's good college football on Black Friday as well, 314 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 2: and Charlie Goldsmith from Baltimore. It's gonna join us tomorrow 315 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 2: as well. Looking forward to that. Joe Daniman coming up 316 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 2: about half an hour from right now. But this is 317 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 2: football in the Natty. We're gonna get to John and 318 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 2: Steve and Tim in just a second. Let me first 319 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 2: give you an update on the injury reports for both 320 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: the Bengals and the Ravens ahead of Thanksgiving night. Now, 321 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 2: neither team practice yesterday. These were estimations of practice participation 322 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: should either of them have practice. Now, the Bengals will 323 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 2: practice this evening. They have a night practice tonight. I 324 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 2: don't expect it to be very much, very light as 325 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: they continue to recover from the Patriots game. But had 326 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: they practiced yesterday, this would have been the report. Dejon 327 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 2: Anthony still on that twenty one day practice window, he 328 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 2: was listed as a full participant. Joe Burrow with the 329 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: toe injury listed as a full part anticipant. Flacco with 330 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: the right shoulder and with that finger that he injured 331 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 2: against the Patriots would have been listed as limited. Hendrickson 332 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 2: and Higgins both DNP samaj p Ryan would be listed 333 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: as full. Sounds like p Ryan is going to be 334 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 2: able to go on Thursday against the Ravens. Cam Sample 335 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 2: dealing with the oblique injury would be listed as limited, 336 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: and Marco Wilson a DNP due to that hamstring you 337 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 2: may have seen he got hurt in that game against 338 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 2: the Patriots. As for the Ravens, a bunch of dnps 339 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 2: and two limiteds. The most notable dnps were safety Kyle 340 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: Hamilton dealing with an ankle injury and quarterback Lamar Jackson 341 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 2: dealing with a toe injury. Now Lamar has not practiced, 342 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 2: He's kind of been on the same schedule as Joe 343 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: Flacco where he hasn't been practicing on Wednesdays, but he 344 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 2: has been on Thursdays. So we'll see what it updates 345 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: to today when the Ravens practice. But Lamar Jackson was 346 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 2: technically a DNP. How about defensive tackle Tavan Bryan, remember him, 347 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 2: He was a DNP with a knee injury. And wide 348 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 2: receiver Rashod Bakeman Rashad Bateman, he said limited with an ankle. 349 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 2: That is the injury report ahead of Bengals Ravens practice 350 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: later today. We'll give you updates tomorrow as well. In 351 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 2: the meantime, let's go to the phones five one, three, seven, four, nine, 352 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. If you want to call in and be 353 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 2: a part of the show, let's go to Steve in Montgomery. Hello, Steve, 354 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 2: what's up? 355 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 4: Hey, Austin, how are you doing, buddy? 356 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 3: I'm all right, man, Just my. 357 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 4: Different perspective on the Joe Burrow should play or not, 358 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 4: And I'm operating under the same assumption that they are 359 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 4: not going to get new coaches. Whether I want that 360 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 4: or not, That's just what I'm operating under. People don't 361 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 4: understand that Joe Burrow played six meaningful quarters of football 362 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 4: so far this year. 363 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 3: True, he didn't play again the. 364 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 4: Rest of this season, he will have gone two years 365 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 4: with a total of six quarters of meaningful football. People 366 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 4: don't understand what that means. Timing is just everything his 367 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 4: being defenses. He probably is scared to death of the 368 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 4: thought of playing six quorders of football over the course 369 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 4: of two years. I don't care what he looks like 370 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 4: when he comes back. I just hope he's rolling by 371 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 4: the end of the year. That, like you said, this 372 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 4: season's bagged anyways. But if I can touch one other 373 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 4: quick thing, sure, the defense I wanted to scream. In 374 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 4: the Steelers game, you let Captain check Down throw the 375 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 4: ball two yards and get fifteen yard completions. 376 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 2: Out of it. 377 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 4: The entire game, you're screaming, get up, pressed, pressed, Why 378 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 4: are you playing off coverage? He's just gonna dink and dunk. 379 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. 380 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 4: And then you play the Patriots and you play totally 381 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 4: different defense. Why why did they wait till they're eliminated. 382 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 4: It's almost like it's on purpose, and it drives me 383 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 4: freaking crazy. 384 00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear you. 385 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: I mean the things that I saw from Al Golden, 386 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 2: especially at the line of scrimmage, I thought, where has 387 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 2: this been all year? Especially when it comes to blitzing 388 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 2: and using guys like Geno Stone in blitz coverage and 389 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 2: Jalen Davis. I'm just like, how are you? Why has 390 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 2: this not been happening more often? And Steve, thank you 391 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 2: for the phone call. I have a few thoughts on that. Defensively, 392 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,959 Speaker 2: I don't know if it was something they figured out 393 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 2: during the bye week, and I don't know if they're 394 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: just terrified of DK Metcalf being a deep threat. I 395 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 2: don't think that there's anybody on that Patriot team that 396 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: you think is a deep deep threat Stefan Diggs isn't 397 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 2: Matt Collins isn't. Like that's just not who they are, 398 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 2: And maybe they're trying to confuse Drake May a little bit. 399 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 2: But I agree with you, it was way too much 400 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 2: off coverage and allowing space for the Steelers to operate 401 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: in that offense to operate. Now, Pittsburgh doesn't usually work 402 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: the middle of the field, and it felt like the Bengals, 403 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: you know, didn't do a good enough job of kind 404 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: of daring them into the middle of the field. But 405 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 2: you know, that game's neither here nor there. At this point, 406 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 2: you started to see trends at least in the right direction. 407 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,239 Speaker 2: When it comes to tackling. They were I believe the 408 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: lowest tackle miss tackle rate they've had in any game 409 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 2: happened this week against the Patriots. Barrett Carter missed zero tackles. 410 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: That is, in and of itself worthy of a banner. 411 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 2: Your point about Burrow, I agree with you, and I 412 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 2: do think that's something that's been overlooked a little bit, 413 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 2: is the idea that the guy just hasn't played that 414 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 2: much football. 415 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: And if you it's important for. 416 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 2: Anyone to do what they do a lot and consistently 417 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 2: in the reps, and Joe's talked often about the reps. Now, Listen, 418 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 2: he could come out Thursday, he might be a little rusty. 419 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 2: We've seen him in the past in the first couple 420 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 2: games of his season. He doesn't look like the same guy. 421 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 2: He looks rusty, and he's often talked about how he 422 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 2: needs the reps. Now, maybe the idea that you start 423 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 2: with the Baltimore Raven essentially on Thanksgiving night in prime time, 424 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 2: that's enough to, you know, kind of unlock that Joe 425 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 2: Burrow that we've seen in the past. But you're right, 426 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,719 Speaker 2: reps are important. I also don't think we should overreact 427 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: if the guy comes out and doesn't perform at the 428 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 2: level that maybe we saw him early on or at 429 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 2: least early in that Jacksonville game and all of last 430 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: year as well. Like it's it's not just hey, here's 431 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. He's gonna come in and throw for four 432 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty yards and six touchdown. It's not gonna happen. 433 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 2: So I do think, you know, giving him a little 434 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 2: bit of grace is going to be important as far 435 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 2: as that's concerned. 436 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 3: As well. Let's go to Tim in Dell High. What's up? Tim? 437 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 6: Hey? First of all, I was just wanting to say, hey, 438 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 6: you know, if you took the bet, you were wanting 439 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 6: free Sunday. What does San asked all bet? 440 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 3: Oh? 441 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, anyway, listen, Uh, I don't I don't care. 442 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 6: I mean the I understand why Jee wants to play, 443 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 6: because he needs the raps and he wants to play. 444 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 6: He's competitor. I just this season is done. I mean, 445 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 6: I want to see changes because I'm fraid they went out. 446 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 6: We're just gonna get false houts again and they won't 447 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 6: make no changes. 448 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 3: That's that's what your fear is. Yeah, I want. 449 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 6: Well, you know the last team seasons, well, we finished 450 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 6: strong as I was. Jae was healthy, but was Zach Taylor. 451 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 6: He he has to go. We got to make changes. 452 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 6: I had test play call. 453 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, Tim, are you all right? 454 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 4: Good? 455 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 3: Just just checking? Thank you for the phone call. 456 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I like the previous caller, said Steven 457 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 2: Montgomery said. I operate under the assumption that they're not 458 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: going to move on from Zach Taylor. I just don't 459 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: think that's going to happen unless the next six games 460 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 2: they get it destroyed and embarrassed. And it feels like 461 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 2: any progress they made the last two weeks goes back 462 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 2: in the opposite direction. I don't think some of the 463 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: decisions that Zach and his coaching staff have made this 464 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 2: year would have been made if they didn't think they 465 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: were safe. That's just the way I feel about that, 466 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 2: and so I also expect Mike Brown to be patient. 467 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,959 Speaker 3: I expect the ownership group to be patient. 468 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 2: I think they believe in Zach Taylor right, wrong or indifferent, 469 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 2: that's my guess onto how they view this situation. And 470 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 2: so if you operate under the assumption that the coaching 471 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 2: staff will not be adjusted, I think that is part 472 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 2: of this whole thing as well. How do they improve, 473 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 2: how do they get more out of the out of 474 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 2: their players, and how can they prove that they should 475 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 2: stick around or that there shouldn't be changes, or can 476 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 2: they develop? And that whole side of things I think 477 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 2: is really important. But I'm not operating under the assumption 478 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 2: that there's going to be wholesale changes. I would love 479 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: nothing more than for the Bengals to part ways with 480 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 2: Duke Tobin and to bring someone in from the outside 481 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 2: who might have a little bit more experience with the 482 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 2: intricacies of the salary cap and evaluation and scouting and 483 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 2: can kind of put together a system that can maybe 484 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 2: work considering the circumstances within the Bengals. I would love 485 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 2: for that to happen, but I don't expect it to happen. 486 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 2: I would love for them to hire Sean McVeagh. That's 487 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 2: not going to happen. So just operating with what I 488 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 2: think is the most likely scenario is the only thing 489 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 2: I really have to go off of. Let's go to Boston. 490 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 2: Let's talk to John. Hello, John Austin, how are you. 491 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 2: I'm hanging in there, man, how are you. 492 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 5: We're doing okay, just getting ready for Thanksgiving. I wish 493 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 5: you and yours a happy Thanksgiving obviously, thank you absolutely. 494 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 5: First of all, when I think Steve two calls before 495 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 5: nailed it as far as the reps and playing, et cetera. 496 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 5: Because Joe's only played six quarters this season and he 497 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 5: doesn't play the rest of the year, he would have 498 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 5: played six quarters from the end of the twenty twenty 499 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 5: four seasons to the start of the twenty twenty six season. 500 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 5: That does no one any good. I mean, he talked 501 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 5: about it when he was at Ohio State when he 502 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 5: was at LSU with the Bengals reps, reps, reps. He 503 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 5: wants to get better every day. That's how you get 504 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 5: better in all of our jobs we do. The more 505 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 5: you host your show, the better you get. Just a 506 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 5: lot more reps make it a lot better. So that 507 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 5: is one component why I want to see him play. 508 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 5: The other thing is that you touched on the injuries. 509 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 5: Those injuries he had our fluke injuries, and they're like 510 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 5: car crash injuries. It's not like he showed up the 511 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 5: camp twenty pounds overweight and pull the hamstring. 512 00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 6: You know. 513 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 5: The last injury, which I think only detailed the day 514 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 5: after the injury, he took the snap, tried to go 515 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 5: to Jamar Chase on a slant. The corner jumped the route. 516 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 5: It within one point three seconds of the snap. There 517 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 5: were three defenders cascading in his lower extremities. That toe 518 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 5: popped out. I don't know what he's supposed to do 519 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 5: other than what happened. You know, he's not a sideboard, 520 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 5: so obviously the injuries are concerned. But also let's not 521 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 5: forget if he finishes this season with six straight starts, 522 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 5: he will have made eighty four starts in six years. 523 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 5: It's not like he's missed eighty percent of the games. 524 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 5: I mean essentially misses three to four games a year, 525 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 5: which is not good. That's not good. It's about the 526 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,719 Speaker 5: same rate as Lamar Jackson. 527 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 3: It's not like he's. 528 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 5: Out from you know, extending periods of time. It's just 529 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 5: when the injuries take place to be problematic. So I 530 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 5: think that's obviously a thing that gets oberrated. And my 531 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 5: final point is, I know people talk naturally and probably 532 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 5: in Cincinnati about the fact that you know this is 533 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 5: the roster you get when you pay your stars so 534 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 5: much money. Well, Joe Burrow, Chase Brown, Jamar Chase, and 535 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 5: t Biggans are their four offensive weapons. They make the 536 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 5: same amount of money as Jalen Hurts, Tae Kwon Barkley, 537 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 5: A J. Brown, and Devonte Smith. So pick those four 538 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 5: players from the Bengals off the roster, take the four 539 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 5: Eagles players out of the equation. How did Philadelphia build 540 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 5: a roster while paying the four guys the same amount 541 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 5: of money that Cincinnati pays him. They just draft a 542 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 5: lot better and they develop a lot better. So it 543 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 5: can be done. And as you've talked about several times, 544 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 5: they're what ten twelve million under the payroll right now 545 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 5: under the sas under the limit, so they can spend 546 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 5: more money. It's just it's it's such an easy excuse 547 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 5: to say, oh, paying a quarterback. Well, when they have 548 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 5: a quarterback like that, you pay him. You have a 549 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 5: receiver like that, you pay him. And it's it's just 550 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 5: all these false narratives that go out there, and I 551 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 5: think that I just want to see the guy play. 552 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 5: I mean, my favorite player, and I just think for 553 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 5: the next six weeks it's going to be blast to 554 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,239 Speaker 5: see him play, makes the sport much more interesting, and 555 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 5: he's going to scare the hell out of people because 556 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 5: I know last week at this time, I was talking 557 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 5: to some people in Boston like, we don't want to 558 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 5: see him come out on Sunday, you know, we fear him. 559 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 5: And I still think if he plays, and if if 560 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 5: you watch Chase played last Sunday, they probably win that 561 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 5: game because the Patriots weren't very good and Cincinnati's defense 562 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 5: looked Okay. 563 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. 564 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:14,239 Speaker 5: Let's enjoy it. 565 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Johnny can be that simple thank you for the 566 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 2: phone call, And it really can be that simple. It 567 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 2: can be that simple as Hey, I want my favorite player, 568 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,479 Speaker 2: my best player, to play. I like watching watching him 569 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 2: play football. I like him and seeing him and Jamar 570 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 2: Chase do cool things. I mean, how many players over 571 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 2: the course of the Bengals history would you do anything 572 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 2: to watch them play one more game? I think about 573 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 2: that with Corey Dillon. I think about that with Chad Johnson. 574 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 2: I was at Chad's last home game and and I 575 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 2: think he had like two catches for thirty five yards. 576 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 2: Like I would love I would do anything to watch 577 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 2: one more game with Chad Johnson playing. Listen, this stuff 578 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 2: goes quick. Man Like Burrow already in his sixth season 579 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 2: in the National Football League, Like, I don't want to 580 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 2: throw away any games. I don't want to just move 581 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 2: on now into the year. This year, Miles Garrett probably 582 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 2: going for the NFL record in sacks. I have no 583 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 2: interest in Joe Burrow playing that game. That's completely pointless. 584 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 4: But like. 585 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 2: I still I want to see the best players play. 586 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 2: That's what's fun about being a football fan. Like it 587 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 2: can be that simple, Like how many great players have 588 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 2: the Bengals had over the course of their existence that 589 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 2: make you think, Man, I was a great player. I 590 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 2: wish I could watch them play one more time. I 591 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 2: wish I could see Ken Riley streaking down the sideline 592 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 2: on a pick six. I wish I could see Lamar 593 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 2: Parris return a punt. I wish I could see aj 594 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 2: Green go up over top of somebody in hall in 595 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 2: a touchdown. I wish I could see Chad Johnson shake 596 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 2: somebody at the top of a route and cross across 597 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 2: the field, beat a dude to the end zone and 598 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 2: have some crazy touchdown celebration. 599 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 4: You know. 600 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 2: I wish I could see vontees Berfect knock the snot 601 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 2: out of a Pittsburgh Steeler again. Those are the things 602 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 2: that you want, and sometimes it can be as simple 603 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 2: as I want to. I want to watch the best 604 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 2: players play football. Take a break, we'll be back. This 605 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 2: is ESPN fifteen thirty. 606 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: You've been listening to football in the Natty on ESPN 607 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals. 608 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 7: Your front row seat to the fierces debates in sports 609 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 7: Moegger Today at three pm on ESPN fifteen thirty, block that. 610 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 3: Word for Dade a thamas now job top of the circle. 611 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,479 Speaker 4: Didn't think about the three that time Risa Elliot, don't 612 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 4: God five on top of job, I just. 613 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 2: Play Marcreesta coming off in the Fresh coming off the 614 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 2: screen role player Tom just throwing it up, slimming it down. 615 00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 8: Good job. 616 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,919 Speaker 4: Eight two bear sixty to thirteen left and the half. 617 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 2: That was a call last night, Dan Horde Steve Logan 618 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLW Bearcats victorious ninety four sixty seven 619 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 2: over the n JI Highlanders. 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You should too. 628 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 2: By the way, don't forget go to Winshulers dot com 629 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 2: for some easy to follow recipes if you need something 630 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 2: to prepare for your party, your Thanksgiving, your get together 631 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 2: this weekend. A couple of other things going on in 632 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 2: sports a couple of former Cincinnati athletes. How about this 633 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 2: Cad York, the former Bengal kicker. You might remember he 634 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 2: stepped in in place of Evan McPherson last year. You know, 635 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 2: Cad York actually had the franchise record tied with McPherson 636 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 2: for the longest field goal until McPherson broke it this 637 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 2: past Sunday. It was fifty nine yards. Cade York and 638 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 2: Evan McPherson held that franchise record. Well, Cad York has 639 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 2: signed today with the New Orleans Saints. He was part 640 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 2: of a workout yesterday in New Orleans that featured former 641 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 2: Ravens kicker Justin Tucker Ollkad York has been signed by 642 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 2: the New Orleans Saints, and a former Red was traded 643 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 2: today from the Saint Louis Cardinals to the Boston Red Sox, 644 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 2: Sonny Gray traded to Boston. Boston in return gets a 645 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 2: couple of relief pitchers major league relief pitchers, including one 646 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 2: guy by the name of Richard Fitz Fi t T 647 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 2: I cannot wait for Ellie de la Cruz to hit 648 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 2: a home run off of Richard fits and then make 649 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 2: fun of him by saying Richard giving him fits. These 650 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 2: are the things to look forward to during the summer. 651 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 2: But Sonny Gray on the move today too. The Boston 652 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 2: Red Sox. Boston's gonna be an interesting team next year. 653 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 2: By the way, I think we're one hundred and twenty 654 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 2: two days away from Opening day, pitchers and catchers reporting. 655 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 2: In just a couple of months, there have been a 656 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 2: couple of trades across Major League Baseball, nothing crazy. I'm 657 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 2: really curious to see what the Reds do because they 658 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 2: do have some money to spend, if you believe what 659 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 2: Nick Crawl said in their idea of building this team 660 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 2: kind of along the same lines as last year. I 661 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,240 Speaker 2: know that they avoided arbitration with Sam Mall and signed 662 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,879 Speaker 2: him to a team friendly deal, and I think that's 663 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 2: one of the important parts of the offseason is getting 664 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 2: left handed pitch and bullpen pitching specifically, that I think 665 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 2: is going to be where most of the money is spent. 666 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 2: It's going to be on those bullpen arms. We've talked 667 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 2: about that extensively. I don't really expect them to do 668 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 2: much in terms of getting an offensive player. I think 669 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 2: that they fully believe in Chris Valaka. I think that 670 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 2: they fully believe in Chris Valaka's ability to turn people around, 671 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 2: and they are really giving him the reins to the 672 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 2: entire organization. Now, you may or may not agree with that. 673 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 2: I don't know that I agree with it. I'm pretty 674 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,720 Speaker 2: sure I don't. But the Reds have been pretty open 675 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 2: about what they plan to do with this organization and 676 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,280 Speaker 2: what the plan is under Nick Krawl, It's to spend 677 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,839 Speaker 2: one hundred to one hundred and twenty million dollars. It's 678 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 2: to get young athletic middle infielders and outfielders and to 679 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 2: use their athleticism to sprinkle them around to different positions 680 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 2: and to just kind of continually keep that train rolling. 681 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,760 Speaker 2: And Nick Krawl has said he wants to eliminate peaks 682 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 2: and valleys, which means they want to kind of be 683 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 2: about the same team every year. They don't want to 684 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 2: have these dips and they don't want to have these peaks. 685 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 2: You know, we don't want to win ninety seven games 686 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,399 Speaker 2: a year. We'd rather win like eighty five every single year. 687 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,399 Speaker 2: Like that's kind of what they're telling you, and that's 688 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 2: how they feel like they can win and how they 689 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 2: feel like is the only option. And on top of that, 690 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 2: they are a team that does not believe in hitting 691 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 2: home runs. They don't believe in hitting for power. They've 692 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 2: talked about how some of their more powerful players in 693 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 2: their system, including Sal Stewart, is working on losing weight 694 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,319 Speaker 2: and becoming more athletic. Talked about that with Hector Rodriguez 695 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 2: as well, like, this is who the Reds are, this 696 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 2: is what they believe, this is how they're going to 697 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 2: approach it. Whether or not you agree with it, it's 698 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 2: the unfortunate reaction. And I think Nick Carl kind of 699 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 2: said something along the lines of you got in a 700 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 2: lot of ways draft and develop your pitching and at 701 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 2: times overpay for pitchers to get them to come to 702 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 2: Great American Ballpark because of the size of the park. 703 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,959 Speaker 2: So he'll say that out of one side of his mouth, 704 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 2: and then on the other side of the mouth he'll say, well, 705 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,919 Speaker 2: we're working on these guys losing some weight and getting 706 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 2: in shape so we can put the ball in play. 707 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 2: That is their philosophy, and because of that, they're not 708 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 2: going to make a run at Kyle Schwarber. They're not 709 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 2: going to make a run at anybody who hits a 710 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 2: lot of home runs. What I find most interesting is 711 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 2: is kind of going back to last season, Terry Francona 712 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 2: threw the brakes on when it comes to running the bases. 713 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 2: They weren't stealing bases, they weren't as aggressive on the 714 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 2: bass paths. And if you're not going to be a 715 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,720 Speaker 2: team that hits extra base hits, that hits home runs, 716 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 2: if you're going to be a put the ball in 717 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 2: play and hit singles type of organization, which is what 718 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 2: I feel their organizational philosophy is, well, then you got 719 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 2: to be able to to steal some bases, You got 720 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 2: to be able to take that extra base. You got 721 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 2: to be willing to toe the line between reckless and 722 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 2: aggressive on the base path. And I hope that Terry 723 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 2: Francona does a better job with that this year, because 724 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 2: there was many things last year that I found myself 725 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 2: scratching my head at Francona's decision making and throwing the 726 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 2: brakes on. The run game was probably the biggest one, 727 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 2: because that's how they score runs, and repeatedly, over and 728 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 2: over and over and over and over and over again, 729 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 2: they were leaving understranded and they were scoring three or 730 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 2: fewer runs every night, and that was just a maddening 731 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 2: brand of baseball to watch, and I hope that they 732 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 2: make some serious, serious gains this year when it comes 733 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,799 Speaker 2: to just working the counts and getting guys on base 734 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 2: and actually stealing bases so that it's a much more 735 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 2: fun product to watch. Did not enjoy that this past year. 736 00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 2: All Right, we'll take a break. We'll come back, Joe 737 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 2: Dana ten minutes from now on the Home of the Bengals, 738 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen to thirty. Welcome back to Tony Pike since 739 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 2: three sixty, ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Austin Elmore coming up 740 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,879 Speaker 2: in about five minutes, Joe Daniman Fox nineteen. He will 741 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 2: talk Bengals with us and a little bit of everything else. 742 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 2: He was at say Nex Elder Friday night in what 743 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 2: looked to be an incredible atmosphere at pay Course Stadium. 744 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 2: I want to ask him a little bit about that. 745 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 2: Other news of the day, the semi finalists for the 746 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six Pro Football Hall of Fame induction were announced. 747 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:49,320 Speaker 2: One former Bengal, Willie Anderson, on the list. He joins 748 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 2: others like Drew Brees, Larry Fitzgerald, Torry Holt, Eli Manning, Reggie, 749 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,320 Speaker 2: Wayne Jason Witten, who is not a Hall of Famer, 750 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 2: Rodney Harrison, Luke Keikley speaking of Saint X, Vince will 751 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 2: For Adam Vinterteri, Darren Williams, Terrell Suggs. You remember Tis 752 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 2: Sizzle playing with the Ravens all those years. A bunch 753 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,919 Speaker 2: of finalists announced and our semi finalists announced. Willie, of course, 754 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 2: Big Willy Anderson was a finalist last year in the 755 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 2: Pro Football Hall of Fame. That is always announced on 756 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,279 Speaker 2: the Saturday before the Super Bowl. Who is going in? 757 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 2: So looking forward to hearing about that and hoping the 758 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,839 Speaker 2: best for Big Willie. All Right, we'll take a break, 759 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 2: we'll come back. We'll talk to Joey d next right 760 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 2: here on ESPN fifteen thirty. 761 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 8: Kwise Cincinnati, make us the number one pre set on 762 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 8: your car radio and on the free, new and improved 763 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 8: iHeartRadio app. Free never sounded so good, ESPN fifteen thirty. 764 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:49,319 Speaker 1: If you left