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Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good evening. I'm Chris Merrill. Listen to anytime on

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Speaker 2: demand of the iHeartRadio app where evidently if you listen

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Speaker 2: to the first hour, you will hear me refer to

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Speaker 2: the producer Richie as Ricky Mike Roder. Did you hear

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Speaker 2: me say that too? No, George, I didn't. You didn't

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Speaker 2: hear me calling Ricky.

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Speaker 3: I was I was doing something different. I was I

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Speaker 3: was paying attention to something interesting.

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Speaker 2: That's fair. You like that? Yeah, yeah, that's fair. I

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Speaker 2: just hate that I never done that. Like, Richie and

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Speaker 2: I have worked together a couple of times in the past,

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Speaker 2: but it's been a while. I'm sorry. Who Yeah, Ricky, Ricky,

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Speaker 2: we worked together a couple of times. Clearly who was

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Speaker 2: meaningful to you? No, But I'm like, how did I

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Speaker 2: screw that up? Like, sometimes you work with somebody and

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Speaker 2: you do, you know whatever, it is just click in

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Speaker 2: your mind. But Ritchie and I have worked together enough,

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Speaker 2: and I've listened to Richie on other people's shows and

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Speaker 2: stuff like that, you know, I feel like I'm close

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Speaker 2: enough to Richie I shouldn't have boned it up. You know,

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Speaker 2: he is an award winning producer. Of course he is

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Speaker 2: very good. Yeah, Sam, can you can you find that?

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Speaker 2: Are you sure? I still don't think I called him?

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Speaker 2: In my mind? No way did it happen. But I

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Speaker 2: have done this before, and I've been dead wrong and

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Speaker 2: I've pulled tape and then I'm almost double embarrassed.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know me, I'm very good with research, and

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Speaker 4: I jumped right on it to verify, would you, because

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Speaker 4: I had to? And oh you here, here we go,

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Speaker 4: here we go?

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Speaker 2: Right? Did Richie skip out yet? I? Huh? Did Richie skip?

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Speaker 2: Richie skip out? I did not Rickie skip out yet?

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Speaker 2: Did Richie skip out yet? I can't see him there

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Speaker 2: was I can't see his camera. He's running back in

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Speaker 2: shows mine. Did Richie skip out yet?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yes? And you realize that, Oh this is even sweeter

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Speaker 2: because Richie misheard me. I did not misspeak, which honestly, god,

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Speaker 2: there was about a ninety percent chance it was me.

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Speaker 2: But he misheard it. And then what did he do?

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Speaker 2: He called me Bill? He called me bill? You know

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Speaker 2: what I mean? Next time I see Richie who had

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Speaker 2: to leave because they had to go to a party.

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Speaker 2: Next time I see Ricky, I am going, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give him bill. I'm gonna I'm gonna wash

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Speaker 2: his mouth out with zelmons. That's what I'm gonna do.

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Speaker 2: Shove his Zelmans in there, and you get it all

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Speaker 2: minty in his mouth until it explode. Oh, the juice

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Speaker 2: is clean as dirty mouth out. That's what I would

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Speaker 2: have do to him.

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Speaker 3: Well, before you jump down his neck there, I just

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Speaker 3: have one question for you, Charles. Have you.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever you were going through all of them?

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Speaker 2: You're like, am I going to go with chip? Am?

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Speaker 2: I gonna go? Never mind? Forget it? I give up.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll get to Marty's news here coming up

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Speaker 2: in just a few more minutes. Okay, this's a this

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Speaker 2: could be a fun game. I do think we should

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Speaker 2: call him Ricky from now on. I think he accidentally

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Speaker 2: because he wanted to be called Ricky. So maybe that's

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Speaker 2: what we're going with. But see if I can find

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Speaker 2: some Taladiga Knight's cuts or something to use every time

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Speaker 2: he speaks, it'll be fun. Do you really want to

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Speaker 2: escalate this? I mean, I got nothing to lose, you know,

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Speaker 2: because Sam's the one at the control board. That's true.

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Speaker 2: You make a good point. Maybe Sam is like, okay, boys,

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Speaker 2: that's enough. Yeah, I'm not sure what side he is

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Speaker 4: Hey, I'm a fair arbiter. I wear referee jersey. That is,

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Speaker 4: I blow whistles, I throw flags.

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Speaker 2: Sam is I mean that he is a referee professionally figuratively?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's what he does. I sit between couples

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Speaker 4: it's very good. No, that actually, that is my specialty.

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Speaker 2: Which, by the way, I've got a story coming up

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Speaker 2: there's another study that just came out. I love studies

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Speaker 2: study is right up your alley. It is right up

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Speaker 2: your alley. And according to this study, I am way

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Speaker 2: too nice to my wife. So I'm really curious about

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Speaker 2: in just a little bit. Uh, if you have been

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Speaker 2: to Vegas late. I think I talked about this yesterday.

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Speaker 2: To Vegas is just deed, man. Uh, when I was

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Speaker 2: there in August anyway, there's just not a whole lot

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Speaker 2: streets are empty, but it's it just was not popping

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Speaker 2: to Vegas to blow all of your money was you know,

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Speaker 2: your weekend plan, you may not have to go so

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Speaker 2: far because I guess we're We've got another giant, monstrous

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Speaker 2: casino opening in Kerrent County, hard Rock Casino te hoone

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Speaker 2: opening November three, the first full scale casino Kern County.

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Speaker 2: So the uh, the tribe is opening. This a six

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Speaker 2: hundred million dollar development. They say it's enough space to

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Speaker 2: rival places like mega casinos like the MGM Grand Blagio

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Speaker 2: Aria Mandalay Bay. So it's gonna house more than two

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Speaker 2: thousand slot machines, live table game. That sounds good. That's it. Hey, Hey, hey, hey,

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Speaker 2: somebody gets sales on the line. I don't have any

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Speaker 2: casino endorsements yet. I love hard rock too, man, do

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Speaker 2: I love a good hard rock casino. In fact, I

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Speaker 2: I love going to Vegas, but man, that drive is

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Speaker 2: just such a pain. I wish there were a hard

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Speaker 2: rock casino closer to me, maybe something that had all

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Speaker 2: all of the excitement of Las Vegas without the drive.

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Speaker 2: Like the hard rock casino, we just give up on me.

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Speaker 2: What good? That's good? No? No, I love that. That

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Speaker 2: was perfect. Mark Rodner is live in the Camfi twenty

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Speaker 2: four hour newsroom. Perfect, good evening. I'm Chris MERRILK. I

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Speaker 2: am six forty more stimulating talk listen anytime on demand

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Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app. Is it possible PBS could be saved

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Speaker 2: by an afro and some happy little clowns? If only

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Speaker 2: I had Carson Daly to tell me more about it. Arsily,

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Speaker 2: if you ever ever thought, you know, well, I'd really

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Speaker 2: like to own one of his paintings, Well your luck, buddy,

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Speaker 2: Well we made one of those were similar to that,

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Speaker 2: which is a lot of fun.

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Speaker 5: They're going up for auction in Los Angeles next month,

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Speaker 5: part of a fundraiser for public TV stations.

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Speaker 2: Bob Ross paintings going up for auction to see Marina

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Speaker 2: Public Radio a public TV.

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Speaker 5: The paintings are worth between an estimated eight hundred and

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Speaker 5: fifty thousand nearly two million dollars. More auctions will follow online.

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Speaker 2: Wow, two million dollars, And.

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Speaker 5: In other cities they'll do it, like New York and

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Speaker 5: Boston and London too. That'd be a fun thing to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, thanks for watching, Yeah, thanks for watching. Thanks

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Speaker 2: Al Roker. Are the paintings really worth that much money?

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Speaker 2: I suppose half the time when you buy a painting,

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Speaker 2: you're buying it because of the artists, right, So the

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Speaker 2: the original these are the originals from his shows, and

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Speaker 2: they are being sold to support public television because of

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Speaker 2: so the question I suppose for a lot of us

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Speaker 2: is like, is this gonna save PBS or is this

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Speaker 2: just it's a band aid? Right? I mean, yeah, you

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Speaker 2: could you could sell the Oh we've sold the art

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Speaker 2: how much you're gonna make a few million dollars, and

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Speaker 2: I think you're probably gonna have some donors are gonna

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Speaker 2: gonna have some people that wanted to donate to PBS,

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Speaker 2: and this is an opportunity to do that. So, you know,

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Speaker 2: saw some of these from some wealthy donor go up

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Speaker 2: an original ross. Whatever. Is it possible that what pbs'

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Speaker 2: possible that the band aid is all the higher ups

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Speaker 2: hanging on until twenty twenty nine? In their minds, they

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Speaker 2: may be thinking, once this president is out of office

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Speaker 2: do the math. I remember. Oh yeah, in twenty twenty nine,

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Speaker 2: thinking is if Congress flips control and it's no longer

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Speaker 2: the Republicans who who cut PBS as part of the

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Speaker 2: Big Beautiful Bill, maybe they'll get some Democrats in there

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Speaker 2: that will restore the funding to PBS. So is it

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Speaker 2: possible that the Public Broadcast Systems is just thinking, all

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Speaker 2: we have to do is fund our stuff shoe string budgets,

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Speaker 2: bare minimums. Fund it until twenty six or I guess

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Speaker 2: it'd be twenty seven when Congress takes over, and then

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Speaker 2: we can get a budget in that that reinserts funding

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Speaker 2: it really, in the grand scheme of the budget was

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Speaker 2: course that was there's tremendous value to the symbolism that it,

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Speaker 2: that it conveyed. I have in my mind that's sort

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Speaker 2: of their strategy. That's it. Let me see. Yeah, Oh,

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Speaker 2: they want to turn it into memberships too. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 2: they're really gonna work hard on these membership drives. Oh

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Speaker 2: my gosh, wouldn't that be great if they had? I

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Speaker 2: got an idea, TBS. I got an idea for you.

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Speaker 2: Are you ready for this? Oh? Sometimes sometimes I think

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Speaker 2: you guys should wear sunglasses because the brilliance that beams

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Speaker 2: from my brain is enough to blind all of southern California.

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Speaker 2: If you see a flash of light and you think, oh,

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Speaker 2: my god, a bomb went off. Nope, that was just

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Speaker 2: brilliance striking me. PBS. You're gonna do your membership drive.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna go do your tote bags. Right, you do

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Speaker 2: a Willy Wonker kind of deal here, right, So you

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Speaker 2: take some Bob Ross's. I don't know if they're gonna

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Speaker 2: fit in your toat bags. We'll figure out a way.

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Speaker 2: Figure this out, PBS. Maybe it's a maybe it's a

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Speaker 2: golden ticket. I don't care. But you're gonna Willy Wonka this,

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Speaker 2: and you're gonna put You're gonna put five Bob Ross's

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Speaker 2: or vouchers for a Bob Ross in your coat bags.

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Speaker 2: And then as people make their donations, they have a

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Speaker 2: chance to win a two million dollar Bob Ross painting.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, you can sweeten the deal with DVDs

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Speaker 4: of Yanni Live at the Acropolis.

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Speaker 2: So you can't stop. You're dimming my brilliance. This is

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Speaker 2: this is the sort of thing. You realize that when

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Speaker 2: I have an idea like this, I get phone calls

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Speaker 2: because there are astronomers that believe they've just discovered a

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Speaker 2: new star. They go, my god, what is that incredible

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Speaker 2: like it. There are some kooks that think the aliens

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Speaker 2: Let me drag you back into your own health. Have

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Speaker 2: you noticed this that nice guys have trouble maintaining relationships?

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Speaker 2: I mean, do women? Are women not attracted to nice guys?

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Speaker 2: That old adage that this guy's finished last?

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Speaker 4: There's something maybe to the part of people liking having

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Speaker 4: a fixer up or somebody that they.

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Speaker 2: Need to like.

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Speaker 4: They see the good in them, but it it's got

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Speaker 4: some grime on it, and they want to be the

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Speaker 4: one to help clean them up and be the supportive person,

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Speaker 4: where a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Nice guys they don't.

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Speaker 4: Things may start getting boring with nice guys because you

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Speaker 4: were talking about, like, you know, introverts and extroverts and

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Speaker 4: the differences that they have dating quality wise. It's a

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Speaker 4: lot of nice guys who just choose to stay indoors nowadays, So.

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Speaker 2: You've got to be broken in order to keep the

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Speaker 2: woman around, she has to always have a project.

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Speaker 4: Well not necessarily, you don't have to be broken, but

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Speaker 4: like there's people tend to like people who stand on

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Speaker 4: business more and who aren't just going to, you know,

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Speaker 4: bend to the whims of other people. And it's an

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Speaker 4: attractive quality when you have someone who's willing to stand

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Speaker 4: on their own two feet and be assertive. But there's

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Speaker 4: a you know, like there's a line between being assertive

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Speaker 4: and being you know, being forcefully assertive and being appropriately

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Speaker 4: you know, have like an appropriate level of assertiveness. It's

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Speaker 4: a thing that I talk about a lot with my

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Speaker 4: clients is assertive assertiveness training. And it's important to know

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Speaker 4: how to be appropriately assertive. And the definition of appropriate

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Speaker 4: assertiveness is how to ask for your needs to be

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Speaker 4: met with the minimal amount of effort possible.

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Speaker 2: That's where my that's where my passive aggressionives comes in

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Speaker 2: and explain, please, that is the least amount of effort. Well,

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Speaker 2: that's the thing.

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Speaker 4: If you're going to make it so that you're like

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Speaker 4: the if people are noticing that you're barely putting in effort.

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Speaker 4: There's a difference between putting in the right level of

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Speaker 4: effort to get that need. Well, I'm just stewing. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's what I do. And that does that solve anything?

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Speaker 2: No, because obviously she's too dense to figure it out.

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Speaker 2: What are you stewing over? Like everything? Like, there'll be

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Speaker 2: times that, you know, I can't think of it a

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Speaker 2: specific now, but it's the old adage about you know,

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Speaker 2: it was never really about loading a dishwasher. It was

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Speaker 2: always about something else. But I will just I'll be like, hmmm,

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Speaker 2: look at the way she loads a dishwasher. Well that's

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Speaker 2: how you know what. I'm gonna run it the way

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Speaker 2: she loads it and see how she likes it. That's

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Speaker 2: what I do. But she's too dumb to figure it out.

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Speaker 2: She's like, oh, good, he ran the dishwasher. No, obviously

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Speaker 2: I ran that dishwasher so you would see how terrible

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Speaker 2: you loaded the dishwasher. But she's like, oh, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: he just he ran the dishwasher because he wanted to

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Speaker 2: get the dishes done. Why doesn't she pick up on

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Speaker 2: my on my pretty obvious hints.

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Speaker 4: Why are you giving hints instead of just speaking overtly

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Speaker 4: what you want to get done.

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 4: Because I was raised from it and I have with

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Speaker 4: a lot of people in relationships.

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Speaker 2: They bread crumb everything, you know what the whole issue is.

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Speaker 2: I just avoid the conflict because my wife doesn't take criticism.

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Speaker 2: Nobody wants to be criticized in fairness. Oh yeah, but

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Speaker 2: she's not. She's really bad at it.

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Speaker 4: But how you deliver the criticism determines what direction it goes.

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Speaker 2: I know. But if I'm nice about it, she says,

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Speaker 2: I'm weak? Does she call you weak in her mind? See?

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Speaker 2: I pick up on that. There's a guy who is

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Speaker 2: he calls meself a conflict strategist, which I didn't know

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Speaker 2: was a thing, but I guess it is. Really Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Ryan Dunlap is his name, and he was on your

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Speaker 2: favorite streaming service guy. So it's a YouTube. So he

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Speaker 2: was talking about there are consequences of being a nice person.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious Sam about your take on whether or not

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Speaker 2: he's onto something or if he's fishing. Here here's what

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Speaker 2: he said about nice guy's finishing last.

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Speaker 8: Do nice guys really finish last? They might, but not

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Speaker 8: for the reasons you think, you know, For many people

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Speaker 8: niceness isn't rooted in their conviction. It's often rooted in

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Speaker 8: their comfort. It's like a performance, a way of keeping

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Speaker 8: the peace, avoiding rejection, or maintaining favor.

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Speaker 2: That rather nihilistic. Maybe I just want to be nice

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Speaker 2: to people. Honestly, I don't know that I want to

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Speaker 2: be nice to people as much as I just don't

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Speaker 2: want to be mean to people. I don't like the

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Speaker 2: way I feel if i'm if I'm grumpy with somebody.

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Speaker 8: And when the performance stops working, when the people still

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Speaker 8: get hurt or overlooked, their mask cracks, and behind that

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Speaker 8: mask is often resentment. You know, a lot of people

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Speaker 8: have confused niceness with goodness. But goodness isn't soft, It

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Speaker 8: isn't passive. Goodness has a spine, It tells the truth,

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Speaker 8: It sets boundaries. Goodness is not always liked, it's not

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Speaker 8: always popular, but it is always rooted in what's right.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, who doesn't like goodness? Sam?

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Speaker 4: I'm okay with goodness, but some of the things he

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Speaker 4: was talking about ahead of that, I have some questions.

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Speaker 2: With Okay, all right, let me continue here, because he

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Speaker 2: talks about that mask coming off.

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Speaker 8: Now when people feel that acting nice has cost them

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Speaker 8: too much. They don't just stop acting nice, they stop

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Speaker 8: being good. They've become cold, selfish, sometimes even hostile.

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Speaker 4: That feels like a broad generality, it does. It sounds

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Speaker 4: like that might be his reaction to it.

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Speaker 8: Okay, not because they've matured, but because their ego couldn't

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Speaker 8: handle the cost of pretending to be nice. You know,

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Speaker 8: it's one thing to effectively defend yourself and stand up

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Speaker 8: for yourself. It's something entirely different to go on the

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Speaker 8: attack and to become an aggressor.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with that last clause, but I

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Speaker 2: don't know that it matches up with I feel like

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Speaker 2: he's really assuming that if you're if you're not getting

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Speaker 2: what you want as a nice guy, then you're gonna

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Speaker 2: try to be a bad guy. And that sounds like

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Speaker 2: a really thin plot on a bad rom com.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's also like your kindness is only contingent on

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Speaker 4: that some on the idea that somebody is going to

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Speaker 4: take effort to reach out and meet your needs. And transactional, right, yeah,

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Speaker 4: everything has become transactional in that it's like, okay, well,

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Speaker 4: as long as I do this, as long as I'm

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Speaker 4: a good person, then my needs are gonna be totally

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Speaker 4: met within a relationship, and.

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Speaker 2: If they're not, I'm gonna get I'm gonna turn into

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Speaker 2: a jerk.

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Speaker 4: Relationships take a lot more work than just being nice.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Plus, I feel like you have to you

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Speaker 2: have to. I feel like niceness comes from within. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean if if somebody breaking up with you or

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Speaker 4: breaking your heart makes you all of a sudden not

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Speaker 4: a nice person, or he changes you into somebody who's

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Speaker 4: broken and jaded and angry, it's like, yeah, no, at

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Speaker 4: that point, the problem becomes you because at that point,

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Speaker 4: you're now a slave to that one memory.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and not what I should be a slave to,

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Speaker 2: which is my out of control ego.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, obviously, but no, if people are gonna just

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Speaker 4: allow that moment to happen, then you're basically handing whoever

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Speaker 4: it is that broke your heart the keys to your

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Speaker 4: emotional car, and you're gonna let them control wherever, whatever

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Speaker 4: direction it goes. If they want to drive it into

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Speaker 4: a ditch, you emotionally are gonna let them drive it

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Speaker 4: into that ditch.

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Speaker 2: So I think what we've learned here is be careful

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Speaker 2: when you're trying to get advice from YouTube for free.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, just yeah, exercise extraordinary caution there there are

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