1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: He's night side with Dan Ray on w BZY, Boston's 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: new radio. 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 2: Bruins and Crack and one of the original thirty two 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: there to the original thirty two both the Bruins and 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 2: the Crack. And anyway, thanks very much Dan, as we 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: move into our ten o'clock hour. For those of you 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: who are just joining us, just to recap, we talked 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: last night about a parole hearing that took place today 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 2: in Natick when a back in nineteen eighty three man 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: named Jose Cologne executed a Massachusetts State Police trooper, George Hannah. 11 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: Cologne was twenty at the time of the murder and 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: he shot this trooper six times from Cloaks Range on 13 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 2: February twenty sixth, nineteen eighty three in Auburn, Massachusetts, community 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,959 Speaker 2: south of Worcester. It was an execution, is what it was, 15 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: and he was sentenced to life in prison without parole. 16 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: Last January, there was a Supreme Court decision here in Massachusetts, 17 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: which I think was not a great decision, but we 18 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: are in Massachusetts, and the Supreme Court said that anyone 19 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:17,199 Speaker 2: who's convicted from murdering the first degree, which is you know, premeditation, deliberation, 20 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 2: it's intentional. This is not a heat of passion moment. 21 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: This is a murder in the first degree, generally with cruelty, 22 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: and there certainly was cruelty here. He sentenced to murder 23 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: in the first degree, which means life in prison without parole. 24 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: When we in Massachusetts got rid of the death penalty, 25 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 2: the folks who favor getting rid of the death penalty argued, look, 26 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: death penalty is too good for these people. Put them 27 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 2: in jail, lock them up, throw away the key. Well, 28 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: lock them up, throw away the key doesn't work. Now 29 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: if you're under twenty one when you kill somebody and 30 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: you're convicted from murder of the first degree. There have 31 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: been fifty There are two hundred parole cases that are 32 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: coming up of individuals under the age of twenty one 33 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: who were convicted of murder in the first degree and 34 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: who were in Massachusetts prisons. At this point, the parole 35 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: board has heard fifty two of the cases. Thirty nine 36 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: of those have been given parole. That's seventy six percent. 37 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: That's an incredible number. But focusing on the hearing today, 38 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: this is a Massachusetts State Police trooper, a young guy 39 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: who had three children at the time and a wife, 40 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: his life is snuffed out. I would love to hear 41 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: from you if you watched today. Most of the new 42 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: stations did a story on it. And it's always sympathetic 43 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: to see the murderer there pleading for his freedom or 44 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: her freedom. But in most cases it's a he But 45 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 2: Governor Healey who wrote a very strong letter to the 46 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 2: parle Board, and this is part of our interview with 47 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 2: Governor Healey Last Hour. For those of you that missed it, 48 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 2: this is what Governor Healy said. Her letter was eloquent, 49 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 2: and she joined us tonight for about twenty five minutes 50 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: at the twenty minutes at the top of the nine 51 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: o'clock hour, and we talked about this case in her 52 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: decision to firmly oppose commutation for this person who killed 53 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: the police office. He's a cop killer, simple as that. 54 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: This is Governor Healy Last Hour. 55 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 3: It's been a long day, Dan. You know I started 56 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: out this morning attending the funeral of Officer Stephen Laporta, 57 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: the wonderful man who was tragically killed in the line 58 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: of duty last week. And you know, it just brings 59 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 3: home these events just bring home the sacrifice that men 60 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: and women are willing to make when they become police officers. Right, 61 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 3: It's not a normal job. It's a different kind of. 62 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 4: Job, and you know it is a job that you 63 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 4: know it really has the potential for the absolute worst 64 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 4: for oneself and one family. 65 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 3: And it's important to say that because you know, I 66 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: did spend time with this. This was important. I've been 67 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 3: attorney general, I've been a prosecutor, and now I'm governor, 68 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 3: and I've had the opportunity to work with many in 69 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 3: law enforcement and many law enforcement families. Deliberately killing a 70 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 3: police officer is one of the most heinous crimes, and 71 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 3: I've come to know the Hannah family over the last 72 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 3: several years. His name, Super Hannah's name is attached to 73 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 3: the highest honor that we give to law enforcement in Massachusetts. 74 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: The ceremony was just months ago, and we do that 75 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 3: every year, and so I thought it was important to 76 00:04:55,440 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 3: be clear as governor about the importance of ensuring that 77 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 3: Super Hannah's killer not be released, not be paroles. 78 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: Now that par decision was not made, they obviously take 79 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 2: these things under advisement, but we will follow it closely, 80 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 2: and we will follow any parole hearing that deals with 81 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: the murder of a Massachusetts police officer, state or local. Uh, 82 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 2: And you need to again, these these people are the 83 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: They are the thin blue line that protects us from 84 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: criminals who are so audacious that they're willing to kill 85 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 2: a police officer. Let me go first this hour to 86 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: Tom in Pennsylvania. Tom, I know you've been on and 87 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: I hope you heard the interview in its entirety last 88 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 2: hour with Governor Haley. Go right ahead. 89 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 5: I just this is my personal opinion. You can agree 90 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 5: to disagreeably. I'm sure if the deep them behind boards, 91 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 5: I don't care what they did to me, they're capable 92 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 5: of doing the same thing again. And if another word 93 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 5: you're saying that sometimes they alleviate. You know, we're gonna 94 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 5: put him on her behind boys with that parole, and 95 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 5: then well now we're going to put him one parole, 96 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 5: but that they were put behind boys. I don't care 97 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 5: what they did, but to me, in my eyes, they're 98 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 5: capable of doing it again. 99 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: Well here in Massachusetts. I mean the argument that is 100 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: always made by the advocates for the criminals. And you 101 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: know there are people in prison who were wrongfully convicted. 102 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: If someone is wrongfully convicted, I've worked on cases of 103 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: wrongful conviction and helped innocent people get out of prison 104 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 2: that all of us want. 105 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 5: I don't want to say the wrong behind boys. 106 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 2: I agree with you, absolutely, absolutely, So we're not talking 107 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 2: about this. There's no question what this guy did. He 108 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 2: executed a state police officer, shot him at six at 109 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 2: a close range, six times, and took away a husband 110 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,239 Speaker 2: and a father of three kids and a state police officer. 111 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: And now what has happened in Massachusetts since since you're 112 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania, Tom, I don't expect you to know everything 113 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: that happens in Massachusetts. Is that a year ago our 114 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 2: state Supreme Court issued a decision was called the mass Decision, 115 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: which kind of changed the rules of the game, if 116 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: you will, and basically said, if you were under twenty one, 117 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: you are what they called an emerging adult. Now you 118 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: can drink alcohol in Massachusetts, you can join the military, 119 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: you can drive cars at your car at sixteen. I 120 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:50,239 Speaker 2: don't know that we know the phrase emerging emerging adult 121 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: is a euphemism, and it's a made up euphemism in 122 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: my opinion. And all you do is you have a 123 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: couple of psychiatrists or psychology to come up with some 124 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: phrase and they say, well, we're all emerging adults. I mean, 125 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: I think all of us are smarter today than we 126 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: were five years ago, more experienced, smarter than than we 127 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: were five years before that. But when you take the 128 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: life of someone and are convicted from murder one in Massachusetts, 129 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: you're supposed to go away for life in prison without parole. 130 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: If you're twenty one and you do it today and 131 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: you get convicted, you're in prison. It's it's sort of 132 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: a funny line. If you're if you're you know, if 133 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: you kill someone the day before your twenty first birthday 134 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: and you're still twenty, okay, you you might be able 135 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: to get paroled. If you kill someone to day of 136 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: your twenty first birthday, you're going to Those are lines 137 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: that I'm uncomfortable with. 138 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 5: And uh and and I'm on your side on that 139 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 5: in no other ways. Or I'll show the police take 140 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 5: their laws on our hands when they arrest some money 141 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 5: basically and when they bring him court room and they 142 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 5: sit there drinking a colt years so with a horror, 143 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 5: want to excuse me whether they don't want to play 144 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 5: him or Harvey on boards until they kill Someonehen they 145 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 5: kill somebody, the well yeah, May maybe you've got to 146 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 5: do something about this now. And to me, uh, it's 147 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 5: my push on days. It shouldn't be a reason too. 148 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 5: Now it's all up. I'm seventy seven years old and 149 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 5: I sold up five times back in the seventies in Pennsylvania. Okay, 150 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 5: Uh you would you with the victim boy? 151 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 2: Say, Tom, you said you were the victim of crime. 152 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 5: Yes, well, it's all up five times. They're living in 153 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 5: Tame Brandon Rolls in the area where I live in. 154 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: Okay. 155 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 5: But so, my my feeling is they did not put 156 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 5: the three boys behind bars. It was any witness that 157 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 5: saw the first one and told the police who did it. Okay, 158 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 5: I did not put them. But in ten twenty years later, 159 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 5: one of the three got in the shooting. I will 160 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 5: grow at the scene, get hit in the crossfire. 161 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, again this is interesting, Tom, But but again 162 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: there's a lot of specifics here that you know. Look, 163 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: I appreciate your call. Have you called before? Is this 164 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 2: your first time? Okay, well keep calling and I'm sorry 165 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: what you went through and what you experienced. Too many 166 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 2: people are victims of crime, and I think that oftentimes 167 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: we give people second, third, fourth, and fifth chances, and 168 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: the police officer in the case in Massachusetts was not 169 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: given a second chance. He got six bullets and that 170 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 2: was the end of his life. 171 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 5: And I don't understand anybody said, be honest. 172 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 2: All right, Tom, appreciate you call, Thank you so much, 173 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: and keep listening tonight. I thank you, my friend, talk 174 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 2: to you so. 175 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 5: Good night. 176 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty, six one seven, 177 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: nine three one ten thirty is the number love to 178 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: hear from you again. I think it is so important. 179 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 2: And I know a lot of you who listen to 180 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 2: my show are not necessarily fans of uh governor Healing 181 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: because you I've criticized her for things you've agreed with me, 182 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: But on this she is, in my opinion, absolutely right, 183 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: and I feel that we all should stand and applaud 184 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: her as governor of the Commonwealth. Leaving you know, she 185 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 2: easily could have duct this if she wanted to, but 186 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: she didn't, and I think that's that's important. I got 187 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 2: some open lines here which always concerned me. Six one 188 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: fill them up. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten 189 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: thirty six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty. What 190 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: do you think about the fact that now there's two 191 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: hundred lifers who have who have been convicted of life 192 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: imprisonment without parole for first degree murder, who are now 193 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: parole eligible because of the maddest decision, And of the 194 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: first fifty cases that have been heard by the parole Board, 195 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 2: three quarters of them, seventy six percent have won parole. 196 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 2: If that percentage holds, that would mean one hundred and 197 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: fifty hundred and fifty of these two hundred first degree 198 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 2: murder convicts will be parolled onto the streets of Massachusetts. 199 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: Does that make you feel good? Coming back on Nightside? 200 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 201 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 2: All right, let me keep rolling here. I'm gonna go 202 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: next to Jeff and Abington. Jeff, welcome. How are you. 203 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm doing wonderful? 204 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 6: That ever be better? 205 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: Glad to hear it. What's on your mind? 206 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 7: It's an election year. I don't trust Healey. 207 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 3: She would have kept quiet if it wasn't an election year. 208 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 7: She don't you know what. 209 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 2: That's your opinion, and I do not agree with you 210 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: on that, but I would I would think that you. 211 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: I think I know where you're coming from politically. You're 212 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 2: not a fan of Healey's there's things that I have 213 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 2: I criticized heally on this show on the MBTA Communities Act. 214 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: I criticized for not going uh last November into the 215 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: Rainy Day Fund or eight billion dollar Rainy Day Fund 216 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 2: when SNAP benefits were in jeopardy. But I feel what 217 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: when any politician does what I think is the right 218 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: thing and arguably a courageous thing. I suspect that many 219 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 2: of her core supporters might disagree with her on this. 220 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 6: I bust disagree. I mean and heard me. 221 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 2: You're talking about the the guys seeking for you know, 222 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 2: you don't have to call him a savage. I mean, 223 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 2: that's what it is. You know what, you know what 224 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 2: what what? That doesn't help your argument? Jeff, Okay, no, 225 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: it means, it just doesn't. I mean, you know we're 226 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 2: going to end up in a fight over this. But 227 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 2: but I'm not quelshing. I'm not squealshing your first Amendment 228 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 2: right to say something. But I'm just pointing out to 229 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 2: you that it doesn't make your argument any stronger. That's 230 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 2: the point I'm trying to make. 231 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 3: Okay, I just want to put it in a complaint 232 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 3: about your show. 233 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 2: Well, do me a favor, hold on and We'll going 234 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 2: to put you on with the complaint division and they'll 235 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: they'll take the complaint for you. 236 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 3: Okay, don't hang up on. 237 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 2: I'm not hanging up on you. Hold on and you 238 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: can Rob. 239 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 8: I want to put Jeff. 240 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 2: Put Jeff through with the complaint department, uh, as soon 241 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: as possible. Let me go to Kathleen and Quincy. Kathleen, 242 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: you're a next hitside. Go right ahead. 243 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 6: Yes, I would like to tell you that I was 244 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 6: so disgusted by that man today when they had him 245 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 6: on the news and he's crying his eyes out. You know, 246 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 6: I want my freedom. I was trying to be a 247 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 6: big shot to my brother in law and all that, 248 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 6: and he didn't realize that he left a family, a 249 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 6: family without their father, without their husband, and he is 250 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 6: sitting there crying for himself, and he if he got 251 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 6: his freedom, it would be a disgrace. It would be 252 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 6: a disgrace. And I feel that the politicians, maybe Healey 253 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 6: did speak up, but I mean, I'd like to hear 254 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 6: some other people that could. I don't know. Last night 255 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 6: you were saying the Supreme Court and everything else, and 256 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 6: I'm saying, why is this law even in effect? 257 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: Well, let me. Let me break it. Let me break 258 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: it down, Kathleen, Kathleen, Kathleen, Let me break it down 259 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: for you and for others who have a question. In Massachusetts, 260 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: for time immemorial, if you were convicted of murder in 261 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: the first degree, which generally means in a minimum premeditation 262 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: and deliberation, something that you planned, particularly if there's a 263 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 2: degree of cruelty with the murder. We're not talking about. 264 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: You know, two guys who are in a bar fight 265 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 2: and some guy grabs a knife and stabs the other guy, 266 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: and they're both drunk or whatever. We're talking This guy 267 00:15:55,320 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 2: executed the police officer, fired six shots into the police office, sir, 268 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 2: and executed him. 269 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 9: Now, the only reason this guy's getting a parole hearing, 270 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 9: the only reason he's getting a parole hearing, is. 271 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: That the State Supreme Court, not the US Supreme Court. 272 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: The State Supreme Court last January said that anyone who's 273 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: convicted of murder in the first degree and is under 274 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 2: the age of twenty one. This guy was twenty when 275 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: he killed the police officer, they cannot it's unconstitutional to 276 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: sentence them to life in prison without parole. Well, I 277 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: don't agree with that. You don't agree with that, but 278 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: that's me. But that then is what procedurally gave this 279 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 2: guy a chance to have a parole hearing. Here's what's scary. 280 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: Not only is this guy eligible for parole now, the 281 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 2: governor's letter today, I hope will have an impact with 282 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 2: the parole board. However, and this is this is very important. 283 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: There have been there are two hundred prisoners in Massachusetts 284 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: who are eligible now for parole hearings because of the 285 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: state Supreme Court decision of last January. The Parole Board 286 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 2: has heard fifty two of the cases and they. 287 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 6: Have allowed thirty nine people thirty nine. It is thirty nine. 288 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 2: That's seventy that's seventy six percent. If you extrapolate that 289 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: number out to the entire group of two hundred cases, 290 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 2: that means ultimately we're going to have three quarters of 291 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 2: two hundred percent on two hundred cases, that's one hundred 292 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 2: and fifty former first degree murderers that will be walking 293 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: the streets of Massachusetts. 294 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 6: That's terrible. That's terrible. That's terrible. I mean, how I 295 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 6: just I can't believe that something. I can't believe that 296 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 6: we haven't heard from the politicians that I mean that 297 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 6: this is wrong. 298 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 2: Well, to the best of my knowledge, here's okay, we 299 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: haven't heard who we should hear from next is Andrea Campbell, 300 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: the Attorney General of Massachusetts. I don't know if she 301 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 2: submitted a statement on this. I would have assumed it 302 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 2: would have been in either of the Boston newspapers, or 303 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 2: I would have seen it on four five or seven 304 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 2: or four or five or ten, I should say, or 305 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: four five, seven or ten, or heard it on WBZ radio. 306 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 2: I talked about this last night in the eleven o'clock hour, 307 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 2: about the governor's very strong letter in urging the parole 308 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 2: board to deny parole to this applicant, and we had 309 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: her on area tonight. Did you hear the governor in 310 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 2: the nine o'clock hour or no? 311 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 6: No, I did not. 312 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, when. 313 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 6: We come back, I saw her run the news and yes, 314 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 6: you know, I mean, I just, I just I can't 315 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 6: believe that this is even a law that's letting. 316 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 2: Well, it's not a law. 317 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 6: Is he doesn't deserve a second chance? 318 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 2: No, I agree with it, But Kathleen, it's not a law. 319 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: It was. 320 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: The law was life in prison without parole for first 321 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: degree murderers. The state Supreme Court in Massachusetts overturned that law. 322 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 6: And they presented to an attorney, is presented to the 323 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 6: Supreme Court, or did the Supreme Court as through their own. 324 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 2: No, there was a case that worked its way up 325 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 2: to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court, not the 326 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 2: US Supreme Court, but the Massachusetts Supreme Court determined that 327 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: the Massachusetts law life in prison without parole for people 328 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: under the age of twenty one, so called their phrase 329 00:19:54,240 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 2: emerging adults, is on its face unconstitutional. That law then 330 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 2: opened the door for two hundred people men. I'm assume 331 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: they're virtually all men, and they are virtually all men 332 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: who have been convicted of murdering the first degree for 333 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 2: the sentences for them to be eligible for parole. And now, 334 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 2: as a consequence of that decision, the Madness decision, three 335 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 2: quarters of the parole hearings that have been undertaken so 336 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 2: far have resulted in thirty nine people being released. 337 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 6: It's just an awe of the system. 338 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 2: Okay. 339 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 6: I mean the person who win the service, he can 340 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 6: win the Army, he can win the Navy, he can 341 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 6: win the Marines when he's eighteen. 342 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, yeah, And look what happens in Look. 343 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 6: It doesn't matter how old the person is. He said that. 344 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 6: He said, I was trying to prove myself too. It 345 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 6: doesn't take six bullets to prove yourself. 346 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 2: I just it's a pretty sick way. It's a bottom line, Kathleen, 347 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 2: and you're absolutely right. It's a pretty sick way to 348 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: try to prove yourself. Kathleen. I'm going to play a 349 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 2: little bit of the maur Healy interview on the other 350 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 2: side of the newscast. I appreciate your calling, and by 351 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 2: the way, I understand the confusion that you feel and 352 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: the confusion a lot of people feel. And that's why 353 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: we're talking about this tonight. I want to have people 354 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: beware that we could be all of a sudden, have 355 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty first degree murderers paroled if the 356 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 2: Parole Board continues at the pace that they're working at 357 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 2: within the next year or so. Thank you, Kathleen, appreciate 358 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 2: your call. Thank you, have a great night. Good night. Okay, 359 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: here comes the news we get back. I like to 360 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 2: play a little bit more than the mare Healy interview. 361 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: Governor Heally spent about twenty minutes with us at the 362 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: top of the at the beginning of the nine o'clock 363 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 2: talk hour. I'd like to continue this conversation. I want 364 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: to hear from you. Okay, this is the state. We've 365 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: had callers from out of state, a couple of callers 366 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 2: from Pennsylvania. If you're listening tonight in Massachusetts, this is 367 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: your state. Don't give up on it. Don't give up 368 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 2: on it. Take have the courage to pick up the 369 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: phone and call and express yourself, as Kathleen expressed herself, 370 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 2: and as others have expressed themselves tonight, and let the 371 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 2: world know that you're not happy about this. There have 372 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 2: to be changes. And I would say again, the governor 373 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: did the right thing. She sent a very important letter 374 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: to the pro board, and she came on tonight and 375 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 2: talked about that. And I know that there are a 376 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 2: lot of you who are not fans of mar Healey. 377 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 2: That's fine. I don't agree with mar Healey on everything 378 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 2: I've said. I've explained to you some of the things 379 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 2: I disagree with her on, but we cannot be hypocrites. 380 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 2: I think she deserves big kudos congratulations for doing this. 381 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: Could tell from the from her speech pattern and from 382 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: the tone of her voice. Tonight. This affected her deeply, 383 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 2: deeply six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six 384 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 2: one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Have the courage 385 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 2: to commend someone, maybe even someone who you disagree with, 386 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 2: when they do something that you believe is right. Back 387 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 2: on night side after the news break, you're. 388 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: On night Side with Dan Ray on WAZ Boston's news radio. 389 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 2: All right, I want to for those of you who 390 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 2: weren't listening at nine o'clock, here a little bit more 391 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 2: of what Governor Healy said to us during the nine 392 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: o'clock news. During the nine o'clock hour, she has written 393 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: a very strong letter to the Massachusetts Parole Board in 394 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: opposition to the parole of Jose Cologne, the twenty year 395 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 2: old man who in nineteen eighty three decided to end 396 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: the life of Massachusetts State Police Trooper George Hannah by 397 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: shooting him six times at close range, in effect executing 398 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 2: the state police officer. The only reason this guy, who 399 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: was convicted of murder in the first degree by jority 400 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 2: of his peers, has an opportunity to go in front 401 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: of the Parole Board and seek a parole after having 402 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 2: been convicted of murder in the first degree and sentenced 403 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 2: to life in prison without a parole, along with, by 404 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 2: the way, another couple of hundred people under the age 405 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 2: of twenty one who were sitting in prison in Massachusetts 406 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 2: for murder, for being convicted for murder in the first degree, 407 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: which is not an easy conviction to get in Massachusetts 408 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 2: by way, Okay, I mean you have to really show premeditation, deliberation, 409 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 2: and probably some level of specific cruelty to get a 410 00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 2: first degree conviction. There was this decision by the Massachusetts 411 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 2: State Supreme Court last January that changed the rules of 412 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 2: the game. And this is the governor last hour on 413 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 2: night Side speaking. I think from her, from the depths 414 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: of her soul, uh and and her opinion on this, 415 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 2: she is not known as a lock him up and 416 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 2: throw away the key governor. And I'd love to get 417 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 2: your reaction to it. You don't have to be a 418 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 2: supporter of Governor mar Healey to commend her for in 419 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: effect leading the charger to keep this guy behind bars 420 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: because that's what he belongs. Okay, you can have all 421 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 2: of the bleeding hearts talk about everyone deserves a second chance, 422 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 2: not if you've killed a police officer, executed a police 423 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: officer six seven, two, five, four ten thirty or six 424 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 2: one seven, nine ten thirty. Feel free. We're going to 425 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 2: stop talking about this at eleven o'clock. I'm going to 426 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 2: switch topics. So if you want to get into this, 427 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 2: now's the time to call. This is Governor Healy, last 428 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 2: hour on night Side. 429 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 3: You know, these are decisions that I don't make or 430 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 3: undertake lightly. And every day, Dan, I'm making decisions, and 431 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 3: every day there's going to be some who agree with me, 432 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 3: and there are going to be others who don't, And 433 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 3: that's sort of the nature of my line of work, 434 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 3: right But on this, you know, this was a personal 435 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 3: and professional here. You know, I'm somebody who's worked with survivors, 436 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 3: worked with victims of crimes for many, many, many years now, 437 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 3: and it's really important that consideration be paid to not 438 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 3: only the public safety impact in something like a parole 439 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 3: board hearing, but also that the voices of victims and 440 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 3: survivors are heard. And you know, every time I see 441 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 3: Debbie and Kim and others, I mean, there have been 442 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 3: others who have been uh killed in the line of duty. 443 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 3: You know, I think about Michael Chessa and and and 444 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 3: Scott Kenyon. Sure I mean, you know, and it's just 445 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 3: that pain. It doesn't go away, it doesn't lessen for 446 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 3: these families. And to me, I've always looked at it 447 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 3: like these families serve alongside their husband or wife who's 448 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 3: a police officer, right, they do are there, and you know, 449 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 3: it's it's really important. We want to support police, we 450 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 3: want to encourage people to go into policing. And I 451 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 3: believe and it was in my judgment that the Jose 452 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 3: Cologne Hannah's killer should not be released. It doesn't support 453 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 3: law enforcement, it doesn't further public safety because you want 454 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 3: people to know and families to know that if their 455 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 3: son or daughter is going to become a police officer 456 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 3: and put their life on the line, which is what 457 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 3: they do every single day, because things can happen. Accidents 458 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 3: can happen, a killing can happen, right, and it's important 459 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 3: that they know that that we have your back, you know, 460 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 3: and more than anything, you know, sort of from a 461 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 3: personal level, to see the pain and anguish that these 462 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 3: family members live with forty years on in this instance, 463 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 3: you know, that's something that you have to account for, 464 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 3: and you know, it's very hard for family members and 465 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 3: victims and survivors generally to have to relive the horror 466 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 3: of a crime. Right, It's just so so painful, and 467 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 3: that needs to be accounted for. 468 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: I say, hats off tomorrow. Heally, okay. I have agreed 469 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 2: with her on some issues and disagree with her on others, 470 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 2: And I suspect some of you out there have disagreed 471 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 2: with her on a lot of issues, and maybe some 472 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 2: of you have agreed with her on a lot of 473 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 2: issues and disagree on this one. This is an opportunity 474 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,719 Speaker 2: for you to react directly to what the governor has 475 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 2: said on night side, just during the last hour. I 476 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 2: hope this is an important enough subject, the murder of 477 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 2: a police officer and whether or not his killer should 478 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 2: be given parole now the law has changed because of 479 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 2: the State Supreme Court decision. I've tried to explain it 480 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: to people. If you don't understand it, I don't know 481 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 2: how else I can explain it. I would love to 482 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 2: get your reaction, and if you are somebody who believes 483 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 2: the governor did the right thing like I did, I 484 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: would appreciate you giving us a call and expressing that 485 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 2: and having the courage to do that. Six one, seven, 486 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 2: two five four ten thirty six, one seven, nine three, 487 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: one ten thirty new callers are always welcome. This is 488 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: a pretty easy one if you don't have an opinion 489 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 2: on whether or not a cop killer should stay in 490 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 2: jail for the rest of his life. Irrespective of what 491 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 2: the State Supreme Court ruled a year ago in January, 492 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 2: the ruling was they should get a parole hearing, not 493 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: that they should be paroled. Despite the fact that now 494 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 2: seventy six percent of these so called emerging adults of 495 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 2: the fifty two cases have been paroled. That is a 496 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 2: frightening number because when you extrapolate that figure to the 497 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 2: entire prison population, of which there are two hundred people 498 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 2: now who have automatically become parole eligible, you parole three 499 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 2: quarters or seventy six percent of two hundred people, and 500 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 2: you're talking about one hundred and fifty people former convicts 501 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 2: at once they're paroled, who have been convicted of murdering 502 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 2: the first degree on the streets of Massachusetts. That is 503 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 2: frightening in my opinion. Again, the decision from the High 504 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 2: Court was not not that they all should be paroled, 505 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 2: or that most of them should be paroled, or that 506 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: any of them should be paroled. In fact, the Parole 507 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 2: on Board, in my opinion, doesn't have to parole any 508 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 2: of them. Now, maybe there's a couple here or there 509 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 2: in extreme circumstances who might deserve a second chance. I 510 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 2: don't think most of them do. H. Here's the number. 511 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 2: It's pretty simple. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten 512 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 2: thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty. Feel 513 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 2: free to express yourself on night Side, Back on the back. 514 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: Right after this night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ 515 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 516 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 2: Back to the phones we go. Let's go to Francis 517 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 2: in Kingston. Francis, you were next on Nightside. Welcome. 518 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 5: Yeah. 519 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 8: I have a little different perspective on this. I have 520 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 8: guys that I had in class Warwick Jail. I think 521 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 8: some of them are out who uh one of them 522 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 8: Jeffrey Bly and McConnell getting the seas tool guys in September, 523 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 8: early late ninety I think uh followed U D. A. 524 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 8: McLoughlin uh to his car after after he got out 525 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 8: of work. 526 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 2: In West Roxbury. 527 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 8: Yes, ye, yeah, and shot him in the head. I think, 528 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 8: well that that was the accusation, but it's they were 529 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 8: probably well, they were in my ninth grade class. So 530 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 8: do the math. 531 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 7: You know. 532 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 2: Well, I gotta tell you that means that. First of all, 533 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 2: just so you know, I grew up in the house 534 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: that the McLoughlin family lived in in Reville, and his 535 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 2: older brother, Edward McLoughlin was my age. Paul was younger. 536 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 2: I didn't know Paul, but he was an outstanding district attorney, 537 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 2: and you're right he was. That was an assassination of 538 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 2: a public official. 539 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:07,239 Speaker 7: Uh. 540 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 2: And so that means that Jeffrey bly will also and 541 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 2: if if you hear about when his parole hearing is, 542 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 2: I will encourage the governor to take a position on 543 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 2: his parole hearing as well. These people should not be 544 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 2: back on the streets. 545 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 8: Oh, I agree. He was from a street and bat 546 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,719 Speaker 8: of pen no for you know, young guys starting out 547 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 8: with the drug business, very very young. 548 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. I believe that he that McLoughlin was the district 549 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 2: attorney or was the prosecutor in a case against this guy, 550 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 2: and he thought that the best thing he should do 551 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 2: is just kill Paul McLoughlin. You did, And if he 552 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 2: comes up for a parole, please do me a favor 553 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 2: for Incis and keep us UH in contact about that, 554 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 2: because I'll leave the charge on that one for you personally. 555 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 8: Many others though, like Randy Lewis was in my eighth 556 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 8: grade class at the deer bad and he was when 557 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 8: bussing started. He was attacking motorists coming down Harrison at 558 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 8: I think, and he put a brick to a window. 559 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 8: Richard Polite, father of two from jamake a play to 560 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 8: probably on his way to a meatpacking plant, and pulled 561 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 8: him out of the car and smashed his head with 562 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 8: a cement block. 563 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 2: I remember, I remember that was he convicted for murder 564 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 2: in the first degree. 565 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 8: No, I don't play. I don't know they played the 566 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:44,399 Speaker 8: Kevin White got him Halard Door. The best attorneys gign get. 567 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 8: I guess to depend them because it was a black 568 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 8: on white thing. 569 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 6: You know. 570 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 8: Yeah, and that was that was I think he got. 571 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 8: He did seven years. He's he's retired down in North Carolina, 572 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 8: back where he started out, along with Jeffrey, his a cousin. 573 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 8: But there was a whole bunch of them that was 574 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 8: standing around robbing people as they came through the area, 575 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 8: you know. Yeah, And he was he would show up 576 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 8: in the eighth grade only to rob the little kids. 577 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 8: Once a month when the mothers got their checks. You 578 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 8: know they'd committed and bully them to take their money. 579 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. The what I'm looking at here is a story 580 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty three, and it says a black man 581 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 2: who served seven years in prison in the stoning death 582 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 2: of a white man during racial violence in nineteen seventy 583 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 2: six has been freed because the prosecution could not rely 584 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 2: on two key witnesses in a retrial. So Suffolk Superior 585 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 2: Court judge dismissed indictment's Thursday charging Randolph Lewis twenty six 586 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 2: with robbery and assault with intent to murder and the 587 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 2: death of Richard polif So I remember that case, and 588 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 2: now it all comes back to me, Francis. 589 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,959 Speaker 8: After that, big great Goldston from Columbia Point was going 590 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 8: my bus over to South Boston High and raising hell there. 591 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 8: And one day I don't know where he was up 592 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 8: and on Columbia Road, but he saw a white guy 593 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 8: coming out of a convenience store and he got a 594 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 8: baseball man and did the same thing, crushed itself and 595 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 8: he I had his brother. 596 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 2: You taught in a very What school did you teach in, Richard? 597 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 7: I was in. 598 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 8: It was called Boston high work, study, work, hype of 599 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 8: the study, and we went to eleven o'clock in the 600 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 8: morning and then they went out to work and we 601 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 8: had five people finding them jobs and they were pretty good, 602 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 8: you know. 603 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. For instance, have you called before? I don't recognize 604 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 2: your voice. This is your first time call him. 605 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 8: I'm a little under the weather right now, but I 606 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 8: called when the Ukrainian guys. I've been in a lot 607 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 8: of different things, motorcyclists and bicycles. 608 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 2: Well, do me a favorite call more off and you're 609 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 2: an interesting caller. Thank you very much. 610 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 8: Show anyway, happy to do here, Thank you much. 611 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 2: Let me go to Linda in Weymouth. Linda, you went 612 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 2: next on Nightside. You're going to wrap the hour for us. 613 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 7: Go right ahead, Linda, okay, jan I just thought that 614 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 7: I wanted to call. I'm not a fan of Mara Haley, 615 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 7: but I was very pleased to hear her on your 616 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 7: on your show tonight, and I was also very pleased 617 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 7: to stand that she took and the letter that you wrote. 618 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,399 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Thank you very much. Linda. I think 619 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 2: that when a politician does something that is clearly something 620 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,320 Speaker 2: they feel deeply about, and I think it kind of 621 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 2: surprised me a little bit that she was that strong 622 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 2: in the letter. I agreed with her totally. You know, 623 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 2: there were things I agree with her on, some things 624 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 2: I disagree with her on, but I felt that she 625 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 2: took a courageous position. And I'm so glad that you called, 626 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 2: and we would end the two hours on the top 627 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 2: with a with a call like yours, because I think 628 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,919 Speaker 2: it's important in this world in which we live, which 629 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 2: is so divided right now, that when someone who we 630 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 2: might not always agree with does something that we think 631 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 2: is a positive, why not? Why not? 632 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 7: You know? 633 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 2: And it would be good if if more people did that. 634 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 2: And I commend you for it. 635 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,399 Speaker 8: Thank you, Dan, you too, Linda, Thank you very much. 636 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 2: You keep calling the program. Okay, thank you so much. 637 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 2: We'll talk again, Okay, going to take a break and 638 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 2: we come back and to talk about what's going on 639 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 2: in Minneapolis and what has to be done here. I 640 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 2: don't think that ICE is going to retreat, and it 641 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 2: doesn't look like the protest testers, particularly those who are 642 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 2: invested in this philosophically because of their enmity towards ICE, 643 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 2: are going away soon either. So the question becomes what 644 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 2: happens next? Have we reached a breaking point. That's what 645 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about on the other side of eleven 646 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 2: here at night side