WEBVTT - California Prop 50 | White Collar Unionization

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<v Speaker 2>It is a Monday morning, October thirteenth. The Cairo Peace

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<v Speaker 2>Summit is on its way right now. The President just

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<v Speaker 2>arrived in Cairo and his limousine Wistoma off the tarmac

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<v Speaker 2>and he's on his way to meet with twenty world

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<v Speaker 2>leaders as Hamas and Israel signed their cease fire, not

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<v Speaker 2>a formal peace accord yet, where all the terms have

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<v Speaker 2>been finalized. Now let's get local for a moment, and

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<v Speaker 2>this has to do with Prop fifty. Prop fifty is

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<v Speaker 2>the proposition that we're going to see in November next month.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it. It's Prop fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>And the governor put Prop fifty on the ballot and

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<v Speaker 2>there's a special election for one proposition.

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<v Speaker 3>How important is it? It is a butte Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So here is sort of the underlying facts, the backstory here.

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<v Speaker 3>Every ten years the.

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<v Speaker 2>Census comes out with a population where people live in

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<v Speaker 2>California and other states, there is an independent committee that

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<v Speaker 2>decides what the district bounds are.

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<v Speaker 3>Democratic. Well, just what redistricting does.

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<v Speaker 2>What they do is they look at the map and

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<v Speaker 2>they look at demographic changes, and they go, Okay, here

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<v Speaker 2>is the district thing that we're going to do. It's

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<v Speaker 2>independent here in California. And the reason it's independent because

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<v Speaker 2>of the politics, because whoever was in charge, the Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>and the legislature would do a Democratic version and the

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans would do a Republican version just to take advantage

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<v Speaker 2>of the ability to redistrict. And it has to do

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<v Speaker 2>with how many congress people are sent. It's that simple,

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<v Speaker 2>So are sent to Congress. So in California it's an

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<v Speaker 2>independent agency. I think it's four Republicans, four Democrats, and

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<v Speaker 2>a few independent people and politics, by law is not

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to be considered. Okay, that's California. Texas doesn't have that. Texas,

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<v Speaker 2>the legislator can do whatever the hell it wants. The legislature,

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<v Speaker 2>and what they just did is redistrict in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the census midyear because they're able to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>and effectively, what they've done is create five new Republican

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<v Speaker 2>seats because they're able to draw the line around neighborhoods

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<v Speaker 2>and effectively bring purple areas all into a Democratic stronghold

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<v Speaker 2>and all the areas around that are now Republican based

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<v Speaker 2>that's what you can do with the redistricting, and Texas

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<v Speaker 2>just did that. Why did Texas do this because the

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<v Speaker 2>great leader in Washington said, I want you to redistrict,

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<v Speaker 2>and the legislature said, you bet you, mister President, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you want, we're gonna do. So they went ahead and

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<v Speaker 2>did the redistricting. Okay, that's Texas, you're gonna have five

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<v Speaker 2>more Republican congress people. Newsom looks at this and goes,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, if you guys do it, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do it. However, there's a law that says you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a law that says the legislature can't redistrict. It's

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<v Speaker 2>this independent commission. And Newsom says, let's do this. Why

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<v Speaker 2>don't we put on the ballot a measure that undoes

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<v Speaker 2>that law and allow us to do what Texas does

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<v Speaker 2>so we can put democratic congress people, more Democratic congressmen

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<v Speaker 2>women up into Washington. There is Prop fifty. The people

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<v Speaker 2>in favor of Prop fifty, that's an easy one. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we're fighting Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it. Fire with fire.

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<v Speaker 2>The people against Prop fifty are arguing.

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<v Speaker 3>It should be independent.

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<v Speaker 2>How can you take this away from an independent commission.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you going to bring this down to politics? And

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<v Speaker 2>when you ask them how about Texas? The answer is

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<v Speaker 2>it should be independent. We should not have the legislature

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<v Speaker 2>do this. We have an independent commission that is fair.

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<v Speaker 2>But wait a minute, look what Texas did? Deflection, deflection, deflection.

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<v Speaker 2>So now come, well, I just did my ballot and

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<v Speaker 2>I am in favor of Prop fifty.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I had no problem. I do not like what.

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<v Speaker 2>Texas did, or if I did like what Texas did,

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<v Speaker 2>we got to be able to do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>No problem with that.

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<v Speaker 2>So the people who are against Prop fifty are running

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<v Speaker 2>the ads saying fair and we need an independent commission

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<v Speaker 2>and we can't have the legislature involved. Okay, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>when they go to tech Texas, it goes the other

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<v Speaker 2>way naturally. Now, the anti the pro Prop fifty people,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at commercials and I'm going, what are you

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<v Speaker 2>guys doing. So one of the big commercials running is

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<v Speaker 2>they talk about this guy Munger who is put in

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<v Speaker 2>the majority of the money to kill fifty, that he's

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<v Speaker 2>against LBGTQ rights and he's a right winger.

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<v Speaker 3>What does that have to do with ending? And he's

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<v Speaker 3>a bad guy.

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<v Speaker 2>So if he puts money in and he's in favor

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<v Speaker 2>of if he's against fifty, therefore you have to be

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<v Speaker 2>in favor. I don't know why they just the message

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<v Speaker 2>is simple, Hey, Texas is doing this, we have to

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<v Speaker 2>fight Texas Prop fifty. There's the ad.

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<v Speaker 3>There's the ad.

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<v Speaker 2>If they're putting five Republicans up there, we have to

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<v Speaker 2>put five Democrats up there.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it. What am I missing here? What I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't get how how is it any different?

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<v Speaker 1>So Texas is doing it because they're defending themselves against

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrats, right, Okay, because it's now California, which had

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<v Speaker 1>a law, so it is different than Texas because the

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<v Speaker 1>people have already voted on it.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you can do anything based on defending yourself

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<v Speaker 1>against the other side, then no side is wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Texas wasn't wrong in what they did. No, you can't

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<v Speaker 3>at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you can't say California is defending itself against

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<v Speaker 1>Texas because Texas was defending itself against Democrats.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's all it's all the same. It's equally hypocritical.

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<v Speaker 1>It made like the process of them doing it, and

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<v Speaker 1>therefore you stand on that or you don't.

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<v Speaker 3>It's to your point.

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<v Speaker 2>It is uh, Texas has allowed itself or allowed its

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<v Speaker 2>legislature to do this.

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<v Speaker 3>California has not.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Texas allows itself and did do this, the Republicans,

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<v Speaker 2>which control the Texas legislature have given themselves a new advantage.

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<v Speaker 3>Here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>We have five new Republican congress people California, which passed

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<v Speaker 2>the law saying we can't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's now like an amendment for the California

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to over there, overturning an amendment.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, they're overturning a proposition Texas did. Yeah, Texas

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<v Speaker 2>never had this, Texas never had an independence.

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<v Speaker 3>They were allowed to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course they were. It's not a question if

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<v Speaker 2>they're not allowed to do it, it's all we can launch.

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<v Speaker 1>It's wrong for Texas. I think it's wrong for California.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>I think everybody should have independent commissions to take as

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<v Speaker 2>much of the politics out. The problem is the problem

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<v Speaker 2>is it doesn't work that way. It doesn't work that way,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can't come to now we stop the progress.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, absolutely, welcome to America. I mean there is

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<v Speaker 2>only politics, and so the pro Prop fifty people, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pro Prop fifty only because you know what, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not thrilled with the Republicans being in charge of Congress. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have a problem with the Republicans being in

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<v Speaker 2>charge of Congress. What I'm not thrilled with is President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump being in charge of Congress. That's my problem is

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<v Speaker 2>that we don't have a we don't have checks and

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<v Speaker 2>balances anymore, we don't have an independent judiciary.

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<v Speaker 1>And owned by him now because yes, all he's got

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<v Speaker 1>to do is say something and you encounter that's correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Well no, no, no, no, not at all what he says,

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<v Speaker 2>you want the opposite. No, that's not true. That's absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>not true. There's plenty of what he says. I agree with,

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of what I agree with. My problem is whatever

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<v Speaker 2>he says. The legislature, which is supposed to be a

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<v Speaker 2>different branch than the executive, does everything the president wants.

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<v Speaker 2>The President says, you jump off of building. The Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>line up. They're pushing each other out of the way

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<v Speaker 2>to jump off the bill holding first.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why California will do anything against Trump regardless.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, even though they voted.

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<v Speaker 2>For this, Well, California didn't. I mean it was overwhelming.

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<v Speaker 2>California is an overwhelming blue state. But the point is

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<v Speaker 2>is that we're not talking about the California legislature that

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<v Speaker 2>hates everything.

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<v Speaker 3>We're talking about the.

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<v Speaker 2>US Congress and the Democrats hate hate Trump and the

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans love Trump. The only difference is that the Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>will take a bullet for Trump. The legislature there's no

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<v Speaker 2>independence at all. That's the problem I have. That is

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<v Speaker 2>the problem I have. Okay, now that we've told you

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<v Speaker 2>that Neil doesn't know what the hell he's talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>is that right?

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<v Speaker 3>That is completely right. We will not look, we will

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<v Speaker 3>trying to be Trump. Now, No, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Will know a great California tribes. California tribes.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on with casinos and the tribe. Look how

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<v Speaker 2>late we're going because of you, Neil. Now, let's get local.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The Indian tribes in California have a deal with California,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is they have exclusivity for gambling. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>that was given to the Indian tribes, started with the

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<v Speaker 2>bingo stuff, and now you've got a whole it's basically

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<v Speaker 2>Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, we go there.

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<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, Tim Conway has his birthday

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<v Speaker 2>party next week, which Neil and I and whoever else

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be there. And it's owned by an

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<v Speaker 2>Indian tribe and it's gambling.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's a full casino.

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<v Speaker 2>So there are also card rooms you go to commerce

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<v Speaker 2>for example, these massive card rooms where you play poker

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<v Speaker 2>and you also gamble, and what the Indians, the tribes

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<v Speaker 2>have said, no, no, that's illegal because that's in violation

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<v Speaker 2>of our agreement. And they've sued, and they have gone togslature,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have gone crazy, and they've lost it every turn.

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<v Speaker 2>They've lost every single time. So what happened was last

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<v Speaker 2>year Governor Newsom allowed them to sue the card rooms

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<v Speaker 2>over the claim that they have exclusive rights to offer

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<v Speaker 2>Las Vegas style gambling in the States. Now there's a

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<v Speaker 2>little crinkle here, a little wrinkle, and that is the

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<v Speaker 2>tribes are sovereign governments, so they couldn't sue private businesses.

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<v Speaker 2>So they were not allowed to sue on that level.

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<v Speaker 2>So Newsom signed a bill which gave the tribes one

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<v Speaker 2>shot to resolve their dispute in Sacramento. One shot go

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<v Speaker 2>to Court once and the Superior Court judge Lory Damrell

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<v Speaker 2>dismissed the tribe's case, saying, Nope, you have nothing here.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is that because of the merits? Because you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's not fair, because every treaty the United States

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<v Speaker 2>ever had with Indian tribes was broken. And response to that,

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<v Speaker 2>here's what we're giving you exclusive rights to gambling. California

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<v Speaker 2>is a total non gambling state, except now it's opened up.

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<v Speaker 2>And the I was always in favor, always in favor

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<v Speaker 2>of Indian tribes getting those casino rights because the way

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<v Speaker 2>the US government treated Native Americans is like beyond horrible.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm fine with that. I'm also fine with you

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<v Speaker 3>know the card halls, you know the card rooms. Why not? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>what do the card rooms do?

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<v Speaker 2>They take away business from the casinos, don't they?

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<v Speaker 3>So it's over. And here's what the judge said. It

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<v Speaker 3>has nothing to do with the merits of the case.

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<v Speaker 2>It's federal law controls this, and you're relying on state

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<v Speaker 2>law and you're relying on what the state can and

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<v Speaker 2>cannot do.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not where you go. It's federal law that controls this.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, You're done, chow baby, and Of course, the

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<v Speaker 2>card room industry applauded and went, just this is fantastic

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<v Speaker 2>and I love this. You can tell that someone has

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<v Speaker 2>hired a pr person to write this crap. We are

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<v Speaker 2>encouraged by today's decision. Fair enough, that's the California Gaming

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<v Speaker 2>Association president.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's a fun one.

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<v Speaker 2>Our member card rooms will continue to support good jobs,

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<v Speaker 2>vital public services, local economies across California while upholding the

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<v Speaker 2>highest standards of integrity, accountability, and compliance. As people jump

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<v Speaker 2>off of the parking structures because they lost all of

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<v Speaker 2>their money in the card rooms, but we offer to

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<v Speaker 2>clean the pavements. We will press your wash the payments

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<v Speaker 2>every time someone's head hits the pavement after they commit suicide.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, you know what, go figure.

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<v Speaker 2>The chairperson of the California Nation's Indian Gaming Association said

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<v Speaker 2>this outcome is especially troubling given it was a state

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<v Speaker 2>law and acted just last year that explicitly gave tribes

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<v Speaker 2>standing in state court, and the judge said, nah, federal

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<v Speaker 2>law controls here, and the tribe's lawsuit alleged that all

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<v Speaker 2>of those gambling halls throughout California.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the biggest one is it in commerce?

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<v Speaker 2>I was just driving the station from my house in

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<v Speaker 2>Orange County the other day. There's a big sign going

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<v Speaker 2>along the five and those big sign in commerce as

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<v Speaker 2>the world's largest card room is there. I have no

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<v Speaker 2>idea I've been to. I don't think I've been to

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<v Speaker 2>a card room once or twice when I really I

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<v Speaker 2>was driving along the freeway and I really had to

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<v Speaker 2>pee and it was desperate, so I pulled in and Man,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you one thing. The people that go to

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<v Speaker 2>those card rooms, these are not people that go to

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<v Speaker 2>the Venetian in Las Vegas to gamble.

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<v Speaker 3>Not quite.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a real lorez is the type of clientele that

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<v Speaker 1>goes to a curry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's a pretty interesting group of people that

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<v Speaker 2>go to those card rooms.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So in any case, the the the tribes, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>are appealing everything that's happening, and they're saying that those

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<v Speaker 2>card rooms are illegally offering card games blackjack and pie

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<v Speaker 2>goal poker that they now offer and that's cutting into

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<v Speaker 2>the tribes gambling revenues. Think about this, It all started

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<v Speaker 2>with bingo at the tribes at the inside the reservations.

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<v Speaker 2>A quick word before we bail out of here and

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<v Speaker 2>go to. The next topic is on Friday, we do

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<v Speaker 2>Ask Handle Anything, and it's all about you recording phone calls,

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<v Speaker 2>asking me all kinds of personal fun questions and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what they are, and it's all about humiliating me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the whole point of the process. And Neil chooses

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<v Speaker 2>the questions and we run them, we broadcast them, and

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<v Speaker 2>I hear him, you hear them for the first time,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just great fun. So here's how you do

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<v Speaker 2>it during the course of the show, and it has

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<v Speaker 2>to be during the show, even starting at five am

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<v Speaker 2>with wake up call. You go to the iHeartRadio app,

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<v Speaker 2>turn on the just click onto the Bill Handle show

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<v Speaker 2>and then you will click on to the microphone in

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<v Speaker 2>the upper right hand corner. You click on that and

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<v Speaker 2>that starts the recording. You have fifteen twenty seconds to

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<v Speaker 2>ask ask handle anything, all right. So those are fun

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<v Speaker 2>and without you it doesn't work. So go ahead and

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<v Speaker 2>embarrass me and you humiliate me fair enough.

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<v Speaker 3>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, let me tell you what's going on in the

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<v Speaker 2>world of commerce, business the workplace here in the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is unionization, white collar unionization. Now you don't

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<v Speaker 2>think of white collar jobs as being unionized, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>law firms. I mean, who unionizes a law firm? You don't.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually it's blue collar.

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<v Speaker 2>It's your electricians, it's your plumbers, it's people that do labor.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm talking about union labor. We're talking pretty high

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<v Speaker 2>level labor. I'm not just talking about guys who dig ditches.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about and by the way, they have labor

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<v Speaker 2>unions too in the construction industry. Nope, we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>unionizing jobs that heretofore were not unionized. Oh here's a

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<v Speaker 2>little factoid. Oh I love this. Okay, what was the

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<v Speaker 2>first union in the United States? Neil, any idea. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a it's not even a trick question. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>a historical tidbit.

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<v Speaker 3>Was it cars? Cars?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No, no, it goes back further than that a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. Seventeen ninety four? Really, yeah, yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 2>the word waners union guys who made Guys who made shoes,

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<v Speaker 2>not cobblers. Cobblers, by the way, are repair shoes. Early on,

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't make shoes, of course at all, morphed into one.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was the.

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<v Speaker 2>Cord weaners union shoe guys who made shoes out of leather.

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<v Speaker 2>New leather didn't repair. That was the first union that

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't dangerous. It was just the unionized. That's all

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<v Speaker 2>they decided. You know why, why is the union created

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<v Speaker 2>better benefits, work conditions, better money.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what unions are about.

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<v Speaker 2>And therein lies a story that has to be told

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<v Speaker 2>about unions, and that is a little bit of the

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<v Speaker 2>history of the unions.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>They are critical to any workforce and any economy. They

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<v Speaker 2>are the most dangerous for any workforce or any economy,

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<v Speaker 2>and it depends on the historical cycle.

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<v Speaker 3>Desperately needed.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, in the late eighteen hundreds, because you had

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<v Speaker 2>the economy the Industrial Revolution, which wiped out the ability

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<v Speaker 2>of a workingman to make any money. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 2>robber barons took it over. And then you had the

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<v Speaker 2>economy swinging the other way back in the fifties, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>where unions were insanely.

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<v Speaker 3>Powerful, way too much.

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<v Speaker 2>Today they very few people are unionized, but they're moving

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<v Speaker 2>into unionization.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll explain what that is.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's a personal story or two I want

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<v Speaker 2>to share with you the unionization of America and the workforce.

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<v Speaker 2>We are also unionized here at KFI, at least the

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<v Speaker 2>quote talent.

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<v Speaker 3>I love they call us talent.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know where they ever came up with that concept.

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<v Speaker 2>Talent anybody behind a microphone. We are members of sag AFTRA,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Screen Actors Guilt, which is not us, but

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<v Speaker 2>the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists. We are artists, fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not just workers in radio, right, We're not just

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<v Speaker 2>people who put together things and are manufacturing.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we are artists. We are artists.

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<v Speaker 1>The listeners ears are your canvas.

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<v Speaker 3>God, life is hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, We're gonna finish it up with the unionization of

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<v Speaker 2>white collar jobs. Employees at law firms and banks and

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<v Speaker 2>tech companies which we never heard about unionizing. Well, guess

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<v Speaker 2>what they're unionizing. And the reason is that jobs are

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<v Speaker 2>scarcer now AI is taking over. Entry level jobs are

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<v Speaker 2>basically gone. At tech firms, they don't exist.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And law firms, for example, new lawyers, well a research.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>You no longer need researchers, so fewer lawyers are being hired.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it goes across the board. So what's the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>Unionize and unions do two things. One Uh, they better

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<v Speaker 2>better benefits, better pay better work conditions, and they keep

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<v Speaker 2>you working. And herein lies the problem with unions. Unions

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<v Speaker 2>are either priceless or they can really screw things up.

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<v Speaker 2>How powerful can unions be. I'm going to give you

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<v Speaker 2>an example. One of the most powerful unions that an

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<v Speaker 2>early union were the railroad rail employees railroad workers you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm engineers, the guys who run rail railroads, the engines,

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<v Speaker 2>and the caboosemen.

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<v Speaker 3>Now what is the caboozman. Well, if you look at any.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the the films deal with early trains or the

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<v Speaker 2>steam trains, and you see a caboose at the back

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<v Speaker 2>of the train, and the caboosemen they're the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>picked up the mail, for example, that were hanging on

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<v Speaker 2>this device, hanging on a hook, because that's the way

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<v Speaker 2>mail was picked up so the train didn't have to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a bunch of reasons you would have a caboose. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't need caboose people anymore. So how powerful was

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<v Speaker 2>the union, Well, you didn't need caboose people anymore, but

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<v Speaker 2>they kept the cabooses and per the union rules, there

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<v Speaker 2>were caboozmen sitting in the cabooses that did nothing except

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<v Speaker 2>play cards. Actually it was a single caboose man who

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<v Speaker 2>would just sit there because the union rules, the negotiations

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<v Speaker 2>were there. Then it gets one better when the trains

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<v Speaker 2>no longer had cabooses.

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<v Speaker 3>And the union said, okay, they didn't mind.

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<v Speaker 2>But they still had caboose men who weren't on the cabooses,

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<v Speaker 2>who still got paid. That is a union, I'm telling you,

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<v Speaker 2>that is a powerful union.

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<v Speaker 3>So the point is it gets ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>On the other hand, look at the history of unions

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<v Speaker 2>when the workforce was working, when they had kids working

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen hour days, six days a week or six and

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<v Speaker 2>a half days a week, and you had, starting at

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<v Speaker 2>the modern day union starting in the late eighteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 2>first one being the Ladies garment workers because women were

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<v Speaker 2>working in these sweatshops, so that became a powerful union.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you had the car the automotive workers, which

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<v Speaker 2>Henry Ford just did everything he could to break the unions,

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<v Speaker 2>even the point we're sending in goons to kill people literally,

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<v Speaker 2>to attack union members with bats, with weapons in some

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<v Speaker 2>cases there were. It was horrific. The history of why

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<v Speaker 2>unions were needed today by the fifties, well, even get

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<v Speaker 2>to the point where you have cabuzmen. So it depends

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<v Speaker 2>on unions, and depends union labor always does better.

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<v Speaker 3>For the workers, almost always.

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<v Speaker 2>And management companies hate unions hate them why because they

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<v Speaker 2>don't decide how much the employees get paid as a

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<v Speaker 2>negotiation with the union.

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<v Speaker 3>Collective bargaining does it.

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<v Speaker 2>And whenever on handle on the laws, someone calls me

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<v Speaker 2>about a problem with a company. I've been fired, I've

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<v Speaker 2>been transferred. They won't give me a raise. They promised.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm been there for twenty years and they promised me.

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<v Speaker 2>This first thing I said, are you unionized? And if

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<v Speaker 2>the answer is yes, go to your union rep. They

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<v Speaker 2>have power. That's where you want to go. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you are working in a bank, in a law firm,

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<v Speaker 2>tech companies, be prepared to unionize. It's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 2>good thing for you, assuming you still have a job,

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<v Speaker 2>which you probably won't.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it, guys, We're done.

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<v Speaker 2>Gary and Shannon are up next tomorrow morning all over

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<v Speaker 2>again with Amy and Will Will Coleschreiber, who will be

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<v Speaker 2>eating the entire show. Yes, and then Neil and I

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<v Speaker 2>come aboard at six am and we're here till nine.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course Ann and Kono. I have no idea

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<v Speaker 2>what they do, but they do something on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we're done.

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