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Speaker 3: And now that we get these entertainers, these you know,

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Speaker 1: I can't get Dave to to be on Twitter because

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Speaker 4: I doubt very seriously if I would constitute a viral

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Speaker 5: That's it, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, I was wondering how much coaching, you know,

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Speaker 3: Going to add more padded practices because they're trying to

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Speaker 4: At the NFL level, sure, I think I think attention

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Speaker 4: No, we've never the league league is head coaches want.

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Speaker 4: Plus he saw how he interacted with the most important

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Speaker 3: And that's why the coaches who consistently, you know, just

439
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Speaker 3: hook up their friends and when it doesn't work out,

440
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 3: it will never work out because you're when you get

441
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Speaker 3: a second job, you're going to bring the same guys around. Yeah,

442
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,959
Speaker 3: you know, when I was here with the Broncos at

443
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Speaker 3: first and they hired vic I don't know if you

444
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Speaker 3: guys remember, but it was rumors that Gary Kubiak was

445
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 3: supposed to be the offensive coordinator. That wasn't a rumor

446
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 3: that that was happened. It was supposed to happen. They

447
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 3: did not want the on line coach and another coach

448
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 3: to come back with him, and that that's true too,

449
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 3: because they didn't like the way they worked. But even

450
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Speaker 3: though they had won the Super Bowl, they weren't they before.

451
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Speaker 3: They weren't happy with what these coaches had done, and

452
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Speaker 3: they weren't a them before. They didn't want to bring

453
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Speaker 3: them back again. But that's what happens in the league.

454
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 3: These coaches travel and they bring people with them and

455
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 3: a lot of times and that's why I have a

456
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 3: hard time believing if it doesn't work out in one place,

457
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 3: it's probably not going to work out another because you're

458
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 3: probably bringing the same staff. And the most important part

459
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 3: of the staff is not necessarily the head coach, it's

460
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Speaker 3: the assistant coaches. So if you keep bringing your friends

461
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 3: around and they suck and to just not good coaches

462
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Speaker 3: and that they were, and they just don't do their

463
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Speaker 3: job to a satisfactory standard, and you keep bringing them around,

464
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 3: you're never going to get the same you know, you're

465
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 3: going to keep getting the same response, the same result.

466
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Speaker 3: So that's why I'm a believer of it doesn't really

467
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Speaker 3: matter if you're friends with somebody. I just want the

468
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Speaker 3: best staff. And obviously I get it, you don't want,

469
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Speaker 3: you know, people going against you. You don't want a mutiny

470
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Speaker 3: to happen.

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Speaker 5: That's fair.

472
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Speaker 3: But do you want to win games? That's really, for

473
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Speaker 3: me the most important part. And sometimes you might have

474
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Speaker 3: to work with somebody you might not get along with

475
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 3: the best, but you have to have a respect for them.

476
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Speaker 3: He's the best coach possible.

477
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Speaker 4: See, that's the hardest thing I think in terms of

478
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Speaker 4: hiring coaches. If you haven't worked with the guy I mean,

479
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Speaker 4: if you hired a head coach. Let's just say part

480
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 4: of Clint Kubiak's deal in Las Vegas was, listen, you

481
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Speaker 4: can't bring any of the guys that you've ever worked

482
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Speaker 4: with before.

483
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Speaker 5: I mean, that would be an arduous task.

484
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Speaker 4: How does Clint kubiac going to know he wants to

485
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Speaker 4: interview Shelby as a defensive line coach. Well, the information

486
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Speaker 4: he has is through the grapevine is what people that

487
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Speaker 4: Shelby has coached before have said about him.

488
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Speaker 5: It's a coach that me.

489
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Speaker 4: Clint Kubiak knows Ryan, who's coach the Dolphins. I call

490
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Speaker 4: him say, what do you think about Shelby? Harris, Well,

491
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Speaker 4: I've heard he does this. He's good, good, but it's

492
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Speaker 4: all that networking thing. But if you mean it's Shelby's theoretically,

493
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Speaker 4: Shelby's point is true, but I think it's really challenging

494
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Speaker 4: to find. It's It's why the cutting edge like offensive,

495
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 4: the young offensive coaches are you know, always coveted because

496
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 4: those veteran head coaches are looking for.

497
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Speaker 5: Okay, what is what does Cliff Kingsbury do here?

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Speaker 4: Because even though he didn't win a lot of games

499
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Speaker 4: in his Arizona, you know, put up a lot of

500
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 4: points and what did you do in Washington when he

501
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 4: was there. They're trying, you're trying to supplement your staff

502
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 4: with ideas more than particular coaches and their coaching style.

503
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Speaker 1: Well, and then you're seeing guys like Cliff Kingsbury, for example,

504
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: maybe take a position coach role. They take more of

505
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: an analyst role with it with an organization.

506
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Speaker 4: That I think is a smart hire by Sean McVay. Yeah,

507
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Speaker 4: I mean, rest assured as bright as Sean is. Sean

508
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 4: will be picking Cliff Kingsbury's brain about hey man, so

509
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 4: you know, give me all the sort of what sort

510
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 4: of checks do you have when you get too empty?

511
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 4: And what do you do against this? And that's that's

512
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 4: just how coaches. Coaches steal from coaches, like all the

513
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Speaker 4: friggin time. I can't tell you how much over thirty

514
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 4: three years, as I'm just a high school coach, but

515
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 4: watching college tape and NFL tape, you try to find

516
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 4: things that you can then sort of not dumb down,

517
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Speaker 4: but so you can implement them at the high school

518
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Speaker 4: level that it's a good concept that you feel like

519
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 4: your team would benefit from do that you spend I

520
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 4: mean a ton of time in the I mean the

521
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Speaker 4: next two weeks. For me, I'll bet three hours a

522
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Speaker 4: day I will be on the iPad looking at stuff

523
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Speaker 4: that the Dolphins did last year in the running game,

524
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Speaker 4: or stuff that Indiana this year. In college football, you

525
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 4: get access to all of those, all twenty twos in

526
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Speaker 4: zone copies.

527
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Speaker 5: You have access to it.

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Speaker 4: And so I think you do a disservice to your

529
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Speaker 4: team if you don't take that time and try to

530
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Speaker 4: find ways to get better.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say you're not just high school coach.

532
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Speaker 5: You're damn good high school coach. Everyone is the best

533
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Speaker 5: of the country. Appreciate, I think.

534
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Speaker 3: But what I will say when it, you know, comes

535
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 3: to that is every week, you know is the flavor

536
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 3: of the week. What is the flavor of the week.

537
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Speaker 3: And the biggest thing I guess people need to realize

538
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 3: about the NFL, like what Dave says, is they steal.

539
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 3: They steal everything. If the week before that team sees

540
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 3: a certain type of run happen and it works the

541
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Speaker 3: next week, even if that team does not run that play,

542
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 3: you will see that play happen, no doubt, because that's

543
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 3: just how the NFL works. Everybody steals from each other. Everybody,

544
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 3: you know, takes a piece of what they think they

545
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: can use in their offense and they kind of change it.

546
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Speaker 3: And I think with Kingsbury going to the Rams, you

547
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 3: will see some tweaks of that Nickveigh offense, and I

548
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 3: think that's a dynamic duo right there. I think they're

549
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 3: gonna be able to come up with some some kookie

550
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Speaker 3: things that we probably haven't seen before.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, at that point, you're you're sort of taking

553
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Speaker 1: two of the best minds in the game in a

554
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: lot of ways, right and then being able to and

555
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Speaker 1: I guess that's probably how you stay on the cutting

556
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: edge in a lot of ways, because you know everybody's

557
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: borrowing anyways. But this is a way where you could

558
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: take Sean mcvay's offense, which everybody seems to want a

559
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 1: piece of, and then sort of take it into the

560
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Speaker 1: next level. I like that one last thing on this

561
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Speaker 1: because I think this is a fascinating conversation. And I'm

562
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Speaker 1: sure you guys have examples of this because you kind

563
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: of brought it up about sometimes a coach is trying

564
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 1: to tell you to do something and you're like, that

565
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: just doesn't make a lot of sense. As a player,

566
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: professional player, what are you do in that situation when

567
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: you have a position coach is maybe giving you advice

568
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: because you've had several they are probably all having different things.

569
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Speaker 1: So I remember Garrett Bull's talking about that specifically, I

570
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: had like nine different coaches over the first part of

571
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: his career, and they're all trying to coach me different ways.

572
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 5: What do you do?

573
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: What are you supposed to do in that case?

574
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Speaker 4: I think coaches, for I mean, I think players for

575
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,719
Speaker 4: the most part, are pretty smart, and I think, as

576
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 4: Shelby said, you've got some I mean this is not

577
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 4: throwing shade intentionally at the NFL, but you have you

578
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 4: have some coaches in the l that I don't think

579
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 4: are very good coaches, and because they're in the NFL,

580
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 4: people think like, okay, that's the ultimate it is. But

581
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 4: you know, how did you get there, and how do

582
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 4: you stay there? And most importantly, how do you make

583
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 4: your players better? I will say this, I played in

584
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 4: the league a long time broadcast.

585
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: There.

586
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 4: I bet in thirty three years as a high school coach,

587
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 4: I've met a handful of high school coaches that I

588
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 4: think are better coaches than guys I've encountered at the

589
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 4: college level. Now they just are they choose to stay

590
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 4: in high school. But many I'm just telling you, you know,

591
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 4: you sit and get on a board. I mean, if

592
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 4: you want to know what a coach knows and how

593
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 4: he teaches it, take an hour and get on a

594
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: whiteboard and start talking concepts, and hey, what do you

595
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 4: do if this, if this is.

596
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 5: The front, what do you do? You'll find out quickly, right.

597
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 4: But to your point, I think players in the NF

598
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 4: well just have to know that's part of the deal.

599
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 4: You're gonna you're gonna have, hopefully you know, a good

600
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 4: coach or two really good that can help you get better.

601
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 4: You're gonna have a coach that maybe he's trying his

602
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 4: ass off, but you know almost immediately, Okay, you know,

603
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 4: I'm gonna let him coach me, but I don't trust

604
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 4: what he's saying. What he's saying to me, I know

605
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 4: that's not true. Now, in terms of the pushback, you

606
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 4: only to me, at least, you only push back if

607
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 4: he really wants to continue to thrust and say, hey,

608
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 4: you know I've told you about this, we got to

609
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 4: get to this or this depth or whatever. Then to me,

610
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 4: you go in and have a conversation with him, like, listen,

611
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 4: there's no way that that makes sense, you know from

612
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 4: that from that angle at sixteen, I'm gonna be there

613
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 4: before you get you know that, and try to try

614
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 4: to make your point, but yeah, you're not gonna You're

615
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 4: not gonna be blessed with like the absolute best position

616
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 4: coach your entire career.

617
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 5: That just doesn't happen.

618
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: And that's what I expected when I got into the league.

619
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 5: Me too.

620
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: Oh it's the NFL, We're going to have the best coaches,

621
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 3: and I was. It was a sad moment when I

622
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: realized that these coaches don't know anything. Most of these

623
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 3: coaches really are just here because they know somebody. Like

624
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,719
Speaker 3: I said before, but it was a sad day when

625
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 3: we figured out that, like I know more than the coaches.

626
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 3: And that's not even being full of yourself. That's the truth.

627
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: Like these coaches will just will come here and they

628
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 3: will they could be a kicker in the coaching d line.

629
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 5: Or you know what I mean, no kickers coaching. I'm

630
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 5: just saying, what the hell you talking?

631
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: What I will say is I did have a and

632
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 3: I had a coach before it was O lineman and

633
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 3: he played D three O line and he ended up

634
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 3: being the D line coach. And I remember one time

635
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: he told me, you know, I want you to girls

636
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: the ball and I want you to put your hands

637
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: up like a triangle and put your hands up on

638
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: one part of the shoulder pad and push. I was like,

639
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 3: that makes no damn sense. As a D lineman is what.

640
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: I only put my hands on one part of your

641
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: shoulder pad. And the next year he was a kicking coach.

642
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: It's just amazing story. That's amazing. But like that's the

643
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 3: thing though, It's like sometimes you listen, like they said,

644
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: you listen to coaches and you realize it's like he

645
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 3: doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, and it's

646
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: a very humbling thing because you have to figure out

647
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: and you have to have a conversation with your D

648
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: line about, hey, it's really just us in here, so

649
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: we have to figure out how we're going to hold

650
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: each other accountable, how we're going to work at practice,

651
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: how we are going to actually do things to get

652
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 3: better because the coaches are helping us.

653
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Speaker 2: That's fascinating stuff, man, very very cool.

654
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Speaker 1: All right, we'll come back As I mentioned, Adam Schefter

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Speaker 2: We'll get to the next