1 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Six seven hundred, Put you out w Can Cincinnati, Texa 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: as Illusion, Paramkee Tope Shelted Round Table show. We're hanging 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: at it long Next he a Wilder, Lance McAlister Rocky Boyman. 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: It's all brought to you in part by Hawksworth Blood Centers, 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: Hawksworth Donors Save Lives Close to Home. Who will you say? 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Let's turn to our feature guest every week at this time, 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: he's all over the Bengals for cl nscinceiwithy dot Com, 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: host of the wildly popular Jungle Roar podcast on YouTube. 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: That would be Mike Petralia. How are you. 10 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: I'm doing well, Lanced Rocky. Been kind of an eventful 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: week at pay for Stadium with regard to a certain 12 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 2: quarterback matas speculation out there about what was said, what 13 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: he meant to say, and I'm sure we're going to 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: get into that, but it's it's never a dull moment 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: when you're on the Bengals feet, that is for sure. 16 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: No doubt. A perfect segue to the obvious first question. 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: You were in the room yesterday in the moment you 18 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: ask a great follow up question to Joe and just 19 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: kind of as you've had time to process and think 20 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: about it over the last twenty four hours. What did 21 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: you make of Joe Burrow's reflections on life and career yesterday. 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: Well, it's always dangerous business in our industry lands to 23 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: read body language and then draw a conclusion based on 24 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: that body language. But certainly there was something on Joe's mind. 25 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: And my question was right to the point, was it 26 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: football related? Was it personal? And he said all of 27 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 2: the above. Well to me, if it was just purely personal, 28 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: I think he would have led on to that. I 29 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: don't think he was playing forty chess in terms of 30 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: trying to disguise something in his personal life by saying 31 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: it was both football and personal. I think he was 32 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: legitimately he had something on his mind that were troubling. 33 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: I think is a fair word. He was very much 34 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: not himself. He was very distracted when he entered that 35 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: room yesterday, and it became apparent, you know, he kind 36 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: of gaged short, very truncated answers to the questions that 37 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: were being asked, and then eventually I just got to 38 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: the point where I was wondering, Okay, is this football related? 39 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: Is it personal? And when he said that, I think 40 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: there was a point a madness, a method to his madness, 41 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: I should say. And I don't think Joe ever answers 42 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: anything by accident. I always think there's a purpose to 43 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: his answers. And I think he's been very bothered by 44 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: this season from a professional level, certainly with the team 45 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: being four and nine, him doing everything in his power 46 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 2: to get back and play, and you know, they win 47 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: their first game back with him at the Helm. Maybe 48 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: he should have played against the Patriot, It's maybe not. 49 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 2: And then they blow the game last week against Buffalo, 50 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: and you know, barring a miracle, Burrow is going to 51 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 2: miss the playoffs for a third straight year. But he 52 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: also brought up the fact that he's been through so much, 53 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: more so than other quarterbacks in the NFL, and he's 54 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 2: been through so much and he still wants to play. 55 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 2: And that's something that Jamar Chase pointed out today in 56 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: his gathering with the media, And you know, Jamarrow was 57 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: giving it to us saying, you guys are always trying 58 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: to create some type of narrative, always trying to stir 59 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: the pot, and we came back at Jamar saying, no, 60 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: we just want to know if you have any perspective 61 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: that could clarify the matter, and he told us today. 62 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: All I can tell you is Joe Burrows still loves football. 63 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: He still loves preparing. He loves the whole act of 64 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: coming in to the building and getting ready to play 65 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: the game this coming Sunday. So that was the perspective 66 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: from Jamar Chase today, and I think it was good perspective. 67 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 3: In the end. 68 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: I don't think Joe Burrow is trying to shoot himself 69 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: out of town. I would never go that far. I 70 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: think he was just having a rough day and there 71 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 2: was a lot on his mind. 72 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 3: So let's dive into that further. You know, Joe is 73 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: I think, very good with his power of persuasion, right 74 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 3: when he uses the microphone to kind of get things 75 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 3: that he wants. So did you see it more as hey, 76 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 3: this is a guy that's really kind of down on 77 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 3: his luck and and everything. Or was he using this, 78 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: as you know, kind of as a message to the 79 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 3: front office like, hey, man, like you we got to 80 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 3: do something to build this franchise back here or else 81 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 3: kind of deal? 82 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: I would say the latter. Rocky, He certainly did it 83 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 2: last year with Tea and Jamar more so with t 84 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 2: because I think the Jamar stuff was the FATA complay 85 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 2: that had to be done. But I think when he 86 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: brought Tea into the mix and said, we really need 87 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 2: both of these guys back at the offic is going 88 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: to be or what I think it can be and 89 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: what I think we all know it can be, so 90 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 2: he's done it before. I do think there's some credibility 91 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: to what you're suggesting, Rocky, that he may have been 92 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: laying a very subtle message, a very subtle groundwork in 93 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: terms of I'm not happy. I think you can read 94 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 2: it in my body language. We have got to get 95 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 2: our act together, cleaning it up a little bit there. 96 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: Got to get our act together and make sure that 97 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: this doesn't happen next year. I would love to ask, 98 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: and he's never going He's going to say. If I 99 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 2: asked the question, what kind of changes do you want 100 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: to see happen, He's going to say, my job is 101 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: to play football. I lead the football decisions to the 102 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: football people. That's what he said last year, and I 103 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: don't think there's any reason he would change that messaging publicly, 104 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: but behind closed doors, I'm sure he is. You know, 105 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: either it has or will let Katie Troy Mike and 106 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 2: certainly Duke all know where what he feels about the 107 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 2: current situation. 108 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: Treig's also believe it was you that asked him about 109 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: keeping his finger on the pulse of the energy in 110 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: the locker room now at four and nine, do you 111 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: sense any wavering this week now at four and nine, 112 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: with the decks so stacked against this team. 113 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,239 Speaker 2: I don't, And that's a great question. 114 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 3: Lance. 115 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: You know, sometimes again with the body language and the 116 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: atmosphere when you read it in the locker room and 117 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: the players are listening to music and relaxing, and you know, 118 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: people aren't really quiet and somber. You could take that. 119 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: If you're from the outside, you could take that as well. 120 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: These guys don't take their job seriously. They're not upset 121 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: like the fans are upset. But then you take a 122 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 2: step back and you realize, and Rocky, I'm sure you 123 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 2: can speak to this. It's their job, and you can't 124 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: be serious twenty four hours a day. You can't be 125 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: upset twenty four hours a day. You waste too much 126 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: and you expend too much energy being upset. So you 127 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: do your job to the best of your ability. In 128 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: the morning, you go out, you have a good practice, 129 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 2: good walk through, whatever, and then you come back in 130 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: the locker room and unwind for half an hour. There's 131 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: nothing wrong with that. But what Joe Burrow told me 132 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: yesterday was the fact that he likes the energy. He 133 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: likes the way everybody is working hard to get better, 134 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: and I think that's significant. I think the fact that 135 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow made a point of saying that the energy 136 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: in the locker room is in a good place is 137 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 2: indicative of what he feels about, at least the mental 138 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: approach to the players there at the talent level, and 139 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: perhaps the positions they are being put in during a game. 140 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: Maybe that's a different matter and subject altogether. 141 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 3: Try I'm not sure if t has been officially ruled 142 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 3: out or not, but he's been in a concussion protocol. 143 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 3: What's and now you know, no Jermaine Burton. Not that 144 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: that's a big deal when it comes to that, but 145 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 3: any word on how his role is going to be filled, 146 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 3: what other players may be more in the mix this week. 147 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: So he was again limited today, Rocky, and that means 148 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: he's pretty much in the same spot he was last week. 149 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: If he can get if he can clear protocol by 150 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: the time you know, Tomorrow ends, and he goes through 151 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: the Friday practice at full participation, he could be cleared 152 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: in theory to go on Sunday. And I think there's 153 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 2: a misperception that the team has a lot to do 154 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 2: with this. I don't think they do. It's more a 155 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 2: medical decision. And if the player feels ready to go 156 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 2: and and he has been cleared medically to go, meaning 157 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: he is non symptomatic, then it's up to the player 158 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: to play, and if he wants to play, he'll play. 159 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: And you know, some people may think that's reckless for 160 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 2: the team to let him go out and play, but again, 161 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 2: if the player feels like he is asymptomatic and feels 162 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: fine to play, then he's going to play. 163 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 3: I do. 164 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: I am sympathetic to those who believe that this guy's 165 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: come off one concussion and symptoms of a second, and 166 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: there is a fine life. There is some you know, 167 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: medical innuendo there in discernment to be taken into consideration 168 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 2: the difference between the two. But he had one concussion 169 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 2: and he had symptoms of a second, and if you know, 170 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: the team is cautious, maybe they hold him out. But again, 171 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: I think the final decision is up to t Higgins. 172 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: Trags, you were all over all of this for more 173 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: tell listeners how they could read, watch and follow. 174 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: All right, telling us symphony with a Y dot com. 175 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to have a column up for tonight's flash 176 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: tomorrow morning regarding what Jamar Chase said today and taking 177 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 2: twenty four hours to kind of digest, like we said 178 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: at the top of the conversation about what Joe Burrow 179 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: said on Wednesday. Dot column will be up on Stealing 180 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 2: us since with a Y dot com. We'll also have 181 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: a preview up for this weekend's Ravens Bengals game. You 182 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: can follow all of my content on the act, including 183 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: locker room interviews at trags t rgs and of course 184 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: the Jungle War Bengals podcast page that is at YouTube 185 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 2: dot com slash Jungle War Pod. 186 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: Love it, Thank you, Trags. We'll talk next week 187 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: All right, gentlemen, take care you Trags all over it 188 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: on the Bengals Beat.