1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray w BZY, Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 2: I want to thank my guess last hour, Bill Stewart, 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: he of the Stuart Hockey family here in Boston. Jim Conley, 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 2: who has college hockey writer, Gary Faye, former Brookline High player, 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 2: Boston University player, then an assistant in Northeastern And Howard Baldwin, 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: the former owner of the New England Whalers as remembered. 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: We remember the Boston Arena now called the Matthews Arena, 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: who was making way for a new arena a couple 9 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: of years from now on the side of the old 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 2: Boston Arena. So farewell Boston Arena. He meant a lot 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: to a lot of us. Also farewell tonight to Brian Walsh. 12 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 2: The verdicts came down today that he was guilty of 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: murder murder in the first degree of his wife. The 14 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: first thing we should do here is a start off 15 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: with the actually the pronouncement of the verdict. Rob if 16 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 2: you could please play cut number twenty six place. 17 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 3: Mister four person in the matter of the Cormonwall versus 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 3: Brian Walls, Norfolk Superior Court Criminal Type A number twenty 19 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: twenty three, Sarah zero. 20 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: Nine to one. 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 3: As to count one, we're on the defendant, Brian Walls's 22 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 3: charged with murder in the first degree. What say the 23 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 3: jury is it defendent guilty. 24 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 4: Or not guilty? Guilty? Guilty of what, sir? 25 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: In the first degree? 26 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: Murder in the first degree, So say you, mister. 27 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 4: Ford person, I do. 28 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 2: So. Murdering the first degree carries a mandatory life in 29 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: prison sentence here in Massachusetts. The district Attorney Mike Morrissey, 30 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: who has had a rough time in the last two 31 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: or three years, particularly with the Karen Reid case, which 32 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: was also a Norfolk County case, he was pleased with 33 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: the verdict cut number twenty eight. Please Rob, this is 34 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: the Norfolk County. Norfolk County District Attorney, Michael Morrissey. 35 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 5: We've seen it in other cases where we've not had 36 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 5: a body, but this is the first one I can 37 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 5: remember we've had a first degree conviction, and I just 38 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 5: wanted to thank them profusely. I know that number, a 39 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 5: number of them passed up vacations, were holidays, and they 40 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 5: know what's expected. I mean, we took the job to 41 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 5: speak for victims and they did one heck of jobs. 42 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 5: Speaking of honest family. 43 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:25,399 Speaker 2: So the at this point, you know, Walsh obviously will 44 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: have an appeal, an automatic appeal in capital cases in 45 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 2: Massachusetts with US now is Phil Tracy. He's been an attorney, 46 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 2: an attorney here in Boston for many years of criminal 47 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: defense attorney. We talked with Phil on the a couple 48 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: of occasions on this case, and tonight, Phil, the case 49 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: is concluded except for the obligatory appeal that has always 50 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: filed in a case. Do you see any other appealable 51 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: issues in this case that repellant lawyers could hang their 52 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: hat on for for Brian Walsh. 53 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 6: I don't see any appeal, real appeal in this case 54 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 6: because as Morrissey, to his credit, praised his staff, and 55 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 6: they've been through a lot, that staff and he too, Marrison. 56 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 6: They've been criticized from Stop the Bard and the reality 57 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 6: is it is it's always a questionable case if there 58 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 6: isn't a book. But they put together with the police 59 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 6: excellent evidentiary, circumstantial evidence, the blood, the DNA, the hatchet, 60 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 6: the fall of the getting to the dumpsters and getting 61 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 6: the things out of this and they did a great 62 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 6: job on the case, the prosecutors, and you know, I 63 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 6: don't see any way they can appeal it because there's 64 00:03:53,600 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 6: so much there that they go from the Texas which 65 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 6: is the Google searches, to the chips, to the hardware 66 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 6: store to get some crazy items, will probably to try 67 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 6: to clean. But you know what, I've been involved in 68 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 6: the law for fifty years and I always remember that 69 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 6: blood is very hard to get rid of. And they 70 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 6: have tools of special neon sort of lights that they 71 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 6: can spot the blood even though you might not see 72 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 6: it by the naked eye. But it's a tough world. 73 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 6: We're living in a bad case here, bad person, the 74 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 6: terrible things that have happened from Australia to Brown University 75 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 6: of Los Angeles, California. It's just a tough, tough news day. 76 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: I think it's been a rough few days, that is 77 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: for sure, particularly here in New England with the Brown 78 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: University University shooting. It was interesting tonight. I think it 79 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 2: was ABC News led with the Hollywood double murders as 80 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: opposed to what happened on that beach in Australia over 81 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 2: the weekend on the first night of Honkah. Tonight being 82 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: the second night of Hanikah and what happened at Brown University. 83 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 2: It took the jury two days. You've dealt with juries 84 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 2: in your career. Were you surprised that the jury needed 85 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: that amount of time based upon the weight of the 86 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 2: evidence that was presented. I was really I really believed 87 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: they would they would finish up on Friday. They did not. 88 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: They came back and today within two and a half hours. 89 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: It was only five hours of deliberations in total. 90 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 6: Well, that's absolutely correct that that this jury obviously followed 91 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 6: the instructions of the judge. When you go into the 92 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 6: jury box, there's a lot of things that you have 93 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 6: to review and go through all twelve members. Uh, and 94 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 6: you know they've got to say, Okay, this exhibit is 95 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 6: a hack saw on this back sort they found DNA 96 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 6: related to Anna and you know they fish that out 97 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 6: of some place. And the Google we have to go over. 98 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 6: Let's i'm a jura. Now, well, let's hear the tape 99 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 6: of that. It was a tape of It's a recording 100 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 6: of him searching for ways to dismember a body. Let's 101 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 6: go through the garbage bags, the chain of custody, of 102 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 6: the of all of the evidence, and that's important stuff. 103 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 6: I mean, you don't want to rush the judgment. Now, 104 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 6: A lot of people would say, hey, we know he's guilt, 105 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 6: let's just go right back in there. But I don't 106 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 6: think that that could lead to an appeal. If they 107 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 6: came rushing back in in ten minutes and saying he's guilty, 108 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 6: then they would say did you go through all of 109 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 6: the Did the jury go through all the evidence and 110 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 6: weigh it and say is there rivaled out? 111 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 4: Oh? 112 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 6: There is? And that was the right way for them 113 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 6: to do it. 114 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was about Finn. 115 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 6: You know, juries are funny like that. Now, if it's 116 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 6: a Friday afternoon and you've been going through this case 117 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 6: for weeks, you might say, let's go home, come back, 118 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 6: we'll think about it. 119 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 4: You know. 120 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 6: That could have happened, Yeah, because they came back pretty 121 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 6: fast this morning. 122 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, but again they may they may have come you know, 123 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: we'll find out at some point when some of the 124 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: jurors talk. But it could have been that the jury 125 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 2: had all but decided on Friday and said, look, let's 126 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: give the weekend to think about it. The gravity of 127 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: their decision. They could have gone murdered too, which also 128 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: would have been a life sentence, but he would have 129 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: been parole eligible, meaning he could have had a parole 130 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: hearing fifteen years from now. That would have been a 131 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: compromise verdict by thinking in this set of circumstances, Phil, 132 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: It's it was a shocking crime. And you and I 133 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: talked today about some of the other crimes. How people 134 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 2: get themselves in that situation when you know the simple solution, 135 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: you know, divorce, move on and yeah, split up whatever 136 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: assets there might be. I mean, this guy, when we 137 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 2: get back, I'm going to ask you to put yourself 138 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 2: in his mindset tonight as he is sleeping on what 139 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: is the first day of his life in prison without parole, 140 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: and what his lawyers are thinking tonight too. I want 141 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 2: to pick your mind over that. And I also want 142 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: to invite people to call and ask questions or make comments. 143 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, 144 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 2: nine three one, ten thirty. It's a Monday night, cold 145 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 2: Monday night. Hope wherever you are you are a warm, 146 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 2: warm out there. We spent the first hour talking about 147 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: the passing of the the Boston Arena, and this hour 148 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 2: we're getting back to a more contemporary issue, and that 149 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: is the conviction today of Brian Walsh for murder in 150 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: the first degree, which means absent and appeal, which there 151 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 2: will be an obligatory appeal no matter what. But even 152 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: if there were serious issues, the chances are this gentleman 153 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: will spend the rest of this man I shouldn't say, gentlemen, 154 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: this man will spend the rest of his life, his 155 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 2: natural life, in prison here in Massachusetts. If you have 156 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 2: a question, a comment, and observation, you got the number 157 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, 158 00:09:54,000 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: one ten thirty. Uh. No, sympathy should go towards Brian Walsh. 159 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: He did what he has been convicted of. But I 160 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: can just imagine what must be going through his mind tonight, 161 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 2: and what must be going through the minds of the 162 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 2: three children in this case, who now have a father 163 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: who they probably will never see in prison and a 164 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: mother who is dead. Back on Nightside with Attorney Phil Tracy, 165 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 2: right after this quick break. 166 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on w B Boston's news radio. 167 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: We're joining about the Brian Walsh conviction today. I can't 168 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: imagine this anyone in our audience who followed this case, Phil, 169 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: who would quibble with the conviction, with the jury's decision. 170 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: I think the jury got it right. The Norfolk County 171 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: Mike Morrissey certainly was pleased with this decision with God 172 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: heard from the family of the victim, who in these 173 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: cases we'd sometimes tend to forget the woman who was 174 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: killed by murdered by Brian Walsh's late wife Anna. This 175 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: is a Morrissey. He spoke with Inna Walsh's sister, who 176 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 2: had an interesting comment cut twenty seven. 177 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 5: Please, Rob, we did hear from Honor's sister and her 178 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 5: cornat was justice has been served and we agrief all 179 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 5: hobbily with our coronuts. 180 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think justice has been served. And this was 181 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: the wrap on the verdict by w b Z reporter 182 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: Penny Commit. This will give you a sense of what 183 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: it was like when that verdict came in at about 184 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: eleven forty five this morning. Cut twenty nine, Rob. 185 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 7: The jury came in this morning looking a little bit 186 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 7: more dressed. 187 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: Up than usual. 188 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 7: Someone was wearing a shirt and a tie. That typically 189 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 7: does indicate that a verdict could be incoming, they said. 190 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 7: After deliberating for about twelve hours, they reached the unanimous 191 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 7: decision finding Brian Walsh guilty of the first agree murder 192 00:11:58,880 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 7: of his wife Anna. 193 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 3: Take mister person in the matter of the Cormonwall versus 194 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 3: Brian Walls, No Folk Superior Court Criminal Type at number 195 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, there was there a nine to one 196 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 3: as to count one. We're in the defendant Brian Walls, 197 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 3: as charge of murder in the first degree. What say 198 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 3: the jury? 199 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 4: Is it dependent guilty or not guilty? 200 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: Guilty guilty of one, sir, in the first. 201 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: Degree, murder in the first degree. 202 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 3: So say you, mister Ford person, I do guilty of 203 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 3: murder in the first degree. So say all. 204 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: Deliberty Jones, I do. 205 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 2: Phil Tracy, you've handled capital cases? Oh yeah, I think 206 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 2: you've been successful, more successful than others. Clearly this was 207 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: an overwhelming case. Does do the lawyers have an opportunity? 208 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: Obviously before the verdict, they could have met with their 209 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 2: client this morning and and perhaps you know, suggested to 210 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 2: him that things did not look good or whatever. Is 211 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: there any opportunity? It looked to me as if he 212 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 2: was handcoff to shackle and taken away, and there wasn't 213 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 2: much of an opportunity for his lawyers to give him 214 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: any comfort or support. 215 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 6: Correct, Yes, that's correct. And I have stood beside defendants 216 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 6: and that's a very scary moment when the jury is 217 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 6: waiting to say you're guilty or not guilty. I have 218 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 6: prosecuted cases where you're standing beside or you're standing in 219 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 6: the prosecutor seat with a family back in the rows 220 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 6: behind you, and you know that's if it's not guilty, 221 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 6: they're they're heartbroken. So it's a tense, tense moment. The 222 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 6: jury files in, it's just a little time before they're 223 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 6: going to render their verdict, and you know it can 224 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 6: be frustrating for all parties, as it may have been 225 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 6: for the in the read case, for the family of 226 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 6: the deceased, because they went through a hung jury and 227 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 6: then they went to a trial. So you know that's 228 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 6: it's tough on all the parties involved. Now I don't 229 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 6: have any sympathy for him, but I do agree with you. 230 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 6: I would love to know that those kids have a 231 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 6: good life ahead of them, whether they're in Europe with 232 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 6: her mother or in a foster home. I hope they're 233 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 6: all right. 234 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, let me come back to the mindset of Walsh. 235 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: Above all, Brian Walsh knows what happened, and above all, 236 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: he knows the accuracy of the verdict. What do you 237 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: think goes through his mind tonight as he lays his 238 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: head down somewhere in the Massachusetts correctional system. I'm not 239 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 2: sure if he goes directly to Susan Bearanowski or whatever, 240 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 2: but he has to know that his days of freedom 241 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 2: are over. Yeah, I mean, what do you think now? 242 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 2: And maybe his mind is so messed up he doesn't care. 243 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 6: You know. 244 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 8: Hey, I'm sorry, I mean no, just saying, I'm just 245 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 8: curious because of your experience, what do you think someone 246 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 8: like his situation when when he was walked into that 247 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 8: van to be taken back to, you know, to the 248 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 8: rest of his life. 249 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 6: I mean, well, he I think he has intelligence, and 250 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 6: I think he has a criminal mind. The stories that 251 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 6: he tried to loot his father's estate, who was a 252 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 6: strange from him. And he also was convicted in the 253 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 6: federal court of a serious art theft type case, which 254 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 6: you know, I mean he's it pled guilty to two 255 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 6: more crimes which can be added on to the life sentence. 256 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 6: So I suppose he he's not as shocked as somebody 257 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 6: would be if they were innocent or they felt the 258 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 6: government had a bad case against them. I mean, he's 259 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 6: he knew what he did, and the worst of all 260 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 6: of it taking his kid to the low store or 261 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 6: wherever he's going to buy materials to cover up the 262 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 6: Heenus crime. I don't like that at all, not at all. 263 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 2: It's an amazing story. Uh he will you know a 264 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: few years from now people will not remember the name 265 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: Bryan Wallaf, You and I today were trying to recall 266 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: the name of Neil Entwhistle. 267 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 6: A wwhistle Sure he shot his wife and baby in bed, 268 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 6: went to. 269 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 2: England with the atention coming home. I believe you just 270 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: don't know what goes through these people's mind. I don't 271 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: know if this guy has any spiritual advisor, but I 272 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 2: would hope that somehow, someway he can he can reconcile 273 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 2: himself with whatever his guard is, at least so he can. 274 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 2: It's impossible to put I guess the mind your mind 275 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: of mind is into where where his head might be today. 276 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 2: I mean, for. 277 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 6: Tonight, in a case where somebody had flew into a 278 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 6: rage with their wife. And I say that because it 279 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 6: could happened the other way around a man a woman too, 280 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 6: But in that case they regret what they did. He planned, plotted, 281 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 6: and followed up with planning, disposal, planning. So I mean, 282 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 6: he you know, it's just hard to even think of 283 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 6: taking an actual saw or a hatchet and taking it 284 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 6: and the physical act of putting it into the body 285 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 6: of what was your wife, the mother of your three children. 286 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 6: It's it's just impossible to understand. 287 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: It is not easy to Oh, I mean, if you 288 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 2: think about well, it's impossible, just impossible to even contemplate. So, Phil, 289 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 2: I thank you for the time that you've spent with 290 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 2: us on this case. One final question, but do you 291 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: think that in retrospect his lawyers made a mistake in 292 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 2: pleading guilty to not cooperating fully with the police and 293 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 2: basically disposing of the body member. 294 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 6: Yes, I think it was a total mistake, and I'm 295 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 6: not criticizing them because I think he had a hand 296 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 6: in trying that trickery aspect of it, and the ludicrous 297 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 6: explanation that he was she fell off the bed and 298 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 6: she was dead and nobody would believe me. The three 299 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 6: little boy sleeping upstairs. Well this is all going on, 300 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 6: but we don't know how she was murdered. Now, in 301 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 6: some cases a person might find that some sort of 302 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:49,719 Speaker 6: a light from God, so he could say this is 303 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 6: what happened, this is where her body is, et cetera, 304 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 6: et cetera. Do I think he'll do that? No, I 305 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 6: don't think he liked that. I don't think he cares 306 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 6: about anything but himself. But absolutely, you know that has 307 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 6: happened in cases like that where there's nobody you mean, not. 308 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 2: Fills, I mean she The police were able to get 309 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 2: some of the dumpsters before they were they were transferred 310 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: to landfillers. 311 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 6: But exactly, well, you know this in a case and 312 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 6: I have seen this where you had a missing body. Uh, 313 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 6: the defendant uses that as a leverage because the family 314 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 6: wants to find that body and bury bury it properly 315 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 6: to say, I'd rather i'll show you the body is 316 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 6: if I get second Green murders in the first I 317 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 6: don't know it's happened before. 318 00:20:55,280 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 2: Well what was he how? Yeah, I don't know. I 319 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 2: just think that depravity was so immensityes. Thank you, Thank 320 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: you for your time. I know that you probably are 321 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: in a courtroom tomorrow morning at nine o'clock somewhere. 322 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 6: So yeah, I'm still kicking around, be in touch. 323 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 2: I'm sure there'd be another case. 324 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 6: Coming back to you. Take care, absolutely, Merry Christmas and 325 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 6: Jane brave of those children. 326 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 2: Absolute good final thought, Thank you Phil. All Right, we 327 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 2: are at ten thirty four, so I would love to 328 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 2: hear from some of you. You follow this case. It 329 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 2: was much more cut and dried than the Karen Reid case. 330 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: There was no group of people out in the streets 331 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 2: protesting his innocence as they were in the Karen Reid case. 332 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 2: My question to you is your reaction to this case, now, 333 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 2: this peering, this client disappearing into a life sentence without 334 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 2: the possibility of parole. If there ever was a criminal 335 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: defendant who I think had no support, no empathy from anyone, 336 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 2: understandably your reaction to the decision today. My feeling was 337 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 2: they could have come back on Friday and spared everyone. 338 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 2: But I think Phil Tracy made a really good point 339 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 2: that the jury probably wanted to give it a few 340 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 2: extra hours of contemplation over the weekend. But this case 341 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 2: is over. But my question is how do you comprehend 342 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: anyone doing what Brian Walsh now stands convicted of. I 343 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 2: don't understand the anger that anybody could summon up, never 344 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: mind against someone who they don't know, but someone who 345 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: with whom they have been married and someone with whom 346 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 2: they have had three children. It's it boggles my mind. 347 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 2: I'm sure it boggles yours. Six one seven, two, five 348 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 2: four to ten thirty six one seven, nine three one 349 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: ten thirty. I guess, if you believe in the Bell curve, 350 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: there are probably three percent of the people amongst us 351 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 2: who are living saints. The rest of us are somewhere 352 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,239 Speaker 2: in the middle, you and me included. But then at 353 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 2: the other end, I guess you do have two percent 354 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 2: or one percent, maybe three percent, and a perfect Bell 355 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: curve of people who are capable, capable of doing similar 356 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 2: things to what Brian Walsh did, and that there's no 357 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 2: conscience whatsoever, maybe no realization that someday they will have 358 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 2: to face justice. Walsh faced justice today, he will face 359 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: justice every day for the rest of his life. And 360 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 2: I'd love to get your comments. Six one seven two 361 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 2: four thirty six one seven nine three thirty Not a 362 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 2: fun subject to talk about. Let's have had it coming 363 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 2: back on Nightside right after the news at the bottom 364 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: of the hour, a little bit past the bottom of the. 365 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: Hour, You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZY, 366 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 367 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 2: Well, I can see from the response that no one 368 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: wants to offer an opinion about the depravity of the 369 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 2: Brian Walsh case. The verdict came back today with guilty 370 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 2: murder in the first degree, which I totally understand. My 371 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: sense was what took them so long? But I think 372 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 2: Phil Tracy made a great point and that that jurors 373 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: take it seriously. They are holding in their hands the fate, 374 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 2: the lifelong fate of an individual. But as I during 375 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 2: the break, as I was thinking, if you think of 376 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 2: you know, I referred to sort of I like to 377 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: refer to a bell curve of life that there are probably, 378 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: you know, three percent of the public who were just 379 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 2: really good people in every sense of the word, people 380 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 2: who we might call living saints, and then there were 381 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 2: probably three percent of the people in the other end 382 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 2: of the curve who are debraved. So I'm thinking to myself, Okay, 383 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 2: what else has been going on this weekend? Well, we 384 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: have the shooting in Providence, Rhode Island. We still don't 385 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: know why someone would walk into a study hall or 386 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: into a classroom on a Saturday afternoon at four o'clock 387 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: in the afternoon and kill two students at Brown University 388 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 2: and wound nine others, some of whom I'm sure are 389 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 2: going to suffer consequential wounds that will affect them, perhaps 390 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 2: for the rest of their life. And we also saw 391 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 2: what went on in Australia on that beach, Bondie Beach 392 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 2: in Australia, at a Honica service on Saturday night or 393 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 2: Sunday night their time, I should say, in which these 394 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 2: two individuals, ironically a father and son, talk about the 395 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 2: apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Who decided that 396 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: they had the right and the authority to go and 397 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 2: dispatch and kill people who were simply out trying to 398 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 2: enjoy on the startup festival of lights Honicah. And I 399 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 2: can't imagine. I cannot imagine how people could get to 400 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 2: that point, or how someone could walk into a building 401 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,719 Speaker 2: at Brown University, one of the most you know, an 402 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 2: Ivy League college, and whether you like Ivy League colleges 403 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 2: or not, they are prestigious colleges, one of the most 404 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 2: prestigious colleges, if not in the country for that matter, 405 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 2: in the world, and just fire at people. No, we 406 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 2: still don't know what this guy's motive was, whether he 407 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 2: was there to settle the score, or whether he was 408 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 2: there just to raise given a horrible act. My instinct 409 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 2: tells me that there was some score settling here of 410 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 2: some sort. I don't know. I have no nothing to 411 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 2: base that on. I just don't understand why he would 412 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 2: pick Brown University, why he would pick that location on 413 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 2: Brown University at that time. None of it. None of 414 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 2: it makes any sense to me. I'm sure it doesn't 415 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 2: make any sense to you. But I think that it's 416 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 2: important for us to talk about it because there might 417 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 2: be people out there who were so troubled they allow 418 00:27:54,760 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: their actions to take over their lives. Now we can 419 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 2: talk later on tonight about other more pleasant subjects. But 420 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 2: I think between the Waltz verdict today where he received judgment, 421 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,959 Speaker 2: and I think he received very clear judgment, there's no 422 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 2: question in my mind. I wasn't a jurer, but there's 423 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 2: no question in my mind that someone could have engaged 424 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 2: if his wife had died. I don't think your first 425 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 2: instinct was let me dismember her and let me put 426 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 2: her in plastic bags and spread her remains or her 427 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 2: body parts in dumpsters around New England. So you can 428 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 2: make a comment on that, but I'd prefer to have 429 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: you comment in the context of just depravity. What causes people? 430 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 2: I guess the sociologists and the psychologist will never be 431 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 2: without a job. What causes people to do this? We 432 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 2: don't know what the motive, if any of the brown 433 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 2: shooter was. We do know what the motive of the 434 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: father and son group, a team in outside of Sydney, 435 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: Australia was. So I'm going to open the lines up 436 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 2: six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, 437 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 2: nine three, one, ten thirty. I can talk for the 438 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 2: rest of the night, but this is a talk show. 439 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: I invite you to join me. Whatever your point of 440 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 2: view is, get on early and we'll we'll carry this 441 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 2: to the end and we'll move on to something else. 442 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: Coming back on Nightside right after this quick commercial break. 443 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w b Boston's news radio. 444 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to the phone. It's gonna go to 445 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 2: Jay in Rhode Island. First off, Jay, welcome, you are 446 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 2: next on Nightside, your first tonight on White on Nightside. 447 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 4: I originally thought this had to do with the girl 448 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 4: who was shot in the face. Uh, the president, the 449 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 4: vice president of the Public Club. I thought this might 450 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 4: be a target to shoot it and I thought, wow, 451 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 4: just because of the amount of Democratic people Brown, probably 452 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 4: it's like ninety five descent. 453 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 2: I would first, right, I would dismiss that quickly. I mean, seriously, 454 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 2: what I mean as I understand that the young victim 455 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 2: is from Alabama and she's the vice president of the 456 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 2: Young Republicans Club, But I mean, I think I have 457 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 2: no idea where you're getting that from. Jay. But there's no. 458 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 4: Because there's only about five percent people Republican in Brown overall, 459 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 4: and only about one percent of them really acknowledged it. 460 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 4: And I thought that and I was wrong. Talking to 461 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 4: my sister, who is a professor in Maine with her husband, 462 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 4: and they said they heard that it was actually a 463 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 4: study group, but it was put on by a Jewish group, 464 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 4: and that the person came in and started shouting ahead 465 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 4: of time in a foreign language, maybe Arabic, and maybe 466 00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 4: it had nothing to do with her. 467 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 2: I got to be to be honest with you, Jay, 468 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 2: You're going off into areas that I'm not comfortable with. 469 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 2: We have no idea what motivated this guy. We have 470 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: no idea if he was from Rhode Island, from somewhere else. 471 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 2: We know nothing about it at this point. So I 472 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: just I thank you for your call, but I'm not 473 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 2: going there. I'm gonna walk the plank here if you 474 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 2: can either go away quietly, you're going to walk the 475 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 2: plank whichever you want. Okay, here you go, alady ahead, 476 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: walk the plank. Thanks again, That does nothing for anyone. 477 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: Dotty isn't meant for Dottie. 478 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 9: You're next to nice. Well, I was getting back to Walsh, 479 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 9: and I'm very happy it was the first degree. I 480 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 9: was so concerned that one juror matehold, oh, and it 481 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 9: might be a hung jewelry. I was very concerned a 482 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 9: both the ass. But you know he's been photographed. You 483 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 9: questioned the spirituality. He's been photographed with rosary beads. Say 484 00:31:59,280 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 9: it is rose. 485 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but you know, I mean that was loney. 486 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 9: Yeah, but maybe he's got some odd ideas, who knows, 487 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 9: who knows, But it's so he is such an evil person. 488 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 9: But if did you read the story about him and 489 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 9: the Globe, how bad he's He's hard. 490 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 2: He's strange from his father. But he also, I guess, 491 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 2: tried to somehow destroy the will of He did destroy. 492 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 9: Oh yeah, and he also when he was a kid, 493 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 9: he was trying to steal uh different artifacts from different 494 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 9: countries and he'd be caught. I mean, he was a 495 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 9: real horror show, that guy. But the poor little kids, 496 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 9: poor kids, and her mother and the sister I'm sure 497 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 9: are going to have to take care of them. 498 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know too much about it. Someone said 499 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 2: to me that the children are living in Europe with 500 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 2: the grandmother. Hopefully they can they can be insulated from 501 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 2: all of this. 502 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 4: And well, I hope. 503 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 2: So whatever whatever jeans this guy had, you know, you 504 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 2: know those who believe it, you know, you talk about 505 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 2: hopefully he was going to say, dotty, was that the 506 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 2: three little boys only inherit their mom jeans because. 507 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 9: It's let's hope. So but when you look at Rob 508 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 9: Reiner and with the terrible thing that happened to him 509 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 9: and his wife, and by the. 510 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: Way, Donald Trump's comments today, it would be atrocious for 511 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 2: for j from Rhode Island, never mind the president of 512 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 2: the United States. I mean, it was. 513 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 9: Just beyond terrible comment. 514 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 2: Rob has the right to have like whatever presidents he 515 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 2: wants to see what he is, the First Amendment right, 516 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 2: But for Donald Trump to use his office. 517 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 9: I know, just incomprehensible that he is that stupid to 518 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 9: do that, yes, or. 519 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 2: Stupid or ignorant. I mean, you know there are a 520 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 2: lot of stupid people. Oh yeah, you have to be 521 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 2: pretty ignorant to do that. So yeah, it's been a 522 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 2: it's been a rough few days. 523 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 9: Don very tough week, very very tough week. Yeah you 524 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 9: stay well, okay, oh well let's let's just carry on. 525 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 9: We'll come and carry on. Yeah, okay, thank you, thanks 526 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 9: very much. 527 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 2: Let me go to Alex Millits Alex next on Nightside. 528 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 4: Go right ahead, than agree me, Dan. 529 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 10: I was going to say a couple of things. 530 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 4: Uh. 531 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 10: First off, I think it's the uh breakdown in the 532 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 10: family because you know, uh, these things don't happen in 533 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 10: uh in a nice environment, you know, if you grow up. 534 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 10: I mean, I'm fortunate because you know, my family is 535 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 10: pretty well bonded, uh and we try, we do the 536 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 10: right things, and you know, we follow the law. But 537 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 10: that's not the case with everybody in the United States. 538 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 10: And the other thing was, but. 539 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 2: There were people, you know, but but you know, here's 540 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 2: the thing, Alex. There are people who come out of 541 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 2: really some bad family situations and they're very successful and productive. 542 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 2: And then there are people who come out of look 543 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 2: at well again. Mental health played a big role in 544 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,439 Speaker 2: the Rob Rhino story today, But there are other people 545 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 2: who come out of great family situations and they do 546 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 2: nothing but mess themselves up. I mean, I think about 547 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,439 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden, his father, you know, you know, United States Center, 548 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 2: Vice President, President of the United States. He ended up 549 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 2: really at rock bottom. So I think there's some correlation, 550 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,760 Speaker 2: but it's not an absolute correlation. 551 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 10: Yeah, I know, I'm not at one hundred percent, you know, 552 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 10: through all the time, but it helps. The other thing 553 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 10: is this low life Brian Welsh. 554 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,720 Speaker 4: I feel so bad for his wife. 555 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 10: They'll never have closure of so they never found the body. 556 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 10: As awful as this sounds, if they had made a 557 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,919 Speaker 10: deal for him to you know, say where he put 558 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 10: the body or what he did with the body, do 559 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 10: you think you know that would have been you know, 560 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 10: something to look at. 561 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I mean the circumstances of the case. 562 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 2: You know, Phil Tracy mentioned that sometimes people try to 563 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 2: leverage that. Alex I appreciates always your calls and your 564 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 2: loyalty the nightside. Hopefully we'll talk before next week, but 565 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 2: I hope you have great holidays. 566 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 4: And thank you so much. 567 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 10: And my dog says Merry Christmas too, if you deal 568 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 10: with Merry Christmas everyone. 569 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 2: Let's try Harvey again, Harvey super glad. I think we're 570 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 2: having trouble with your phoney. Hopefully you're back. 571 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 4: I'm back, all right. 572 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 2: I don't know if you had us on speaker inadvertently, 573 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 2: but I'm sure you want to weigh in on the 574 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 2: Brian Walsh case. 575 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 4: Go right ahead, not just Brian Waltz. There has been 576 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 4: a rareh of these guns are car from assassinations, and 577 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 4: I think that the reason there's a raresh of them 578 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 4: is because there are a certain number of people out 579 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 4: there who are nuts, who are just waiting for an 580 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 4: opportunity to use their guns. And there's a certain suggestibility 581 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 4: when when there's a highly public, highly publicized they get 582 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 4: our television incident. And that's why these things common groups 583 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 4: follow me. 584 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 2: I hope not. I mean, I understand what you're saying, 585 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 2: but boy, I hope not. 586 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 4: Well. I think that's the explanation. There there are people 587 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 4: out there who are mentally ill, who are sort of 588 00:37:55,120 --> 00:38:01,919 Speaker 4: desperate for attention, and then there's an incident, it's hard 589 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 4: he publicized, and they have their opportunity. I guess I 590 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:11,320 Speaker 4: think that's a phenomenon, and it happens every so often. 591 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 4: These things come in groups. 592 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. You know sometimes people say 593 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 2: sometimes they come in in threes. But obviously the to 594 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 2: Brian Walsh thing, no one in Australia. I mean that 595 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 2: that's viril and anti semitism period. Uh, there's there's no 596 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 2: one in Australia. I would assume who has an interest 597 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 2: in the Brian Walsh case. 598 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 4: Well, the anti Semitic to the Nsuer prime example, the 599 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 4: phenomenon that I'm talking about. 600 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 2: Yep, no, I agree, one one kicks off the other 601 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 2: and it's it's just amazing how many people will sacrifice 602 00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 2: their own life for whatever beast lives within them, whether 603 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 2: it's Brian Walsh or these two guys down in in Australia. 604 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 2: One of them is dead. The other is, for all 605 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 2: intents and purpose, is dead. Uh. And this whoever, when's 606 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 2: this guy in Rhode Island is caught if they make 607 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 2: the case, well, I mean he's he's gonna spend. He 608 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 2: doesn't there's no death penalty in Rhode Island, I don't believe. 609 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 2: But he's gonna he's gonna spend the rest of his life. 610 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 2: Uh in in prison, tough to tough to understand, Harvey. 611 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,359 Speaker 2: You know, life is good. Those of us who are here, 612 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 2: we only have some time. Let's make the most of it. 613 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 2: I guess is what I'm trying to say, Harvey is 614 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 2: always thank you for reminding us. I hope you're wrong, 615 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 2: and I hope that this this spate of violence. Uh, 616 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 2: that's it, but I suspect you're probably right, my friend. Yep, 617 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 2: thanks Harvey. I'm up at the eleven, so I gotta 618 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 2: let you go. Thank you much. We'll talk soon, Okay, 619 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 2: all right, ah here comes to eleven. I have wide 620 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 2: open lines. We can continue to talk about this, or 621 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 2: we can find a different topic. I hope you'll light 622 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 2: the phone lines up during the break. Coming back on 623 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 2: night side