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Speaker 2: All right, here we go, Hour number two thanks to

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Speaker 2: Cincy Shirts the Friday Football Friends. He let's get right

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Speaker 2: into it Hour two Friday. Our good friend Charlie Goldsmith's

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Speaker 2: anybody to join us right now?

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Speaker 3: Charlie?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 3: Tony? How you doing? Charlie?

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Speaker 2: I'm great. Look, I know we got to dive into

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Speaker 2: the Joe Burrow and we will before that. Can you

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Speaker 2: find a path the UCBD moival tonight, Charlie.

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Speaker 3: It's a team that's much improved from the perimeter, especially

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Speaker 3: when you look at kind of how things got clogged

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Speaker 3: for them offensively in previous years. Cantinet be a night

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Speaker 3: where you see can win with the style. We haven't

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Speaker 3: seen a ton from them in a while. It's kind

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Speaker 3: of the perimeter attack, you know, Baba making some freeze

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Speaker 3: Knakrigaez come off the bench and make some threes day

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Speaker 3: day shot the ball. Well, this year they've got shooters.

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Speaker 3: Let's see if they can make some shots in an

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Speaker 3: arena that's terrible to shoot in.

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Speaker 2: All right, Charlie, uh the up to the date updates

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Speaker 2: on Joe Burrow. He's officially listed as questionable. What do

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Speaker 2: we know up to this point and what do you

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Speaker 2: think happens on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: We just talked to Zach for a while. Here's my

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Speaker 3: read on the situation. You don't get to this point

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Speaker 3: unless Burrow feels like he can play, feel healthy enough

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Speaker 3: to play. And I think there's enough optimism that is,

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Speaker 3: from a pure health and physical standpoint, Burrow's pretty much there.

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Speaker 3: I feel pretty strongly about that now talking to Zach,

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Speaker 3: you know they're gonna take the time they have. They're

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Speaker 3: comfortable taking the time they have. Burrow's listed as questionable.

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Speaker 3: What Zach talked a lot about is this being his

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Speaker 3: call and he's got to do what's best for the program.

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Speaker 3: Do what's best for Burrow and make the right decision.

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Speaker 3: And there's a lot of factor in there, like how

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Speaker 3: does Burrow read a defense? How does Burrow respond to

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Speaker 3: not having any you know, real live speed reps until just,

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Speaker 3: you know, a few days ago. How does you know

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Speaker 3: the the can you call sixty passes? Where Burrow's running

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Speaker 3: all over the field? Like what guardrails do you have

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Speaker 3: to set up? From a play caller perspectives, I really

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Speaker 3: think Zach's just taken in all the information. He wants

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Speaker 3: to go back through how it all went this weekend

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Speaker 3: and he'll make a call.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow outside of Joe Burrow and what we know or

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Speaker 2: wait to know around Joe Burrow. We know Jamar Chase

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Speaker 2: is not going to be playing on Sunday. How do

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Speaker 2: they make up for the production they'll lose from Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 3: We've seen before when Chase is out just taking step

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Speaker 3: into the one a Spotlight needs as we all know

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Speaker 3: more than good enough to do that. The most interesting

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Speaker 3: wrinkles for me there are two. One Andre Josavash's role

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Speaker 3: really over the last two years has been and he

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Speaker 3: even said this line up where Jamar isn't you know

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Speaker 3: Jamar out wide, Yoshi fields mcgaps. What routes do they

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Speaker 3: think are Andre's best routes When you're just coming up

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Speaker 3: with the game plan for maybe you know, five six

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Speaker 3: plays where you're featuring Joseavash, what are those routes? I

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Speaker 3: wonder if we see more plays up the scene, more

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Speaker 3: back shoulder throws to Andre, and then overall, what style

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Speaker 3: of game do you want this to be? Maybe without

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Speaker 3: Jamar and either way slacker or burrow or quarterback. You

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Speaker 3: don't want throwing it fifty times? Do you try to

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Speaker 3: take the air out out of the game? Kind of play?

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Speaker 3: The style that New England played in Cincinnati last year

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Speaker 3: minimized Deessians establish the run? How just more of a patient,

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Speaker 3: I look at the style of play and then ways

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Speaker 2: Well, let's stick one more on the offensive side of

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Speaker 2: lot of people think there's something to the way Joe

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Speaker 2: Flacko has played his ability to go under center. If

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is playing, we've seen an uneasiness of going

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Speaker 2: with the advancements they've made on the offensive line if

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Speaker 2: they are majority shotgun?

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Speaker 3: Yes, you know my honest opinion, I think the understand

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Speaker 3: the storylines the most overrated conversation around the Bengals. They've

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Speaker 3: proven over the years that if there's a match of

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Speaker 3: That's all make under center pack, which is a big

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Speaker 3: part of what they do now. All right, There's one

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Speaker 3: thing they did with Flacco specifically in both games against

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Speaker 3: the Steelers, they had him do under center straight dropbacks.

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Speaker 3: They stopped teaching that twenty years ago. Burrow was not

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Speaker 3: going to do that. But sure, that takes five plays

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Speaker 3: out of your call sheet that you had with Flacco.

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Speaker 3: But of course you have more things you can do

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Speaker 2: Offense on the defensive side of the ball. Charlie. I

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Speaker 2: know the final score said thirty four last week, but

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Speaker 2: back to the offense for more opportunities. Did you see

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Speaker 2: trending in the right direction on the defensive side of

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Speaker 3: Overall, though, I think Pittsburgh's offense shut itself in the

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Speaker 3: Joe Flack all right when he got here would have gone.

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Speaker 3: You know, a quarterback who can't move and gets rid

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Speaker 3: Steelers offense in the first half with Aaron Rodgers. Of course,

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Speaker 3: Blacko hadn't been that in Cincinnattie, But that's just my

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Speaker 3: way to criticize how beatable that Steelers offense was. An

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Speaker 3: underrated storyline of the week is now with cam Taylor

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Speaker 3: He's a step slower than maybe what you want from

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Speaker 2: Uh, Dejon Anthony, any update on if he's going to

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Speaker 2: Cam Taylor Britt do you view any changes coming to

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Speaker 3: Dajon's questionable. I don't see changes coming to the safety

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Speaker 3: Anderson over the years in training camp and unlimited opportunities

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Speaker 3: on defense, what we've seen from Dejon Anthony when he

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Speaker 3: love PJ. Jeweles on special teams, but this guy was

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Speaker 3: a linebacker in college. He's not coming in free safety

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Speaker 3: and saving your offense. They did such a poor job

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Speaker 3: clearly time for a change of free safety. They just

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Speaker 3: don't have that option. I don't think Dejong's that option either,

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Speaker 3: whenever he's healthy, unless it's December and you're truly just

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Speaker 3: in a developmental play the kid mindset, as much as

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Speaker 3: we've all seen it, and we've all seen it, as

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Speaker 3: crazy as this is going to sound, he knows Stone's

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Speaker 3: still their best free safety on the roster.

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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson is out. We have seen now in back

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Speaker 2: Zach Taylor has essentially said Trey Hendrickson is doubtful. Normally,

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Speaker 2: I feel like Zach holds the cards a little closer

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Speaker 2: How do you view the Trey Hendrickson situation? What's unfolding?

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Speaker 2: And do you think we've seen the last of Trey

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Speaker 3: I don't have a good feeling about this one. I

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Speaker 3: truly don't know. I don't know that they know. There

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Speaker 3: hasn't been any concrete answers from them. If they had

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Speaker 3: concrete answers, they probably have put them on IR which

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Speaker 3: hasn't come. I haven't seen trade trade around as much.

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Speaker 3: Something I've been thinking about is like one of his

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Speaker 3: that Logan Wilson trade should happen, But like all of

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Speaker 3: Trey's friends are gone, and it's a bad team and

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Speaker 3: how is this all from his perspective right now? And

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Speaker 3: it's just a weird situation, and it's one that there

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Speaker 3: a lot of well earned uncertainty.

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Speaker 2: You're at, is there a fix all for the tackling?

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Speaker 2: Everyone just points to tackling is just bad. And outside

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Speaker 2: of going full go and running old school Oklahoma drills

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Speaker 2: at practice in season, can you do anything to improve

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Speaker 3: Do that, I'm just kidding. They do think Dalens will

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Speaker 3: which is just about the first twenty minutes. For example,

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Speaker 3: they've revamped and re emphasized their pre practice tackling circuit

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Speaker 3: where they do different technique stuff during special teams portions

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Speaker 3: like the other day, how usually the coordinators just kind

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Speaker 3: The coordinators are on the sideline, and then the position coaches.

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Speaker 3: You're still a couple of drills with the guys who

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Speaker 3: don't play special teams to keep the guys loose, like

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Speaker 3: Tomorrow does work on a ladder for example, and catches

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Speaker 3: some passes from Troy Wall. Well, this week, Al Golden

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Speaker 3: seen before in that pre or in that special team's

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Speaker 3: it looked like the defense didn't walk through basically another

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Speaker 3: walk through before practice. I was like, right before practice,

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Speaker 3: they they've done little things like that, but I don't

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Speaker 3: know that that saves the defense.

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Speaker 2: Charlie, in your opinion, what is the best pass for

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Speaker 2: the Bengals to win on Sunday? How does that play out?

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Speaker 3: The style of games just has to be very specific.

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Speaker 3: I keep going back to the Patriots game in Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Let's go, Charlie. I can't wait. Man, you're the best.

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Speaker 2: talk again next week. There he is, Charlie Goldsmith always

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