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Speaker 2: If you're just tuning in.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin has stepped down as the coach of the

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers, and there's some people we had a caller before,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people in the media are gonna

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Speaker 1: say this.

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Speaker 2: Is bad for the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Last night used to not gain the Steelers by two

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty three yards four hundred and eight yards

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Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five. That is the worst yardage

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Speaker 1: differential in Steelers playoff history. The Steelers are now the

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Speaker 1: first team in NFL history to lose five straight playoff games,

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Speaker 1: all by double digits. It's the largest home playoff loss

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Speaker 1: in franchise history. Actress Or Stadium emptied out with five

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Speaker 1: minutes left. There were chants to fire Tomlin after the

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Speaker 1: game and in the fourth quarter, and they didn't play Renegade.

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Speaker 1: There was no point good decision. But it's the first

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Speaker 1: time that I can remember they didn't play Renegade for

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Speaker 1: a home game at Akershure. So Tomin I think he'll

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Speaker 1: go to TV for a year. He got two years

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Speaker 1: left on his deal. He can get paid off on that.

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Speaker 1: That's a pretty penny. But you look at last night's

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Speaker 1: game and Tomlin coaching the Steelers. It just wasn't working.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't worked for a long time. It was over

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Speaker 1: and it was time. No matter who made the decision today,

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Speaker 1: it was the right move. It's good for Tomlin too,

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Speaker 1: but for the Steelers that Tom was no longer the

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Speaker 1: coach of the Steelers. This season was the same as

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Speaker 1: last season. It needs to be stressed. Last season went

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Speaker 1: ten and seven out in the wild card round. This

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Speaker 1: season made all those changes Broughten, Aaron Rodgers, among others,

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Speaker 1: and did no better. It's another season wasted on old

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Speaker 1: dudes and recycling. Despite being all in new coach. As

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Speaker 1: soon as you can you get a legit quarterback. We

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Speaker 1: hope it's just right to move forward, and anybody who

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Speaker 1: disagrees is frankly wrong. And there's a lot of wrong

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Speaker 1: people out there, including Mike de Corsi. But I think

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Speaker 1: history will prove me right, as it almost always does.

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Speaker 1: I think, no renegade, no renegade. I guess the jig

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Speaker 1: is up, the news is out. They finally found me

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Speaker 1: uh and I would fire Omar Khan tu. I think

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Speaker 1: that goes without saying, but you know, you know that

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Speaker 1: the Corsi theory that mirrored my theory. The tom one

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Speaker 1: got told by Art we gotta have a talk. Things

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Speaker 1: got to check, and of course he put forth a

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Speaker 1: notion that maybe Art wanted more control when hiring coordinators assistance,

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Speaker 1: and tom Win just said, nah, I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: And that caused the parting of the ways because it

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Speaker 1: was kind of sudden. It did come on the heels

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Speaker 1: last night off tom Win saying he wasn't thinking big picture.

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Speaker 1: I think ultimately Tomlin jumped, but I think he got

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a push from Art only the second.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Roddington. Roddington, you're all with Mark, Hey, Mark.

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Speaker 3: Earlier in the day, I was listening to the D

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Speaker 3: team and they said a stat that surprised me. They

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Speaker 3: said that Dave wanstat has a higher winning percentage in

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Speaker 3: the playoffs than Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 1: So do you think I don't know that that's true,

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Speaker 1: But tom Win's winning percentage in the playoffs is now

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Speaker 1: I think at four hundred, which is embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, a Hall of.

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Speaker 1: Fame coach, that guy's going to get in the camp

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Speaker 1: with a winning.

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Speaker 2: Percentage in the postseason of four hundred.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's ridiculous, but hey, maybe coach t should walk

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Speaker 4: The Reviver's career just.

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Speaker 2: Like wants that dead. I don't think so, Joel. Let's

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Speaker 2: go to down Donna Bethel Park. What do I think, Zachary?

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Speaker 5: Hey, I just wanted to comment. You know, I would

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Speaker 5: almost say Tomin's actions were cowardly because you wonder where

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Speaker 5: his heart was.

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Speaker 2: No, don't don't don't don't be dumb. Don't be dumb.

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Speaker 1: This was clearly reactionary to something that was said between

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Speaker 2: It's not cowardly.

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Speaker 1: It's doing the right thing for the Steelers certainly, and

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Speaker 1: probably for Tomin himself. Once he steps back and looks

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Speaker 1: let's go to Josh josh On with double M.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, Mark, I just wanted to suggest Marcus Freeman for

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Speaker 4: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a bad suggestion, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: would you leave Notre Dame to come to Pittsburgh with

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Speaker 2: If you're looking.

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Speaker 1: At the same with Signetti, well, but yeah, it's Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame is a step higher than the Steelers currently right

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Speaker 1: the second uh on the coaching codin pool, it just

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Speaker 1: is same with Kurt Signetti. He's a inser, but I'd

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Speaker 1: rather be an Indiana than the Steelers. The Steelers with

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Speaker 1: the exception is, as I've been discussing that you don't

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Speaker 2: It's not a plump job.

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Speaker 1: It's not a job I would want if I had

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Speaker 1: a better choice, and there are lots of better choices

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the call. Uh yeah, that's the kind

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Speaker 1: What type of coach they should get? Should it be

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Speaker 1: recycling NFL? Should it be an up and coming assistant

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Speaker 2: Should it be a college coach?

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be an up and coming

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Speaker 1: assistant because that's the Steelers tradition and the name I

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Speaker 1: already keep hearing a lot is Chris Shola, thirty nine

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Speaker 1: as Mike the Course, he pointed out, they didn't have

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Speaker 1: a very good defense this year. But it's about the fit.

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Speaker 1: It's about I hate this term, but the vibe you get.

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Speaker 1: Will the guy come in here and contribute? What's his plan?

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Speaker 1: That's the thing about hiring a newke head coach. You

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Speaker 1: want to hear the plan that I remember when Ron

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Speaker 1: Heckstall was Penguins DM that the ownership, because the Penguins

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Speaker 1: for the team and he said, I can't really do that.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of in my head. I have trouble putting

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Speaker 1: on paper. And they said, yeah, well put it on paper.

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Speaker 2: Anyway. Let's go to the injer line injuer line, you're

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Speaker 5: M what's up section. Yeah, I don't really have a

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Speaker 5: know what really irks me is the national discourse so

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris Canty said today they should beg tom Win

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Speaker 1: to come back like and again, I hate to keep

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Speaker 1: harping on this, and I choose my words very carefully

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Speaker 1: because I don't have a racist thought in my head.

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Speaker 1: But nobody wants to criticize the pre eminent black coach

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Speaker 1: of his generation. That's a big part of not criticizing

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 5: Correct and Mike Greenberg said, be careful what you wish

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Speaker 5: for Pittsburgh. It's like, what are we supposed to wish for?

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Speaker 5: More playoff losses? Are we supposed to say?

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Speaker 2: Thanks?

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Speaker 5: Can I have another?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 6: What do they want from us?

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Speaker 7: At this point?

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Speaker 2: Kevin Bacon and Animahouse, thank you, sir? May I have another? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean, and to show you what I'm talking about,

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Speaker 1: John Harbaugh and Mike Tomlin have very similar resumes, and

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Speaker 1: there was no outcry when Baltimore ditched Tarbaugh.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Canon Beaver County.

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Speaker 8: Well, I'm maden. Is this kind of a repeat between

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Speaker 8: nineteen ninety one and ninety two where Chuck Noll knew

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Speaker 8: it was Tom to retire and they needed a new

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Speaker 8: head coach to turn out to be Bill Kauer. I mean, Tom,

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Speaker 8: it's just been in one place too long, that's all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he ever was a good coach, sir.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a fraud. I think he's a grifter.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a bs artist. I think he had

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Speaker 1: a great I think he had a great first four

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Speaker 1: years with cowers team. Oh yeah, players, culture, and and

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Speaker 1: the leaders. But the further we get away from that,

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Speaker 1: the more we see what a fraud he is. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I said when he won with Cower's team, I said,

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Speaker 1: it's unfair to say that he's the guy who won.

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Speaker 2: But again, the further we get.

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Speaker 8: Away, yeah, I never thought he was a great coach.

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Speaker 8: I thought he had inherited.

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Speaker 2: I never thought he was a good coach.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to go nine and eight,

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Speaker 1: he's your guy.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to John and bald.

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Speaker 7: Hey, Mark, how you doing great?

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Speaker 9: Hey?

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Speaker 7: I heard you mentioned Renegade, and I was gonna say

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Speaker 7: to you, you know, I want to those games earlier

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Speaker 7: this year. And you know, I don't know what you

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Speaker 7: thought about it, but I thought Renegade got to a

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Speaker 7: point where that was almost the song of the early

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Speaker 7: two thousand Steelers, and it was kind of wearing it.

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Speaker 7: Then It's like to a team that wasn't even that good.

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Speaker 7: I almost think they need to wait and use that

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Speaker 1: Playoff I think the most important thing to discuss about

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Speaker 1: the Steelers today is not the dismissal of Tom went

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Speaker 1: Well his resignation, and not who the next head coach is,

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Speaker 1: not who's going to play quarterback next year, but the

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Speaker 1: fate of goddamn Renegade.

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Speaker 2: That's all that's on my mind. You knit with Let's

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Speaker 2: go to Brian Yeah, hey, double m.

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Speaker 4: I think, in regard to Tomlin's legacy as well as

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Speaker 4: the song, Renegade should just.

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Speaker 9: Be forgotten, just thrown into a fire pit and burned.

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Speaker 2: Just burn most legacies are.

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Speaker 1: But Tom win won a Super Bowl and got to another,

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Speaker 1: that with, that's something that can never be taken away

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Speaker 1: there's some good to remember about Mike Tomlin, not nearly

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Speaker 1: as much as people like to pretend, not least his disciples.

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Speaker 1: And the no losing season's record means nothing to me

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Speaker 1: and it never did. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we had a bunch of calls on hold.

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Speaker 1: We got calls on the fifties coming up next, but

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Speaker 1: we just had calls pretty much that whole segment. Now

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Speaker 1: we got Mike the Fable of the Athletic At the

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Speaker 1: bottom of the hour, A Mark Mann one of we

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Speaker 1: won't be doing the Hockey Night Show tonight. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: do all this Tomlin crap up until the Penguin Network

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Speaker 1: pregame starts at six. Hockey fans, thank you for your patience.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather talk hockey, but this is too big. Great

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Speaker 1: time last night watching the game, despite the loss of

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Brewing Company out off for twenty eighth, Creighton biggest

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Speaker 1: big screen TV, so we got to see that ass

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Speaker 1: kicking larger than life and with a very clear picture.

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Speaker 2: A couple things just keep popping to mind.

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Speaker 1: About the Tomlin resignation, if that's what we're calling it,

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Speaker 1: this team's conduct, like just it's demeanor, behavior, attitude.

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Speaker 2: Culture, whatever you want to call it.

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Speaker 10: You let me take your money, but you'll let me

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Speaker 2: It is the end of an era.

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Speaker 10: I mean with Mike t you knew what you're gonna get, right.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 10: My fear is what if it turns into a carousel

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you don't you don't you know, ditch a guy.

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Speaker 2: This just couldn't go on. And I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't stand for it. It was unacceptable, it was embarrassing.

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Speaker 10: Well, what it felt like to me, Mark was you

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Matt and Okemont Matt real quick, hey.

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Speaker 5: Mark, maybe they could uh lord James Franklin away and

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Speaker 2: I have no idea what you mean that's like supposed

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Speaker 1: Good day, Mark, I said, good day you No, you know.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm sitting here watching ESPN and you know these.

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Speaker 1: He's the most celebrated coach in America right now at

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Speaker 1: And deservedly, so he no longer deserves the appreciation. When

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Speaker 6: Well, and I think that this is a great opportunity

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Speaker 6: to restructure how things work. The Pittsburgh Steelers are a

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Speaker 6: head coach organization where Mike Tomlin was basically Omar Khan's boss.

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Speaker 6: You look at the players that they acquired, they were

442
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Speaker 6: all players that Mike Tomlin had crushes on from Afar

443
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Speaker 6: Jalen Ramsey and DK Metcalf and Darius Slay. You know

444
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Speaker 6: this wasn't an Omar Khan decision. Those were Mike Tomlin moves.

445
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Speaker 6: And that has to change. There should be a power hierarchy,

446
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 6: and the general manager should be above the head coach.

447
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Speaker 6: He should be the one controlling personnel and roster decisions

448
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Speaker 6: and in that way controlling the staff, controlling which offensive

449
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Speaker 6: and defensive coordinators are hired. And so I think that

450
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Speaker 6: this should be an opportunity for a total reset. Whether

451
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Speaker 6: they do it or not, they're the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's what we want, but what we

453
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Speaker 1: want and what we get are off in two different things.

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Speaker 1: Then again, I didn't think i'd ever see another Steeler

455
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Speaker 1: head coach Mike beyond Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 2: Off your list, who would you bet on?

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Speaker 1: I know this is just pie in the sky because

458
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Speaker 1: we have no idea, but who would you pick?

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Speaker 2: Put it that way, would you pick Kubiak?

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Speaker 6: I think Kubiak would be near top the list of

461
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Speaker 6: who I personally would pick. And I think that also

462
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Speaker 6: the Steelers can't be afraid to make the wrong decision.

463
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Speaker 6: I think that the Patriots have shown a great example.

464
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Speaker 6: They moved on from Bill Belichick. As Jordan Hudson has

465
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Speaker 6: taught us, that was absolutely the right decision for them.

466
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Speaker 6: Then it completely fumbled their next coaching higher. But they

467
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 6: were smart enough to realize they had messed it up,

468
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Speaker 6: and they moved on, and now they've got the right guy,

469
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Speaker 6: and now they are right where they were supposed to

470
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Speaker 6: be and where they've been all along. And they're going

471
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Speaker 6: to be standing a top with a quarterback and a

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Speaker 6: head coach who know what they're doing. So this shouldn't

473
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Speaker 6: be a lifetime car tracked again. Don't be afraid to

474
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Speaker 6: make a mistake right here. But I think that he's won.

475
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 6: I think Marcus Freeman, in terms of internally, I think

476
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Speaker 6: that there have been discussions.

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Speaker 2: Would not Dame Mike.

478
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Speaker 1: I mean why I brought up Kurt Signetti then immediately

479
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: felt like I was a dope because why would he

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Speaker 1: leave Indiana.

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Speaker 6: I think that the only reason why they would and

482
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Speaker 6: I know that Marcus Freeman is they're backing brings trucks

483
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Speaker 6: up to his house and dumping wheelbarrows for a full

484
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Speaker 6: one hundred dollars bills on his front porch right now

485
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Speaker 6: to try to keep.

486
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Speaker 2: Him at Notre Dame.

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Speaker 6: But these guys, when you look at football guys, they're

488
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Speaker 6: wired as competitors and some of them want to do

489
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Speaker 6: it at the top level and for somebody make he'll

490
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Speaker 6: make top dollars with the Steelers, or at least he'll

491
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Speaker 6: be very well compensated where he won't have to worry

492
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Speaker 6: about money and he'll get to do it at the

493
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Speaker 6: highest level. And I think to some coaches that would

494
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Speaker 6: mean more than an additional CU million dollars in their pocket.

495
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Speaker 6: So you would have to pay him comparably, or you

496
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Speaker 6: would have to pay him competitively, But I think you could.

497
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Speaker 6: You could lure him in other college like coaches with

498
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Speaker 6: that kind of a sales stitch.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Mike de fab Oh.

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Speaker 1: He's brought to us by Armstrong the Internet, you kind

501
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 1: on the people you trust Armstrong on Wired dot Com. Mike,

502
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Speaker 1: what was Tomlin's single biggest mistake or mistakes like one

503
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Speaker 1: or two? Where did he lose the plot and lead

504
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Speaker 1: us to what happened today?

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Speaker 6: I think that truthfully, this non losing season streak, which

506
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 6: has been propped up and is honestly ridiculous, because just

507
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 6: because you didn't lose doesn't make you a winner. But

508
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 6: for some reason, this it's been some celebration of mediocrity.

509
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Speaker 6: I think that that's where they went astray, where Mike

510
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 6: Tomlin never was willing to look at the bigger picture.

511
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 6: He was never willing to take his sunglasses off and

512
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Speaker 6: look further than the season, or the game or the

513
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 6: play right in front of him and realize that, look,

514
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Speaker 6: you can't keep doing it and slapping a forty year

515
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Speaker 6: old quarterback onto an aging football team and think that

516
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Speaker 6: you're somehow going to be different. You can't look at

517
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Speaker 6: a defense that now for the fourth consecutive year, was

518
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Speaker 6: the highest paid defense and has been repeatedly embarrassed, to

519
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Speaker 6: the point that from the beginning when they signed TJ.

520
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 6: Watt and make a Fitzpatrick shortly thereafter when they ran

521
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Speaker 6: out of fireworks at Arrowhead Stadium because Patrick Mahomes was

522
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Speaker 6: running circles around them, up until last year where a

523
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Speaker 6: historic playoff choker Lamar Jackson had his best game and

524
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 6: is really his only good game in the best game

525
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 6: as a quarterback in the playoffs against the same defense.

526
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Speaker 6: They still believe in these guys even though they were older.

527
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Speaker 6: So this really is the time for reset. If I

528
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Speaker 6: were the Steelers, here's what I would do. I would

529
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Speaker 6: trade TJ. Watt, I would hit the reset button. I

530
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 6: would sell the fan base that is obsessed with Will

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Speaker 6: Howard on a false promise that he could be your

532
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Speaker 6: quarterback and let him start for twenty twenty six. Let

533
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Speaker 6: things go forward, letter and they like it.

534
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Speaker 1: At least let him get the chance to show he

535
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: can or can't the exhibitions and yeah, experiment. Uh that

536
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: would say the fan base. Although, Mike, isn't it dangerous

537
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: when you do things for the fan base?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think what you would be doing then is

539
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Speaker 6: you would be positioning yourself to actually draft the quarterback

540
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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty seven. It gets you out of this

541
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Speaker 6: purgatory that you're in right now.

542
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Speaker 1: Maybe even hell, oh Will Howard, they think they're getting

543
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: the quarterback in the future, but you're actually going for

544
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Speaker 1: four and thirteen.

545
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Speaker 2: I like it. You think like I do better than

546
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 2: I do. Mike, get didn't occur.

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Speaker 9: To me.

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Speaker 6: Because look at the quarterback class. This was supposed to

549
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 6: be a promising class right now. Fernando Mendoza might be

550
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 6: the only guy who legitimately is a first round talent

551
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 6: is going to prove to be that. The Vegas Raiders

552
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 6: are sitting right there ready to grab them. So you're

553
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 6: not getting Fernando Mendoza no matter what you're willing to

554
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 6: give up. I don't care about those twelve draft picks.

555
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Speaker 6: I don't care about Mike Tomlin maybe trading him to

556
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 6: a team to acquire additional draft capital. So I think

557
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 6: that you've got to just position yourself to get the quarterback.

558
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Speaker 6: It's the only way out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think they're gonna get him this year.

560
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Speaker 1: I think you're right, that's actually a reasonable plan to

561
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Speaker 1: patch work. I mean, I think Will Howard sucks, but

562
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: that might be just what the doctor ordered.

563
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. The TJ.

564
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Speaker 1: Watt thing intrigues me too, because like there's no point

565
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Speaker 1: in having him, no point having Cam Hayward, no point

566
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Speaker 1: heaving Jalen Ramsey. I don't know how you ditch those contracts.

567
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: It's a lot of dead cap. Maybe you just eat

568
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: it because I don't think anybody's gonna trade for what,

569
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Speaker 1: let alone them other two.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that what maybe some dumb team and

571
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 6: some GM might talk them into that. But also you

572
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 6: have to wonder if kJ would be completely open to

573
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 6: being moved because he and Ben A. Tomlin got and

574
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Speaker 6: at one point I remember standing there where he was

575
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 6: saying that he had something written into his contract, or

576
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 6: it was important in his contract. I think that's how

577
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 6: he phrased it was important in his contract that he

578
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 6: played only.

579
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Speaker 2: For Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 1: Well, then he's a self important prick who's every bit

581
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: the loser that his playoff record proves he is.

582
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Speaker 6: So I wonder if he'd be willing to a trade

583
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Speaker 6: that could help reset this team as they get need

584
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Speaker 6: to get younger, and if they're willing to do what's necessary.

585
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: Well, Mike Tomlin hold a farewell pressure to address his

586
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: friends in the Pittsburgh media.

587
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Speaker 6: I don't think that he likes any single one of us,

588
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Speaker 6: so I would seriously doubt that one.

589
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Speaker 1: What's your hunts? How fast does this play out? I

590
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: do think Rooney to some degree was caught by surprise here.

591
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Speaker 1: I don't think they met today intending for it to

592
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: end today, do you well?

593
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Speaker 6: I mean, it was certainly speculated about considerably with him

594
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Speaker 6: the media, and not only speculated, it seemed to be

595
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Speaker 6: reaching where people knew that this was going to happen,

596
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 6: and so maybe he didn't know. But at the same time, Mark,

597
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Speaker 6: I mean, I talked to a couple people within the

598
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 6: organization this week trying to get their pulse on what

599
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 6: was going on, and they were telling me, like, man,

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Speaker 6: you're out of your gorge there's no way that Mike

601
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Speaker 6: Tomlin's going to walk away. Here to the point that

602
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 6: I have a bet with somebody within the staff and

603
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 6: they owe me a keg of beer right now and

604
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Speaker 6: for being wrong and telling me that they didn't think

605
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Speaker 6: that Mike tom was going to walk away. So I

606
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Speaker 6: think at least some people were surprised.

607
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Speaker 1: Finally, Mike, what would you say were his biggest mistake? Like, oh,

608
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Speaker 1: we actually asked this before. Let me throw the ones

609
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Speaker 1: I think were his biggest mistakes at you. He drafted

610
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Speaker 1: Pickett that set them back five years and that may

611
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Speaker 1: wind up being longer than that, and that.

612
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: Was his call.

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Speaker 1: He also lost the culture, and it became the worst

614
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Speaker 1: kind of culture, a bad culture that thought it was

615
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: a good culture, like like that DK Metcalf thing when

616
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: he went after the fan of Golut suspended. If the

617
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: coach has the team in pocket, that just doesn't happen.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll take that one step further, Mark, and I

619
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Speaker 6: agree with your point there. He almost was like the

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Speaker 6: girl that thought that they could fix the bad boy

621
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Speaker 6: and they could fix anyone's problems. And I think the

622
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 6: best example is the playoff draft that ultimately caused Mike

623
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Speaker 6: Tomlin to be to walk away. Here it began in

624
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 6: twenty seventeen when Le'Veon Bell showed up late for that

625
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 6: game against the Jacksonville Jaguars. Okay, and clearly Mike Tomlin

626
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 6: did not have control of Le'Veon Bell. He was not

627
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 6: able to relate to players better than anybody else. And

628
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 6: you fast forward and here we have last year George

629
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 6: Pickens showing up late to Christmas week after Mike Tomlin

630
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 6: said it was time for him to grow up. And

631
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Speaker 6: now this year, Mike them trading for a guy like

632
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 6: DK Metcalf that the Seattle Seahawks wanted to move on

633
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 6: from for exactly the reason that you.

634
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: Saw in Detroit.

635
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Speaker 6: So I think that you hit the nail on the

636
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 6: head right there where Mike Tomlin believed that he could

637
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 6: reach everybody. And unfortunately in the NFL, the more and

638
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 6: more I'm around these football players and get to know them,

639
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 6: that's just not true.

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Speaker 2: Mike.

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Speaker 1: Are you have in trouble like writing about this? Like

642
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: I got to write a call them tomorrow for the Trib.

643
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: I don't know where to start. They're just so much stuff.

644
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: It came out of nowhere.

645
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, you got to just let the word slow, Mark,

646
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 6: because there's plenty of material and you can dissect it

647
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 6: in every single different angle, and there's you can just

648
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 6: continue and continue to look at questions about Tom Win

649
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 6: and what went wrong, questions about this organization and where

650
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 6: they need to pivot. And I think that this really,

651
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 6: this should be a resets for the organization as a whole.

652
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 6: I think that that's my biggest takeaway is you're doing

653
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 6: something in some senses that you've never done with a

654
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 6: coach walking away the way that he is right now,

655
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 6: Now it's time to start. Now, it's time to continue

656
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 6: to do things that you've never done.

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Speaker 2: I could not have put it better.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Mike, you've had the best idea

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Speaker 1: all day, tanking using a bummy popular quarterback. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: call it the Will Howard gambit moving forward and I

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Speaker 6: Thanks, Mark, I appreciate you to having me on and

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Speaker 6: all the support.

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Speaker 2: As always.

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Speaker 1: I'm to ask Mark Anything, but I have a hunch

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Speaker 2: The FABO.

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Speaker 1: If you're listening, you got to do a column on

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Speaker 1: the Will Howard gambit, it's sheer genius. Let's go to

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Speaker 9: This is very interesting.

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Speaker 13: You're talking about a column in a different angles and

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Speaker 13: the replacements are I mean, they likely won't have a

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Speaker 13: long career like Tomlin because they're inheriting generally a mess.

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Speaker 13: So there's a good chance this next guy could be

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Speaker 13: like in for three years and out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but what if Art just doesn't want to fire

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Speaker 1: the coach, just like the organization has not fired the

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Speaker 1: last three coaches.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I think one thing they need to get away from

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Speaker 1: is being married to the idea of giving the guy

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Speaker 1: not a lifetime contract. But you know, nineteen years for Tomlin,

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Speaker 1: my god, and he should have been out of here

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Speaker 1: years ago. I think what needs to happen, like the

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Speaker 1: Penguins have done twice, you need to get kind of

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Speaker 1: an interim coach in there to develop, like with Michael Arran,

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Speaker 1: who's gonna be on the show this week, by the way,

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Speaker 1: and then another guy comes in to win. Although as

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Speaker 1: it turns out, Terarian was the better coach than Bosma,

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Speaker 1: but Bosma had one great qualification with the players. He

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Speaker 1: wasn't Tarryan and the Mike Johnston thing. That wasn't really

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Speaker 1: the pattern, but you get my drift. I agree with

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Speaker 1: you and that they shouldn't be married to a long,

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Speaker 1: long term coaching higher. Thank you for the call. Humor disappeared.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Jason. Jason, you're on naskmark anything.

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Speaker 9: And mark ideas for head coaching candidates. The Rams offensive

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Speaker 9: coordinator Michael Floor and I let to pay him up

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Speaker 9: with Mike McDaniels, the offensive coordinator for the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Don't you think Mike McDaniel's likely to get a head

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Speaker 1: coaching job. I think he's gonna get the the Stefanski's

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Speaker 1: job in Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: What about my idea of hiring Stefanski.

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna tall with it. He didn't forget how to coach,

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Speaker 9: and you're right he did get uh kind of.

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Speaker 1: Wanted Shawn DeShawn, the hand job guy. What's his name, DeShawn?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Watson wat yeah guy. Yeah. I don't know if

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Speaker 9: if the Steelers hands would like him, just because he

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Speaker 9: kind of has the stink of the Browns on him.

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Speaker 2: Just that's too bad.

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Speaker 1: Tomlin has the stink of these last seven playoff losses

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Speaker 1: on him in the last nine years on him, the

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Speaker 1: one the pairing who was the assistant coach. He said

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Speaker 1: they should hire the name again. Oh yeah, yeah, right.

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Speaker 1: Here's the problem with that. If you had him as

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Speaker 1: the head coach and McDaniel, a former head coach, is

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Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, that that might be a volatile mix,

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Speaker 1: especially if McDaniel feels he has more experience and knows

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Speaker 1: more than than than the the flur.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Steve. Steve, you're on with Mark, So.

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Speaker 4: I'm calling in to officially announcement. I'm on board with

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Speaker 4: the Will Howard gambit. I love it, and I wanted

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Speaker 4: your take on the Yeah. I don't know if you

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Speaker 4: call it like the ethics of tanking, Yeah, to get

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Speaker 4: better draft picks, because well, no.

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Speaker 1: No, no, you wouldn't necessarily be tanking. You'd just be

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Speaker 1: playing a crappy quarterback. Nobody goes out there trying to lose.

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Speaker 1: I saw the greatest tank job of all time. Peng

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Speaker 1: was an eighty three eighty four to get Mario. The

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Speaker 1: players tried their best, eg just kept trading away pieces

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Speaker 1: to get more future Like Randy Carlile, their best defenseman

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Speaker 1: just a few years off of Norris Trophy win to

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Speaker 1: win a peg for a first round pick.

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Speaker 2: He just kept making the team a little bit worse.

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Speaker 1: So while the players tried to win, they just weren't

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Speaker 1: gonna And of course he did the great goaltending switch,

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Speaker 1: sending the winning goal to the Miners and bringing up

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Speaker 1: Vincent Tromplay, a guy I later scored on in a

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Speaker 1: deck hockey game.

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Speaker 4: Like if pulling a move like that, would you call that?

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Speaker 4: You know, like, you know, quote quote unquote, that's the

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Speaker 4: cool because I know Miles Garrett was saying something about

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Speaker 4: that of like, you know, we're not out here to lose.

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Speaker 4: We don't care about draft picks.

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Speaker 2: And if no, no, the players don't care about draft picks.

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Speaker 1: So what's your job as a GM to care and

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Speaker 1: make sure you got a good chance to get the

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Speaker 1: pick you want. And Will Howard could be the instrument

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Speaker 1: of that. Let's go to David David Drome with double.

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Speaker 4: M Hey, Mark, I want to talk about hockey.

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Speaker 2: Now we're not gonna do that. Let's go to Jude

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Speaker 2: and shady side. Jude, what's up?

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Speaker 11: Mark was very pleasantly surprised by the news today just

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Speaker 11: certainly time for the organization to move forward. You were

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Speaker 11: talking with Mike di Sego to Fabo about Mark, you know,

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Speaker 11: commins the biggest mistakes. I guess this goes along with

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Speaker 11: the culture of expiating, but I think, you know, not

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Speaker 11: not winning more in that twenty eleven to twenty eighteen

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Speaker 11: stretch with Ben in its prime and the talent.

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Speaker 2: That they had.

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Speaker 11: I know, that's a little more overarching, but that was

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Speaker 11: very disappointing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he wasted the Killer Bees for sure, But again,

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Speaker 1: like the FABO said, he never had control of those guys.

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Speaker 1: You know, all the crap that happened with ab and

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Speaker 1: him being allowed to live off campus and Mike talked

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Speaker 1: about Bell showing up late for a playoff game, I

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Speaker 1: mean all that.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, and do you think do you think this decision?

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Speaker 11: Do you think the draft had any bearing on this?

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Speaker 11: This decision and Rooney kind of fearing the embarrassment that

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Speaker 11: he could have faced having extended Tom and then hearing

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Speaker 11: you know, fire or boot booze and chance.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I never thought of that.

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Speaker 1: I do think it's odd that they fired the coach

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Speaker 1: before the draft because that will be talked about NonStop

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Speaker 1: on TV during the draft. But we shouldn't forget Tom

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Speaker 1: would quit. I keep saying fired, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: I think it's like fifty one resigned, forty nine percent fired.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Mike or Jake. Jake, you're on with

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Speaker 1: double Mum. I said, good day, all right, So this

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Speaker 1: is going into your will, Howard gambit here that to

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Speaker 1: say that I was talking about.

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Speaker 5: So we need a guy that's going to buy in

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Speaker 5: to the will.

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Speaker 2: Howard hype as well.

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Speaker 8: And there's no one else better than John Grudden himself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not gonna bring him in. Goodbye.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to bring a showbiz coach in. We're

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Speaker 1: not going to bring effingk John Gruden in, a showbized

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Speaker 1: coach who had problems with the league got him back.

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Speaker 2: No, they're not bringing John Gruden in. And it's a

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Speaker 2: bad idea, So shut the freak up. One oh five

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Speaker 2: ninety X. Now here's your chim