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Speaker 1: It's a Tuesday edition of the Afternoon Ardvark on a

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Speaker 1: weather now overcast, still pretty chilly weekday afternoon here in

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Speaker 1: the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul. My name

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Speaker 1: is Dan Barrero Ekstein retch for many many years, including

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Speaker 1: Now it's the Minnesota Star Tribune. Guardsy is a two

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Speaker 1: time state high school tennis champion. Not only voice of

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Speaker 1: State High School Basketball Tournament girls side.

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Speaker 2: That's not true. What do you mean that's not true?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean it's not true? I filled in,

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Speaker 2: I did it. I wouldn't say I'm the official voice

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Speaker 2: of it. Well, there's no going back now. I'm not

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Speaker 2: to break it to anybody. So who's in charge of that?

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Speaker 2: Is that the MSHSL. Honestly, I don't know. I think

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Speaker 1: Come on, I know you can't say it, but I'll

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Speaker 1: More than that later Bradshawn and Brian kfe And text

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Speaker 1: I covered a lot of baseball teams. When I say covered,

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Speaker 2: The privilege of listing.

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Speaker 1: Listening, I should say to players crack stupid jokes and

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Speaker 2: Were you a member of the BBWA, Yeah, I was,

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Speaker 1: Now, there was kind of an unwritten dress code for

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Speaker 1: Tonight is the World Baseball Classic Championship game?

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Speaker 2: Is that correct? I'll take your word for it. You

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Speaker 1: Venezuela comes from behind to beat Italia. That was a

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Speaker 1: nice little story. Italy's run four to two. We won

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Speaker 1: Tell me if ball guys, if you were a ball guy,

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Speaker 1: The US arrived at the World Baseball Classic boasting a

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Speaker 2: We know it's not good. Base New York Mets.

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Speaker 1: Right handed Nolan McLain will take the ball in tonight's

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Speaker 2: Now, he says, you're crazy if you don't want to

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Speaker 1: It's an unbelievable experience for me, and everybody loves this kid.

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Speaker 1: He's talented, allegedly has one of the most dynamic young

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Speaker 1: But as the journal guy writes, the mere fact that

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Speaker 1: That has left US manager Mark Deroza with limited options

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Speaker 1: He's not alone, the Padres manager, saying they're still deciding

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Speaker 1: Everybody's getting into this. This is big time. This is

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Speaker 1: And the sidebar has to do with our guy, because

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Speaker 1: Joe Ryan says, he's raising his hands saying I'm available.

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Speaker 2: Ryan was left off.

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Speaker 2: Now you went on a Friday night. If I missed

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Speaker 2: something in some spots, maybe it's like nothing was open

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Speaker 2: on a Friday night at ten o'clock. Just wanted some

441
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Speaker 2: bottled water? That was so what to do?

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Speaker 1: I found another It wasn't Super America. Might have been

443
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Speaker 1: a holiday. I found another one that was open. I

444
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Speaker 1: think to eleventh. Nothing's open twenty four hours anymore. Those

445
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Speaker 1: days are over, aren't they at a lot of places? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Seaffert, Let's see what he does when he needs

447
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: bottled water like ten or five on a Friday night.

448
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Speaker 1: That and maybe some football quarterback conversation with him seafort

449
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Speaker 1: his neck. I think our next guest might know something

450
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Speaker 1: about the the unwritten rules of baseball, including proper, tasteful,

451
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Speaker 1: appropriate apparel to wear.

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Speaker 2: If you're a ball guy at spring training.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Seafford joins us via the Connectico Water Systems hotline

454
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Speaker 1: if you have questions for him. Bras Seawan Bryan Cafe

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Speaker 1: in text line is open six four, six eighty six.

456
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Speaker 1: You covered a decent amount of ball somewhere, didn't you, Way.

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Speaker 3: Back in the day. I covered the Baltimore Orioles in

458
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Speaker 3: nineties so yes, I was exposed to the world of ball.

459
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Speaker 1: So did you have an understanding of what the proper

460
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Speaker 1: spring training apparel was around the batting cage for writers?

461
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Speaker 3: I mean, I I can only tell you it was.

462
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 3: It was shorts and a T shirt. For me. It

463
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 3: was hot. The spring training I covered with the Orioles

464
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Speaker 3: is when they were in Fort Lauderdale, and so it

465
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 3: was almost as far south as you can get from

466
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Speaker 3: Florida and already pretty hot by the time March arrived.

467
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Speaker 3: So that was my twenty three year old decision to

468
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Speaker 3: as far as being professional, do you.

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Speaker 1: Recall whether the shorts themselves that you tended to wear

470
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Speaker 1: were solid, were solid colors or design patterns things like that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever worn design anything, whether it

472
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: was patterns, designer brands, so I would assume that in

473
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Speaker 3: my particular case, they were very plain.

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Speaker 1: I got lectured first spring training I ever attended, because

475
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Speaker 1: I did cover some baseball in Atlanta and a little

476
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: bit in Texas, but I'd never been to spring training

477
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Speaker 1: until I came here to be a columnist, and so

478
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: it would have been the eighty seven spring training and I,

479
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I don't think I was conscious of

480
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: trying to be a rebel. But it was a pair

481
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Speaker 1: of shorts that I described earlier as almost having even

482
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Speaker 1: though they were shorts Azuba's like pattern. And as I'm

483
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: approaching the batting cage, the first other inkstain retch I

484
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: run into is Patrick ROYCEI and he looks at me,

485
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: looks up and down and says, you got some nerve, boy.

486
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 2: But he was, you know, cause he's a ball guy.

487
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: Roy He thinks he acts like he's a contrarian, but

488
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: on stuff like that, he believes in the code, the

489
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: baseball code. And I felt like naked wearing this weird

490
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: pattern shorts, like everybody was looking a scan said this

491
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Speaker 1: new guy. First of all, I was the new guy

492
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Speaker 1: that was part of it. And I'm sure Sid if

493
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Speaker 1: he was down there, must have said something too. So

494
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Speaker 1: I guess the lesson was, if you're gonna wear shorts,

495
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Speaker 1: solid and dark.

496
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Speaker 2: Colors, very tasteful, that's what you're supposed to do.

497
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Speaker 1: Even though I would argue there's nothing particularly classy or

498
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Speaker 1: tasteful about anything that goes on around a batting cage

499
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Speaker 1: at spring training.

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Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't sure where you were going with it,

501
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: because I don't know if I've told you this story,

502
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 3: but the worst, the most savage browbeating I ever took

503
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Speaker 3: as a ball rider came around the batting cage. And

504
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: I'm sure this is a code that I still to

505
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 3: this day don't fully understand. But I was according to

506
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 3: a coach on the team that I didn't cover. It

507
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: was it was before a sprint training game. I won't

508
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: mention the coach, but he did become very prominent, already

509
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 3: was very prominent. I think he was the hitting coach

510
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: of that team. He just rained me out for stepping

511
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: on the grass too much instead of staying on the

512
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: dirt around the cage. And so I don't know if

513
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Speaker 3: he thought that I was going to be ruining the

514
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: grass for the game or for if the grass was

515
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: only reserved for uniform personnel, or if he thought he

516
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: was worried I would be getting scooped, or you know,

517
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: one percent chance that he was worried I might get

518
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: hit by a ball that ricocheted through the net or

519
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: something in one of those spring trainers. I don't know,

520
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 3: but it was savage. It was profane, really, and I

521
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: looked around it was and like people, I don't people

522
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 3: are laughing, and I'm not sure. Again, maybe I was

523
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,719
Speaker 3: the butt of the joke and didn't realize it, but

524
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: it felt very real, and I always made sure to

525
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Speaker 3: stay on the dirt whenever possible in future visits.

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Speaker 2: I think you don't figure you've given enough info that

527
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Speaker 2: I'm going to figure out who it is that's an

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Speaker 2: embarrassing It certainly.

529
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Speaker 3: Wasn't written in those days. We kept it to the

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Speaker 3: nuts and bolts. There was no social media to put

531
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Speaker 3: that sort of stuff on. But yeah, so I'll if you,

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Speaker 3: you know, if you salute it out, there's nothing I

533
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Speaker 3: can do to stop you. I know you're both excellent reporters,

534
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: but I will.

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Speaker 1: Well, what you're crystallizing is exactly why I can't stand

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Speaker 1: that side of baseball. All of you know, we always

537
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: we get about all the unwritten rules governing the ball itself, right,

538
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: and when you can steal second base and when you can't,

539
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: and when you can bunt and when you can't. There's

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00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: a whole other set of unwritten rules having to do

541
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Speaker 1: with this nonsense.

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00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you just nailed one right there, you go.

543
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: We what do we stop? Do?

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Speaker 1: Stop taking yourself so seriously that I brushed against a

545
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: blade of your your precious grass. What are you talking about?

546
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: There's no other sport. I think that it has that

547
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: sort of sanctimony attached to it.

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Speaker 3: No, and again, to this day, I don't know if

549
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 3: it was a put on or what, but it felt

550
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: very real and it certainly fits into the other stories

551
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Speaker 3: and things we know about the unwritten rules.

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Speaker 1: There's no question by the way Chris f is listening,

553
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: He writes, I remember seeing one Lavelle E Neil the

554
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: third years ago a twin spring training game, looking very

555
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: casual and also sporting a nice barbecue sauce stain on

556
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Speaker 1: his shirt. Sports writer here from Chicago Lakes Area News

557
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: paper Sid once stopped his keynote speech to yell at

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Speaker 1: me for wearing a hat when I was at the

559
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Speaker 1: Minnesota Newspaper Association banquet.

560
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: So many unwritten rules, man, it's it's.

561
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: This Racy wants yelled at me for wearing, in his

562
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: own way, wearing a baseball hat backwards in the office,

563
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: which probably wasn't the smartest. It wasn't like I mean,

564
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: it's supposed to be somewhat professional in the office, despite

565
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: all the many unprofessional things that happened in that office

566
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Speaker 3: over the years, but that was probably he probably had

567
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Speaker 3: a point on that one.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think I'm sure you were finding it. The

569
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: backwards baseball cap thing got a little too weird, Like

570
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: who's who's in charge of deciding when you can wear

571
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Speaker 1: it that way when you can't. I'm not sure I

572
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: ever understood that one. Really, it's akin to that, it's

573
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: it's it's all connected.

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Speaker 2: To the same subject. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's your toss up. This is actually from the

576
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Speaker 1: same Chris, here's your toss up. Vikings question. Anything to

577
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: the rumor the Twins want to swap JJ McCarthy for

578
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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson.

579
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Speaker 3: Uh, I do not think that would be a fair trade. No,

580
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: but uh And frankly, like there's been so much discussion

581
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 3: about Anthony Richardson and you know, send me, you know, seriously,

582
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 3: but it doesn't feel to me as the Vikings are

583
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: in position to take on a reclamation project of any

584
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: kind in addition to what they already have on their

585
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: on their hands, and so, uh, you know, eventually, I

586
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: assume Anthony Richardson and the Cults are going to part

587
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 3: way as a way or the other, and if the

588
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: Vikings want to assign one of their assistant coaches to

589
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 3: to see if they can they can rehab him into

590
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 3: uh into the football player that he people thought he

591
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: was gonna be. I guess that would make some long

592
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: term sense, But it feels like all of their resources

593
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: in terms of quarterback development need to go towards the

594
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: two guys some primary guys they have on the roster

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00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 2: Do we want?

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Speaker 1: Somebody wrote, I don't know if it was you or

598
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: someone else, I think suggested that the Vikings might want

599
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: another veteran quarterback to add to the depth of the

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Speaker 1: quarterback room. I don't know if you agree with that

601
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: or not, but is it possible We kind of do

602
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: want our own case Keenum, in other words, a veteran

603
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 1: guy that we really don't want to have to play,

604
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: but that we do think might be helpful as a

605
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: conduit as a guy, because allegedly Caleb Williams loves having

606
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: our guy case around and he just got another two

607
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: year contract. So yeah, what do you where do you

608
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: think we're going behind? Obviously the two main quarterbacks we're

609
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: aware of.

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Speaker 3: I think it's possible they add another veteran I don't

611
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: know if it's going to be causing what if that

612
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 3: has been discussed nationally a little bit or someone like him.

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00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 3: But I go back to the twenty twenty three season

614
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Speaker 3: where Kirk Cousins, as you remember, Tears of Achilles, uh,

615
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 3: and they already had Nick Mullins who was injured, and

616
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: they had to eventually go to Jaron Hall and Josh Dobbs.

617
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: And in some of those games, the quarterback play, to

618
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: be to be kind, was very limited. I mean, Jaren

619
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 3: Hall probably should not have been on an NFL field

620
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 3: as a rookie at least. And then last year some

621
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Speaker 3: similar situations happened where they Max Brosman.

622
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Speaker 2: Careful guards, he's gonna get be careful.

623
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Speaker 3: Now. It's the truth that Max Brozmer was on the

624
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: field and as an undrafted rookie, he you know, frankly

625
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 3: probably shouldn't have been on the field either. And their

626
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 3: offense was extremely limited in those games as well. And

627
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 3: I know in twenty twenty three we asked U Mark

628
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Speaker 3: Wilf if he sort of gave the coaches or the

629
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Speaker 3: or the front office a pass given how many quarterback

630
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 3: injuries there had been on the way to the losing season,

631
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 3: and he said, he said no, he said part of

632
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: the part of the job of the people building the

633
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: team is to make sure that there's you know, satisfactory

634
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 3: quarterback play on the field at all time. And then

635
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 3: so that happened again this past year when their third

636
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 3: quarterback was Max Brosmer and he gets on the field.

637
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: Now it's hard to really come to hard on people

638
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 3: for the performance of the team or the quarterback when

639
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 3: you get down to quarterback three year, quarterback four. There's

640
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 3: just it's just hard in those situations. But I think

641
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 3: that in this season where their quarterback decisions and their

642
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 3: quarterback judgment is going to be very much scrutinized by

643
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 3: ownership and by fans and people around the league, that

644
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: I don't foresee them. It doesn't feel like it's a

645
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 3: good idea for them, And I think that they probably

646
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: have some thoughts similarly of having too many unproven quarterbacks

647
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: on your roster. And so what I've been thinking that

648
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: is that the likeliest scenario is going to be that

649
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 3: the most inexperienced quarterback on the roster is will be

650
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy. And that doesn't mean they part ways with

651
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: Max Brozemer. You've got practice squad, you have lots of

652
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 3: ways to you know, potentially keep him in the fold,

653
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 3: but it would be a repeating pattern that I know

654
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: ownership is already on record as not necessarily liking if

655
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Speaker 3: they were to have, you know, Kyler Murray say be

656
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Speaker 3: a starter and he gets hurt and eventually JJ McCarthy's

657
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: on the field, maybe he's not able to play, and

658
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: you're left with a quarterback who is unproven. And so

659
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: I have tended to think that that's the direction they're

660
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 3: going to go. I don't have a specific name that

661
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 3: I'm certain that they're going to go to in that regard,

662
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: but it sure feels like if they're, you know, just

663
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 3: based on what ownership has said in public, that that

664
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Speaker 3: would be the likeliest scenario.

665
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Speaker 1: I think you're seeing it clearly right there for sure,

666
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: Kevin See for ESPN dot com. Why do you believe

667
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: it was, at least so far been so hard for

668
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Speaker 1: the Vikings. More specifically, I guess you could say the

669
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: head coach to just flat out proclaim, yeah, we brought

670
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray in here to be our starter in twenty

671
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: twenty six, no matter what month. Times I get it,

672
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: it's early and all that about. I guess I don't

673
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: understand why that's such a leap.

674
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for a couple of reasons. One is

675
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 3: that they might need JJ McCarty this year. And I

676
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 3: think that they believe that the way to optimize his

677
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: development and maybe speed it up a little bit is

678
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: to put some pressure on him and put him in

679
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: a spot where he feels like it's a competition and

680
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 3: that they're giving him a fair chance to elevate his

681
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: play and win the job. Now, whether that happens or not,

682
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: everybody can assign their own their own likelihood to that

683
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: or if you know, if Kyler Murray gets hurt at

684
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 3: some point, they might need JJ McCarthy to win them

685
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 3: some games this year. And I don't think that they've

686
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: completely given up on him in terms of the future,

687
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 3: Yeah and so, and because they don't need to and

688
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 3: he's still an asset. So I think I think that

689
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 3: that's that's part of it. And you know, they while

690
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: they have a lot of great hopes and ideas for

691
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: how to mix and match their scheme with Kyler Murray's skills,

692
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not one hundred percent that it's going

693
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 3: to work out. And so, uh, you know, we we

694
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 3: think it's going to go in a certain direction. We've

695
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 3: seen a lot of Kayler Murray on the field to know,

696
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 3: you know, what he's potentially capable of, and we've seen

697
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: a lot of the vikings offense when Kevin O'Connell has

698
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 3: it rolling pretty good to think that there's a lot

699
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 3: of opportunity there. But you know, I guess there's there's

700
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: something to be said for just coming out.

701
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: And saying, you know, I believe in this guy.

702
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 3: This guy, Kyler Murray is my guy. Uh. We're not

703
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 3: giving up on JJ McCarthy, but Kyler Murray is is

704
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 3: a great player and we can't wait to see how

705
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 3: great a team we can be with him and just

706
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 3: start it off right in that way. And it's possible

707
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 3: that and said behind the scenes, but in terms of publicly,

708
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 3: in terms of JJ, I think that they just want

709
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: to try to optimize the impact that competition can have

710
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: on his development before they make that public.

711
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 1: Come, will you promise me one thing moving forward as

712
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: you explore whatever the future is at quarterback, which we

713
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: I think mostly assume the intent is that Murray is

714
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Speaker 1: brought in to start on barring injury, et cetera, that

715
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: you won't pretend that many of the concerns that have

716
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: been expressed about Murray that pre date any of the

717
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: Vikings conversations about acquiring him, don't suddenly go unreported or ignored,

718
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 1: almost as if they don't exist. I mean, I guess

719
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is, I don't have a problem with Well,

720
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: here's actually a lot of encouraging numbers. You put him

721
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: in this system whatever, that he can make plays. He

722
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 1: has had some seasons where his yardage totals have been legit.

723
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: He didn't have greatness around him. I get all of that.

724
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 1: But what I worry is that we once he becomes

725
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: our guy, there's a little bit of Stockholm syndrome that

726
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: sets in, and it's We're gonna suddenly forget and dismiss

727
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: all of the I think legitimate concerns that his career

728
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: has raised about whether he was ever going to realize

729
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: the potential he seemed to show when he was picked.

730
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: Number one, is that a pledge you can accept.

731
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 3: So in terms of the media coverage, in terms of

732
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 3: how I think the Viking.

733
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 2: Media coverage, media coverage.

734
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, and I have tried to be

735
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 3: balanced with it, and I do believe that, like there's

736
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 3: some things, especially when there are personal things that have

737
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 3: been brought up over the years, that there's there's value

738
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 3: to wiping the slate clean in terms of whether it's

739
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 3: off the field or even the issue with the Homer

740
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 3: clause that I think has gotten a lot of gotten

741
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 3: a lot of play back in the day, and in

742
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 3: terms of what I've been able to understand about it

743
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: so far is that it had as much to do

744
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 3: with some poor decision making on the part of the

745
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 3: Cardinals as it did with Kyler Murray. But I look

746
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 3: like what I think we can say with certainty and

747
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 3: will continue to say, is that this is a quarterback

748
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 3: is being paid by another team and hope and was

749
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: available for the veteran minimum than any NFL team in

750
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 3: theory could have tried to pursue. And I think there

751
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: would have been other interests if something hadn't worked out

752
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: with the Vikings, but the Vikings were clearly the ones

753
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: that showed the most the most interest, and that's why

754
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: it got done so quickly. So I think it's possible

755
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 3: to not belabor old tropes but also be balanced in

756
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 3: exactly how you know high the ceiling really is and

757
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: what the potential is for the floor as well, and

758
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: at the same time stately objectively that he's their best

759
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,959
Speaker 3: option right now, and what's their best option for accomplishing

760
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 3: the goal that they wanted to accomplish, which was to

761
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 3: elevate the play of whoever is a quarterback this year

762
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: short of trying to shake Joe Burrow loose from the

763
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 3: Cincinnati Bengals, there's some other, you know, fantastical trade that

764
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: really turns out was never really going to be. And

765
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: so it's a fair thing for you to ask you,

766
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: a fair thing for me to expect from myself, and

767
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: and hopefully that helps explain a little bit of the

768
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: thought process that I put into it so far.

769
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm looking at one of your most recent tweets and

770
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: I have to ask, after having read it, why you

771
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: have to rub it in this way.

772
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 2: Here's the tweet.

773
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: There are now no members of the Vikings twenty twenty

774
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: two draft class on their roster.

775
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: You just couldn't let it go, could you.

776
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: This is in a wake of the news that ty

777
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: Chandler has been signed elsewhere.

778
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: You just can't.

779
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's you just can't stop with that

780
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: our draft issues, can You just.

781
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 3: Had to close the door on that particular draft. But

782
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 3: I do think it's interesting that there's more than a

783
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 3: few guys that are still in the league and in

784
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 3: some cases are going to have roles this year with teams,

785
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: but just not with the liking.

786
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that part's undeniable. That's true. Is at five? I

787
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: think there's now.

788
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: Five, yes, plus channel so sick five.

789
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: Oh, I guess, as he said, yeah, that's exactly it.

790
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: Are we done in free agency? Do you think in

791
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: terms of any name that we would recognize or is

792
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: there some sneaky person still out there that you think

793
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: we might value?

794
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 3: I think. I mean there's by and large the NFL

795
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 3: free agency in terms of people that you've heard of

796
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 3: for any team that's pretty much closed, like the Big Moneys.

797
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 3: So now we're moving into for teams that are still

798
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 3: looking to acquire impactful players, we're looking at trades, and

799
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 3: so I think that that's still a possibility. You know,

800
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: Robert Gninski last week used the phrase we're just getting

801
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: out of the gate here, and so I think they

802
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 3: were very determined, more determined than I've seen from them

803
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: in a long time to basically sit out the expensive

804
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 3: part of free agency and sort of aggressively right size

805
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: their finances. But you know, and as you get further

806
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 3: into the offseason and closer to the draft, there's less

807
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 3: opportunities to make impactful acquisitions. But I think we're seeing

808
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 3: more trades in the NFL than we've seen in quite

809
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 3: some time, especially for players who are close to or

810
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 3: in their prime, and so I wouldn't rule that out

811
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 3: as a possibility, But in terms of just signing players,

812
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 3: significant players for money that's significant, I think that seems unlikely.

813
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: By the way, last question for today, does Brazinski bear

814
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: any responsibility for our cap issues that we have had

815
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: to kind of address the hard way, given that that's

816
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: supposed to be his role, or do we view it

817
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: as well he was presented with a lot of bad

818
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: choices because the Vikings so desperately needed to spend so

819
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: much money the last two off seasons that there was

820
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: only so much that even a brilliant capologist could do

821
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: to paper over what eventually was going to be the

822
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: bill coming do.

823
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: What do you think?

824
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: No? And I think yeah, I mean, he ultimately did

825
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 3: those deals, but that was at the behest of the

826
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 3: general manager and it has been for quite some time,

827
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: and so his job in those situations is to get

828
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 3: the best deal that he can get and present it

829
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 3: to the general manager, and the general manager decides do

830
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: I make this deal or not?

831
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 2: And so.

832
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 3: That's kind of how that goes. And so you can't

833
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: like extract him from the process, but you can extract him,

834
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 3: I think fairly from the final decision making of it.

835
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 2: And so.

836
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 3: This was always even if Kacy had remained the general manager,

837
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: there was going to have to be some kind of reckoning.

838
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 3: It might not have all come at one time and't

839
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: been as dramatic as it has been in this offseason,

840
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 3: but like you can't like no team can get around

841
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 3: it indefinitely. You're eventually going to have to figure out

842
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: a way to either eat your vegetables now or even later.

843
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 3: And so it would have been up the quasi uh

844
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 3: and we'll be up to the next channel manager to decide,

845
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 3: you know how, the how that will how those future

846
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 3: plans will be laid out. But in that scenario you

847
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 3: had you would have had robbed in negotiating things and

848
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: then having the general manager decide whether to pull the

849
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 3: trigger on it or not. The general manager deciding the

850
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: big you know how to plan out the next two

851
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 3: or three years and how things are going to go

852
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 3: from that regard and budget, make final decisions on cash

853
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 3: budgets and cash requests and all that sort of thing.

854
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 3: And so I said, you can't extract him from the process,

855
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 3: but you can, I think, assign the decision making to

856
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 3: the person who's in charge.

857
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: Which of you, Jackals was going to get the first

858
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy interview, I thought it.

859
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: Was that the the Michigan Purdue basketball game. So he's

860
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: been out in public and and so I'm sure that's

861
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: somebody that a lot of people are looking to hear

862
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 3: from and from as best as I can tell, he's

863
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 3: been working hard to stay underground since the end of

864
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 3: the season. You know, he'll be back here along with

865
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 3: the rest of the team here at the end, you know, somewhere.

866
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 3: I think it's like mid April, but the week before

867
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 3: the draft, and maybe a week or half before the draft.

868
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 3: And so if not before then, then I hopefully by

869
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 3: then we'll hear from him and get an update and

870
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 3: see where he's saying.

871
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: Is there some finishing school quarterback finishing school he's hanging

872
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: out in in California or is that just.

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Speaker 3: Is it's no he's in California, or have been with

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Speaker 3: a former NFL player quarterback named John Beck, who you

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Speaker 3: might recognize with Washington and the other teams. And he's

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Speaker 3: one of those player quarterbacks turned coaching, you know specialties.

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Speaker 3: Jordan Palmer also does that, and so he's been under

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Speaker 3: John Beck's to the ledge out West, working through I

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Speaker 3: think a lot of the fundamentals and that we'd all

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Speaker 3: talked about last year and going through all the things

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Speaker 3: that he can go through to put himself in position

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Speaker 3: to be a step ahead than he was when he

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Speaker 3: gets back here for Ota.

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Speaker 1: Lavelle e Neil the Third has checked in responding to

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Speaker 1: the allegation that he was spotted spring training number of

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Speaker 1: years ago around the batting cage apparent or at least

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Speaker 1: at spring training with a shirt that had a barbecue.

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Speaker 2: Staining on it.

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Speaker 1: BS Lavelle writes, if I was on the field before

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Speaker 1: a game, I had not eaten yet, which it's an

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Speaker 1: interesting response.

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Speaker 2: He's not denying the possibility, he's just saying, what about circumstances. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's a good question. I don't know. Did you ever

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Speaker 2: bury that hatch? Did you ever bury the hatchet with

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Speaker 2: Rick Down?

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Speaker 3: No? Because it wasn't him.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever bury the hatch Terry Crowley.

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Speaker 3: I said, I did say that he was the coach

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Speaker 3: for the team. I wasn't covering. You're gonna have to

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Speaker 3: look through twenty nine I think of thirty teams at

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Speaker 3: the time. You have to look through twenty nine other

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Speaker 3: coaching staffs.

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Speaker 1: I don't have yu because somebody else thought it. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it was Eddie Eddie Murray, but your singers on the

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Speaker 1: other team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Eddie Murray had a reputation for being very surely,

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Speaker 3: but when he came back to the Orioles for his

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Speaker 3: end of his career and then he became a hitting coach,

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Speaker 3: he was awesome, and so I you know, I had

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Speaker 3: a We all had really good relationships with him. I

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Speaker 3: don't maybe that he was not very friendly earlier in

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Speaker 3: his career, but at the end of his career he was.

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Speaker 3: He was quite gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Steer. We'll try and we'll talk to you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Kevin c for EESPN dot com. Because the football season

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Speaker 1: is now fifty two weeks a year, we kind of

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Speaker 1: knew it was headed that way and now it's pretty

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Speaker 1: much official. Lou Nannie will join at five thirty on

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Speaker 1: with This Hour Rick Boss to talk Big Dance, college basketball,

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Speaker 1: state