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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. It's our number two, thanks to

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Let's get our number two started here on a Friday.

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Speaker 2: The only way we know how, it's by welcoming to

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Speaker 2: our guy, Charlie Goldsmith, who joins us each and every

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Speaker 2: Friday to kick off the second hour. Charlie, what's going on?

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Speaker 4: Man? Tony doing well? How are you?

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Speaker 2: Charlie? I have one question about the Bearcats and then

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Speaker 2: we'll move on. I have to ask, when March Madness

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Speaker 2: rolls around and the committee sits down, will they view

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Speaker 2: the Bearcats with and then without giggle? James? So, can

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Speaker 2: we just throw the other losses out the door and

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Speaker 2: view this team going forward since Gigsel James is now back.

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Speaker 4: The most fascinating part to me about all this with

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Speaker 4: Jiggle James, and I'm just speaking from a basketball perspective,

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Speaker 4: is the maturation and the growth that had to happen

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Speaker 4: with his own game, being a more consistent player this year.

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Speaker 4: So how much he's actually improved while he's been away,

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Speaker 4: you know, I kind of need to see it. But

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Speaker 4: if he grows, you know, we all know the upside,

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Speaker 4: but I'm interested to see him more during the rest

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Speaker 4: of the season.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the Bengals, Charlie. Let's start with what

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Speaker 2: we've recently learned. Zach Taylor speaking after practice. Chris Jenkins

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Speaker 2: Higgins is questionable. Which of those three is the most

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Speaker 2: significant for Sunday's game in particular?

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Speaker 4: The most significant obviously is Key. But I'm intrigued by

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Speaker 4: the state of this defensive line right now, like right now,

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Speaker 4: right now, and how they'd finished the season without us

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Speaker 4: of course, you know it's an opportunity. How do you

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Speaker 4: want to use Shamar Stewart inside outside, rushing out of

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Speaker 4: Miles Murphy's another guy. They've never really had an opportunity

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Speaker 4: to say, all right, Miles, go be the guy this week.

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Speaker 4: So because of how little infrastructure there is around them,

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Speaker 4: You know your set Johnson, you're McKinley, Jackson's behind them.

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Speaker 2: How important are these next three for Miles Murphy? I

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Speaker 2: hear Miles Murphy has played better down the stretch. But

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Speaker 2: how important, how vital are these final three weeks for

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Speaker 4: For Shamar Stewart, So Samar had some of the most

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Speaker 4: And I think what you saw there was just the

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Speaker 4: What I've heard is there have been some positives, but

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Speaker 2: The linebacker position you're talking about going into the offseason,

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen them at a starter level. I thought

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Speaker 4: is a game where the linebackers will be in the microscope.

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Speaker 2: This game, in general, there are very few teams that

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Speaker 2: that what this comes down to on Sunday on the

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Speaker 4: From what I'm getting from what I was hearing in

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Speaker 4: tough spot for a kid to make his debut. They'll

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Speaker 4: that stresses the Bengals just playing clean all around overall football.

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Speaker 3: Tony and I talked earlier this week about the idea

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Speaker 3: potential draft slot. Zach Taylor said, very bluntly, we want

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Speaker 3: to win. That's why Joe Burrow is playing in these games.

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Speaker 3: How important do you think it is to the culture

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Speaker 4: Well, this is the chance for you know, Miles Murphy

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Speaker 4: and for the rookie linebackers to keep trying to do that.

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Speaker 4: Jack Kill is the guy you can put in that category,

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Speaker 4: want it to feel like with those guys stepping into

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Speaker 4: what I really go back to is I truly, truly,

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Speaker 4: for Tyler Boyd, for cju Zama, for Sam Hubbard, for

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Speaker 4: Jesse Bates, Like I really saw like I saw. I

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Speaker 4: then dame to win. The Bengals were good. So you know,

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Speaker 4: obviously the young core of the Bengals have now not

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Speaker 2: Go do it offensively, Charlie. Obviously, coming off a game

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Speaker 2: What are you expecting to see from them now? Coming back?

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Speaker 2: We know Joe Burrow is gonna play. Historically, Joe Boro

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Speaker 2: What are you expecting to see from this offense on Sunday?

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Speaker 4: This was just a very normal week, Like there was

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Speaker 4: no uh, all right, let's reassess everything.

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Speaker 1: Now that you know.

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow just had a bad game. But I think

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Speaker 4: they chalked it up to facing a great Ravens defense.

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Speaker 4: Let's let's call it what it is. The cold was

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Speaker 4: just something the Bengals and Burrow will have to handle

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Speaker 4: better than the next time. During one of those brutally

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Speaker 4: Biggest thing for the offense probably be you can't have

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Speaker 4: straight up Burrow, and you throw Burrow into that because

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Speaker 4: some of those were things you could have corrected and

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Speaker 4: adjusted up front before the snap. But overall, like they're not,

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Speaker 4: you know, gather yourself and get ready to face the Dolphins.

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Speaker 2: Right now, Chase Brown and some AJ p Ryan, we've

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Speaker 4: bet you that p Run got I bet he got

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Speaker 2: Charlie, Have you allowed yourself to start looking at mock

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Speaker 4: You can't, it's well, I think that's disrespectful to Chase Brown.

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Speaker 4: So I think he's just a great player what they need.

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Speaker 3: We'll leave you with the Reds question, Charlie. I know

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Speaker 4: First of all, like I like the move. I like

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Speaker 2: That as Charlie Goldsmith before I let you go, Charlie,

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Speaker 4: You know what first of all, I keep going back

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Speaker 4: So how do you reach that level? To me is

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Speaker 2: Charlie Goldsmith, The easiest way, especially here around the holiday season,

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Speaker 4: Charlie shockboard on substack and on Fox nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Charlie, you're the man. Appreciate you have a great, great

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Speaker 2: holiday next week and we'll touch base after that.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Charlie, Happy holidays, guys, Thank you Charlie.

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Speaker 2: That is Charlie Goldsmith. By the way, Austin. Have you

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Speaker 2: The Pirates are going to pick up Brandon low Jake Magnum,

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Speaker 2: So the Pittsburgh Pirates have added a substantial and significant

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