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Speaker 2: Russ Jackson is tonight's producer. We are going all the

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Speaker 2: way to nine and that's when Donna d takes over

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Speaker 2: these airwaves. In a game you just heard Cactus League action,

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Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Reds pull out a four to three victory

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Speaker 2: over the Texas Rangers. The big hit in the game

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Speaker 2: came in the eighth inning. Michael Toolia, formerly of the

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Speaker 2: Colorado Rockies, played college baseball at UCLA to run home

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Speaker 2: run for the Reds in the bottom of the eighth

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Speaker 2: inning and the Reds defeat the Texas Rangers four to three.

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Speaker 2: TJ and Tone, how many Tommy Johns has he had?

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Speaker 1: Not one, not two, but three?

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Speaker 2: He gets his first save and the victory of the season.

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Speaker 1: Here in the spring.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've got madness, folks breaking out all over the place.

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Speaker 2: College basketball were on the eve of selection Sunday. Can't

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Speaker 2: wait till six o'clock tomorrow when CBS announces the sixty

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Speaker 2: eighteen field for the twenty twenty six NCAA Tournament. Miami

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Speaker 2: better be in it. They absolutely better be in it.

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Speaker 2: But how about today? The Dayton Flyers Wright State is

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Speaker 2: already locked in winning the Horizon League Championship. Could Dayton

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Speaker 2: be next? They reached the Atlantic ten Conference Championship final

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Speaker 2: tomorrow against VCU by defeating the Saint Louis Billikins today

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Speaker 2: seventy to sixty nine on a tip in off the

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Speaker 2: glass at the buzzer by Emil Letime. He played thirty

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Speaker 2: seven and it's only had seven points, but the biggest

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Speaker 2: play of the game. Man a misshot and then a

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Speaker 2: tip in with his left hand off the glass through

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Speaker 2: the rim, and Dayton defeats Saint Louis seventy to sixty nine.

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Speaker 2: This is what the madness is all about here and

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Speaker 2: a guy that came off the bench for the Flyers,

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Speaker 2: Jordan Dirkhak twenty seven minutes, twenty eight points off the bench,

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Speaker 2: six of twelve from the floor, four for seven from

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Speaker 2: three point range, twenty eight points to lead all scorers.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations to the Dayton Flyers at twenty three to ten

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Speaker 2: and all they need is a victory over VCU tomorrow

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Speaker 2: to have two teams from Dayton in the NCAA Tournament.

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Speaker 2: How awesome would that be? After the top of the hour,

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Speaker 2: news we're gonna hear from Dave Yddie R. Brewster all

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Speaker 2: about the Reds and the state of this club here

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Speaker 2: in Cactus League action out in Arizona this spring. All

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Speaker 2: we heard all winter were fans screaming for the Reds

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Speaker 2: to trade one of their starting pitchers for a power back. Well,

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Speaker 2: the Reds were able to obtain the power back in

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Speaker 2: au Hanio Suarez without having to give up a starting pitcher.

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Speaker 2: You can never have enough pitching, and the Reds likely

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Speaker 2: need more. With Hunter Green's right elbow surgery, he's not

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Speaker 2: going to be back reportedly until July. And now Caleb

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Speaker 2: Ferguson has an oblique injury that is going to cost

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Speaker 2: him opening Day. So some positive the Reds are scoring runs.

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Speaker 2: Matt McClain looks absolutely unbelievable. And I saw a reel

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Speaker 2: recently on Facebook, and the star of the reel was

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Speaker 2: Pete Rose, and he was talking about one of the

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Speaker 2: huge keys to the big Red machine getting production from

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Speaker 2: two areas to positions that don't often bring great production,

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Speaker 2: catcher and second base. The catcher was John Bench and

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Speaker 2: the second baseman was Joe Morgan, two Hall of famers,

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Speaker 2: And I got to thinking, if the Reds can get

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Speaker 2: production a bounce back season from Matt McClain at second

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Speaker 2: and the backup catchers. This year really really could be special,

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Speaker 2: and we're seeing that from Matt McClain. He's had an

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Speaker 2: unbelievable spring so far. Was not in action today, but

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Speaker 2: nineteen of thirty five of five forty three batting average

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Speaker 2: is huge. Can that translate from the heat of Arizona

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Speaker 2: just twelve days away to opening Day against the Boston

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Speaker 2: Find out, and we've reached the top of the hour news.

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Speaker 2: When we come back, we're hoping to hook up with

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Speaker 2: our very own debuty arm Brewster live from Arizona to

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Speaker 2: give us an update on the state of the Reds

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Speaker 2: during spring training. This is Chick Ludwig Sports Talk till

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Speaker 2: nine o'clock tonight with producer Russ Jackson. Action Jackson on

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Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW six.

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Speaker 3: Last fall or last off season, you know, because as

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Speaker 3: David Album always says, the best ability is availability, and

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Speaker 3: I don't like that.

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Speaker 3: But I think having said that, I think the starting

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Speaker 3: on opening day. He was an All Star. He looks

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Speaker 3: Deacon in spring training. And it's really hard, especially to

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Speaker 3: Jeff Brantley says, and he says everything looks just fine,

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Speaker 3: and I think that's the case with him. I think

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Speaker 3: that's the case with Lodolo. Brady Singer is a guy

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Speaker 3: who's just going to give you innings. He's not going

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Speaker 3: to be fancy, but he's going to put up reasonable

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Speaker 2: And you just mentioned really the first three starters for

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I think Rhet Louder will be number four.

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Speaker 3: I think that Chase or Chase Burns Burns, Yeah, Chase

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Speaker 3: Burns will be the number four starter and then but

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Speaker 3: there's always a chance that Brandon Williamson will be in

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Speaker 3: team the second or third week of the season. I

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Speaker 3: think that'll be fine. So it'll be interesting what they

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Speaker 2: And we'll see Brandon Williamson tomorrow against the Mariners. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: he keeps coming along. It's great to have him healthy again.

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. I mentioned in the previous segment.

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Speaker 2: but the Reds did Catcher in second base, two Hall

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Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you, he is the MVP of

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Speaker 3: there's a close second. He has really played well defensively

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Speaker 3: is a great sign Chick. He looks good and if

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Speaker 3: tremendously because he is He's going to hit second, at

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Speaker 3: least I'm assuming he's going to because he's played he's

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Speaker 3: and Suarez is sitting fourth. All of a sudden, Ellie

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Speaker 2: And the number two hole is just so critical. That

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Speaker 2: And Man coming out nineteen of thirty five for a

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Speaker 2: He looks, he looks fantastic And you're right at number two.

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Speaker 2: What it could mean for the top of this order,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no question. He I mean, he's such a good

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Speaker 3: de la Cruz and Suarez. And quite frankly, we haven't

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Speaker 3: with this team before they you know, break camp here

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Speaker 2: Who do you like in left field and right field?

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's a little of that.

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Speaker 3: I think NOELV. Marte will be just fine. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Dan Myers is there to play center field when they

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Speaker 3: move the left field. I think moving Freedo to left

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Speaker 3: question if if Spencer Steer your left fielder. I know

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Speaker 3: he wants to play all round. They want to play

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Speaker 3: he I'm going to guess he's going to play mostly

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Speaker 1: Just an amazing story.

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Speaker 2: No doubt about that. YOUD Live report from Arizona. Man,

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Speaker 1: Well, next next Saturday.

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Speaker 2: What about bringing back Mick who might not be totally

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Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW nine o'clock tonight and Donna d takes

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Speaker 1: Here to talk to us about.

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Speaker 2: It and help help UH pick the next head coach

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Speaker 2: Right back at you, And I'd like to say, let's

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Speaker 5: Well, I think there's a lot of people that would

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I pointed out, if I could pick one

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Speaker 5: Right State and I was coaching at Valpo.

435
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Speaker 6: Various dude coach.

436
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 5: But he's not leaving Clubson. You know, he's got everything

437
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 5: set up down there. But you know, like I told

438
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 5: you in the same vein, there is somebody out there

439
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 5: and I'm going to save John Cunningham, the athlect director

440
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 5: at University Cincinnati, about one hundred and fifty thousand dollars

441
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 5: here by telling him who to go higher. Okay, So

442
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 5: this individual coached at u SEE as an assistant in

443
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 5: two thousand and six through two thousand and eight with Hugs,

444
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 5: and then when Huggs went to Kansas State, he followed

445
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 5: him there and became head coach, became national Coach of

446
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 5: the Year at one point, took them to the NCAA Tournament.

447
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 5: He then went on to South Carolina where he took

448
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 5: of all teams South Carolina to the final four. In

449
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 5: the past few years, he's been at a school that's

450
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 5: in the MAC And this person is one Frank Martin.

451
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 5: You know, Frank Martin is one of the hardest blue

452
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 5: collar Charlie Hustle mentality type of people out there in

453
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 5: the coaching circle. And with the age of nil. After

454
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 5: he left South Carolina, he's been at UMAs, which they're innil.

455
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 5: I don't think is that good. He's making a little

456
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 5: over two million, which you see can do easily, but

457
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 5: he's been in Cincinnati. He's a hugs protege. He can

458
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 5: get guys from the city. He used to be a

459
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 5: I think he was a five time state champion coach

460
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 5: in Miami as a high high school coach, so he

461
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 5: has all of the connections down there if they give

462
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 5: him the resources. He was a Bit twelve Coach of

463
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 5: the Year at Kansas State. Now with the Bearcats in

464
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 5: the Big twelve, he knows the landscape of that. He's

465
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 5: a hard nosed, blue collar type of coach, which, let's

466
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 5: just be honest, that's what your Bearcat coach has to be.

467
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 5: Like the people of Cincinnati, they're not a wine and

468
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 5: cheese crowd, like if you go to a North Carolina

469
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 5: game or a Duke game, right, they're a hard working,

470
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 5: Charlie Hustle Pete Rose type of blue collar crowd that

471
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,479
Speaker 5: wants a coach, it's gonna be the same way. And

472
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 5: he has the experience, he has a recruiting base, he

473
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 5: has a knowledge, and then he understands, you see, in

474
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 5: what it takes to be successful there from his time

475
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Speaker 5: with Hugs.

476
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Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong here, Chris Sparks, but Frank

477
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: Martin strikes him as the kind of guy you put

478
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Speaker 2: him in a room and lock the door with name

479
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: any other five coaches, He's gonna be the first one

480
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: out and other guys are gonna be bleeding.

481
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: How about that?

482
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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, he's one of those guys that is

483
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 5: literally he's an American success story. He grew up down

484
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 5: in the Miami area from a Cuban family, went on

485
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 5: to just start coaching high school basketball, was very successful

486
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 5: down there in Miami, and then he lasted on with Hugs,

487
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 5: you see, and again followed him to Kansas State, and

488
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 5: if we remember at one time when he was at

489
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 5: school that had the resources in the commitment to basketball,

490
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 5: he was one of the top five coaches.

491
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Speaker 3: In the country.

492
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Speaker 5: And again he took the University of South Carolina to

493
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 5: a Final four and they haven't even smiffed it since

494
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 5: they've been back there and I don't know what happened

495
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 5: down there for him to go to UMAs. I mean,

496
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 5: U Mass traditionally has a you know, solid basketball program,

497
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 5: but they just downgraded, going from the A ten down

498
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 5: to the Mass And I'm not saying anything bad against

499
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 5: the Mac, but it's just, you know, it was a change.

500
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 5: And so again, you want a guy that's a seasoned

501
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 5: veteran that his won, that is coached in Cincinnati, that

502
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 5: coach under hug, that has been to the Final Four,

503
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Speaker 5: that knows who and how to recruit, and then is

504
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 5: a proven winner over and over again. A lot of

505
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Speaker 5: the things that people are saying about problems they had

506
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 5: with coach Miller, you know, inexperience or like one game

507
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 5: they're really high, one game they're really low. And this

508
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 5: is the thing that Cincinnati people would love about Frank

509
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 5: Martin is he is a staunch disciplinarian.

510
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 4: And you will see it by the way his players play.

511
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 5: And he's an overachiever. And so in this day and

512
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 5: age with nil and all these guys getting paid, you know,

513
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 5: the Bob Knights of the world, the coaches that always

514
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 5: you know, overachieve and got those teams over achieve, You're

515
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 5: not going to see him as much anymore, because it's

516
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 5: just whoever pays me the most. That's where I'm going

517
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 5: to go on and that's all I.

518
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 4: Care about it.

519
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 5: But Frank Martin would be able to, in my mind

520
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 5: understand that, Listen, we need to have resources. We're in

521
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 5: the Big twelve. He's had experience in the Big twelve.

522
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 5: He's going to know what type of players and athletes

523
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Speaker 5: can be successful in the Big twelve, and he's going

524
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Speaker 5: to coach them and then maximize their value as well.

525
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Speaker 5: And I just really think, you know, his name not

526
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 5: being mentioned at all for a lot of these jobs

527
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 5: that are open. He's just a diamond in the rough

528
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 5: out there. And he is the perfect fit for the Bearcats.

529
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Speaker 1: Wow, that's some awesome analysis there.

530
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Speaker 2: Chris Sparks, Utah States Jered Calhoun is being mentioned a lot.

531
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Speaker 2: And what about Miami of Ohio's Travis Steele. Hasn't he

532
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: grown since leaving Xavier University?

533
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Speaker 5: I think he has? I mean, I think Travis again

534
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 5: with the bear Cat the fit is so important, Okay,

535
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Speaker 5: And like you said earlier, you know, University of Cincinnat's

536
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 5: a beautiful campus, but it's a city campus. The Big twelve,

537
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 5: and so you have to recruit the city kids, city athletes,

538
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 5: and you need to get a coach that can relate

539
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 5: to them well, motivate them and get them to buy in.

540
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 5: And the thing is, I think with the Bearcats now,

541
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Speaker 5: I mean, those are all great names that you mentioned,

542
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 5: but they're all gambles because none of those guys have

543
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 5: proven themselves as a head coach in that type of

544
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 5: situation before with those type of athletes. Every conference has

545
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 5: a different type of athletes that you have to recruit

546
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 5: from a different type of place. And I don't think

547
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 5: the Bearcats would be a stronghold or a place for

548
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 5: somebody like Travis Steele to go to. I feel he's

549
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 5: a perfect fit at Miami. Like to be honest with you,

550
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 5: I don't think you should ever leave there. And then

551
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 5: Calhoun out there and you talk like, again, great coach,

552
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 5: great x is and O guy. Okay, but again, the

553
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 5: landscape of the type of athletes for a Big twelve

554
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 5: team like the Bearcats now is on another level. And

555
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 5: we've seen so many times where you know, I used

556
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 5: to play and coach with Bryce Drew and he was

557
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 5: the head coach at Valpo for a while and he

558
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 5: could recruit his butt off when it came to mid

559
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 5: major players. But he goes to Vanderbilt in the SEC

560
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 5: and he recruits a lot of guys that ended up

561
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 5: being in the NBA. But his last year there, he

562
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 5: went to eighteen in SEC because he just couldn't coach them.

563
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 5: And so that fit is so important, Chick, and you

564
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 5: have to again, I don't think the Bearcats can gamble

565
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 5: or hope on this. And again, just the glaring, wide

566
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 5: open opportunity of somebody that has already accomplished this and

567
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 5: already done this, already recruited these type of players and

568
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 5: had success with him as Frank Martin, I just think

569
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Speaker 5: he is the wide open favorite in my mind for this.

570
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: Wow.

571
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: You know, any team takes on the personality of their coach,

572
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: and and Wes Miller, to me, was wound too tight,

573
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: way too tight, and when crunch time came, there was

574
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: panic instead of poise. And we saw forty five turnovers

575
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: in the final three games that the Bearcats played, which

576
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:27,719
Speaker 2: is unacceptable. And I've also thought of Mick Cronin from UCLA.

577
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: I wonder how happy he is out there, possibly wanting

578
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: to come back home.

579
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Speaker 5: So I mean that would obviously be the dream, right,

580
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 5: But you know, you look at Nick and what he's

581
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 5: been doing the past three weeks in UCLA, and it's

582
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 5: just been weird, right, you know, like all the all

583
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 5: the stuff that is very Unmick Cronin, like where you know,

584
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 5: after all the games, he's just sitting there and like

585
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 5: he never used to say anything bad about his players

586
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 5: in terms of it's their fault, like he always shouldered

587
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 5: the responsibility, and then he started doing that. And you know,

588
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 5: he has one player in the Michigan State game that

589
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 5: commits the hard foul excuse me, and he like literally

590
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 5: pulls him out of the game and sends it back

591
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 5: to the locker room. Yeah, And I look at his face, like,

592
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 5: you know, they just made a really good run to

593
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 5: the semi finals of the Big Ten tournament, and I

594
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 5: look at him and I just have to think, you

595
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 5: heard him complain so much this season, and this is

596
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 5: a guy that never complained ever, and complaining about the

597
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 5: realities of being a school in Los Angeles in the

598
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 5: Big Ten and the travel and how it affects his team,

599
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 5: and it just seemed to me like and this is

600
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 5: just again my opinion from observation from Afar that he

601
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 5: was looking for a way to get out, and so yes,

602
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 5: if if John Cunningham and the Bearcat boosters could back

603
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 5: the brinkstruck up to the Cronin household out there in

604
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 5: LA and guarantee a certain level of nil funds, he

605
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 5: obviously would be the pick. Gives him a long term contract.

606
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 5: You're in the Big twelve. He's back home, and it

607
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 5: would be done and dusted. But that's gonna be a

608
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 5: heavy lift and would have to be a very targeted,

609
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 5: concerted effort by the Bearcat administration and boosters.

610
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: Chris Barks, You've got me ready to run through a

611
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: wall with snot bubbles. Frank Martin, I love it. Hey,

612
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: great stuff, Chris. Really appreciate you taking time out ESPN Chicago,

613
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: Valparaiso University, Milford, Ohio. You've got Cincinnati roots, You've coached

614
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 2: all over the world and appreciate.

615
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: You joining us tonight as always.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Jick. Yeah, I have a good weekend, buddy.

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Speaker 2: Right back at you. Happy Saint Patti's day. Wow, thank you,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much. When we come back from the

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Speaker 2: top of the hour news, it's the eve of the

620
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Speaker 2: NCAA tournament selection Sunday, and I'm going to ha on

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Speaker 2: a guy who knows all about the madness Cincinnati Roots,

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Speaker 2: Creighton University lives out in the great state of Colorado

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Speaker 2: when we come back. Cannot wait to hook up with

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Speaker 2: doctor Rick Apke when we returned. This is Chick Ludwig

625
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Speaker 2: Sports Talk on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 6: That team was probably as good or maybe even better

627
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 6: than our two teams that won the state championship. So

628
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 6: we weren't really favored to win either my junior year

629
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 6: in nineteen seventy three or my senior year in nineteen

630
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 6: seventy four, but we did a great job of I

631
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 6: guess you would say game planning, scouting, seeing their weaknesses,

632
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 6: and trying to capitalize on our strengths and their weaknesses.

633
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 6: But yeah, all the way through the districts and the

634
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 6: region halls and then going on to Columbus so exciting.

635
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 6: And we we just had those two classes. There were

636
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 6: so many great athletes from guys who ended up playing

637
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 6: college football, college baseball, and a few of US college basketball.

638
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 6: You've already mentioned some of those names, and I've been

639
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 6: in town in the last year. We had our fiftieth

640
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 6: high school reunion and I got to say hi to

641
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 6: a lot of those guys when I was there.

642
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: Fantastic.

643
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: Well, then it was off to Creighton, where you played

644
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: for your brother, Tom Elder class of sixty one. Tom

645
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: played at Creighton with the great Paul Silas. How hard

646
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: did Tom have to recruit you?

647
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's kind of an interesting story, we thought that.

648
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 4: Well.

649
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 6: First of all, he took over the job at Creighton

650
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Speaker 6: from Eddie Sutton, who was a fairly famous coach Kins

651
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 6: at Arkansas and then at the University of Kentucky, So

652
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 6: his first year was actually my freshman year, So Eddie

653
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 6: Sutton recruited me, and then when Tom took over, we

654
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 6: weren't sure initially if it was going to be a

655
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 6: good idea for me to play for my brother or not.

656
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 6: But I think ultimately to me it was a great

657
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 6: choice because they were a really good Division I program,

658
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 6: smaller school Jesuit School had their own medical school, so

659
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 6: that was a large part of my decision.

660
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: We're speaking with doctor Rick Apke, who played as a

661
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: six foot eight, two hundred and five pounds forward at Creton.

662
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: Career averages of fifteen point four points six point five

663
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: rebounds and totals of one, six hundred and eighty two points,

664
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: seven hundred and nine rebounds, so much has changed. Rick

665
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 2: no three point line, then no shot clock. The Blue

666
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: Jays make the tournament your freshman year nineteen seventy five

667
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: playing as an independent and then a tournament lost to Maryland,

668
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 2: I believe. So, uh, yeah, you finally got in back

669
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 2: into the Missouri Valley Conference.

670
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was interesting. So a lot of schools were

671
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 6: independent back then. It seems like almost every schools in

672
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 6: a conference now, so much like the teams that finished second, third, fourth,

673
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 6: you're waiting for an at large bid, which we did.

674
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 6: We were all gathered around on selection Sunday waiting for

675
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 6: the call from the NCAA, and sure enough we were in.

676
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 6: Maryland had a pretty good player. The older people listening

677
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 6: will remember John Lucas, Yes, and we lost I think

678
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 6: by two or four points in that game. So then

679
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 6: we joined the Missouri Valley Conference after my junior year.

680
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 6: So we played for the conference championship in an automatic

681
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 6: bid my senior year, which, as you know, we ended

682
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 6: up beating Indiana State in the conference tournament in the finals,

683
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 6: and they had a pretty good forward by the name

684
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 6: of Larry Bird that we were able to come out

685
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 6: on top of that game.

686
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, the great season of nineteen seventy eight, the Blue

687
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: Jays defeat Indiana State and Larry Bird three times. Rick,

688
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: Let's go back to March fifth, nineteen seventy eight, the

689
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: Missouri Valley Conference Tournament championship at the Omaha Civic Auditorium.

690
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 2: That place was absolutely crazy, and you hit a jumper

691
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: that tied the score at fifty two. That was probably

692
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: maybe a three point shot today. And then describe what

693
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: happened after that. You guys took the air out of

694
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: the ball. Play settled down. Everybody was a little nervous,

695
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: I'm sure.

696
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 6: Yeah.

697
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: We had a.

698
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 6: Delay game similar to the old North Carolina four corners,

699
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 6: and so we played only for a layup, and Bird

700
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 6: was smart enough to sag back by the basket and

701
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 6: model on the layups. So we took about four and

702
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 6: a half minutes off the claw and we played for

703
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 6: a last second shot, and it just so happened. I

704
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 6: got the ball at like the top of the key

705
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 6: with only two or three seconds left and made a

706
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 6: turnaround jumper. And the crowd was silent during that whole delay,

707
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 6: and so they kind of as one came to life,

708
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 6: and yeah, probably the loudest auditorium I've ever heard in

709
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 6: my life, and.

710
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: The biggest shot of your life.

711
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: Probably, yeah, I.

712
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 6: Think so, not only a big game, but automatic entrance

713
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 6: into them into the NCAA tournament.

714
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: You and your brother Tom were interviewed by author Keith

715
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 2: O'Brien for the book Heartland, detailing the life of Larry Bird.

716
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: Could you see the greatness in Bird when you played

717
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: against him?

718
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: For sure?

719
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Speaker 6: It's interesting because we were accepted into the Valley after

720
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 6: my sophomore year, but we could not schedule enough games

721
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 6: to compete for the conference my junior year, and their

722
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 6: coach we had a preseason media day, and the coach

723
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 6: kept talking about how a guy who had red shirted

724
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 6: was the best player he had ever seen. So we

725
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 6: didn't know quite what to expect. And so my junior year,

726
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 6: Larry's sophomore year, he comes out and starts like setting

727
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 6: records in auditorium, scoring forty something points, and so yeah,

728
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 6: it was pretty obvious if he was very good. And

729
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 6: then of course we played them three times home home,

730
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 6: and then in the Valley Conference tournament game, and so yeah,

731
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 6: we were fortunate enough to win all three. It's interesting.

732
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 6: The one in Terrehoote, Indiana. Some of my high school

733
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 6: friends braved a blizzard and made it from Cincinnati to

734
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 6: Terre Haute on I seventy four.

735
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: Couple of you know, off the road.

736
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 6: It's pretty harrowing and they got there right as the

737
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 6: national anthem was playing.

738
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, incredible.

739
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: Well, then you get selected by the world champion Washington

740
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: Bullets in the third round, fifty eighth overall the nineteen

741
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: seventy eight NBA Draft. Was it your dream growing up

742
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: to play in the NBA? And then how tough a

743
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: decision was it to forego that opportunity and ultimately choose

744
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 2: medical school? Could you talk about that that process?

745
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, So chick got accepted to medical school in February

746
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 6: of my senior year. The draft takes place in June,

747
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 6: and I think as an athlete growing up, everybody in

748
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 6: visions that they would love to play a professional sport.

749
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: So let's go.

750
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 6: Started third or fourth week of August. The Bullets didn't

751
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 6: even have a rookie camp till second week of September,

752
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 6: so my agent arranged for me to have to go

753
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 6: to the rookie camp with the New Jersey nets who

754
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 6: would have had to compensate the bullets if I made

755
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 6: the team, And so went there first part of August,

756
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 6: played pretty well. They invited me back to their veterans camp,

757
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 6: but with no guarantees at that point, and so a

758
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 6: lot of really heavy thinking, and ultimately just decided that

759
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 6: the Good Lord gave me an education for a reason.

760
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 6: And so I had to call our dean to the

761
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 6: medical school and telling me, hey, don't give up my spot.

762
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 6: I'm coming literally a week before medical school started.

763
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 2: A great, great decision, I'm sure looking back on it.

764
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 2: Rick Gosh practicing medicine out in Colorado for what forty

765
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:00,479
Speaker 2: plus years?

766
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: Here? What is your specialty? Medicine?

767
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 6: Internal? Internal medicine? So I was a traditional internist taking

768
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 6: care of adults the last ten to fifteen years. Fifteen years,

769
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 6: I guess at just hospital medicine. So those are the

770
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 6: people admitting and taking care of hospitalized patients.

771
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,959
Speaker 2: Rick growing up in West Price Hill, the west side,

772
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 2: the best side Saint William Parish. What did that, hard working,

773
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: blue collar beginnings? What did that do for you in

774
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: your career?

775
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting.

776
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 6: I was sixth out of seven children, and my father

777
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 6: got both his high school and college degrees in the

778
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 6: seminary studying to be a priest. He left before his

779
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 6: final hours, met my mom and you know, seven children later.

780
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 6: So we we were middle class. We weren't necessarily hungry,

781
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 6: but everybody worked really hard, and so I think it

782
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 6: taught me the value of hard work and how to study,

783
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 6: and then of course later on going to Elder and

784
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 6: to Jesuit College, again the value of hard work and

785
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 6: study and being prepared for anything that comes your way.

786
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: And would you like to say something about your family

787
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: out in Colorado?

788
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 4: Sure?

789
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

790
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 6: I have a lovely wife of thirty eight years who's

791
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 6: from Colorado, and then I have two sons who are

792
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 6: in there, I guess middle to late thirties. I have

793
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 6: four granddaughters, including a set of twin granddaughters, and then

794
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 6: my fifth grandchild, a grandson, is on the way. So

795
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 6: very very excited and very proud of all of them.

796
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: Well, it seems like just yesterday when I was leaving

797
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 2: Saint John Arena in nineteen seventy four and in a

798
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 2: blizzard in Columbus to get back home. And I still

799
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: remember the Canton McKinley players throwing chairs out onto the

800
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: fans throwing chairs out onto the floor. They were highly

801
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 2: upset because the Elder Panthers won their second consecutive Division

802
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: Triple A state title. Great, great memories, Rick.

803
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's been a while ago, but I still see

804
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 6: it like it was yesterday as well. Yeah, we weren't

805
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 6: supposed to beat them, right, We didn't even win. We

806
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 6: didn't even win the GCL that year. We were not

807
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 6: the top team in our conference. But we had that's

808
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 6: just sort of quiet confidence. And you're still starting five.

809
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: Was who.

810
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 6: So senior year it was Paul Neemar who ended up

811
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 6: playing baseball at University of Toledo, Kenny Brown who was

812
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 6: a wing back and All American wing back at Nebraska.

813
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 6: And we had Bill Early who was a college pitcher

814
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 6: at Miami and had several stints up in the majors.

815
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 6: And then Tony Apro was a small forward. And then

816
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 6: we had some great people off the bench like Terry McCarthy,

817
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 6: Jim Sanger, Phil Blumker. Junior year was we had some

818
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 6: great athletes as well. Obviously Steve Grodi, the Miller Twins,

819
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 6: George played baseball, and Savior Henry was a four year

820
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 6: starting quarterback at University of Cincinnati and the bill was

821
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 6: also a starter our junior year bill.

822
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 4: Early.

823
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 2: Well, Rick, I want to take this opportunity to thank

824
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 2: you and relive in some of these childhood memories from

825
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 2: Price hill Man in Saint William the schoolyard. Skinned a

826
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: few knees there, baby, and yes we played smear the

827
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: man during lunch and used to get the shirt torn.

828
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 2: The nuns did not appreciate that. So, Rick, it's been

829
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: a joy. And you got knuckleheads like me bringing back

830
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: all these memories for you and really appreciate you.

831
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 6: Hey, thanks a lot, chick, glad to have, glad to

832
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 6: be on.

833
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: All the best of you and your family. All right,

834
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: thank you and God bless amen. Thank you so much.

835
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: Rick Apkey, Doctor Rick Apkey from Thornton, Colorado. When we

836
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: come back, we're going to talk Bengals with Jeff Hobson

837
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: and the Cockroach quarterback on seven hundred WLW.

838
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: Eight thirty nine in the Queen.

839
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Speaker 2: City of Cincinnati, Chick Ludwig seven W well W, this

840
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: is sports Talk. We're going to the top of the

841
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 2: hour and then Donna d takes over these airwaves. Always

842
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: fun to bring in our next guest talking Bengals Football

843
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: with senior writer for Bengals dot Com Jeff Hobson.

844
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: Butch, how are we doing tonight?

845
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 3: Kick?

846
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 4: Thanks pretty much for having me on. I was expecting

847
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 4: the raspberries for the intro. But that's okay, all right.

848
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: You know what, next time, it'll be the top of

849
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 2: the hour. That's when we play it.

850
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Well I thought Marie.

851
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 4: I wasn't.

852
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: Oh, that's all right.

853
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 2: I thought John Kittner was the ultimate cockroach. Step on him,

854
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: hear the crunch and he's still alive. That would be

855
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 2: Josh Johnson, who the Bengals just signed today.

856
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 4: You can't you can't get away from him, man, I was.

857
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 4: I had the pleasure of talking to him today and

858
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 4: the Sanders as enthusiastic as he was in twenty thirteen,

859
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 4: the first time we foun him some thirteen years ago

860
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 4: when he was the for that FC Norris Championship club.

861
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 4: You know, I think he's I think he's a guy

862
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 4: they want. I think he's the kind of guy they

863
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 4: wanted to get into the Barn early. With Browning signing

864
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 4: in Tampa. I think they want to make sure they

865
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 4: you know, I don't think they're done in the quarterback room.

866
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 4: I think they'd love the flacko back, but in Johnson

867
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 4: they get a guy that was kind of interesting today, chick.

868
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 4: When I talked to Johnson, he said that Zach Taylor

869
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 4: clearly did his homework, and I think that's the reason

870
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 4: that he wanted to come. I think it shows you

871
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 4: what Zach is kind of is Zach is looking for.

872
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 4: He's looking for a guy that they know he can

873
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 4: plug right into the room. And he's been around and

874
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 4: certainly you found out last year that forty is not

875
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 4: too old.

876
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: It is really unbelievable looking at the resume of one

877
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: Josh Johnson, who played at the University of San Diego

878
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 2: for the great Steve Mushagian, and there you go looking

879
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: at uh, oh my gosh, he's been.

880
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: With uh does half the team? Yeah? Half the teams

881
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: in the NFL property of.

882
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, so with seven club. Yeah, he's been with seven

883
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 4: teams at least in the regular season and probably you know,

884
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 4: maybe maybe maybe four or five more of that in

885
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 4: training camp. He's a the guy's a walking trivia answer, right.

886
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 4: He was a starting quarterback when he was a starting

887
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 4: quarterback when Joe Burrow through for five twenty five. He

888
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 4: was actually a teammate of Flacco with the He actually

889
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 4: played in the Mike White game on Halloween. He took

890
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 4: five snaps snaps when Mike White got knocked out in

891
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 4: that upset of the Bengals. His first career start came

892
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 4: against Josh Campbell way back in nine. And Josh Campbell

893
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 4: is the future Bengals backup quarterback. So the guy, you know,

894
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 4: the guy's been around. He's played for both Grudens, played

895
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 4: for you know, played for Shanahan and it's you know,

896
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 4: uh and it really it's interesting, uhick he did. He

897
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 4: pulled a little bit of a Flacco in that Burrough game.

898
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 4: He had showed up in Baltimore eleven days before that game.

899
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 4: Didn't think he was going to play, but uh, that

900
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 4: was the year Lamar Jackson was dirt. Tyler Huntley gets

901
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 4: sick the Friday before the Bengals game, and you know,

902
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 4: he went out. He had his second best game of

903
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 4: his career. Of course, they were no match for Burrow,

904
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 4: but Josh did throw for three to zero four in

905
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 4: that game, so there was more than eight hundred yards

906
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 4: of passing that day.

907
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: Well, he's been around the block for I've got him

908
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 2: for at least property of fifteen NFL teams in his career.

909
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 4: Uh.

910
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 2: He's a very athletic guy, smart guy, and uh you could, Yeah,

911
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 2: you've got confidence that that guy can go in and

912
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: uh hold the hold the offense together.

913
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 4: Like I said, and I you know, I don't think

914
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 4: they're done in the room there, but I think they

915
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 4: wanted to get him in early with the with the

916
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 4: quarterback carrou Sell. And yeah, I mean, you know, you

917
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 4: talked about his athleticism. If you look in the last

918
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 4: game he played for Washington last the last game of

919
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 4: last year, I think he ran for forty five yards.

920
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 4: I think, so, yeah, you know, our nine carries. So

921
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 4: he's obviously you know, I mean it's a uh, I

922
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 4: guess it's just a good guy to have in the room,

923
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 4: you know.

924
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And what we saw this week here, Jeff, is

925
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: the Bengals really helping your defense man safety Brian cooking me,

926
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 2: that is fantastic. Yeah, you got boy and Mafi. He's

927
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: going to come in and he's going to rush the passer.

928
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 2: And then I like Jonathan Allen, you cannot have ye

929
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 2: rotate those guys.

930
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 4: I mean, I I mean, I think that's one of

931
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 4: their you know, Allen's one of their best under the

932
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 4: radar signings in all long time. I think, I mean,

933
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 4: they haven't had a guy like that, you know, the

934
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 4: free technique free technique since Geno Acktons. He's not Geno Atkins.

935
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 4: He's thirty one, and he was never Geno Akins. But

936
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 4: he was a very you know, he was a very

937
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 4: solid player. And uh you know he played he played

938
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 4: eight hundred snaps in Minnesota last year. Not exactly his

939
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 4: style of play, but he showed he could still rush

940
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 4: the passer and you know, from the inside. And I

941
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 4: think what I think this this scheme is going to

942
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 4: fit him, probably better than one that did in Minnesota.

943
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 4: And I you know, I think that, uh, he's he's

944
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 4: a Guida quietly. Uh you know, that's I think that's

945
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 4: maybe as big as the Cook in mafeh signings.

946
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,439
Speaker 2: And what what do you think Cook and Mafe bring

947
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: to this club?

948
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 4: Well? Cook Cook can tackle. Yes, I mean, this is

949
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 4: a guy I mean, uh, you know they've had that

950
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 4: had had to improve their tackling back there, that's no secret.

951
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 4: And Cooks one of the better tackling safeties in the league.

952
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 4: Played in a you know, I think uh, and I

953
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 4: think he also gives you, you know, a guy who's

954
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 4: played in every kind of big game imaginal, in the

955
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 4: pros and in college too. Right, Remember he was on

956
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 4: some really good UC gams and uh, so he gives

957
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 4: you that, you know, he gives you that a guy

958
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 4: who's you know, got two rings, played and won in

959
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 4: some big games. And I think, my big he's got

960
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 4: a lot of uh to me that there are some

961
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 4: similarities to when they went and got Trey Hendrickson in

962
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 4: uh in twenty twenty one. I mean, you know, remember

963
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 4: Trey was coming off at thirteen and a half sack year,

964
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 4: which came out of nowhere for the Saints, and uh,

965
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 4: he was kind of you know, he was, Uh he was.

966
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 4: He was an underrated guy. Nobody nobody really know me

967
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 4: was he was lotted down man in New Orleans and

968
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 4: some with some really good defensive linemen and Matta. He

969
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 4: had a you know, he had he had he had

970
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 4: nine sacks coming out of his you know, his second season,

971
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 4: and uh, they they kind of, you know, they went

972
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 4: with a new defensive scheme. They picked up you know,

973
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 4: DeMarcus Lawrence, so it kind of kind of cut down

974
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 4: on his snaps and passed for our situations. But to me,

975
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 4: he was a guy like Dray in the sense you

976
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 4: put him in a new you know, like he when

977
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 4: Trey went from New Orleans the Cincinnati. I think Matt

978
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 4: Day is the kind of guy. You know, he's in

979
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:31,959
Speaker 4: a scheme and he's going to be playing all three

980
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 4: downs that you know, I think what Pete Carroll envisioned

981
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 4: for him when he when they draft, when he and

982
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 4: Schneider drafted him in Seattle. And so I think he's

983
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 4: kind of got that. He's a He's a guy that

984
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 4: I think could break up with, you know. I think

985
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 4: he's obviously got the talent to be a double digit guy.

986
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 4: And now when Cincinnati, he's going to get the numbers.

987
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 4: He's going to get those seventy two, seventy three, seventy

988
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 4: five percent of the snaps.

989
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: Jeff Hobson with US wasn't getting through at HIMS.

990
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 2: Jeff Hobson with US Bengals dot Com senior writer, and

991
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 2: I think what fans need to realize there will be

992
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 2: more opportunities, almost a second wave of free agency.

993
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: Once training camp hits.

994
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 2: They could easily get a veteran linebacker quality one during

995
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 2: training camp, during the final cuts, and then of course

996
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: there's the draft coming up, and.

997
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: It's big.

998
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 2: It's big because at number ten, to me, you have

999
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 2: to have a quality starter. Explain to the fans, Jeff,

1000
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 2: what the Wentworth rule is.

1001
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, at number ten or really anywhere in the draft,

1002
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 4: the best guy on the board, no matter what position,

1003
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 4: and no matter what your depth shot looks like, if

1004
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 4: you remember, and thank you for asking, chick, and thank

1005
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 4: you for reading so closely. In two thousand and six,

1006
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 4: they were going to extend Willis and Levi Jones, the

1007
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 4: best one of the best tackle tannas in the league,

1008
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 4: and yet in the draft at number fifty five in

1009
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 4: the second round, they were staring and Andrew Whitworth, UH

1010
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 4: and Devin Hester. But they felt like Whitworth was the

1011
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 4: best three down player on that board, even though they

1012
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 4: had those two, even though they had those those two tackles.

1013
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 4: And if you remember, when Whitworth was coming out of LSU,

1014
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 4: not Paul Alexander, the Bengals offensive lineman, was only one

1015
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 4: offensive line coach was in a minority around the league

1016
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 4: who felt he could come in and play left tackle.

1017
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 4: Paul thought he could most many many thought he was

1018
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 4: a right tackle. Some didn't even think that, they thought

1019
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 4: he was a guy, but the Bengals felt like he was.

1020
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 4: The Bengals felt like he was the best guy on

1021
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 4: the board. And even though they had two solid tackles,

1022
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 4: they took the best player. And that can and that

1023
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 4: can you know, at some point, that's timer that's gonna help.

1024
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 4: And and we all know that Levi Jones unfortunately he

1025
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 4: signed that extension and he and he suffered a knee injury,

1026
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 4: and uh, Whitworth was there and he would he started

1027
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 4: out as a left guard and and and you know,

1028
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 4: when Levi couldn't come back from the knee, you know,

1029
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 4: they were lucky that they had a guy like Whitworth

1030
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 4: and he ended up being their anchor at left tackle

1031
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 4: for you know, for uh uh six playoff.

1032
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: Teams and probably absolutely well maybe you know.

1033
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right, that's right, and mean you know,

1034
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 4: and they uh and they had and they had Rollie

1035
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,479
Speaker 4: Anderson who should be in the Hall of Fame too,

1036
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 4: so took him. So that's the Whitworth rule. So at ten,

1037
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 4: you know, wou.

1038
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 2: Wouldn't offensive tackle their uh there, Jeff, I really wouldn't.

1039
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 4: Well, I mean I think I get you know, I

1040
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 4: think it's got to be defense. But right, I mean,

1041
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 4: if they I mean, if you, if you, if you

1042
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 4: are talking about the Whitworth rule and the best player

1043
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 4: on the board was an offensive tackle, even though you've

1044
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 4: just extended Orlando Brown, yes, you know, and and and

1045
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 4: they want to extend the Marius Limbs. But again, I think,

1046
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 4: you know, we're talking about the first round pick, and

1047
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 4: I bet then then we were talking about the second

1048
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 4: round pick. The first round picks. You know, there's probably

1049
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 4: gonna be a you know, to me, there's gotta be

1050
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 4: I think there'll be a defensive player there. But again

1051
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 4: that's a good but that will be a good exercise, chick.

1052
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 4: If you go, you know, if one of those tackles

1053
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 4: is there, one of those two top tackles is there,

1054
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 4: and yet you have the top corner of the board,

1055
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 4: you know, what's what's the call? I think you have

1056
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 4: to you know, you have to then at that point,

1057
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 4: I mean, if the guys are pretty much the same,

1058
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 4: you see great and the same, then I think at

1059
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 4: that point you've got to go for need you know.

1060
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 4: But if you were really adhering to the Whitworth rule, boom,

1061
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 4: you're just all by graves. So it's a it's it's

1062
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 4: gonna be an interesting exercise. And I think we also

1063
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 4: have to say check. And I can't wait to do

1064
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 4: my mock draft this week to see how free agency

1065
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 4: the first week a free agencies maybe impacted the nine

1066
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 4: to nine teams in front of them. You know, I'm

1067
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 4: you know, we're we're thinking, you know, the sunny Styles

1068
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 4: aren't going to be there and and the Banes aren't

1069
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 4: going to be there. Well, let's see, I mean, let's

1070
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 4: see what happens. Let's see how free agency uh has

1071
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 4: affected that.

1072
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 2: No doubt it will be. Yeah, this draft will be fun.

1073
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 2: There's no doubt. At number ten and then getting yeah,

1074
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: just getting more defensive.

1075
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 4: I mean I also think I also think at ten

1076
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 4: and still uh that's still that's can still use that

1077
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 4: in their trade too. I mean I think that's I

1078
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 4: wouldn't rule that out, you know. So that's a you know,

1079
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,479
Speaker 4: that's uh, that's the ammunition there. I mean, either way,

1080
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 4: you know, and it's uh, you know, this could be

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Speaker 4: you know, maybe don't stay at ten. Maybe this is

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Speaker 4: the year you go back and and and you know,

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Speaker 4: and you get some extra picks but I remember.

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Speaker 2: Talking so many yeah, so many coaches, Jeff that you've

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Speaker 2: you've got to draft and to win your division. And

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Speaker 2: don't you get the feeling that the Ravens Yeah, uh,

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Speaker 2: and the Steelers are accumulating players to offset the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think you know this is clearly

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01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 4: uh what Jack's the senior man. Now you get three

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01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 4: three teams in the division with new coaches, So Bengals

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Speaker 4: have a great opportunity to take advantage of that continuity.

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Speaker 4: And uh, you know I think that, you know, I think, uh,

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Speaker 4: you get these teams in transit. You know, Baltimore's kind

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Speaker 4: of they're in a situation where they added Hendrickson, but

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01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 4: they've also lost some some of you know, some solid guys,

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Speaker 4: you know, and you know they got to get the

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Speaker 4: Lumiars things figured. You know, so they're in transition. Pittsburgh,

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01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 4: what are they doing a quarterback? I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: so they've made moves. Have they made moves to you know?

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01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't know. I mean, it's like you said,

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01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 4: we're really in the first stage. You know, there's gonna

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Speaker 4: be there's a there's you get closer, you know, you

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01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 4: get after the draft, guys get cut, you know, training

1104
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 4: camp guys get cut. So I mean this was uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, they've made some of their you know, some

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01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 4: of their best trades have been you know, like right

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01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 4: before camp they got DJ Hill. You know, they've so

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Speaker 4: I you know, and I think, you know, some of

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01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 4: their better I think back to twenty twelve when uh,

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01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 4: you know, they you know, they traded down and they

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Speaker 4: they traded down and you know they got they got Zeitler,

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01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 4: which was which you know, which was a really good pick.

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Speaker 4: And I you know, I think so I think there's

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Speaker 4: there's so many states just a player acquisition. It's not

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Speaker 4: done after what we're six days in, five days in.

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01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 4: So really, I you know.

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Speaker 2: Like what Mike Brown likes to say, Mike Brown likes

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01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 2: to say it, the rosters like a kaleidoscope, tweak it

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01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 2: and everything changes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, right, I mean, you know, and they've

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Speaker 4: got they've got they've got three big one you know,

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01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 4: they got they got three big ones here. But you know,

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Speaker 4: obviously they'd like to you know, they'd like to get

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01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 4: you know, pick off a linebacker here, a Yon linebacker.

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Speaker 4: And I and I you know, I I mean I

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01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 4: always wake up every morning. I'm always worried about cornerback.

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01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 4: You know, the they've got they get two really solid

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01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 4: uh starting guys on the outside and dak Still and

1129
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 4: DJ Turner. That's as good as it gets, I think.

1130
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 4: But you know, you're gonna need a guy who can uh,

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01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 4: a guy who can back them up on the outside.

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01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 4: So uh, I think that's something. I think. I think

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Speaker 4: that's something they're gonna prouge too. And you know sometimes

1134
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 4: those guys not sometimes is often they'll they'll you know,

1135
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 4: they'll shake free after the draft, you know, so uh

1136
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 4: can't grab everything and that first but you know, you

1137
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 4: can't grab everything in that first wave. But I think

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Speaker 4: I think you can get Like you said, I think

1139
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 4: you can pick off some veteran people as people you know, uh, yes, guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Jeff, it's always it's always fun, always a

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Speaker 2: pleasure having you on. Thank you so much, Jeff Hobson,

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Speaker 2: Senior writer Begles dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you, chick, Thanks so much.

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Speaker 4: Enjoying tomorrow and hope to talk to you soon. The

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Speaker 4: Red Sox come in here. It's gonna be an interesting

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01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 4: opening uh.

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Speaker 1: Weekend, it will be say hi to the doll for us.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks, thank you all right, Jeff Hobson and hey,

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Speaker 2: that's all for for tonight for chick Ludwig. Donna d

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Speaker 2: is going to take over these airwaves. It's been a blast.

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Speaker 2: Want to thank our guests tonight, Chris Sparks, David Armbrewster,

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Speaker 2: doctor Rick Apke and Jeff Hobson. Until next time, which

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Speaker 2: will be next Saturday. This is the Chickster chick Ludwig

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