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Speaker 1: From the factfully not so frozen tundra of our Kinwood Studios.

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Speaker 1: Good evening, carry Jeb Walker with a new nightcap on

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Speaker 1: this Tuesday night, January twenty seven, twenty twenty six. Sub

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Speaker 1: Tonight on tonight's show, Nathan Berning, who along with his

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Speaker 1: in this country. The pro life message of Nathan burning

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Speaker 1: coming up very very shortly. John O'Connor, who's a former

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Speaker 1: which is about how the Washington Post betrayed Deep Throat,

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Speaker 1: Watergate in many ways. And we'll be talking about legal issues,

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Speaker 1: including Minnesota with John O'Connor. Richard c Lyons, an American

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Speaker 1: poet who has well with a series of essays into

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Speaker 1: the book, actually two books, the DNA of Democracy Volume one,

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Speaker 1: in Shadows of the Acropolis Volume two, among other things.

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Speaker 1: On the table with Richard c Lyons our attempts to,

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Speaker 1: media itself. We have a special guest tonight. Well, they're

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Speaker 1: all special in their own way. Gene Dall, who was

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Speaker 1: a not so frozen nightcap and I hope you were

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Speaker 1: staying warm and safe yourself, thank god. Seven hundred WLW

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Speaker 1: and before and this program not necessarily anyone associated with

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Speaker 1: the station or the staff or advertisers or whatever, but

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Speaker 1: me personally being a pro life guests, pro life host. Rather,

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Speaker 1: man definitely qualifies. He's still stuck in Washington, DC because

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Speaker 1: He is a co founder of an organization called Let

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Speaker 1: Them Live, and he has been in Washington for the

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Speaker 1: March for Life, which happened this past Friday before the

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Speaker 1: And uh, there's there's a disconnect from what has publicly

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Speaker 1: you'll be able to get home, Nathan, Well.

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Speaker 2: First of all, thanks for having me Gary H. Right now,

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Speaker 2: So I've and having lots of conversations that you know,

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Speaker 3: Boy, I heard JD.

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Speaker 1: Vance's speech last Friday before the march, and he certainly

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Speaker 1: This came on the heels of sixteen pro life activists

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Speaker 3: I was actually arrested with them.

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Speaker 2: And the reason that I believe in in this way

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Speaker 3: Being, an innocent human being, then would we not do

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Speaker 2: Means that we have to go out and stand in

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Speaker 3: To we need to ban abortion.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that sounds great and all, but like, how

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Speaker 3: We have to think a little bit deeper than we

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Speaker 1: Well, well, Nathan, you know, some of the Minnesota so

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Speaker 1: I believe abortion is murder too. But if you are

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Speaker 3: Were you were.

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Speaker 3: What? What? What was the arrest charge? What were you

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Speaker 2: It's it's when you're when you're blocking traffic. That's definitely

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Speaker 2: You know, we're helping women to choose life, so we're

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Speaker 3: And it works. It's effective. So in addition to saying, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Abortion pill, the abortion pill is bad, we also have

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Speaker 2: make sure that they feel confident choosing life and that

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Speaker 2: or if it does, they immediately know there's an alternative

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Speaker 1: You say that the Trump vance administration, in spite of

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Speaker 1: also that federal funds overseen by AHHS were quietly released

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Speaker 1: a planned parenthood. I don't want any of my tax

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Speaker 1: what's happening there. Can you tell me about it that?

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Speaker 3: Well? I agree with you in all ways.

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Speaker 2: I think we should not have any tax dollars going

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Speaker 3: That's a travesty. We have to ban the abortion pill.

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Speaker 2: I mean, not just because it kills babies, but because

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Speaker 2: it harms women. I mean the recent report from the

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Speaker 3: Abortion pill is incredibly damaging to women.

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Speaker 2: Eleven percent of women have adverse side effects from the

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Speaker 1: It's not happening outside of MEFI prestone being available at all.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me, Nathan, like that there has to

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Speaker 2: Nathan, Well, you can visit let themlive dot org. Let

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Speaker 2: Them Live is an awesome example of what we should

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Speaker 3: So let them live as an example.

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Speaker 2: But to be completely frank, we're going to have to

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, My door is always open for you and this

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Speaker 1: All right, let them live dot Nathan Burning, thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for your time. I hope you get out

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, thank you man, you know, thanks for your

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Speaker 3: We appreciate you so much and we'll talk soon.

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Speaker 1: God bless Coming up next Richard c Lyons, author of

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Speaker 1: The DNA of Democracy, and how that DNA is being

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Speaker 1: He's an American poet who has woven a series of

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Speaker 1: First and foremost, Richard lyones, how are you doing? And

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Speaker 6: Doing fine? And looking at a frozen lake ahead of me.

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Speaker 6: I'm in Wisconsin, Oh my goodness. Yeah, but we're used

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Speaker 1: Well, it drives them crazy for some good reasons. Because

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Speaker 6: No, and that's where the danger really lies, where you

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Speaker 3: What are your thoughts? Do you think this is? This is?

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Speaker 6: This has all the earmarks of being extremely well orchestrated,

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Speaker 6: Are all those persons you know who believe in Hamas,

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Speaker 6: this inner city, if I may, Gary, Jeff, this inner

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it wasn't. It hasn't really been happening

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Speaker 6: Yeah, how about that they want the FEDS out of

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Speaker 6: I think you're right, there's a real motive in that,

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Speaker 3: Let's protect ourselves. Let's see why ay as we.

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Speaker 1: Say so, when democracies have fallen in the past were

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Speaker 1: But since you've looked back at this in both of

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Speaker 6: let in tens of millions of people against the immigration

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Speaker 6: laws of this country, and now can defy federal law

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Speaker 6: enforcement from having anything to do with getting them out

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Speaker 6: of the country or getting them incarcerated. So this is

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Speaker 6: a fundamental problem. When you have half the country not

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Speaker 6: believing in the foundation of the country, you're at odds.

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Speaker 6: And again, it's not a system that's dissimilar or kind

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Speaker 6: of like. It is absolutely diametrically opposite. When you give

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Speaker 6: the state all the rights in the nation and not

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Speaker 6: the individual, that's opposite to the individual rights that we

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Speaker 6: enjoy in this country.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And the Constitution with the right to imprison you, to

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Speaker 6: take your property, to threaten your family and friends.

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Speaker 1: The Constitution was written to protect individual's rights, not the collective.

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Speaker 6: Correct. Correct, And that's where they're going.

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Speaker 1: And this mass migration that was allowed to occur by

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Speaker 1: Democrats under their watch was done purposely to not only

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Speaker 1: uh bring in hopefully new voters and new power for

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Speaker 1: them and representation in our Congress, but also to totally

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Speaker 1: change the demography of the country itself.

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Speaker 3: I mean the.

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Speaker 6: Makeup exactly so and so. And also you know, and

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Speaker 6: going back to the Chinese, they love to see our

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Speaker 6: urban areas destabilized, right They they love to see chaos

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Speaker 6: in our country the same way, the same.

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Speaker 1: Way that they would love to see as ma'm donnie

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Speaker 1: has talked about and others, these democrats, socialists whatever they're

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Speaker 1: calling themselves, their communists, Uh pretty pretty clearly, Uh, take

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Speaker 1: away individual property rights.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, now why is that? Why is that key?

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Speaker 6: If I may, surey Jeff. The reason there is there

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Speaker 6: are property rights is they they constitute a citizen's first

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Speaker 6: defense against the ambitions of government. If you try and

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Speaker 6: try and of a farmer with one hundred acres and

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Speaker 6: if the government went after him, as the EPA does

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Speaker 6: now through rules and regulations, he has that asset to

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Speaker 6: be able to hire a lawyer and fight the government

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Speaker 6: even though the government's means are inexhaustible. But imagine if

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump had not had the financial means to fight

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Speaker 6: back for the last ten years, he would have been

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Speaker 6: broke eight years ago, right and with no defense, and

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Speaker 6: would probably be in jail now for everything they threw

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Speaker 6: at him. So the having rights to private property and

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Speaker 6: a stake in a free enterprise system thereby and a

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Speaker 6: stake in.

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Speaker 1: Common law allows you allows you the means to protect

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Speaker 1: your individual rights.

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Speaker 6: Yes, right, they all go together, all right.

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Speaker 1: So that's crucial is having individual property rights as well

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Speaker 1: as the right to rejest your green and says with

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Speaker 1: the government. See, this is where a lot of people

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Speaker 1: are at odds with what has been going on in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 1: because they say, you know, they're just they're exhibiting their

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Speaker 1: their right, they're practicing their right to freedom of speech

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Speaker 1: with these protests. But once you go over the line

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Speaker 1: and you impede a law enforcement agency from doing lawful things,

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Speaker 1: then exactly then the first and then the first Amendment

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Speaker 1: right to free speech goes out the window.

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Speaker 6: Right, Yes, And I would put it this way. If

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Speaker 6: they dislike the immigration laws, rather than being democrats and

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Speaker 6: just not you know, ignoring them, right, they need to

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Speaker 6: go to Congress and make a movement towards getting immigration

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Speaker 6: laws changed. But you have to enforce the laws on

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Speaker 6: the books. And when you interfere with that, when you

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Speaker 6: take your suv and literally speed up into an alert

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Speaker 6: officer and in front of your suv, you should not

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Speaker 6: do that in our society. And you should not come

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Speaker 6: and confront ice resist ice while you're holding an automatic

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Speaker 6: weapon and two full clips of ammunition. I mean if

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Speaker 6: I did that in my town right here in Wisconsin,

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Speaker 6: either of those things, I'd be shot down. Yeah, you

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Speaker 6: don't do that in a in a country devoted to

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Speaker 6: common law, you just don't.

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Speaker 1: And yet there's still people trying to defend renee Goods

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Speaker 1: action and saying what a tragedy it is. And it

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Speaker 1: is a tragedy. Someone died, but yes, kind of at

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Speaker 1: her own hands and know, and.

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Speaker 6: She's a very very convenient martyr for the socialist left.

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Speaker 6: All these different organizations that wish that really honestly want

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Speaker 6: to dismantle the laws of the United States, dismantle the

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Speaker 6: Constitution and replace it with a tyrannical form of government,

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Speaker 6: which is what socialism is. I don't care about the

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Speaker 6: name socialism, communism, fascism. They're all tyrannical forms of government,

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Speaker 6: as tyrannical as the Communist Party of China, as tyrannical

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Speaker 6: as the Bolshevis of Lenin or the fascist of Hitler.

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Speaker 6: They're all the same. They take all your rights away

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Speaker 6: and then subject you to their rule, and if you

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Speaker 6: don't like it, you can go to prison or you

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Speaker 6: can be shot. That's what this is. And they're claiming

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Speaker 6: they're really brave and claiming that the our side, that

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Speaker 6: side devoted to the Constitution, is somehow fascist, wrong, it's

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Speaker 6: they who don't believe in the.

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Speaker 4: Rule of law.

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Speaker 1: I would say overall, for the most part, January sixth

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Speaker 1: was archieanemn square in this country.

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Speaker 3: So I go.

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Speaker 1: Really far to the side of the people who were

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Speaker 1: mostly peaceful process. There were people outside who never went

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Speaker 1: to the Capitol building, who were scooped up and arrested

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Speaker 1: in the ensuing twelve to eighteen months after January sixth

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Speaker 1: in this country. I've interviewed some of them, and they

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Speaker 1: were no threat. There were no insurrections.

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Speaker 6: No, my sister was there, for Heaven's sake, She's seventy

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Speaker 6: years old. She was exercising her right. And we really

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Speaker 6: need to great for bringing this up. How many of

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Speaker 6: those January sixth persons arrested had to go through their

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Speaker 6: bank accounts and the value of their property to hire

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Speaker 6: lawyers and defend themselves, just.

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Speaker 1: As you mentioned Donald Trump having the means to defend

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Speaker 1: himself against.

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Speaker 3: Everything that people Some people, some people I've talked to.

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Speaker 1: Them too, believe now and I hope that someday they

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Speaker 1: will at least be partially made whole for what was

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Speaker 1: taken from them. And I thought we were going to

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Speaker 1: have that with this Trump administration. At least there were

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Speaker 1: pardons en mass for those people.

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Speaker 6: Yeah and yeah, if they could bring a case against

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Speaker 6: the government's over ambitious zeal and imprisoning them, I wish

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Speaker 6: they would. I think that's part of the cure for

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Speaker 6: what's going on, would be exercising the judiciary to attack

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Speaker 6: politicians who are left leaning and don't believe in the law.

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Speaker 1: Almost everyone agrees, Almost everyone agrees that Greenland is crucial

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Speaker 1: for the security of the West. Yeah, because of its

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Speaker 1: strategic location, and it kind of bookends.

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Speaker 3: You know, we have.

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Speaker 1: Alaska, we had Seward's folly, which wasn't such a folly

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Speaker 1: after all, when everything was done and counted, we have Greenland.

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Speaker 1: How do you think in a couple of minutes, how

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Speaker 1: do you think that's going to shake out?

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Speaker 6: Richard Well, I think under the umbrella of NATO, Trump

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Speaker 6: will get what he wants, and that is to forward

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Speaker 6: position the Golden Dome as he calls it, so that

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Speaker 6: you will have a rent of defenses from Greenland and

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Speaker 6: Canada and Alaska, so that whatever Russia positions in the

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Speaker 6: Arctic at North Pole, we have a defensive system to

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Speaker 6: complete that arc and defend America.

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Speaker 1: Very good so it's not a never was a matter

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Speaker 1: of a military takeover.

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Speaker 3: I just laughed speculating.

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Speaker 6: Trump's way of opening a subject, especially what he really

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Speaker 6: wants is for NATO to get up on its feet,

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Speaker 6: which he asked Denmark to do five years ago. And look,

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Speaker 6: this is an undefended area of the world and we're liable.

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Speaker 6: So we have to forward position the Golden Dome. And

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Speaker 6: that's what he's going to do.

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Speaker 1: Richard C. Lyons, as always a productive conversation. I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time again today and keep enjoying that beautiful

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Speaker 1: frozen lake in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's better than Mississippi. Better than they're doing in Mississippi,

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Speaker 6: I'm really sorry.

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Speaker 3: Better than Southgate, Kentucky too, let.

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Speaker 6: Me tell you well, great to talk to you too.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thank you so much, Richard Lyons, our historian,

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Speaker 1: poet and champion of democracy on the Nightcap. Coming up next.

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Speaker 1: John O'Connor on seven hundred WLW. Where he is right now.

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Speaker 1: I hope he's staying warm. Assistant US attorney in Northern

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Speaker 1: California for many years, he served representing the United States

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Speaker 1: in both criminal and civil cases. He's the author of Postgate.

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Speaker 1: How the Washington Post, betrayed deep throat, covered up Watergate,

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Speaker 1: and began today's partisan advocacy journalism, which, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll be talking a little bit about that

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Speaker 1: continuing partisan advocacy journalism here in just a few moments.

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Speaker 1: And he has been a guest with us multiple times,

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Speaker 1: and he's back again tonight. John O'Connor, Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the Nightcap. John, how are you.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Good to be with you. Yeah, it's great to

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Speaker 3: have you.

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Speaker 1: First and foremost, let's talk about from a legal standpoint,

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Speaker 1: the protesters in Minnesota. And when I say protesters, I

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Speaker 1: mean really, to a large part agitators who have been

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Speaker 1: paid to be there. It's well organized, and they are truly,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion and in the opinion of the Department

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Speaker 1: of Homeland Security and the President up to this point,

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Speaker 1: have been seen as impeding law enforcement from doing their

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Speaker 1: duty of enforcing the law and rounding up these illegal criminals,

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Speaker 1: illegal alien criminals, which is their task by the law

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Speaker 1: and by the President, and them being portrayed as mostly

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Speaker 1: peaceful protesters. We've seen all that before, John, We saw

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Speaker 1: it in twenty twenty with BLM and Antifa and many

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Speaker 1: of the same people are involved in these so called

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Speaker 1: peaceful protests soda, are they not?

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Speaker 7: Well, that's right, and they're not. They're not peaceful protests.

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Speaker 7: They're peaceful protests. I don't think anybody would care. In fact,

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Speaker 7: I would welcome them, and I'd welcome people taking pictures.

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Speaker 7: That's fine, you know, And so everything's on the up

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Speaker 7: and up, but that's not what they're doing. It's obvious

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Speaker 7: they're trying to impede as much as possible. They're getting

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Speaker 7: in the way, they're putting up roadblocks, they're putting human

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Speaker 7: shields there, trying to prevent ICE from moving, and so

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Speaker 7: that's exactly what they're doing, and they're really breaking the law.

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Speaker 3: So what's a shame about the.

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Speaker 7: Whole thing is, until recently, I think the Trump administration

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Speaker 7: and ICE in the Border Patrol had the high ground.

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Speaker 7: They were doing their job. And you know, the shooting

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Speaker 7: of the woman in the car, that was really her fault.

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Speaker 3: I hate to say that, but as.

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Speaker 7: She did it, you know, you don't gun you don't

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Speaker 7: recklessly gun a car.

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Speaker 3: And you don't know where you're going.

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Speaker 7: And I don't think she was trying to run them over,

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Speaker 7: but she gunned the car and went right to a

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Speaker 7: guy he had to shoot her. But but now this

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Speaker 7: last thing, boy, that's just really kind of sickening.

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Speaker 4: I I just.

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Speaker 7: Don't know what was going through the mind of the shooter.

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Speaker 7: You know, the guy gets also gets shot ten shots.

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Speaker 7: I suspect, I mean, the reporting seems to be that

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Speaker 7: first of all, that this pretty that deceit and pretty

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Speaker 7: didn't have a gun in his hands, that it was

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Speaker 7: pulled from a belt or something like that, a belt

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Speaker 7: or some sort of strap. And then and and that

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Speaker 7: the officer had it in his hand at the time

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Speaker 7: the guy got shot, I was shot by another officer.

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Speaker 7: And to me, maybe that one guy just panicked he

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Speaker 7: saw a gun. Somebody might have yelled gun, and so

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Speaker 7: he shot the guy. And it's just a shame. I mean,

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Speaker 7: that's clearly a civil wrong. I used to defend these cases.

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Speaker 7: This is one where the government just gets out of

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Speaker 7: his checkbook and writes a check to the mother at

658
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Speaker 7: some point. But it's and that's just too bad. But

659
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Speaker 7: it just sours the country on the whole thing, makes

660
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Speaker 7: it look like, all of a sudden, the bad guys

661
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Speaker 7: are the government. And well today today.

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Speaker 1: Today the president has sent Tom Holman to Minnesota, and

663
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Speaker 1: apparently over the weekend the President had productive calls, he says,

664
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Speaker 1: with both Governor Walls and with Mayor Frye in Minneapolis,

665
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Speaker 1: and there seems to be now this movement to pull

666
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Speaker 1: largely the ICE contingent out of Minneapolis and to let

667
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Speaker 1: border Patrol do the work. And it finally looks like

668
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Speaker 1: there's going to be a level of cooperation from the

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Speaker 1: authorities there in Minnesota. And this the administration has pointed

670
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Speaker 1: out many times during this two week three week siege

671
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Speaker 1: and I mean siege by the people who are agitating

672
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Speaker 1: ICE doing their jobs. For the first time, this sanctuary

673
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: city and sanctuary state are willing to cooperate and turn

674
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Speaker 1: those who have criminal indictments against them over to ICE

675
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Speaker 1: and Border Patrol, because if they had done this to

676
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Speaker 1: begin with, this has not happened anywhere else where ICE

677
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: is searched, John, It's only happened in Minneapolis and Minnesota,

678
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Speaker 1: and it's largely due in part to the failed leadership

679
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Speaker 1: there of both the governor of that state and the

680
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Speaker 1: mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Frye. It's because they would not

681
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Speaker 1: let their police department cooperate with ICE in turning these

682
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Speaker 1: illegal criminals over and furthermore agitating a calling for more

683
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Speaker 1: agitation of officers doing their legal job. The other thing, too,

684
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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about, is that ICE is

685
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Speaker 1: not trained in crowd control. And because of the absence

686
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Speaker 1: of Minnesota police or the the scarcity of Minnesota police,

687
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Speaker 1: Minneapolis police, there's only six hundred officers for that city

688
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Speaker 1: right now. Because the whole defund the police nonsense. Because

689
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Speaker 1: of their absence, ICE was doing a job they were

690
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: never trained or intended to do.

691
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Speaker 3: Right. Well, that's right.

692
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Speaker 7: And here's and you hit the nail on the head here.

693
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Speaker 7: These people are complaining about federal law enforcements says, oh,

694
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Speaker 7: we don't need you, we can do things ourselves. Well,

695
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 7: you're not doing it yourself. Part of your job is.

696
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Speaker 3: To control crime.

697
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 7: And this whole sanctuary city thing is a sophomoric idea.

698
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Speaker 3: It's along with defund the police, it does not help.

699
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Speaker 7: What you're saying is, look, we could have our good

700
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Speaker 7: local law enforcement handle these things in our way. We

701
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 7: know the neighborhoods, we know the people. We can control

702
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 7: these people. But no, they have to keep their hands off. Well,

703
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 7: guess what you're inviting ICE and Border Patrol in who

704
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 7: you say, CORREC don't have training in urban crowd control.

705
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 7: So it is just a silly, sophomoricd idea, this whole

706
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Speaker 7: sanctuary city thing.

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Speaker 3: And look look where it leads. You know, there's a.

708
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Speaker 7: Void, and into the void comes Ice and then of

709
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 7: course then there's this violent protest. Well, you know, how

710
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 7: about rather than this violent protest, why doesn't everybody really

711
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 7: just take a deep breath try to resolve the issue

712
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Speaker 7: in a calm way. Minnesota should want to get rid

713
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Speaker 7: of its worst criminals. And if we all agreed that

714
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 7: that's the whole idea, get rid of the really bad guys.

715
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,479
Speaker 7: You can honor detainers, you can let people know when

716
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 7: you have arrested in a legal immigrant and then at

717
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Speaker 7: the same time, I think the Trunt administration should say, look,

718
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Speaker 7: we're going to really be concerned about the worst. First,

719
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Speaker 7: We're going to get rid of the bad guys. And

720
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Speaker 7: you know, we may decide in some situations where somebody's illegal,

721
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Speaker 7: we may decide, you know, to put them on the

722
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Speaker 7: list for a green card if they haven't you know, uh,

723
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Speaker 7: if they're not violating a removal order or what have you. Uh,

724
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Speaker 7: there could be some way of doing that without giving

725
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Speaker 7: people amnesty, just laying off the deportations. I think if

726
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 7: if the country were sure that the people were getting

727
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 7: rid of are bad guys, everybody's going to be one

728
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Speaker 7: hundred percent.

729
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Speaker 4: Behind this thing.

730
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Speaker 7: So I you know, so I hesitate to talk about

731
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Speaker 7: any kind of anything that sounds like amnesty. But the

732
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Speaker 7: point is, if the local police helped and cooperative local

733
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Speaker 7: with law with the federal law enforcement, you're not gonna

734
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Speaker 7: have riots. You're gonna have humane treatment of these people.

735
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Speaker 7: The protests aren't going to be as as wild, and

736
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Speaker 7: so the problem would be solved. But you know, there's

737
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Speaker 7: there's a there's there's some a lot of local responsibility

738
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Speaker 7: for this stuff.

739
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Speaker 3: You know, there's responsibility in media.

740
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Speaker 1: To John talking to John O'Connor, author of Postgate, and

741
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Speaker 1: I love the subtitle of that, how the Washington Post

742
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Speaker 1: betrayed deep throat, covered up Watergate, and began today's partisan

743
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: advocacy journalism. And in this age of mainstream media seeming

744
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: to always favor anything that is anti Trump or pro left,

745
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: pro Democrat, pro left, they've not been telling the full

746
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Speaker 1: story about what's going on with these agitators in Minnesota,

747
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: calling them peaceful protesters and not you know, in the

748
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Speaker 1: case of Renee Good, yes she tried to I don't

749
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Speaker 1: know if she tried to run the guy, but she

750
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Speaker 1: ran the guy over, she bumped him, caused internal injuries,

751
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Speaker 1: and he had no other recourse, but as you said,

752
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Speaker 1: to shoot her. In the case of Alex Petty, this

753
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: is still up in the air, and the Trump administration

754
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 1: has said that yes, we're gonna wait for an investigation.

755
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Speaker 1: But the media has played such a partisan role in

756
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Speaker 1: how most Americans are getting this story. And that's a

757
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: part of the story as well, isn't it.

758
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Speaker 3: John, Well, that's right, because here's the problem.

759
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Speaker 7: When the media is so much one note and they're

760
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Speaker 7: always critical. When you're a person in the middle, a

761
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 7: centrist person that doesn't try to prejudge the facts, then

762
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 7: what you're going to say is when the media comes

763
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 7: out and says something, you don't believe it. You just

764
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 7: don't believe it because you know that they're always biased.

765
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Speaker 7: If they really had credibility, they would be more effective.

766
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Speaker 7: The media would be more effective and they'd get more attention.

767
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 7: But right now.

768
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Speaker 3: They're just not.

769
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Speaker 7: And the people who believe the media all that does

770
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 7: is work them up. They think, you know, if they

771
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 7: think that, you know, Trump's a Nazi and so forth

772
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 7: and so on and all all everybody ice is a Nazi. Well,

773
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 7: that just encourages violence. That encourages the righteousness of violence,

774
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Speaker 7: and that's not good either. So the media, I'm convinced

775
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 7: the media is the main problem in our society, the

776
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 7: main problem. It gives a sense of entitlement to deep

777
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 7: state people who think that it's really cool to undermine

778
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 7: the president. Look what James Comy and his group did,

779
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 7: great example. Yeah, So the media is behind a lot

780
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 7: of this, and they give the population the idea that

781
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 7: certain things are okay to do, certain law breaking is okay,

782
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 7: and in this case, impeding law enforcement. They're really saying

783
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 7: that's okay. During the George Floyd riots, it's okay to

784
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Speaker 7: burn a city. Yeah, it's okay because it's a mostly

785
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 7: peaceful protest. Now, if you happen to be on January

786
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Speaker 7: sixth and you happen to be wandering around the Capitol

787
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Speaker 7: building and walks into the Capitol and one of the

788
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 7: doors that was white open, now you're a terrible person.

789
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Speaker 3: That's I guess I don't mind that.

790
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 7: I mean, at least I don't mind people being prosecuted

791
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 7: for trespassing.

792
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: But come on, a.

793
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 7: Group of people are burning down cities and that's okay,

794
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 7: and the police officer shoots Ashley Babbitt. People forget about that.

795
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 7: This is terrible, this last shooting. But what about Ashley Babbitt?

796
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 7: A woman who breaks through a window and isn't endangering anybody,

797
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 7: doesn't have a weapon, and she gets shot.

798
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Speaker 3: So I think some of.

799
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Speaker 7: This is the result of a bias media in which

800
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 7: one side is always right and one side's always wrong.

801
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Speaker 1: Let's switch gears here, John O'Connor talk about Julane Maxwell.

802
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Speaker 1: She is scheduled to appear before a House Oversight committee,

803
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Speaker 1: I believe, on February ninth, which is a week from

804
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Speaker 1: next Monday, so we're just about two weeks away from that.

805
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Speaker 1: Do you expect any revelations? Do you expect that she'll

806
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Speaker 1: speak at all?

807
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 7: I really don't. I think she probably has an out

808
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 7: with the Fifth Amendment. Now, what I don't know is

809
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 7: is there a deal being made? And you always can

810
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 7: there's always the possibility that a deal has been made

811
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Speaker 7: as to what she'll say, what she won't say, and

812
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 7: so forth, and she may be doing something to get

813
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 7: a better you know, the possibility of early parole or whatever.

814
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 7: So you don't know that factor the X factors. Has

815
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Speaker 7: there been dealing now if it's just I don't know,

816
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 7: if it could just be sort of a political grandstanding.

817
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 7: I don't know what they really expect from her. Is

818
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 7: she really going to get out there name names. I

819
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Speaker 7: don't think so. I just don't. I just am not

820
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Speaker 7: going to be I'm not going to turn on my set,

821
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Speaker 7: you know.

822
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll wait for the uptake afterwards. With the dragging

823
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Speaker 1: of the feat even with a loss sign into effect

824
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Speaker 1: that my Congressman Thomas Massey authored and brought to the

825
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Speaker 1: House floor that says they must release the Epstein files,

826
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Speaker 1: but with defeat dragging continuing at the DOJ in the

827
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Speaker 1: release of all but maybe one percent of those files

828
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Speaker 1: so far. Maybe, as you mentioned, this is more political

829
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Speaker 1: grand standing to try and deflect from the fact that

830
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Speaker 1: they are still not following the law and releasing all

831
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Speaker 1: these files. Will they ever, Well, that's a really good point.

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Speaker 7: I have real problems with this because you have a

833
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 7: legislative act, but it also interferes with law enforcement and

834
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Speaker 7: also privacy. For instance, about do you have permission from

835
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 7: the girls. Let's say you're out there right now and

836
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 7: you're a happily married woman, do you really want to

837
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 7: let it be known that when you were sixteen you

838
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 7: were doing stuff with Epstein. I don't think so. And

839
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Speaker 7: or you were nineteen or twenty, that's another thing. And

840
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 7: then you know, some names can get dragged into this

841
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 7: who didn't do anything wrong. It's not clear that everybody

842
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 7: participated in the nasty stuff. But you know, if you

843
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 7: take a trip, if you're on the island, and you know,

844
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Speaker 7: it's just a very very tough situation.

845
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Speaker 3: And if I were a person.

846
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Speaker 7: That had gone to the island, I would be having

847
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Speaker 7: my lawyer write letters right now saying you release my name,

848
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 7: you're going to get sued. And so it's just that

849
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 7: easy to do, because I mean, now it's the suit

850
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 7: going to go anywhere. Probably not, probably not. But the

851
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 7: other thing is, if there is a criminal prosecution yet

852
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Speaker 7: to be executed, so to speak, you've completely up that

853
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Speaker 7: prosecution with premature release of this stuff. So there are

854
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Speaker 7: a lot of reasons. There's a lot of things going on,

855
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Speaker 7: and I'm sure there are people behind the scenes saying,

856
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Speaker 7: don't release this.

857
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

858
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Speaker 1: In Postgate, you talked about how the Washington Post betrayed

859
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Speaker 1: deep throat, and the next line is covered up Watergate

860
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Speaker 1: in a minute or so if you could do it

861
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Speaker 1: in a minute? Did How did the Washington Post cover

862
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Speaker 1: up Watergate? When they broke the story.

863
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Speaker 7: The very moment of the burglary the very day they

864
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Speaker 7: knew that the target of the burglary had nothing to

865
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Speaker 7: do with the campaign. That had to do with spying

866
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Speaker 7: on naughty men out of town to go to the

867
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Speaker 7: DNC and we're calling up naughty women down the street

868
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Speaker 7: to arrange things in the evening. That's what they were taping.

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Speaker 7: Number two, that was at the behest. Although John Deane

870
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Speaker 7: wanted that for his own little intelligence portfolio, it was

871
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Speaker 7: mainly a CIA operation.

872
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 3: James McCord, we're working for the CAA. These guys knew that.

873
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 7: The Post knew that, not all of the first day,

874
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 7: a lot of it the first day, but within not

875
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 7: too long a time, within the next couple of weeks.

876
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 3: They knew it.

877
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 7: And they never told the public that this was not

878
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 7: a campaign operation, just that one thing hooks Nixon to it.

879
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 7: If it's not a campaign operation. Then Nixon's not involved,

880
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 7: and he wasn't, you know, So it was really never

881
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 7: ever brooded about. When finally the special prosecutor is named.

882
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 7: Now he has no interest in absolving the people he's

883
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 7: supposed to prosecute. That's one of the problems with special counsel.

884
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 7: You're supposed to go out there and prosecute the people

885
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 7: that are on the hook there and not let them off.

886
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 7: And yet that would have happened had they released a

887
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 7: special counsel said oh, by the way, the Sea I's

888
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 7: into this up to their eyeballs. So and to this

889
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 7: day the Washington Post is lying about it.

890
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: Wow, Shot o'cotnor as all was a pleasure, my friend,

891
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: very enlightening stuff, and I appreciate your perspective on everything

892
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: we talked about, and hopefully we'll do it again sometime

893
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: this year.

894
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 3: Okay, great talk, good talkt you bet, thank you.

895
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: Coming up in just a few minutes, we will bring

896
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: you Gene Dale, who played guitar for Otis Redding. As

897
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: the nightcap continues on seven hundred WLW.

898
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 8: Sitting in the mall song, I'll be sitting in the

899
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 8: d and can.

900
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 3: Watching the ships rolling.

901
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 5: Then I'll watch you roll Away.

902
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sitting on.

903
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: The door of course, one of the trail blazers of

904
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: R and B B music in the nineteen sixties and

905
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,959
Speaker 1: the classic nonumber one Sitting on the Dock of the Day,

906
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: released after Otis Redding had been killed in the plane crash.

907
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 1: On the guitar, I believe on that is his co

908
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: writer Steve Cropper.

909
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 3: But on the.

910
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: Telephone tonight, we have someone who has some other very

911
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: very cool ties to the late great Otis Redding. And

912
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: thanks to Peter Robinson for hooking us up tonight. The

913
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: man is named Jean Dahl, and he played guitar with

914
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: Otis Redding, and we're going to find out all about

915
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: that here in the next twenty minutes or so. Jean Dall,

916
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: welcome to the night Cap. It's great to have you

917
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: on the show tonight.

918
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 3: How are you hello, I'm doing well.

919
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 8: Thanks.

920
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're living in Florida these days, right, yep?

921
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 4: So you was so.

922
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: Did you escape the ice storm that the rest of

923
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: us had to deal with?

924
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 8: We did? It was eighty degrees that day.

925
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: Well, good for you. We're all very very envious.

926
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 8: I really cherished the thought of being here in Florida.

927
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 8: That day more than ever.

928
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: Oh I've had, I've had how long? How long you've

929
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: been in Florida.

930
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 3: Jean about ten eleven years?

931
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 8: Huh?

932
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 3: Originally from where nor Virginia Norfolk? Okay, Uh.

933
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: There's obviously a huge music scene that many of us,

934
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: maybe people don't know about in that in that area,

935
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: in the Tidewater area of Virginia. Is that where you

936
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: got bit by the music bug originally?

937
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 3: Then?

938
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 8: Yep, that was where I first got into it. There's

939
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 8: a lot of talented people who came out of there

940
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 8: at that particular time. All of us made roads to

941
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 8: famous people.

942
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that time it was.

943
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 8: There was a buddy of mine, William Smith old than Smitty,

944
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 8: who got to do a album with Patty Label. Oh wow,

945
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 8: the most popular one that she made. Uh rule Kushevik Oh.

946
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: You're talking about Yeah, you're talking about Lady Marmalade.

947
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 3: So Smitty? Yeah, Smitty was on Lady Marmalade and you

948
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 3: knew Smitty?

949
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 8: Yeah he produced it?

950
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 3: Oh wow wow. Uh.

951
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: So at what age did you decide that music was

952
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 1: going to be your chosen path?

953
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 3: Jean about nineteen Oh?

954
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: Really, because you hear these stories all the time about

955
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: people who you know they got their first guitar at

956
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: seven or nine or twelve.

957
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 3: When did you first start playing? Then?

958
00:56:58,840 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 8: When I was sixteen?

959
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 3: Okay, what what was the inspiration for that?

960
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 8: For some reason, I just liked it and couldn't get

961
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 8: enough of it, played on it in the morning, in

962
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 8: the afternoon and sometimes that night, until I just started

963
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 8: getting better and better and better, and.

964
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 3: So so what what happened at nineteen?

965
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 8: Well, I got a call from a guy who has

966
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 8: been trying to look me up named Matt Robinson, who

967
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 8: was from Newport News, Virginia, and he had heard about

968
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 8: me through a musical group called the Showman who got

969
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 8: a one time hit record at that time called a

970
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 8: rock and.

971
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 3: Roll will Stand.

972
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 8: They got invited to the Apollo Theater. I played with

973
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 8: him there and then when it came back to Norfolk

974
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 8: and nothing. And then then Matt Robinson who had been

975
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 8: looking for me. I don't know how he found out

976
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 8: about me, but he did, and he asked me, would

977
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 8: you consider going on the road with us? I said, yeah,

978
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 8: I'll consider it. Said, well, we just got behind a

979
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 8: new artist who asked us to be his band named

980
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 8: Otis Reddy. What do you think, I said, Well, I

981
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 8: think I'm ready to go.

982
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: Were you familiar with were you familiar with artist Otis

983
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: at that point?

984
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 3: Artist not at all.

985
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 8: Not at all. He had just started on his first record,

986
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 8: hit These Arms of Mind.

987
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And.

988
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 8: We started out just traveling in the South, and then

989
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 8: he got bigger, he made it. He put out another one,

990
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 8: mister Pittifile, I believe, uh.

991
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 3: Huh, yeah, I'm familiar with the track.

992
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 8: And and others. And there was another one. Uh, there's

993
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:17,479
Speaker 8: another one.

994
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: Uh So So anyway, you're you're playing on the road

995
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: with Otis Redding. Are are you in the recording studio

996
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:26,919
Speaker 1: with him too?

997
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 8: No?

998
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 3: No.

999
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 8: The funny story, funny story about that he wanted us

1000
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 8: to do a recording with him, and he took us

1001
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 8: to Memphis, went to Jim Stewart who was the record owner,

1002
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 8: and we did. We did a couple of tracks with him,

1003
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 8: mister Pittifold, and one other one. I don't remember the

1004
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 8: name of it, but uh it came out way better

1005
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 8: than what he thought of would. But he got superstitious

1006
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 8: because he had been using Steve Cropper and Booker T

1007
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 8: and MGS right on all of his of his recordings,

1008
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 8: and even though this one sounded better that we did.

1009
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 8: He wouldn't, he wouldn't jinx it. So he thought he

1010
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 8: thought it might jinx it if he changed his sound

1011
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 8: any little bit at all, So he kept. He did

1012
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 8: another recording of the same song with Booker T and MGS.

1013
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 3: And that's the one he kept and put out on

1014
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 3: the market.

1015
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 8: Right.

1016
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 3: What was what was Otis like on the road?

1017
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: You're you're on the road with him, because you really

1018
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: find out what somebody's like if you're spending consecutive weeks

1019
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: with them away from home. And so did did you

1020
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: have a lot of interaction with him when you're out

1021
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: on the road. What kind of guy was Otis Reddick?

1022
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 8: He was a fun guy. He liked to have fun

1023
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 8: a lot. He uh had a lot going on at

1024
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 8: the time, and it was all coming at him all

1025
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 8: at once. He was you get raveled a little bit

1026
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 8: at a time, But basically he was.

1027
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 3: A fun guy.

1028
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 8: He loved uh. He loved to duke pranks with his

1029
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 8: one of his best buddies that he did shows.

1030
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 3: What was Joe Text? Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm familiar with

1031
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 3: Joe Text, know that name. And Solomon Burke uh huh.

1032
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 8: He loved he loved to play poker with those guys

1033
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 8: and take them money.

1034
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 3: So Otis was a pretty good card player, is what

1035
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 3: you're telling me.

1036
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 8: Yep, it seems that way. It will.

1037
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna I tell you what, if you don't mind,

1038
01:01:58,280 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: We're going to take a little break here. I'm on

1039
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: play a little bit more Otis and we'll come back

1040
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about the other things that you've been

1041
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: involved with in your career.

1042
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 3: Because it didn't end with Otis, right, No, it didn't.

1043
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: All right more with Gene Dale here in a moment

1044
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: I've been loving. We talk about the late great Otis Redding,

1045
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: his time with him, and a long music career stopping

1046
01:02:38,360 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: this is the nightcap on seven hundred w l W.

1047
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: We are talking to Gene Dale, who famously played guitar

1048
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: on the road with Otis Redding.

1049
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 3: That's one of Jean's favorites.

1050
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: And we're playing requests for you now, Jane as Otis

1051
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: and I can't turn you loose on the Nightcap on

1052
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: seven hundred w l W. Jeane, Uh, you're you're telling me,

1053
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: uh during our little break there, that h Otis's death

1054
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: came as quite a shock to you, and and it

1055
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: came quite a shock to everybody in the country, and

1056
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: I think more than anything else, helped elevate sitting on

1057
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: the dock of the Bay to number one. But you

1058
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: had just seen Otis before the plane crash, right, tell

1059
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: me that story.

1060
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 8: Yeah. We uh, we did a show at the Apollo Theater.

1061
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 8: It was a sullout crowd and he he did so well.

1062
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 8: He was going on a tour after that, and I

1063
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 8: talked to him about going with him. And he was

1064
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 8: using the Barcays as his show band because they were

1065
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 8: on the same label, same same recording label, and they

1066
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 8: knew all of his music, and so I was telling him,

1067
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 8: take me with you. He said, well, no, when I

1068
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 8: come back off this tour, we'll get together and we'll

1069
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 8: talk about putting together something. Okay. The next thing I

1070
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 8: knew I was I was playing with a show band

1071
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 8: on the road, done as a warm up back behind

1072
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 8: several artists, and I was listening to the radio in

1073
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 8: the car and it said that Otis's plane had went

1074
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 8: down and Racine, Wisconsin. I was shocked. I was really

1075
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 8: said about it too, because it was such a surprise.

1076
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 8: And I learned more about the crash from one of

1077
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 8: the guys in the barcade. The only guy, well, he

1078
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 8: wasn't the only guy was. It was two guys who survived.

1079
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 8: One one who did not believe in flying, that he

1080
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 8: would touch the train everywhere, so he didn't. He didn't

1081
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 8: show up. But this guy named Ben, who was a

1082
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 8: trumpet player. I ran into him and he told me

1083
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 8: he was the only one who survived on the plane crash,

1084
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 8: and he heard he was He happened to be asleep

1085
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 8: and he had his life preserver under him, and he

1086
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 8: woke up with a big crack, a big bang, and

1087
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 8: he looked at looked around and there was a big

1088
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 8: hole in the wall where the wing had come off,

1089
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 8: and he couldn't swim. So he was really touched by God.

1090
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 8: Make it do that without any harm.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he could.

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01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 8: The guy's crying for help, but he couldn't help him

1093
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 8: because he couldn't even swim for himself.

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01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:26,959
Speaker 3: That was a horrifying story for me at that time. Yeah,

1095
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 3: I bet so you get over the shock.

1096
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever really get over a

1097
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: shock like that with someone you've known so well.

1098
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 3: So what did Jean Dale do after that?

1099
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: You continue with the show band or any other people

1100
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: that you played with you want to mention.

1101
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 8: Well, I doubt if they would be remembered that I

1102
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 8: played with a show band, this guy named Miro Taylor.

1103
01:06:55,880 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 8: We used to be a warm up act who come

1104
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 8: on play for an hour before the name artists who

1105
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 8: the ship around and we did some shows with Bad

1106
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 8: at Night and The Tips and the Fifth Dimension.

1107
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: There these are huge names. Did you did as a

1108
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: show band just opening up?

1109
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 4: Were?

1110
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: Were they like star status and they didn't associate with

1111
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: you guys or did you meet any of them?

1112
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 8: Yeah? We met him, but uh, the guy who was

1113
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 8: the head of the group, Leroy Taylor, he wouldn't accept

1114
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 8: their offer. He didn't think it was enough and we

1115
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 8: ended up losing the connection and I was really upset

1116
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 8: with Leroy. It down and after that, around nineteen seven

1117
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 8: years so I met up. I met Joey Dionardo and

1118
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 8: a club in New York City. He has heard me

1119
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 8: playing with Leroy on a show for the Fifth Dimension.

1120
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Speaker 8: He asked me to join his group, so I did.

1121
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 8: Joey Dionardo is the one who made the song called

1122
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 8: a Peppermint Twist.

1123
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: Oh Joey d in the Star Lighters. Yeah, so you

1124
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: played with Joey D in the Star Lighters.

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01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 8: Yep, for about a month or two months.

1126
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 8: Again, a snowstorm was heading into New York and they

1128
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 8: were leaving to go to Miami and asked me whould

1129
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 8: they go? I said, yeah, of course Miami. He got

1130
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 8: booked at the Newport Lounge for a month and he

1131
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 8: did well, so they booked him for another month. So

1132
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 8: that was a that was a really fun experience because

1133
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 8: Joey Joey D knew all of the big people like

1134
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 8: Frank Sinati Junior and Garry Crosby.

1135
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 3: Did Joey D pay you well? Jean?

1136
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 8: He paid? Yeah, he paid well.

1137
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 3: But what would you make for an average gig back

1138
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 3: in the day?

1139
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 8: Not much compared to today's.

1140
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 3: Oh no, I understand that.

1141
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 1: Just to give a little perspective to people of what

1142
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,600
Speaker 1: a traveling musician makes. Uh, if you're not the headliner

1143
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,480
Speaker 1: and you're not the big name, it's it's just uh,

1144
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: it's pennies on the dollar compared to what you would

1145
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: get paid today if you were playing as a session

1146
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: person or someone in a band like that today, what

1147
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:10,639
Speaker 1: would be your cut of a gig?

1148
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 3: Do you think, oh it would be thousands?

1149
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you never made thousands though, no, unfortunately.

1150
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 8: Maybe a couple of thousand dollars nights, a thousand for

1151
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 8: a gig, you know, one night, Yeah, but not on

1152
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 8: a steady basis, like like it would be nowadays right

1153
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 8: where it would be ten times that much.

1154
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 1: What what was your favorite time with Otis on the road?

1155
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 1: Can you think of one one particular time that was

1156
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 1: just it was a great show and you had a

1157
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: great time afterwards or before? You said he was a

1158
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: prankster and he liked to play cards and stuff. He

1159
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 1: never took any of your money, did he.

1160
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 6: Not?

1161
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 8: Really? No, we had a we had a breakdown. We

1162
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 8: had our own bus and he had a breakdown and

1163
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 8: he was the only one that with enough money to

1164
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 8: get get it fixed on the road. But it was

1165
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 8: pretty pretty expensive to do the repair, and he, uh,

1166
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 8: he put up the money, but then he would take

1167
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 8: it back whenever he felt like it, which would be

1168
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 8: in an opportunity for the rest.

1169
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 3: Of us, no doubt, Regene. It's it's it's been great

1170
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 3: to talk to you.

1171
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry our time's up, though, that's how quickly, that's

1172
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: how quickly it goes by. But I sure do appreciate

1173
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 1: yours and and and I love the stories. What a

1174
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:54,520
Speaker 1: what a magical time that was? Otis Reddick on Yes sometimes.

1175
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 8: What sometime in the future, maybe I'll talk again and

1176
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 8: with you and tell you about a huge, hugely funny

1177
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 8: print that they pulled on the It happens on the roads.

1178
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: Okay, I want I want to hear that we we

1179
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: definitely will make plans to do that. Gene Dale with

1180
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 1: us tonight guitar player at one time for Otis Redding

1181
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,560
Speaker 1: on the night Cap on seven hundred W l W.

1182
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: But my gosh, if you have to be outside, oh

1183
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: a pitt of the food. Gary Jeff with Andy Furman

1184
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 1: starting this hour on seven hundred W l W. I

1185
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,799
Speaker 1: understand that you may have to get a car battery.

1186
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 3: Andy.

1187
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am not in my car as I normally want.

1188
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,839
Speaker 3: To chat to you. But good goodness, that happens.

1189
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 4: I mean, I started it the other day and it

1190
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:43,759
Speaker 4: said that the percentage was down weak, and I started yesterday.

1191
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 4: I started yesterday, but I'm sure it's on his last leg.

1192
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 4: So I'm going to wait for the cold to kind

1193
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 4: of subdue, maybe in a week or so.

1194
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,600
Speaker 3: And then maybe by by April.

1195
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 4: Because if I get one now, I got a new battery.

1196
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 4: Now it'll be ruined again in the cold. So next

1197
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 4: week I've had this one for a while.

1198
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: Next week, in fact, next Monday night, it's Groundhog Day,

1199
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,759
Speaker 1: so we'll be all waiting to see what the fat

1200
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 1: rat in Pennsylvania does when he comes out of his hole.

1201
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, ar, you know one, I'm not coming out of

1202
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 4: my hole.

1203
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 8: Let's just do it.

1204
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 1: It's a nice warm place. Stay in the hole is

1205
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: stay in the hole, Andy. So what's on your mind?

1206
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 3: Brother?

1207
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 4: Well, you know, everybody was talking about the football games

1208
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 4: on Sunday, and rightly, so it was a great day.

1209
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 4: I mean, you're trapped in your house, we're you gonna do?

1210
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 4: You can watch football. And I think there's always been

1211
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 4: a I guess, a comparison, if you will, between Tom

1212
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 4: Brady and Tony Romo doing the games on TV. I mean,

1213
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 4: obviously right in the announcements box, that is, and Tom

1214
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 4: obviously regarded as the golden point. I think there's a

1215
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 4: little bit of a you know, either a plus or

1216
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 4: a minus of people when they say Tom Brady, I

1217
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 4: mean they don't really look at how he does his job.

1218
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 4: They just say I don't like him. He's won too much.

1219
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 4: I do love the dynast why it is, But I've

1220
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 4: got some fox here and tell you who the winner

1221
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 4: was basically on Sunday between Romo and Brady.

1222
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:04,599
Speaker 3: Okay, he was Okay.

1223
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 4: On Sunday. He called the Rams Seahawks game in the

1224
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 4: fourth quarter. Now, when Sean McVay, the Rams coach, had

1225
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 4: fourth down late in the game and he didn't go

1226
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 4: for the field goal, Tom Brady turned to his TV

1227
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 4: partner Kevin Burkhard and he said, what would you do, Kevin?

1228
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,759
Speaker 4: What would you do? No, that's the no. No, Tom,

1229
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 4: tell us what you would do. Okay, tell us what

1230
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 4: you would do. Okay, Now let's move.

1231
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 3: To Tony Romo. Who really?

1232
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 4: I mean, that's my take on it. Now, go move

1233
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 4: to Tony Romo. He called the Broncos pat Patriots game

1234
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,759
Speaker 4: with Jim Nance in the second quarter. When the Broncos

1235
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 4: coach Sean Payton pissed up on a field goal which

1236
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 4: would put Denver up ten nothing, he immediately turned to

1237
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 4: his brother Jim Mans and said, you gotta take the

1238
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 4: field goal, take the points, okay, Aster Brady, Right, okay,

1239
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 4: And that was big. That was a big move on

1240
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 4: Tony Romo's part. Now, Asir Brady, He's not going to

1241
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 4: take a stance. He's not going to make a call.

1242
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 4: Why not, because he's new his second year announcer on TV.

1243
01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 4: Either have it or you don't, so he's not the

1244
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 4: to do that. He's not making the call because he's

1245
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 4: a part owner of the Las Vegas Raiders. That's why

1246
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 4: he's not gonna upset any feathers or roughle any feathers

1247
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 4: over there. But on Sunday the winner was in my mind,

1248
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 4: Tony Romo did time and I enjoyed listening to Tony Romo.

1249
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 3: I like him.

1250
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 4: More often than not, he tells you before here, what's

1251
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 4: gonna happen? You know these announced him. Oh, I know

1252
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 4: he's gonna do that. He'll be wrong now and again,

1253
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 4: but more often than not, he's gonna tell you what's

1254
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:25,719
Speaker 4: gonna happen.

1255
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 3: I really enjoy Tony Romo.

1256
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: You highlight something that a lot of people tend to

1257
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 1: forget sometimes. Andy, is it the NFL ownership? What is

1258
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 1: that noise? What is that noise?

1259
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 8: Really?

1260
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 3: Yeah? What is that noise? So much trying to sneak in?

1261
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 1: I don't know, But anyway, but the NFL owners group

1262
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 1: is a it's a club, and once you become a

1263
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: member of that club, you cannot be impartial, you cannot

1264
01:15:56,160 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 1: be objective. And you just brought to up that Tom

1265
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,640
Speaker 1: Brady is a part owner of the Raiders now, and

1266
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to upset anybody else in that little

1267
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 1: little thirty member club of the NFL owners.

1268
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 4: Upsetting people. You don't think that's an advantage. Every single

1269
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,799
Speaker 4: week he's out there looking at games and watching games,

1270
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 4: and he has in his mind who the eventual free

1271
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 4: agents might be for his Las Vegas Raiders team.

1272
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:25,599
Speaker 8: He knows.

1273
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 3: I mean, you're citing, you're citing as serious.

1274
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,600
Speaker 1: You're citing a serious conflict of interest, which does not

1275
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: allow him to be an impartial broadcaster. It does not

1276
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: allow him to accurately, you know, portray the events that

1277
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: he is supposed to be calling as a commentator. They

1278
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 1: should have kicked him off the second that he invested.

1279
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 4: I don't you know.

1280
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: I didn't hear Michael Jordan doing commentary during NBA games

1281
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: when he became a part owner of Charlotte, did you

1282
01:16:58,720 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: I didn't know.

1283
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 4: But he is the deal, the money factor. The TV rules,

1284
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 4: TV rules, you know that, And the TV people say, look,

1285
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 4: here's our guy. He's gonna be our guy. You guys

1286
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,600
Speaker 4: get a chunk of our change. And this is the

1287
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 4: way it's going to be. End the story. And you

1288
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 4: know the job of Roger Goodell. He works at the

1289
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 4: pleasure of the owners, and he's gonna make the owners happy.

1290
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 4: And he has made the owners very happy. You may

1291
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 4: not like what he does. He may don't like airtind

1292
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 4: guests that he brings in. You may like the stupid

1293
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 4: sayings he has critics in the end zone. I mean,

1294
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 4: you know, we're all one, let's do this. I the

1295
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:34,679
Speaker 4: about I hate it because it's a hypocritical garbage because

1296
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 4: you know, for example, you know I got a story here.

1297
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 4: Let me move on to the next one. Because the

1298
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 4: Green Bay Pack is offensive. Tackled Rashid Walker. He was

1299
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 4: arrested last Friday at Laguardian Airport in New York City

1300
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 4: for a legal possession of a weapon. Okay, let me

1301
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 4: ask you this. I mean, obviously, this is the dumbest

1302
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 4: thing I've ever heard of. Would you go on a

1303
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 4: plane with a weapon? Okay, My partner on Fox Sports

1304
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 4: Radio is Bucky Brooks. I said, Buck, I said, you

1305
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Speaker 4: played football in the National Football League, five years. Have

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01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 4: you ever taken a gun on a plane? No, why

1307
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 4: would you take a gun on a plane? You know?

1308
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 4: His excuse was, I get it, he said, well, sometimes

1309
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 4: you pack it in your bag by mistake. Really, why

1310
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 4: why would you pack it in your bag? Why would

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01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 4: you even take it? I mean, people, don't you read

1312
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 4: these stories and you see these stories and you just

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01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 4: pass over them. No one questions it. Why would Rashid

1314
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 4: Walker take a gun on a plane?

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01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 3: For what reason?

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01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:29,600
Speaker 4: I don't understand it.

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Speaker 1: Tell me, unless you're a federal air marshal, there's absolutely

1318
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,599
Speaker 1: no reason for you to be traveling with a gun

1319
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: on a plane unless you have put it in some

1320
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 1: kind of undercarriage or whatever, and you've checked it there

1321
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 1: with TSA. It's not with you on your person as

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01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 1: you're sitting down in your seat. I mean, there are

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01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: ways you can carry a weapon on a plane, but

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Speaker 1: it's not on your person while you were actually on

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Speaker 1: the flight, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: And this way, first, it was so loaded. It was

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01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 4: a nine million me the glock pistol in his luggage

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Speaker 4: and by the way, and lack the valid New York license.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, okay, so he didn't have a purpose. I see.

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Speaker 1: I'm a strong Second Amendment guy, so I think all

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01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 1: the permits and licenses are way out of whack. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: let's forget about that on a plane, I can see

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01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 1: zero reason to be carrying a weapon loaded or unloaded,

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01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 1: licensed or unlicensed, dandy. I don't know why you would,

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01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: like I said, federal air mark.

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01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 4: Is it like one of those things like do you

1337
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,879
Speaker 4: know who I am? I played for the Green Bay Packers.

1338
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 4: I mean, is that the deal? Why they do that?

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01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I can understand. I understand you have to

1340
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 4: right to carry a weapon, and I understand that there

1341
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 4: are certain athletes that you may want to carry a weapon.

1342
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 4: I mean, if I'm Michael Jordan during his playing days,

1343
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 4: maybe not so much. Now, maybe I would carry a weapon.

1344
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 4: I'll have a bodyguard with me because there's some crazies

1345
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 4: out there. He could be in the restaurant eating lunch

1346
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 4: and guy come right into his face, and he.

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01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 1: Could be he could be he could be one of

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01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: those high stakes card games he was famous for. More

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01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 1: likely a reason for him to be carrying the weapon.

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Speaker 3: I get that.

1351
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 4: Other than that, I don't understand why you're carrying a weapon. No, No,

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01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 4: this guy Rashid Walker was on his own. He was

1353
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 4: not with the team. But you know, I would assume

1354
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 4: there are some guys that you can get a gun

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01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:18,719
Speaker 4: on a plane with a team because the team buys

1356
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 4: private charter, and I think that.

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Speaker 1: Is totally It's a totally different ball game if you're

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01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 1: on a private charter that you're paying or as opposed

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01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:32,480
Speaker 1: to a commercial airliner.

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Speaker 3: But the only ball I've been.

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Speaker 4: On a couple of teams private charters and they go

1362
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 4: right on the tarmac. They don't even go through the

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01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 4: wedding lines or anything, you know, So it's a whole

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01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 4: different ball game. That's what another one. I just don't

1365
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 4: understand that these guys think that they're bigger than life.

1366
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 4: I watched the games. I enjoy the games. You know,

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01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 4: there's a bit of a question walk now hanging over

1368
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 4: with the gambling aspect. But you know that's neither end

1369
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 4: or they hopefully I'm just thinking too much. But I

1370
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 4: will tell you this was the one thing I really dislike.

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01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 4: When a team is down by about three touchdowns or

1372
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 4: three minutes to go and some guy catches the ball

1373
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 4: as the first time he starts pointing with his hand.

1374
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 4: I mean, really, I mean, come on, you're a team player.

1375
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 4: You're losing. You're gonna lose the game. The season is

1376
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 4: over for you, you know, I mean.

1377
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Speaker 3: You know what I loved.

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01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 1: It's a difference between NFL and college, and it's the

1379
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 1: difference is becoming less and less since now the college

1380
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 1: players are being paid and they don't have they they've

1381
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 1: got general managers instead of athletic directors at these colleges

1382
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 1: with the nil and the transferred portal and all the

1383
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,799
Speaker 1: money changing hands now. But the difference between the NFL

1384
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 1: and college and just exactly what you said. You make

1385
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: a tackle, you make a sack, you make an interception,

1386
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 1: you score a touchdown, you score a first down, and

1387
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're doing your happy dance, all

1388
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:53,600
Speaker 1: that garbage. What I loved most about watching the Indiana

1389
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 1: Hoosiers as they went undefeated to that national championship is

1390
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 1: because almost to a play, on almost every positive play,

1391
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 1: when the play was over, the player threw the ball

1392
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: to the referee or just laid the ball down, there

1393
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:14,679
Speaker 1: was no celebration because Kurt Signetti designated that his players

1394
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 1: behave that when they did something positive. Don't overreact, don't

1395
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 1: react to it because you're supposed to do that, and

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01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 1: that's what's been forgotten in the NFL. Barry Sanders was

1397
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: a great example of that. When he was leading the

1398
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: world in rushing as a player in the NFL, there

1399
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 1: were no celebrations because his father told him, listen, don't

1400
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 1: act a fool just because you did what you were

1401
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 1: supposed to do.

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01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 3: Barry.

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01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:44,799
Speaker 1: But these NFL players, it is all about social media.

1404
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:48,759
Speaker 1: It's all about the likes and the clicks. It's all

1405
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 1: about you know, I don't know what it's about. It's

1406
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,839
Speaker 1: about narcissism. Mostly.

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01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 4: Well, I saw in the game on Sunday some guy

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01:22:58,240 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 4: got through out of the game where I was supposed

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01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 4: to like content celebrations. And you know what, honestly, part

1410
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 4: of that problem is on the coach, because I think

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01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 4: these coaches right now are a great I really you know,

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01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 4: Kurt Signitty will not take that garbage, you know, or

1413
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 4: sewn Sean McDermott who was coaching Buffalo, he wouldn't take

1414
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 4: that garbage. Dan Campbell and Detroit.

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01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 3: Wouldn't do it.

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01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick would not do it. There are a certain teams.

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01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 4: Sean Payton, it doesn't happen on his team. I mean,

1418
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 4: so the coach lays down the law, that's what they do,

1419
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 4: and somebody these coaches just real light loose and easy

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01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 4: and they get away with it.

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01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 8: You know.

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01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 4: You talk about what's going on in college athletics right now,

1423
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 4: what about that quarterback of Duke Garian Menzer. Okay, he

1424
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 4: was in Duke got some money. Now he wants to

1425
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:39,719
Speaker 4: leave and he's going to leave to University of Miami

1426
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 4: of Florida to play quarterback. And Dukes suit him. Okay

1427
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 4: because he quote signed the contract. Okay, they settled that today,

1428
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:48,799
Speaker 4: they still that today. He's going to transfer to Miami.

1429
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 4: And I'm saying to myself, these are no longer student athletes.

1430
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:57,440
Speaker 4: These are prosy. They've lost the value of I guess

1431
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 4: being an athlete and playing and the level that is

1432
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 4: not professor. These are professional guys. They're pros. And I

1433
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 4: don't even know what's going on as far as transfer rules.

1434
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 4: And John Kella Perry went crazy the other day and

1435
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 4: I loved it. He said he should only transfer one

1436
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 4: time and that's it. There's a guy in the Miami

1437
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,719
Speaker 4: of Florida. It's coming back next year. Linebacker his eighth

1438
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 4: year of college athletics.

1439
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 3: How does that happen? How does that happen?

1440
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 4: Because the transfer portal and also during COVID, the whole

1441
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 4: deal and the red shirt.

1442
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 3: COVID really screwed.

1443
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 1: COVID really screwed up co COVID really screwed that up.

1444
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 4: And you screwed it up because I continued the way

1445
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 4: they used to do it, missed the COVID year, giving

1446
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 4: that one extra year.

1447
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: And that's it, right exactly, Why do you get an

1448
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 1: extra two years or three years? Carson back was what

1449
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 1: in his sixth seasons as.

1450
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 3: He quarterback Miami.

1451
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 4: I laughed at it. I still love athletics, I still

1452
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 4: watch it. I just don't understand how people administrators could

1453
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 4: be so stupid unless the money has been so big,

1454
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 4: so big of a deal, and and the argument that

1455
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:06,640
Speaker 4: I get, Like I talked about this Sunday with MI

1456
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 4: guy Bucky. You know, the players, the players don't get

1457
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 4: they weren't getting paid. And if coaches could move, you know,

1458
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:15,600
Speaker 4: why can't the players? Well, the players can move, and

1459
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 4: I know its could move, but they had to sit

1460
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 4: out a year.

1461
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 3: Players don't believe believe me.

1462
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 1: I know the players and players were getting paid at

1463
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 1: the big universities.

1464
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:27,520
Speaker 3: Now, what's happening.

1465
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 4: Over the right exactly?

1466
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 3: I wanted to.

1467
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 4: Think, Okay, don't put players in the same category as coaches.

1468
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 4: Coaches to me are like teachers and professors of colleges.

1469
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 4: You know, a chemistry could professor could move from Xavier

1470
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 4: to UC.

1471
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 3: They could move.

1472
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 4: Okay, the coaches could move. It's okay. Players, you want

1473
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 4: to move, that's fine, but you're going to lose credit

1474
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 4: hours and also more than that, basically you're gonna have

1475
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 4: to sit out a year.

1476
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 1: So uh, I would say that you were mostly right

1477
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 1: on that. I wanted to a touch on something real else,

1478
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 1: real that I just noticed this weekend as I was

1479
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 1: watching the two games Andy, and it was okay, So

1480
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 1: it's New England and Seattle. New England has the history

1481
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 1: of you know, the Gronks talking about another dynasty with

1482
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 1: the Patriots and all of that nonsense, and Seattle not

1483
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 1: exactly America's teams necessarily, but it won't matter in the

1484
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: Super Bowl.

1485
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 3: And this is how the NFL is.

1486
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: This is how the NFL is different than the other

1487
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 1: major sports in this country. Different in Major League Baseball

1488
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 1: in the World Series, different than the NBA and their

1489
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 1: Championship different than the NHL. Number one, it's just one game.

1490
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 1: But number two, it's the NFL. People will watch. If

1491
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 1: it was Carolina and Arizona in the Super Bowl, the

1492
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 1: ratings would not suffer because it's a party and it

1493
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 1: is unlike any other sporting event in this country, in

1494
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: the world, and so it really doesn't matter. It doesn't

1495
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 1: matter if it's a small market club or a big

1496
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 1: market club because of the revenue sharing that's in the

1497
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 1: NFL and all of those other things. But you know,

1498
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: in the other sports, you're like, oh man, if it's

1499
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and Boston, boy, the ratings are going to

1500
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 1: be through the roof. But if it's Minnesota against Memphis,

1501
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 1: now nobody's gonna watch. And that's part that's mostly true.

1502
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 4: And well, there's several reasons for that number one. Number

1503
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 4: The major reason is obviously I always said less. It's

1504
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 4: more when you play seventeen games, every game meets so much.

1505
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 4: You play one hundred and sixty two ball games. I

1506
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 4: mean you go in April and you still go back

1507
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 4: and all. Because that's number one. Number two, I think

1508
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 4: the fact that the NFL is a national sport as

1509
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:52,679
Speaker 4: opposed to baseball and basketball NBA that is their regional sports.

1510
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 4: And if you realize that if you watched eleven o'clock

1511
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 4: news here on since down ther TV don't have to

1512
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 4: give you NBA scores, No, they'll give NHL scores.

1513
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 3: For the NFL.

1514
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 4: Even in non NFL cities still get scores. Part of

1515
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 4: that reason goes to another is the fact that you're

1516
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 4: gonna laught. But fantasy football, It's unbelievable. Fantasy football created

1517
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 4: such an interest of even non football fans at the

1518
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 4: time because you know the names of the players, and

1519
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 4: that's the key. And if baseball or hockey or basketball

1520
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 4: could get involved with something like that and it's somewhat legal,

1521
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:25,640
Speaker 4: maybe feel like a McDonald's where every week you go

1522
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 4: to a McDonald's or Wendy's and you get a card

1523
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:29,640
Speaker 4: and you pick out some of the players that you

1524
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 4: know and fill it out and you win something. That's

1525
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 4: how fans know and how I know that. I've gone

1526
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 4: to the Bengal game sometimes and I sit in the

1527
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 4: stands and a visiting player would rush for like, you know,

1528
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,839
Speaker 4: thirty five yards of the carry and they start clapping

1529
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 4: and I tell her, what are you doing? I mean

1530
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 4: it's not the bangal. Yeah, but I got them my

1531
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 4: fantasy team. See, people know names, even non football big

1532
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 4: time fans know the names. And it's traveled over now

1533
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 4: to the gambling, the real type gambling that you could

1534
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 4: do on your phone. Perfect game for gambling and the

1535
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 4: perfect game for team. That's basically what it is. Because

1536
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 4: I'll tell you why. It's the NFL, not just football.

1537
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 4: It is the NFL at college football. They are one

1538
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 4: in one a popularity in our country. Right now, they're

1539
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 4: gonna have the spring football. No one cares. No, you

1540
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:13,759
Speaker 4: don't know the names, they're not sold.

1541
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 1: No, that's that's a travesty. The UFL is a tragedy anyway.

1542
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 1: And why would I have laughed at that explanation? It

1543
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,639
Speaker 1: made perfect sense and it wasn't funny, So I won't laugh.

1544
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: Be funny for him and I'll laugh. I'll laugh. It's

1545
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:30,839
Speaker 1: right out of the segment.

1546
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:32,760
Speaker 4: There's nothing funny about this weather.

1547
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 1: Really, there's not. This is this is the first time

1548
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: you like it. You haven't been funny in like in

1549
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:40,200
Speaker 1: seventeen and a half minutes.

1550
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 3: What's wrong with you?

1551
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 4: I was funny last week with you?

1552
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 1: You know, well, you thought you weren't, and I didn't

1553
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 1: laugh because I was. Yeah, I was just trying to

1554
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 1: make you feel better about it.

1555
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 4: But the problem is with me. People laugh at me

1556
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 4: all the time. But I don't know because I'm funny

1557
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 4: to them. They just laugh at me funny, funny looking. Well,

1558
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 4: remember the things I say a funny and the stupid.

1559
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 4: Maybe that's what I don't know.

1560
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 3: Do I dress funny?

1561
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 4: But I don't care?

1562
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 3: Do I say funny things? What's funny about me? All right?

1563
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 1: All right, Andy, thank you so much. Our time has

1564
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 1: done and I really appreciate yours. Stay warm in your

1565
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 1: little cocoon, and good luck with your car battery the

1566
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:24,600
Speaker 1: fur ball on the nightcap on seven hundred WLW.

1567
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 3: There's more ahead.

1568
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 1: Of sports for the Out of Sorts, concluding with the

1569
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 1: sports Commando himself, the billboard Sitter, the ultimate Bengals and

1570
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: Reds fan, and he still loves Pete Rose wild Man

1571
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 1: Walker joining us for a few minutes. Wild Man, how

1572
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 1: are you surviving the Arctic blast and Snowmageddon?

1573
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 3: Oh?

1574
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 5: I've been hunkered down since Friday night after the my

1575
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:57,799
Speaker 5: basketball game with Indian Hill, and I have plenty of essentials.

1576
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:02,759
Speaker 5: I have the necessary things to get good bye food, water, bread, eggs,

1577
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 5: and a lot of toilet paper. I've been doing fine.

1578
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got I got a report from wild Man.

1579
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:10,040
Speaker 1: We were talking about doing this tonight and he said,

1580
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:14,680
Speaker 1: I don't have to go anywhere till Wednesday. Said your

1581
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 1: neighbor was going to help you. He said, I am

1582
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,719
Speaker 1: good on bread, food, water, eggs, and poop paper.

1583
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:21,679
Speaker 3: Full report.

1584
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 5: So thank you. Here you go, thank you for letting

1585
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 5: me know the essentials of life.

1586
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 1: Well, it's not like it's not I mean, unless it

1587
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 1: was a dire emergency, it's not like I was getting

1588
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 1: out of the house anytime this weekend. I tried my best.

1589
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:39,040
Speaker 1: After I bunkered down about I don't know, five o'clock

1590
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon, just as the first flurries, we're fleaking down.

1591
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 3: I said, okay, that's it.

1592
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 1: I have everything that I need and my wife needs

1593
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:50,679
Speaker 1: and my cat needs.

1594
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 3: We're good.

1595
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: We're not going anywhere on Sunday and maybe not Monday.

1596
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:58,320
Speaker 1: And here we are on Tuesday, and I'm in the

1597
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 1: unfrozen tundra of the ca and Wood Studios talking to you.

1598
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 3: Now.

1599
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's getting a lot better. The road, my main

1600
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 5: my main road here in front of the house is

1601
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:08,680
Speaker 5: in real, really good shape here. I just got to

1602
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 5: get dug out. My neighbor's coming over later to dig

1603
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 5: me out. The we got through this. I mean, it's

1604
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 5: a pain, and it's a pain in the butt. I

1605
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 5: you know, I hate snow. I don't mind cold weather.

1606
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 8: I could care less about cold weather.

1607
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 5: I'm outside, maybe you know, a minute or two to

1608
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 5: go to my car. But the snow just screws up everything.

1609
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 3: It just does.

1610
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 5: It's just, you know, that's something God should have never

1611
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:30,679
Speaker 5: given the human race.

1612
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 1: Well, no, I think that. I think that snow's fine.

1613
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:37,720
Speaker 1: I don't like the cold. I'm exactly the opposite of you,

1614
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 1: man that you are you really yeah. I mean it

1615
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 1: could be snowing, and it can be thirty degrees and that's.

1616
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:44,559
Speaker 3: Fine with me.

1617
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:50,719
Speaker 1: But the snow and then this is zero and minus

1618
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 1: zero temperatures for like a week. It's like every day's

1619
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 1: the freezer bowl. Wild man. Come on, I don't like.

1620
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:01,640
Speaker 5: Well, then you dress for it, you know. I mean

1621
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 5: when I go out, when I go out tomorrow, I'll

1622
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:06,879
Speaker 5: dress for it. I mean, I'll still wear my shorts,

1623
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 5: because I wear shorts here round, but I'll be covered,

1624
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:11,559
Speaker 5: you know, I'll be seeing layers and I'll have my

1625
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 5: head covered, which is the most important part. Some of

1626
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 5: these dumb people don't cover their heads, and that's where

1627
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 5: you lose the heat.

1628
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 1: Well, you've got to protect your money maker, and that's right.

1629
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 1: All the all the heat drains out of your body

1630
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 1: from the top of your head. But the shorts thing,

1631
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 1: I don't get you guys either. I've got a neighbor

1632
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 1: who well he's the son of my neighbor Judy, who

1633
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:35,679
Speaker 1: lives on right across the street, and he is out

1634
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 1: in shorts almost every day of the year too. And

1635
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 1: I asked him about he said, it really doesn't bother me.

1636
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:44,639
Speaker 1: Now you maybe go he may be covered up from

1637
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 1: head to his waist, but after that, the shorts, no

1638
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 1: big deal.

1639
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 5: Well, a lot a lot of my my theory is

1640
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 5: all the years that I worked at the cyclones, being

1641
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 5: down on the ice, at the gardens, being down on

1642
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,800
Speaker 5: the ice at the whatever the place is called now,

1643
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 5: and then my son playing hockey all those years. You know,

1644
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:05,040
Speaker 5: I'm used to it because I went to the game

1645
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 5: and shorts, but I always had like, you know, one

1646
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 5: one shirt, a sweatshirt or whatever, my and my cap

1647
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 5: and I was fine. I'm still and I good bye.

1648
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 5: I survived.

1649
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 1: What about guys going bear shirted at football games in

1650
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:18,679
Speaker 1: this kind.

1651
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 5: Of that's just ignorant, That's just stupid. Okay, I'm glad

1652
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 5: that you all right. That's just that's your whiskey talking.

1653
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 1: One one of the other things that wild Man reported

1654
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 1: in the textas Wes Miller has to go after watching

1655
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 1: the UC debacle on the road to Arizona State. That's

1656
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:43,240
Speaker 1: two losses in a row on the road, and uh

1657
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 1: an Arizona State team that came into that game. I

1658
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 1: talked to my oegar. They they're they're not very good

1659
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:52,080
Speaker 1: at all, and you see, just looked lifeless, like they

1660
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:53,479
Speaker 1: weren't listening to their head coach.

1661
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 3: Is that what you saw, wild Man or.

1662
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 5: What I'm convinced that Dave tuned him out. I mean,

1663
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 5: you know, they'll listen sometimes, but as the game went on,

1664
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 5: it was just, you know, they were just playing street

1665
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 5: ball and we and UC doesn't have a three point shooter.

1666
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:09,679
Speaker 5: If you're going to recruit anybody, you've got to recruit

1667
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 5: a three point shooter, and they have nobody day Dave

1668
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 5: Thomas had zero points. He's been averaging double figures. How

1669
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 5: does day Dave Thomas have zero points? And to me,

1670
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:23,120
Speaker 5: I'm just watching this. Wes Miller's had five years. This

1671
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 5: is his fifth year. The Bearcats have yet to make

1672
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 5: the NC double A turning. They've got to make a

1673
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 5: change at the end of the year. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

1674
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't like to get into I don't

1675
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:34,920
Speaker 5: like to call for coaches firings. And I'm really, in

1676
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:37,400
Speaker 5: my thirty plus years of being on the radio, I've

1677
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 5: never called for one coach ever to get fired or

1678
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:44,240
Speaker 5: to be replaced. I've suggested it, but in Wes Miller's case,

1679
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:45,639
Speaker 5: he has to go.

1680
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 3: You'll make an exception. In Wes Miller's case is what

1681
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 3: you're saying.

1682
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:52,080
Speaker 5: Well, the words a and the words a loop panela.

1683
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 5: I've seen enough, i mean five years. In this game

1684
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 5: against Arizona State, they looked listless. They were in it

1685
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:01,160
Speaker 5: for a little bit, and they're letting these guys get

1686
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:03,680
Speaker 5: wide open and shoot three pointers and just and then

1687
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:06,640
Speaker 5: Barricats decided they're going to throw up three pointers. And

1688
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:09,599
Speaker 5: then when you can't shoot three pointers and you decide

1689
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:12,400
Speaker 5: to throw them up, that's the Hell's come on? That

1690
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:13,599
Speaker 5: just tells me they don't care.

1691
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 3: They don't care.

1692
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:15,639
Speaker 5: They've tuned out the coach.

1693
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:17,559
Speaker 1: Either they've tuned them out or there's just a lack

1694
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 1: of direction in general from the guy who's supposed to

1695
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 1: be leading these young men. Absolutely, maybe maybe he just

1696
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:30,679
Speaker 1: needs some change of scenery like Travis Steele. Imagine Travis

1697
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 1: Steele when he was here in town, was basically run

1698
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 1: out on a rail.

1699
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:39,120
Speaker 3: And look what he's done at Miami. Pretty amazing.

1700
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 5: Travis Steele too, if you look at the situation when

1701
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:45,479
Speaker 5: he went to Miami, he was given complete control. He said,

1702
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 5: I've got to have control. I've got to have control.

1703
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:48,519
Speaker 8: Of the team.

1704
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 5: I've got to, you know, to be in charge of everything.

1705
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 5: And they gave it to him and he said it'll

1706
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,640
Speaker 5: take time. And after two years, look where they're at.

1707
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:58,559
Speaker 5: It's a great, great story. And right now, I mean,

1708
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:01,639
Speaker 5: he's king in Miami. You can remain king there.

1709
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, if he wants to stay as long as

1710
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 1: they continue that train, good, good for him. I'm happy

1711
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,640
Speaker 1: for him. But you know, this brings into mind a

1712
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:18,600
Speaker 1: greater question, wild Man. It's been since nineteen ninety that

1713
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:23,560
Speaker 1: this town saw a championship where the Reds won it

1714
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 1: all that year, the Wire to wire year. So it's

1715
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 1: been thirty six years now that we've turned the calendar

1716
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty six and the fates of the Bearcats,

1717
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:45,559
Speaker 1: the Musketeers, the Reds, the Bengals, Cincinnati FC. Cincinnati has

1718
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 1: at least aspired to come close to a championship. I mean,

1719
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:52,400
Speaker 1: they made the playoffs and they had a great season

1720
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:57,840
Speaker 1: just concluded last year in Major League soccer. But that's

1721
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 1: that's about the only example of x we're seeing from

1722
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:02,639
Speaker 1: Cincinnati sports teams.

1723
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:06,799
Speaker 3: Do you think the town is jinxed? Because I wonder

1724
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:08,240
Speaker 3: sometime I don't believe.

1725
01:38:08,479 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 5: I don't believe in jings, but that I just want

1726
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 5: to point out that we did have two championships with

1727
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:17,640
Speaker 5: the Cyclones. Now, granted is my minor league hockey, and

1728
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 5: to win a championship at any level, Gary Jeff, you know,

1729
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,760
Speaker 5: and I know that's a hard road. That's a hard

1730
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 5: road to do, and the Cyclones did it and two

1731
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 5: out of three, two out of three years, I believe.

1732
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:30,600
Speaker 5: So we do have those championships. But when you go

1733
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:32,880
Speaker 5: back to the major teams, you know, there's just been

1734
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 5: a lot of things that that didn't go right. For

1735
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:38,400
Speaker 5: the for the Reds or or the Bengals, or or

1736
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 5: FC Cincinnati or U See. And two things that just

1737
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:43,080
Speaker 5: haven't gone our way. I mean, go back to the

1738
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:46,480
Speaker 5: Kenyon Martin situation. I mean they would have won the championship.

1739
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 3: Broke his leg in the conference tournament.

1740
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:54,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, present, we would have won the championship hands down,

1741
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:55,200
Speaker 5: without a doubt.

1742
01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 1: But if if if but but but doesn't cut it

1743
01:38:58,360 --> 01:39:01,000
Speaker 1: in the final analysis.

1744
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't.

1745
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:02,639
Speaker 8: Know it doesn't.

1746
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 5: And you can point to a lot of things the

1747
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:08,800
Speaker 5: Reds have done that have been just stupid. You can

1748
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:10,639
Speaker 5: pourt a lot of things and the Bengals have done

1749
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 5: which is stupid and which is also led to why

1750
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:14,839
Speaker 5: they haven't won anything.

1751
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:18,360
Speaker 1: Okay, give me some examples of things that they have

1752
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 1: done that are stupid, just playing stupid the Bengals that

1753
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:26,120
Speaker 1: have kept them from uh getting to the highest pinnacle

1754
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 1: in their sport.

1755
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:31,000
Speaker 5: Well and free agency not getting the guys that they

1756
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 5: really need or just bad free agent signings. Either they

1757
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:37,439
Speaker 5: got bad advice, they didn't do their scouting right. And

1758
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 5: I'll also they calling by by Zach Taylor and the

1759
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 5: last Super Bowl. I'll go back to the very first

1760
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 5: drive and this kind of good. I want to make

1761
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 5: an exception, make an example of what what that dumb

1762
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:52,680
Speaker 5: coach did for for Denver. You're down on the ten

1763
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:56,800
Speaker 5: yard line, okay, for Denver. The weather's starting to turn bad.

1764
01:39:57,080 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 5: You're already up seven to nothing. Uh, they've got a

1765
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 5: rookie order back in there. You have Boat nickses in there.

1766
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:04,679
Speaker 5: You might go forward on fourths and one. You take

1767
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:08,120
Speaker 5: the points. It's a championship game. You take the points.

1768
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:08,679
Speaker 8: He doesn't.

1769
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:11,839
Speaker 5: They try to get cute, they get they get stopped whatever,

1770
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:14,320
Speaker 5: and the Bengals and the Bengals Super Bowl, Gary, Jeff,

1771
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:16,599
Speaker 5: I mean run this by you. In the first quarter,

1772
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:18,640
Speaker 5: the Bengals had the ball and they were at the

1773
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:21,759
Speaker 5: fifty yard line, the fifty yard line and at fourths

1774
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:23,960
Speaker 5: and one, as Zach Taylor tries to be cute, and

1775
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 5: a championship game, you gotta play. You gotta play football.

1776
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:30,200
Speaker 5: You gotta be thinking smart, you gotta play field position.

1777
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:32,600
Speaker 5: You put the ball. What do they do? They go

1778
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 5: forward on fourth and one. They didn't even come close.

1779
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:37,479
Speaker 5: The Rams stopped And what the Rams do? They went

1780
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 5: right down the field and scored a touchdown. Game short

1781
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:44,080
Speaker 5: field and a championship game. You don't do that kind

1782
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:47,559
Speaker 5: of stupid stuff. Zach Taylor got burned and the coach

1783
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:48,679
Speaker 5: from Denver got burned.

1784
01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:53,599
Speaker 1: FOYI Stidham is not a rookie. He's just a career backup.

1785
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:56,320
Speaker 5: Well yeah, have a career backup. Yeah whatever, I mean,

1786
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:57,760
Speaker 5: you don't put you don't put that in the hands

1787
01:40:57,800 --> 01:40:59,519
Speaker 5: of a guy like that. And he didn't take any

1788
01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:03,200
Speaker 5: snaps all year. Come on, man, you take the points,

1789
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 5: you take the point.

1790
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 1: I agree. I'm not arguing with you. I just just

1791
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 1: wanted to clarify a couple of things. What stupid things

1792
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:14,320
Speaker 1: have the Reds done. They've kept them from winning at all, wild.

1793
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:16,479
Speaker 5: Man, we don't have enough time for that. Just to

1794
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 5: say I'm not happy.

1795
01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 3: I got plenty of time. I got another four minutes.

1796
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:26,599
Speaker 9: Well, well, one of them, and I know people are

1797
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 9: going to disagree with me, was one of them was

1798
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:31,240
Speaker 9: hiring Dusty Baker because the guy could never get could

1799
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:33,800
Speaker 9: never he could get you there, but he you know,

1800
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:34,439
Speaker 9: when he got.

1801
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:36,800
Speaker 5: To the playoffs, he always choked. And he finally did

1802
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 5: win one with the Astros. But we don't want to

1803
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 5: go go into that because that was kind of kind

1804
01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 5: of kind of tainted when you think about that. But

1805
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:46,000
Speaker 5: with the Reds, I mean, he was a good manager.

1806
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:48,640
Speaker 5: He could get you there, but he would choke. He

1807
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:51,240
Speaker 5: would choke in the in the playoffs. And they've had

1808
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 5: some bad free agent signings to just some really bad

1809
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:57,679
Speaker 5: you know that that that Yokamara or what Akamara whatever,

1810
01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:01,040
Speaker 5: that Japanese guy that they signed, Yeah, of course, Contonelario.

1811
01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:04,240
Speaker 5: Just some dumb, stupid signings that they've had down there,

1812
01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:07,759
Speaker 5: and it just doesn't make any It just drives you crazy,

1813
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 5: it really does. Well, we've got to know what the

1814
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:11,360
Speaker 5: hell they're going to do now, because they need a

1815
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:13,559
Speaker 5: power hitter and they're einting many power hitters out there.

1816
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:17,080
Speaker 1: No, no, they they had a shot at uh At Erzer,

1817
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:19,439
Speaker 1: but uh or what's what's.

1818
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 6: His name, Schwarber.

1819
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, here's the here's the thing, Gary Jai was Swarber.

1820
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:25,759
Speaker 5: If they had all that money and they were willing

1821
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:28,920
Speaker 5: to commit that to Swarbur, why are they committed to

1822
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:29,800
Speaker 5: to somebody else?

1823
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1824
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:32,920
Speaker 5: I well, you know what that tells me. They're just

1825
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:35,639
Speaker 5: full of crap. They had. It was just a smoke

1826
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 5: screen to get the fans all excited. They maybe sell

1827
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:40,160
Speaker 5: some tickets and advance.

1828
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 1: So you saw the games this weekend, and you mentioned

1829
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:47,160
Speaker 1: Denver not kicking the field goal when they had a

1830
01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:50,160
Speaker 1: chance to score more points there and then turns out

1831
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:53,639
Speaker 1: that ten points is going to win that game because

1832
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 1: there was a zero offense in the second half from

1833
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 1: either the Patriots or the Broncos.

1834
01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:03,680
Speaker 3: So I mean, what was your overall overall?

1835
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 1: How did the England Does the New England Patriots stack

1836
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:09,240
Speaker 1: up against Seattle?

1837
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 3: I don't think the Patriots.

1838
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:14,920
Speaker 5: The Patriots have allowed the fewest points this season. This

1839
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:17,719
Speaker 5: is a rematch, I believe of fifty Super Bowl fifty

1840
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:21,479
Speaker 5: when that stupid Pete Carroll decided to get shoot like

1841
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:25,000
Speaker 5: Zach Taylor and Sean Payton and try to throw a

1842
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 5: pass and they and of course they got intercepted and

1843
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:31,040
Speaker 5: the game was over and the Patriots won. It's a

1844
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:35,200
Speaker 5: rematch totally different people, new coaches, different players. But the

1845
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:38,400
Speaker 5: Patriots have given up the fewest points this season, and

1846
01:43:38,439 --> 01:43:42,720
Speaker 5: the Patriots four and thirteen the last two years they

1847
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:46,160
Speaker 5: bring in a coach, they spend the money looked. I

1848
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:48,720
Speaker 5: think it was like two hundred something million dollars that

1849
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:51,680
Speaker 5: the Patriots paid out and free agency money and contracts

1850
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:53,720
Speaker 5: and look what it did for him. It shows when

1851
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:55,800
Speaker 5: you have a coach that knows what he's doing and

1852
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:58,639
Speaker 5: an owner that's willing to commit, and that's Robert Krafft.

1853
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:02,760
Speaker 5: Robert Grant wants to do one win, win, win, win,

1854
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:05,599
Speaker 5: and don't give me this crept that we beg Le's

1855
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 5: have the money because the team's worth three billion dollars,

1856
01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:10,680
Speaker 5: so we got all we can. We don't want to

1857
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 5: go down that road. Seattle's got a hell of a defense,

1858
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:18,320
Speaker 5: and that's Sam Darnold. I mean, he was giving up

1859
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:20,519
Speaker 5: for dead in New York, giving up for dead. I

1860
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:23,320
Speaker 5: think it was at Carolina. And then he goes to Minnesota,

1861
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:25,479
Speaker 5: had a great year and they get rid of him

1862
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 5: for J. J. McCarthy and he goes to Seattle and

1863
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:31,200
Speaker 5: he's had one hell of a year. He's had one

1864
01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 5: hell of a year. This could be a very good game.

1865
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 5: Some people are thinking they're going to be a blowout.

1866
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:36,719
Speaker 5: I think it's going to be a tight game.

1867
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:37,400
Speaker 3: I really do.

1868
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:41,080
Speaker 5: New England and New England in the end will come

1869
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 5: out on top because Rabel is much smarter than the

1870
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:46,759
Speaker 5: coach or Seattle whose name I can't I can't recall,

1871
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:48,479
Speaker 5: and I think if you went up the Fountain Square

1872
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:51,000
Speaker 5: with a fifth fill one hundred dollars bills and stopped

1873
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 5: everybody they got down.

1874
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 3: It's Mike McDonald.

1875
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:57,320
Speaker 5: Is his name, okay, Mike, Mike McConnell.

1876
01:44:57,560 --> 01:45:00,800
Speaker 3: Mike. No, not Mike McConnell. Mike McDonald.

1877
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:03,560
Speaker 5: Oh, Mike McDonald. Well again, as you went up the

1878
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:06,680
Speaker 5: Fountain Square with a fistful of fifties, stopped everybody to

1879
01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:09,360
Speaker 5: cut and tell you that, coach, I'm not going.

1880
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:11,479
Speaker 1: To Fountain Square with a fist full of fifties. I'm

1881
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:14,920
Speaker 1: going home. Listen, have a good night. Thanks wild man,

1882
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:20,080
Speaker 1: talk safe, all right, take a care of yourself, and

1883
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:23,439
Speaker 1: when you get out, make sure you've got your shorts on.

1884
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,599
Speaker 1: We'll be back to wrap the nightcap next on seven

1885
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:32,080
Speaker 1: hundred WLW the regular Thank you to first responders, to

1886
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 1: all of the people who are helping to keep us

1887
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:38,800
Speaker 1: safe and trying to keep us warm. Whether you are

1888
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:42,120
Speaker 1: a duke, power worker, whether you are a tow truck driver,

1889
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:46,920
Speaker 1: whether you are a paramedic driving an ambulance, a firetruck,

1890
01:45:47,120 --> 01:45:51,200
Speaker 1: a police officer, thank you very much for braving this

1891
01:45:51,479 --> 01:45:54,799
Speaker 1: life threatening cold to keep the rest of us warm

1892
01:45:55,120 --> 01:46:01,120
Speaker 1: and safe. And and waterworks workers too. Man, your jobs

1893
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 1: are unbelievably difficult, and if it were left to me,

1894
01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:11,559
Speaker 1: everyone would die, probably of hypothermia or in the dark.

1895
01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:16,439
Speaker 1: But thanks to you folks who, no matter what the

1896
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:21,519
Speaker 1: weather is, persist to do your jobs and to help

1897
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 1: us continue to live the lives to which we become accustomed.

1898
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:30,240
Speaker 1: God bless you. We finished tonight in your honor with

1899
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 1: the Star spangled banner the national anthem to honor you

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Speaker 1: and America on seven hundred WLW