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Speaker 1: I gotta believe it's going to be a joy ride

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Speaker 1: At probably five thirty email guardsyjgatcatbin dot com and at

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Speaker 1: this hour with Thursday regular Sean Salisbury. I know it's

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Speaker 1: been bugging you for a while because you have great

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Speaker 1: pride in your home state, the state of Minnesota. Of course,

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Speaker 1: how is the tourism industry doing? How are we getting

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Speaker 1: our fair share of tours? We know we don't have

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Speaker 1: palm trees, we know it's not particularly tropical here, but

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Speaker 1: we still like to think that there are many inviting

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Speaker 1: the average tourist, perhaps especially someone who embraces winter right,

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Speaker 2: Right, so this time of year, you say, well, you

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Speaker 3: You, ice fishing all of America, the whole bit. What

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Speaker 3: turns out we are doing better than expected on a

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Speaker 3: one reason apparently our tourism is booming. The only thing

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Speaker 3: I can come up with is that if you come

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Speaker 3: here you can steal millions of dollars from us.

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Speaker 1: Is that it You've nailed it. You nailed it one

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Speaker 1: you the direct quote from our guy assistant US Attorney

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Speaker 1: Joe Thompson back in the news. Another presser today, another day,

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Speaker 1: another fraud announcement.

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Speaker 2: I'll just read it to you direct quote.

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Speaker 1: Minnesota has become a magnet for frauds, so much so

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Speaker 1: that we have developed a fraud tourism industry, people coming

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Speaker 1: to our state purely to exploit.

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Speaker 2: And defraud its programs.

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Speaker 1: This is a deeply unsettling reality that all Minnesotas should understand.

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Speaker 1: Fraud tourists are now regularly traveling to Minnesota after, according

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Speaker 1: to prosecutors, a friend told them state programs were quote

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Speaker 2: That's incredible, it's astonishing.

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Speaker 1: This comes along with new indictments today in the ever

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Speaker 1: widening Minnesota fraud scandal. I don't know how I'm getting

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Speaker 2: There's there's nobody's watching.

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Speaker 1: Go west, young man. You don't have to go all

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Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, we have a fraud rush here.

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Speaker 1: There are two individuals accused of siphoning millions. Only millions,

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Speaker 1: No big deal because I mean, we're only interesting, you know.

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Speaker 1: The new battle is was it really billions? How many

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Speaker 1: And again he hasn't laid it out, he hasn't proven

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Speaker 2: So again, none of it's good.

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Speaker 1: If you're if you're overcharging, or you're at you're getting,

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Speaker 1: We have become a national disgrace on this issue. Let's

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Speaker 2: But that's the truth of it. In a sense, their.

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Speaker 1: Worst nightmare have been two people, Andy Luger and Joe Thompson. Now,

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Speaker 1: That's the whole point of it. And I applaud your

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Speaker 1: It's too it's political dynamite. I gotta be careful here,

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Speaker 1: I gotta this isn't you know? Then I'm giving up.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about it for years on this show. Can't

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Speaker 2: Trump. You can play the game of well.

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Speaker 1: It's just the other side seizing upon it, but be

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Speaker 1: with it, because we can we can say it's all politicized.

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Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is, I would argue statewide,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's the longest we've gone without a Joe

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Speaker 1: And again, you can say he's throwing out these numbers recklessly,

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Speaker 1: Or let's say it's five billion. What number do we

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Speaker 1: of the fraud Tauris Torris, welcome, great to have you.

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Speaker 1: Park Guardsy is relieved. He is relieved that we are

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Speaker 1: finally waking up to the massive fraud going on around here.

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Speaker 2: Finally noticed, finally noticed. I wonder when you were going

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Speaker 1: January twenty twenty two, I think, was when the FBI

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Speaker 2: Have we stopped talking about it since then on the show?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: Have we stopped having Andy Luger and Joe Thompson at

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Speaker 1: least once on this show when we can no. So,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you finally noticed, Mike, that we have been

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Speaker 1: A Republican candidate for governor is in the meat grinder

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Speaker 1: on this story. Your gal Representative Kristin Robbins, a Republican

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Speaker 1: She had said yesterday that it defended in the sprawling

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Speaker 1: Feeding our Future scheme has received tens of millions more

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Speaker 5: I'm a you know, my affinity for Chris and he's

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Speaker 4: He was mindful of situations on the field, but also

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Speaker 4: And that's why a lot of them don't coach Dan,

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Speaker 4: That's true, how many people I had coach?

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Speaker 5: Why wouldn't I want Chris Carter coaching the receivers?

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Speaker 4: From it, like if I'm sitting in the room trying

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Speaker 4: to keep his self esteem high but also humble enough

439
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 4: to low, Dude, you're not anywhere near where you need

440
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 4: to be. And I would even throw in We've had

441
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 4: guys like Brad Johnson and Dante Culpepper and Warren mood

442
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 4: As you would roll through here, we've had Franchtrois. We

443
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 4: have pretty good ones. And in a joking way where

444
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 4: he's like, oh I get the history now, coach, But

445
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 4: the other side is right.

446
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 5: It was a it was a good game.

447
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 4: He missed Jefferson on a couple great ball fake to

448
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 4: get in the end zone, made a couple of good throws.

449
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 4: What was at the touchdown to Naylor right to play

450
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 4: the neighbors. So he did some good things and it's growing.

451
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 4: I think part of what Chris, from what you described it.

452
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 4: Knowing Chris is there's almost a method to his madness

453
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 4: of I'm sending a message. I know JJ's going to

454
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 4: see this and to say, listen, man, you're doing better,

455
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 4: but don't get caught up in all the nonsense.

456
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 5: One hundred and fifty yards ain't getting you anywhere.

457
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 4: If the other team happens to play their game and

458
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 4: the Cowboys, well, did what the Cowboys do. Give you

459
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 4: three good games and then disappear, and they're going to

460
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 4: disappear themselves right out of January. So it was I

461
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 4: get what he's saying, Chris, listen, if you're thin skinned

462
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 4: or faint of heart. And I mean this affectionately because

463
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 4: I love him. I needed Chris Carter. But if you're

464
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 4: thin skin a faint of heart, whether you're a player

465
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 4: and he's in the media, whether he's a player on

466
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 4: your team and you can't and Chris Carter's on your team,

467
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 4: You've got two choices.

468
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 5: Now. You can either when I say, fight back respectfully,

469
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 5: but he wants you to do that. That's what he

470
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 5: always did. If he can take it, that's his approach.

471
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 5: But if you go and wilt in the corner and

472
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Speaker 5: fight back and do that that's.

473
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Speaker 4: Also the wrong guy, because Chris is great with that

474
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 4: up to know, oh there's your weakness, I'm going to

475
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 4: I'm going to hit it until you realize that you.

476
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 5: Need to fix that and make it better.

477
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 4: So it's a motivational speech that also lets you know

478
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 4: you're nowhere near where you need to be if this

479
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 4: team's going to be back to when Chris was there

480
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 4: and they were winning fifteen games, right, Dane. So that's

481
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 4: the way I approach it. Not hearing the tone and

482
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Speaker 4: tenor and maybe he had one.

483
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Speaker 5: Of those nations.

484
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 4: Maybe he was frustrated we're winning games, guys were over celebrating.

485
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 4: You know, we're not going to celebrate a first down

486
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 4: run when you're down three touchdowns.

487
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Speaker 5: They weren't.

488
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Speaker 4: But in that case, you know, the guy who catches

489
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 4: a five yard hitching points to first down and you're

490
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 4: down forty to ten, that team, I think Chris is

491
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 4: just trying to guard against an ad perspective to you're

492
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Speaker 4: not going to the playoffs, you haven't played a full season,

493
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 4: you're a second year guy who's basically playing his rookie season.

494
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 4: You got a chance. There's an approach and as a

495
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 4: Hall of Famer. I'll always trust a Hall of Famers approach.

496
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Speaker 1: That's I think that's a really good analysis of probably

497
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Speaker 1: what is working behind the scenes and Carter's mind. For

498
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: the record, in fairness, we should mention against Dallas, JJ

499
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: threw for two fifty.

500
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Speaker 2: It was the week so he may have been referring

501
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Speaker 2: to the.

502
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Speaker 5: One It was two fifteen. He was like fifteen to

503
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Speaker 5: twenty four or something.

504
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: Last week's exactly right, right, fifteen for twenty four, and

505
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: then he went for the Green Bay loss was only

506
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Speaker 1: eighty seven.

507
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: The week before that was one fifty.

508
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Speaker 4: So look at the improvement. That's my point. That's what

509
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 4: I'm looking for, knowing we're not going to the playoffs

510
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 4: and I got a young quarterback we're trying to turn

511
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 4: into a big time player.

512
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Speaker 1: So specifically, what did you see you believe that was

513
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: better decisive?

514
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 4: Not on all of them, and I'm not even just

515
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 4: talking about the pass game. It felt like command, a

516
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 4: little more command, you know, going in as we talked

517
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 4: about that, the Cowboys pretty high powered offensively when they're

518
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 4: going now, Pickens disappeared and this team is so well.

519
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 4: I've been trying to figure out the Cowboys since Ekman

520
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 4: had one year retired. Now you do now do that?

521
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 5: Man? I mean, we're talking what mid nineties did, right,

522
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 5: so figure them out.

523
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 4: So but going in, we know that they're capable of

524
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 4: hanging forty and give it up forty two. We know

525
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 4: they're capable of going and playing a bad team and

526
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 4: score and ten, and we're capable of knowing what they

527
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 4: showed against the Vikings. What I saw with McCarthy is

528
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 4: and for the first time, I haven't watched him. I

529
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 4: haven't watched the game a second time, if that makes sense,

530
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 4: just one time. And from the live I felt he

531
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 4: was a little more in control, or at least my

532
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 4: perception the optics felt like he was more in control.

533
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 4: I don't care about the numbers as long as he's

534
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 4: not turning over putting me in by. I felt like

535
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 4: he's starting to understand what you're trying to get accomplished

536
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 4: in the play action game. How quickly the ball's got

537
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 4: to come out, how fast the game is. Regardless of

538
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 4: you played at Michigan, Ohio State or Slippery Rocket, doesn't matter.

539
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 4: The game's moving in college, the game's moving in the NFL.

540
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 4: I thought that I thought he there were signs of

541
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 4: he's coming in. He's being a veteran quarterback who're starting

542
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 4: to understand getting the ball to the right people in

543
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 4: the right time matters, and that he's not the same

544
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 4: feel he had at Michigan because he had been there

545
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 4: in command. But I felt like it was a step

546
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 4: closer to saying, Okay, I'm an NFL quarterback. I'm starting

547
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 4: to understand what Kevin's trying to do with the defense.

548
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 5: Is trying to do what.

549
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 4: I'm not capable of doing right now, could play within myself.

550
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 4: It felt to me like he felt like the goal

551
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 4: was to win, not to prove to the world that

552
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 4: he can do a bunch of other stuff. At least

553
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 4: at times, they're still improving. You can't miss open receivers

554
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 4: when a home runs there. I would like them early

555
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 4: on because great players. Anthony Carter was like, this, need

556
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 4: the ball early somehow, some way regularly.

557
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 5: I would like them to find Look at what the

558
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:42,479
Speaker 5: Rams do with Puka.

559
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter what coverage is, They're going to find

560
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 4: a way to deploy him.

561
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 5: And Kevin knows this. Hell he's been with McVeigh no.

562
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 4: Somehow, some way, even when you double him, I got

563
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 4: to motion him put him in the slot, not just outside,

564
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 4: stick him in the backfield, and motion him out of

565
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 4: the backfield. I've got to do all I can to

566
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 4: get I don't care if it's a toss sweep. Jefferson

567
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 4: has to get the ball early, often and regularly without.

568
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 5: Being stupid and throwing it when there's three guys.

569
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 4: But then you keep him into it, which he's not

570
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 4: over there chattering which receivers and I mean that they

571
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 4: like to do that, and that's okay because they want.

572
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 5: The ball and you've got a better chance to win

573
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 5: when he gets the ball.

574
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 4: And I know he missed him a couple of times,

575
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 4: and there's some things he'd like to have back. But

576
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 4: the step in the right direction, especially going in when

577
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 4: you know you feel like you have to score a

578
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 4: bunch of points against the Cowboys because they are capable

579
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 4: of scoring there and they've proven it, so there's no

580
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 4: doubt there. So I just saw steps in the direction

581
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 4: of not pretty Dan. I saw steps in the direction

582
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 4: of being a quarterback. If that makes sense.

583
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: Does How do you know how important the rest of

584
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: the way is it to find a way to connect

585
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: with Justin Jefferson, Because I mean, on the one hand,

586
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know, the most important thing is

587
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: he made enough of the right throws. They won the

588
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: game on road. The Dallas desperately wanted the victory. They

589
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: did have something to play for, and so you can't.

590
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: You got to go where you gotta go. On the

591
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: other hand, you got so much invested in this receiver

592
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: and he's so important.

593
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: Is that crucial? Is that?

594
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: No, you worry about that in the off season, getting

595
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: into next season or not any not worth worrying about

596
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: it all.

597
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,239
Speaker 4: Oh, you worry about it for it's and it's not

598
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 4: just worry about it for your team's success. And I've

599
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 4: never sat down with Jefferson, but knowing good receivers, they're

600
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 4: always open. We joke about Chris was always open, Randy's

601
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 4: always open, and Jerry was always open.

602
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 5: Truth is, most of the time they are. You just

603
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 5: got a no way to.

604
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 4: Get it to is you don't want those One thing

605
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 4: I also know about receivers when they go on like

606
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 4: podcasts and talk says this is a minor thing. But

607
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 4: if somebody asks him a question, that gets under their

608
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 4: skin because they play emotional. Jefferson does all the good ones.

609
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 4: Do you know that they're from Puka right on the steet.

610
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 4: They played with this inner grind in a motion and

611
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 4: that when they're not getting theirs not getting there is

612
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 4: this isn't just money not getting there.

613
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 5: This isn't just a victory.

614
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 4: They want twelve for a buck sixty, they want nine.

615
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 4: If you win and they go two for thirty, well

616
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 4: they're happy with the win. A lot of them they

617
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 4: walk out of there. It's the bittersweet feel like, yeah,

618
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 4: we want. It's like that guy who gets a Super

619
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 4: Bowl ring but was hurt all year. You're like, yeah,

620
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 4: I'm on the team, but damn, why am I gonna?

621
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 4: I got buddies that that's happened. Super Bowl ring they wanted,

622
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 4: but he got hurt in Game one, didn't play, won't

623
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 4: wear the ring. He's glad for the team did it,

624
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 4: but he feels like he didn't contribute, but he did.

625
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 5: He's practicing. Just was unfortunate.

626
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 4: Receivers gained a game feel like this that man we want,

627
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 4: but I got my And on the other hand a

628
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 4: lot of times and like I said, this is just

629
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 4: how a lot of them are built. Is that if

630
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 4: you lose and they go twelve for one, sixty and

631
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 4: two touchdowns, they'll be the happiest guy at dinner when

632
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 4: the game's open. Not happy they lost, but knowing I

633
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 4: could do anything else. Man, So we got thrown to me,

634
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 4: I got mine right. And the truth is, and trying

635
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 4: to defend receivers of this now, you don't want them

636
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 4: throwing their hands in the air and embarrassing your teammates

637
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 4: and standing you up in public and being a distraction

638
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 4: of the postgame press conference. But the truth the matter

639
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 4: is when they do get theirs, like last week, Phuka

640
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 4: gets damn near two hundred yards receiving and then two

641
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 4: touchdowns and is going crazy. You've got a chance to

642
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 4: the better chance to win. So in the off season

643
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 4: I want Jefferson not to olch player empowerment and I

644
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 4: need to brown nose him, But as a franchise I

645
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 4: want him going into the off season feeling good to

646
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 4: where a couple of those receivers buddies at a reunion

647
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 4: or when they go do something he does say yeah.

648
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 5: Man, you know what I mean.

649
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 4: I'm you lucky you Burrows throwing you the ball, or

650
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 4: you're lucky that you've got Josh Allen right, Because what

651
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 4: it does is then it gets back to the quarterback.

652
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 4: I know this is minor, but it does matter.

653
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 5: Dad.

654
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 4: You want those guys to no matter where they are,

655
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 4: wherever do they are in the United States and they're

656
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 4: traveling the off season, they can't wait to get back

657
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Speaker 4: to OTAs to be with you.

658
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 5: It is important. It's also important to build on who

659
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 5: they are.

660
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 4: Listen the Vikings, they're not going anywhere this year, but

661
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 4: for their future forward.

662
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 5: If they want to maximize what Kevin O'Connor wants to.

663
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 4: Do, like what mcvay's doing or anybody else, it's high powered. Regularly,

664
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Speaker 4: they want the quarterback to beat his best and continue

665
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 4: to expand his game running and throughing.

666
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 5: But Jefferson has to be a huge part of that.

667
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 4: If he's not, you're not going to get the maximum

668
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Speaker 4: out of the Vikings because he's such a good player.

669
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Speaker 5: So what they do with Pooker.

670
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 4: Or certain receivers on teams, what we did with Chris,

671
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 4: we just found ways to deploy them to get him,

672
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Speaker 4: to get him in either mismatches or knowing that he

673
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 4: was going to be to the double team because he

674
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 4: knew how to sit down and zone and run away.

675
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 4: And they were physical and precise in dynamic in the

676
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Speaker 4: route running.

677
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Speaker 5: So it is it's not.

678
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Speaker 4: Oh, I got to get him the ball at the

679
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 4: sacrifice of the team. But I can tell you this,

680
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 4: If you can find a way to get it to

681
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 4: him and deploy him so he can get the ball somehow,

682
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 4: it makes everybody else better because it makes number two

683
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 4: and number three have more open looks because you know

684
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Speaker 4: who you got to take one of the vikings, and

685
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 4: in truth, you take him away, you think you've got

686
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 4: a pretty good chance to win if you're a defense,

687
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 4: and which means that's a compliment to the vikings and

688
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 4: how you distribute the ball elsewhere, because not every game

689
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 4: is going to be like that. But Jefferson is capable

690
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 4: of taking over every game. I got to get him

691
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Speaker 4: involved regularly and early.

692
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Speaker 1: So how much of this you mentioned the rams McVeigh

693
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Speaker 1: and and and Puka, So how much of this is

694
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Speaker 1: his system is slightly different from from the guy who

695
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Speaker 1: you know who worked with him koc or how much

696
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Speaker 1: of it is?

697
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Speaker 2: Well, in l A you.

698
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: Got veterans quarterback named Stafford, and here you got a

699
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: guy still trying to figure you know, figure out you

700
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Speaker 1: know where he fits in.

701
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Speaker 5: Well, the biggest part of that.

702
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Speaker 4: You know, the the verbage is going to be pretty similar,

703
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Speaker 4: if not exactly the same, with a few of Kevin's

704
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 4: touches throughout his career on it right, you know, whether

705
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 4: it's something he did when he was when he was

706
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 4: playing or that, you're going to get a lot of

707
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 4: similarities because they're cut from the same, you know, sist

708
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 4: type of system. They could probably finish each other's sentences

709
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 4: like that whole group from Zach Tay, you know that

710
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 4: whole group, the Shanahan McVeigh group. It's more the Cats

711
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 4: that were doing it. Number nine that plays for the

712
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 4: Rams right now, all those years we saw him in

713
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 4: the division. Dam he's playing better football than he's ever played.

714
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 4: And that is saying something because he's had a five

715
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 4: thousand yard season. He's been a gun slinger. He kept Detroit.

716
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 4: He is playing at such a high quarterback level a

717
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 4: level and his arm could still he could throw it

718
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Speaker 4: with anybody at his age. There's very few people that

719
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 4: can fit it in the windows like Stafford Can. I'm

720
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 4: telling you right now, you can give me Josh Allen,

721
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 4: you can give me my homes.

722
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 5: You can give me.

723
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 4: There's from point A to point B and he's getting

724
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 4: it there as good and as fast and as urgent

725
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 4: as anybody.

726
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 5: And you want to talk about confidence.

727
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 4: Every time Stafford comes and gets under center, I think

728
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 4: he's going to make some kind of great play. And

729
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 4: it doesn't hurt that their run games pretty physical. McVeigh

730
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 4: knows exactly what his strengths are. You got good players,

731
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Speaker 4: and even whether Devonte's hurting and the other guy goes

732
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 4: against fifteen catches, I mean, so there's a confidence and

733
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 4: a familiarity and a comfort zone. They're just better. They've

734
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 4: got more weapons and they're a better offense. Now that

735
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 4: mean Jefferson takes a back Sea ka Puka, No, you

736
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 4: got that. The big difference is who plays quarterback. You've

737
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 4: got a young guy still trying to learn that. If

738
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Speaker 4: he has a career like Stafford has to this point,

739
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 4: we'll walk off and say it was a great draft

740
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 4: pick by the by the Vikings. And if he has

741
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 4: a career like Stafford's having now and forward, then will

742
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 4: say damn this kind of Hall of famer. So there

743
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 4: it is. That's the difference in McVeigh knows, no matter

744
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 4: what he calls normally, something good will happen. And if

745
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 4: it's not good, it won't be bad. And if it

746
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 4: is bad, the Stafford can overcome it, and so can

747
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 4: he in the offense. Right now with Minnesota, it's well,

748
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 4: I don't know if we can overcome it. He's still

749
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 4: trying to learn, and we can't drop back and throw

750
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 4: it for it five times like the Rams can. You

751
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 4: can make the Rams one dimensional right now, Dan, and

752
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 4: they can still beat you.

753
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 5: We got a hell of a game tonight that I

754
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 5: can't wait to see.

755
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 2: That's gonna be fine, Sam, it is.

756
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 4: And then on the other side with with you want

757
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 4: to get to that point with the Vikings right now

758
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 4: if you do make them one full dimension and they

759
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 4: got to drop back forty five times, Warren Moon could

760
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Speaker 4: do it, but I'm not sure that McCarthy's ready for

761
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Speaker 4: that yet.

762
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Speaker 5: Stafford is. And that's the difference in the two right now.

763
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Speaker 2: You know, the.

764
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Speaker 1: NFC North going into the season was viewed, I think

765
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Speaker 1: as a division that was going to be very deep,

766
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: at least three teams deep. Now, as it turns out,

767
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: the one of the three teams happens to be the

768
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: Bears rather than the Vikings have already been mathematically eliminated.

769
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Speaker 1: But as they stand, especially with the injury to Michael Parsons.

770
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I view any of the NFC North

771
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Speaker 1: teams as ones. I bet a lot of money on

772
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Speaker 1: making a deep playoff run. Am I under selling anybody?

773
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Speaker 2: Or what do you say? See in the division?

774
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Speaker 5: Now?

775
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Speaker 4: Now I'm with you the trust factor the Parsons saying,

776
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Speaker 4: sent me back because I think he's such a wrecord

777
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Speaker 4: that you can play a defensive game and find a

778
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Speaker 4: way to win. Because Jordan loves good enough to play

779
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 4: in one of those right where he doesn't feel like

780
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Speaker 4: he has to that they don't need to score thirty five.

781
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Speaker 4: That's a big change, and that's why you mortgaged a

782
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Speaker 4: lot to go get him. I am with you on

783
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 4: that one. Detroit. It's so weird. One week, I think, Man,

784
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 4: there you go. Then the next week I'm like two

785
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 4: finesse yes. Then we think what a great offensive line.

786
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Speaker 4: Then the next week it's like where was golf throwing that?

787
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 4: Then the next week it's like, Dan, you can't go

788
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 4: for it twenty seven times fourth out.

789
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: To get out.

790
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Speaker 4: So it's the fluctuation of they are. If you were

791
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Speaker 4: watching them on one of those heart monitors, Dan, you

792
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 4: know you could be up down if you try to

793
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 4: follow it. There's no flat line where it's like conciding's like,

794
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Speaker 4: I don't know what I don't know what I'm getting

795
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 4: from Detroit now. If they're playing their best, beware because

796
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 4: they can score from the parking lot.

797
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Speaker 2: But it's not anybody that's exactly.

798
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Speaker 5: My So they get into a fistfight where you're getting

799
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Speaker 5: gut punched.

800
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Speaker 4: Not not you know, not hoping you land a big

801
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Speaker 4: blow to knock somebody out with a lucky punch.

802
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 5: Agreed, So that take that.

803
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 4: Then we obviously know about the vikings in truth, the

804
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 4: grind and again grit it sounds so cheesy. The Bear's

805
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 4: defense is getting better, their offensive line is becoming one

806
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 4: of the better.

807
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 5: I mean, they're really doing a great job. And you

808
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 5: know what's said.

809
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 4: I didn't know as much as I watched Caleb going

810
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 4: into last week's game. He's the all time best in

811
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 4: the first thousand throws and not throwing it to the

812
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 4: other team, which is if you'd ask that going in

813
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 4: most people, what are you talking about this rookie he's

814
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 4: on He's gonna have three different coordinators and he's got

815
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 4: Ben Johnson who takes chances and he doesn't play on schedule.

816
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 5: He's off schedule, throwing side on him, and you're like.

817
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 4: But yet he talk about a guy who's getting better

818
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 4: and a feel and betting to wonder Ben Johnson wanted

819
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 4: to wait for this gig even though he's got a

820
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 4: long way to go and he's getting better and patient

821
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 4: and not having to play hero ball. And then when

822
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 4: he has to dan that throw he made going to

823
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 4: his right in the back of the end zone last week,

824
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 4: they can't win Vabe, Yes, stupid good. It was like,

825
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 4: let me see that again, isn't that good? So I'm

826
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 4: not so sure right now, depending on where it is,

827
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 4: because the guy is so dynamic and they are getting better,

828
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 4: they're running it pretty depth wise. They've got it and

829
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 4: getting roamed back will be good for them. I'm not

830
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 4: sure that this team right now can't beat idiot them

831
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 4: and their record shows that they can.

832
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 5: But I'm with you.

833
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 4: Do I believe an NFC North team as I watch

834
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 4: right now is playing in the NFC Championship Game.

835
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 5: Maybe if they were to get three in that they'll

836
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 5: have it just by a process of statistically eliminating maybe,

837
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 5: But do what I bet right now? To be in there. No,

838
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 5: I take Seattle, I take the Rams.

839
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 4: There's a few other hell right now, even though they're

840
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 4: they're reeling Philadelphia's moxie.

841
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 5: I may even take them even though their quarterback in

842
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 5: their places that hasn't been great.

843
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 4: So I don't trust, but I am intrigued by it

844
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 4: because all three of them give me something. Yet all

845
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 4: three of them have a weakness that makes you say,

846
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 4: that's a first, that's a first weekend out.

847
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 5: So we'll see.

848
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 4: But deep but not spectacular at the top, even though

849
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 4: the record for like A Chicago says pretty good.

850
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 5: Man, it's pretty spectacular.

851
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 4: But maybe if we were having this conversation a year

852
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 4: from now in Chicago was doing this, we might feel.

853
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 5: Different because it would be one more year of trust

854
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 5: from a rookie.

855
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: N true, that's a big part of it as well.

856
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: By the way, Guardgie and I had a pre show

857
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: meeting and we've decided you should get the week off

858
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: next Thursday. We think next Thursday you should get the

859
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: We you worked hard, we're gonna give you Christmas Day.

860
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: I mean we'll be here, of course working because we

861
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: never stop working, but we're gonna give you Christmas Day

862
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: off how how you know how magnanimous.

863
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 4: Are I mean, you guys are unbelievable that you give me.

864
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 4: You give me that leeway, and you know what it

865
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 4: sounds like. It sounds like the voluntary mandatory that I'm

866
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 4: gonna get punished for that being on ay.

867
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: Sooner or later, we'll probably find a way to use it.

868
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: Somebody will.

869
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: There'll be a listener who will use it against you,

870
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: because I know they're out there.

871
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: So as I got Tostia yeah on.

872
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 4: Your Twitter handle for your show and on yours, there

873
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 4: will be somebody who says, well, Sean, you're lazy, and

874
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 4: it'll be serious. I'm like, well, I really it's I mean,

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Speaker 4: I'm on here because I love them, But can I

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Speaker 4: wake up and hand my kid a few gifts and

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Speaker 4: deal with my dogs and animals and have some fun?

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Speaker 5: But yeah, oh it's coming. We'll have some fun.

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Speaker 4: So yes, I'm going to be lazy next week. I

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Speaker 4: appreciate you giving me Christmas off, brother, but merry Christmas.

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Speaker 4: Do a great city, you and guards here the best,

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Speaker 4: and you know it. I consider it an honor and

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Speaker 4: I'm serious. I don't take lightly coming on and sharing

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Speaker 4: football and fun laughs with you guys each week.

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Speaker 2: So thank you, well, you know how much we appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: Have a great holiday and we'll we'll talk maybe in

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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Happy holidays, Marry Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Thanks shown Sean Salisbury. Top of the Hour break is approaching.

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Speaker 1: Thursday is usually not a day we associate with Luigi,

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Speaker 1: but his schedule is.

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Speaker 2: Kind of fun. Monkey this week. Lots of hockey to

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Speaker 2: discuss with Louie that is coming up next