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Speaker 1: Found the killing of Kamene? So what does that look

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Speaker 1: Chris naiheis of Vigilant Cybersecurity in Cincinnati. He's the CEO

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Speaker 3: Like a deaf Con two too, you know, but you

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Speaker 3: gotta have awareness, you know, ultimately you don't want to

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Speaker 3: you just degrade over time. So sure, you want to

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Speaker 1: We've often talked about a cyber nine to eleven coming

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Speaker 1: We know Iran uses fake hacker groups as a front

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Speaker 2: Well, well in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like Chris that that back in post nine

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Speaker 1: have been told that Iran was weeks away from nuclear weaponry,

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Speaker 1: and as somebody who's since the nineteen nineties, as what

438
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Speaker 1: like thirty forty thirty years ago, we started a war

439
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Speaker 1: we're losing now, we've lost what six military personnel, and

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Speaker 1: we've been told this is about well, they might have

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Speaker 1: they're developing nuclear webs Okay, But even if they did

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Speaker 1: acquire it, which they haven't for thirty years, Israel acquired

443
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Speaker 1: nukes illegally with the help of South Africa. I mean,

444
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Speaker 1: you know, they're are our allies. I get that whole thing.

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Speaker 1: But you know they kid Israel take care of themselves.

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Speaker 1: Sure at this point, and several members of Congress said

447
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Speaker 1: while they were talking the administration and they were told

448
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Speaker 1: that missiles in southern Iran were an imminent threat to US.

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Speaker 1: FORRCE is the region, and the missiles been there for

450
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Speaker 1: a long time. It doesn't mean that they weren't going

451
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Speaker 1: to press the button at some point and at Thatack

452
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Speaker 1: is sure. But the idea that this is a clear

453
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Speaker 1: and present danger right now, well, you know, when you're

454
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Speaker 1: up in the three decade mark here, maybe that's just

455
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Speaker 1: the way things are. And I get the you know,

456
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Speaker 1: the motive for this whole thing is well, I mean

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Speaker 1: I look at what is the motive for the Why

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Speaker 1: are we doing it now? I guess it is there

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Speaker 1: a perceived weakness theirs because we have this giant uprising

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Speaker 1: among the students and they've been tortured, condemned, executed. It's

461
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Speaker 1: a questered, jocked, locked up, thrown away the key and

462
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Speaker 1: now this is a moment in time or hey, you

463
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Speaker 1: know what, the people are rising up, Let's help them out.

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Speaker 1: Little bit possibly, and when will that happen again, We

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Speaker 1: don't know, But the question is the why now. As

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Speaker 1: much as we want to see regime change in Iran

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Speaker 1: and we're having regime change right now, it doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: like this is well planned out, like there's an exit strategy.

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Speaker 1: The criticism was that under Bush, we don't have an

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Speaker 1: exit strategy while we're doing that again, And I think

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Speaker 1: it's fair as an American, especially if you consider yourself,

472
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Speaker 1: you know, a patriot has a lot of people do

473
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Speaker 1: to ask tough questions administration, going look, what's our axistrategy,

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Speaker 1: what's the end goal here? Why would this effort at

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Speaker 1: regime change be any different? But typically what winds up

476
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Speaker 1: happening is we do these things, we see them and go, okay, great,

477
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Speaker 1: it's awesome's let's help, and we try to change it,

478
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Speaker 1: and then we just give up because well, we have

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Speaker 1: metrum elections or president's going to turn out here in

480
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Speaker 1: three years, and all they have to do is keep

481
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Speaker 1: at this for four years, I suppose, because new regime

482
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Speaker 1: will come in and go, we're not doing this war stuff.

483
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Speaker 1: We're pulling everything out, and you know, we pull the

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Speaker 1: carpet out on what it is. We spent lives and

485
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Speaker 1: a lot of money on We did this not that

486
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Speaker 1: long ago, and we're about to do it again. I

487
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Speaker 1: just want a plan. We've already done it. Okay, the

488
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Speaker 1: beast has been decapitated. Great, we can't put that back together,

489
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Speaker 1: nor should we. We should be celebrating the Commandian is

490
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Speaker 1: no longer in power. But we've really got to come

491
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Speaker 1: up with a plan here, you know, just kind of

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Speaker 1: spit this thing. Rubyosaying one thing, Johnson saying another. Trump's

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Speaker 1: not saying anything. Kind of need some a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a containment here, don't we?

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Speaker 2: Would you agree?

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Speaker 1: I know the Democrats are gonna and they're about as

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Speaker 1: facktless as possible here.

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Speaker 2: They have no juice.

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Speaker 1: They're going to lose a vote to check the authority

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Speaker 1: to strike Iran, and they're preparing for a bigger fight

501
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Speaker 1: over the funding. So you got the War Powers Resolution

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Speaker 1: vote coming up. We could see that as soon as

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Speaker 1: I believe tomorrow. This may indeed, this whole thing might

504
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Speaker 1: bring the Democratic Party together on process anyway. But you

505
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Speaker 1: know they're going to talk about a funding them, but

506
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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders wants to shut the funding down, controlling the

507
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Speaker 1: purse strings. Another Democrat said, the Middle Eastern countries we've

508
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Speaker 1: been protecting need to pay for it. Sounds very trumpish,

509
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Speaker 1: which is true. They've got the oil money. Should they

510
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Speaker 1: be throwing money in and trying to move things along

511
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Speaker 1: here or have a bigger role in regime change in Iran?

512
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Speaker 1: At least they're a little bit closer to this thing,

513
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Speaker 1: and it kind of gets our fingerprints off with to

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Speaker 1: some degree. I think there are legitimate questions to ask

515
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Speaker 1: that because people but are so in their own heads,

516
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Speaker 1: are in their own camp political camp that they don't

517
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Speaker 1: want to but hell, I mean, you're looking at progressives

518
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Speaker 1: here and MAGA Republicans United, and you don't see that

519
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Speaker 1: very often.

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Speaker 2: Now that I'll tell you something that should tell you something.

521
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Speaker 1: Nonetheless, the Dow was taken into the shorts today it's down.

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Speaker 1: The Dow is down about a thousand points or now

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing the New York section down about thousand points

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Speaker 1: right now, Dow Jones Industrial, So that's what two percent

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Speaker 1: it is plunging right now. Stocks are selling off amid

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Speaker 1: the conflict that we're talking about here. Coming up at

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Speaker 1: eleven thirty five later the show, Andy schafferl be here

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Speaker 1: to calm you down a little voice or reason. We've

529
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Speaker 1: done this before and now I guarantee you what he's

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Speaker 1: going to say is that, look, people are.

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Speaker 2: Panicking right now. They're selling. Doesn't mean you should.

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Speaker 1: If you're a long term investor, you're four one k

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Speaker 1: whatever it is that you have, whether you're off I Ira,

534
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Speaker 1: if you got a little bit of money, don't flip

535
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Speaker 1: or you know what, just be cool right now, or

536
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Speaker 1: maybe shift some money into different things to take advantage

537
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Speaker 1: of this. But they want to be pulling all your

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Speaker 1: money out because everyone's hair is on fire on Wall

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Speaker 1: Street right now. It will recover, as it always does.

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Speaker 1: That's how it works. That's how it works. Made Chris

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Speaker 1: and I heis on a few minutes ago talking about

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Speaker 1: these cyber attacks. I will point out to that a

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Speaker 1: third person now is dead in that actual attack in Austin,

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Speaker 1: in that mass shooting by the guy in the Allah

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Speaker 1: sweatshirt or whatever it was, and that is more of

546
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Speaker 1: like a lone wolf thing, not really like sleep or sell,

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Speaker 1: which we have a fear of. But the biggest concern,

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Speaker 1: of course, would be cyber attacks here in Americas. Chris

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Speaker 1: was talking about because Iranians have been doing this, and

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Speaker 1: they have had a plan together for about fifteen years now,

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Speaker 1: the most recent hitting US in twenty twenty three when

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Speaker 1: a water treatment facility was attacked and shut down.

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Speaker 2: And he seems to think that that is.

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Speaker 1: Maybe not a likely or probable scenario, but that is

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Speaker 1: the one that would have the biggest impact, that they

556
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Speaker 1: could start shutting down water systems, because water today is gold,

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Speaker 1: as you know around the world, but especially here in

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Speaker 1: the US. Now we're blust because we have all sorts

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Speaker 1: of of aquifers, the Ohio River, we've got the Great Lakes,

560
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Speaker 1: and here in our state in Ohio, but out west,

561
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Speaker 1: as you know, the desert in California, they are struggling

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Speaker 1: when it comes to water. Wouldn't take much to topple

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Speaker 1: all that, and some sort of attack would certainly do that,

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Speaker 1: and do a lot more than a physical bombing or

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Speaker 1: something like that. I would think that that's probably more

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Speaker 1: likely than some sort of physical effect, not that both

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Speaker 1: can't happen together, but certainly that is a possibility here

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Speaker 1: as we move forward and thinking about our infrastructure. You know,

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Speaker 1: look at how many people flipped out, maybe you, maybe me,

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Speaker 1: you know, Verizon went down for a little bit. When

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Speaker 1: Amazon goes down or Twitter, people lose their minds. Could

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Speaker 1: you imagine like the water electric I mean water would

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Speaker 1: be one thing, but I think the electrical gride if

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Speaker 1: they had a problem to shut down the grade. Now

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Speaker 1: you can't charge your phone, you can't use stuff. That's

576
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Speaker 1: a huge problem right there. That is a huge problem.

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Speaker 1: But I think in the reality is back to government.

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Speaker 1: That that's the problem. Is that the private sector does really,

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Speaker 1: really well because money's involve. Their money's involved, the skin

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Speaker 1: is in the game, The CEO answers, the shareholders, the

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Speaker 1: shareholders of the CEO accountable, and it trickles on down.

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Speaker 1: If you screw something up relative to it cybersecurity, you're

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Speaker 1: going to pay a heavy toll heads a roll because

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Speaker 1: that's people's money. Where's the government is. They don't look

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Speaker 1: at it as their money. They look at it as

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Speaker 1: kind of free money. This is no accountability. We often

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Speaker 1: talk about government waste, fraud, and abuse. Well, that's true,

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Speaker 1: and especially when it comes to cybersecurity. You know, him

589
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Speaker 1: saying that we're probably worse today than we were yesterday

590
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Speaker 1: is not exactly what you want to hear from a

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Speaker 1: guy who is in the cybersecurity game. But that is

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Speaker 1: just typical of government, and that's why we in some

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Speaker 1: degree have to prepare ourselves. It doesn't mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: the are going to stockpile fifty pallets of water drinking

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Speaker 1: water because of this, or I don't know, put some

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Speaker 1: solar farm in your backyard, order giant propane tanks, underground diesel,

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Speaker 1: build your own nuclear reactor in your spare time. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, Because you know, I think in that regard

599
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Speaker 1: that preppers, the doomsdairs have a have something that's admirable

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Speaker 1: is that they can take care of themselves for a

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Speaker 1: sustainable period. Our phones go out, we can't get on Twitter.

602
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Speaker 1: People who say they're ready to jump off a bridge.

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Speaker 1: The last time that happened, I can't get out. I

604
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Speaker 1: can't check the I just bought a fifteen dozen socks

605
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Speaker 1: on Amazon. I can't check what when is my deliver

606
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Speaker 1: where's my package coming? People are ready to kill themselves

607
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Speaker 1: in each other when that happens. I think a little

608
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Speaker 1: preparedness is a good thing here. But we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Because the Iranians, at least, if anything, they do have proxies,

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Speaker 1: and they are maybe not the best but they're still

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Speaker 1: pretty good at cyber attacks. It's cheap and it's very

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Speaker 1: very effective. That is the biggest concern. It's a Scott

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Speaker 1: Flown show on seven hundred wwe coming up at ten

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Speaker 1: oh seven. We'll go in a different direction here. You

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Speaker 1: ever notice the debate over the climate is just well,

616
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Speaker 1: everything's polarizing these days, but especially climate debate. Like you

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Speaker 1: have people that are screaming that all the scientists are

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Speaker 1: in the take and it's not happening. Everything's good even

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Speaker 1: though you know scientists, you still measure things, and we

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Speaker 1: have the technology to measure things, and the planet's wiring

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Speaker 1: by a degree or two. But it's just a degree

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Speaker 1: or two. Is that big deal? Well, I'll say yes, okay.

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Speaker 1: On the other side, you have people like Greta Thurnberg,

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Speaker 1: like if we don't stop what we're doing right now,

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Speaker 1: she said a few years ago that the world's gonna end,

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Speaker 1: I don't know at midnight. Well that that's not true,

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Speaker 1: that's not true at all. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: we've heard these cries before where it's it's doomsday, it's

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Speaker 1: the world is ending, and it doesn't really come to fruition.

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Speaker 1: You heard about you know, the whole theozone the ozone

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Speaker 1: layer deals on the it fixed itself. We also heard

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Speaker 1: and I think this is interesting too. The story just

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Speaker 1: came out today. The US birth rate. Remember it wasn't

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Speaker 1: long ago. I mean maybe it was back in the

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Speaker 1: sixties before my time, but the concern was over population growth,

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Speaker 1: out of control population. You know, the Chinese instituted a

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Speaker 1: plan and it was pretty brutal as a matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: which led to the the death of a lot of girls.

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Speaker 1: Uh you prior toorist boys, because you know, we're reducing

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Speaker 1: too much. It's getting too big. Here in the United States.

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Speaker 1: The concern was a zero population. Population growth is going

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Speaker 1: to kill us. We can't sustain ourselves. That was back

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Speaker 1: in the sixties and into the seventies. Story today, the

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Speaker 1: nation's birth rate, the number of live births per thousand

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Speaker 1: people in a given year, is now down by more

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Speaker 1: than twenty five percent since two thousand and seven. So

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Speaker 1: in twenty years it's down twenty five percent. Factor in

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Speaker 1: a drop in immigration, and you know, look at the

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Speaker 1: falling birth rates. It's it's a big problem. We need

650
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: workers to support an aging population because workers pay taxes,

651
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: so there's concern there if it drops twenty five percent

652
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: since two thousand and seven, how is how is how

653
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: are things our systems sustainable? Before we had too many people,

654
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: Now we don't have enough people. And that's happened in

655
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: my lifetime, let alone yours. So if we're wrong about that,

656
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: could we be wrong about the environment, maybe to some degree.

657
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: But again the extremism of Grete Thurnberg versus the extremism

658
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: of people saying it everything is fine. There's some sort

659
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: of truth in the middle. Coming up at ten oh seven,

660
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: Chuck Lorie's the chair of the Greater Cincinnati Earth Coalition.

661
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: We'll debate this coming up at that ten oh seven

662
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: this morning here in the Scots Loan Show on seven

663
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: hundred WLW. And well, as I said too, we'll keep

664
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: an eye on the markets. We have that coming out.

665
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: I also want to get into at ten thirty five

666
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: this morning. I had a discussion yesterday about this time

667
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: with Anna Alby, council member friend of mine. I like

668
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: Anne a lot. We have now caught the two individuals

669
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: most likely responsible for the nine people being shot Saturday

670
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: night in Cincinnati on Kellogg Avenue at the club thirty

671
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: five hundred people there clowns walk in with guns and

672
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: started shooting. I made a prediction, a bold prediction with her,

673
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: and we'll get into that at ten thirty five this

674
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: morning and examine what's really wrong here when it comes

675
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: to our laws and guns and the like. So we

676
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: got that coming up. Lots to do this morning on

677
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: this very busy Tuesday here with the this moving in

678
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: full forecast here, it's again it's just going to go.

679
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: It's going to rain forever. It looks like at this

680
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: point we'll find out.

681
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,479
Speaker 1: We'll get that in and then I said Chuck Lourie

682
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: coming up from the Greater Cincinnati Earth Coalition at ten

683
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: oh six on the Scott Sloan Show, seven hundred ww

684
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: becomes so polarized.

685
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: You're just the environment, right.

686
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: We all like to go outside and bread, clean air,

687
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: go to the parks, whoever it might be. If you're

688
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: great at Thurnberg, I'm not trying to hear you. The

689
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: world isn't going to end before the season finale of Surviving. Likewise,

690
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: if I don't know they're the Cook brothers, for example,

691
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: the size is pretty clear. The planet is changing. I mean,

692
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: you got oil money trying to predict your investments. And

693
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: then I get while you're trying to convince me, and

694
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: you know, seeding people who will be your mouth piece.

695
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: I understand, I know the world works, but you know,

696
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: as always, the truth is in between the extremes. To

697
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: answer that question is Chuck Laurie. Chuck is the chair

698
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: of the Greater Cincinnati Earth Coalition. Earth Day, of course,

699
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: is approaching, I think next month. Chuck, welcome, How are you.

700
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 4: I'm doing great, Thanks too much for having me.

701
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

702
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: The problem is, and I guess because you've been in

703
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: this for a long time, you have people who absolutely

704
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: want to change the planet overnight. If they're up to them,

705
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: they would get rid of all fossil fuels immediately.

706
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: Somehow, I don't know how you do that.

707
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: On the other hand, people saying everything's fine, little sort

708
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: itself out, which we've got to be better stewards the planet,

709
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: for sure. But how did Earth Day or the environmental

710
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: how did this become in conservation all that stuff and

711
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: climate change? How did it get so polarized? How did

712
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: we get to the point today where we don't even

713
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: hear each other.

714
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 4: Well, that's a good question. Luckily we don't have that

715
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 4: much of the polarization here in Cincinnati.

716
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 2: Do you have a sense of like, we care, but

717
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 2: we can only do so much.

718
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 4: Every little bit helps.

719
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 6: It's a lot of initiatives. I mean, something that the

720
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 6: city's focused on is just reducing food waste. You know,

721
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 6: thirty percent of waste that goes into the landfill is

722
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 6: food which can be recycled. You know, some of these

723
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 6: things make just common sense.

724
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember touring, I said, a volunteering are some

725
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: Matthew twenty five minut ministries a few years ago, and

726
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: it was remarkable to me, Chuck that if you go

727
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: in there and there's a lot of clothes and sundryes

728
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: and things like that, but sample products from P and

729
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: G for example, like I don't know, sunscreen, let's say,

730
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: or the Campbell soup company, if the label was crooked

731
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: on a can of soup, they couldn't sell it. It's

732
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: something they want to the law says, you can't sell it. See,

733
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: you had all these Kansas soup they're perfectly find that

734
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: in the past would have ended up in a landfill.

735
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: Ditto for the sunscreen and all these other products, and

736
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: instead Matthew twenty five ships it to war torn or

737
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: natural disaster stricken countries to help people there along with

738
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: the clothes like Sintas may have a misprint on a

739
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: logo on a shirt or a name tag that would

740
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: end up in a landfill. Usually they do a wonderful

741
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: job of this, And I know that's something when it

742
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: comes to environment and helping people, helping mankind, And you're

743
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: right about that. It's like, well that's common sense stuff.

744
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: You know, the food waste restaurants throw a ton of

745
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: food away? Could that be better suited to going to

746
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: homeless shelf because I know there's a lot of other

747
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: there's organizations to do that in Cincinnati, but do it

748
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: on a bigger scale. Stuff like that, Like sometimes the

749
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: laws and health code and are in direct conflict with this.

750
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: And that's just all common sense slam dun stuff that

751
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: Whether you believe in climate change or you think it's

752
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: all made up, I think we all agree on that.

753
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: That's a good idea.

754
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and the city has just rolled out composting

755
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 4: bends all throughout the city in each each of the

756
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 4: fifty two neighborhoods. I just got one here at Mount

757
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 4: Storm Park in Clifton, so you just it's free for

758
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 4: three months. You just get called up. Sign up gets

759
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 4: your code and you can put your composed of food

760
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 4: waste in there, and.

761
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: Then you turn that into what mult right you could

762
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: throw out your garden or on your lawn.

763
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 4: It's the common orchard. Try Projeck here in Cincinnati turns

764
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 4: it into multi and then they sell that. And but

765
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 4: it's a terrific process. And I'd like everybody to check

766
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 4: out the Common Orchards project dot org and and make

767
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 4: this composting test of success for these first three months.

768
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: I tried that years and years ago, and I was

769
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: really I was really bad at it. It seems like

770
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: it should be pretty easy, but I struggled mightily with it.

771
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: Chuck like I put, I forget it so long ago

772
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: I forgot. But I was like, Okay, guy got some

773
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: leaves in the yard and I did that. You put

774
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: layers in the whole thing, and I think it's still

775
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: sitting there. I don't think it's compost at all. I

776
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: think Mother Nature hates me.

777
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sure it's composted by now. But it's easy

778
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 4: to do. Just coffee grounds, food waste, just take. Don't

779
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 4: put cape in there. And cardboard is great, you know,

780
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 4: you just layer it, h give it a try. All

781
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 4: the instructions are on the bend, you'll see them. They're

782
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 4: all around the city.

783
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, they've made it much easier. I think it

784
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: accessible for people too. There's I think the problem with

785
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: the divide we have with environmentalism and it's become so polarized,

786
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: is there's friction points. Right, there's like a small inconvenience

787
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: that stop people from taking action even they want to do.

788
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: You see that around here a lot.

789
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: I mean I mentioned the difficulties or at least in

790
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: my mind, with composting, it's kind of a small step.

791
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: I got to throw stuff out anyway? Why not to

792
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: do that? But it's like, wow, it didn't work for me.

793
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: Are there other friction points like that to just prevent

794
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: people from from being better about it?

795
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 4: Well, riding a bicycle the Queen City Trails has created

796
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 4: a great matrix of bikeable paths, you know, the the

797
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 4: bike paths along Central Parkway just removes that barrier that

798
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 4: it's dangerous to interface with cars. Now you have your

799
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 4: own bike lane. Well.

800
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: I also think though too, that you know you want

801
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: to go to work? Do you want to? I mean

802
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: there's some days where it's absolutely beautiful. Love to ride

803
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: my bike, but you know, for most of the weather

804
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 1: we just had over the winter, and then of course

805
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: the summer is brutally hot as well.

806
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 2: For a lot of people. That's a turn off.

807
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 4: Well starting little little parts, you know, just bike when

808
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 4: you can, so they we've got great bike trails to

809
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 4: do that.

810
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: What about topping off your gas. I'm a topper, Chuck,

811
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I know it's just signs

812
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: up all of it. Don't top off your field. I

813
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: got to hit that number exactly on the gas pump.

814
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: I'm a bad person, right.

815
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 4: I think they're saying, don't fill up after sunset or

816
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 4: you know, try to fill up after sunset when the

817
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 4: emissions aren't going to be that large and the.

818
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: Lines are shorter there too. I got to hit that

819
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: exact number. If it's like, you know, fifty bucks, I

820
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: got to hit fifty bucks on those. Otherwise I got

821
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: to go up to fifty one.

822
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 2: It drives me. The OCD is real in my life.

823
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: He's Chuck Laurier at the Greater Cincinnati Earth Coalition and

824
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: talking about how we got so divided. Whether you're either

825
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: on the Greta Thurnberg side or the Hey it's all

826
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: a lie and it's all made up and it's all

827
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: politics side. There's no oxygen left in the room to say, hey,

828
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: could we be better at protecting the environment. I think

829
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: the other element here too that gets lost, Chuck, is

830
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: we also have to recognize we live here and now

831
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: and today that with the debate over fossil fuels, for example,

832
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: oil is going to be around. We're going to be

833
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: dependent on for our lifetimes and probably the next couple

834
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: of lifetimes. It's just the way it is, you know.

835
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: I think people say we've got to do more in America.

836
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: Maybe it's more the little things like you're talking about,

837
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: but the big seismic changes in switching all over to

838
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: solar and wind and renewables.

839
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 2: Is a tough ask.

840
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: Is it reasonable to admit as an environmental It's like,

841
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, the people who want to do this overnight

842
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: are equally out of their minds.

843
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 4: Well, it's not going to be done overnight. I mean

844
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 4: it's a small smalls you know, put solar on your apps,

845
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 4: driving an electric car are both becoming less expensive and

846
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 4: that'll really drive it.

847
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: But the problem with evs of course it still depends

848
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: on fossil fuel to charge that vehicle.

849
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 4: Well, the city Cincinnati is invested in a lot in

850
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 4: some solar arrays. You know, twenty percent of the city's

851
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 4: electricity comes from their solar array. It's a lot of

852
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 4: small bites of the apple.

853
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, that makes sense. If you can convert

854
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: solar to energy, I mean, do it. And it's because

855
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: the technology are getting better. It's not something that's going

856
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: to happen overnight. And we also have to consider we

857
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: live in America. When you talk about what's happening here,

858
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: I think we're much better environmental stewards. And let's say

859
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: China or India for sure, and that's the problem. We've

860
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: got to compete with their economies. I think that's a

861
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: realism that some environmentalists don't want to recognize it. It

862
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: should be more on us. But if they're not doing it,

863
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: if they're not leaning into it, can what we do

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Speaker 1: here offset that?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely? You know, we we have the Cincinnati recycling

866
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Speaker 4: and reuse of you know, you can recycle every type

867
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Speaker 4: of plastic at the Hub. It's it's an amazing resource

868
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 4: and literally everything even your genes and aluminum foil. It's

869
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 4: all recyclable. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And that's the other thing to you here is that

871
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: sometimes if you put stuff in recycling container, which I recycle,

872
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: but there's been some studies, don't reports anyway that indicate

873
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: that maybe not all that stuff gets recycled, it just

874
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: gets thrown in the landfill anyway. Is that true or

875
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: is that Are we getting better at that at the

876
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: recycling end?

877
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 4: Oh not at all. You know you Rumpky loves to

878
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 4: give you tours. We were lucky to have Rumpy. They

879
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 4: have the best recycling program in the country. They take

880
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of stuff. The HUBB will

881
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 4: take the rest. Yes, it's important to know what you

882
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 4: can put in those recycling bends. You know it's not

883
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 4: with recycle, right, Don't put syrophoam in there because you

884
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 4: wish they could recycle it.

885
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: But if it has that little logo on it, does

886
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: that mean it's recyclable? You know, the little triangle made

887
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: with arrows. I thought that meant that's recyclable.

888
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 4: Only specific ones in the Rumpty bins. But the hub

889
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 4: they take all those all those numbers, and that is.

890
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: Again it's not one of those little hurdles, right, You

891
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: look at it going well, I don't know if Rumpky's

892
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: going to use this am I if I put you know,

893
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: Kroger bags in there, we can't recycle those because it

894
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: comes up the machine. But it seems like they change

895
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: the standards all the time, like they're getting better at

896
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Speaker 1: recycling different things. And I think that's one of those

897
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: roadblocks for people, right is like, Wow, you're you're overwhelming

898
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: with well this minutia. I want to do the right thing,

899
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: but you're making it more difficult. I mean, at some point,

900
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Speaker 1: hopefully we'll be able to throw all our trash and

901
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: I'll sort it all out using AI and lasers and

902
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 1: all this other cool technology, but we're.

903
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: Not there yet.

904
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Speaker 4: Well, other countries like Japan, it's the culture of recycling. Germany,

905
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Speaker 4: it's the culture. You go to the train station in Germany,

906
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 4: there's there's six different recycling bends, even for different colors

907
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 4: of blass. So it starts with the parents teaching the kids,

908
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 4: starts with the kids teaching the parents. But it is

909
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Speaker 4: an education.

910
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: Why do you think they lean into that more than

911
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: we do here because you have two recycling bins and

912
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: it's confusing. I'd stand there for a half hour fight,

913
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Speaker 1: had six trying to figure out which one to throw

914
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Speaker 1: it in.

915
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Speaker 2: I'll come there. It's more ingrained here, not so much.

916
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Speaker 4: Well, they it costs more. Gasoline costs more in Germany

917
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Speaker 4: and Japan, and you know, resources cost more. So it's

918
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Speaker 4: it's you know, we we were lucky here in the States.

919
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Speaker 4: They have huge you know, landfill pills, but as we

920
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Speaker 4: get more developed, that'll be uh, you know, I have

921
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Speaker 4: the same problems that Japan and Germany do.

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Speaker 1: Chuck Laurie's here from the Greayer Cincinnati Earth Coalition. I'm

923
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Speaker 1: talking about common ground here between the Hey, the sky

924
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: is falling environmentalists and the sky is not falling deniers,

925
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Speaker 1: And it's those two entities. Take all the oxygen out

926
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Speaker 1: of the room, and there's little things you can do

927
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Speaker 1: to help, But how much is that really going to

928
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Speaker 1: move the needle? And it's a it's a good conversation

929
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Speaker 1: we're having here. We also as a state have a

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Speaker 1: complicated relationship with environmental regulation EPA and the like because

931
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Speaker 1: we have an energy history, we have a legislative history

932
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Speaker 1: with that. Is that hard to navigate here while still

933
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Speaker 1: making progress at the local level.

934
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Speaker 4: Well, the bio environmental Council lobbies the legislature to help

935
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Speaker 4: make it easier for like two houses to get together

936
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Speaker 4: and put solar panels that both houses share. You know,

937
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 4: one state is recently adopted where you could just plug

938
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Speaker 4: a solar panel into the outlet into your house. If

939
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Speaker 4: your power goes out, at least you've got you can

940
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Speaker 4: power your computer. Yeah, so little things like that, Ohio

941
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Speaker 4: Environmental Council is lobbying for. You know. The other thing

942
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Speaker 4: with the city is we have the twenty thirty pledge

943
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Speaker 4: by buildings. For example, the Contemporary Art Center downtown is

944
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Speaker 4: made of pledge to reduce energy use by fifty twenty thirty.

945
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Speaker 1: Chuck Laurie, are you concerned about AI farms and the

946
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: light going and what's the environmental concern?

947
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Speaker 4: Then? Well, like any energy use, that really should cost

948
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Speaker 4: the people that use the energy the money to get

949
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Speaker 4: the environment back to the way it was. You know,

950
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Speaker 4: we it's going to burn fossil carbon. You need to

951
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 4: be responsible for the decrimental effects of fossil carbon. Why

952
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 4: can't we just charge? What can we just do that

953
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Speaker 4: put the environment back to the way we found it?

954
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Speaker 1: Well, because I mean just by walking in the forest,

955
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Speaker 1: you're damaging the environment. I guess, I mean, how how

956
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: pristine can we go back? I also look at the

957
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: past two Oh yeah, go ahead, what's that.

958
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Speaker 4: I don't think walking in the forest is exactly well, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, what I'm saying is you leave a footprint, right,

960
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Speaker 1: I mean, as a former Scout of scouter, you know,

961
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Speaker 1: we find the campsite, we leave the campsite better than

962
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Speaker 1: we found it, but there's still evidence that you were there.

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Speaker 1: I guess, I guess, how pristine do you want to

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Speaker 1: make it when you go just by us existing, we

965
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Speaker 1: damage the environment?

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Speaker 4: Well, that's true, nine billion people, it's a lot of

967
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Speaker 4: a lot of effects.

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Speaker 2: At a lot of footprints, a lot of footprints.

969
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 4: You got to work cut out for.

970
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 2: Where where's the environmental where's the environmental movement? Now?

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Speaker 1: Chuck on nuclear I think that's one. You know, I'm

972
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Speaker 1: curious your take on this one is environmentalists that you

973
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Speaker 1: know back in the day, and I was young, and

974
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Speaker 1: I was a kid then I remember fighting over three

975
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: mile island approach and no nukes, no nukes, no nukes.

976
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Speaker 1: And now we look at it, gone, well, boy, that's

977
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: a much cleaner alternative than than fossil fuel. For sure,

978
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Speaker 1: maybe not as good as solar and wind, but that's

979
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: limited in scales what you can do with that, whereas

980
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: nuclear it's pretty good. You mentioned these companies, and then

981
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: we're moving towards putting small nuclear reactors in and around

982
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: these things so they can power themselves. Do you think

983
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: that was a missed opportunity back in the day that

984
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: we maybe should not have protested so much about that.

985
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: Not that you were part of that, but I think

986
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Speaker 1: as environmentalists, I love your take on it.

987
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 4: Well, once again, if you're going to have create energy,

988
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 4: you need to be responsible for the environmental harm that

989
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 4: it causes. I mean, we we need the natural environment.

990
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 4: We're part of the natural environment.

991
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 2: Oh we have to lose your.

992
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 4: So nuclear energy may have to cast more, just like

993
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 4: the pots and fossil fuels. It's going to cost. What

994
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 4: is making solar panels? Is it degrades the environment as well. Sure,

995
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 4: we need to make energy more expensive so people will

996
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 4: use less of it. It's really it's kind of our problem,

997
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 4: you know.

998
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: Well, I suppose, but we also we also like things

999
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: and we produce things. That means jobs, and now that's

1000
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: at odds with the economy. So if you make energy

1001
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: so cost prohibitive, that it's so limited and so used.

1002
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: Doesn't that doesn't that hurt the human condition?

1003
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 4: No? Others, like I said, Germany and Japan, they deal

1004
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 4: with it, you know. It's it's maybe they have but

1005
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 4: a lot higher leg regulatory burdens than the US does.

1006
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but lucky, Yeah, well we are lucky.

1007
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: But but you look at our again here in America,

1008
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: it's about now we're a consumer driven economy and the

1009
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: GDP means I think to a lot of people, probably

1010
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: a lot more of the environment, and that that's probably

1011
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: news you don't want to hear. But I guess that's

1012
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: a reality. I don't know if that changes. He's Chuck Loria,

1013
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: the chair of a Greater Cincinnati Earth Coalition, the gdc

1014
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Speaker 1: e C.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for the time. Chuck enjoyed the conversation.

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Speaker 2: Be well.

1017
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, the hardline reality is that we have to live

1018
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: on this planet. We are going to make a footprint

1019
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: no matter how lightly we tread. We also have to

1020
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: exist today and we are married, of course to fossil

1021
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: fuels for the time being, for our lifetime and our kids'

1022
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Speaker 1: life and probably a great grandkids time for that matter.

1023
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: Another hundred plus years. In that regard, though, can we

1024
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: do better? Sure, we should always be doing better. However,

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Speaker 1: we do have the reality of the gross domestic product,

1026
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: and what we don't want to do is energy so

1027
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: expensive it causes our economy to collapse.

1028
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: It causes us to lose jobs.

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00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: That doesn't improve quality of love as a matter of fact,

1030
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: and make a case that environmentalism goes out the window

1031
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: when you are trying to lift yourself up. Look at

1032
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: developing economies and that's what's happening. In developing economies. They

1033
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: don't care about the environment because they're trying to live

1034
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: to tomorrow. So they're not generally good, so they're not recycling.

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Speaker 1: When you're living hand to mouth, that is a luxury

1036
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 1: for first world countries. You don't want to slip backwards.

1037
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Speaker 1: Scott Sloan, seven hundred word.

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Speaker 7: Some scientists believe early Man began speaking between fifty thousand

1039
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Speaker 7: and two million years ago to teach each other how

1040
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Speaker 7: to make stone tools.

1041
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Speaker 8: Oh what rods of zud? Stupid rock grilled not drill holes.

1042
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Speaker 4: Drill is electric. We don't have electricity yet. A shried

1043
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Speaker 4: pottery drill.

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Speaker 1: Sides Scott Sloan show. This is seven hundred WLW. Two

1052
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Speaker 1: men arrested in the Riverfront live mass shooting. You're not

1053
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: gonna believe this. They are already banned from having guns.

1054
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 1: How is this possible? How?

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Speaker 2: So big question? Why the system let them walk? Yesterday?

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Speaker 1: I had anna all be on with me, council member,

1057
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Speaker 1: I'll be and we're discussing the case, the investigation, and

1058
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: of course did so before we knew who they were.

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00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 2: I don't know how you couldn't see this coming with.

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Speaker 9: Something like this. It truly leads me, you know, a

1061
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 9: little speechless almost because to your point, there were security

1062
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 9: guards inside, there was a police detail outside, there was

1063
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 9: you know, metal detectors. So at some point we have

1064
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 9: to say, come on, like, we need responsible gun owners.

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Speaker 9: We need people who know how to deal with their

1066
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Speaker 9: issues without pulling out a deadly weapon.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm a gunner. Ninety nine percent of people are

1068
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Speaker 1: law abiding gun owners. This isn't someone being responsible or irrespond.

1069
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Speaker 1: This is just someone who has a gun and uses

1070
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: an extension to settle beefs. Basically, you know a man

1071
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: child or woman child. Generally it's a man child that

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00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: this has nothing new with gun owners, a responsible gunnership.

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Speaker 1: This And I'll go on record as saying I'm going

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Speaker 1: to I'm gonna bet the person that let that place

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Speaker 1: up on Saturday probably was restricted from having a handgun

1076
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Speaker 1: because of prior felonies. I will in the bet that

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00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: that person had a handgun under disability.

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Speaker 9: I don't know that that's information that's still, you know,

1079
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 9: under investigation.

1080
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: I say, I don't know either, but I'm gonna bet

1081
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna bet that that person should.

1082
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 2: Not have had a gun.

1083
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 9: Maybe that's true.

1084
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 2: It was one hundred percent.

1085
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: So the Riverfront live shooting nine people shot, six men,

1086
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: three women, private party, two guys arrested. Fernique Cobb who's

1087
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: twenty four and twenty an annear old Derek Long, both

1088
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: faithful onlys assault charges. Here's the detail that should if

1089
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: it hasn't stopped in your tracks already. Both men are

1090
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: ready legally prohibited from having fire arms. Both had previous

1091
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: convictions for weapons under disability. Both knew they weren't supposed

1092
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,959
Speaker 1: to have a gun, Both were told by the court,

1093
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 1: you can have one. Both had one anyway in our system.

1094
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: The system is.

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00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: Supposed to stop this exactly through all these laws. Already

1096
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: had multiple chances to get it right, not once, not twice,

1097
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: at least three times, and they still screwed it up.

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00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: This isn't about one bad night in Cincinnati, a bad

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00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: night at Riverfront Life. This is about a justice system

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00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: in Hamlin County and in the City of Cincinnati that

1101
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: has been warned, begged, and pleaded with to get serious

1102
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: about these repeat offenders and repeatedly chosen not to. And

1103
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: the people who think that we ought to give them

1104
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: another chance get reappointed and reelected.

1105
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 2: So this is what you.

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00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: Get as a law abiding gun owner. I'm ready to

1107
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: become a non lawbiding gun owner because you're not supposed

1108
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: to bring a gun into the premises of Riverfront Life.

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00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to bring a gun into places where

1110
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: you shootings, and these people do it anyway. If the

1111
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 1: idea is and you feel so concerned about your personal

1112
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: safety and the safety of those around you, including your

1113
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: loved ones, especially let alone bystanders. It's almost like, well,

1114
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: they're about gun crimes, so I should just bring mine

1115
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 1: with me because knucklehead may do something stupid. You know,

1116
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: you may not like guns and despise guns. That's not

1117
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: the reality. The reality is things like this make you

1118
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: want to carry more, not less, not lock your gun

1119
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: up in a car and a lock box to go

1120
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: on a venue where the social predators out there like

1121
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: these two reign with impunity because they know, hey, I'm

1122
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 1: not allowed to have a gun here. They got one

1123
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: in any way, despite metal detectors and everything else, and

1124
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: that's where the investigation will be focused on. It makes

1125
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: us infuriating that we've had this exact same conversation I

1126
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: had with analyob yesterday, to the point where you can

1127
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: predict that the people who are doing this stuff shouldn't

1128
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,240
Speaker 1: have access to guns, but did the many way, despite

1129
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: all these laws they want to pass, despite Democrats and

1130
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: Congress in particular talking about how we need more gun laws,

1131
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 1: we didn't enforce the laws we have. Well, you can't

1132
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: do that because you victimize these people then why have

1133
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: laws anyway? If someone's going to get it's not a victim,

1134
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,720
Speaker 1: You're not a victim. If you're perpetuating violence, that doesn't

1135
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: make you a victim. I don't care about your your

1136
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: social background, your upbringing, quality of life. All that stuff

1137
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: is important when their children, okay, both. The minute you

1138
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: pick up a firearm and commission of a felony and

1139
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: do it several times, I'm sorry.

1140
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 2: I don't have any more.

1141
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: Empathy for you in your upbringing, what happened in your

1142
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: life to get to the spot. All I care about

1143
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: is getting you off the street and putting it behind

1144
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: bars before you kill another innocent person.

1145
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 2: The Patrin Herringer.

1146
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: Murder after the brawl, right after Kashanda Winn was shot

1147
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: in the back as an innocent bystanderd OTR. We had

1148
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: a summer of shootings and had residents and business owners

1149
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: literally at what's end.

1150
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: And after all that, the Hamlin County.

1151
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: Association Chiefs of Police took the step extraordinary step of

1152
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: publicly calling for a stakeholder roundtable cops, prosecutors, officials, judges, citizens, moms, dads,

1153
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: grandma's and grandpa's to get together to talk about how

1154
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: armed violent defenders keep cycling through the system back on

1155
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: the streets.

1156
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: Judges refused to come.

1157
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: You know the idea that, well, we can't because we

1158
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: have to maintain impartiality. That's not the answer. Not hey,

1159
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: well you know, we'll send a representative. Let's find a

1160
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: format that works as like, hey, not our problem, right,

1161
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: not our pony, not our circus. And meanwhile, you got

1162
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: residents in the West End talking about up to sixty

1163
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: shots fired on Clark Streak in a single night.

1164
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: We saw the problem with with with privy that goes on.

1165
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: And we all know and they were warned that this

1166
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: keeps and it just keeps coming. And then we're not

1167
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: even a summer yet. Man, what do you think is

1168
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: going to happen this summer? You should have a reasonable fear.

1169
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to fear monger. I'm just being a

1170
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: reality monger.

1171
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: I guess.

1172
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: In the court rooms, it's the problem judges like Sammy

1173
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: silversk She last year walked off the bench with a

1174
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: dispute over a prosecutor or a bond and then issued

1175
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: an order saying no one is allowed to object to

1176
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: a bond rule, no ob Jackson's the bond and accord hearing.

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00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: In a criminal case. What if we were this case.

1178
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: Montesa Merriweather convicted felon, bonded out on the weapons disability charge,

1179
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: and then participated in the violent downtown brawd that went viral.

1180
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: They said they had him on a gun charge. You

1181
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: let him walk. That's the ecosystem that Frinny Cobb and

1182
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: Derek Long moved through. It's all of this. You know

1183
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna have criminals. You're gonna have people like Cobb

1184
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: and Long and Merriweather, and you can go on and

1185
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: on and on with the names. That doesn't matter. It's

1186
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: a system that allows this. Sarah Herringer had been saying

1187
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: for months, and she's right. Her husband Patrick was killed

1188
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: by the man who caught off his ankle monitor. The

1189
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: state knew they had a warrant. Mordecai Black spent the

1190
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: next three months on a little one man crime spree,

1191
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: broke into his girlfriend's apartment, trespassed, and then stabbed Patrick

1192
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: Herndon to death in his own home at OTR four

1193
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning. You know, Cobb and Long were

1194
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: not ankle monitors, but the principle is the same. The

1195
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: tools exists to tract dangerous people, and the political will

1196
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: to use it aggressively consistently does not. Not in Columbus,

1197
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: down Hamilton County, not in Cincinnati. Nine people were shot

1198
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: at Riverfront Live on Saturday. These two clowns that got

1199
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: arrested and criminal records should have made it nearly impossible

1200
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: for them to access firearms.

1201
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 2: They got them anyway.

1202
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: So to talk about responsible gun ownership and responsible gun

1203
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: owners I'm done with the platitudes. The system had multiple

1204
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: times to intervene here, multiple intervention points, conviction sentences. They've

1205
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: been in the system time and time again, and each

1206
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: one it shows, well, we'll just go with the lighter

1207
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: option here. We don't want to stigmatize people. Then okay,

1208
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: you're accepting death and mayhem. You're accepting events like what

1209
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: happened on Saturday night. Hamilin County has accepted. That's just

1210
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: part of it. Because we don't want to get serious

1211
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: about the laws we have, So don't bloviate about how

1212
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: we need more laws.

1213
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 2: We need to be straight. It's responsible gunners and lock

1214
01:00:58,760 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 2: your guns.

1215
01:00:59,200 --> 01:00:59,439
Speaker 4: Stop.

1216
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm done with it, are you? I'm done with it. It's nonsense.

1217
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 1: It's just hot air. It doesn't mean anything. Hamlet County

1218
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: judges won't sit at a table with the chiefs of

1219
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: police discussed the problem. They already said, Hey, we're out

1220
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: of this. Nope, nope, we're not going to do this.

1221
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: We're closing up probation offices. Right, yeah, we're going to

1222
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna go, oh yeah, we're going to condense the

1223
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: probation All okay, great, you don't need neighborhood probation office anymore.

1224
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: Supervision is shrinking. We're spending four hundred thousand dollars a

1225
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: year in a curfew center that served for four people.

1226
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: It's not a question whether the system failed this weekend,

1227
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: because it did. The question is whether anyone in a

1228
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: position of authority in Hamlin County wants to have an

1229
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: honest conversation about why, particularly judges and the people keep

1230
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: showing up in our courtrooms getting lighter sentences. Yeah, I promise,

1231
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to get a job. But yeah, I'm going

1232
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: to report to my parole officer. Of course, I'm not

1233
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: going to touch a gun. This guy that shot the

1234
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: place up Saturday night literally was out of prison for

1235
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: fourteen minutes or something. It's insane. He walked out with

1236
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: his papers, you know, like shawsh aink redemption. Okay, well,

1237
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: walk right in, got a gun and started shooting a

1238
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: bar up. And here's the thing, this isn't like okay,

1239
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: it's just ref raff gang members shooting game members kind

1240
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: of thing. Nine people to concert venue. Nine innocent people

1241
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: largely paid for this neglect with their blood. Their blood

1242
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: is on the hands of these judges, and they're handwringing

1243
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: policies that just encourage more of this to happen. Yeah,

1244
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: we'll take your word for quit taking their word for it.

1245
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: You know, at the point where you pick up a

1246
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: gun and commission of a crime, you made a decision.

1247
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: You made a conscious decision as a most likely young

1248
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: adult to cross a threshold of which there's no going back.

1249
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: Five one, three, seven, four, nine, eight hundred the Big

1250
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: One talk Back iHeartRadio app. You know, there's something like

1251
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: what four hundred million guns in this country. And the

1252
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: guns themselves, we know, they're inanimate objects. They don't cause disputes,

1253
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: but it raises the stakes when the dispute happens. Okay,

1254
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: we got a lot of guns on the streets. The

1255
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: guns don't create the conflict, but it removes a a

1256
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: natural ceiling on what would be consequences, and you know,

1257
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: Anna Alby mentioned that she was speechless and mentioned, you know, okay,

1258
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: there's got to be better ways to resolve issues. You're

1259
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: she's right, right, But in the past, we had kind

1260
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: of like informal structures that afforded that some people, and

1261
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: I don't always dis agree with this, but that is,

1262
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, we need more church.

1263
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 2: You need to go to church. You got to go

1264
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 2: to church.

1265
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: We had churches, We had extended families, we had neighborhood elders,

1266
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: we had you know, community organization stuff like that, and

1267
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: they would mediate the disputes before they got to points

1268
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: like this. Well, you know, society changed and we kind

1269
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: of lost that and now we're in this hole.

1270
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 2: And I think digital has a lot to do this.

1271
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: Everyone's their own brand and we're told, you know, you're special,

1272
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: you're snowflake, You're unlike everyone else, You're you're empowering, believe

1273
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: in you, no one else is, and so you feel

1274
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: like it's you against the world. We have a dignity culture, Okay,

1275
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: we used to, I guess we used to have a

1276
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: culture with center around digging, where you know, you kind

1277
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: of ignore minor slights and the big problems that you

1278
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: would settle, you'd mediate with those parties that I mentioned,

1279
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: with neighborhood helders or whatever it might be. And now

1280
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: we have this whole honor culture because we've elevated the person,

1281
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: the individual, and the special. We got to make you

1282
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: feel so good about yourself that you're the only thing

1283
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: in the world that matters.

1284
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 10: It's you.

1285
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: No one can tell you about you.

1286
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 3: We learn.

1287
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: There's commercials I see all the time about this right

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Speaker 1: about you know, affirmation and things like oh well and good.

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Speaker 1: But when you tell someone they're special, you're also telling

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Speaker 1: them that they're the only thing that matters in the world.

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Speaker 1: And so we've gone from this dignity to like an

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Speaker 1: honor culture now, and which would also call a victimhood

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01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: culture because the same folks can't be told no because

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01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 1: they see that as disrespect in an affront to them.

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01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: Like we can disagree, No, we can't. I'm one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent right, you know, the old Uh it's become it's

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Speaker 1: cliche now, but sit you know what is it? The

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Speaker 1: safe spots on campus? Right, I'm allowed to use my

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Speaker 1: First Amendment rights, but don't you dare challenge me. Yeah,

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01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't work that way. It doesn't work that way, snowflake.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: So everyone's a victimhood, everyone's a victim in this case,

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01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: and the biggest percentage of shootings probably like this one

1304
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 1: start his arguments over something trivial, something stupid, And that

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01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: code shows that law enforcement is distrusted, that social status

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01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: is the only real currency, and the willing to see

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01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: is violence becomes a survival instinct, and social media has

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01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: just made this far and far worse. At five three,

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Speaker 1: seven hundred, the Big One. Let me go do a

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Speaker 1: bill in Westwood on the Scott Sloan show, Bill Morning.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, young man.

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Speaker 3: How are you today?

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01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:50,919
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. What's up?

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01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 5: You mentioned the fact that the judges aren't doing their jobs.

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01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 5: That's because Mayor Pure of All, when he was a

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01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 5: clerk of courts, told them that if they went with

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01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 5: high cash bail or heavy sentences, they would be primary.

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01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 5: So no one wants to be primary, so they just

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01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 5: went low. You have people who don't want large portions

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01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 5: of the city or their favorite voting demographics put in

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01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 5: prison because you're going to make their friends and family

1323
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 5: mad at you, and they won't vote for you and

1324
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 5: you will lose political power. But what was really interesting

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01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 5: was when the city manager was bloviating on responsible gun ownership.

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01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 5: And now that it turns out that these two guys

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01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 5: were both mellons and having firearms under disability, I wonder

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01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 5: if she's going to come out and take the proverbial

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01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 5: banana cream pie in the face.

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Speaker 1: No, and no, there'll be no statement about this whatsoever.

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01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: No one will talk about this because it doesn't further

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01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: the argument. And that's the other part of the problem

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01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: is elected officials used to be a fountable to not

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01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: only the people that got them there, but also the

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01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: people who who voted against them and saying, hey, listen,

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01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: we have to do right by the community, or we

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01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: have to lift everyone up, not just a certain group.

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01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: It doesn't fit in the narrative and therefore we don't

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01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: discuss it. And that's true on the left as it

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Speaker 1: is the right.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 5: As a gun owner of some fifty years, none of

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01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 5: my firearms has ever gotten out and committed any times

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01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 5: or anything like that. I have, and you know, I'm

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01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 5: really grateful for that. But you know, if I wanted

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01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 5: to go to one of these venues, I wouldn't because

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01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 5: it's not safe. Therefore, my money stays in my pocket.

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01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 5: And you know I can stay home. I can stay home,

1349
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 5: go visit friends, watch you do, do whatever I need

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01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 5: to do without worrying about being shot. And eventually the

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01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 5: business people are.

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01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: Going to like complain, well, I you know, here's what

1353
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 1: I'll let you go. Sounds like you got water right,

1354
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: don't waste water? Please turn out water where you you're

1355
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: paying for that, or it's really raining out there somewhere

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01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: thanks to the call.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate.

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01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: But you know, as you get older and you called

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01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: me young man, and I'm old, So as you get older,

1360
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, the world shrinks, it does you know, you're

1361
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: not going to go out and do things like you

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01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 1: used to and run the streets and new experiences you

1363
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: tend to you know, you tend to be a homebody.

1364
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: So we're kind of like out of that demo that

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01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: they target. Anyway, I'm talking about younger folks. I'm talking

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01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: about gen z ors in particular, maybe younger millennials. Maybe not,

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01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: you're going to go out and do stuff. I like,

1368
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: still like to do cool stuff. I like to go

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01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 1: and catch new music. I like hip hop. I don't

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01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: think I would go to Cincinnati live unless I saw

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01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:36,520
Speaker 1: there someone there that I really wanted to see. But

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Speaker 1: you know, the problem, of course, is not that it's

1373
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: like I just choose to stay home. And you know,

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01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: if you're on you mentioned YouTube, social media, you're gonna

1375
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: get a steady diet because the algorithm is going to

1376
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 1: feed you a steady diet of things that just reinforce

1377
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: your worldview, which is going to make you maybe a

1378
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: little bit more scared.

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Speaker 2: I understand that, and that's how it works.

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Speaker 1: And that also adds in this the fuel of what

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01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: we're talking about here about the great social divide. But

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01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: the reality is like, if you're a judge and you

1383
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: don't want to engage in the probably make the process

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01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 1: better because you're fear you're going to lose your impartiality.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like that impartial right now? You know

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01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: we got to be impartial. Yeah, But from where I say,

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01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: you just keep catching people who are violating the laws

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01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 1: that you swore an oath to enforce, right, I mean,

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01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: that's what a judge does, rule guilty or innocent, and

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01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: you just turned the blind eye to going, Well, you're

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Speaker 1: going to promise not to do it again, right, Oh yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And if they do it over and over again, I

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01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: don't know what that has to do with In partiel,

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01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: it looks like you're incompetent, is what it is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's you know, peer

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01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: of not necessarily peer of all or all be or

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01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 1: any member of the council. It's not her. The problem

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01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: is the judges, and they don't want to be held accountable.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, because you know, when when people

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01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 1: are getting shot with think that as a judge, you

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01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: kind of want to make sure that doesn't happen again.

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01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 2: It makes you look bad. But in Cincinnati maybe not.

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01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: And where the political element comes as well, we have

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01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 1: this environment and these folks just keep getting re elected,

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01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: even by wider margins. So is this what the community is?

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01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: This what the city wants? It looks like they're getting it.

1407
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: But if you want to engage in society and be

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01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 1: part of it, and you have a concern that violence

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01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: could break out at any moment, then I think you

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01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: have every right according to the Constitution, to protect yourself

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01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: regardless what these laws are. I say, Okay, I'm a

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Speaker 1: law abiding gun owner that I'm neutered because I can't

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01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: bring it anywhere. That's not stopping these felons who get innout. Now,

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01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 1: I guarantee it. If it's you and you do it,

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01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 1: guess what they're going to make an example lot of you. Right,

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01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 1: here's a gun owner I can't seal. Okay, they shot

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01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: this person. It was a wrong shoot and they're gonna

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01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: make a big deal out of that. You're going to

1419
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: go to jail much longer than these two clowns who

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01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: shot up Revel Riverfront Live bar. That's not a good

1421
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: look for the city, does not make people want to

1422
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: come to downtown Cincinnati and spend their money.

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01:10:59,080 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 2: And that's the bottom line.

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01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: It's about money and small business and quality of life

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01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: and your undermining this whole thing. Got to get a

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Speaker 1: news update in more to follow Scottsland show seven hundred

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Speaker 1: WW since now EPEX hearing group in Montgomery and fight

1428
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 1: up literally across the Middle East, Bahrain saying they've down

1429
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 1: seventy three missiles and ninety one drowns.

1430
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 2: The embassy and Kuwait targeted by Iran.

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Speaker 1: Other embassies and other places inside the Middle East under

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01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 1: siege to some degree various degrees by Iran. And President

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01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 1: Trump announcing that we have a virtually unlimited supply of

1434
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: US munitions, and Iran has already been crippled in so

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01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: many shaped way shapes and formed. But of course this

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01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: is about regime change, and for the first time in

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01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: forty six years, we have a legitimate chance at regime

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01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: change in Iran, but we are bad at it historically

1439
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: here in America.

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01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 2: Where does this war go? Hongs at last, and what

1441
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 2: should the outcomes be.

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Speaker 1: Joining the show this morning is retired Major General Bob

1443
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: Dy's the United States Army. He commanded the US Israeli

1444
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: Combined Task for US for Missile Defense for some thirty

1445
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: years out the National Study National Center rather for healthy bets.

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Speaker 2: General D's welcome.

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01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 4: Oh, great to be with you, Scott, Thank you.

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01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 10: Thanks. As with all I know, we honor the service

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01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 10: of our military and their sacrifice, particularly those who've given

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01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 10: their lives, and we pray for God's comfort to their

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01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 10: families so they may illustrate self with service.

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Speaker 4: Amen.

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01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: The big question would be out is the aircraft that

1454
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: got shot down? The three F fifteens were shot down

1455
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: by Kuwaiti defenses. With technology, with our allies and especially

1456
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: with aircraft friendly fire seems like something that shouldn't happen,

1457
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 1: yet it does. Have we gotten better, We had to

1458
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: be much better than it used to be. But with

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01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 1: the technology out there, how's that happen?

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01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've done a lot better.

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Speaker 10: But when you talk about relationship between international forces that

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01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 10: haven't trained together with the aircraft and air defense in

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01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:55,719
Speaker 10: this manner before in a major way, then it happens

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01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:59,639
Speaker 10: fractor sides always tragic. Gratefully the pilots lived, and I'm

1465
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 10: sure this is a warning antidote to many people around

1466
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,480
Speaker 10: the region of these other nations.

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Speaker 4: That are we have a lot of US Air Force.

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Speaker 10: Other nations air force flying around. We need this identification

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01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 10: process needs to work much better than it did in

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Speaker 10: this case.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, we had nearly nine hundred strikes in twelve hours.

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Speaker 1: That seems to me to be an extraordinary operational tempo.

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01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: So from a military standpoint, page what does that tell

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Speaker 1: you the pace? What does that tell you about the

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01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,520
Speaker 1: planning timeline and the level of readiness and how preposition

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01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: we are for them?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well it's the Chairman of the Joint Chief Staff

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01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,600
Speaker 10: just recently said this morning, this is an unprecedented scale.

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01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 10: And I was in charge of the war plans in

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Speaker 10: the Pentagon in the late nineties. I know this particular

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01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 10: mission was part of the planning process back then. You know,

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01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 10: you plan against all sorts of contingencies, and so in

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01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 10: some cases the planning has gone on for decades, understanding

1484
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 10: the terrain and understanding the people. But then now the

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01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 10: integrate of all the technology we now have is critical,

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01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 10: and it's amazing, frankly to see once and again how

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01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 10: this integration has produced good results. Albeit this is a

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01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,560
Speaker 10: large conflict and we're going to see some loss of

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Speaker 10: lives as well.

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Speaker 2: This has been going on for forty seven years.

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Speaker 10: Why now, yeah, yeah, well it's just come to a

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01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 10: boiling point. You know, the Iranians, you try all elements

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Speaker 10: of national power. Regrettably, over the forty seven years since

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Speaker 10: the Islamic Revolution happened, we've never had anything decisive to

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01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 10: tell them to it's not healthy to say death to

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01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 10: America or death to Israel, and to promote terrorism and

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Speaker 10: continue to try to gain nuclear weapons and to empower

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01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 10: their surgus throughout the region, and then of recent to

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01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,799
Speaker 10: kill many of the innocent protesters within our inn itself.

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Speaker 10: So all of that brought it to a boiling point.

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Speaker 10: Our president and the administration worked hard on the negotiating side,

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Speaker 10: and it became obvious to really the whole world that

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Speaker 10: the Iranians were delaying and delaying and just trying to

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01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 10: play it out until they broke out with a nuclear weapon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the decision to strike in a daylight rather night,

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01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: to catch commanding the other senior officials together is described

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Speaker 1: as a like a tactic deliberate tactical surprise. That's a

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Speaker 1: pretty significant decision. And also that should tell you us

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Speaker 1: a lot. And you the quality of intelligence that drove

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Speaker 1: us from the.

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Speaker 4: CIA, Yeah, you're exactly right.

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Speaker 10: Well, the CIA and certainly the Israelis. Yeah, there was

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01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 10: a real time intelligence, no doubt that brought this the

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01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 10: timelines forward. That you take more risk when you do

1516
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 10: it in the day, but the element of surprise was

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01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 10: powerful and ineffective.

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Speaker 1: Iran fired nearly three hundred missiles, roughly three hundred missiles

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Speaker 1: I think in retaliation from their estimated stockpile. What's their

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01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 1: remaining cap of capability? How long can they sustain that

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01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 1: rate of fire?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's good questions, Scott. I don't know.

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Speaker 10: I doubt that the US military planners know that with precision.

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01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:19,480
Speaker 10: They have done this for decades, produce these ballistic missiles.

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01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 10: They probably have quite a few stockpiles left. The question

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01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 10: really is can they command and control that. Have we

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Speaker 10: knocked down enough of their three hundred missile launchers to

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01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 10: make it where they can't deliver the missiles. So I

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01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 10: imagine they have a huge stock pile. It's just but

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Speaker 10: that's not the.

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Speaker 4: Long pull in the tent. We need to get their launchers.

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Speaker 10: We need to disrupt their command and control, disrupt their intelligence,

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Speaker 10: their targeting capabilities.

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Speaker 4: And then that'll deny some of the use of those missiles.

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Speaker 1: I imagine this is just part of the first wave here.

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Speaker 1: Typically in a battle plan like this, general, how does

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01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 1: that plan? How I guess how deep in the deck

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01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:58,759
Speaker 1: do you wind up getting?

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01:16:58,760 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 4: Here?

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Speaker 1: You apply with paces out of our you know, President said,

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01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,759
Speaker 1: be prepared. This could go on for months. We're hoping days,

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01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 1: but it could be months, and I think maybe a

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01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: temper our expectations like that.

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01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 2: But how far out do you plan things like that?

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01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, you plan all sorts of eventualities and it's

1546
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 10: really condition based. So they'll start with a target set,

1547
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 10: they'll prosecute that the targets, and there were hundreds and

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01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 10: hundreds I'm sure of targets with all these resources that

1549
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 10: are employed. And then you do battle damage assessment and

1550
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 10: that's how effective was that particular strike. And based on

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01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 10: battle damage assessment, then you reattack or you say okay,

1552
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 10: let's move on to something else. And the tempo with

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01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 10: that with which that occurs technically takes will determine how

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01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:43,759
Speaker 10: long this conflict lasts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the straight of horror moves is already showing disruption

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01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 1: there in a shutdown. So from a strategic standpoint, how

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01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 1: serious is the threat of ranch shutting all that down

1558
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: or maybe putting placing minds and other things out there

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01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: to dissuade vessels from going in and out. And what

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01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: options of the navy has? All right, maybe you have

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01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 1: the counter that.

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01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's a very serious threat.

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01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 10: I mean, we obviously have mind sweepers and things, and

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01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 10: we're working that. We're trying to create ahead of time

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01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 10: preempt some of those. I know that we've already attacked

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01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 10: much of their naval capability. We taken down I think

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01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 10: to this point seven Iranian Navy ships and so forth.

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01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 10: I just read a report don't know the details. Electronic

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01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 10: warfare against ships and GPS signals in the strait suppor

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01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 10: moves also that could significantly disrupt the traffic going through.

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01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 10: So it is a strategic choke point. But it's a

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01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 10: mixed bag because if you knock out, if you close

1573
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 10: it totally, a lot of that oil is oil that's

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01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 10: being supplied to China and other nations, and so if

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01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 10: that's knocked out, then it many ways works to Iran's detriment.

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Speaker 1: He is a retired US Army Major General. Bob D's

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Speaker 1: on Scott Sloane Show on seven hundred wwe commanded the

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Speaker 1: US Israeli Task Force or Missile Defense and joins the

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01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: show with his insight on what's happening as we speak

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Speaker 1: right now. This is the largest regional military build up,

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01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 1: I believe since two thousand and three. A couple carrier groups,

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01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: a dozen destroyers, you've got air assets. Is that force

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01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: package that is sufficient enough for a sustained operation?

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01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 2: Do we have to call in more support?

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01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:23,759
Speaker 10: Well, I think it's a definite force package.

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Speaker 4: Now, what you have to realize.

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Speaker 10: Is that you've got forces from the United States, You've

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01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 10: got strategic command, you've got transportation command people that are

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01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 10: providing from the United States assets that provide aerial refueling

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01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 10: for many of the forces in region. We have long

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01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 10: range bombers that come out of the intal United States.

1593
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,719
Speaker 10: So yes, I think it's certainly enough in the region.

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01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 10: It's a real dense package of force of capability.

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01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 4: In the region.

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Speaker 10: But we're a global power and so a lot of

1597
01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:59,719
Speaker 10: the power comes from the United.

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01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:00,719
Speaker 4: States other places.

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Speaker 10: Also, other nations are starting to lend their support to

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01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,719
Speaker 10: include the Arab states that have been attacked by Iran

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01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 10: of recent right.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing too is I know Iran has

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01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: some paramilitary forces and they're just been described think as

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01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 1: the ace and a hole for unconventional warfare. So what

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01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: should our troops expect in terms of a proxy retaliation

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01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 1: or relatedvaliation involving allied parties from the Iranians both in

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Speaker 1: the region.

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Speaker 2: But what about here on US oil?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, Hezballah has already started knocking ascending rockets towards

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01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 10: Israel and there's an ongoing conflict on the northern nature

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01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 10: of Israel right now. Domestically, as you know, there was

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Speaker 10: a terrorism incident over the weekend in Austin, Texas.

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Speaker 4: Pretty unusual, they.

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Speaker 10: Say, terrorism incidents, suspected terrorism, and there'll be a lot

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01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 10: of lone wolfs like this, And with four years of

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01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 10: open border, there's probably a lot of valid sleeper cells

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Speaker 10: that are otent that rise up. If, as many Iranian

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Speaker 10: clerics say, this is an existential threat, this is the

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01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 10: end times, this would be the time they would pull

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01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 10: the trigger on all assets who are in the United

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01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 10: States as well as around the world.

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Speaker 1: Do you think by now we have a good handle

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01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: on who is here to do that kind of work

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01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,600
Speaker 1: from our intelligence in stateside?

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Speaker 4: I think absolutely we don't.

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01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 10: I saw the amount we've been into infiltrated before nine

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01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 10: to eleven in the sleeper cells, and now with the

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01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 10: open border in twenty years, hence there's a lot more

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01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 10: that are embedded in the United States.

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Speaker 4: So we.

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Speaker 10: Need to be on our toes. We're grateful for the

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Speaker 10: account intelligence efforts of the FBI, but we're pretty vulnerable

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01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 10: right now domestically as well as more domestically than we

1634
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Speaker 10: are internationally.

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Speaker 1: Frankly, yeah, I wonder, you know, trying to pull all

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01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 1: this stuff together. General D's and I tend to believe

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01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 1: in Ocham's razor, which basically leads the most common sense explanation,

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01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: usually the right one. And I don't want to give

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01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: elected officials and administrators administrative set too much credit here

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01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 1: for being long term planners or thinkers, because I don't

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01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:13,639
Speaker 1: think that's ever been the case. But in this regard,

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01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 1: I look at what happened with Maduro and Venezuela, and

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01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 1: that was a precursor. Allegedly to get well was to

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01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,600
Speaker 1: get rid of fentanyl, which really wasn't the day. We

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01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: got oil out of that. And in addition to that,

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Speaker 1: we also activated ICE, and their mobile eyes are going

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01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: around from Minnesota and elsewhere. It'd be much easier for

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01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: them to pivot to going from that kind of enforcement

1649
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: to terra cells and rooting those individuals out. But at

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01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 1: the same time, you're going to shut down the Straight

1651
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 1: of Hormuz here choking about about twenty percent of the

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01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:46,720
Speaker 1: world oil supply. Now we have a steady supply of

1653
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 1: Venezuela oil coming into this. I think those two things

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Speaker 1: with ICE but particular Venezuela, were pretext for this.

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01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure about the pretext for ICE.

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01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 10: I do think that these problems are not separable. A

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01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 10: lot of the ice operations are against people that are

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01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:10,719
Speaker 10: bad actors. Some have been bad actors in our potential

1659
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 10: terrorist threats, and so that'll be complementary. On the oil thing,

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01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 10: it's hard to figure out. You know, you can say

1661
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 10: America is just trying to get oil, but if you

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01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 10: go back, I know, my father in law was an

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01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 10: oil man in Venezuela a long time ago. Venezuela's can

1664
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 10: be a very productive country with a very productive oil economy,

1665
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 10: but the Maduro regime and previous had just disrupted all that.

1666
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:39,680
Speaker 10: So they were producing oil, but most of it was

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01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 10: going to corrupt means the who.

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Speaker 1: These have already demonstrated ability to strike our assets and

1669
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 1: survive sustained bombardment. That's another element here in country. How

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01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 1: significant is that threat to well carrier groups like the

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01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,759
Speaker 1: USS Abraham. I was on the Lincoln for a cruise,

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01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 1: the Abraham Lincoln and other naval assets in the region right.

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01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 4: Now, Well, it's a significant threat. Uh.

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01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 10: And they they they are right on the choke hold

1675
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 10: of the Straits of Horror moves there and so we

1676
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 10: got to continue to fight them. And it's certainly they're

1677
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 10: attacking Israel at times, but right now they're attacking American

1678
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:17,600
Speaker 10: assets in the region and particularly shipping lanes in the

1679
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 10: region these days, with guided missile capabilities. Uh, you know

1680
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 10: with uh, without a lot of effort, that they can

1681
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 10: produce some significant outcomes. And if it's in the Straits

1682
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 10: of Horror Moves. Now, if we have that going on there,

1683
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 10: now the shipping is set down, shut down. I understand

1684
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 10: they've already been attacking old tankers in the Straits of

1685
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 10: Horror Moves, so significant. Scott, Yeah, and Abraham Lincoln's the

1686
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 10: impressive now, yeah, it really is.

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Speaker 1: Those those carrier groups are amazing things when they get rolling. Uh,

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01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:51,679
Speaker 1: what is your threat assessment of Hesbala and they're.

1689
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 2: Rolling us.

1690
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:54,639
Speaker 4: Well? Uh.

1691
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Speaker 10: I think today the Israelis reported.

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01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 4: They they killed the.

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Speaker 10: Key has the leader, one of the main terrorist leaders there.

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Speaker 10: The Israelis will continue to attack that. A number of

1695
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 10: villages I think it's fifty villages in southern Lebanon have

1696
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 10: been directed to evacuate because Israelis could use ground operations

1697
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:17,560
Speaker 10: there to shut this down, and certainly they're doing air operations.

1698
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 10: When I was the commander of the Israeli Combined Task

1699
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 10: Force for Missile Defense, I mean we even from the

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Speaker 10: Beca Valley. Up at Lebanon, we had gliders that were

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01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 10: coming down and those are hard to pick up coming

1702
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 10: down men on gliders with bombs or terrace to intent

1703
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 10: and so the Israelis are good at this, but they're

1704
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 10: fighting on all fronts right north southeast above.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we got you got this three person transitional

1706
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 1: council because the head has been caught off and there's

1707
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: a lack of a clear command authority. Does that make

1708
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 1: things there for our troops more or less dangerous?

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01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 4: Well?

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01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 10: I think it's more dangerous because here you have a

1711
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 10: wounded animal, one that we always had malintent towards us,

1712
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 10: and now they're wounded and they're striking out and to

1713
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 10: shoot the ballistic missiles towards their Arab neighbors and then

1714
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:20,799
Speaker 10: claric towards US and civilian targets as well as military targets.

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01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 10: They are pretty desperate. And they may say that they

1716
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 10: have a three person ruling council, but with that type

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Speaker 10: of death and destruction at the top of their leadership,

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Speaker 10: I suspect it's very fragmented at best.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Revolutionary Guard, of course here is probably going

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01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 1: to try to consolidate power, because a full regime change

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01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 1: doesn't really seem likely. Plus we're also bad at regime

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01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 1: change here in the United States. We've talked about that.

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Speaker 1: If they do indeed emerged stronger of this whole thing,

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Speaker 1: is that a success or of failure.

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Speaker 10: Well, I think that would not be a success because,

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Speaker 10: as we say, this has gone on for forty seven years.

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Speaker 10: So we really do need to change the intent of

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Speaker 10: the nation of Iran from death to America, death Israel,

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01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 10: death to many others in the area, to one of

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Speaker 10: economic aiming economic prosperity and peaceful coalition in the region.

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Speaker 1: Trump said, the bombing will continue as long and necessary.

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Speaker 1: From your chair their general military planning standpoint, What does

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01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 1: that off ramp look like? I mean, what, how do

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01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 1: you declare, hey, victory, We're going to pull the hell

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Speaker 1: out of here. And how many weeks or months do

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Speaker 1: you think that takes?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, well I would say weeks, not months. Uh

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Speaker 10: And and I would say it all depends on what

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01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:46,680
Speaker 10: we see. If we see Iran continuing to shoot missiles

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01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 10: and and other things, you know, the naval and the

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01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 10: Straits of Hormos, we will pursue all of that until

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01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:58,759
Speaker 10: it's no longer about you know, a valt a threat

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01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 10: and that be depending upon the BDA, as I mentioned

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01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 10: the battle damage assessment and the overall campaign objectives, it

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01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 10: could be you know, a few weeks before that happens.

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Speaker 10: I don't think we're talking months though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 1: Is there back channels going on within that three member

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01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 1: panel to determine what leadership looks like? Is that something

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01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 1: that's negotiated or are we just completely obliterate them for

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01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 1: they cry uncle?

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01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 4: Well? I think it depends. We got to see that.

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01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:29,680
Speaker 10: Does this three member panel do they really speak for

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01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 10: the nation of our end? Are they really controlling the

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01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 10: IRGC or are they just puppets at this point in time?

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01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,719
Speaker 10: And and you know, if the IRGC is the one

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01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 10: calling the shots and continuing to find we need to

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01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 10: defeat them, if not destroy them, before this conflict is

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01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 10: properly ended.

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Speaker 2: All right, weeks not months is what you or guess

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01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 2: would be?

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01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: And informed one of that? And what the X how

1765
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:55,719
Speaker 1: we how we pull out of this thing looks entirely

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01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 1: different than what the aftermath is of course too, is

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01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 1: all in question. He is made your General US Army

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01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,839
Speaker 1: retired Bob D's He commanded the US is rarely combined

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Speaker 1: task force or missile defense back in the day now

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Speaker 1: at the National Center for Healthy Vests in Virginia.

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Speaker 2: General, thanks for the time. I appreciate We'll talk again soon. B.

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Speaker 4: Welsercot, thank you.

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Speaker 1: News update seconds away. Here the very latest now seventy

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01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 1: two hours into the fight, and this is rocking markets.

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Speaker 4: On that.

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Speaker 1: Andy Shaeffer from all Worth Financial joins the show next

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01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 1: to talk about the volatility, what's happening, where it's going

1778
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 1: to go, and and a little bit of calm for

1779
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 1: if you're worried about the gas price is going up

1780
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 1: the economy in particular, maybe your savings, if not, your

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01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: retirement plan, your far oh one K. He'll break it

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01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 1: down for you. Next, little little calming voice.

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01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 2: In the room for you.

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01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 1: Almost guarantee that with Andy Shaeffer. Right after news on

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Speaker 1: seven hundred W W. Scotts LUNCHA.

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Speaker 7: You need money, how to make it, how to keep it,

1787
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 7: and how to keep others off your stash.

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Speaker 2: This is all Worth Advice with Andy Shaeffer. Andy Schaeffer,

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Speaker 2: good morning.

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Speaker 1: I just wish there was more going on the world

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01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 1: to discuss when it comes to finances.

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01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you want to talk about this.

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01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 1: I want to talk about financial imageddon that's happening today.

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01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 2: That's what I want to talk about.

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01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 8: All right, we can do that. How do you want

1796
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 8: to start?

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01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:13,599
Speaker 2: No one listening is going to ever be able to retire.

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01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 2: Quit there.

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01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to get a If you have three jobs,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna need five. Right, Is that what's going on?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 1: So we we, along with Israel launch Coordinator strikes at Iran,

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01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:26,640
Speaker 1: targeting military, government, energy infrastructure. We're bombing the hell out

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01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 1: of them right now, and Tehran is responding. And then

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Speaker 1: you go, okay, well, gas prices, let's start there. Are

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01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 1: we prepared to see gas prices go up to well

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01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 1: or about three a gallon I think nationally right now,

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01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 1: but maybe four or five dollars a gallon?

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01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 2: Where's the breaking point here? Do we know yet?

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01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 4: Well?

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01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 11: I think you know, if you ask if we meeting

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01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 11: the average citizen of the United States, probably not.

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01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 8: You know, we're a little bit worried about it.

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Speaker 11: And I think you have to understand and unpacked this

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01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 11: from a big picture standpoint.

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Speaker 8: You know, the main issue with this Iran conflict is oil.

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Speaker 11: Prices, and you know the immediate problem is probably going

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01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 11: to be cast prices that we're going to see at

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01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 11: the pump, you know, when we you know, get gas

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01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 11: to go to work or whatever it is. But from

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01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 11: a larger sense, it's more about the supply issues, you know,

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01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 11: And we've talked about the Straight of Horn Moves over

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01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 11: the last couple of years and how important that is.

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01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 11: And the Straight of War Moves is about a twenty

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01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 11: four mile stretch through the Persian Gulf where about twenty

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01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:29,680
Speaker 11: percent of our total oil supply from a global standpoint

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Speaker 11: comes through.

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01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 8: And right now that's locked up.

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01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 4: Well what does that mean.

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Speaker 11: Well, yeah, prices are probably going to rise a little bit,

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01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 11: but in a larger sense, from an economic standpoint, that

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01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 11: can significantly impact the global economy. And the reason that

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01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 11: it can impact the global economy is not you and

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01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 11: me getting from work and back, but the cost of

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01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 11: energy and shipping costs. So if the cost of energy

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01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 11: increases because the lack of supply from the Straight of

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01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 11: Horror Moves, you know, is cut off, that will translate

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01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:03,599
Speaker 11: to higher trasportation costs, which will translate to inflation. And

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01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:05,600
Speaker 11: that's certainly what we don't want to see. And you

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01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 11: have to remember from a market standpoint, The markets are

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01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 11: predictive indicators of how we feel about the economy looking

1842
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,639
Speaker 11: out six months to a year, and investors right now

1843
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:17,360
Speaker 11: are saying, oh no, if oil prices continue to rise,

1844
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 11: that's going to translate to higher inflation if we don't

1845
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 11: get this thing worked out. And so that's why you're

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01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 11: starting to see the market's tumble a little bit, because

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01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 11: investors are fearful because we don't know what's going to happen.

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01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know Congress meets his meeting now as a

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01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 1: matter of fact on this issue, and I'm sure that's

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01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 1: first and foremost is like, hey, well, looks like we

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01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:36,920
Speaker 1: finally beat inflation. It took a long time, and now

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01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 1: that may all be undone in the drop of a bomb.

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01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:45,519
Speaker 11: Yeah, But unfortunately, I think that you know, we've kind

1854
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 11: of anticipated a little bit of this, so our supplies

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01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 11: have increased quite a bit here in the United States.

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01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 11: You know, we we did anticipate a little bit of

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01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:57,560
Speaker 11: conflict in the Middle East, and other global powers have

1858
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 11: as well. We have an East, our oil production, we

1859
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 11: have increased tracking those types of things, but you know,

1860
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:07,720
Speaker 11: ultimately that we still need the oil that comes out

1861
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 11: of that region. You know, Now, Iran's total oil production

1862
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:15,360
Speaker 11: amounts about four percent of the total global production, So

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01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 11: is that going to have an impact. No, but there

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01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 11: are other nations that ship goods out of that area.

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01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:23,759
Speaker 11: The other thing that's going to have an impactful outcome

1866
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 11: there is we get a lot of the world's fertilizer

1867
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:27,600
Speaker 11: from that area as well, and so that's going to

1868
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 11: hurt the agriculture industry. So here's the timeline on this.

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01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 11: I think if this lasts a week, it's probably not

1870
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:37,599
Speaker 11: a problem. If if it goes two weeks, it becomes

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01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 11: more of a serious problem. If it goes three, then

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01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 11: we can see some impact, you know, from an economic standpoint.

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01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:45,800
Speaker 11: You know, when you when you look at the technical

1874
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 11: aspect of it, when you look at oil prices, oil

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01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 11: is up about fifteen percent or so year over year.

1876
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 11: If it really when we go back and we look

1877
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 11: at the data on a year over year basis, it

1878
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:58,760
Speaker 11: doesn't become a significant crisis until oil prices get to

1879
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Speaker 11: be about seventy five percent higher year over year.

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Speaker 8: So we're still a little bit far off of that.

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Speaker 8: But if you see those.

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Speaker 11: Prices increase at seven eight nine percent on a daily basis,

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01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 11: we can get there pretty quickly.

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01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 1: Okay, So when you say the most valuable piece of water,

1885
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 1: the most important piece of water in the entire world

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Speaker 1: would be the Strait of Horror Moves.

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Speaker 2: I mean what you just described.

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01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:25,160
Speaker 1: They're twenty percent of oil and also liquid natural gas

1889
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 1: goes through that quarridor. I can't think of something that

1890
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 1: the world depends on more than the Straight of Horror Moves,

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01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:31,519
Speaker 1: can you.

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01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 11: Yeah, whether it's the Strait of Malacca, which is kind

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01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:38,120
Speaker 11: of a north of Australia, kind of in the Indonesia area.

1894
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 11: But the thing about the Straight of War Moves is

1895
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 11: that it's so tiny. It's only twenty four miles wide,

1896
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 11: so it's very easy for any nation to clog that up.

1897
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 11: And that's exactly what I ran did. I mean they

1898
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:54,320
Speaker 11: you know, they basically cut that area off and we're

1899
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:56,040
Speaker 11: trying to figure out ways to get around it. And

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Speaker 11: so now it becomes a geopolitical issue. You know, who's

1901
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 11: the leadership and I ran, and who do we talk to.

1902
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 11: They're saying that they're not willing to negotiate. Donald Trump

1903
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 11: is saying, hey, we're open to talking. They're saying, well,

1904
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 11: we're not talking because you know, you guys came and

1905
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 11: bombed us and kill our leader and all this kind

1906
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 11: of stuff. So, you know, as this continues to escalate,

1907
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 11: we have to watch it very carefully, not from a

1908
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 11: political standpoint, but from an economic stand sure, we have

1909
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:23,080
Speaker 11: to be nimble enough to understand not only you know,

1910
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:25,559
Speaker 11: what happens if this continues, but where are the way

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01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:29,280
Speaker 11: that we can you know, position our investments that are

1912
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 11: going to be more advantageous during this period of time.

1913
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he and is Andy shaff are all worth financial

1914
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:36,759
Speaker 1: talking about war and of course the impact on the economy.

1915
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 2: Gas.

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01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:39,640
Speaker 1: We're talking about natural gas and liquid gas too for

1917
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 1: that matter too. As we move into the summer months now,

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Speaker 1: so we're not going to freeze to death, but oil

1919
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:47,200
Speaker 1: and we're also doing the summer blunt switch over right now,

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Speaker 1: which is driving things up. You mentioned about four percent

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01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 1: of the world's oil comes from Iran. What about Venezuela.

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01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 1: We have full access now to Venezuela. The tap has

1923
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 1: been opened up to full. But what percentage is that

1924
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 1: does that offset Iran?

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01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:01,680
Speaker 11: It does to some, but you know there's still some

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01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 11: you know, I would say, you know, process issues there,

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01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 11: you know, because most of the stuff that comes out

1928
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:11,479
Speaker 11: of Venezuela is unrefined, and you know, that's why China

1929
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:13,680
Speaker 11: has a big, you know, a big interest over in

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Speaker 11: Venezuela because they have a big refining industry and things

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Speaker 11: like that, and so you know, and I don't want

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Speaker 11: to get too fearg into politics here, but all of

1933
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Speaker 11: this is going to significantly hurt China. China was the

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Speaker 11: biggest importer of Iran oil and until large degree they

1935
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Speaker 11: were getting a big discount because we have all these

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Speaker 11: sanctions on Iran and China was one of the few

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Speaker 11: countries that was actually buying their crew and so they're

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Speaker 11: going to have a big impact. Yeah, you're going to

1939
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Speaker 11: be impacted by it. And also they were getting a

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Speaker 11: lot of Venezuela oil. So I think, you know, in

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Speaker 11: the big scheme of things, from a geopolitical standpoint, China

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Speaker 11: has the most to lose in all this, and so

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Speaker 11: that's why you haven't heard a lot coming from them

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Speaker 11: because they want to make sure that this gets all

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Speaker 11: worked out as well, because they're going to be the

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Speaker 11: country that really is impacted, you know, from a geopolitical standpoint.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha, Andy Shafer from all Worth Financial, What would

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Speaker 1: it take for us to fall into recession on its own.

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Speaker 1: Could could it be a couple of weeks of very

1950
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Speaker 1: high gas prices? I mean, what would it take for

1951
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Speaker 1: all of this to be undone? It would take a while.

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Speaker 11: So right now, you know, from a domestic economic standpoint,

1953
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Speaker 11: you know, we're we're actually performing fairly well. You know,

1954
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Speaker 11: we still look at the labor market, unemployment rates still

1955
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:27,679
Speaker 11: around four point three percent, inflation is still coming trending down.

1956
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Speaker 11: You know, you take I ran out of it. You know,

1957
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 11: we're in a pretty good spot. You know, we continue

1958
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 11: to see you know, jobs be in a pretty good place.

1959
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Speaker 11: So you know, when we look at our projection from

1960
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Speaker 11: a GDP standpoint, we're looking at expansion somewhere around three percent.

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Speaker 4: For the year.

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Speaker 11: So if this continues on and it goes, you know,

1963
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Speaker 11: months and months, that could have an impact on inflation,

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Speaker 11: and that's when we start to see some of the

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Speaker 11: indicators start to lead towards recession. But right now you

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Speaker 11: have to understand you cannot get caught up in the

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Speaker 11: minutia of geopolitical activities. Seventy five set of the time.

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Speaker 11: When we go through these things, the market will rebound

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Speaker 11: in the next three to twelve months following these major

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Speaker 11: geo political events, and so you know, if we you know,

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Speaker 11: you see the markets fall, it's it's largely due to

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Speaker 11: investors reacting to these headlines. And you have to remain

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01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 11: confident and remain secure that your portfolio and your planet

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01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 11: remains in good shapes. Now, there are some things that

1975
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 11: you can do. You can look at certain different types

1976
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 11: of investments when you when we go through these defents

1977
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:32,479
Speaker 11: and aerospace are always good. Energy and natural resources, go

1978
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Speaker 11: into cybersecurity. CrowdStrike, for instance, is probably a good play

1979
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:39,600
Speaker 11: consumer states Procter and gamble here locally, that's also a

1980
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 11: good investment choice. But you don't want to make get

1981
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 11: out of the markets. You just want to make small

1982
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:46,599
Speaker 11: tweaks to your portfolio. Yeah, it makes sense, but here's

1983
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 11: the thing. You say, Hey, don't panic, hold steady. It's

1984
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Speaker 11: going to improve, but always bounces back.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: But I'm looking at the ticker right now, I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at the DOW, I'm looking at the NASDAC, I'm looking

1988
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Speaker 1: at the Rustle, I'm looking at all these things, and

1989
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Speaker 1: they're all they're all tanking because the people who have

1990
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:02,600
Speaker 1: people are selling, they're not buying or no they're not

1991
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Speaker 1: holding they're moving positions, and so the sky is falling.

1992
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Speaker 1: Those are much smarter people than I am.

1993
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Speaker 2: Or are they not?

1994
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Speaker 8: They're not And that's that's exactly the thing.

1995
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Speaker 1: My money's tied about to people that are dumber than me.

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Speaker 1: That's not confidence inspiring.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well, well, and I think that's when you really

1998
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Speaker 11: make portal craft.

1999
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Speaker 2: We're in trouble.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, but you know, stocks have experienced corrections on errors

2001
01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 11: fourteen percent per year since nineteen eighty. You know, the

2002
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:35,479
Speaker 11: average annual return total during those years was a positive

2003
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Speaker 11: thirteen percent, And so eighty three percent of every year

2004
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:41,760
Speaker 11: that you're invested is positive. So what side of the

2005
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 11: coin do you want to be on? You want to

2006
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 11: be on the side of being invested or not. Well,

2007
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:47,759
Speaker 11: if you're eighty three percent of the time is positive

2008
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:50,479
Speaker 11: and we always go through these types of shocks, you

2009
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:52,960
Speaker 11: want to make sure that you are invested. You know,

2010
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:56,640
Speaker 11: this is specifically relevant. When the Gulf War began in

2011
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:59,599
Speaker 11: nineteen ninety one, Okay had the nine to eleven attacks

2012
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 11: back two thousand and one, the Iraq evasion invasion back

2013
01:40:03,479 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 11: in two thousand and three. All of these years were positive.

2014
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 11: By the end of the year. When Russia a next

2015
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:13,519
Speaker 11: crimea back in twenty fourteen, the market was up for

2016
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:18,080
Speaker 11: the year fourteen percent. When Hamas attacked Israel just a

2017
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:19,920
Speaker 11: couple of years a few years ago, the market was

2018
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 11: up thirty four percent. So we go through these things.

2019
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Speaker 11: You just have to make sure that you remain calm

2020
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:28,160
Speaker 11: and remain poised, let things play out, and remember that

2021
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:31,240
Speaker 11: the markets are different and the economy is different from

2022
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 11: geopolitical events.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So if you go back and look all these

2024
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 1: conflicts nine to eleven, the Arab spring you mentioned, rocks,

2025
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:42,760
Speaker 1: Russia invading Ukraine, all these things, at some point it

2026
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:44,679
Speaker 1: does start to swing the other way, but you've got

2027
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Speaker 1: to give it not seven days, but maybe seven months.

2028
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Speaker 11: Yeah, And like I said, you know, seventy five percent

2029
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Speaker 11: of the time during these conflicts the market is up.

2030
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Speaker 11: And so you just have to have a little bit

2031
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 11: of poison. Understand what the underlying data says. And again,

2032
01:40:58,120 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 11: the economy in the United States is based on you

2033
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:02,680
Speaker 11: and me, Scott. It's about the consumer. As long as

2034
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 11: we're employed and as long as we have the ability

2035
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:08,759
Speaker 11: to earn a wage that translates to higher corporate prices

2036
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 11: and higher corporate gains and those types of things, and

2037
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Speaker 11: that's really what matters. It's the health of our economy.

2038
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Speaker 11: Our economy is so robust. Iran's economy is really about

2039
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:19,599
Speaker 11: the size of West Virginia's. You have to keep that

2040
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:20,760
Speaker 11: in perspective.

2041
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 1: Okay, No, that makes a lot of sense, Andy, And

2042
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:25,200
Speaker 1: so it just kind of stayed the course. Maybe make

2043
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:27,680
Speaker 1: some adjustments because even in a crisis, there's a hell

2044
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:29,840
Speaker 1: of a lot of opportunities. You said, you know, put

2045
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 1: a little more into cybersecurity. We're going to need that.

2046
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:34,280
Speaker 1: I just spoke to Chris and I Heist the first

2047
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:35,640
Speaker 1: hout of the show at nine oh six. If you

2048
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:38,800
Speaker 1: missed it, it's on the podcast at the iHeartRadio app.

2049
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:41,320
Speaker 1: But he was saying, hey, listen, you know, the likelihood

2050
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:44,320
Speaker 1: of us being attacked physically as we did not eleven

2051
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:46,240
Speaker 1: is much much lower than it would be with a

2052
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:51,160
Speaker 1: cyber attack, specifically critical infrastructure, water, electricity, things like that,

2053
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 1: but also denial of service. It's all possible. It's on

2054
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:56,400
Speaker 1: play because Iran and its proxies have been doing that

2055
01:41:56,439 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 1: for about fifteen years. Three years ago, they were able

2056
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 1: to shut down a water supply uh here in the

2057
01:42:02,479 --> 01:42:05,240
Speaker 1: United States briefly, if you recall that whole story, we

2058
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:08,080
Speaker 1: could see that on a much bigger scale, that would

2059
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 1: read probably just as much, if not more havoc because

2060
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:14,280
Speaker 1: now you're you're you're you're playing with critical infrastructure here.

2061
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:17,160
Speaker 1: That is something we all fear. But at the same time,

2062
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:19,200
Speaker 1: according to him, is like the government is less prepared

2063
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:21,840
Speaker 1: today than it was six years ago, five years ago,

2064
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:23,920
Speaker 1: which is is unbelievable.

2065
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 11: Yeah, and I don't I don't know if I believe that.

2066
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:28,360
Speaker 11: I would like to hear statistics on that. You know,

2067
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:31,800
Speaker 11: because you know, from a corporate standpoint, you know, one

2068
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:35,000
Speaker 11: of our biggest outflows that all were financial, is security,

2069
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:38,840
Speaker 11: and and I think most companies recognize the importance of it.

2070
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 11: I mean, you have to have specific uh firewalls, you

2071
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:46,200
Speaker 11: have to you have to test it, you have to

2072
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:50,240
Speaker 11: have you know, a lot of security within your own infrastructure.

2073
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 11: From a technology standpoint, otherwise you're not gonna have business

2074
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:56,600
Speaker 11: because you have to make sure that not only is

2075
01:42:56,640 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 11: your business safe and secure, but the information of your

2076
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 11: clients is. So our second biggest outflow other than our payroll,

2077
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:05,960
Speaker 11: is through security, and I think that's important. I think

2078
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,479
Speaker 11: most companies in corporation fall in line with that, so

2079
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:10,160
Speaker 11: I'd be curious to hear what he has to say.

2080
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:12,479
Speaker 11: You know, as far as the government is less prepared,

2081
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 11: because I feel like we pourt more and more money

2082
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 11: into that because we know how important it is.

2083
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 1: Here Andy Shaffer all Worth Financial. Their show airs at

2084
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:23,599
Speaker 1: six tonight on our sister station fifty five KRC. It's

2085
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 1: simply money. Andy jumps in Tuesdays. Not a good Tuesday.

2086
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:29,240
Speaker 1: Hopefully next week will be better. We'll find out, buddy,

2087
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Speaker 1: Thanks again, appreciate it.

2088
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:32,040
Speaker 2: How it going all right? Scott talking? Here you go,

2089
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:32,800
Speaker 2: So there you go.

2090
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 1: You may think that these people are really really smart

2091
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:36,640
Speaker 1: that are running them, but they're apparently they're not.

2092
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 2: We're smarter than they are. How about that?

2093
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:40,519
Speaker 1: Scott's Louand with Willie coming up after news on the

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Speaker 1: Home of the Red seven hundred WWD Cincinnati,