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Speaker 2: let's talk the Cincinnati Bearcats. Let's do so. The man

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Speaker 2: covering the Bearcats for Bearcat journal dot Com, Kegan Nichoson,

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Speaker 2: in his normal Thursday time sloide, joining us right now.

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Speaker 2: Hi Kegan, Hi Panny.

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Speaker 3: How are you? Keegan?

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Speaker 2: I'm great?

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 2: How's your twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Six Well, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 4: I just want to give a quick shout out to

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Speaker 4: the women basketball team. Yeah, winners go first, giving giving

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Speaker 4: Bearcats fans the first thing to cheer ballt since maybe

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Speaker 4: like October twenty fourth.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: So great, great job for Katrina Meriweather in that team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well deserved. I think their first win against

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Speaker 2: the top twenty five team since twenty eleven. That is

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Speaker 2: a welcome sight beating a ranked team at fifth third arena.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would like some more

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Speaker 2: last real quick. On the football side of things, Keegan,

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Speaker 2: we're at the Liberty Bowl. The Liberty Bowl happened, and

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Speaker 2: it sounded after the Liberty Bowl like Manny Covey was

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Speaker 2: one of those players that was going to be back

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Speaker 2: with this team going forward. But as we learned earlier today,

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Speaker 2: Manny Covey is in the transfer portal as well. What changed?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this is kind of similar to the

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Speaker 4: the offense, and then you bring in two guys at

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Speaker 4: he has to make the best decision for himself. I'm

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Speaker 4: hearing he just wanted a fresh start, but I'd be

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Speaker 4: surprised if it wasn't because of the additions that they

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Speaker 4: I'm not hitting the alarms on this. Mayne Covey was good,

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Speaker 4: he was fast, knew the system, but ultimately he didn't

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Speaker 4: and also Zion Johnson who popped in his true freshman

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Speaker 4: start and they're making some moves to have a lot

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Speaker 2: How much have you learned up to this point about j. C.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I hear a lot of people being discouraged, and

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Speaker 4: I completely understand it. I'm not going to say that

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Speaker 4: gonna win nine games next season because they have JC

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Speaker 4: Frenship quarterback. But he's he threw for almost three thousand yards,

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Speaker 4: he can run, not as good at storesby, He's not

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Speaker 4: he ran one hundred and thirty times for three hundred

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Speaker 4: like I think it was in the twenties, maybe twenty

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Speaker 4: looking forward to seeing what he can do with Lorenzo Fenner.

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Speaker 3: And Isaiah Johnson and whoever else.

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Speaker 4: They bring in. But he's he's a good accurate quarterback,

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Speaker 3: That's my official statement on it.

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Speaker 2: Are there any players that they have landed in the

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Speaker 4: I think Lorenzo Fenner is really good. His tape and

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Speaker 2: You mentioned what defense they'll be running? How fast or

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Speaker 2: how quick do you imagine a defensive coordinator will be

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm kind of waiting on it at any

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Speaker 4: where he's gonna play next year. Not to say that

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Speaker 4: But those kinds of players, I just think it gives

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Speaker 4: next year, it just helps the process. So they need

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Speaker 4: to kind of have an urgency with that like they

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Speaker 2: Lastly, on football, the bar is my question now because

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Speaker 2: going into the year last year, people would have probably

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Speaker 2: said seven wins, Yes, that's an improvement. That's good. When

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Speaker 2: you see how it transpired and they lose five in

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Speaker 4: In regards to gosh adakuld returns in twenty twenty seven, yes,

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Speaker 4: I would say if he makes a bowl game, okay,

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Speaker 3: You lost so much, You've.

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Speaker 4: Got a quarterback recruit that you're excited about, and Brooks good,

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Speaker 4: to the portal again next year. I think six wins

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Speaker 4: with this group after losing so many studs, I think

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Speaker 4: that that would be a quote unquote successful or good

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Speaker 4: enough season for Cincinnati. I don't think they have the

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Speaker 4: talent and like their schedule is hard next year, especially

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Speaker 4: when you look in conference. Yeah, so I think getting

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Speaker 4: the six wins would be a good enough season and

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Speaker 2: Let's switch gears to basketball, and I know this is

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Speaker 2: the topic of conversation for everyone. You see starts twenty

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Speaker 2: then just under the five minute mark. The other night

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Speaker 2: against West Virginia, UC is only able to manage three

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Speaker 2: points down the stretch in a game in which they

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Speaker 2: led by five with just a couple minutes remaining. But

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Speaker 2: not only what's happened on the floor, keg and it's

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Speaker 2: what happened after the game, the postgame comments after Houston

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Speaker 2: from West Miller and then following those up with the

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Speaker 2: postgame comments after the West Virginia loss. What is the

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Speaker 2: make of hearing Wes Miller after those games.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the feel around the program is I don't think

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Speaker 3: This low in a long time.

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Speaker 4: I think the comments after the game were striking to

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Speaker 3: I don't want to speak out of turn by any means.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what it means to be a college

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Speaker 3: The fan base is feeling right now.

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Speaker 4: And it's kind of like, you're in year five, you

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Speaker 4: haven't made a tournament. You have you could say, two

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Speaker 4: signature wins in five years at BYU and at Texas Tech.

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Speaker 4: The big recruits that you've brought in haven't really panned out.

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Speaker 4: And then like, the fans give you five and most

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Speaker 4: said this really well, I think it was yesterday. The

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Speaker 4: be upset, and it's kind of just like, Okay, you're upset. Well, true,

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Speaker 4: So I just don't know why that's the route he's taking. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: he's a very very emotional dude. He's very very passionate.

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Speaker 3: Out how his players are perceived. He loves his players and.

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Speaker 4: He's going to defend his players. I just don't agree

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Speaker 2: I think it's unique. Yeah, Now, I think it's unique because,

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Speaker 2: an nil to field the roster. I think you could

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Speaker 2: going into year five, you've got to win the Big twelve.

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Speaker 2: It was make the NCAA Tournament. So I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the frustration from fans who have supported

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And part of what he said it made me

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Speaker 4: I feel like Wes Miller a guy who played at

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Speaker 4: and he even said it and his like opening statement

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Speaker 4: with no NCAA Tournament appearance. Mick Cronin said some crazy

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Speaker 4: And at the end of the day, I don't think

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's a talent issue, because it doesn't

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Speaker 3: Seconds of the game. Like, it's not a talent issue.

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Speaker 4: So I don't think it's a talent issue. Baba Miller

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Speaker 4: But I'm not gonna sit here and say they don't

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Speaker 3: Players are leaving.

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Speaker 2: So now can it get better? They traveled to UCF,

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Speaker 4: It gets easy this weekend because you have to go

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Speaker 2: If it does happen, and if we see postgame press

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Speaker 3: The rest of this year?

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Speaker 4: I would say yes, just because college basketball coaches are

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Speaker 5: But I think we lost.

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Speaker 2: We lose Kegan. I think we did. We lost him. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was my last question for Keegan. Okay, so we

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Speaker 1: Hello?

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Speaker 3: Yes, we lost.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Sorry.

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Speaker 4: I'm in Oxford, Ohio, so I probably don't.

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Speaker 5: Have to God bless you man to think that in

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Speaker 4: This is where I live. I live in the boonies.

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Speaker 5: You live in Oxford?

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Speaker 3: Are you serious?

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Speaker 5: I'm so jealous, loud.

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Speaker 2: Kig and I I do have to ask you. You

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Speaker 2: you like Oregon tomorrow night? You think they have the

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Speaker 3: Shut up.

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Speaker 4: It's just the best college football team that's ever been,

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Speaker 4: the greatest that's ever led a group of men.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I'm gonna see.

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Speaker 4: Indiana thirty eight Oregon seventeen.

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Speaker 5: Man, how about that. I'm happy for you that you

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Speaker 5: get to experience this Keigan. Every sports fan deserves a

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: I'll probably get to feel it back to back when

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Speaker 2: you see makes a run next year. He's not a

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Speaker 2: I listen, I see him in the press box. He's

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Speaker 4: You don't have seen me in thet You're in your.

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Speaker 2: Fan first job.

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Speaker 5: Second, Kegan, can you confirm that Tony Pike is a

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Speaker 4: I can neither confirm nor Yeah, there's a confirmation in

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Speaker 5: Thanks. Go to grab me something from Begelin Deli.

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Speaker 3: Would you? Oh? I will thank you.

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Speaker 2: Keegan.

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Speaker 5: Maybe go to Patterson's. Kegan's the best great breakfast over that.

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Speaker 5: He puts up with us like many people do. I

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Speaker 2: I thought he was just cruising around.

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Speaker 5: I did learn something about Keegan the other day that

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Speaker 5: way of saying, I'm not talking to you, dude, leave

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Speaker 5: me alone. I just left it alone. And then he

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Speaker 5: texted me today he's like, I'm really sorry, man, I

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Speaker 5: got my times confused.

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Speaker 2: It's a hard thing to factor time zones and how

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Speaker 5: Two pm Eastern is when we had them on today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll take a break. We have Red's News, Red's News,

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Speaker 2: and we'll take some more phone calls. Five one, three, seven,

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Speaker 2: four nine, fifteen thirty at Cincy three sixty on ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 5: There's no better way to spend your