WEBVTT - 3-4-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.880 You don't want to be an American flony back on 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:08.119 seven hundred WLW. There's nothing like a sleep when it's 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:10.520 pouring rain outside, so it just makes you sleep more. 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:13.039 The only problem with that is you got to get 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:15.520 you gotta get up right, and it was a slow 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:18.000 move today for me. Might be with you as well. 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:22.120 We have horrible news, of course with the fire we'll 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:24.400 get more than that'll bit later on in Warren County, 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:27.040 but also the follow up from the mass shooting at 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:30.200 Riverfront Live over the weekend. Nine people shot, hundreds traumatized, 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.840 and the man now accused of pulling the trigger could 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:36.879 walk free on a fifty thousand dollars bond. He's climbing 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.120 self defense and the mayor is furious. The question, though, 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:43.000 is why didn't prosecutors asked to keep him locked up 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:45.720 in the first place? On that is attorney defense attorney, 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.440 constitutional expert and all around decent guy, Steve Gooden, Steve, 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:53.280 how you doing, buddy, A good good boyd SUSU. So 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:55.800 we got the case of Frenny Cobb. He's twenty four 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.360 years old, arrested on a single felonious assault charge in 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:02.200 connection with the shooting nine people twenty injured in the stampede. 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:06.039 The judge set bonded fifty thousand dollars. Cobb is a 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:08.760 convicted fellow illegally barred from having a firearm. He was 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.399 just in jail, got out of prison and picked up 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.160 a gun and went and shot an individual in the 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.679 crowd at this event on Saturday. He's had two prior 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:20.920 weapon under disability convictions before the shooting, including one just 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:24.480 a year ago, and only served twelve months before his release. Steve, 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.160 at what point does the systems repeated leniency in this 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:30.760 whole restorative justice thing and bail reform towards an armed 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:35.399 repeat offender across judicial discretion into just absolute negligence Because 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:37.000 it feels like this is negligent to me. 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.080 Well, look, this was a complete failure of the system 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.520 on multiple levels. And there's a lot to unpack here, 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.520 but one thing I do want to make clear, thank god, 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.200 that looks as of the US Attorney's Office has stepped 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:54.080 in with federal charges. They slapped what's called a federal 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:57.320 holder on these two gentlemen, both of whom I guess 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:01.600 there was a straight up gun battle the you, and 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.400 it looks as though that they're not going anywhere thanks 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:07.800 to the intervention of the FBI and the US Attorney's office, 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:12.120 so that at least, you know, they have rectified the situation, 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.760 at least from the moment they are facing federal weapons 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.840 churages now that they could carry up to fifteen years each. 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:22.720 So that's good news. The bad news is, you're right, 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:25.600 there's no way either of these guys should have been 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:27.440 getting out on any kind of a low bond. And 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.400 you know, the saying is, you know, a success as 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.440 many fathers, but failures and orphans. Here the failure has 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:37.600 many many fathers. It looks as though the prosecutors and 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.239 the police officers look forward with a single count of 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.680 coolonious assault. It looks clear to me that at this 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.280 point they know there was a gun battle, but there 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:48.600 seems to be a no nine people shot, twenty others injured, 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:50.800 but there seems to be a lack of clarity at 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.080 this point in the investigation as to who shot whom. 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:55.200 So it looks as though they threw this kind of 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:58.880 placeholder charge out. That was mistake number one. You know, 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.600 it didn't carry the gravity or really communicate the gravity 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:06.080 of what happened. And then number two we do have judges, 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.760 and I've dealt with this judge before, Bernard Monday. He's 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:11.840 actually overall a really good judge. But there are a 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:13.840 lot of judges in this courthouse right now that have 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:18.639 this ideological bent. They don't believe in cash bond. They 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:22.919 think it's unfair that people like you and I who 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.160 have means, if we are accused of a crime, that 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:26.960 we can go get a put our house up, or 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:29.799 have access sell stock and post a bond. They think 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:33.200 it's fundamentally unfair that people who don't have means are 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.200 being held in jail. It's an ideological thing that has 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:39.800 nothing to do whatsoever with the facts of a case. 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:41.920 And it got so bad in Hamilton County. If you 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.680 recall about three or four years ago, Judge Megan Shanahan, 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.080 he's now in the High Supreme Court, actually put forward 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:53.960 a statewide issue requiring judges to consider public safety is 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.200 an issue in the posting or setting of cash bonds 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.600 in addition to their ability to pay, which is like 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.600 sort of the progressive democratic focus. It's always the ability 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.600 to pay, not public safety. So there's a requirement these 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.760 judges have. It's in the Ohio Constitution. Now imposed by 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:12.600 the voters that they should look at public safety above 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.440 all else, and that clearly just didn't happen here. So 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:19.240 a fifty thousand dollars bond conceivably posted, you know, a 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.520 ten percent, which is the standard I thing here. So 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.520 someone could post five thousand dollars cash of walk out 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.039 on some sort of an ankle bracelet. You know, that's 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.120 a really bad, bad thing. And you know, back when 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:33.359 I was a prosecutor, we viewed this very very differently 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.240 twenty years ago. Not only were you trying to protect 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.320 the public, but you also wanted to protect the defendant 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.720 because you know, in the in the immediate aftermath of 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.559 some big public shooting like this, you know, there tends 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.880 to be victims' families looking for them too. It's in 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.640 society's interests. They were interested everyone for them to sit. Look, 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.159 if there's something flawed about this case and it turns 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.440 out that got the wrong guys, you know, this will 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:58.640 be presented at the grand jury within ten days. 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:00.480 Anyway, they'll be out of the worl thing. 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:03.560 That happens here is that someone who is credibly accused 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:05.720 of a mass shooting sits in jail for ten days 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.520 while the authority sorted out that's something that is not 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:11.760 offensive to our system, or to society or anything of 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:15.000 the sort. And it's just common sense. And this is 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:16.760 the kind of stuff again that makes people look at 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.279 this and shake their head. And it's fascinating to me 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.400 that even the mayor. Wait, and the mayor is out there. 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.080 The mayor was somebody who was really really bragged about 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:28.080 remaking the carhouse and pushing these things and then attacked 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:29.760 cash bonds and look. 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.120 I remember that that isn't that irony. I don't want 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:33.880 to say delicious, because you know this is such a 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.480 serious crime. Steve Gooden, But here's a guy who campaigned 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.039 on restorative justice bond reform. We've got to be better, 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:41.920 a gentler. We can't punch down, we've got to treat 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.599 people better. Okay, great, And now he's in the podium saying, 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:46.479 how the hell could this person get out in the 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.520 fifty thousand dollars buck It's because you and I said 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:53.880 progressive push for this, That's all. 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.320 I mean, that's absolutely read. I read this quote, Diomas. 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:57.000 You know, I think I still have a cell phone 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:58.960 here somewhere else. Was going to text it it welcome 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.279 to the party now, like we will have been saying 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.680 this for years, and look, this is just in This 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.040 is one of those things that's been out there for 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.440 about ten to fifteen years on the progress among progressive 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.960 politicians that drives people, not just one of these things. 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.080 It's an article of faith on that side. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.480 And you know, like the way I try to explain. 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.280 It to my my democratic friends is like this, and 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.480 like you know how in seeing some people feel when 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:24.560 you talk to a hardcore conservative and say, guys, look, 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.480 we believe in gun rights, but we don't you think 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:29.480 we should have some gun control. Maybe you shouldn't be 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.440 able to carry an A forty seven out in public 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.640 or AK forty seven in public, and they say, no, no, no, no, 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:36.960 it's got to be it's all or nothing. That's how 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.080 Democrats sound when you win common sense. People talk about 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:44.200 balbell or form. Well, it's just fundamentally unfair that rich 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.440 people can postpond and well, no, actually, when you look 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:49.680 at the facts of the matter, when someone commits a 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.479 violent offense, there ought to be an ability to hold 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:56.360 on to them. And frankly, in the federal system there 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.200 is no cash bond. You have what's called a detention 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.640 hearing where a magistrate, a federal magistrate, looks at the 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.279 facts of the case and if you're caught with a 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:05.760 bunch of drugs or guns. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:06.760 You're going nowhere. 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.560 You have no opportunity to postpond. It's been like that 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:11.560 in this country for two hundred and thirty four years 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.440 in the federal system, and the country hasn't fallen apart, 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.400 and it's not some grave injustice. So the idea that 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.040 we're even we're just playing with ourselves in state courts 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.800 over this stuff. Ideologically, at all they're doing is they're 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:26.880 cycling more people out to hurt others get killed, and 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.480 it's just bad. 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:30.720 Well it's a good here, but it's really bad here. 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:30.960 Yeah. 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:31.200 Yeah. 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.560 And there's some judges out there I mentioned names Silverstein, 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:38.320 ordation and order, banning objections, doring bond rulings, which is 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.840 just absolutely I don't even know if that's legally permissible. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.840 The mont Is Merriweather thing. We bonded out on a 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:48.480 weapon's disability charge and participated in the downtown brawl. The 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:51.679 Chiefs of Police Association wants to have roundtables. The judges 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.760 refuse to participate in that. They feel the bold and 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:58.160 to continue this pattern that puts the public in serious, 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.960 serious jeopardy. And that's back, of course by people like 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.920 mayor Pirival who now wants to undo this and go, well, 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:05.960 maybe this was a bad decision. With admitting it was 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.040 a bad decision. The judge judge in this case you mentioned, 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.720 Judge Mundy said a bond Steve good than fifty thousand 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.120 dollars in a single full on a's assault charge to 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.040 the shooting on Saturday at Riverfront Live. He said, look, 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.560 my hands are tied by the charging decision, says that's 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:22.520 the max. That's all I can do. Did you have 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.160 any more discretion, broader discretion, or you just chose not 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:25.760 to exercise it. 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:30.240 Well, I it's arguable I would say that I think, 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:32.120 But I think he did. I mean, look, I mean 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.160 he is checked. He is correct. They put forward a 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:39.160 single case of a flows assault, not the nine charges 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.960 or however many this guy hit. They didn't also charge 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.120 him with any of the gun offenses for whatever reason, 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.640 which would have justified a higher bond. So they did 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:48.720 put the judge here in a kind of a bad place. 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.240 Why they made those decisions at this early stage, I 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.720 don't know. Maybe they're waiting on additional ballistic evidence. I 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:56.720 don't know, but it sounds pretty clear to me they 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:58.720 were able to put a gun on this guy's hand 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.199 and that there should have been charges put there. So 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.840 that's correct. But I want to zone back in on 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:07.400 this public safety piece and if the judge could have, 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.920 in my view, argued and found that because of the 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:14.360 nature of the overall incident, that there was a true 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:17.199 public safety issue and that that justified a higher bond. 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:19.880 And what's going on in that arrangement room all the time? 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:25.480 We're having judges who are deviating from this public safety requirement. 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.760 And because the bond issue is usually washed through the 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.000 system so quickly, because we have what we call a 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.760 rapidan divement grand ury system. When all the felonies and 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.840 serious charges are dealt with in about ten days and 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.160 you have a new judge and it takes over, there 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.320 really is no effective way for the state to appeal 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.640 these bad decisions. And frankly, now we have a situation 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:49.880 where you have the prosecutor's office and all the judges 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:51.559 who were sort of on the same page it seems 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:56.559 ideologically anyway, But if the prosecutor wanted to appeal. Effectively, 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:58.679 they're not really going to have time. These judges are 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.840 smart enough to know that, so they're really not posting 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.840 these high bonds for their ideological reasons, it seems to me. 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:07.280 I mean, again, I don't know, but I mean we're 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:09.880 seeing you know, they're campaigning on these sorts of things 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:11.400 that made public statements. 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:11.679 To this effect. 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.160 So you're right. I mean, Bernard Muddy was put in 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:16.800 a very bad position, I think by the charging decision, 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.640 but he could have deviated, as I understand it, under 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.760 Ohio law and put a really high bond on this 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.640 because there are clearly more charges coming, no question. And 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.920 again the Feds didn't mess around with it. And I 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:30.439 think that is the other really interesting thing here because traditionally, 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:34.440 but the US Attorney's Office would work with the state 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:37.360 attorney's office citing which case is to take, and here 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.920 it looks as though from everything I have heard, that 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.840 the US Attorney's Office and the FBI at HTF just 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.640 came in unilaterally and said, no, we're taking we're taking 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:47.600 this away because this isn't right. 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.320 Yeah, he is an attorney. Former prosecutor Defenser Steve Good 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.840 on the show on seven hundred WLWD news yesterday that 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.280 the individual, one of the individuals responsible for the mass 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:00.000 shooting at Riverfront Live on Saturday, or left nine people 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.240 shot and hundreds traumatized, could walk f in a fifty 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.120 thousand dollars bond that was posted yesterday by Judge Munday 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.280 in his court and said, listen, that's all I can do. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.560 Even have avs had pureval and other Democrats backpedaling on 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:14.080 the issue of restorative justice, because this is what it 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:17.120 looks like. You know, it's one thing to cite someone 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:20.040 or penalize someone and set a high bond because they've 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.280 got a bag of weed. But when you hire a 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.160 violent predatory criminal with a track record, that person needs 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.679 to be locked up and knocked up sooner rather than later. 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.439 In that regard, there's kind of an I don't know 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.560 if it's a loophole or not. Steven, Maybe this supplies 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:34.640 with our standard ground law. Not sure, but take me 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.839 through the fact that the shooter on Fountain Square, we 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:41.400 sim shoot the two individuals at Citybird Chicken on Fountain Square. 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.400 That person was let out because the claimed it was 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.439 self defense at the two inside the store, and the 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.400 video inside City Bird backed up that the I think 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:51.600 the seventeen and eighteen year old, if im not miss, 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:53.440 their nineteen year old pulled guns out and we're going 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.120 to shoot him through the glass while they were sitting 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.679 having chicken at a restaurant, and Fountain Square with a 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.400 bunch of people around, said it was self defense. This 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.839 guy was prohibited from having a weapon because he is 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:07.440 already convicted in this case. You've got individuals here who 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.400 both had a jacket on them that prevented them from 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.280 having a weapon, and yet they get around to turn 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.480 around and claim self defense. Do we kind of like 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:15.920 have a pattern of a loophole here? 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:20.959 What a little bit now, I think frankly, I heard 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:22.760 this too. I saw this on the news, and I 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:26.000 actually watched a club of the video. This guy's lawyer, 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.880 the Urpront Live shooter, he is going to claim self defense, 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.480 but of course, as you point out, he is legally 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.000 barred from having a firearm, and it is exactly like 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.360 what happened to Fountain Square. Now it looks as though 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.400 on Fountain Square they are still pursuing at least felony 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.720 charges against the individual for having the firearm to begin with, 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.280 even though it looks as though he did establish a 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.720 right to self defense, and some of that, you know, 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.800 you're a standard ground in Ohio, actually make self defense 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:57.280 claims easier to assert, I guess because you don't have 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:00.000 a duty to retreat anymore. That's really all the change, 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:04.200 and it's very fact specific to every case. But here 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:07.920 in the Riverfront Live situation, I mean, the idea that 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.320 this guy that there were multiple individuals going into this 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:15.240 what I'm told was a private party with five or 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.960 six hundred people getting in there with firearms, both of 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.560 whom were legally barred from owning the firearms and having 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.320 them on their body. I mean, that's unfortunately that doesn't 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.520 under a highalog go to self defense piece that they 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:31.280 will both base some charges. And it looks as though 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:37.000 the federal prosecuted US attorney is focusing on the weapons aspect, 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.720 at least initially in the charges that he is bringing 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.800 in federal courts. So it looks as though at least 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.680 the system is correcting itself in this instance on this 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:49.480 But that is like that is the heart of the 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.199 problem that we're seeing in Cincinnati, which is convicted felons 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:57.120 carrying guns with impunity and it not being taken very seriously, 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:58.839 in the state courts, we. 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.640 Spent like six million on what they call targeted community 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.760 alternatives to prison. It's a program, another program, more programs, 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.679 I swear to God, but and it's designed to divert 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.439 follow the offenders away from incarceration. Someone with the Cobbs 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:17.480 record cocaine trafficking, two weapons under disability convictions is I 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:19.640 don't understand how you're a candidate for diversion of that 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.520 guy who decides why he would be eligible for diversion. 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:23.080 How does that work? 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.400 Well, I mean, typically it's a it's a judicial decision 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.840 where the prosecutor's office does sign off and they what 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.960 they look at or non violent offenses, and for better 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.600 or worse, by and large, under Ohio law, merely possessing 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.680 the gun but not using the gun is considered, you know, 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.280 non violent. I mean they're looking at they're looking as 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.240 someone who actually has pulled the gun on someone or 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:49.080 who has attacked someone. And and the kind of drift 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.040 of where the system is right now, not just in 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.400 Cincinnati but statewide is to look at drug offenses in 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.440 sort of a more forgiving way. And I mean there's 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.640 there's certainly an argument to that effect. But what the 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:01.360 way I always looked at it, and the way we 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.320 looked at it back in the day when I worked 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.280 in the Prosecutor's office under very different administrations, is we 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:10.040 looked at drug users and addicts in a very different 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.360 light than we looked at drug dealers, because we saw 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.000 drug dealers as folks who tended to be armed, who 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.640 were capable of violence, whether they had committed violence in 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:20.240 the offense or not, and that they were profiting off 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.640 the misery and addiction of others. So we always looked 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.760 at those folks very differently, and I think that has 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:28.680 eroded over time, and now just drug offenses generally are 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.280 looked at by a lot of the judges and a 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.520 lot of the prosecutors, not just here but statewide. It's 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.360 just being well, it's just part of the overall drug problem, 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.880 quote unquote, And I think we would all be better 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.040 served as society to look at if you had the 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:43.800 way we looked at it at Grand Jury, is drugs 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.120 and you're using and drugs in your system, you know, 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.520 maybe that's somebody that does need to be diverted into 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:51.560 a treatment scenario and not have their lives ruined. Drugs 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.080 plus a gun and the drugs are packaged in a 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.440 certain way, that's the guy that that's the guy that 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.680 deserves to go to prison because he's profiting from it. 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:04.000 And that kind of common sense sort of analysis is 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.040 sort of followed by the wayside over the years. 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:10.080 From what I yeah, no question, Sarah Heringer, Patrick's widow 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.760 is pushing a law that would require real time ankle 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.480 monitor data and making cutting one off an automatic felony. 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:17.920 And it hasn't passed. But if that had been on 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.280 the book with his murder, Mordecai Black want to say, 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.560 Patrick Herringer, does the same logic apply to supervision of 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.360 repeat gun defenders post release like this? 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:28.920 You know it should. And I'll tell you I think, 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.400 you know what, if if we had a probation officer 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.240 here on the phone with us and he was given 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.080 some truth surm, I think they would tell you that 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:41.440 the technology and the funds just aren't there at the 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.560 county level to really monitor these ropes. And I got 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:48.240 to know Sarah unfortunately pretty well through all this, and 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.120 I can tell you that you know that there were 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.520 many many failures. There There were personal failures, but there 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:55.560 was a system's failure. There's a technology failure. We have 0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:00.960 the ability to to do real time I'm monitoring both 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:05.480 on probation and then hurt the situation. Unfortunately, with Mortecai 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.680 Black on parole, a's just we don't as a society 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.240 spend the money there, we don't staff these things the 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:14.160 right way, and we just have not made it a priority. 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:16.560 And that's a shame because if we are going to 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.320 let people out and have these ankle monitors, they ought. 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:20.040 To be able to work. 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.399 And really it's the same technology they've had since the 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:23.120 mid nineties. 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:24.480 And you're right, you can. 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:26.200 Take a kitchen knife and cut one of them off. 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:29.399 You were so sure, So it's no way to do that. 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.400 Yeah, the idea that we don't have the technicians to say, 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:33.159 I mean, I've got an Apple watch right now and 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.280 it'll sell you know, it'll wear it at night. You know, 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:38.240 it'll tell you your quality sleep, will tell you how 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:40.199 much you're sleeping, You'll tell you if you're snoring, if 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.479 you tell if you're an a FIB, give you an 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.159 EKG and do all these amazing things. You need to 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.280 tell me that the technology doesn't exist to go, hey, listen, 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.520 if you cut this thing off instant alarm bells go off, 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.040 or in the case of a gunfelm like this, maybe 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:57.000 they need one that uses that technology that would sense 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.400 if that individual shoots a firearm and it autumn adically 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.120 goes off, and said, this person who is prohibited from 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:05.879 having a firearm just shot one off, you go and 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:07.760 arrest the guy. How hard is that? I don't think 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:09.800 it's that hard. But we've got to have the political 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.159 will power, of course, to do these things. He is 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.800 Steve Gooden, attorney at law, former prosecutor around Defense. Steve 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.560 all the best, Thanks again for coming on the show anytime. 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.320 Scott take care always got great legal analysis for us. 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.479 Here it's it's mindless and you know, to show you 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:28.160 the problem that I have with politics as a no nonsense, straightforward, 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.800 common sense kind of guy, a political if you will, 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.280 that this is a great example of progressives and Democrats 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:38.040 talking out of both sides of their mouth that you 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.600 know you have afted Pureval and other progressives who ran 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.800 on the whole doctrine of restorative justice and bond reform. Well, 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:45.320 this is what it looks like. These are the effects 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.320 of that that these guys get out and just commit 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.639 crime after crime. Because some people you can't reform. Actually 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.760 a lot of people you can't reform. Why give them 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:56.560 a second, third, or fourth chance. It's to throwing lives. 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:00.200 The blood is on their hands, on their hands. I'll 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.440 switch up in a second here, and there's another speaking 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:05.840 of politics in the Square Guard. The same thing is 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:07.639 kind of happening. You know, in an election, there was 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.560 a lot made about you know, transgender people in bathrooms, 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:12.880 in that stuff. There's not enough of them to cause 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.720 the problems that were indicated during the election. But I 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:17.760 got an example of, you know, turning the tables around 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:21.280 here of that happening actually in Warren County in a 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:26.160 very very serious, disgusting case that had this been someone 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.159 that fit that category, you would hear more about it. 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:31.320 But instead it's just a sad case. It faded away. 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.040 You know what I'm talking about. If you don't, I'll 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:42.960 explain next seven hundred W slony on seven hundred WLW rainy, rainy, 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:46.199 rainy rain never gonna end. I don't think so so 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:48.040 much going on in the world today, of course, And 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:51.200 just had Steve Gooden on Great Attorney and when it 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:53.960 comes to you know, constitutional issues and those big questions 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:57.280 he's fantastic at that stuff. Always enjoy talking to him 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:00.359 and learning a little bit more as I I often 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.280 do every time to talk to somebody smarter than I am, 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:06.160 which is maybe ninety nine point nine percent of the time. 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.960 I've talked about and we've talked about the shooting, of 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:15.360 course at Riverfront Live or yeah, Riverfront Life over the weekend, 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:19.880 and the fact that you know, those in the progressive 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.280 community and my progressive friends really wanted balan bond reform. 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:25.280 And I get where that came from back in the day, 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:28.399 because you know, before the people took over and added 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:31.439 some common sense to marijuana. Where we are now will 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:35.400 common sense legislation. We've you know, we've reduced the number 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:37.000 of people are getting locked up for that kind of stuff, 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:38.920 and I think we should. I think that their offenses 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:41.520 and most defenses out there, if you thinking are things 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.080 are like, okay, what can we set a reasonable bond 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:46.399 here for someone? I don't have a problem with reasonableness, right, 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.000 I'm a pretty reasonable guy. But I'm sorry, but when 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:50.840 you pick up a gun or a knife, but particularly 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:55.760 a gun, I think that really narrows your your options. 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:57.560 I don't think it should be as much as they 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:02.960 talked about how bad mandatory were that totally took away 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:06.240 judicial discretion, the pendulum, as always does in America, has 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:10.080 swung the other way, where you almost are your hands 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:11.960 are tied in a sense that you can't do anything 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:14.040 but offer a slap on the wrist, as opposed to 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:19.520 real punitive outcomes for people who commit gun crimes. I mean, 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:22.680 explain me. You do it once, you take someone's word 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:24.919 at it, going okay, I'm gonna let you out, but 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:28.960 you promise not to do it again. Yeah, you promise, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:31.080 oh yeah, yeah, pinky promise. And then they go and 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:32.320 do it again. And then you go on and you 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:34.760 promise this time, it's not going to three four times. 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:37.040 It just it doesn't make any sense. And so you're 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:43.080 married to this whole ideological notion that people are inherently good, 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:45.960 and I think I think in a lot of cases 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:48.480 that's true. But you've got to judge on an individual basis. 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:49.800 If you decide you're going to pick up a gun 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:51.320 and commission of a fellow me, and you look at 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:54.479 the scope of why they did that to get money 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:59.000 to settle some sort of wacky street beef, you slapping 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:00.760 them on the wrist is not going to change them. 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:02.520 That's not a wake up call for them because they 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:05.720 simply don't care. And it's not ninety nine percent of 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:08.440 the population. It's one percent of the population or less 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.320 that does this. So why can't we get why can't 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.600 we admit, like, yeah, bail and bond reform when it 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.240 comes to offenses, like this is a bad idea, and 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.080 everyone Steve Gooden, who ran for offs many others, told 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:23.399 people it's a bad idea, and yet voters decided to 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:25.720 go with the status quo. And now you've got after 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:29.840 have Pureval, who really pushed the idea of this when 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:32.560 he was campaigning and being progressive, is now going this, 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:36.040 this is not good. So he's admitting it without admitting it, 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:39.159 if you will. Now I did mention too not to 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:42.560 belabor that this topic we've been talking about, because it's 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:46.440 just so just so incendiary to think that these people 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:48.800 could be out and committing these crimes again in the 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:50.960 blood literally is on the hands of the judges and 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:54.320 the individuals who push these policies. But I will point 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:59.160 out something else that just happened because politics, as I've 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:01.400 been talking about, and this is why I hate politics. 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:04.080 It's all about exploiting someone for votes. It doesn't matter 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:07.560 if it's true or not. So how's the ideal of 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:10.440 ball reform and restorative justice working out? Not good? Well, 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:13.920 then there's this on the other side, And ask yourself 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:21.320 if this person were transgender or an illegal alien, but 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:26.200 mainly transgender, would this have been a much much bigger story? 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:26.440 Yes? 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:30.120 Or no? Here's the story. The guy's name is Robert Dewis. 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:33.119 He's thirty seven years old. He's been indicted on charges 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:35.760 of rape, growth, sexual and position, abduction, and kidnapping in 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:38.800 Warren County by David Fornshaw, an excellent prosecutor. By the way, 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.439 he sexually assaulted a girl thirteen year old girl in 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:45.640 the bathroom of a five below store in South lebanon 0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:51.360 February six. He was released from prison seventy two hours 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:56.040 before he committed this awful, despicable crime. So the story 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:58.240 of the narratives. The child's mom is in the store. 0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:02.720 They're shopping. She sends to the changing room. I guess 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:04.879 to go try some clothes on. She left to grab 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:07.600 a different pair of pants. The mother had locked the 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:12.399 bathroom and arranged a special knock, so she knew it 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:16.080 was mom and not someone else. Well, Deuise was standing 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:20.080 there and heard what the knock was, and then as 0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:22.359 she turned her back, he went and knocked on the door, 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:26.720 and so he went in there, and the girl screamed, 0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:29.080 which they called the lions War, which I did not 0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:30.560 know what that was, so I looked it up. It's 0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:33.400 the way they're teaching kids to react in a situation 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:36.480 like this is to scream. Deuise flees. He was later 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:39.840 arrested at a relative's home. He had already the grand 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:42.960 jariy doesn't he made a sexually violent predator because the 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:45.920 victim was thirteen years old and there's a prior conviction 0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:48.719 five years ago in Fairfield County for the sexual assault 0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:51.560 of a childhooder thirteen. The judge, how about this in 0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:54.679 Warren County held him. He's being held on a seven 0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:58.639 hundred two thousand dollars cash only bond. He's got to 0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:03.320 put up seven hundred, two thousand dollars and he's being 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:07.480 arraigned today as a matter of fact, seven hundred. If 0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:09.840 this or Hamlin County judge, he'd probably be it'd be 0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:11.720 an a war bahn, right, he'd be on his own recognity. 0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:13.560 You promise not to do this again. Oh yeah, yeah, okay, 0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:15.560 go ahead, here you go when I will give you 0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:17.320 an ankle monitor, but we know you'll cut it off. Here, 0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:19.600 here's pair of scissors. Good, good luck with that. If 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:23.000 that were Hamlin County, Warren County, f around and find out. 0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:26.399 But I'm gonn getting off in the weeds here, as 0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:29.880 I often often do, had this if so the story 0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:31.600 it was a big story of people like, oh, that's awful, 0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:35.080 But it wasn't a big story. It was a horrible 0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:37.160 story that has already been bumped from the headlines. 0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:38.440 Now. 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.320 I asked at the beginning, you know, if you're a conservative, 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:45.159 ask yourself if this person were transgender, would be a 0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:47.720 much bigger story. And the answer is absolutely it would. 0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:54.080 Because it would absolutely it'd validate everything we heard in 0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:58.480 the last election cycle. And I think that's the problem 0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:00.400 I have with politics, is you will twist the truth, 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:02.960 you'll take things out of context. Look, you know, to me, 0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:06.400 I don't if you're transgender, I don't want. I don't 0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:08.159 think it's right for you to play on if you're 0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:12.879 a man playing out a women's sports team, it's unfair Okay, 0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:18.440 if it's a a locker room, I think that's probably 0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:20.760 more weird for the trans person than it is for 0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:22.760 the individuals in there. But I can see a point 0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:24.320 there when it comes as a bathroom, everybody has the 0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:26.600 poop and pee, Like you don't have a choice. You 0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:29.760 have a choice to play sports, right, you have a 0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:32.320 choice to play being a locker room, you don't have 0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:33.560 a choice to go to the bath Everyone goes to 0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:35.760 the bathroom regardless of what kind of plumbing you handed 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:37.400 either God gave you. And if you think that God 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:40.520 and only God, and that's fine, it's that's your core belief. 0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:42.719 I respect that, I fight for that. I'm with you, 0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:46.199 But clearly your core belief is not someone else's. And 0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:50.679 that's the problem that you know, I've been going to 0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:54.760 a public restroom now for most of my adult life. 0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:58.680 I don't I have never, ever, ever known the sexual 0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:00.760 orientation of the person next to be in the urnal 0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:05.240 Like you don't check, you know, meet, I'm not about 0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:07.080 to meet gaze in a public restaurant. If you want 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.159 to be a meat gazer, that's on you. If you're 0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:10.919 a woman, you're in a stall, how would you know 0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:14.320 if you're in a stall. What the genders of the 0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:17.679 person that you don't know? And the idea is that 0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:19.159 well they're you know, they get in the restroom and 0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:22.040 then this is what happened. If this again were a 0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:25.320 transgender individual who rape this girl at the five below 0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:28.639 in Lebanon, it would be a national talking part, right, 0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:31.640 it would be Fox News, News, Mats, all the conservative 0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:35.720 right leaning platforms would be all over this thing. But 0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:37.520 this is like, oh, it's what a horrible story. I 0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:40.240 hope they and this sob This bastard should get wh 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:41.879 he gets in prison. I think the inmates take care 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:43.920 of this guy as well. He should. 0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:46.359 And we know that. 0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:49.000 You know, the crime data and research about sexual assaults 0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:52.320 and restrooms, which is extremely rare, or public spaces for 0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.159 that matter, the vast majority are sis gender men, right, 0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:58.320 those are straight men. If you look at the FBI 0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:01.760 crime data over the years, over ninety nine percent of 0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:06.280 all convicted sexual offenders in the US fall into this category. 0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:11.000 Documented cases of restroom sexual assault most commonly involved cisgender 0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:14.919 male perpetrators targeting women or children, voyeurism, hidden cameras, stuff 0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:18.800 like that. It's generally straight men. I mean, it's not 0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:23.159 generally it is pretty much all straight men. So and 0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:26.560 actually the exact obbet is true. Sexual violence committed by 0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:30.080 someone known as the victim is more likely, but transgender 0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:31.960 people more likely be the victims of these types of 0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:35.199 assaults as opposed to the perpetrators of them. Like you know, 0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:38.080 as someone who is close to being libertarian than anything 0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:40.600 on the station, Like, I don't really care if you're 0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:43.880 happy to being that person. It doesn't hurt me at all. 0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.960 It doesn't threaten my masculinity, doesn't. 0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:47.960 You know. 0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:51.200 It's America, God bless America. It's a country where you 0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:53.280 can be what you want to be. Oh my god, 0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:56.760 the morals and you have no morality. It's like morality 0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:01.440 is relative, right, I mean, look at look at the 0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:08.080 twisting that Christians have done and compromised values or core beliefs, 0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:11.200 and just in the last five years alone. So you know, 0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.840 you can twist if you could twist anything to fit 0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:17.600 your own belief narrative. So in this case, like I 0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:19.680 just I simply don't care if you're happy being that 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:26.120 good for you. The world is a miserable place, not all, 0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:28.840 but it feels that way, right, So I look at 0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:32.120 it and go, Okay, you're happy being you. I have 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:34.760 a lot of questions. I don't understand it, but I 0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:37.600 support you. As long as there's no one is being victimized, 0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:39.280 that's all I care about. There's no victims in that 0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:42.080 if you decide to do that to you. And I 0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:43.920 think the other thing is true with children. I you know, 0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:46.400 not a lot of young young people are having these 0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:50.640 types of surgeries, nor should they because I think, you know, 0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:55.040 maybe by the time you're fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, if 0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:58.280 it's pretty clear that's who you are. But again, at 0:29:58.320 --> 0:29:59.800 the end of the day, it's up to the parents. 0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:01.840 That the state takes over and tells the parents and 0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:04.200 doctors what to do. I don't again, we have the 0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:07.200 writers Americans to screw our kids up. There's no shortage 0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:12.920 of of wacky adults because parenting is an imperfect science. Well, 0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:16.560 you're maiming and new Well, okay, if you're maiming them, 0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:20.960 I mean we have we have medical boards that oversee that. 0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:25.040 And I would say, oh, well, isn't circumcision doing that then? 0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:27.880 I mean, if you're going to split hairs, is there 0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:30.400 any medical reason for circumcising boys? 0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:30.520 No? 0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:33.520 So why do we continue doing that, that's general mudulation. 0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:36.560 To me, it's the same thing as long as you're 0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:38.520 not abusing your kid and trying to make that abuse 0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:40.960 when it's a thought out decision, a different story entirely. 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:45.000 It's between you and your physician. Like people screw their 0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:46.640 kids up all the time, we we do a really 0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:48.520 good job at screwing our kids up. I don't know 0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:49.959 if that screws them up or not. I don't know, 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:54.520 but that doesn't harm me, and I guess in this case, 0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:56.040 I look at it going, well, here's after that Pure 0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:59.760 Vault and other progressives in Cincinnati that have fought for 0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:03.320 better reform and in particular what they call restorative justice, 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:06.120 and it's led to while the shooting at Riverfront Live 0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:09.560 shouldn't have happened, nine people are are shot today because 0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.360 the policies are well, we got to be kinder to criminals, 0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.720 to criminals, okay, these are violent, predatory criminals. No, we 0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:17.520 still have to you cut your ankle, mon or off. 0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:20.600 It's fine. And look at the bloody history here, whether 0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:24.959 it's Mordecai Black with Patrick Harringer, the shooting in front 0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:28.360 of City Bird on Fountain Square, the downtown brawl now 0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:30.360 we have Riverfront Live and it's on and on and on, 0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:33.800 and we just treat these perpetrators, these predators with kid gloves. 0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:37.080 On the other side, we have this straight man who 0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:41.640 raped a girl in a in a store changing or 0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:44.240 a bathroom, I guess it were. And had that been, 0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:46.640 you know, one of these parties we're talking about, it'd 0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:48.640 be a different story. In time to be national news. 0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:51.480 A crisis, we have to pass laws, but it doesn't 0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:53.479 fit in there, and that it probably happens every day, sadly. 0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.640 But that's what I hate about poultice. The exploitative nature 0:31:56.640 --> 0:32:00.320 of it is that you have to essentially what's your 0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:02.120 core beliefs around and say you have core beliefs when 0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:05.600 you don't to fit what the expectation pattern is. If 0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:07.520 who has efforts you're trying to get to vote for you. 0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:10.000 That's why politics is like, just stay out of my way, 0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:14.520 because it's just it's kind of icky right on both sides. 0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:18.120 And that's where we are. Anyway, slowly here seven hundred 0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:20.400 WW got news coming up at about ten minutes now, 0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:23.000 about eight minutes from now. My math is bad. I apologize. 0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:26.680 There's issues involving people over the age of sixty. If 0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:30.360 you or someone you love is sixty or older, we 0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:32.600 have a ration new crime. Speaking to crimes, we'll get 0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:34.440 into that with Dennison Keller coming up in just a 0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:37.560 few minutes. If you're older in sixty, we have a 0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:40.400 disturbing pattern now that's developed over the last few years 0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:42.600 with of course those types of crimes. The latest on 0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:45.840 what's going on in Iran, more missiles launched, our embassies 0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:49.320 and consulates under siege as it were, and now we 0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:53.400 have to come up with the strategy. As often in America, 0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:55.920 the case is we go and we blow something up, 0:32:56.480 --> 0:33:00.120 and we don't have an exit strategy. No love laws. 0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:05.280 For Komani, as a small child in seventy nine, I 0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:08.640 recall the hostages, I recall the crisis. I recall those things, 0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:11.720 and that has been true now for forty six years. 0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:14.760 And so I look at this and go, all right, 0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:17.800 Am I sad that they overthrow him they killed him? No, 0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:20.840 not at all. Now I'm a little concerned because his 0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:24.640 son is now the new leader of whatever it is, 0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:27.960 the total Terian state over there in Iran, and I 0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:29.840 think we got to probably go after him. But him 0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:33.560 dying and getting taken out by US missiles and Israelis. 0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:36.280 I'm fine with that. The problem is, though we have 0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:39.840 to have Congress involved, We have to decide on the 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:41.800 War Powers Act. There's a lot of decisions have to 0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:44.320 be made here in the next month or two in 0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:47.120 order to facilitate this, because you just simply can't have 0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:50.000 another conflict. We're engaging with no end in sight whatsoever. 0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:51.560 I don't want to hear four or five weeks or 0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:54.440 four or five months, or four or five years. What 0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:56.520 are we trying to do over there? What's the mission? 0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:01.880 And countless presidents, whether it's a Republican, whether it's a Democrat, 0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:06.560 an Obama launched missiles, I look at the same thing. 0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:09.279 It's like, it's time for Congress now to actually step 0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:13.400 up and do their jobs and intervene on this thing. Otherwise, 0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.480 I mean, what is the point of having these branches 0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:19.239 of government if they're not going to be engaged. Constitution's 0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:22.680 very specific in what each body should be doing. We 0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:24.680 just simply can't allow it to the executive branch and 0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:26.600 the president, whoever that might be, to make all these 0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:29.919 decisions with no checks in place from Congress. It's time 0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:32.000 for them to step up. What are we doing over there? 0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:34.440 What's the point? When does it end? How do we 0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:37.399 get out? We need some answers, we need some diplomacy, 0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:39.759 We need a little bit of leadership, if you will. 0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:42.360 So I mentioned that's the problem of politics, where they 0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:44.839 campaign all all this stuff, all this noise, and then 0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:49.520 you elect them and they're mia. You want to talk 0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:53.560 about negligence, The body of Congress right now, in my opinion, 0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:56.760 is negligent. They don't do anything. They don't have Basically, 0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:58.600 all you guys do is vote to shut down government 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:00.600 or not vote to shut down government. The case may be, 0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:03.280 what is the point of all these elections and sending 0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:08.600 you to Washington if you're not doing anything? News is 0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:12.280 coming up in five here Sloany, seven hundred ww Cincinnati. 0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:16.160 You want to be an American? It's a Scott Sloan 0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:18.960 show back on seven hundred WILDW. The good news for 0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:22.560 people over eight sixty five, and every day we get 0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:25.120 closer to that. If you're inside that number, congrats you 0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:27.520 made it. Good news is you're less likely to be 0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:30.040 victims of violent crime than your children and grandchildren. The 0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:33.239 bad news is older Americans are highly likely much more 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:36.360 likely to fall victim to financial crimes. It is the 0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:40.280 fastest growing sector. If you're over sixty, you're talking about 0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.920 twenty eight billion and lost money's FBI said year over 0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:46.440 year over year, worried about fifteen to twenty five percent 0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:49.880 increases every single year for these scams. Dennison Keller is 0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:52.719 a reform journalist locally as a reform journalist and now 0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:56.280 a practicing attorney. Is an elder law attorney here in Cincinnati. 0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:57.319 Dennison Keller, welcome back. 0:35:57.400 --> 0:35:59.919 Are you thank you so much for having me on again. 0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:00.919 It's good to hear your boy. 0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:03.000 Yeah, yeah, how many years he been practicing law? Now 0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:05.880 from if you may remember Dennison on TV. 0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:10.360 You know it's nineteen years now, so not gonna twenty 0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:12.440 so I believe it or not. I have been an 0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:15.480 elder law attorney longer than I was a journalist, but 0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:16.520 I still bear the scar. 0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:23.279 Yeah right right, yeah, smart guy, Dennison is something like 0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:25.960 one in six people six year older were subjected to 0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:28.040 some form of abuse. I mean, we can talk about 0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:30.359 that too, But the biggest, the fastest growing. The FBI 0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:33.919 just pointed this out is financial crimes. So let's get 0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:37.760 into that. I'm guessing that probably investment scams were the biggest, 0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:40.520 like I'd be probably the costliest. 0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:43.440 Right, Well, it's just a little bit of everything, Scott. 0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:45.719 And you know you mentioned my career as a journalist 0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:48.200 and not to get too much into it, but it's 0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:51.319 stuff like this, frankly that halfway inspired me to get 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:53.920 into elder law. I mean, I remember doing stories for 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:56.719 Channel twelve on the old They called them pigeon drop 0:36:56.760 --> 0:37:00.560 schemes where a person would have approached an elderly person 0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:03.480 on the parking lot of a bank and then convince 0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:06.400 them that hey, I've got this access to this major 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:08.640 reward that I get, but I can't get it because 0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:10.439 I don't have a driver's license, and if you give 0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:12.680 me money, I'll share it with you. And of course 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.120 the elderly person gives them the money, and then the 0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:17.759 person takes off and then runs away. I remember doing 0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:22.240 a story a number of years ago, and as social 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:25.879 media was kind of stepping up, where some scammer got 0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:30.840 onto an elderly persons social media page impersonated the in 0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:34.360 person and themselves as that person's grandchild that they're in 0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:36.640 jail and you got to send me bail money. So 0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:39.200 I remember doing it back then and It's just it's 0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:46.040 so frustrating because, man, the government institutions are trying so hard. 0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:49.959 I mean, Ohio has its Elder Justice Union, Kentucky has 0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:54.080 its Office of Senior Protection, the FBI has this World 0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:57.680 Abuse Awareness Month, and yet the problem just keeps getting 0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:00.960 worse and worse and worse. And I think there are 0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:04.319 multiple factors would go into that. You know, one is 0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:07.440 that just the demographics of it. We're getting older and 0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:11.320 older and older, particularly in America. And then and then secondly, 0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:16.759 you know, our population of senior citizens is very, very wealthy. Uh. 0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:20.960 And then thirdly, the technology is just so good for 0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:23.719 scammers h and they keep finding ways to exploit it, 0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:26.280 and they always seem to be two or three steps 0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:29.320 ahead of both law enforcement and unfortunately the senior citizens 0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:29.640 and their. 0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:32.760 Families typically in the cases you've seen or heard anyway, 0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:36.880 Dennison Keller, are they are these offshore enterprises as opposed 0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:38.440 to being here in the United States. 0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:42.760 You know, not necessarily. My own father was scammed, Scott, 0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:45.840 and it's one of the classic ones. You see somebody 0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:49.240 hacking to his computer and because I'm sure he clicked 0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:52.680 on some sort of link and the scammers would lock 0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:56.400 up his computer and the only way he could unlock 0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:59.640 is be kept paying them service fees. And unfortunately, the 0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:03.680 nation or that scam was not such that they got 0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:08.359 into his financial information. Maybe they tried, I don't know, 0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:13.319 but the bottom line was they kept extracting more and 0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:17.000 more money from him to fix their computer. And of 0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:19.200 course they say were for Microsoft and were licensed and 0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:22.640 et cetera, et cetera. And he kept telling us that 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:25.200 this was happening, and I kept telling him, Dad, this 0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:27.920 is a scam. Trust me on this. And that's part 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:31.239 of the frustration as well, is you know, a lot 0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:34.680 of times elders just don't want to admit that they've 0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:38.080 been taken, you know. And here you think you have 0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:40.759 a really smart guy. He owned his own business. This 0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:44.960 is before he passed away, and he has a son 0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:48.680 who's an elderlaw attorney who's saying, Dad, this is a scam. 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:52.120 You have to stop this. But he would not believe me. 0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:55.799 He believed them, and he got to the point where 0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:58.080 he was so nervous he wouldn't open his computer in 0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:01.600 his own home. He was driving twelve miles away to 0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:04.720 my sisters who sits across the border in Mainsbook, Kentucky, 0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:07.640 and that's where he would get online to do his 0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:10.239 banking and such, because he was so nervous about it. 0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:15.040 And it was only about a year or two after 0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:18.560 he died, and he died four years ago that I 0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:21.120 got a letter from the New York Attorney General that 0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:24.760 they had copied people and they were looking for victims 0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:28.080 statements and things like that. And we did not participate 0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:29.960 in that because he had passed away. But that was 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:32.560 a New York operation. So yeah, I can be all 0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:36.319 seed all shore overseas, but a lot of times they're 0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:37.439 right hearing out of states as well. 0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:37.719 Yeah. 0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:39.520 And the hard part about it is and where our 0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:43.719 fastball gets slower and slower with every passing day, as 0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:46.760 we know, and as we approach that age of sixty 0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:50.200 sixty five seventy, it's also difficult to keep up with 0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:52.839 evolving technology and how these scammers work because it's an 0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:56.960 ever evolving enterprise and so you do have to put 0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:59.000 your hubris aside. You have to go, hey, listen, I 0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:01.680 don't know everything was supposed to be, you know, older 0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:05.080 and wiser, Well, keeping up with technology is really really hard. 0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:07.080 Trust me, I get that. I see it all the 0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:10.480 time AI is coming into fruition. Now that that is 0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:12.560 a game changer, and so it's going to get harder 0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:15.600 and harder and harder to detect these financial crimes, especially 0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:16.320 against the elderly. 0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:20.480 It is, it's not just against the elderly. You know, 0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:24.360 I was on a law conference last week in Seattle 0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:29.279 and my associate attorney was was with me, and you know, 0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:31.800 she had taken a couple ubers using the corporate card, 0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:34.160 and of course I get this alert, Hey, somebody who 0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:36.680 is using an uber in Seattle? Is this legit? And 0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:40.440 this is from American Express? And they American Express asked 0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:43.880 you to click and verify Yes, this is a legitimate extent. 0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:47.160 And I really had to think because I'm like, whoa 0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:50.359 is this from American Express? Because I don't want out 0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:53.279 this to be a trojan horse. And so I went 0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:58.359 and looked from two different vantage points, you know, did 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:00.640 a search and called American Express, hey are you actually 0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:02.920 emailing me? And you know you made fun of me 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:06.279 as a journalist and right leak. So but if there 0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:09.040 really are some good principles and journalism that you can apply, 0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:14.680 I think too elderly scams or financial exploitation and that 0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:18.960 golden rule is check your sources. Check your sources. Don't 0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:23.400 just take the person or the email at base value. 0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:26.920 Get come two different other sources. Whether you get a 0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:29.160 call saying, hey, you want a lottery and give me 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:31.600 your credit card and I'll give you your lottery earnings, 0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:34.560 or getting an email that they asking you to click 0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:39.520 on something, Open up a different browser, type in Hey, 0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:42.520 is this a scam? Or does this actually happen? Call 0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:44.320 on a couple of different look for a couple of 0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:47.760 different phone numbers, Call your family, does this sound Legit 0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:52.520 is my grandchild actually in jail? And try to verify 0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:56.080 that way. And then the other golden role is God, 0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:59.359 just just do not give out your personal information. If 0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:04.200 you think raw, why on earth would anybody be calling 0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:07.720 you to get your solid security number or your bank information? 0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:10.920 Right right, It's gonna be a scam. Yeah, period. Yeah, 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:13.319 So when in doubt, get out, or the you. 0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:14.920 Know, the one we get all the time is like, hey, 0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:17.520 I'm a recruiter from and I saw your resumes, Like, well, 0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:19.400 I don't have a resume out there, and that's an 0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:22.040 easily dismissed once, or the you know, the hello text 0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:24.520 that we get from some unknown number. You know, that's 0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:26.440 kind of a fishing scan. But the sad part about it. 0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:29.279 And Dennison Cutter, by the way, elder law attorney here 0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:32.560 in Cincinnati. Uh, as we talk about the fastest rising 0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:35.040 crime that the FBI is alert a sound, and that 0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:39.360 is elder financial crimes here in the United States. You know, 0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:43.080 you get those messages, it's like, Okay, who do I trust? Uh? 0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:45.479 You know you mentioned the journalism thing too. I'll point 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:47.799 out it struck me as there's a you know, back 0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:49.719 in the glory days of the AP, I suppose there 0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:51.680 was a sign in their room that said, hey, if 0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:54.600 your mother says she loves you, check it out, which 0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:56.720 is kind of funny, but it's true. 0:43:56.800 --> 0:44:01.880 Right, That's that's a great at a great antidote, it 0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:04.200 really is. You just got to check it out, check 0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:06.800 your sources. And you know, the thing is, we're always 0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:10.239 bombarded with it, you know, back in nineteen eighty four. 0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:11.680 And it sounds like it's going to good off topic, 0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:13.719 but it is kind of related. I think you know, 0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:18.080 the Irish Republican Army tried to assassinate Margaret Thatcher with 0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:20.440 a bombing to the Brighton Hotel and it was a 0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:24.520 foiled plot. It did not work, thank god. But they 0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:28.640 said after that, Okay, we were unlucky today, but remember 0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:31.960 we only have to be lucky once. You have to 0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:34.560 be lucky always. And it was an intimous quote from 0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:37.000 the nurch and Public Army, and I think that applies here. 0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:41.000 You just cannot let your guard down. I just was 0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:44.960 working on our employee manual for our law firm and 0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:51.200 had a long segment about particularly using the computer and 0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:54.799 being aware of phishing scams and malware and ransom and 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:58.040 all of it. And I kept putting the same line 0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:00.600 at the end of the ten do not open it. 0:45:00.840 --> 0:45:04.160 Do not open it, verify it. And you know the 0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:09.240 thing is, Unfortunately a lot of legitimate companies aren't thinking 0:45:09.280 --> 0:45:12.840 about that either. It drives me crazy. My insurance carrier 0:45:13.239 --> 0:45:17.040 will send me each year an email with my new policy, 0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:20.000 and all in it says is a one line a 0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:23.600 tax is a copy of your new professional liability policy. 0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:28.160 That's it, you know, And I mean that was like 0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:30.319 that to be a damn right. You're going to call 0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:34.120 the insurance carrier like you actually send this, so you 0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:37.600 can't just shortcut on the steps. Unfortunately, you just have 0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:40.439 to be vigilant again, check your sources. Like you said, 0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:42.120 if your mom, if your mom says she loves you, 0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:42.680 check it out. 0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:44.640 That that's a great I've. 0:45:44.360 --> 0:45:47.120 Heard that I love. I love deleting everything. It's like 0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:51.080 if it's coming at me, and eventually, if it's important, 0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:53.640 they'll continue to age up to me in other forms. 0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:55.960 So I you know, I have a very small and 0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:58.279 tight circle. But I get it if you're older, and 0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:02.360 especially as we live longer, and you see it Denison Keller, 0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:06.040 and that would be we wind up with things like 0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:08.399 Alzheimer's and dementia and the like, and not all that 0:46:08.560 --> 0:46:11.120 we're isolated. Our friends are dying off, maybe our family 0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:14.200 is halfway across the country, maybe we lost a spouse. 0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:17.000 And your lonely. So I get the predatory nature of 0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:21.160 what would trigger someone who would suspend their wilful disbelief 0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:26.160 at a romance scam or a financial scam, because people 0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:27.880 are lonely, and no matter how much you tell them, hey, 0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:29.680 it's a scam, it's a romance scam. They want to 0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:32.879 believe that there's a human connection out there for them. 0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:34.839 And it's so tragic that people exploit that. 0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:38.560 It really is and it's just the worst kind of 0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:41.120 evil I think. I mean, here you have individuals who 0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:45.360 have lived a life and raised children and worked a career, 0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:49.799 and they enjoy they should be able to enjoy the 0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:53.719 fruits of that life well lived, and yet they are 0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:57.000 the ones who are targeted more than others because they 0:46:57.080 --> 0:46:59.360 might not be a tech savvy or they might be 0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:01.320 to or whatever. 0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:02.000 You know. 0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:06.279 The the High Department of Aging has a great website. 0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:09.280 If you just google, I'm gonna give you a whole link. 0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:12.440 But if you just google the High Department of Aging 0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:16.960 scams and they actually have a list of all of 0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:20.520 the most curtinent or prevalent scams that are going on 0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:22.600 right now, and there are links to that, and the 0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:26.680 links go to ARP articles, which also doesn't even deeper 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:29.720 dive into those scams. And you know, to be honest 0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:32.759 with you, Scott, in preparation of his call, I look 0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:36.719 back to that situation with my own father and I 0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:40.080 thought myself, dang, you know, I should have Nott with 0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:46.680 him and shown him this website, right because he's never 0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:49.480 gonna believe me because he changed my diapers. It's just 0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:51.440 you just never get over it. To the parent, you 0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:56.160 always have a degree of father knows best, mother knows best. 0:47:57.080 --> 0:48:01.120 But if it comes from an ultimate source who's not child, well, 0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:04.160 then a lot of times they're more apt to believe that. Yeah, 0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:05.799 and we see that as an elder law firm all 0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:09.160 the time. Sure, not necessarily with scams, but with all things, 0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:10.919 the sense of, hey, you know, maybe it is time 0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:12.600 to move outside of the house, Maybe you should get 0:48:12.600 --> 0:48:14.279 a home health care agency'd give you a better chance 0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:16.440 to stay inside of out. There's coming from the kids. 0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:18.000 The parents just don't listen to it. 0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:20.439 So, yeah, if it comes from somebody in a lab 0:48:20.480 --> 0:48:23.120 code or an official or the government in this case, 0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:24.920 they're they're more apt to believe it because of the 0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:26.880 authoritary nature of it. They ain't gonna listen to you 0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:27.600 because you're the kid. 0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:31.640 That's exactly right. You know, a lot of those authoritative figures, 0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:36.040 most of those authoritative figures are required by law now, 0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:39.359 and the attorneys are one of them to report if 0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:42.480 they reasonably suspect some sort of elder abuse, whether it's 0:48:42.480 --> 0:48:45.080 physical or financial or sexual or whatever it is. So 0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:47.359 we have to do that. And so you have an 0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:49.640 ally right there, and you know that's part of as well, 0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:53.800 is a lot of elders do have a great team 0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:56.279 that they just utilize that team. You know, they've got 0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:58.600 a loving daughter, they've got a loving son, they've got 0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:02.279 close friends, they've got care givers who are good, and 0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:08.080 relying on them to help protect them can be a 0:49:08.200 --> 0:49:11.040 huge advantage in the situation. Not everybody's blessed with that, 0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:13.719 and you certainly recognize that. But the ones that are, 0:49:14.280 --> 0:49:17.000 you should utilize those people as long as you trust them, 0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:19.560 you know. And a financial power of attorney is also 0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:23.760 a very big tool. Got to help elders prevent themselves 0:49:23.760 --> 0:49:26.399 from good interviews in the sense. And now you've got 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:28.799 somebody who can look at that bank account, who can 0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:31.800 see these transactions that are going on, who can intervene 0:49:31.920 --> 0:49:35.560 or as the authority to intervene on your behalf, and 0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:38.239 then perhaps that person can help protect you against the 0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:41.360 scam as well. Obviously, you only choose somebody that you 0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:42.000 can trust. 0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:42.480 You know. 0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:44.960 We always ask when we're doing financial powers of attorney, 0:49:45.080 --> 0:49:48.880 you know, well, Scott, you trust your son? Well, you know, 0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:52.759 Jim is the oldest. That wasn't the question, do you 0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:57.480 trust your son? But he's good with money? And I'm like, 0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:02.120 that's worse, you can't trust them, and he's good with money. 0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:07.279 But really, I mean you, if you do have that 0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:10.640 person you can trust, you know, use them because they 0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:13.719 can offer a tremendous buffer against scams that we've been 0:50:13.760 --> 0:50:14.720 talking about this morning. 0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:18.359 Yeah, well, my parents are both passed, but when we're 0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:20.239 to look at their will, they made my middle brother 0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:23.520 executor and like, I don't really care. That's fine. And 0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:25.839 you know I mentioned to my mom and she's like, yeah, 0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:28.280 it's because you know, he's good with paperwork. He's smarter 0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:32.640 than you. It's the greatest thing ever. He's like, that's 0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:35.480 what he does. Yeah, listen, we need something fixed or talking. 0:50:35.719 --> 0:50:37.480 You don't do that. This is what he does. So 0:50:38.719 --> 0:50:41.280 it was it was really a funny, my laugh outload moment. 0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:44.680 He's Dennison Keller. He's a local elder law attorney. And 0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:47.800 uh again, if you are dealing with these issues or 0:50:47.920 --> 0:50:50.640 anything related maybe to your parents or yourself, definitely gon 0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:52.759 need to reach out because he's great. Dennis and all 0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:54.000 the best. Thanks for jumping on this morning. 0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:56.560 Oh thanks for always having me out. I really appreciate it. 0:50:56.600 --> 0:50:57.360 S very conversation. 0:50:57.760 --> 0:51:01.880 The word of the day is moisture. Moisture. Dang, it 0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:04.319 was raining this morning. Continue to rain. I will the 0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:06.400 rain ever end? We'll have that question to answered for you. 0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:09.440 Here about five minutes a full weather, traffic and news update, 0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:11.759 and then we returned to the show. It's Julie on 0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:13.360 the Job on seven hundred at. 0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:22.160 Giving you a vocational leg up on everyone else. Here's 0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:24.400 our career, Julie Balki. 0:51:24.520 --> 0:51:27.120 Yeah, lots to talk about today, some of it lighter, 0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:29.840 some of it heavier. Julie's got you all covered this morning. 0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:32.600 It's Julie on the Job. Welcome friend, how are you? 0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:33.200 Haw's lying? 0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:37.719 Good morning for I am fine and yourself. 0:51:38.160 --> 0:51:41.880 You don't care anyway, let's I so much? 0:51:43.120 --> 0:51:43.560 So much? 0:51:43.680 --> 0:51:46.480 Your hrre You don't you know? It's probably I'm probably 0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:50.160 talking to you, probably talking to some sort of I 0:51:50.200 --> 0:51:52.759 don't know. Are you a bot? Are you? I don't know. 0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:56.160 It could be AI. I have no idea. We have 0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:59.000 a case again acting badly in the workplace. Seems like 0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:01.360 we talk about this frequent. This one is rather interesting 0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:04.920 in in New York City where a woman who was 0:52:04.960 --> 0:52:07.520 giving I know she's doing some sort of roundtable or something. 0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:09.879 They had a microphone on. Careful of the live mic. 0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:12.759 That's that. Being in the business that I'm in, I 0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:16.160 understand the power of the live microphone. What happened here? 0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:20.560 Yeah, So there was a sort of a discussion going 0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:25.040 on on Zoom of whether or not a certain school 0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:29.799 should be closed, and a professor at Hunter College in 0:52:29.840 --> 0:52:35.240 New York was a New York City Community Education Council meeting. 0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:42.799 She made she made an extremely racist comment and I 0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:44.879 don't know. The thing is like, I don't know who 0:52:44.920 --> 0:52:47.880 she thought she was talking to. So there's several people 0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:54.160 on this call, and she she makes this horrible comment. 0:52:54.640 --> 0:52:56.960 Everybody can hear her, and a person jumps in and 0:52:57.000 --> 0:53:01.080 says her name and says, what you're saying is absolutely hearrible. Now, 0:53:01.280 --> 0:53:06.160 in other word, f T f U stop. And it 0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:10.680 was it was so clear that what she was saying, 0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:15.360 when what she was saying about the topic in hand, 0:53:15.480 --> 0:53:18.280 she clearly was not the right person to be making 0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:22.480 this decision. It was extremely racist, and she's been suspended. 0:53:23.239 --> 0:53:25.400 And well what did she say, Jolan? 0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:25.520 Why? 0:53:25.680 --> 0:53:25.799 What? 0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:26.080 Whoa? 0:53:26.160 --> 0:53:26.239 So? 0:53:26.320 --> 0:53:31.279 What was so racist? Why did you all right, I'm 0:53:31.360 --> 0:53:35.319 kidding you were going to do it? 0:53:36.440 --> 0:53:39.160 No, No, it wasn't like she didn't use a Flur. 0:53:39.800 --> 0:53:42.200 It was what she said about call a group of 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:44.640 people dumb and they're too dumb to blah blah blah 0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:50.600 and yeah, and so everybody, I'm like, whoa, if you 0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:53.360 really feel that way, you should not be in this group. 0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:56.319 Should you even have your job. It's just it made me. 0:53:56.600 --> 0:53:59.560 It's taking my hand, like have we I mean, I 0:53:59.600 --> 0:54:02.280 don't know we would talk back in twenty twenty twenty 0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:05.480 twenty one, when everything was on zoom, everybody had a 0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:09.160 story someone forgetting their camera was on and like going 0:54:09.160 --> 0:54:10.760 to the bathroom or changing clothes. 0:54:11.960 --> 0:54:14.360 The guy who was the guy was pleasuring himself. And 0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:18.799 then we had the the CNN guy right, Yeah, I 0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:19.399 look at that. 0:54:19.400 --> 0:54:23.000 And I think, okay, and he's back. And I don't 0:54:23.080 --> 0:54:26.279 think if I got caught doing something really embarrassing on 0:54:26.400 --> 0:54:29.280 live TV like that the whole world saw, I don't 0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:31.640 think I could ever crawl back out from under my rock. 0:54:33.320 --> 0:54:35.800 But I guess sometimes you've just got. 0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:36.040 To get back O. 0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:38.080 We live in an error where people don't care. I mean, 0:54:38.239 --> 0:54:40.359 just you know, it's all about you anyway. There's no 0:54:40.440 --> 0:54:42.360 sense of shame anymore. 0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:45.000 Oh, it's just like yeah, I guess. 0:54:45.560 --> 0:54:47.800 And also on top of that. Everybody's memory is so short. 0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:49.360 Yeah, yeah, because it happens with the. 0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:53.520 Yeah. And if we said seeing and guy think that's 0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:58.000 actually Jeffrey Tubman, most people are like, don't, I don't 0:54:58.040 --> 0:55:01.359 remember that because our our attention spans are short. We've 0:55:01.360 --> 0:55:03.600 got a thousand things on our mind. They are more 0:55:03.640 --> 0:55:07.680 important than what something done did on TV No offended 0:55:08.160 --> 0:55:11.520 and uh, you know, and so it's it's I guess 0:55:11.640 --> 0:55:13.759 you think I gotta get back on it. If you 0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:16.200 look at Matt Lower trying to come back from what 0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:19.919 some of the stuff he did, and it's not it's 0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:22.279 not going well for him. I think was he was 0:55:22.320 --> 0:55:25.359 so bad that people like, no, you're not coming back. 0:55:25.440 --> 0:55:28.560 Yeah, But those are actual I mean physical sexual assault 0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:32.200 victims versus a slur you know. I mean again, are 0:55:32.200 --> 0:55:34.239 they both things you shouldn't do or both? Yeah, one 0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:38.040 hundred percent. But you know, the the sexual assault is 0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:41.040 also being in the position to force women to do that, 0:55:41.160 --> 0:55:44.040 like we saw with uh, you know what happened with 0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:47.640 with Fox, same thing. Uh, it's that that's a much 0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:49.279 that's a much more a graver crime. Now in this 0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:51.839 day and age, it's interesting people elevate the racial thing 0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:54.520 to that, and it shouldn't be. I mean again, it's atrocious, 0:55:54.520 --> 0:55:58.080 it's abominable, it's inexcusable. But you know when when someone 0:55:58.120 --> 0:56:00.920 is actually physically victimized sexually, that it's a whole different level. 0:56:01.960 --> 0:56:02.240 Yeah. 0:56:02.320 --> 0:56:05.080 Yeah, And so the question then becomes and we see it, 0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:07.759 I mean we see it locally, We see it, you know, 0:56:07.840 --> 0:56:12.680 in all kinds of situations, and where someone says or 0:56:12.760 --> 0:56:16.200 does something. There's something going on right now with Crossroads 0:56:17.440 --> 0:56:20.640 that it was something that was done allegedly ten years ago. 0:56:21.280 --> 0:56:24.520 So you think, okay, you know, how do we And 0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:28.279 I don't have the answer, but it's how do how 0:56:28.320 --> 0:56:32.240 do we decide? Everybody says and does things in private 0:56:32.880 --> 0:56:35.200 that they would never do in public. We jokingly say, 0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:38.720 when I die, please delete all my text chain text chains, 0:56:38.760 --> 0:56:41.840 because we all do that that we everybody has something 0:56:41.840 --> 0:56:44.760 they've done or said in the past that they would 0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:47.160 not want, as our grandma always says, on the front 0:56:47.160 --> 0:56:50.319 page of the newspaper. And so the question then is 0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:54.520 how how do we respond to this? How much how 0:56:54.560 --> 0:56:57.000 much forgiveness do we have here? Does it depend on 0:56:57.040 --> 0:56:59.759 what it is? Does it depend It's It's a fascinating 0:57:00.280 --> 0:57:03.080 fascinating thing. Though she's clearly going to be she suspended, 0:57:03.360 --> 0:57:05.399 but my guess is will either be let go from 0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:11.160 her job and definitely shall be not on that commission anymore. Okay, 0:57:11.239 --> 0:57:14.720 so when somebody brought something off Mike, you know it's 0:57:15.760 --> 0:57:16.480 I don't know, I don't know. 0:57:16.480 --> 0:57:18.520 Well, I mean, we live in a society where there's 0:57:18.560 --> 0:57:20.720 mikes and cameras all over the place, and so you 0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:22.920 have to be on alert all the time or you 0:57:23.040 --> 0:57:25.240 actually have to change your core beliefs. But I think 0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:28.360 in this case, this woman was part of the over 0:57:28.520 --> 0:57:32.160 educated class, but she was trying to either draw something 0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:35.240 from Martin Luther King Junior, and it just came out, well, 0:57:35.480 --> 0:57:38.920 it came out horribly. I still don't understand the context 0:57:39.040 --> 0:57:40.960 or what it was said. But you know you mentioned 0:57:40.960 --> 0:57:45.000 Brian Tom the pastor of Crossroad Church. Okay, this story 0:57:45.040 --> 0:57:47.600 with the open mic just happened. The tone thing happened 0:57:47.640 --> 0:57:50.240 ten years ago, and then on top of it, they 0:57:50.240 --> 0:57:53.000 had an investigation and said, hey, listen, don't it would 0:57:53.040 --> 0:57:55.360 it involved a I guess a riding cropped it on 0:57:55.400 --> 0:57:56.920 his desk and somebody asked what it was, and he 0:57:56.960 --> 0:57:59.520 showed him by saying yeah, it's for your horse, but 0:57:59.720 --> 0:58:03.440 also people use it for well bedroom behavior and simulated 0:58:03.480 --> 0:58:05.520 it on them and touching their butt with it, I guess, 0:58:05.600 --> 0:58:07.680 or rubbing their crotchest if they liked it. It's a 0:58:07.880 --> 0:58:11.040 kind of cringey, right, But you know the fact that 0:58:11.120 --> 0:58:13.960 this happened ten years ago, and also they said, hey, 0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:16.760 just okay, don't, don't do it again. That's a bad look. 0:58:16.800 --> 0:58:18.760 You're the senior pastor. Shit in't Then he admitted it, 0:58:18.800 --> 0:58:20.480 and now we're bringing it back up again. At what 0:58:20.600 --> 0:58:22.919 point do you go, it's settled. Why do we keep 0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:24.200 rehashing things like this? 0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:25.080 Yeah? 0:58:25.360 --> 0:58:28.520 I always I always keep some room to think we 0:58:28.560 --> 0:58:31.080 don't know the whole story. There could be more to 0:58:31.120 --> 0:58:33.920 it than that. And then again, I mean, when you 0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:38.840 take something and you touch someone's crouch with it, that's 0:58:38.840 --> 0:58:42.560 wrong on so many levels that you think. I think 0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:45.520 of that, and I think the thought would never cross 0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:48.720 my mind to do something like that, and I think, okay. 0:58:48.560 --> 0:58:49.880 So funny, I do that all the time. 0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:53.120 I think, I know that's what David told me right 0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:55.200 before I went on there. So we need to talk 0:58:55.200 --> 0:58:58.160 about that out there, right, But yeah, it's it's I 0:58:58.200 --> 0:59:01.600 have no answer, but I always think, Okay, we only 0:59:01.680 --> 0:59:05.919 know part of the story. We only know what's being 0:59:06.440 --> 0:59:08.680 we don't know what the what the full story is. 0:59:08.720 --> 0:59:11.120 So I always tell myself there's there's a really good 0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:13.680 chance we don't know the whole story, so let it, 0:59:13.800 --> 0:59:14.640 you know, let it evolve. 0:59:14.680 --> 0:59:15.520 But nobody can do that. 0:59:15.800 --> 0:59:17.240 I don't know. But maybe at the same time, I 0:59:17.280 --> 0:59:19.720 think there's just some some people are offended by everything 0:59:19.760 --> 0:59:22.200 that they will not let it go. I think that's 0:59:22.200 --> 0:59:26.280 also true today because everyone has a voice in a platform, 0:59:26.920 --> 0:59:28.560 and so they feel like, and I went on a 0:59:28.600 --> 0:59:30.480 second thought, I know, we investigate this, but it's still 0:59:30.520 --> 0:59:32.560 not good enough. Let's reopen this whole thing again. I 0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:34.000 think that's also true Julie. 0:59:35.520 --> 0:59:38.320 Yeah, yeah, and that can be. And it's it's like 0:59:38.400 --> 0:59:42.880 a continuum or spectrum. There are people I. 0:59:42.840 --> 0:59:45.120 Know people always agree you are. 0:59:45.080 --> 0:59:49.320 Extremely offended by the F word, and I know other 0:59:49.360 --> 0:59:52.040 people who say it every other word. Yeah, and so 0:59:52.800 --> 0:59:54.320 who's right, you know, So. 0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:56.400 It's it's well, as someone who uses the F bomb 0:59:56.400 --> 1:00:01.440 with impunity, I'm right, okay, yes, yeah, if you're if 1:00:01.480 --> 1:00:03.640 you're offended by it, I'm like, well, sorry, you're offended. 1:00:03.640 --> 1:00:05.400 But that sounds like a U problem, not a new problem. 1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:08.520 Yeah yeah, yeah. I had an old, old leader who 1:00:08.560 --> 1:00:12.840 a women leader, who would just lose her mind anytime 1:00:12.960 --> 1:00:16.960 anybody used the F word and she see, I think 1:00:17.000 --> 1:00:22.840 she really hurt herself by being so reactive. And I 1:00:22.960 --> 1:00:23.520 get it she. 1:00:23.520 --> 1:00:24.560 Didn't like it. 1:00:24.600 --> 1:00:29.080 But to to huff and puff and stump away is 1:00:29.200 --> 1:00:32.360 probably not especially when your work in a corporate environment. 1:00:32.440 --> 1:00:35.800 Should it be said? Yeah, probably not if we want 1:00:35.800 --> 1:00:37.760 to if we want an environment, but but if we 1:00:37.800 --> 1:00:40.040 want an environment where people feel comfortable. But that can 1:00:40.080 --> 1:00:42.560 go too far too so who's to say? You know, 1:00:42.680 --> 1:00:45.600 I'm not offended by it, some people are. I respect that, 1:00:45.960 --> 1:00:48.160 But then where does that when that gets into the 1:00:48.200 --> 1:00:53.080 public public sphere? What should be if a if a 1:00:53.440 --> 1:00:56.280 public official drops several F bombs on a hot mic, 1:00:56.520 --> 1:01:00.560 yeah yeah, that's not the same as saying great things 1:01:00.600 --> 1:01:03.800 on a hot mite. But again that's just my opinion. 1:01:03.920 --> 1:01:06.080 Yeah, I don't know. There's things that bother me all 1:01:06.120 --> 1:01:08.320 the time in real life that I'm like, okay, it's 1:01:08.760 --> 1:01:10.400 I'll try to avoid it or get away from it. 1:01:10.440 --> 1:01:12.480 But it's like I'm not going to force you to 1:01:12.520 --> 1:01:15.560 conduct yourself. Is to not defend me it's like you know, 1:01:15.680 --> 1:01:17.800 and I think it's different. There's kids around things like that, 1:01:17.840 --> 1:01:19.680 and certainly there are conversations where you don't want that 1:01:19.720 --> 1:01:21.880 coming out. You gotta also read the room. You can't 1:01:21.880 --> 1:01:24.000 do it all the time. I want to pivot a 1:01:24.000 --> 1:01:28.360 second here, Julie to something something that this is not 1:01:28.480 --> 1:01:30.840 my circle, but I'm around people who use this all 1:01:30.880 --> 1:01:32.920 the time, and I kind of roll my eyes. And it, 1:01:33.040 --> 1:01:35.800 of course is the age old topic of and the 1:01:35.800 --> 1:01:37.520 Wall Street Channel, by the way, the Wall Street chernel 1:01:37.560 --> 1:01:41.240 does a great job of this, using and breaking down 1:01:41.440 --> 1:01:45.320 work jargon in business and tech industries, and people got 1:01:45.320 --> 1:01:47.040 a chance to sound off on the terms that get 1:01:47.080 --> 1:01:50.040 them the most riled up. So the biggest defenders for 1:01:50.200 --> 1:01:52.800 the cultural touchstones are put a pin in it. Let's 1:01:52.880 --> 1:01:55.920 unpack that. Let's take a ten thousand foot view. Are 1:01:56.000 --> 1:01:57.479 some of the ones that made the cut. I would 1:01:57.480 --> 1:02:02.760 throw move the needle and thought leadership and words like 1:02:02.840 --> 1:02:04.480 those to me are like, man, I hear those all 1:02:04.520 --> 1:02:08.800 the time and they just sound so business cringey. 1:02:08.960 --> 1:02:11.360 Yeah, and here's some more circle let's circle back. 1:02:11.480 --> 1:02:13.240 I use circle back though, and I don't think that 1:02:13.360 --> 1:02:15.120 was like a big corporate buzzword. Now, I got to 1:02:15.120 --> 1:02:15.760 stop using it. 1:02:16.880 --> 1:02:24.240 Now, you're right thought leadership stakeholders. Yeah, and it's it's 1:02:24.280 --> 1:02:27.360 there is always corporate jargon. So one of my pet 1:02:27.400 --> 1:02:32.000 peeves is something that it just makes me, makes someone unlistenable. 1:02:32.520 --> 1:02:34.640 It's when they put the word right at the end 1:02:34.640 --> 1:02:35.640 of that every sentence. 1:02:35.800 --> 1:02:36.640 Yeah, I do. 1:02:36.800 --> 1:02:38.600 I was walking down the street right and I on 1:02:38.720 --> 1:02:41.120 a coffee shop right, and I went in right, and 1:02:41.240 --> 1:02:43.240 people do it. I was going to call one time 1:02:43.480 --> 1:02:45.800 that I have to make for an excuse to get 1:02:45.800 --> 1:02:48.800 off this call because my ears are screaming. And we 1:02:48.920 --> 1:02:51.520 do all you know, I mean, there's all the like 1:02:51.600 --> 1:02:55.480 and you know, and I certainly do plenty, but we 1:02:55.600 --> 1:02:59.560 all have our things. But yeah, it's funny because it's 1:03:00.040 --> 1:03:02.400 it's you're going to catch yourself, put a pin in it. 1:03:02.720 --> 1:03:05.760 Let's unpack that, in other words, explains me what you mean. 1:03:06.080 --> 1:03:08.920 Every single one of those phrases actually mean something. Who 1:03:08.960 --> 1:03:11.680 let's unpack that, which means tell me more about that. 1:03:13.320 --> 1:03:16.640 So they all mean something. And so certain companies, there 1:03:16.640 --> 1:03:21.200 are certain companies that will have company specific jargon, Like 1:03:21.240 --> 1:03:24.480 if you're a new person coming into that company, you 1:03:24.600 --> 1:03:28.000 are like, what does that mean? Because you've never heard 1:03:28.040 --> 1:03:31.400 it before, and so you almost inside cultures, inside companies, 1:03:31.400 --> 1:03:36.320 inside departments, there's always specific language or acronym. Let's, uh, 1:03:36.440 --> 1:03:38.920 let's take the ABC on that and come back and 1:03:38.960 --> 1:03:41.640 do an X Y Z. And you're thinking, I'm entering 1:03:41.640 --> 1:03:44.000 a foreign land here. I don't know what these people 1:03:44.040 --> 1:03:46.160 are saying, and so we all do it, we all 1:03:46.200 --> 1:03:48.840 laugh at it, and it's just it's never going away. 1:03:49.720 --> 1:03:53.760 But well, here's the thing in business, right if Julie balk, 1:03:53.880 --> 1:03:56.200 if you have an NBA, let's say, okay, there are 1:03:56.240 --> 1:03:59.720 there are things that you use to describe certain things, 1:03:59.720 --> 1:04:01.480 and Biness, you go, what the hell does that mean? 1:04:01.520 --> 1:04:04.640 Explain that in common terms, and you do. And it's like, okay, well, 1:04:04.640 --> 1:04:07.160 why don't you just say that? But but I think 1:04:07.160 --> 1:04:09.080 there's a couple of things going on here, and tell 1:04:09.080 --> 1:04:10.680 me if I'm right or wrong on this one. 1:04:11.040 --> 1:04:11.160 Uh. 1:04:11.480 --> 1:04:15.600 Number one is virtue signaling. So if you it's kind 1:04:15.600 --> 1:04:18.480 of like, uh, you know, teenagers, they have their own 1:04:18.520 --> 1:04:21.840 language and every generation or every few years, new you know, 1:04:22.000 --> 1:04:24.040 six seven comes into play and we're not supposed to 1:04:24.080 --> 1:04:26.920 know what that means. If you watch, you know, remember 1:04:27.000 --> 1:04:29.160 kids cartoons in the morning, all the commercials make fun 1:04:29.200 --> 1:04:31.520 of you know, dumb dad. Dad doesn't know, Mom doesn't know. 1:04:31.600 --> 1:04:34.040 It's kind of like a secret club because you know, 1:04:34.080 --> 1:04:35.920 we don't have agency yet, we're kids, and this is 1:04:35.960 --> 1:04:37.320 a way to stick it back to the man. And 1:04:37.360 --> 1:04:39.920 so it's punching up and that whole that that whole narrative, 1:04:39.960 --> 1:04:42.040 and so I think, but virtually signaling here is like, well, 1:04:42.280 --> 1:04:43.880 you know, these are the terms you use in business, 1:04:43.920 --> 1:04:45.439 and if you're not part of our group, you don't 1:04:45.440 --> 1:04:48.320 know what these terms mean. But every culture has it, 1:04:48.360 --> 1:04:51.280 and I don't think businesses is a culture unlike any 1:04:51.760 --> 1:04:53.959 look like other cultures out there that use their own 1:04:54.440 --> 1:04:57.640 jargon and language, as it were. So there's that signaling 1:04:57.680 --> 1:04:58.920 to show you're a part of that thing. At the 1:04:58.960 --> 1:05:02.400 same time, I'll be honest with you, I've had bosses 1:05:02.440 --> 1:05:04.840 in the past that have used language like this, the 1:05:04.880 --> 1:05:07.880 buzz or corporate buzzwords of the day, and quite honestly, 1:05:07.960 --> 1:05:11.080 I think it is to cover up for incompetence or 1:05:11.240 --> 1:05:14.600 lack of confidence and throwing the catch raises out there 1:05:14.600 --> 1:05:17.080 that you really don't know what they're doing makes you're 1:05:17.160 --> 1:05:19.480 using them to try and sound smarter than you really are, 1:05:20.080 --> 1:05:23.760 and then you use them inappropriately in different situations to 1:05:24.600 --> 1:05:27.800 kind of mask who you really are. Like, yeah, you 1:05:27.840 --> 1:05:30.040 know you're using these big words in corporate buzzwords and 1:05:30.040 --> 1:05:33.600 it sounds good, but you know when you scratch the surface, 1:05:34.320 --> 1:05:39.320 you literally are skinned. You know there's nothing there. You 1:05:39.320 --> 1:05:40.720 know what I'm saying. I don't know how to word it, 1:05:40.800 --> 1:05:42.760 is like I just feel like you're using that language 1:05:42.800 --> 1:05:46.600 and mask some sort of incompetence or your self esteem. 1:05:46.640 --> 1:05:48.720 And the more you use that, I think, the more reflective. 1:05:48.760 --> 1:05:50.440 Is Am I right wrong about that? 1:05:51.280 --> 1:05:51.480 Yeah? 1:05:51.600 --> 1:05:54.200 No, I have heard I have heard statements. You know, 1:05:54.880 --> 1:05:58.840 someone that you work with or on TV or wherever, 1:05:59.440 --> 1:06:01.920 and they they say some time, I even think you 1:06:02.000 --> 1:06:06.280 know what you just said, And it is sometimes it 1:06:06.440 --> 1:06:09.320 is a bunch of works out to cover up lack 1:06:09.360 --> 1:06:12.080 of knowledge. But if you're inside of corporation and you're 1:06:12.280 --> 1:06:14.800 the guy or woman, the man or woman you report 1:06:14.880 --> 1:06:18.200 to uses the words circle back a lot, or put 1:06:18.240 --> 1:06:20.360 a pin in it, or let's wipeboard it or let 1:06:20.720 --> 1:06:23.040 parking out, put it in the parking lot, you probably 1:06:23.160 --> 1:06:27.160 will start to use those words because that's their language 1:06:27.240 --> 1:06:29.160 and you want them to be able to understand what. 1:06:29.040 --> 1:06:30.240 You say, and vice versa. 1:06:30.920 --> 1:06:33.280 So there is sort of a you've got to I've 1:06:33.280 --> 1:06:35.200 got to be speaking the same language as you, and 1:06:35.240 --> 1:06:38.240 we just take it on really naturally a lot of 1:06:38.280 --> 1:06:42.600 times because we want the person we're reporting to to 1:06:42.680 --> 1:06:45.680 see that we understand what they're saying, and we want 1:06:45.720 --> 1:06:47.720 them to understand us, and so it's easy to fall 1:06:47.800 --> 1:06:51.800 into that. Here's how this company H. Here's how this 1:06:51.840 --> 1:06:55.000 company H follows up. We don't follow up by text, 1:06:55.040 --> 1:06:57.160 We follow up by emails, or we follow up by 1:06:57.160 --> 1:07:00.240 phone some of it, but some of it's just how 1:07:00.320 --> 1:07:03.240 we get stuff done. And it can be annoying, Yeah, 1:07:03.320 --> 1:07:07.400 especially when you know the people who said it. I 1:07:07.440 --> 1:07:10.320 don't really think you was it Princess Bride. I do 1:07:10.440 --> 1:07:13.080 not think that means what you think it means, Montoya 1:07:13.120 --> 1:07:13.760 or something like that. 1:07:13.800 --> 1:07:14.200 I don't know. 1:07:15.600 --> 1:07:18.880 Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty obvious that some of these 1:07:18.920 --> 1:07:21.320 people is like, you don't know, I actually had someone 1:07:22.200 --> 1:07:25.160 I was working for it once a long, long time ago, 1:07:25.680 --> 1:07:28.280 and I think I want to say the buzzword then 1:07:28.400 --> 1:07:31.080 was kaizen the whole Japanese principle? Right? And then me, 1:07:31.120 --> 1:07:33.480 do you use that with impunity? The point I start, 1:07:34.160 --> 1:07:37.080 I actually started like had a message or something. I 1:07:37.120 --> 1:07:39.040 showed a few people, like what the what are they 1:07:39.080 --> 1:07:40.760 talking about here? And they're like, I have no idea 1:07:40.760 --> 1:07:43.680 what this means, And so I decided to respond to 1:07:43.720 --> 1:07:46.040 them in fortune cookie. So when we got to the Chinese, 1:07:46.040 --> 1:07:48.520 I'd saved the fortune cookie fortunes and then put those 1:07:48.560 --> 1:07:50.680 in sentences and it'd be a bunch of non sequorters, 1:07:50.720 --> 1:07:52.760 made no sense whatsoever. So anytime they asked me something, 1:07:52.760 --> 1:07:55.360 I put that in there and then they respond, Wow, 1:07:55.400 --> 1:07:58.080 that is that's a really good thought provoking statement. I 1:07:58.120 --> 1:08:00.880 couldn't agree more like it's total I'm just making this up, 1:08:01.200 --> 1:08:04.040 goofing on them, and they had no idea. We just 1:08:04.080 --> 1:08:06.040 call them fortune cookies. I'm gonna I'm gonna send another 1:08:06.040 --> 1:08:07.160 fortune cookie. See what happens. 1:08:09.160 --> 1:08:11.840 I remind me to never go to Chinese lest you, 1:08:11.920 --> 1:08:13.080 because you'll do that to me. 1:08:13.120 --> 1:08:16.000 But I'll on I'm collecting. I'm collecting to give me 1:08:16.040 --> 1:08:18.360 those those those bad fortunes. I'm gonna so I can 1:08:18.400 --> 1:08:21.000 email someone and like, what are you talking about? Just 1:08:21.040 --> 1:08:23.280 talk like a normal person. Man throw an F bomb 1:08:23.280 --> 1:08:24.920 in once in a while. It's fine. I'd rather have 1:08:24.960 --> 1:08:27.360 someone in a meeting like that drop an F bomb 1:08:27.439 --> 1:08:30.240 and talk like in regular language and throw a rite 1:08:30.360 --> 1:08:32.200 or alike in there every once in a while, as opposed 1:08:32.240 --> 1:08:33.880 to talking in haikus. 1:08:34.720 --> 1:08:37.680 Yeah hikus, yeah noik I don't think haiku would be 1:08:37.680 --> 1:08:38.559 a good look for you. 1:08:38.600 --> 1:08:40.200 No, no, I'm not that guy. Just tell me what 1:08:40.240 --> 1:08:42.320 I need to know. Quit throwing all these big words 1:08:42.360 --> 1:08:45.320 at me. I'm not I'm street smart. I'm not not 1:08:45.360 --> 1:08:47.760 business smart. She's Julie Bouki, our career shirp on the 1:08:47.760 --> 1:08:50.599 Scotsland Show here on seven hundred w l W joins 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:52.599 the show every Wednesday. Julie on the job. You can 1:08:52.600 --> 1:08:54.960 find her at the Balki Group. That's b a uk 1:08:55.120 --> 1:08:58.200 E career coach consultant. She is the job whisper. She'll 1:08:58.240 --> 1:09:00.200 take care of you if you're at a crossroad or 1:09:00.280 --> 1:09:03.439 maybe pivoting or putting pins and things in chill, chill, 1:09:03.479 --> 1:09:04.720 light out for you. All the best and I'll talk 1:09:04.760 --> 1:09:05.679 to you next week. Thanks again. 1:09:05.840 --> 1:09:07.160 We'll circle back. 1:09:07.439 --> 1:09:09.559 We'll circle back. Let's circle back next week. I'm gonna 1:09:09.560 --> 1:09:13.120 circle back down the drain. How's that? I'm right, I'll 1:09:13.120 --> 1:09:14.680 see you later. There you go. News coming up in 1:09:14.880 --> 1:09:17.679 five here on seven hundred ww Scott Sloan Show, Jeff 1:09:17.720 --> 1:09:21.639 Crossman jumps and Jeff is the today was like lawyer show. 1:09:21.640 --> 1:09:24.320 Today it's like a lawyer a round table. Jeff Crossman 1:09:24.439 --> 1:09:27.200 is his name. He is the lead council in this 1:09:27.320 --> 1:09:31.400 lawsuit to stop Ohio from using unclaimed funds for pay 1:09:31.400 --> 1:09:33.920 Corps and now TQ. Well, now, if you had a 1:09:33.960 --> 1:09:39.200 pile of cash Bengals, reds FC Cincinnati and you were 1:09:40.200 --> 1:09:43.559 running those organizations and the state said, hey, we have 1:09:43.640 --> 1:09:46.520 this big pot of cash so you can improve your facilities, 1:09:46.800 --> 1:09:50.519 feel free to tap into that, you'd be lining up right. 1:09:52.360 --> 1:09:55.439 I don't fault them for it. I also think that 1:09:55.720 --> 1:09:59.679 quite honestly, when it comes to unclaimed funds after ten years, 1:10:00.920 --> 1:10:02.760 do you have a duty to know that they're on 1:10:02.840 --> 1:10:04.920 CLEM funds out there and here's the website and just 1:10:04.960 --> 1:10:08.200 go look it up. I think that's probably true, right, 1:10:08.200 --> 1:10:10.920 It's like I would assume after ten years you don't 1:10:10.960 --> 1:10:14.760 know what's there, or maybe you know after certainly after 1:10:14.760 --> 1:10:16.680 a longer period, and maybe that person has moved or 1:10:16.680 --> 1:10:19.120 they're dead. We don't know. But I will say it's 1:10:19.160 --> 1:10:22.640 interesting how when you owe the state money or the 1:10:22.680 --> 1:10:27.560 government money, They're pretty good at finding you, aren't they. 1:10:27.680 --> 1:10:27.920 You know? 1:10:29.680 --> 1:10:32.559 So I go back to I don't know twenty twenty, 1:10:32.760 --> 1:10:35.200 and I filed my taxes in five six years later. 1:10:35.320 --> 1:10:39.080 Go hey, by the way, five years ago, you didn't 1:10:39.120 --> 1:10:42.719 claim this is a and yo US fifty four cents. 1:10:43.000 --> 1:10:46.200 Pay up with the penalty though it's five hundred and 1:10:46.200 --> 1:10:49.360 forty dollars, so they can find out when like, you're 1:10:49.400 --> 1:10:52.360 screwing them tax wise. But have I got money coming 1:10:52.400 --> 1:10:55.160 to me? That's different. That's I think that's a good 1:10:55.240 --> 1:10:57.559 argument that he has here for. And meanwhile, it's all 1:10:57.560 --> 1:11:00.320 tied up in the court right now on whether or 1:11:00.360 --> 1:11:03.840 not that we should be using unclaimed fund money to 1:11:03.920 --> 1:11:07.840 build stadiums. Legit question, this is your money eventually, I mean, 1:11:07.920 --> 1:11:09.679 maybe you have maybe you have money in the books 1:11:09.760 --> 1:11:11.519 right maybe you know the unclaimed fund thing. Maybe you had. 1:11:11.560 --> 1:11:13.519 I got a few hundred dollars back not long ago 1:11:13.960 --> 1:11:17.200 since I was talking about this story. But here's something else. 1:11:17.240 --> 1:11:20.080 So let's say they take this money and they give 1:11:20.120 --> 1:11:25.360 it to I don't know, the Bengals, FC, the Reds, whomever, 1:11:25.720 --> 1:11:27.720 well they were doing it for the Browns, and they 1:11:27.720 --> 1:11:30.599 start using this money to kick Okay, well, what happens 1:11:30.600 --> 1:11:31.960 to the court rules and says, well, you can't give 1:11:32.000 --> 1:11:35.759 them money away. Do we have a whole nother level 1:11:35.920 --> 1:11:39.760 Ohio version of the terri free funds? I mean, think 1:11:39.760 --> 1:11:42.720 about how how hard that's going to be. Now it's 1:11:42.760 --> 1:11:45.200 on the state level. We'll get to that next. Jeff Crossman, 1:11:45.240 --> 1:11:47.080 I said, he is the lead counsel in this case. 1:11:47.560 --> 1:11:49.840 Really interesting guy. We'll chat about that next. Seven hundred 1:11:49.840 --> 1:11:50.920 WWN Cincinnati, Do. 1:11:50.920 --> 1:11:54.280 You want to be an American scot. 1:11:54.040 --> 1:11:56.720 Plumb steel back on seven hundred w OLW. As you know, 1:11:56.760 --> 1:12:00.479 Ohio is rating billions and unclaimed funds. That means your 1:12:00.520 --> 1:12:03.680 old bank accounts, on cash, refund checks, forgotten deposits, it's 1:12:03.720 --> 1:12:06.040 all in there, and they're going to use that money 1:12:06.080 --> 1:12:09.640 to build and renovate stadiums across the Buckeye State for 1:12:09.680 --> 1:12:12.919 pro team. So we know that the former Ohio Attorney 1:12:12.920 --> 1:12:15.599 General Mark Dan's law firm is suing to stop it. 1:12:16.120 --> 1:12:18.040 And we've kind of got a new wrinkle here is 1:12:18.160 --> 1:12:21.080 FC Cincinnati has been the latest team to apply for 1:12:21.120 --> 1:12:24.240 some money. Here. Jeff Crossman is lead counsel in this 1:12:24.560 --> 1:12:26.760 laws who joins the show now once again, Jeff, how you. 1:12:26.720 --> 1:12:28.680 Been, I'm well, how are you? 1:12:28.760 --> 1:12:31.880 I'm well, thanks, counselor. So, they created this billion dollar 1:12:31.960 --> 1:12:35.280 sports facility grant program last year and in the budget, 1:12:35.320 --> 1:12:39.439 I'm funded by unclaimed property. The states year mark six 1:12:39.479 --> 1:12:42.800 hundred million for the Browns Stadium. F C Cincinnati has 1:12:42.840 --> 1:12:44.600 just applied for one hundred and almost one hundred and 1:12:44.720 --> 1:12:46.880 forty million of the remaining four hundred million dollar pool. 1:12:46.920 --> 1:12:49.040 Everyone's got their hand out at this point, the Bengals 1:12:50.520 --> 1:12:52.960 f C Cincinnati. So before we get in, that is 1:12:53.040 --> 1:12:54.800 kind of the basic give me a reset here, What 1:12:55.160 --> 1:12:57.599 exactly is the state of Hive doing with this unclaimed 1:12:57.600 --> 1:12:59.840 money that you believe is unconstitutional. 1:13:00.960 --> 1:13:03.879 Well, there's four point eight billion dollars in the unclaimed 1:13:03.880 --> 1:13:08.200 funds account, which the suportible Ohio and a unanimous decision 1:13:08.880 --> 1:13:10.640 probably in two thousand and nine of they it was 1:13:11.720 --> 1:13:13.800 and I don't know how many times there's ever been 1:13:13.840 --> 1:13:15.960 a unanimous decision on the HoFH Spreme Court, but they 1:13:16.000 --> 1:13:19.960 all agreed that the only funds represent private property for 1:13:20.080 --> 1:13:23.439 individuals in Ohio and even outside of Ohio, and what 1:13:23.520 --> 1:13:26.479 the State of Ohio is doing is appropriating, in a 1:13:26.520 --> 1:13:31.479 sense m in domain taking for those those funds those 1:13:31.520 --> 1:13:36.040 properties and using it to give to private developers to 1:13:36.040 --> 1:13:38.280 build their stadius. At least that's the argument in the 1:13:38.320 --> 1:13:41.360 case that we have perfectly depending because the only case 1:13:41.479 --> 1:13:45.559 for the only grant that they had acknowledged was six 1:13:45.600 --> 1:13:47.040 hundred million dollars in the Browns. 1:13:47.760 --> 1:13:49.280 Yeah, and now, of course set us off down here 1:13:49.320 --> 1:13:51.800 in Cincinnati because we don't like that. We don't like that. 1:13:51.960 --> 1:13:54.280 So you've got that war between cities going on that 1:13:54.280 --> 1:13:57.400 that brotherly competition, if you will. The state argues that 1:13:57.479 --> 1:14:00.920 laws governing abandoned property have existed for entries, and that's true. 1:14:01.040 --> 1:14:03.760 Supreme Court is upheld them. Do you have a counter 1:14:03.840 --> 1:14:04.920 to that or why is this different? 1:14:06.040 --> 1:14:08.360 Well, there's two argues. One is the taking in itself 1:14:08.439 --> 1:14:11.800 is improper. You can't just take private property and give 1:14:11.800 --> 1:14:15.080 it to another private owner. That's just unconstitutional and in 1:14:15.200 --> 1:14:18.400 domain under the taking clause both in the state and 1:14:18.439 --> 1:14:21.840 the federal constitutions required to be a public purpose. So 1:14:21.880 --> 1:14:24.559 that's the first argument. The second argument is they're just 1:14:24.600 --> 1:14:26.920 not giving anybody any kind of new process here. There's 1:14:26.920 --> 1:14:30.280 no notice individual lives notice in anybody that has property 1:14:30.320 --> 1:14:33.240 in the end plant, there's many many people in that 1:14:33.320 --> 1:14:35.960 account who are completely unaware that their property is being 1:14:35.960 --> 1:14:38.080 appropriated for this purpose. 1:14:39.000 --> 1:14:41.840 Yeah, but there also is I mean, this has been 1:14:42.040 --> 1:14:44.680 law for a long time. There's a dormancy period of it. 1:14:44.800 --> 1:14:46.840 You know, after ten years, it's kind of looked at 1:14:47.080 --> 1:14:49.960 is permanently abandoned. And I'm sure that there's a lot 1:14:50.000 --> 1:14:51.240 of this money out and I can't say all of 1:14:51.280 --> 1:14:54.160 it for sure, But after ten years, we assume that 1:14:54.160 --> 1:14:56.720 person doesn't care or they have died, what do you 1:14:56.720 --> 1:14:58.479 do with that money just to sit in this account 1:14:58.479 --> 1:14:59.880 for perpetuity? 1:15:00.080 --> 1:15:03.679 Those are valid public policy discussion points. I think if 1:15:03.680 --> 1:15:06.840 the legislature had had gone through that process and had 1:15:06.840 --> 1:15:10.479 public discussion about it, then maybe there'd be a policy 1:15:10.520 --> 1:15:12.760 position you could land on that everybody could agree to. 1:15:13.200 --> 1:15:15.280 But that's not what happened here. They just passed this 1:15:15.400 --> 1:15:18.200 and basis basically a backward deal. That and night kind 1:15:18.240 --> 1:15:22.320 of thing where you folks did have no opportunity to 1:15:22.360 --> 1:15:26.160 really abject or put a counterproposal on the table that 1:15:26.200 --> 1:15:29.000 people could live with. And again, you can't abandon property 1:15:29.040 --> 1:15:30.920 you're not aware of it. The state's not telling you 1:15:30.920 --> 1:15:33.479 you have property at the unplanted fund's account, Then how 1:15:33.479 --> 1:15:35.439 are you supposed to abandon something you're not even sure 1:15:35.520 --> 1:15:37.000 is there is there. 1:15:36.880 --> 1:15:39.519 A process for due diligence for people who are owed 1:15:39.600 --> 1:15:43.320 this money, and that you also have to I guess 1:15:43.360 --> 1:15:46.160 be responsible on your part. That there's it's kind of 1:15:46.200 --> 1:15:47.439 like I don't know tax or have you got to 1:15:47.840 --> 1:15:49.639 you got to get the tax refund and figure out 1:15:49.640 --> 1:15:51.720 what what the government owes you to get your money back. 1:15:51.760 --> 1:15:54.200 I know it's kind of a bad comparison, but you know, 1:15:54.320 --> 1:15:57.000 tax season, we'll use that to go with right now. 1:15:57.040 --> 1:16:01.160 In that you know, there's notifications, public notifications, there's public 1:16:01.160 --> 1:16:05.120 service announcements. Hey, here's the unclaimed funds website. They try 1:16:05.160 --> 1:16:07.320 to do I guess as much as they can public leaning, 1:16:07.479 --> 1:16:09.639 public public facing, to try and get the word out 1:16:09.640 --> 1:16:12.840 to check your your unclaimed funds. How did you battle 1:16:12.840 --> 1:16:13.240 against that? 1:16:14.640 --> 1:16:16.639 Well, the US Supreme Court is at time and time 1:16:16.680 --> 1:16:18.559 again when it comes to cry on property, it's up 1:16:18.600 --> 1:16:21.720 to the government to provide notice to the owner to 1:16:22.080 --> 1:16:26.439 demonstrate ownership. So you know, the government's responsibility if they're 1:16:26.479 --> 1:16:29.000 going to take your property to give you notice in 1:16:29.080 --> 1:16:31.599 an opportunity to object, and it's not happening here. 1:16:32.040 --> 1:16:35.479 I think using the tax example, Jeff Crossman. You know, 1:16:35.520 --> 1:16:38.280 I if I'm I don't know my taxes are off 1:16:38.320 --> 1:16:43.559 by like twelve dollars in twenty ten. You know, somehow 1:16:43.600 --> 1:16:45.200 they'll find me and go, hey, you know this plus 1:16:45.200 --> 1:16:47.679 the penalties. They're really good when we know them money. 1:16:47.680 --> 1:16:49.600 But when it's your money, it's a different story. Like 1:16:49.600 --> 1:16:53.400 they'll find you if you owe a tax money. 1:16:52.360 --> 1:16:55.960 If you if you owe a parking ticket or tax dollars, 1:16:56.000 --> 1:16:57.559 they are going to track you down to the ends 1:16:57.560 --> 1:17:00.600 of your find you. Hey. So you know, what we 1:17:00.640 --> 1:17:04.559 would propose is that the government do something else here 1:17:04.720 --> 1:17:07.640 to provide notice to people and give them an opportunity to, 1:17:07.960 --> 1:17:10.080 you know, a legitimate opportunity to claim their funds. And 1:17:10.400 --> 1:17:12.839 this can be done over different ways, through a discount 1:17:12.880 --> 1:17:16.080 on your taxes or your vehicle registrations. There's there's got 1:17:16.120 --> 1:17:18.240 to be a better process than what they've engaged in here. 1:17:18.920 --> 1:17:22.040 So a judge in Franklin County blocked the transfer with 1:17:22.160 --> 1:17:25.040 a temporary restraining order, then allowed it to proceed. The 1:17:25.120 --> 1:17:28.680 lawsuits kept alive by your firm, Jeff Crossman, what does 1:17:28.680 --> 1:17:30.559 that mixed sigan'll tell you about where this case has 1:17:30.560 --> 1:17:32.680 had a where it stands right now, is everything is 1:17:32.720 --> 1:17:35.920 still in limbo? Are they going to start distributing the 1:17:35.920 --> 1:17:37.679 money or is this disorder still in place? 1:17:38.680 --> 1:17:40.599 The order is still in place. There was a temporary 1:17:40.600 --> 1:17:42.760 restraining order entered and at the end of the year 1:17:42.880 --> 1:17:46.400 last year we came back to the court. In January, 1:17:46.479 --> 1:17:49.519 we had another hearing on whether or not the court 1:17:49.760 --> 1:17:53.280 extend that temporary temporary restraining order to what they call 1:17:53.320 --> 1:17:56.599 a preliminarium junction, which would hold everything in place until 1:17:56.640 --> 1:18:00.880 the litigation has included. That decision hasn't reach We're waiting 1:18:00.960 --> 1:18:01.160 on them. 1:18:01.160 --> 1:18:03.040 Okay, Now there's a chance they could go, yeah, you 1:18:03.080 --> 1:18:04.880 know what, it's illegal, go ahead and hand the money out. 1:18:05.080 --> 1:18:08.960 If that happens, Is this like the tariff issue in 1:18:09.000 --> 1:18:12.479 that we collected all these tariffs and the Supreme Court says, no, 1:18:12.600 --> 1:18:15.280 you can't do that, and now we're faced with probably 1:18:15.320 --> 1:18:17.639 having to give the money back because everyone's lining up 1:18:18.280 --> 1:18:20.360 in court to be first in line, first on the bus, 1:18:20.360 --> 1:18:22.920 gets paid. Is it a similar situation here in Ohio? 1:18:22.960 --> 1:18:26.200 If that happens, well, if the funds go out the door, 1:18:26.640 --> 1:18:29.280 the state's already admitted. Once the funds leave the uncleaned 1:18:29.280 --> 1:18:32.360 funds account, there's really no way to recover those funds. 1:18:32.479 --> 1:18:37.400 And in fact, what our argument was, because anybody that 1:18:37.560 --> 1:18:39.600 has had their funds transfer out of the accounts and 1:18:39.680 --> 1:18:42.040 still make the claim, but they're paying those claims with 1:18:42.160 --> 1:18:45.720 other people's proper to any of the newer accounts that 1:18:45.760 --> 1:18:48.640 they've taken over. So in a sense that it's a 1:18:48.680 --> 1:18:52.759 bit of a Ponzie scheme in our view. And so, yeah, 1:18:52.800 --> 1:18:55.040 so it could be that we get this, we don't 1:18:55.040 --> 1:18:58.280 get the injunction. The court allows the state to distribute 1:18:58.320 --> 1:19:00.960 these money, and then we ultimately prevail in the end 1:19:01.000 --> 1:19:02.800 of the day in the lawsuit, and then they have 1:19:02.880 --> 1:19:05.280 to come back and find a way to recover all 1:19:05.320 --> 1:19:07.880 that money, which is going to require the states either 1:19:07.960 --> 1:19:12.320 raising taxes or doing other things to recover that, you know, 1:19:12.400 --> 1:19:14.360 nearly two billion dollars they've taken from. 1:19:14.800 --> 1:19:17.000 Yeah, to coin a phrase, it's a damn mess. 1:19:16.880 --> 1:19:22.040 Isn't it correct? Yeah, definitely complicates. 1:19:22.479 --> 1:19:25.920 He's Jeff Crossman, lead council in the case involving unclaimed 1:19:25.920 --> 1:19:28.840 funds in Ohio. You know, your bank accounts on class 1:19:29.040 --> 1:19:32.839 on cash refund checks goes into to the unclaimed funds account. 1:19:32.840 --> 1:19:35.240 As we know now after ten years, that money the 1:19:35.280 --> 1:19:37.720 plan is to take that money and give it to 1:19:38.080 --> 1:19:42.240 local municipalities and cities to build stadiums pro stadiums. As 1:19:42.280 --> 1:19:44.840 a matter of fact, FC just came out and said, hey, 1:19:44.840 --> 1:19:46.960 we need some money for this thing. We could use 1:19:47.000 --> 1:19:49.479 some cash here. One hundred and thirty six million dollars 1:19:49.960 --> 1:19:52.080 Hamlet County apply for a two hundred and thirty four million 1:19:52.120 --> 1:19:56.919 dollars pay course stadium give back for renovations. That project 1:19:57.000 --> 1:19:59.960 is almost at a billion dollars now at this point too, 1:20:00.160 --> 1:20:02.040 So we're waiting for the reds now to go, Hey 1:20:02.040 --> 1:20:04.920 what about us. Brown's got six hundred million and it 1:20:05.000 --> 1:20:07.519 started this whole thing. You're now looking at a situation 1:20:07.600 --> 1:20:10.320 where FC and Emmily and County are applying for hundreds 1:20:10.320 --> 1:20:12.840 of millions. So when these teams lineup, does that expansion 1:20:12.880 --> 1:20:15.400 of the program strengthen your legal case or complicated? 1:20:16.960 --> 1:20:18.920 Well, I don't know that it has any impact. I mean, 1:20:18.960 --> 1:20:20.120 I think at the end of the day, we have 1:20:20.160 --> 1:20:23.040 to determine whether or not what they've done here is constitutional. 1:20:23.160 --> 1:20:26.599 If it's not constitutional, then none of these applications submitted 1:20:26.600 --> 1:20:29.840 are compete. There's not any money available to any of 1:20:29.840 --> 1:20:33.800 these applications. So you know, that's the first step, and 1:20:33.840 --> 1:20:37.200 then after that we'll evaluate it. But there's been by 1:20:37.280 --> 1:20:40.600 last count, I would take twenty two applications, you know, 1:20:40.640 --> 1:20:45.479 from the Guardians to the Cavaliers, to the Bengals, to 1:20:45.640 --> 1:20:48.720 FC Cincinnati to a group kind of put a clean 1:20:48.840 --> 1:20:52.000 soccer team together. So there's been the Toledo mud Hends. 1:20:52.000 --> 1:20:54.320 I mean, there's been a number of applications submitted and 1:20:54.439 --> 1:20:58.240 anticipations funds might be available, but you know, the court 1:20:58.360 --> 1:20:59.719 needs to make its decision first. 1:21:00.040 --> 1:21:03.080 Yeah, I mean, the Browns got six hundred million directly appropriated, 1:21:03.320 --> 1:21:06.920 no application, no competition. These other teams you mentioned, including 1:21:06.960 --> 1:21:09.400 FC Cincinnati, the Bengals had to apply for what's left 1:21:09.400 --> 1:21:12.879 the crumbs? Does that dispare treatment have any legal impactor? 1:21:14.720 --> 1:21:17.000 That's that's out of the scope of our case. But 1:21:17.160 --> 1:21:19.080 I'm sure there's people there that will take a look 1:21:19.080 --> 1:21:19.679 at that question. 1:21:20.240 --> 1:21:22.879 Sure it will, because one thing we like in Ohio 1:21:22.960 --> 1:21:25.439 is Cincinnati and Cleveland fighting each other. That's for damn sure. 1:21:26.960 --> 1:21:29.400 So how many how many Ohios does this potentially effect, 1:21:29.400 --> 1:21:31.400 by the way, is and how large is the class 1:21:31.439 --> 1:21:32.200 you're representing? 1:21:33.479 --> 1:21:38.080 Well, there are hundreds of thousands of individual accounts. It's 1:21:38.120 --> 1:21:41.639 not just people in Ohio. There's people outside of states, 1:21:41.880 --> 1:21:44.240 outside of the United States that have funds in this account. 1:21:44.560 --> 1:21:47.080 You know, JP Mortgage j uh you know they have 1:21:47.520 --> 1:21:50.719 accounts everywhere that everywhere in the world. People have accounts 1:21:50.720 --> 1:21:53.720 a little all over the world. JP Mortgage Chase is 1:21:53.840 --> 1:21:57.200 one example of a company that's depositing unclaim funds in 1:21:57.280 --> 1:21:59.880 Ohio's account, even though those folks may not have any 1:22:00.640 --> 1:22:02.960 relationship with the state of Ohio. This is what I'm 1:22:02.960 --> 1:22:05.640 talking about. If you're taking people's property, they may not 1:22:05.680 --> 1:22:08.240 be aware that their funds are in Ohio's account, even 1:22:08.280 --> 1:22:10.040 though they might live in New York or Tokyo. 1:22:11.240 --> 1:22:13.280 Do you have an idea what the average dollar amount 1:22:13.280 --> 1:22:15.679 would be what people have at stake. 1:22:16.960 --> 1:22:19.160 I think that's a good question. I think it varies. 1:22:19.760 --> 1:22:23.240 We've heard anywhere from ten bucks to ten thousand bucks, 1:22:23.720 --> 1:22:26.439 even more. I mean there was the Animal Protective League 1:22:26.760 --> 1:22:30.799 League in an acron had over one hundred eight thousand 1:22:30.840 --> 1:22:32.559 dollars in the accounts that they were run aware of. 1:22:32.800 --> 1:22:35.519 Wow, yeah, I went and got I think it was 1:22:35.600 --> 1:22:37.519 last year. I did it and got a couple hundred 1:22:37.520 --> 1:22:39.640 dollars back from something, So I was pretty happy By 1:22:39.680 --> 1:22:41.200 that because I didn't want the Browns to get my 1:22:41.200 --> 1:22:44.000 money and squander it on ruining another quarterback. I can't 1:22:44.000 --> 1:22:45.960 have that blood on my hands, Jeff, I can't have 1:22:46.000 --> 1:22:47.000 that blood on my hands. 1:22:48.000 --> 1:22:50.040 I think a lot of people in Cleveland would SIMPERVISEE. 1:22:51.720 --> 1:22:54.880 We got our own problems here. So the performance grant 1:22:54.920 --> 1:22:59.000 program requires that the revenue generated by the stadium district's 1:22:59.040 --> 1:23:02.400 payback the grant over sixteen years. This may also be 1:23:02.439 --> 1:23:04.920 outside of your scope. But if the economics don't work 1:23:04.960 --> 1:23:06.840 out there and the teams can't cover the shortfall, then 1:23:06.920 --> 1:23:09.040 are tax PARI still on the hook? Who covers that? 1:23:10.880 --> 1:23:12.559 Well? I think if they give it, if it's a 1:23:12.600 --> 1:23:15.360 grant money, the inflication is that that money not kind 1:23:15.360 --> 1:23:17.840 of peper payment. It's really murky whether or not that 1:23:17.920 --> 1:23:19.880 there is an obligation to be pay if we haven't 1:23:19.880 --> 1:23:20.839 guide it into a detail. 1:23:20.920 --> 1:23:21.080 Bum. 1:23:21.280 --> 1:23:23.040 Yeah, it's a grant not alone, right. 1:23:23.680 --> 1:23:24.880 That's what they're claiming it is. 1:23:25.280 --> 1:23:28.559 Huh. If this succeeds, what happens to the money? Well, 1:23:28.880 --> 1:23:30.880 you know, the money's kind of like in limbo right now. 1:23:31.439 --> 1:23:32.960 We're never going to be able to claw that back, 1:23:33.240 --> 1:23:35.080 is kind of what you pointed out. And that's a 1:23:35.080 --> 1:23:38.000 disturbing part because I'd imagine that would just you'd have 1:23:38.040 --> 1:23:40.479 a flood of lawsuits going back and forth the state 1:23:40.520 --> 1:23:42.439 would It'd be in chaos if they had to pay 1:23:42.479 --> 1:23:44.000 it back, it'd have to come to the general fund. 1:23:44.000 --> 1:23:46.559 You're talking money from schools and everything else. There's a 1:23:46.600 --> 1:23:49.080 local municipality here, I forget where the same thing happened. Guy 1:23:49.200 --> 1:23:52.679 was I think falsely charged and arrested, and they sued 1:23:52.720 --> 1:23:54.439 them in won and they don't have any money to 1:23:54.479 --> 1:23:56.040 pay him back. They don't know what to do. They 1:23:56.080 --> 1:23:58.880 might have to start selling assets at this small community 1:23:59.160 --> 1:24:01.880 to pay this guy's forty two million dollar claim. Could 1:24:01.880 --> 1:24:02.799 that happen in Ohio? 1:24:03.840 --> 1:24:07.120 I think anything's possible. And I think the general sense 1:24:07.120 --> 1:24:09.080 that I've received up here in Northeast Ohio is the 1:24:09.080 --> 1:24:13.679 people are outraged that they're being to give billionaires millionaires 1:24:13.720 --> 1:24:17.760 and billionaires additional millions the construct facilities that really they 1:24:17.960 --> 1:24:21.519 benefit from. Its socializing the cost of everything. You know, 1:24:21.720 --> 1:24:24.320 all these billionaires hate socialism, but they love it when 1:24:24.320 --> 1:24:26.800 they can socialize the cost of something as long as 1:24:26.840 --> 1:24:29.400 they can capitalize on the benefits of it. Yeah, and 1:24:29.400 --> 1:24:31.320 that's what's happening here, and that's the reason why people 1:24:31.360 --> 1:24:31.920 are so ugrly. 1:24:32.120 --> 1:24:35.280 Right, Jeff Crossman, I think you've have mentioned when I 1:24:35.360 --> 1:24:36.920 had you on last on the show. I think you said, Hey, 1:24:36.920 --> 1:24:38.200 if we got to take this all the way to 1:24:38.320 --> 1:24:42.240 the Supreme Court, we'll do that. There's no time on that, obviously, 1:24:42.280 --> 1:24:45.200 But is there a particular to legal theory, because you're 1:24:45.200 --> 1:24:47.360 always planning ahead for these things too. A legal theory 1:24:47.360 --> 1:24:49.800 in particular gives your best shot at getting the court 1:24:49.800 --> 1:24:51.400 to take the case. Have you thought that far ahead? 1:24:52.600 --> 1:24:54.920 We have one case that's currently spending in the six 1:24:54.960 --> 1:24:57.160 Circuit Court of Appeals right there at Cincinnati. We had 1:24:57.200 --> 1:24:59.320 followed one case in federal court and the other cases 1:24:59.320 --> 1:25:03.679 spending court. So we're constantly evaluating our case and legal theories, 1:25:03.720 --> 1:25:05.680 and you know we're going to take the best packboard 1:25:06.280 --> 1:25:06.960 until we win. 1:25:07.240 --> 1:25:09.559 Yeah, what is the timeline here? What's the next step 1:25:09.600 --> 1:25:10.040 from the court. 1:25:11.360 --> 1:25:12.920 We're waiting on the court to make a decision. I 1:25:12.960 --> 1:25:14.640 think it's any day that the Court's going to come 1:25:14.640 --> 1:25:17.679 out with an opinion on these junctions should last through 1:25:17.720 --> 1:25:20.599 the conclusion of the case. If that's the case, then 1:25:20.720 --> 1:25:23.960 we'll continue litigating this and we're you know, state has 1:25:23.960 --> 1:25:26.320 the option of we're evaluating a position. 1:25:26.560 --> 1:25:28.439 I know what you're hoping for, but what what do 1:25:28.439 --> 1:25:29.479 you think actually happens there? 1:25:31.439 --> 1:25:34.479 Any You know, I'm practicing law too long that it's 1:25:34.479 --> 1:25:38.000 the day to enter a prediction. Uh, you know, you 1:25:38.040 --> 1:25:42.160 know human beings aren't computer formulas rights right? 1:25:42.240 --> 1:25:43.880 Well, this day and age, though, you know, we have 1:25:43.960 --> 1:25:46.080 these ancillary betting markets where we can go and bet 1:25:46.120 --> 1:25:48.360 on anything. How long this conversation is going to go 1:25:48.400 --> 1:25:51.600 someone maybe betting on that they can maybe make some 1:25:51.680 --> 1:25:54.559 money off it too. So it's interesting we kind of 1:25:54.560 --> 1:25:57.040 have that wager going on. But I would think that 1:25:57.439 --> 1:25:59.960 they're you know, obviously very very smart people in the court. Look, 1:26:00.040 --> 1:26:02.120 and I going, well, if we just release this money 1:26:02.200 --> 1:26:04.839 and it gets shot down by the Supreme Court, then 1:26:05.240 --> 1:26:07.600 we are literally opening up a Pandora's box. It's like 1:26:07.640 --> 1:26:10.000 the tariff thing all over again, and that should scare 1:26:10.040 --> 1:26:10.759 anyone listening. 1:26:12.439 --> 1:26:14.920 Yeah. Look, we've made the best argument we think we 1:26:14.960 --> 1:26:18.759 can to justify our position, and we think the safe 1:26:18.760 --> 1:26:21.320 of that here is to just hold everything in place. 1:26:21.840 --> 1:26:25.200 Let's continue to litigate this and get to the meat 1:26:25.240 --> 1:26:26.719 of it and see where we landed. 1:26:27.200 --> 1:26:30.559 Yeah, you're thinking any day. 1:26:31.760 --> 1:26:34.320 And look, I mean to your point, I mean, people 1:26:34.320 --> 1:26:38.960 are basically brought that. The Browns started digging Monday, so 1:26:39.760 --> 1:26:42.439 you know, ground had broken on the stadium construction. We 1:26:42.479 --> 1:26:44.559 think that the stadium is going to get regardless of 1:26:44.560 --> 1:26:47.439 what the state jack. Six hundred million dollars. People can 1:26:47.560 --> 1:26:48.920 claiming fun right. 1:26:48.960 --> 1:26:51.040 Right, Well, I mean, you know, taking this thing back. 1:26:51.080 --> 1:26:52.920 We wouldn't even be having this discussion if they just 1:26:52.960 --> 1:26:54.559 would have said, you know what, we're going to add 1:26:54.560 --> 1:26:58.240 just a little bit more tax to online wagering, e 1:26:58.400 --> 1:27:01.000 gaming and the like. It's like a slam donkey. Yet 1:27:01.040 --> 1:27:04.000 they didn't want to do that. Doing this is way 1:27:04.040 --> 1:27:05.840 more perilous legally speaking than. 1:27:05.680 --> 1:27:10.799 That raising taxes or using the box the state bonding capacity. 1:27:10.880 --> 1:27:13.920 Those are public policy determinations where you know, folks like 1:27:13.960 --> 1:27:16.960 me wouldn't have been really any reason to challenge that 1:27:17.040 --> 1:27:22.519 process where you're implicating constitutional concern you're taking people's property 1:27:22.560 --> 1:27:26.600 without any due process, any right to object, you know, 1:27:26.640 --> 1:27:30.519 without any public purpose. That's where it opens the door 1:27:30.520 --> 1:27:33.080 for people like me to just file legal challenges. And 1:27:33.080 --> 1:27:34.920 the governor was aware that when he signed it, was 1:27:35.320 --> 1:27:37.599 disappointed that he would even put the state of that position. 1:27:37.720 --> 1:27:40.720 Yeah, it seems like it's a much harder road what 1:27:40.720 --> 1:27:42.599 we're doing here than it would have been going after 1:27:42.640 --> 1:27:45.760 the gaming, taxing them another half a percent or whatever 1:27:45.760 --> 1:27:48.599 it was, and other states are taxing much more. So 1:27:48.640 --> 1:27:52.000 it's this is the least effects offensive tax I would guess, 1:27:52.240 --> 1:27:54.839 in my opinion, would be the gaming thing, as opposed 1:27:54.880 --> 1:27:57.600 to going after unclaimed funds. He's Jeff Crossman. He's a 1:27:57.680 --> 1:28:00.679 lead counsel in this case involving unclaimed funds in Ohio. 1:28:00.800 --> 1:28:03.120 So if you have money in that account, you probably 1:28:03.200 --> 1:28:06.520 get online and check and make sure you don't. Otherwise 1:28:06.600 --> 1:28:08.679 it could very well be in the hands of the Browns, 1:28:09.040 --> 1:28:12.479 the Bengals, FC, the Reds, the mud Hens, and whatever 1:28:12.520 --> 1:28:15.639 other team wants a stadium built with your your cash. Jeff, 1:28:15.680 --> 1:28:17.280 all the best, buddy, Thanks for coming on the show again. 1:28:17.320 --> 1:28:21.280 Be Welser. My pleas take care of the latest traffic, weather, 1:28:21.439 --> 1:28:24.400 and war news. Of course, war news. We're at war, 1:28:24.520 --> 1:28:27.640 you know, is about five minutes away. With that, and 1:28:27.720 --> 1:28:29.720 then when we return, Sarah Least jumps in. We've got 1:28:29.880 --> 1:28:32.160 Trey Henderson to talk about, We've got Reds to talk about, 1:28:32.200 --> 1:28:35.880 We've got Miami going for perfection to talk about that 1:28:36.040 --> 1:28:38.400 and more. Sarah Lease and the Snort Report. Next seven 1:28:38.479 --> 1:28:41.800 hundred WLW does S three up some more money for 1:28:41.800 --> 1:28:44.040 the Bengals. We got Miami being perfect, we got Reds 1:28:44.080 --> 1:28:47.639 baseball lots to do. Sarah Lease and the Snort Report? 1:28:47.760 --> 1:28:48.680 Next seven hundred W. 1:28:48.840 --> 1:28:49.080 All the. 1:29:06.439 --> 1:29:08.479 Do you feel snorty today? Because I got the sense 1:29:08.520 --> 1:29:09.280 you're not gonna snort. 1:29:09.640 --> 1:29:13.160 Really, I'm a little fired up today. Up, I'm excited 1:29:13.160 --> 1:29:15.840 about my Miami Redhocks. I guess that's what we're gonna 1:29:15.840 --> 1:29:16.559 start with again today. 1:29:16.640 --> 1:29:17.800 I thought they lost last night. 1:29:17.920 --> 1:29:17.960 No. 1:29:18.479 --> 1:29:21.960 Seventy four to seventy two was the final over Toledo 1:29:22.080 --> 1:29:23.320 for that final home game. 1:29:23.400 --> 1:29:26.240 I thought, for sure, with the front running bandwagon, remember 1:29:26.280 --> 1:29:27.920 that you are, you'd be wearing Miami gear. But you 1:29:27.960 --> 1:29:29.920 got all Reds gear on today. So I thought they lost. Well, 1:29:29.960 --> 1:29:31.519 I was, so you jump back on the Reds band. 1:29:31.720 --> 1:29:34.280 I was so excited about them beating the Cubs the 1:29:34.400 --> 1:29:37.240 other day, so it's carrying over. I mean, there's only 1:29:37.320 --> 1:29:39.479 so much that I can show every day between Miami 1:29:39.520 --> 1:29:40.840 and Reds and all my excited. 1:29:40.760 --> 1:29:43.320 About beating the Cousins. You know, it's a screamager. 1:29:43.439 --> 1:29:47.360 I'm aware. I almost brought in my diploma for you today, 1:29:47.600 --> 1:29:50.800 just to prove to you that I am a red Hawk. Look, 1:29:50.960 --> 1:29:54.800 did graduate in twenty ten. My dad made this beautiful 1:29:55.000 --> 1:29:57.840 frame for me. Okay, it's got the little tassel hanging 1:29:57.920 --> 1:29:58.200 up there. 1:29:58.760 --> 1:30:01.200 It's a Max School relaxed. I don't see me very 1:30:01.280 --> 1:30:03.200 my bowling green diploma here, do we should? 1:30:03.200 --> 1:30:04.960 We should all bring the diploma cent and just stack 1:30:05.040 --> 1:30:05.280 them up. 1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:11.680 It's on an et just sketch. Anyway, I've taken your 1:30:11.680 --> 1:30:16.240 word for it. This wrote you a letter congratulate. Yeah, yeah, 1:30:16.280 --> 1:30:17.519 right exactly. It's on parchment. 1:30:17.760 --> 1:30:20.080 Oh yeah. Now the red Hawks are thirty and oh 1:30:20.240 --> 1:30:23.320 and of course making history. Uh yeah, and they'll wrap 1:30:23.400 --> 1:30:26.880 it up Friday night, nine o'clock against oh year years 1:30:26.960 --> 1:30:27.280 and then. 1:30:27.200 --> 1:30:28.639 By the way, Sara at least from one oh two 1:30:28.680 --> 1:30:30.800 seven e BN, she does Mornings with Kid Chris is 1:30:30.840 --> 1:30:33.120 the Kid Chris Show. She pops in and does snorts 1:30:33.160 --> 1:30:36.040 of all sorts. It's sports slash social media on this 1:30:36.120 --> 1:30:38.200 Wednesday morning. Good time to get ready for the weekend 1:30:38.320 --> 1:30:40.200 upcoming here, sports, sports and more sports. 1:30:40.240 --> 1:30:41.000 Ready for the going on. 1:30:41.160 --> 1:30:43.120 You know, it's entirely possible I'm not saying this is 1:30:43.160 --> 1:30:45.880 going to happen, but if Miami loses this final game 1:30:46.160 --> 1:30:48.680 and they lose the tournament, they will not be in 1:30:48.840 --> 1:30:49.240 the dance. 1:30:49.280 --> 1:30:52.120 Well they should, they should, they absolutely should. 1:30:52.200 --> 1:30:54.599 They have earned it if they win the tournament there 1:30:54.600 --> 1:30:56.120 and so you're you're in any way. But let's say 1:30:56.160 --> 1:30:58.600 they went out and losing the tournament, there's there's a 1:30:58.720 --> 1:31:01.040 chance they don't make the trim. That would be egregious 1:31:01.240 --> 1:31:04.200 because it's store absolutely. 1:31:03.760 --> 1:31:05.680 And I feel like a lot of the country is 1:31:05.880 --> 1:31:09.800 rooting for this underdog, and it's really cool to see 1:31:09.880 --> 1:31:13.600 like all the national people giving them the recognition that 1:31:13.680 --> 1:31:14.200 they deserve. 1:31:14.280 --> 1:31:15.960 If they'd be a nine seed right now, I thought 1:31:16.000 --> 1:31:17.760 I saw it, yeah, or the case now. 1:31:17.720 --> 1:31:20.759 They're ranked at what nineteen? But if they their last. 1:31:20.680 --> 1:31:23.040 Rank, they lose a final game and and go and 1:31:23.120 --> 1:31:25.640 win the tournament, you think, well that that's gotta be 1:31:25.680 --> 1:31:28.120 good for like a fourteen seed, right twelve fourteen seeds. 1:31:27.920 --> 1:31:29.760 And I would like to see them play better on 1:31:29.880 --> 1:31:31.760 Friday than what they did last. But you knows, a 1:31:31.800 --> 1:31:32.519 little tough last. 1:31:33.080 --> 1:31:34.519 You're not going to run the table unless you're the 1:31:34.600 --> 1:31:36.600 US Women's Olympic ice Hockey team. You're not going to 1:31:36.680 --> 1:31:38.840 run the table, correct, Yeah. Not every game can be 1:31:38.920 --> 1:31:41.760 flawless like that. So so yeah, they'll wrap it up then. 1:31:41.760 --> 1:31:44.800 And Travis Steel said on Selection Sunday, if they are 1:31:45.080 --> 1:31:49.400 still undefeated, that man is planning on wearing a speedo. 1:31:51.960 --> 1:31:52.800 Do we want to see that? 1:31:53.120 --> 1:31:55.599 He's like, I've never worn one before. He's like, I'm 1:31:55.600 --> 1:31:57.640 gonna have my wife pick it out. But yeah, I 1:31:57.680 --> 1:31:59.800 want to see them go undefeated. Just for the Travis 1:31:59.840 --> 1:32:01.000 speedo situation. 1:32:01.160 --> 1:32:02.960 It's like Jill Domin where he takes his shirt off 1:32:03.000 --> 1:32:06.280 at the at the West the Waste Management out in Phoenix. 1:32:06.320 --> 1:32:08.400 He's running around caause he had a whole of one. Sure, yeah, 1:32:08.439 --> 1:32:08.920 that's what I mean. 1:32:09.000 --> 1:32:10.840 I think he's so fired up. I mean he's like 1:32:10.960 --> 1:32:14.200 punching speakers and wearing speedos. It's crazy. So yeah, he 1:32:14.280 --> 1:32:16.280 did get that twenty five hundred dollars fine after that 1:32:16.400 --> 1:32:19.080 Friday night game when he took out the DJ speaker 1:32:19.080 --> 1:32:22.160 and he said he'll replace the equipment. There is a 1:32:22.280 --> 1:32:25.640 go fund me on social media if you want to 1:32:25.720 --> 1:32:28.920 contribute to Travis Steele's twenty five hundred dollars fine, which 1:32:29.000 --> 1:32:30.320 is absolutely ridiculous. 1:32:30.479 --> 1:32:31.479 Somebody's going to pick that up. 1:32:31.640 --> 1:32:34.400 So there's already been like three hundred dollars donated to it. 1:32:34.479 --> 1:32:36.280 I'm like, mister's already paid it up. Yeah, I'm like, 1:32:36.320 --> 1:32:39.800 twenty five hundred dollars is not so big. It's not 1:32:39.840 --> 1:32:42.200 as much as I was. I was thinking he was 1:32:42.200 --> 1:32:43.559 going to get like a twenty thousand dollars. 1:32:43.600 --> 1:32:46.160 Fine, what happens if your other alma mater? 1:32:46.280 --> 1:32:48.800 You see, Oh my god, you see they looked to 1:32:48.840 --> 1:32:50.800 God last night to they really turned it around over 1:32:50.880 --> 1:32:53.800 the past three weeks. They got the win and it 1:32:53.880 --> 1:32:55.320 was a late night though I didn't get to see 1:32:55.400 --> 1:32:56.719 much of it. Yeah, nine to fifteen. 1:32:56.800 --> 1:32:58.519 Tip off for that I was talking about was having 1:32:58.520 --> 1:33:01.719 dinner or some UC friends of mine and they're like, Yeah, secretly, 1:33:01.920 --> 1:33:03.800 it's like, I'm kind of know with west It's like 1:33:04.320 --> 1:33:06.600 could if they wind up losing out, they'll make the 1:33:06.600 --> 1:33:08.200 tournament they get rid of west Mill. Not that they're 1:33:08.200 --> 1:33:09.960 going to, but I don't think they will. I don't 1:33:09.960 --> 1:33:13.000 think they should either, because they're they're he's turning it around. Yes, 1:33:13.760 --> 1:33:18.400 they would go after Travis Steele, the ultimate f unbelievable. 1:33:18.600 --> 1:33:19.560 That'd be unbelievable. 1:33:19.760 --> 1:33:22.760 Travis said that he wants to stay with Miami. That's 1:33:22.840 --> 1:33:23.479 what he said. 1:33:25.360 --> 1:33:26.680 I think there's something to be said for them. He 1:33:26.800 --> 1:33:29.479 was a good size program and and it's hathing to 1:33:29.520 --> 1:33:32.120 be said about being a big fish in a small pond. Absolutely, 1:33:32.600 --> 1:33:35.400 Enrico Blasi, Miami's hockey head coach. 1:33:36.560 --> 1:33:36.920 He was at. 1:33:36.960 --> 1:33:39.439 I mean, he made incredible money, took him to the 1:33:39.640 --> 1:33:41.560 like literally a couple of plates away from win in 1:33:41.600 --> 1:33:43.720 the national title. Uh, it didn't work out in the 1:33:43.760 --> 1:33:46.000 long term, but you know again, it's like there's somebody 1:33:46.080 --> 1:33:46.600 said about that. 1:33:46.800 --> 1:33:48.920 Yeah, he said that he and his wife and the family, 1:33:48.960 --> 1:33:50.840 they're all very happy there and he does not see 1:33:51.200 --> 1:33:52.360 himself going anywhere else. 1:33:52.400 --> 1:33:54.400 And the kids go to school locally here, so they'll 1:33:54.439 --> 1:33:55.200 go to uh. 1:33:55.240 --> 1:34:00.439 Yeah family, Yeah, why not? And I do too. I 1:34:00.640 --> 1:34:03.599 liked seeing him fired up on Friday night. Unpopular opinion, 1:34:03.680 --> 1:34:05.680 but I appreciated his little crash out. I'm like, look, 1:34:05.720 --> 1:34:08.720 I get it, dude. He doesn't want to lose. He 1:34:08.840 --> 1:34:12.000 takes the job serious. And to celebrate the win last night. 1:34:12.040 --> 1:34:14.280 Since they are now thirty and oh, our friends at 1:34:14.320 --> 1:34:16.960 Cynthy's shirts have a big sale going on right now. 1:34:17.040 --> 1:34:18.400 So if you do want to hop on, get on 1:34:18.439 --> 1:34:21.960 the bandwagon celebrate Miami. All of their Miami gear is 1:34:22.080 --> 1:34:24.200 thirty percent off. I just wanted to throw that plug 1:34:24.280 --> 1:34:27.519 out there at Sincy' shirts. Yeah, I love justinuys over there. 1:34:28.320 --> 1:34:30.120 This is not a plug in. What's the website? If 1:34:30.160 --> 1:34:31.200 I were interested in getting your. 1:34:31.600 --> 1:34:34.360 Sincy shirts, you'll figure it out. I was there yesterday, 1:34:34.439 --> 1:34:36.880 sopped up on some red skier. Great group over there. 1:34:36.920 --> 1:34:38.760 Are you're working a plug in? Is that what this was? 1:34:38.800 --> 1:34:39.799 Because that was just shameless? 1:34:39.840 --> 1:34:40.120 You know what? 1:34:40.320 --> 1:34:42.639 Yeah, I have no problem plugging my friends. 1:34:42.479 --> 1:34:42.760 Call you. 1:34:45.000 --> 1:34:46.360 Cry well absolutely. 1:34:46.400 --> 1:34:49.320 Speaking of our Cincinnati Reds, they had the day off yesterday, 1:34:49.439 --> 1:34:51.760 but they are back at it today for that exhibition 1:34:52.000 --> 1:34:52.920 game against. 1:34:52.680 --> 1:34:54.479 Cuba, Copa Cuba, Cuba. 1:34:54.560 --> 1:34:57.200 Here on these airwaves at three oh five. First pitch. 1:34:57.360 --> 1:34:59.800 Not sure who's pitching today, that has not yet been 1:35:01.280 --> 1:35:04.400 But are we looking I think we're looking pretty good. 1:35:04.880 --> 1:35:08.200 We're looking really good. Matt's back, Matt McLean is back 1:35:08.280 --> 1:35:11.480 like a five seventy one. He's eight for fourteen, absolutely 1:35:11.600 --> 1:35:13.600 crushing the ball. And this is the kind of turnaround 1:35:13.760 --> 1:35:16.080 that we were praying to see, especially in the off season, 1:35:16.120 --> 1:35:18.320 hoping that Matt would get it together and look, I 1:35:18.400 --> 1:35:21.200 believe in Maddie. I'm excited for what I've seen so far. 1:35:21.240 --> 1:35:23.160 I mean, I know we're only two weeks into spring training, 1:35:23.240 --> 1:35:25.479 but it's really cool. And I feel like Tito Francona 1:35:25.560 --> 1:35:27.680 has a lot of faith in this kid, which is 1:35:27.920 --> 1:35:30.959 something that you want. I'm going to give you the confidence. 1:35:31.360 --> 1:35:33.080 If you have a manager it's giving you a hard time. 1:35:33.160 --> 1:35:34.800 It's like, well, why would I want to go out 1:35:34.800 --> 1:35:35.960 there and do good things for this team? 1:35:36.120 --> 1:35:37.519 I look pretty deep right now. It's cool. 1:35:37.720 --> 1:35:39.720 Yeah, So Tito Francona the other day, he was on 1:35:39.800 --> 1:35:41.720 a podcast and he was like, look, I know that 1:35:41.760 --> 1:35:44.120 we've got a really young team here, but this ain't 1:35:44.120 --> 1:35:46.080 our first rodeo. We've got a few years under our 1:35:46.120 --> 1:35:48.519 belt together. We went to the playoffs last year. He's like, 1:35:48.600 --> 1:35:50.920 we are ready to compete this year against all the 1:35:51.000 --> 1:35:53.160 serious teams and we're looking to go back to the 1:35:53.200 --> 1:35:54.519 playoffs again and go even further. 1:35:54.680 --> 1:35:55.400 So I love that. 1:35:55.640 --> 1:35:58.080 I absolutely love that Tito's fired up about this team, 1:35:58.120 --> 1:35:59.840 and so am I. And I think, you know, bringing 1:36:00.160 --> 1:36:03.200 Ahano Suarez and looking at the adjustments that Ellie has 1:36:03.240 --> 1:36:05.280 made and he's healthy, and I mean, look at our 1:36:05.400 --> 1:36:10.200 rotation alone, that's excited to south. Stewart's down thirty pounds 1:36:10.280 --> 1:36:12.360 and he's raking as well. He had a couple bombs 1:36:12.360 --> 1:36:14.840 the other day, and I mean, damn, I'm excited about 1:36:14.840 --> 1:36:17.320 the offense. But of course the rotation. You've got Hunter 1:36:17.479 --> 1:36:21.240 Green and Andrew Abbott and oh my gosh, why can 1:36:21.280 --> 1:36:25.639 I not think right now Brady's singer and they're obviously 1:36:25.760 --> 1:36:27.240 fighting for that fist spot? Is it going to be 1:36:27.360 --> 1:36:28.800 Chase Burns? Is going to be Rehet Louder? 1:36:28.880 --> 1:36:30.439 Who do you think it's gonna because Rehet Louder is 1:36:30.479 --> 1:36:32.559 I think I probably not any he pitched the gem, 1:36:32.760 --> 1:36:32.960 but he. 1:36:33.000 --> 1:36:34.519 Looked great the other day. I think it's going to 1:36:34.560 --> 1:36:34.920 be Rhett. 1:36:35.040 --> 1:36:35.639 What a good fight. 1:36:36.000 --> 1:36:38.320 Yeah, he looked really really good. Why can't I think 1:36:38.360 --> 1:36:40.880 of the other end the rotations? And we've got Hunter 1:36:41.000 --> 1:36:44.439 Green Andrew Rabbit, Brady singer, and I'm missing somebody else 1:36:44.800 --> 1:36:51.280 in that fourth spot? My brain? Yeah, because fighting for 1:36:51.400 --> 1:36:53.040 that fifth is either Chase or Rhett. 1:36:53.439 --> 1:36:56.000 It'll come back because we're thinking that totally come back 1:36:56.040 --> 1:36:56.280 to us. 1:36:56.360 --> 1:36:59.439 Yeah, right now they are totally screaming at us. Please 1:36:59.560 --> 1:37:02.880 allow us some grace here, But I think it's gonna 1:37:02.880 --> 1:37:05.280 be red. I was really impressed by him, and you know, 1:37:05.400 --> 1:37:07.360 listening to Cowboy the other day, he was hyping him up. 1:37:07.360 --> 1:37:09.560 He's like, this is the best pitching performance that we 1:37:09.640 --> 1:37:11.840 have seen all Springs so far. And I could not 1:37:11.960 --> 1:37:17.720 agree more with that. Yeah, Nick Lodolo, dol dolo, there 1:37:17.920 --> 1:37:22.920 we go, guy, Yeah, Nick Lodolo, so excited about the rotation, 1:37:23.040 --> 1:37:26.559 excited about a lot of stuff. Something trending on social media. 1:37:26.680 --> 1:37:31.760 These all you can eat seats at Bush Stadium, our 1:37:31.840 --> 1:37:33.599 divisional friends here in Saint Louis. 1:37:34.280 --> 1:37:36.719 I think Bush Stadium, Yeah, I think people. 1:37:36.560 --> 1:37:38.880 Forgot that we do have those here in Cincinnati. I'm 1:37:38.920 --> 1:37:41.080 just here to remind you we do have an all 1:37:41.160 --> 1:37:43.599 you can eat stand for twenty six bucks. 1:37:44.360 --> 1:37:46.599 Why is that? Why is what sant listing? Is that trending? 1:37:46.960 --> 1:37:48.760 It is trending. They've got these all you can eat 1:37:48.800 --> 1:37:51.960 seats in the Big Macland for twenty nine bucks. You're 1:37:52.000 --> 1:37:54.679 getting Coca Cola, chicken tenders, hot dogs, brought s, Nacho's 1:37:54.720 --> 1:37:58.280 fat fries, popcorn, Pedat's kettle chips, ice cream. So it's 1:37:58.320 --> 1:38:00.200 like a big deal and people are like, like, we 1:38:00.280 --> 1:38:03.640 have nothing like this in Cincinnati. We absolutely do for 1:38:03.760 --> 1:38:05.800 twenty six bucks. You can do all you can eat 1:38:05.840 --> 1:38:07.080 Papa and peanuts. 1:38:07.439 --> 1:38:10.519 To a game or hot smart report exactly. I'm here 1:38:10.600 --> 1:38:12.320 to tell you that what about the chicken tenders? Your 1:38:12.400 --> 1:38:15.559 chicken tenders likes not a part of the right there. 1:38:15.560 --> 1:38:18.080 The chicken tenders right now, that's really the selling point. 1:38:18.080 --> 1:38:21.040 I think, what this one? People love chicken tenders, which 1:38:21.080 --> 1:38:23.599 they also sell them at the ballpark, but these are 1:38:23.640 --> 1:38:26.160 at section one forty four, the sun Moon deck. That's 1:38:26.240 --> 1:38:28.000 it right there, and I see them every. 1:38:27.840 --> 1:38:30.479 Single time done all you can eat seats. 1:38:30.560 --> 1:38:31.439 I've done them one time. 1:38:32.080 --> 1:38:33.760 What did you what about you? Did you regret it? 1:38:34.000 --> 1:38:34.040 No? 1:38:34.439 --> 1:38:37.400 I know no regrets, no regrets. I never regret ball. 1:38:37.680 --> 1:38:39.160 I did not do the all you can eat seats. 1:38:39.760 --> 1:38:41.000 What do you get when you go to the ballpark? 1:38:41.040 --> 1:38:41.559 You a hot dog? 1:38:41.840 --> 1:38:44.800 Definitely getting hot dog? Okay, I would get a met 1:38:45.120 --> 1:38:46.320 and then maybe later a hot dog. 1:38:46.960 --> 1:38:49.519 But see if I'm getting I'm not getting the met brought. 1:38:49.640 --> 1:38:52.320 I need it to be burnt. I need you to 1:38:52.360 --> 1:38:53.280 burn it on that grill. 1:38:53.400 --> 1:38:55.160 Always going to be black all around, is always going 1:38:55.200 --> 1:38:57.200 to be a dog. Like I can get skyline, I 1:38:57.280 --> 1:39:00.240 can get pizza, I don't sky at the ballpark, right, 1:39:00.280 --> 1:39:02.439 I can get that elsewhere. I don't. 1:39:02.560 --> 1:39:05.439 It's not even that it's just skyline. I want to 1:39:05.479 --> 1:39:08.320 be like sitting down inside the parlor. That's for that's 1:39:08.400 --> 1:39:10.560 for my space with it. I guess it's for the 1:39:10.600 --> 1:39:12.439 away team fans, right, it's like, oh, I get to 1:39:12.479 --> 1:39:15.840 try it exactly. It's their chance to get it. Really 1:39:15.960 --> 1:39:17.559 is good for I'm just gonna hit. 1:39:17.600 --> 1:39:19.200 I'm going. I'm going beer and I'm going out. 1:39:19.840 --> 1:39:20.880 I like a hobbit Sunday. 1:39:20.960 --> 1:39:23.760 Don't need it now, don't need the ice. 1:39:23.960 --> 1:39:26.240 Do you like the Cheetos popcorn? That is really good? 1:39:26.439 --> 1:39:28.799 It's like a cheesy popcorn with like the little Cheetos. 1:39:29.320 --> 1:39:34.439 Yeah, ready for some ballpark better. Whether it's opening day 1:39:34.520 --> 1:39:36.400 or the first game you go to and it's still 1:39:36.479 --> 1:39:38.640 like it's great, miserable outside and you walk into the 1:39:38.680 --> 1:39:42.759 ballpark and that it's just that sea of the smell. 1:39:43.200 --> 1:39:46.120 Oh my god, it's the best. It is the best 1:39:46.200 --> 1:39:47.120 sensation it is. 1:39:47.200 --> 1:39:51.600 It's it's the smell of the baseball and I just 1:39:51.640 --> 1:39:52.960 want to bottle it up and put it like in 1:39:53.000 --> 1:39:53.360 a candle. 1:39:54.160 --> 1:39:56.439 It's so the first glimpse of green grass is just 1:39:56.640 --> 1:39:57.720 it's amazing. 1:39:57.640 --> 1:39:58.320 That first beer. 1:39:58.479 --> 1:40:01.040 That first beer, so sex, all right, what else you 1:40:01.080 --> 1:40:01.519 got real quick? 1:40:01.520 --> 1:40:04.040 Also trending in Bengals World, Trey Hendrickson. 1:40:04.080 --> 1:40:06.840 We talked about this while you're bearing the lead. 1:40:07.400 --> 1:40:10.960 Because Miami University is thirty and zero and we know 1:40:11.080 --> 1:40:14.599 that we know that Trey Hendrickson is not coming back. 1:40:14.680 --> 1:40:16.760 They did not tag him, so of course he went 1:40:16.840 --> 1:40:19.160 on to Instagram like all the athletes do, and he 1:40:19.360 --> 1:40:21.960 listed all of the things that he's thankful for. You know, 1:40:22.080 --> 1:40:25.200 he think the fans, the coaches, his teammates, and he said, look, 1:40:25.280 --> 1:40:29.479 Cincinnati is home now and forever, God bless and who day. 1:40:30.160 --> 1:40:32.720 It is a very long statement that he put out there, 1:40:32.840 --> 1:40:34.320 So that's just a way to wrap. 1:40:34.200 --> 1:40:34.800 It up right. 1:40:34.880 --> 1:40:36.680 And of course on Monday we got the big news 1:40:36.720 --> 1:40:39.960 that Dalton Reisner is coming back. I don't think anyone 1:40:40.000 --> 1:40:42.280 loves Cincinnati as much as Dalton Reisner and his wife 1:40:42.680 --> 1:40:45.679 big fans. He said that Zach Taylor is the biggest 1:40:45.720 --> 1:40:46.720 reason that he's coming back. 1:40:46.920 --> 1:40:47.639 Yeah, he's a big. 1:40:47.560 --> 1:40:50.439 Zach Taylor fan. Loves playing for Joe Burrow, loves blocking 1:40:50.520 --> 1:40:52.800 for Joe Burrow. He also talked about his friendship with 1:40:52.920 --> 1:40:55.320 Ted Carris. He's like, if there's anybody that I look 1:40:55.400 --> 1:40:57.800 up to, it's definitely Ted. So it sounds like Ted 1:40:57.880 --> 1:41:00.479 has been kind of like a leader adult life. I 1:41:00.560 --> 1:41:02.840 really like that. And he said that he's never felt 1:41:02.960 --> 1:41:05.080 more at home than how he does in Cincinnati and 1:41:05.200 --> 1:41:06.439 like very accepted here. 1:41:06.640 --> 1:41:06.880 Okay. 1:41:06.920 --> 1:41:08.840 So he also gave a shout out to Skyland, Chilly 1:41:08.880 --> 1:41:10.680 and Jeff Ruby, saying, my wife and I love the 1:41:10.680 --> 1:41:11.200 food here too. 1:41:11.320 --> 1:41:13.960 That's awesome. Great, not just block, do. 1:41:14.040 --> 1:41:15.680 Your job, don't care ye, do your job. 1:41:15.960 --> 1:41:17.920 I'm I mean, I think it's awesome that they lean 1:41:17.960 --> 1:41:19.840 into the city. And I'm not throwing shade at all, 1:41:19.920 --> 1:41:23.760 but it's like just block, Yeah, your job, don't get hurt. Great, 1:41:23.800 --> 1:41:25.000 let's let's let's go get hurt. 1:41:25.080 --> 1:41:25.280 Yeah. 1:41:25.360 --> 1:41:27.040 You know his stature, don't be such a nice guy. 1:41:27.040 --> 1:41:29.320 I don't hear that. I want to hear excellence. That's 1:41:29.320 --> 1:41:31.840 what I want to hear. And it's Hendricks. And I mean, 1:41:32.160 --> 1:41:33.760 I know the national media's beating the hell of the 1:41:33.760 --> 1:41:35.840 Bengals and the Bengals being the Bengals, and I think 1:41:35.880 --> 1:41:37.560 there's some truth to that too. Is like, you know, 1:41:37.640 --> 1:41:39.400 you French are are not going to franchise tag him 1:41:39.400 --> 1:41:41.400 and the contract thing and you allowed them walk and 1:41:41.439 --> 1:41:42.160 you could have got something. 1:41:42.479 --> 1:41:45.400 Was Trey Hendrickson doing for us last season? He was 1:41:45.479 --> 1:41:47.920 hurt for most of it, correct and the games that 1:41:48.040 --> 1:41:51.000 he wasn't in we won. Yeah, all right, so it's 1:41:51.000 --> 1:41:53.599 okay to move on everybody. We'll fine, It'll be fine. 1:41:53.680 --> 1:41:56.000 But of course off season workouts start next month on 1:41:56.240 --> 1:41:58.240 the twentieth. At all I'll be here before you know it, 1:41:58.400 --> 1:41:58.760 all right? 1:41:59.520 --> 1:42:00.200 Is that every think? 1:42:00.439 --> 1:42:03.000 That's everything? Pups and pups this weekend since night cyclones, 1:42:03.040 --> 1:42:06.880 bring your dog out on Saturday night and ever Sincinnati's. 1:42:07.080 --> 1:42:09.559 How did the dogs do it in the hockey arena? 1:42:09.640 --> 1:42:11.360 By the way, they're awesome. They all hang out together 1:42:11.400 --> 1:42:13.439 in one section. They put them on the upper bowl together. 1:42:14.080 --> 1:42:14.519 It's fun. 1:42:14.600 --> 1:42:16.519 You ever have dogfight a dog fight? 1:42:17.200 --> 1:42:19.120 No, I feel like they're pretty chill. I've always had 1:42:19.120 --> 1:42:20.280 a really good experience there. 1:42:20.680 --> 1:42:26.160 Knucklehead would bring like they're like atiler. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:42:26.240 --> 1:42:27.120 that there would be dog fights. 1:42:27.240 --> 1:42:28.800 I think it's I think it's pretty chill. So yeah, 1:42:28.840 --> 1:42:30.280 seven thirty on Saturday night for that. 1:42:30.720 --> 1:42:31.240 Or something like that. 1:42:31.760 --> 1:42:32.639 No, I don't think you should. 1:42:32.720 --> 1:42:34.120 No, I think that'd be good for you make a 1:42:34.200 --> 1:42:36.080 lot of money inside a little dog fighting ring in 1:42:36.120 --> 1:42:36.640 the kind of. 1:42:36.760 --> 1:42:38.880 I think that's the last thing we need to get into. 1:42:39.640 --> 1:42:46.080 Call Michael Vick not my wiener dog, well not your 1:42:46.080 --> 1:42:51.519 wiener dog by Real Dog Fight fifteen the mascot. The 1:42:51.600 --> 1:42:53.639 mascot gets torn apart like it's a big squishy toy. 1:42:53.760 --> 1:42:55.120 Oh my god, not pup Chop. 1:42:55.560 --> 1:42:58.280 Punk Chop getting attacked by dogs would be great video. 1:42:58.479 --> 1:43:01.519 Poor punk Chop, I thought it was a toy. Who 1:43:01.560 --> 1:43:03.840 thought it was a squeaky he's so fluffy, look had 1:43:03.880 --> 1:43:05.280 a squeaker and any even better? 1:43:05.360 --> 1:43:05.479 Right? 1:43:06.040 --> 1:43:07.880 You know what they did get? They gave out this 1:43:08.000 --> 1:43:11.479 like puck Chop key chain on Sunday, and I feel 1:43:11.520 --> 1:43:13.400 like it that you need to put a little squeaker. 1:43:13.040 --> 1:43:14.400 And know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go to 1:43:14.439 --> 1:43:16.640 the game and I'm gonna follow puck Chop around with 1:43:16.720 --> 1:43:18.840 the squeaker ball to stand behind him, and then the 1:43:18.960 --> 1:43:22.160 dog will think that's the dodg drop biting him. 1:43:22.280 --> 1:43:24.519 I will not tolerate puck Chops slander away. 1:43:24.680 --> 1:43:26.880 Gonna rub some bacon grease on his back. How you 1:43:26.960 --> 1:43:29.000 doing is do it on his back? And then smoker 1:43:29.160 --> 1:43:30.440 squeak and that'd be awesome. 1:43:30.200 --> 1:43:31.559 Like well, puck chop sure is poppy? 1:43:32.640 --> 1:43:32.840 Wow? 1:43:33.040 --> 1:43:35.160 What does all there's fluff all over the place. It's 1:43:35.320 --> 1:43:38.320 it's okay manity. Sarah Relea Snort Report Morning's with Kid 1:43:38.400 --> 1:43:39.800 Chris at one of two seven e B and her 1:43:39.840 --> 1:43:41.439 social handle is Sarah a. 1:43:41.479 --> 1:43:43.320 Leasee went to it and sorry, I tried to squeeze 1:43:43.320 --> 1:43:46.000 everything and I forgot who Nicolodola was. Please forgive me 1:43:46.120 --> 1:43:49.200 The big So it's fine news next seven hundred WWT 1:43:49.280 --> 1:43:49.519 since that