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Speaker 1: Stations subsident our regular tool bumber music for the streetcar theme.

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Speaker 1: You know what's coming next from Protecting Taxpayers dot org,

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Speaker 1: which is the website for Taxpayer Protection Alliance. Welcome back,

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Speaker 1: my friend Dave Williams. It's always a real pleasure to

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Speaker 1: have you on the fifty five Karosee Morning Show.

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Speaker 2: Good Morning Brian, and you play that music. But DC

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Speaker 2: doesn't have a streetcar anything.

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Speaker 3: That's why Joe cute it up. I saw that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I said, oh my god, I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: talk to Dave Williams the Taxpayer Text Alliance about it.

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Speaker 3: What was it two miles long?

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Speaker 2: Wasn't it two miles long? Two hundred and twenty million

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Speaker 2: dollars to build?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you say that out loud. It makes it sound

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Speaker 1: like Cincinnati got a deal on It's a streetcar, so.

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Speaker 2: Such a bargain for Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: So I guess when faced with the realities having to

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Speaker 1: maintain and upkeep that streetcar, pay people to run it

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Speaker 1: when no one was on it, they decided to pull

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Speaker 1: the plug on it, even though they had previously invested

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Speaker 3: In the first place, ten years in one month.

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Speaker 2: And I remember back ten years ago when the Taxpayer's

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Speaker 2: Protection Alliance we released a report talking about the cost

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Speaker 2: of the street car, and not just building it, but

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Speaker 2: the marketing costs. They were giving away free Frisbees. Well,

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Speaker 2: free taxpayers paid for right. And it cost him one

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy thousand dollars to build a website for

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Speaker 2: the streetcar.

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Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 2: No, I am not kidding you at all.

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Speaker 1: That's insane. You know, my son has done many websites.

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Speaker 1: He's a computer geek expert kind of guy, and it's

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Speaker 2: He's probably kicking himself, probably thinking, nah, I could have

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Speaker 1: Well, he's a chip off the old man's blocks that

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Speaker 1: he's not one that's going to go out and search

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Speaker 1: for government contracts, even though might a near to his

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Speaker 1: financial benefits. Anyway, Congratulations though, on getting the plug pulled

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Speaker 1: on that. At least it's going to say the DC

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Speaker 2: It is. And listen, this has been my white whale, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean for the past ten years. In one month,

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Speaker 1: Have a celebratory cocktail. I'll even pay for it, Dave

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Speaker 1: to send me the bill, all right, pivoting over the

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Speaker 1: things that Dave Williams is always looking for.

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Speaker 3: He and the team at.

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Speaker 1: Taxpayer Protection Alliance insane government spending, so putting aside local spending.

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Speaker 1: We have a new TPA report finding FDA costs are

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Speaker 1: soaring with drug rejections rising. What's behind this one, Dave Williams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is incredible, is that the FDA

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Speaker 2: from industry, from pharmaceutical companies. The FDA is not doing

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Speaker 1: And wouldn't that serve as a massive country based clinical

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Speaker 2: it's about healthcare. It's not about the FDA. And the

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Speaker 1: Well, what specific steps can the FDA and Congress make

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Speaker 2: They are. And you know, we always think that the

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Speaker 1: So a shorter, more streamline approval process means smaller government,

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Speaker 1: So this is all about protecting government employees.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Some people want to protect taxpayers, other people want

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Speaker 1: How about RFK Junior, the MAHA guy, the man's behind

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Speaker 2: He has not. He absolutely has not. There's been nothing

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Speaker 1: about permanent pilot programs. Sounds like we're continuing a theme

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Speaker 1: If you have Krocite Talk station, I always enjoy hearing

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Speaker 2: how they pass the budget saying, well, the deficit's not

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Speaker 2: never expire. Like you said, in the ACA, the Affordable

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Speaker 2: you know, there's supposed to be a temporary expansion under

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Speaker 2: the American Rescue Land of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: One based upon their COVID. Right, this is a COVID thing.

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Speaker 1: So COVID is not a problem anymore.

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Speaker 3: We have it.

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Speaker 1: We have a vaccine for that, Dave, So COVID is

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Speaker 1: not a problem anymore. And yet they want to continue

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Speaker 2: So uh, and then and then increases subsidy levels after.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is the thing, is that, right? You know,

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Speaker 2: the tax provisions, and these tax extenders, they're as bad

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Speaker 2: just as bad as spending earmarks, if not worse.

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Speaker 1: No question about it. So going back to the original

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump tax cuts which had a built in expiration date,

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Speaker 1: which were extended inshrine permanently later is are you telling

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Speaker 1: tax cuts. I always thought it was I guess who knows.

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Speaker 1: But you're saying is because the CBO scoring.

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Speaker 2: It was CBO scoring. It was Pelosian, the Democrats wanting

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Speaker 2: it was done because of CBO scoring. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they also have a way to mission creep these

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Speaker 2: Flipping over, how Brian try to try to take that

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Speaker 2: away from somebody, trying to take that extension, that expansion

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you never get somebody to remember what life was

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Speaker 3: Anyway?

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Speaker 1: Over to sports betting, which fine, go ahead and bet

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Speaker 1: on sports. I think it's crazy. It's obviously resulting in

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Speaker 1: betting harm local government revenue?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So listen, I personally don't want an eighteen or

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Speaker 1: But if people want to bet that someone might be

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Speaker 2: But listen, people bet I get it. It should be

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Speaker 2: done legally. It should be done, you know, because a

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Speaker 2: you have zero protections. And what happens is states go, okay,

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Speaker 2: we're going to raise the taxes. We're going to have

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Speaker 2: right New York is fifty percent. Oh well, guess what.

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Speaker 2: They have a bigger black market now because it's so

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Speaker 2: expensive to bet. And that's what's happening, is that the

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Speaker 2: money is not getting to the local government, it's not

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Speaker 2: their behavior. Well, they're changing behavior to the black market

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Speaker 1: And if my grandfather, the one who I didn't know,

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Speaker 1: That would be the black market the days referring to.

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Speaker 1: So when they're taking fifty percent of whatever it is

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Speaker 1: to my late grandfather Pat in place the bet with him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why there's this sweet spot of taxation

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Speaker 2: And again, states are always pushing the limit. They're always

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Speaker 3: This is the fool's gold.

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Speaker 2: And this is happening in Maryland where they just raised

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Speaker 2: Six months into their budget, the revenues are below so,

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Speaker 2: But this is across the country. Every state, there's always

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Speaker 3: No, that's okay.

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Speaker 1: Just ask all the people that fled California and New

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