1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: This is a podcast from wor Now the wr Saturday 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Morning Show. Here's Larry Minty. Good morning, and welcome to 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Saturday Morning. Will the first mayoral debate change anything in 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: the polls? We'll ask political analyst J. C. Polonco and 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: his thoughts on the first mayoral debate. Wow, that was 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: some fireworks, jac Oh. 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I told you it was going to be the 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 2: thriller in Manila, and I think that's what your listeners got. 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: They tuned in, yeah, especially, and now they seem to 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: unfortunately the moderators did too, but they seem to ignore 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: Curtis Leewa, who was right there in the middle, and 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: for that fact, because they left him alone, because he 13 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: didn't get muddied up and he made some great points. 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: If you had to pick a winner of that debate, 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: I think it's Curtis Leewa. 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: Interesting, you know, I'm getting it seems to be that 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: people are announcing their winner based on who they like 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: the most on the issues. I'm listening to folks that 19 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: said Mamdannie won, tons of people that say CMO pulled 20 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 2: this off. And now you know, I'm looking online and 21 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: there are a lot of people that said that Curtesia 22 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: was quintessential New Yorker. He was authentic, and he came 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 2: across as competent but bombastic. So you know, I'm getting 24 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 2: I'm still studying what people are saying. I'm getting a 25 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 2: lot of feedback, and it appears that a lot of 26 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: your listeners may have agreed with many of the points 27 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: that Criticia made and a lot of your listeners are 28 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: probably thinking, what would happen if this was a one 29 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: and one between Curtisi, what and Mamdanni in a different universe. 30 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 2: But that wasn't the case last night. Last night was 31 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 2: a case where he had three candidates that were all 32 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 2: interviewing for that same job. Mam Donnie, Look, I know 33 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: your listeners don't want to hear this, but he has 34 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: incredible stage presence. I told you yesterday. I told you 35 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: yesterday that he was critical for our Governor Clmo to 36 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: look at that camera and to speak directly to New Yorkers. 37 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: And something that critically and Mam Donnie did was that 38 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: they were able to look at the camera, no matter 39 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: what the question was, look at the camera and answer 40 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: directly to New Yorkers. And I think that often Governor 41 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: Clmo found himself speaking to reporters as if it were 42 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: a press conference. On presence on stage presence, Mamdanni wins. 43 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 2: Mamdani wins because he was able to deflect on absolutely everything. 44 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: I've never seen anything like it. It's very difficult for Curtis 45 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: y and Andrew Cuomo to debate someone who has changed 46 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: every single position on prostitution. I never said that on Israel. 47 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: I never said that on Gifted and Talented programs. I 48 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: never said that. On every single aspect of misdemeanors, getting 49 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: rid of them and closing prisons. Never said it. So 50 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 2: it's very interesting to see how much some liment Mamdnni 51 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: has become a moderate, become a centrist and has disavowed 52 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: things that are online that he has said repeatedly during 53 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: the campaign and really propelled his projectory into where he 54 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 2: is today. Now he disavows ever saying any of these things. 55 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: And it's very interesting to see now how he appreciates 56 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: the police, how he had to speak to Jews to 57 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: understand the problems that Israel has faced, and now still 58 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: will condemn Global Asiento fight and Tahamas to put their 59 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: weapons down, but speaks in such a way in such 60 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 2: parables and such lofty language that makes you forget that 61 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 2: these things are available for us to actually reference. 62 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and that's where I thought he got bloodied 63 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: up just a little bit. And that was on the 64 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: point you just brought up that he didn't disavow saying 65 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: that there Israel shouldn't be a Jewish state, and he 66 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: didn't disavow saying that he once was supporting globalized in Fatata, 67 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: and so I don't I thought he lost some points 68 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: on that. And we'll see if it affects any of 69 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: the Jewish voters, because the poll show he's getting half 70 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: of the Jewish vote in New York, which is incredible 71 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: to me. 72 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: He's getting a lot of Jewish support. And again we 73 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: talked about it. The Jewish vote is not a monolith. 74 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: You have generational divides. You have practicing Jews us non 75 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 2: practicing Jews. You have folks that have no very little 76 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: connection of any to the plight of Israel and what 77 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: Jews have experienced, and they have no problem with hearing 78 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: some of the things from Mamdani supporters regarding Israel cloaked 79 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: under the auspices of being anti Zionism, but quite frankly, 80 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 2: when you sit down and think about it, when you 81 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 2: say that you're okay with you know, getting rid of 82 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: Israel and Jews, this is a problem. And no matter 83 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 2: how much you look at the camera and how passionate 84 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: you are with your cadence and how you want to 85 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 2: let us know that you care about it, each and 86 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 2: every New Yorker should live in it affordable city. I'm god, really, 87 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: he's give me a break. I mean, I can't believe 88 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: that people are o this. I'm sitting there and I'm 89 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: looking at I'm looking at the question on experience, and 90 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 2: I think Governor Colmo Nach it out of the park 91 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: by far the most experienced candidate. And it was we've 92 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: heard that line before. He practiced it. It was great, 93 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: Like a great actor he is. He came back and said, well, 94 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 2: what I like to experience you let an integrity and 95 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: you can never make Oh my goodness, gracious. It was 96 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: perfect and in not the Governor CuMo off a little bit. 97 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 2: But he has to remember the next time around, that 98 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: line is gonna come like it comes every single time. 99 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: I would go in there, like the attorney that he was, 100 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: You're gonna hear assault on my integrity. You're gonna hear assaults. 101 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 2: And none of this hides the fact that the Assemblement 102 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 2: has a staff of four doesn't have the experience to 103 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: be the executive of the most important city on Earth. 104 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you this, what I didn't expect, and 105 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: I told you I was concerned about this happening, was 106 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: Curtis Leewa attacking Governor Cuomo the way he did yesterday. 107 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: If you consider that the Socialists are the enemy. Having 108 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 2: curtiously we go in for the juggular on Cuomo all 109 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 2: night yesterday, made Cuomo be on the defensive, not only 110 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: by some of the questions that were coming in from 111 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: the moderators, who did a good job, but quite frankly, 112 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: when you're alleging investigations that the governor says do not exist, 113 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,679 Speaker 2: but you bring them up again and again and again. 114 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 2: The governor's defending himself against the moderators, he's defending himself 115 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: against Momdani all night, and then he's defending himself against us. 116 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 2: So when you're explaining, you're losing. And it was very 117 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 2: tough for Governor Como to get in the points that 118 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: he wanted to make when he's getting assaulted by everyone 119 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: up on that stage. By the way, I. 120 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: Took note of your first answer when I said, I 121 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: thought just because he didn't take any incoming, curtisly won 122 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: the debate, and your answer was interesting. And anytime somebody 123 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: says interesting, it's usually I don't agree with you at all. 124 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: I don't even know where you got that. 125 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 2: No, Curtis, Curtis's plintescension New York. I mean, what are 126 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 2: we gonna What is there to say? The guy knows 127 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: New York. The guy knows every detail of New York. 128 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 2: What I'm concerned about it a lot of your listeners 129 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 2: are concerned about is these poll numbers. Yeah, absolutely, numbers 130 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: still have him. That that concerns me. So I'm sitting 131 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: there thinking, Curtis is an amazing guy, would be a 132 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: thousand times better than any socialists. But the poll numbers 133 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: show that he's exactly the number that's keeping us from 134 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: beating socialism. In November, the. 135 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: Moderators didn't do him any favors either, of which I 136 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: thought was kind of embarrassing on their party. They were 137 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: ignoring him to the point where I had to keep saying, hey, 138 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: guess what, I'm here too, Thanks so much. It was 139 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: great to talk to you as always. 140 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: J C. 141 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: Polanco, political analyst and University of Mount Saint Vincent Assistant 142 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: professor and attorney. This has been a podcast from wor