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Speaker 3: Welcome in, hope your Thursday is off to a fantastic start.

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Speaker 1: Leave us a talkback.

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Speaker 3: We will get to that talkback in our number two today.

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Speaker 3: We have a ton to get through, only three hours

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Speaker 3: to do it. A lot on the Cincinnati Bengals. There

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Speaker 3: is the deadline question that we will continue to ask

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Speaker 3: on whether you add, whether you subtract. What do you

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Speaker 3: do if you're the Cincinnati Bengals. Also, what do you

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Speaker 3: do with these three roster spots that are still Austin

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Speaker 3: It's twelve it's twelve oh one. Do we still have

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati Bengals. Yeah, all right, I think our roster currently

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Speaker 3: is full. Maybe, but you never know, Maybe see what happens.

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Speaker 3: Three roster spots for the Bengals remain open. And it's Thursday.

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Speaker 3: This is the last big practice day before your preparations

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Speaker 3: start to throttle down a little bit during the NFL schedule.

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Speaker 3: Not sure what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: I think the expectation is that they will bring people

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Speaker 1: would expect that to be Cedric Johnson, who was a

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Speaker 1: full participant in practice yesterday. You might remember the former

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Speaker 1: the end of last season, so that would be one.

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Speaker 1: The other would likely be Joe Giles Harris, who was

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Speaker 1: I did, though, find it interesting that in the transactions

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Speaker 3: All right, Why rough Lenny Feathers down there. Also, there's

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Speaker 3: into in football in the NATTI that aren't very flattering

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Speaker 3: for the Cincinnati Bengals. We have talkbacks. It's Thursday, which

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Speaker 3: means we'll read and react ahead of Bears Bengals. John

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Speaker 3: Sheeran a Z Sports covering the Bengals will join us,

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Speaker 3: and how about this get Austin Keegan Nicholson not only

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Speaker 3: today but each and every Thursday.

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Speaker 1: I'm understanding. I sent Keegan a text and I said,

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Speaker 1: because he's a very busy man, I said, can you

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Speaker 1: join us tomorrow at two? And they and every Thursday

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Speaker 1: at two from now until the end of basketball season.

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Speaker 1: And you know those little bubbles that pop up if

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Speaker 1: and then finally after about seven minutes, Keegan goes yes

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Speaker 1: and yes, I said you're the best.

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Speaker 1: So Keegan today at two o'clock from now through the

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Speaker 1: end of Bearcat basketball love that.

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Speaker 3: Basketball season is approaching. Yesterday we heard from Wes Miller.

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Speaker 3: the Xavier Musketeers. Will do that in our number three

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Speaker 3: We got quite a lot to get to, including your

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Speaker 3: If you were in the iHeart Kenwood studio today, you

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Speaker 3: would see Austin Elmore downed in a very nice, very

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Speaker 1: Bulls haven't been four and oh in four years back

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Speaker 1: That being said, Bulls have a chance against Moe's Nicks

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Speaker 3: Last night, there was a buzzer beater in the NBA

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Speaker 1: How about this, said, Austin Reeves is the goat? The goat?

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Speaker 3: How about Brad Marthant And I don't know if I'm

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Speaker 3: saying his last name right. It might be Marshand, but

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Speaker 3: He came in and he is essentially telling people that

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Speaker 1: But why are you giving coaches seven to ten year deals.

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Speaker 3: There is also also what happened in Major League Baseball

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Speaker 3: This time last year, he was wrapping up a season

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Speaker 3: But it had me thinking. Last night, Austin, we watched

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Speaker 3: He seemed like he was overthrowing, he was missing locations,

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Speaker 1: It felt like Hunter was in over his head a

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Speaker 3: And yet I watched his twenty two year old rookie

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Speaker 1: And I will say this, he did pitch earlier in

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Speaker 1: We have a.

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Speaker 3: Listen to this sobering statistic. The folks at Gridiron Grading

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Speaker 1: I was berated on social media when the Steelers selected

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Speaker 3: He's actually he's got a six point two impact rate.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was obvious. The Bengals made it pretty

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Speaker 1: which it should is part of the issue in and

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Speaker 1: of itself, but the way they view it is, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: whether or not we have Trey, we're gonna see and

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Speaker 1: give Chamar and all these guys as many chances as

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Speaker 1: we can get, and I think Cedric Johnson will get

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Speaker 1: a lot of chances when they activate him to see

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Speaker 1: what they have. They're in this weird mix of development

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Speaker 1: but also trying to win, and I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's feasible. That's a hard place to be, but your defense,

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Speaker 1: you have no chance to win basically without Trey on

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Speaker 1: the field, right, So I mean I don't even I

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Speaker 1: don't expect Trey to play this week. Obviously, get him

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks to get right, and he's not

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Speaker 3: It's insane if you think, like Miles Murphy was drafted

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Speaker 3: probably to be.

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Speaker 1: The Sam Hubbard, it was drafted to be Tray's.

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Speaker 3: Trays replacement, and then Shamar was probably drafted to be

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Speaker 3: the same, and neither of them are producing, and it

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Speaker 3: puts you at a severe, severe deficit going forward. Let's

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Speaker 3: calls to increase the conversation going on here. Now we

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Speaker 3: number one around the Cincinnati Bengals. Let's go to Westchester

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Speaker 3: and talk to Jake. What's up, Jake?

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Speaker 9: Okay, what's it going on?

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Speaker 1: Guys? How you doing?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: You know, just listening in.

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Speaker 9: So I wanted to piggyback off what you guys are

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Speaker 9: talking about. So I've been kind of pondering this and

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Speaker 9: really figure out what's been going on and why are

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Speaker 9: we so bad at defense? And really, if we think

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Speaker 9: about the Super Bowl run, only four were draft picks

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Speaker 9: that the Bengals really that were starters that really had

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Speaker 9: worked contributor. It's kind of sad to think that who

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Speaker 9: has that's been unable to convince the Duke or whoever

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Speaker 9: to convince like we have quality draft picks and it

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Speaker 9: hasn't really been since Zimmer that we've actually had really

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Speaker 9: established guys are top quality like you have you know, Apkins,

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Speaker 9: Carlos Dunlap actually effective in those roles. So it's kind

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Speaker 9: of sad to think of when will this ever change?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the sobering fact. The way the roster

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Speaker 3: has been constructed, and it was easier to do that

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Speaker 3: because you could pay be over pay for some talent

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Speaker 3: because you had Joe Burrow on a rookie quarterback deal.

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Speaker 3: Now it gets magnified in the draft because you have

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Speaker 3: to hit on those guys and be able to get

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Speaker 3: them in on their rookie deals to be able to

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Speaker 3: make it financially work, and they've just been unable to

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Speaker 3: do that.

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Speaker 1: Well, you bring up a good point, Jake about you

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Speaker 1: know Mike Zimmer and I think another guy that's an

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Speaker 1: example is Jay Hayes, who is their defensive coordinator or

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Speaker 1: defensive line coach for a long time. With the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: the coaches are basically the scouting department. Those two guys

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Speaker 1: were really good at identifying talent and turning that into

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Speaker 1: NFL talent. Michael Johnson, Carlos dunlap Gino Atkins, those are

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Speaker 1: guys that the Bengals drafted under their watch and developed

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Speaker 1: into some of the best players in franchise history. And

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Speaker 1: when you don't have assistant coaches that are good at

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Speaker 1: doing that or capable of doing that, it shows up

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Speaker 1: in the draft because that's who you rely on more

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Speaker 1: than a small scouting department, Which is my point that

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Speaker 1: it all leads back to Zach Taylor in his inability

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Speaker 1: to ultimately build a staff that is capable of doing

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Speaker 1: in completing the unique, complex tasks of the Bengals job.

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Speaker 9: I think the only thing we want to also say,

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Speaker 9: like I know, we kind of say, look at what

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Speaker 9: Louis and Arima was doing was over on the Cults

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Speaker 9: to kind of piggyback. Also a conversation I had before

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Speaker 9: there what I also would love to see, which won't

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Speaker 9: be for years down if he's still there, is is he?

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Speaker 9: Because I also feel like he had a hand on

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Speaker 9: some of these draft picks. Well, clearly he didn't like

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Speaker 9: to play rookies, but if he had a hand in

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Speaker 9: all this picking up talent, is that part of the

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Speaker 9: reason why we let him go because he didn't believe

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Speaker 9: the talent was good.

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Speaker 1: Enough that he had a selection in there.

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Speaker 9: Maybe that's why he was partially the scapegoat as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: versus we did establish rookies on the offensive side and

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Speaker 9: supplement them in, but we never really get out defense,

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Speaker 9: and now we are forced to and we're seeing what's occurring.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. Appreciate the call man. Thank you. Yep,

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Speaker 1: thanks uh from Westchester to California. What's going on? John?

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Speaker 10: Hey, Tony number one.

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Speaker 11: I'm so happy that you're back.

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Speaker 10: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to piggyback also on what you guys are saying,

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Speaker 4: but I want to take it up a notch. Really,

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Speaker 4: it starts with the Brown Blackburn family with the way

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Speaker 4: that they handcuffed the scouting by having a small scouting department.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if Duke Cobin is the right guy

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Speaker 4: or not. But you know, with such a small scouting department,

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Speaker 4: they're not going to hit on the draft picks that

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Speaker 4: they need to hit on number one, number two. You're right,

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Speaker 4: Zach is not.

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Speaker 10: The greatest coach.

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Speaker 1: Okay, he's just not.

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Speaker 4: But Mike Brown is so loyal that he doesn't really

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Speaker 4: fire people. Maybe he should fire Duke.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Maybe he should fire I don't know. But when they're

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Speaker 4: not producing what he I would assume he expects them

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Speaker 4: to produce. You would think that he would scratch his

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Speaker 4: head and say, well, maybe we need to make a

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Speaker 4: change and do something a little different and look at

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Speaker 4: you know, how.

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Speaker 12: Did the Steelers do it?

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Speaker 7: How?

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Speaker 4: My question always was how did the Steelers draft TJ?

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Speaker 13: Watt?

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Speaker 10: And the Bengals didn't? You know?

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Speaker 4: It was like, seriously, but now you've got Jack Sawyer

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Speaker 4: in the mix too, But it's like over.

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Speaker 1: And over and over.

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Speaker 4: But as long as you got Mike and Katie in charge,

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 14: Uh.

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Speaker 4: The only other thing I want to say is that

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Speaker 4: I'm really impressed with Ursay's daughter Dan on the sidewine

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Speaker 4: geaving her dog gone is to learn the operations, You

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Speaker 4: don't think the players are impressed with that.

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Speaker 3: No spot on we talked about earlier in the week, John,

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Speaker 3: Thank you for the phone call, Thank you for listening. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's the swear thing Austin becomes even more pivotal because

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Speaker 3: t J. Watt's taking a step back this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean it's just that they you know, that could

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Speaker 3: be perceived as a victory victory lab for the Bengals. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: why you don't pay Trey Henderson. But you're right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the evaluation of talent, however it may be being done,

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Speaker 3: is an issue.

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Speaker 1: What's going on, John? How are you.

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Speaker 15: Good?

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Speaker 10: Afternoon?

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Speaker 1: Fellows? How are you good?

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Speaker 10: A few things?

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Speaker 16: First of all, I got to push back on there's

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Speaker 16: no quarterback hits yet for Shamar Stewart. We do remember

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Speaker 16: in training camp he did the offensive line. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 16: he did, Yes, the offensive line exactly. I mean, so

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Speaker 16: the offensive line couldn't pick up a simple stunt Lucas

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Speaker 16: Patrick shoved him into the franchise quarterback. So he does

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Speaker 16: have one quarterback hit, unfortunately against his own quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's a start.

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Speaker 16: I guess he's just got to get him turned around

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Speaker 16: in a different direction and go after the other team

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Speaker 16: instead of his own team.

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Speaker 10: So I just want to make.

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Speaker 1: Sure he gets critical a new point.

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Speaker 10: And again, you.

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Speaker 16: Look at Sam Mars Stewarty.

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Speaker 1: He looks like Miles Garrett, right.

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Speaker 16: I mean he's had a big, strong physical presence, but

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Speaker 16: he plays like Miles Murphy, which doesn't really help matters

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Speaker 16: at all. And I think it all goes back to

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Speaker 16: the guy who's putting the team together. Incredible job security,

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Speaker 16: right for Duke Tobin when you think about it, twenty

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Speaker 16: seven seasons, he's like a Supreme Court justice, right.

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Speaker 10: I mean, they don't get rid of Supreme Court justices.

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Speaker 16: By the way, he's outlasted eight of the current Supreme

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Speaker 16: Court justices.

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Speaker 10: The only Supreme Court justices.

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Speaker 16: Then in his job longer than Duke Tobin is Clarence Thomas.

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Speaker 16: So he's got his job for life and he can

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Speaker 16: do whatever he wants. In fact, when he was hired,

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Speaker 16: and just a few weird things, Bill Clinton was our president,

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Speaker 16: Bill Belichick was a forty six year old assistant head

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Speaker 16: coach with the Jets. Bill Bill Belichick's current significant other

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Speaker 16: wasn't even was born and Joe Burrow was two years old,

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Speaker 16: so he's been in there that long.

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Speaker 1: You know, and the stability.

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Speaker 16: When you think about it, him twenty seven years and

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Speaker 16: only two coaches in twenty three years, you'd say this

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Speaker 16: is the most stable franchise in football. It's like the

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Speaker 16: Steelers or the Ravens, but they're like twenty games under

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Speaker 16: five hundred during that time. So, and the whole idea

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Speaker 16: of having coaches is involved in scouting. Coaches like guys

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Speaker 16: with trade because they think they can coach them up right,

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Speaker 16: where sometimes you just need those productive guys who are

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Speaker 16: going to go out there and make plays. And I

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Speaker 16: saw Kenny Bruski here for twelve years. He didn't grade

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Speaker 16: well at the combine, but man, the guy was involved

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Speaker 16: in more plays than you could think about. He was

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Speaker 16: a football player, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 16: So it's a systemic type of thing that they're dealing with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, John, appreciate you man. Thanks as always anytime. It

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Speaker 3: is interesting to remember that Shamar Stewart did hit Joe

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Speaker 3: Burrow in training camp.

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Speaker 1: How could we forget? How could we ever.

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Speaker 3: Forget one more call before we take a break and

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Speaker 3: get to read and react.

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Speaker 1: Who do we have here, Austin, I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: don't know who this person is. I put them on

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Speaker 1: hold because we were talking earlier. So caler, if you

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Speaker 1: can hear our voice, you're on the air. What's your name?

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Speaker 10: This is Kim What up?

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Speaker 1: Ken?

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Speaker 17: Hey guys, this is mostly for John from l I

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Speaker 17: mean Mike from LA because I know all you young guys

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Speaker 17: don't like hearing us old parts reminiscent about the old

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Speaker 17: days in baseball. But anyway, and Mike is such a

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Speaker 17: Dodgers fan. Anyway, last night in the World Series, they

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Speaker 17: kept focusing on Sandy Kopax, who, as you probably know,

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Speaker 17: played baseball and basketball at UC. Well, let me take

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Speaker 17: you back to June the first, nineteen sixty three, and

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Speaker 17: to put this in historical context, this is before the

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Speaker 17: summer before President Kennedy was assassinated.

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Speaker 10: I was at.

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Speaker 17: Crosley Field at this game with the Reds and the

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Speaker 17: Dodgers joy Ja against Sandy kopas a real pitchers duel.

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Speaker 17: The Reds wonted one to nothing, and I can still

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Speaker 17: see in my mind Vada Pinson around me third and

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Speaker 17: scoring the only run in the game. So and to

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Speaker 17: see Sandy Kofax there and he's eighty nine years old.

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Speaker 10: He looks great.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, it's just so amazing to think back to that time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well said, that's cool, Ken, And good to hear

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Speaker 3: from you man.

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Speaker 17: Thank you, Okay, thanks, I see you.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I saw the picture of Carl Ravich from ESPN posted

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Speaker 1: with Sandy Kofax. Did you see that, No, where he

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Speaker 1: put his hand up against Kofax's hand, just to show

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Speaker 1: the difference, even at eighty nine years old, between somebody

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Speaker 1: like Carl Ravish, a normal guy in Sandy Kofax, and

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Speaker 1: he had hands that looked like an NFL wide receiver's hands. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And it's a cool picture that Carl Ravish posted on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it's cool that they keep showing Sandy out there. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: By the way, as you know, Sandy Kofax, University of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ken said that. Yeah, I did not know he

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Speaker 1: played basketball. You see too though, That's what Ken said.

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Speaker 1: I a dominant athlete. I didn't dominant athlete.

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Speaker 3: Read and React is next to finish out number one

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Speaker 1: Bruzellez, Gideon spin Buzells able to recover off the stin

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Speaker 1: She'll keep it the driple Go show it on to.

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Speaker 18: Him, Monus busellez a little.

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Speaker 1: He's just showing it all right now. You know it's

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Speaker 1: played four games in the season.

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Speaker 18: He says, you know, why, why not, I'm gonna show

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Speaker 18: you all my tricks. And he goes right there and

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Speaker 18: he goes underneath the mar and then finger rolls in

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Speaker 18: with the right hand man.

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Speaker 3: Don't show it all off yet, matass.

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Speaker 1: I can't get enough of this guy. Man Matas number

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Speaker 1: fourteen eleventh overall pick killing it. He looked like Jordan

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Speaker 1: going from one hand to the other in the air

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Speaker 1: finger hole. The Bulls beat the Old Bulls last night.

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Speaker 1: All Our Call on the Chicago Sports Network.

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Speaker 3: the way, that Saturday night kickoff numbers started in places

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Speaker 3: Austin at six and a half, other places at seven.

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Speaker 1: The number is up to ten and a half. Now,

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Speaker 1: what did they know? If we don't know, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to get to the airport tomorrow. Is that running back

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Speaker 1: I'm blanking on prior? Is Evan Pryor? I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: is that worth a heisman? Is he a heisman? Trophy? Will?

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Speaker 3: If he's worth that many points? I don't want to

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Speaker 3: I don't want to sound like a homer you are,

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Speaker 3: I know. I think Manny Covey's a good back. I

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Speaker 3: think their third back is good. Uh, they're gonna miss

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Speaker 3: a little bit, but they still got tywee walker Sowresby

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Speaker 3: will probably use his legs a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Ten and a half.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna get to the airport tomorrow, Austin. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: have a roster in my hand. I'm gonna get the

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Speaker 3: window seat, and I'm just gonna go through the roster.

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Speaker 3: As guys are getting on the plane and seeing like,

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Speaker 3: is someone wearing a boot that I don't know about?

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Speaker 3: Is everyone here? Is everyone getting on the plane plane?

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Speaker 3: Is anyone wearing mask?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: Is anyone potentially sick? What is going on that this

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Speaker 3: number keeps going up? I would also suggests that now

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Speaker 3: let me ask you.

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Speaker 1: This is it? The hand painted helmets now on the plane?

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Speaker 1: Are you you know that you're a Hall of Famer?

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Speaker 1: You up top? No first class? You know it's funny

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Speaker 1: because last you and Horde I figure one A and

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Speaker 1: one b.

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Speaker 3: Our last away game. You see football put out like

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Speaker 3: a diagram. Have you ever seen like the lunch table diagram? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they put out a diagram of like if these people

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Speaker 3: are on the plane, where would you want to sit

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Speaker 3: And like Sowresby was in one of them, and Corleone

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Speaker 3: was in another, and then Hoard was in like seat

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Speaker 3: two AA, and it's like who would you want to

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Speaker 3: sit by. We got to the airport, Hord and I

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Speaker 3: were in the same row thirty one. There's only thirty

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Speaker 3: two on the plane. And and Dan carry on its back

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Speaker 3: there as well. We hang towards the back of the plane.

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Speaker 3: We get on first.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's where you're trying to just sit back there

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Speaker 1: and stay quiet. Do you want to read and react? Now,

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Speaker 1: let's read and react? All right, only four of them.

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Speaker 1: Let's run through them. Okay quickly. This is from our

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Speaker 1: go at NFL pro No thistreed and react supposed to

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Speaker 1: be getting all this new image see what happens. Bears

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Speaker 1: running backs have been contacted behind the line of scrimmage

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Speaker 1: on just thirty eight point nine percent of carries. That's

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Speaker 1: the third lowest mark in the league this season. Additionally,

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Speaker 1: they have had room to operate behind the line of

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Speaker 1: scrimmage as they're one and a half yards before contact

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Speaker 1: per carry ranks is the seventh highest mark. Entering Week nine,

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Speaker 1: the Bengals have contacted running backs at the lowest rate

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Speaker 1: in the league thirty. Running Backs have also averaged one

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Speaker 1: and a half yards before contact per carry against the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: which is the sixth highest YIPS. So that is a

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Speaker 1: matchup that does not vode well for the Bengals. Bears

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Speaker 1: run all over the Bengals. Yeah, is basically what that

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Speaker 1: tells me.

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Speaker 3: I when I initially see this, I am concerned because

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Speaker 3: I was already concerned with Deanre Swift going into the game.

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Speaker 3: It was concerned because of him as a runner, but

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Speaker 3: also him as a pass catcher. There's an explosiveness with

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Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift and the lack of tackling from the Bengals

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Speaker 3: is worrisome to me coming off of last week's game.

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Speaker 3: That to me is like Brice Hall. Brice Hall literally

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Speaker 3: laughed at the Bengals because of how he made them miss.

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Speaker 3: And now here's a team that is not allowing much

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Speaker 3: penetration in the run game, that is moving and winning

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Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage. That to me is even

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Speaker 3: more room for DeAndre Swift to get downhill on these carries,

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Speaker 3: which if the Bengals can't correct, that is going to.

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Speaker 1: Be a long day. Again, going back to the defensive line,

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Speaker 1: and our next one's about the defensive line as well.

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Speaker 1: If you're not getting to the ball carrier until one

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Speaker 1: and a half yards past the line of scrimmage, trouble,

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Speaker 1: you're getting your You're getting smoked off the line of

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Speaker 1: so you're getting dominated in the trenches. The Bengals have

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Speaker 1: generated pressure on twenty seven point two percent of dropbacks,

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Speaker 1: the fourth lowest mark entering Week nine. I'd love to

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Speaker 1: see the other three. Joseph Osai twenty three and Trey

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Speaker 1: Hendrickson twenty three have accounted for nearly half of the

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Speaker 1: Bengals pressures this season forty three point eight percent of them,

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Speaker 1: although Hendrickson left early in Week eight. Outside of Osai

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Speaker 1: and Hendrickson, the next closest defender is Miles Murphy with eleven.

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Speaker 1: The Bears have allowed a pressure on thirty point six

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Speaker 1: percent of dropbacks, the ninth lowest rate in the league.

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Speaker 3: Well, I throw the last part away because we did

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Speaker 3: read and react last week and we talked about how

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Speaker 3: bad the Jets were upfront and pass protection and the

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Speaker 3: Bengals couldn't get home. And I take that a step further.

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Speaker 3: Now we know that this team has not been good

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Speaker 3: stopping the run. We know they've not been able to

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Speaker 3: get after the passer. The problem when you have a

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Speaker 3: defense like this Austin that can do neither, you just

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Speaker 3: don't have the secondary to be able to help you.

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Speaker 1: You can't.

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Speaker 3: There are teams that may be bad against the run,

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Speaker 3: but they're good after getting after the passer or vice versa.

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Speaker 3: When you can do neither, you allow a team to

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Speaker 3: be balanced. You put more pressure on your back end.

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Speaker 3: We knew coming into the year that it was going

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Speaker 3: to be a question mark for this group up front,

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Speaker 3: the fact that you might not have Trey Hendrickson, who

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Speaker 3: along with Joseph Osai, accounts for half of those pressures.

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Speaker 3: Caleb Williams should be very comfortable in the pocket, and

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Speaker 3: then it goes to Al Golden Austin. Do you, if

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Speaker 3: you're Al Golden, do you try to drum up more pressures.

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Speaker 1: Twenty four point eight percent of snaps last week? Did

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Speaker 1: he blitz? Yes, you might have to keep it, you

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Speaker 1: mut pretty long.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you might have to raise that rate, especially with

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Speaker 3: Kayleb Williams and maybe lead him into some confusion.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk a little bit about how that affects

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Speaker 1: the back end. DJ Turner, OH has spent the series

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Speaker 1: zero point six to three seconds per coverage snap in

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Speaker 1: tight coverage this season, the second highest mark among cornerbacks

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Speaker 1: with at least one hundred coverage snaps. Consequently, Turner has

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Speaker 1: made a play on the ball on thirty five point

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Speaker 1: one percent of his targets, the highest mark among that

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Speaker 1: same group. He has a league high thirteen passes defensed,

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Speaker 1: including two interceptions.

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Speaker 3: It just makes things so much easier on a defensive

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Speaker 3: coordinator if you have a guy that you feel confident

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Speaker 3: in saying, Okay, we know that if he's in coverage,

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Speaker 3: we're good there. Let's focus on the other ten. That

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Speaker 3: is a weapon that DJ Turner brings to you right now.

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Speaker 3: And I wonder as the season rolls on Austin. Do

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Speaker 3: we start to see DJ Turner travel more with the

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Speaker 3: opposing number one wide receiver because there's I feel like

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Speaker 3: there's just a huge drop off between Turner and anybody

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Speaker 3: else covering on this team. Do you put him on

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Speaker 3: a dunes more and say wherever he lines up, DJ

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Speaker 3: Turner is lining up, or do you allow him to

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Speaker 3: play field versus boundary. There's no doubt about it. He's

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Speaker 3: been their best defender win on the field. He's covering,

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Speaker 3: he's making plays on the ball, he's being physical. I

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Speaker 3: don't think you could ask any more than the progression

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Speaker 3: of what DJ Turner's giving you.

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Speaker 1: Not that it matters because Garrett Wilson and Sauce Gardner

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Speaker 1: didn't play, for example, last week. But DJ Moore, Roma

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Speaker 1: Dunsa and Luther Burden the third the top three wide

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Speaker 1: receivers for the Bears, none of them pra just yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Oh that doesn't matter. Speaking of wide receivers, Jamar Chase

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Speaker 1: will finish off with this. In three games with Flacco

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Speaker 1: at quarterback, he's been targeted fifty four times. Wow, that's

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Speaker 1: forty five point eight percent of the Bengals target share

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Speaker 1: during that span. However, nearly two thirds of Chase's targets

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Speaker 1: have come under ten air yards sixty two point nine percent,

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Speaker 1: with two hundred eleven of his three hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: six yards coming on those targets. Chase has average just

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Speaker 1: six point four yards per target with Placo at quarterback,

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Speaker 1: down from eight point three yards per target prior to

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Speaker 1: Week six.

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Speaker 3: Fifty four targets in three games is unbelievable, but I

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Speaker 3: think you understand and can see why.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: One, they don't have the offensive lineability to hold up

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Speaker 3: for deeper developing routes.

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Speaker 1: Two, when you're keeping it.

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Speaker 3: Simple for the Joe Flacco and playing fast, getting the

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Speaker 3: ball out is the best thing you can do. And three,

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Speaker 3: I do think that that rate in which they're getting

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Speaker 3: the ball out quick point four yards per target under

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Speaker 3: ten yards in the air almost sixty three percent of

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Speaker 3: the time. What I think that does is slow that

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Speaker 3: pass rush down just a little bit and helps open

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Speaker 3: up some things in the running game. Now, again, you're

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Speaker 3: gonna be hard pressed to hear me say don't throw

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Speaker 3: it to Jamar Chase. As much they do need to

879
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Speaker 3: find a little bit of balance in the passing game.

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Speaker 3: You can't have Jamar Chase with as many targets as

881
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Speaker 3: he's getting fifteen or sixteen and have t Higgins at two.

882
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Speaker 3: You've got to find a little bit more balance to

883
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Speaker 3: make it harder on a defense to defend the whole field.

884
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Speaker 3: But getting the ball to Jamar Chase's hands and getting

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Speaker 3: them quick is never gonna be a problem for this

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Speaker 3: Bengals team.

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 3: and every Thursday. Right here at one o'clock, we have

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Speaker 3: a chance to talk to our guy covering the Bengals

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Speaker 3: from Ada z E Sports. It's John Shearon joining us

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Speaker 3: right now, John, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 11: I'm doing well, Tony. I know that you had a

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Speaker 11: decent weekend as well. I saw that nice you see

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Speaker 11: custom suit.

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Speaker 1: Eh.

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Speaker 20: Someone close, someone close to me who is also a

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Speaker 20: really big BANKERATS fan, she wanted me to tell you,

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Speaker 20: quote in a very positive way, Tony, your suit bleeping

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Speaker 20: bleeps again in a positive way, so you can put

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Speaker 20: together what the bleeps are there.

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Speaker 3: But well, thank you, I appreciate that. Let's let's try

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Speaker 3: to sift through here. What's going on with the Cincinnati

916
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Speaker 3: Bengals here, John, the defensive side of the ball. I

917
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Speaker 3: read a stat earlier. Through two hundred and twelve buying

918
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 3: pass rush attempts, Shamar Stewart Miles Murphy have combined for

919
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: zero hits on opposing quarterbacks. These guys were both drafted

920
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Speaker 3: to be the next in line, whether it's Sam Hubbard,

921
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Speaker 3: whether it's Trey Hendrickson. The failures in the draft, and

922
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Speaker 3: you could look the defensive line, you could look anywhere

923
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Speaker 3: else in the defense. The failures to draft successfully. How

924
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Speaker 3: far is it putting this defense behind going forward?

925
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Speaker 20: Pretty damn far, to the point where we're seeing mock

926
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Speaker 20: drafts now where the Bengals are drafting more edge rushers.

927
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Speaker 20: It's been two in the last three years, primarily with

928
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Speaker 20: the hope of replacing and then complementing Trey Hendrickson. The

929
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Speaker 20: difference is Trey Hendrickson knows what he's doing with his hands.

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Speaker 20: He knows what he's doing at the snap. He knows

931
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Speaker 20: how to beat the offensive tackles at the snap, he

932
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Speaker 20: knows what leverage uses, he knows how to process a plan.

933
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Speaker 20: And the guys in the building that they have they

934
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Speaker 20: don't do that right. Miles Murphy and Shamar Stewart are

935
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Speaker 20: balls of energy in terms of getting off the ball

936
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Speaker 20: and exploding, but once they get to the point of attack,

937
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 20: they don't know what to do. And that is a

938
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Speaker 20: hard thing to learn once you're finally in the NFL.

939
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Speaker 20: And it comes down to can these guys do this

940
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Speaker 20: in college? Are they actually winning? Are they be asked

941
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Speaker 20: to do this in college?

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Speaker 14: Right?

943
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Speaker 11: And it's it's a question of evaluation.

944
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Speaker 20: It's a question of what are they looking at when

945
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Speaker 20: they're scouting these guys and are they asking them to

946
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Speaker 20: do things that they've never been capable of doing before

947
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Speaker 20: at this level. So yes, it's one hundred percent putting

948
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Speaker 20: them back in. Obviously, it's not just on the edges, right,

949
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Speaker 20: you get the guys in the interior, and b J

950
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Speaker 20: Hills basically the only one who's winning as a pass rusher,

951
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Speaker 20: and he's on the back half of his career. So

952
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 20: this defense is so hard to it's hard to do

953
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Speaker 20: anything once you when you don't have any disruption up front.

954
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Speaker 20: It makes the lives of the linebackers and the secondary

955
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Speaker 20: guys a lot harder because they're just having to cover

956
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Speaker 20: and move around at a longer time because the ball

957
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Speaker 20: is just like the quarterbacks, just buying time in the pocket,

958
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Speaker 20: and Justin Fields can just do whatever he wants back

959
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Speaker 20: there because he's not being pressured.

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Speaker 3: I viewed Sunday's loss to the Jets as the worst

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Speaker 3: loss in the Zach Taylor era based on what the

962
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Speaker 3: Jets were oh and seven. Justin Fields had been public humiliated.

963
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Speaker 3: They didn't have their top two wide receivers, one of

964
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Speaker 3: them being Garrett Wilson, they didn't have Sauce Gardner. We

965
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Speaker 3: oftentimes on this show divvy out the wheel of blame

966
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Speaker 3: and if you get the pie chart in front of you,

967
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Speaker 3: you could talk about al Golden You can also talk

968
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Speaker 3: about players being in position and just missing a bunch

969
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Speaker 3: of tackles. Anyone miss tackles on the season. You can

970
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Speaker 3: talk about the head coach and Zach Taylor. You can

971
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Speaker 3: also look at the player choices that they brought in

972
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Speaker 3: and looked to Duke Tobin. So if you were assigning

973
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Speaker 3: blame to this roster and this coaching staff, how would

974
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Speaker 3: you assign that and who would get the biggest proportion

975
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Speaker 3: of the blame?

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Speaker 11: I think we have to look at the top first.

977
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Speaker 20: It's about who's building this roster again, like how are

978
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Speaker 20: they identifying how to fill these holes in the way

979
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Speaker 20: that they're doing it right?

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Speaker 11: I think.

981
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Speaker 20: And we can talk all day about Duke Tobin and

982
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Speaker 20: about the Sky department everything like that, and it ends

983
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 20: up being just a pointless conversation because those guys have

984
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 20: a different level of job security than anyone else. I

985
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Speaker 20: look at it like this, though. Last year, Zach Taylor

986
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Speaker 20: got a pass because the defense basically took them out

987
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 20: of so many games and basically cast them the playoffs,

988
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Speaker 20: and then they said, Okay, you know you're going to

989
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 20: stay around and we're going to hire your next door

990
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 20: neighbor as defensive coordinator because he's been in the building

991
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Speaker 20: before and he knows had to get the most of

992
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 20: the young players. And they basically did nothing to the

993
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 20: rest of the defense. They just got a new coaching

994
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 20: staff and the defense is worse. So you can't go

995
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 20: back and just rehire more, you know, just change up

996
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 20: the coaching to have again on defense. It has to

997
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 20: be looked at, Okay, what is the one thing we

998
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 20: didn't change. If this defense is worse than it was

999
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 20: last year and the head coach got a pass at

1000
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Speaker 20: some point, that that's why, Like the I think the

1001
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 20: target is now on the head coach because if nothing changes,

1002
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 20: then then what are we doing here? So yes, it

1003
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 20: comes down to the fact that this roster was not

1004
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 20: tinkered with enough, and they weren't enough changes made personnel

1005
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 20: wise on defense, and they were trusting in developing guys

1006
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 20: that just ultimately weren't really worthy of playing last year.

1007
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Speaker 20: And I think that's a credit Tolu and Rimo kind

1008
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 20: of realizing that. But unfortunately the guys that he was

1009
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 20: playing also weren't good. Right, So it's gone from bad

1010
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 20: to worse, and you can identify that the people building

1011
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 20: this roster are mostly to blame, But in terms of

1012
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 20: who can actually take accountability here, I think it comes

1013
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 20: down to the fact that they tried a playing with

1014
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Speaker 20: this defense that failed miserably, and it Walla is left

1015
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Speaker 20: to do is just look at what you didn't change

1016
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Speaker 20: last year, which is probably the head coach.

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Speaker 3: On the defensive side of the ball. Tuesday is the

1018
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Speaker 3: trade deadline. Are you in the camp that this team

1019
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 3: should look to move on from some players to recoup assets,

1020
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 3: or are you thinking that they should say, Hey, the

1021
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 3: AFC North is down right now, we can still make

1022
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 3: a run at this. Do you view this team being

1023
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 3: active in either way come trade deadline?

1024
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 20: Not necessarily, I think they would be kicking themselves so

1025
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 20: that they weren't at least looking at any sort of

1026
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 20: pass rusher. Keon White from the Patriots made a lot

1027
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 20: of sense for just a late round pick swap that

1028
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 20: the San Francisco forty nine or successfully jumped on. That

1029
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 20: would have been very helpful because he probably would have

1030
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 20: been their best interior pass rushers. So anybody like that

1031
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 20: who's kind of viewed as not really valuable on their

1032
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 20: current team that can be had for another late round

1033
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 20: pick swop like that would definitely benefit them.

1034
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 11: I'm still questioning why what the plan.

1035
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 20: Is with Logan Wilson If he's just a really expensive

1036
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 20: backup at this point, he's now dealing with the cap injury,

1037
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 20: that's probably not gonna help his value overall. But you know,

1038
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 20: there could be some suitors out out there for him

1039
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 20: at this point. Try to have any sort of spark

1040
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 20: in terms of a pass for us, that could be

1041
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 20: the one thing that can potentially turn this defense around.

1042
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 20: Other than that, though, they don't have a lot of

1043
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 20: guys on their team aside from Wilson and obviously Trede Henderson,

1044
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 20: that have a lot of trade value that they could

1045
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 20: even get at at this point. Like that's just that's

1046
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 20: the fact of the matter. With a bad team without

1047
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 20: a lot of talent, and a lot of guys that

1048
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 20: just aren't really attracted from the likes of.

1049
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Speaker 11: The rest of the league.

1050
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 20: So it's hard for them to be sellers when they

1051
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 20: don't have a lot of things to sell. But Logan

1052
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 20: Wilson probably makes the most sense, But I just don't

1053
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 20: know if they're gonna hold on to him or not.

1054
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 3: I feel like they're gonna find a way to try

1055
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 3: to manage the pain for Joe Flacco and get him

1056
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 3: out there on Sunday if he's not able to go.

1057
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 3: Is there anything that Jake Browning can do to learn

1058
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 3: from what Joe Flacco has been able to do, and

1059
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 3: in turn, maybe Zach Taylor can also incorporate with Jake

1060
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 3: running that would allow them to continue to have success

1061
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 3: in running the ball.

1062
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Speaker 10: Yeah.

1063
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 20: I think a lot of the under center concepts that

1064
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 20: Flacco has been doing really well with that is kind

1065
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 20: of boosted the run game because once you have the

1066
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 20: threat of defense is having to be okay like the

1067
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Speaker 20: under center, but we don't know if it's gonna be

1068
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 20: runner pass right. For so long when the Bengals are

1069
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Speaker 20: under center, they would always run the ball, but Flaco

1070
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 20: has that comfortability to turn his back to the defense

1071
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 20: and get the ball out on time, and that's been

1072
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 20: I think, really valuable for this offense.

1073
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Speaker 11: And I think that can in turn allow Brownie to

1074
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 11: play a little bit more.

1075
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Speaker 20: Calm and employees, and I think that has been what

1076
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 20: was lost from the last time that he was out

1077
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 20: there to the back to the previous three weeks where

1078
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 20: he was this season when he was pressing too much

1079
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 20: and he was just making bad decisions.

1080
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Speaker 11: That hasn't been the case of Flack.

1081
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Speaker 20: But I don't think Flacco has been necessarily that much

1082
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 20: more accurate compared to Browning. The balls is getting out quicker,

1083
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Speaker 20: and therefore the windows are there for him to hit

1084
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 20: these targets. So there's been a lot of teach tape

1085
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Speaker 20: I think for Flacco to give to Brownie if he

1086
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Speaker 20: does have to play out there. But it's up to

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Speaker 20: Browning to play, you know, calm, cool and collected, because

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Speaker 20: he just wasn't. And that's where all the stakes are

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Speaker 20: be made.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that Andre Josehavash has struggled this season?

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Speaker 1: And do you think we'll see more Mitch Tensley in

1092
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Speaker 1: his place?

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Speaker 11: I think Tinsley is an interesting variable.

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Speaker 20: I think with Yoshi it's always been about like what

1095
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 20: his ceiling actually is. And I think in terms of

1096
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Speaker 20: being a role player, in terms of being an ancillary weapons,

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Speaker 20: some of them you can go to a couple times

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00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 20: a game. That's always been fine. But I think in

1099
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Speaker 20: terms of where he's being aligned, the fact that he's

1100
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Speaker 20: not really getting off the line in equipped manner like.

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Speaker 20: He has some problems against press against the Jets, and

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Speaker 20: I think part of that is also kind of leading

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Speaker 20: into his concentration issues as well. Perhaps there's parts about

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Speaker 20: his role that he's not really adapt to doing it,

1105
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Speaker 20: and that's where you know, he's kind.

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Speaker 11: Of getting into his head a little bit too much.

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Speaker 20: But someone that I think has already exceeded expectations as

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Speaker 20: a player. Is a six round pick, and maybe we

1109
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 20: put a little bit too much on his plate in

1110
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Speaker 20: terms of what we expect him to do. But obviously

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Speaker 20: there's only so much you can do when t against

1112
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Speaker 20: Jamaar Chaser. Also, your teamates, right, You're never going to

1113
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Speaker 20: be the focal point of that of the passing game

1114
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Speaker 20: in that regard, So I think this is just a

1115
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Speaker 20: young player kind of going through something. But at the

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Speaker 20: same time, the expectations for him being anything more than just,

1117
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 20: you know, the ancillary guy, like the number three at most,

1118
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 20: like that was always going to be kind of far fetched.

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Speaker 11: So he's kind of just riding that line right now.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, he wasn't supposed to

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Speaker 3: be the ancillary guy. IM to im at Jermaine Burton.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Yoshi was a six round pick. Burton was

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Speaker 3: a third round pick. If he's not going to be

1124
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Speaker 3: utilized in any sense when the team is going through

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Speaker 3: these struggles, does does his role just evaporate? It time

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Speaker 3: to to completely move on from Jermaine Burton.

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Speaker 20: I mean, at this point, he's just kind of there,

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Speaker 20: right And I don't know what sort of trade value

1129
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Speaker 20: that you would get from a guy that just doesn't play,

1130
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Speaker 20: who's also been kind of you know, xed out by

1131
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 20: a lot of teams already two years ago in the

1132
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 20: draft process, right So, I think he's just right now

1133
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 20: an emergency option which they have, in which they could have,

1134
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 20: like you know, no other alternatives, but what to look

1135
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Speaker 20: for him? And I think what's not troubling? But we

1136
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 20: just don't really know what's going on behind the scenes,

1137
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 20: what's going on in practice, if he's making any sort

1138
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Speaker 20: of progress, because he's.

1139
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Speaker 11: Not really been given a chance to prove if.

1140
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Speaker 20: There has been any progress made, Right, So, I think

1141
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 20: they don't do you necessarily like the receiver room as

1142
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 20: a problem right now with title Chase and Higgins are playing,

1143
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 20: and I think if they have to turn to some

1144
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 20: of those guys that they would intendally would probably be

1145
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 20: the first guy that would get that next chance. But

1146
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 20: you're right, like at a certain point, like if Burton

1147
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 20: isn't just he's just collecting dust out there, it's a

1148
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 20: wonder why he's still kind of here and maybe like

1149
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 20: the clock is ticking.

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Speaker 1: At that point, the Bengals let Mike Panell go and

1151
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: he subsequently went back to the Kansas City Chiefs. What

1152
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,919
Speaker 1: do you expect, I guess McKinley Jackson. Is he gonna

1153
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: be the next guy up? And how do you kind

1154
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: of expect the rotation to shake out on the interior

1155
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: of that defensive line. You mentioned bj Hill being the

1156
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: only guy who's really winning. Do you think they'll continue

1157
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: to just rotate guys until they find something.

1158
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 20: Yeah, I think Hill and Slater are still of your starters,

1159
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 20: with Jenkins as your third. And it was evident that

1160
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 20: before the season they tried to get Jordan Jefferson off

1161
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 20: of waivers and they were just behind the waiver order,

1162
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 20: and then when he was finally waived a few weeks ago,

1163
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 20: they picked him up and he's been active, I think

1164
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 20: just a couple of times here. So he's just a

1165
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 20: big body, nose tackle kind of like what they envisioned

1166
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Speaker 20: McKinley Jackson could be. So I would imagine Jefferson takes

1167
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Speaker 20: the role of panel, which is about being a fifteen

1168
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 20: to twenty snaps a game as defensive tackle number four.

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Speaker 11: It's just like mckaalley.

1170
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Speaker 20: Jackson again, like a third round pick who's just not

1171
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 20: really playing, and I think he's kind of just less

1172
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 20: a square in around a hole at this point. So

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Speaker 20: like injuries, what I have to probably dictated fee gets

1174
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 20: an increase in playing time. But it was evident that

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00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 20: how much they wanted Jefferson two months ago, the fact

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00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 20: that they finally have him now, the fact that they

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Speaker 20: probably didn't want to release Mike Panell, but Panell requested

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Speaker 20: that release, and they said, Okay, like, you know what,

1179
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 20: we'll honor this because you know, you've done well for

1180
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 20: us in the last eight weeks and we have a

1181
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Speaker 20: guy that we feel like we can replace you with

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Speaker 20: in Jefferson.

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Speaker 11: So that is what I expect the plan to be.

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00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 20: But it wouldn't surprise me if maybe Jackson, you know,

1185
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 20: outplacement acts, maybe gets a chance here in there.

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Speaker 3: John, With all this being said, if you find a

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00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 3: way to beat the Bears on Sunday, do you feel

1188
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 3: like the season still has hope going into the bye

1189
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 3: week and really no one in the AFC North is

1190
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Speaker 3: running away with things. Is this the game that either

1191
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 3: probably puts a final stake in or if they win it,

1192
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 3: do they they find hope going forward and into the

1193
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 3: bye I look at.

1194
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Speaker 20: The next month and how tough that's probably gonna be.

1195
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 20: And I mean, now the Patriots are looking like a

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00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 20: team that's probably going to be clear favorites over the Bengals.

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Speaker 11: And there's a game against Steelers.

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Speaker 20: There's a game against you presume to be a healthy

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Speaker 20: Lamar Jackson, so the Bears, who are around five hundred,

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00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 20: but there's a lot of you know, volatility there with

1201
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 20: Caleb Williams and their defense.

1202
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Speaker 11: It's another game where they just really have to win.

1203
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 10: Right.

1204
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Speaker 20: If they do win, I think there's like a glimmer

1205
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 20: of hope alive because you're just a game back from

1206
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 20: five hundred and in a very week AFC, in a

1207
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 20: very week AFC North, And if they lose, it just

1208
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 20: probably confirms what we think about the team, which is

1209
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 20: just they're not ready to compete.

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Speaker 11: It don't have the roster quite necessarily.

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Speaker 20: But you look at some of the games earlier in

1212
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Speaker 20: this season where they just found ways to win, and

1213
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 20: you wonder if that is still possible after such a

1214
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 20: devastating loss, And I agree, I think it is the

1215
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 20: worst loss in the Zach Taylor era because of how

1216
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 20: they melted down, because of how you realize how some

1217
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 20: of these problems are. Most of these problems last year

1218
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 20: just trickled over into this year, and it just didn't

1219
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 20: do enough about it. So yeah, I think they can

1220
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 20: find a way to beat the Bears, and they could

1221
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 20: keep again the slightest bit of hope alive for the

1222
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 20: season because they've known to kind of come back in

1223
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Speaker 20: November and December. But if they don't, man, it's it's

1224
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Speaker 20: just gonna be this week, only times a billion.

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Speaker 3: Before I let you go, John, The line opened in

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Speaker 3: some places at six and a half or seven, it's

1227
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Speaker 3: now jumped to ten and a half. Are Cincinnati Bearcats

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01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 3: on the road ten to fifteen Saturday night at Utah?

1229
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Speaker 3: How much of a chance do you give the Bearcats

1230
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Speaker 3: when seemingly those that are making the lines are not

1231
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 3: giving them much of a chance at all.

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Speaker 11: Plenty of you saw is tough.

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Speaker 20: I think the fact that there's a big spotline in

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01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 20: this game, I think that puts a little bit more

1235
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Speaker 20: into it as well.

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Speaker 11: And you know the fact that like again, like you.

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Speaker 20: See is in the spot where I think a lot

1238
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Speaker 20: of people didn't expect them to be, and this could

1239
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Speaker 20: be where people think that, you know, the the Cinderella

1240
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 20: story maybe potentially ends. But I think there's been a

1241
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 20: lot that we've seen from swersby in this offense and

1242
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Speaker 20: even from my guys Saturfield, right, So there's been a

1243
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 20: lot of growth with this team, and I think this

1244
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 20: can be a chance where they just look at it

1245
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 20: and say, hey, people are counting us out, and that's

1246
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 20: another reason to kind of dig deep and find a.

1247
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Speaker 11: Way to win. So I'm not terribly surprised.

1248
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 20: That playing in the hostile environment against the ring team,

1249
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 20: they're gonna be touchdown in the half favorites or whatnot.

1250
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 20: But you know, I think I've seen enough where this

1251
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 20: team can surprise and I wouldn't be shocked at all

1252
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 20: if they pull out a victory in this one.

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Speaker 3: Always always appreciate your time, John. What's the easiest way

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Speaker 1: Awesome, John, you're the best man. Thanks so much. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk next week.

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Speaker 11: Thanks Jof, Thanks Tony, Thanks Austin.

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Speaker 1: Here we go. John Sharon A is the sports appreciative

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Speaker 1: of his time. I asked him when I called him,

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Speaker 1: I said, Hey, John, what do you know? He said everything.

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Speaker 1: I said, Well, I'm glad I got you today. He did.

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Speaker 22: Local law enforcement letting the public know in advance where

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Speaker 22: this weekends Duy checkpoint is gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Yeah, I've never understood.

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Speaker 3: Never made sense to me, Like the whole point of

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Speaker 3: drive right, but then you tell them where it's gonna be,

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Speaker 3: so they just go a different way.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 3: I've always wondered that, Yeah, there's got to be a

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01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 3: reason that is an elite Mount Rushmore of random topics.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I wonder like, is there some sort of law, like

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01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: entrapment law or something maybe that I don't know but

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01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: still still get Cunninghamson.

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Speaker 23: Hey, guys, I'm listening to your boy Lance talked to

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01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,439
Speaker 23: Than Brennaman about kind of how top heavy our team

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01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 23: is salary wise, and you know, if we're gonna pay

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01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 23: Tea that kind of money, you got targeted more than twice.

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01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 24: But then again, our offense is still producing. And then

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01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 24: leaning into what you guys talk about with you know,

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01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 24: Duke Tobin not being able to draft, but he can

1314
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 24: throw money at a at a team and make it stick.

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01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 24: So looking back, the people that were saying, don't pay Tea,

1316
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 24: don't pay Tray Davy that money up. Let Duke get

1317
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Speaker 24: free agency.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what up. Guys in

1319
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: Saint Louis. For whatever reason, I'm driving back in time

1320
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Speaker 1: for this Bengals game on Sunday. Welcome back, Tony.

1321
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 10: I know you're gonna be coming into the Grail Sunday

1322
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 10: morning on no sleep.

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01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 7: Let me know your Starbucks order and I'll take care

1324
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 7: of you and Mo we'll see you Sunday.

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01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: Who day, boys, what's the uh? What's that drink for

1326
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: your voice? The medicine medicine ball? Yeah, a honey citrus.

1327
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: In all honesty, that might hit perfectly. You're gonna need that.

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01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to need the medicine if you don't because

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01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: you don't sleep well on the plane. I don't. I

1330
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: cannot sleep on a plane. Yeah yeah, real quick.

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01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 3: This bothered me our our last trip back from Oklahoma State.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was one of the most turbulent flights

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01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 3: I've been on. Okay, I'm always shocked at the people

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01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 3: that just have no reaction to extreme turbulence, Like there

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01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 3: are people sleeping, there are people relaxed. I have like

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01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 3: white knuckles gripping my seat.

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01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: There's no there's no reason for I get.

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01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 3: So nervous with turbulence, like to a point where all

1339
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 3: I do is fixate on the flight crew because I'm like,

1340
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 3: if they start getting nervous, then I should be really nervous.

1341
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: But I'm always shocked.

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01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 3: There's like four or five people you'll make eye contact

1343
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 3: with on a plane who are like, is this normal?

1344
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 3: This feels a little bit extra, And I'm like, well,

1345
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 3: how is everyone else so relaxed?

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01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: I think the only time you really need to freak

1347
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: out on a plane is if it starts going like

1348
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: nose down, okay, any other turbulence, Like yeah, it's uncomfortable.

1349
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: It makes it makes. I don't know that it's you

1350
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: need to be white knuckling anything. Oh I am, I'm

1351
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: so bad when it comes to that.

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01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 25: What's up, guys, Twine from the Heights first and foremost,

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01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 25: Tony glad to have you back.

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01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: I have a start, bitch, cut Okay.

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01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 25: The top three quarterbacks in the league right now, in

1356
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 25: my opinion, Danny Dimes from the Coats, Drake May from

1357
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 25: the Patriots are my guy. Dat Prescott from the Cowboys.

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01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 3: I will start Drake May, I will bench Danny Dimes,

1359
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 3: and I'll cut back.

1360
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 26: It's the Lord on a soggy, soggy Thursday.

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01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, do something about it.

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01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 4: You know.

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01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 26: If Jake Browning plays on Sunday and the Bengals get

1364
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 26: demolished by the Bears, I'm going to use my superpowers

1365
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 26: and crack that ice so Zach Taylor can't get out.

1366
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: Huh. I don't know.

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01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 27: I just read a comment on a video streaming service

1368
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 27: regarding the Bengals and the trade deadline. They want to

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01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 27: trade Geno stone for an actual stone that they can

1370
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 27: put in the secondary and hopefully someone from the offense

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01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 27: will trip over it and that would be an instant upgrade.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty good. That's crazy, that's crazy,

1373
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 1: an actual rock to put that.

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Speaker 25: Oh yeah, this is the govnor Louisiana, and I'm hereby.

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01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 10: Sending notice to Ie heard Hit Pordos.

1376
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: In San Antonio that they were no longer in charge

1377
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: of hiring.

1378
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 22: Personnel for the Cincinnati Market show between twelve and three

1379
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 22: pm in the afternoon.

1380
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much.

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01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 6: Ronnie ron representing the Natty here in DC and Will.

1382
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 6: I want the Blue Jays to win so bad I

1383
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 6: can taste it. The only thing that would leave a

1384
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 6: bad taste in my mouth if they were to win

1385
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,600
Speaker 6: was that somehow Joey Vado is in part of the organization.

1386
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 6: I would love for nothing more than to see him

1387
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,440
Speaker 6: run under the field and celebrate a world championship.

1388
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: Wow'd be cool. That'd be cool for Vado. That would

1389
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: be cool. You think he's there. I don't know. Maybe

1390
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: David Bell would have been into the suite. Yeah, I

1391
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,440
Speaker 1: like that, you know, Alex.

1392
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 28: And Silverton's always got a lot to say about ballin

1393
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 28: Anie easy things like balling an easy lives in his

1394
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 28: head room free. I don't know what's stopping him from

1395
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 28: making a team and coming out to the three on three.

1396
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 28: He's able body, he's a young lad.

1397
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 27: I don't know.

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01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 28: I don't understand what's stopping him. He prides himself, he

1399
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 28: plays basketball.

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01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:05,759
Speaker 11: He's too scared.

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01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 10: See me.

1402
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 11: I put myself out there.

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01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid.

1404
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 28: I went out there and I just drained threes in

1405
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 28: people's face.

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01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 11: That's what I do.

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01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and still you don't come away with the wings though.

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01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 1: I agree with Ballin. Though it does feel like some

1409
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: sort of obsession that alex In Silverton has. He gets Yeah,

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01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: he gets college kind of did he? He comes off

1411
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: to me as a guy who always thinks he's the

1412
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 1: funniest guy in the room, and like people do the

1413
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 1: you know, courtesy laugh, but they're not really laughing. Twenty

1414
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,799
Speaker 1: four hours unto a convention.

1415
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 3: Now here's the thing. I'm not going to be here

1416
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 3: tomorrow for talkbacks. We have a flight to Salt Lake City. Oh,

1417
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 3: I know what it's about. But I would imagine I

1418
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 3: get it now that the Mere Mortals are going to

1419
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 3: be out in full form tomorrow.

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01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,799
Speaker 1: And it's one of my favorites. I was a warning.

1421
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: I feel like that was the call right the Halloween.

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01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 3: Oh, I am gonna be sitting in my car waiting

1423
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 3: to go into the jetway just to hear talkbots.

1424
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:19,759
Speaker 29: Hello, Dave Oller here, first time callbacker, longtime defensive backs,

1425
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 29: Me and the fiance just left Chicago, coming down to Cincinnati.

1426
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,600
Speaker 29: Gonna hit the Bengals game up, Gonna get some of

1427
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 29: that skyline chili baby hoo dah.

1428
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,520
Speaker 1: All right then, Dave, come on, Dave the Gutner.

1429
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 30: Hey, if I was a governor, you got more important

1430
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 30: things to worry about.

1431
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,799
Speaker 1: Don't worry about college football. Go Blee Jays.

1432
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 30: I'll tell you think Rosemary's Baby bringing exorcist, Blair Witch

1433
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 30: Project is scary. Have you ever seen these young defensive

1434
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,520
Speaker 30: linemen for the Bengals try to play football?

1435
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to talk about horrifying. I can't watch

1436
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: the Blair Witch Project. Not because it's scary, because I

1437
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: get motion sickness because I'm in the camera.

1438
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 31: They got a stab for you guys, and it's not

1439
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 31: a good one, okay. Trey Savage for the Blue Jays

1440
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 31: last night, twelve strikeouts, Andrey Savage for the Bengals in

1441
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 31: eight games, eleven catches, got that sink in.

1442
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 1: That's a good one. Yes, it's a great one year.

1443
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 32: Jack Over and College Hill Jack if we lose to

1444
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 32: the Bears. Obviously, everyone thinks we should trade Trey, trade

1445
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 32: Legan Wilson. If we can get a vending machine for

1446
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 32: Cam Taylor Britt, that's great. But I'm giving the Bengals

1447
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 32: like a five percent chance of making it trade at all.

1448
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 32: The last time I remember the Bengals trading a player

1449
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 32: mid season was after Carlos Dunblap listed his house on

1450
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 32: Zilo while he was still on the team, and then

1451
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:47,919
Speaker 32: when Carson Palmer retired.

1452
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: I don't know, I might be missing one, but no,

1453
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 1: that's I don't think it's happening. That's true. Those are

1454
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:54,759
Speaker 1: the two that happened. I think they ended up getting

1455
01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: Dre Kirkpatrick or no, it was it Giovanni Bernard that

1456
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 1: they ended up getting for Carson Palmer. They used that

1457
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: draft pick on Giovanni Bernard. I'll give you a thousand

1458
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: dollars right now if you tell me who they got

1459
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: in exchange for Carlos Dunlap washing machines. No, bj Finnie.

1460
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 1: He was a center from the Seattle Seahawks. Finny. I

1461
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,799
Speaker 1: believe he played in like six games for the Bengals.

1462
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: Come on, Oh, so.

1463
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 32: That was a mean thing to say about Alex from Silverton.

1464
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 1: Do it again. I'm trying to think here. One of

1465
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: these from Bill Cunningham show just got sent into arts.

1466
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: Oh good, do you want to play it? Absolutely? Let

1467
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: me read it first, because the WLW ones like you like,

1468
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 1: we would lose our license. It's so bad. Okay.

1469
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 7: I delivered pizza to apt had pure vall took him

1470
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 7: twenty minutes to pay.

1471
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: I don't think the I could even manage his own household.

1472
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 3: You know they're talking about the mayor over there during

1473
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 3: this show. You never have any idea what's being said

1474
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 3: down there, but it's always a good crossover for us

1475
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 3: to get that.

1476
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 1: Oh that's funny. Last our last one. All right. We

1477
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: have football in the Natty when we come back. Yeah,

1478
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 1: and you know we've been talking about those roster spots. Yeah,

1479
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: Bengals have just filled it home. We'll look at the

1480
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:28,719
Speaker 1: roster spots.

1481
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 3: We'll also look at the slates ahead, college football, NFL

1482
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 3: weekends ahead, Uh, Keegan Nicholson at two o'clock, we've got

1483
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 3: some Richard Patino audio right after that, and plenty more

1484
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 3: with you and your phone calls five one, three, seven,

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01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 3: fifteen thirty. It's since He three sixty. Thanks for our

1486
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 3: friends at Cincy Shirts on ESPN fifteen thirty.

1487
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Speaker 1: You know us, We know the NFL.

1488
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:50,799
Speaker 2: The official home of the Bengals.

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01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: Cincinnati's ESPN fifty.

1490
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 2: This is the Natties Bunch you and part by Bud

1491
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 2: Light and by Oakley Green on ESPN fifteen thirty, the

1492
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 2: official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1493
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 3: All right, welcome back football in the Natti hour number two.

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01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 3: Thanks to our friends at since He Shirts Austin. We

1495
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:14,719
Speaker 3: have been wondering, We've been waiting those three roster spots,

1496
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 3: those coveted three roster spots available for the Cincinnati Bengals.

1497
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 3: Do we know how they've been divvied up?

1498
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 1: They have beefed up the linebacker position. Oh per. They

1499
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:31,839
Speaker 1: have signed linebacker Joe Giles Harris offer the practice squad

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01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 1: to the active roster. We of course know Giles Harris

1501
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 1: mainly a special team er, second year player. He's been

1502
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 1: on the practice squad for the first seven games. He

1503
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: was elevated prior to the Jets game. Joe Giles Harris,

1504
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: linebacker to the active roster. They have released from the

1505
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 1: practice squad defensive end Miles Cole Cole's a second year player,

1506
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 1: signed with the practice squad right before the start of

1507
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 1: the season. He's been there the last seven games. Okay,

1508
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 1: so they've opened up a practice squad spot. Okay, they

1509
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:12,679
Speaker 1: have signed linebacker Liam Anderson. Welcome Liam to the practice squad.

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01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 1: Anderson's a first year player out of the College of

1511
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: Holy Cross. Originally, he was a college free agent signing

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Speaker 1: of the Colts in twenty twenty three. Played in four

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Speaker 1: games for the Colts over his first two seasons twenty

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Speaker 1: three and twenty four, and spent the majority of that

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01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 1: time on the team's practice squad. He was waived by

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01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: the Colts on August twelfth and was not with an

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01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 1: NFL team to the first eight weeks of the season. Okay,

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01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:41,440
Speaker 1: so he's on the practice squad. They've also signed linebacker

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01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: Brian Ossimoa, the second to the practice squad. He's a

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01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: fourth year player out of University of Oklahoma. Originally a

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01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 1: third round pick of Minnesota in twenty twenty two. Played

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Speaker 1: in forty six games over three seasons with the Vikings.

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01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 1: In total, twenty tackles, two force fumbles, one fumble recovery,

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01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,719
Speaker 1: and had ten special team's tackles. He spent the first

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Speaker 1: eight weeks of this season on the Raiders practice squad. Okay,

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01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 1: so by my account, there are still two more active

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01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 1: roster spots available, but the practice squad is again full, Okay,

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01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: the coveted roster spots. But does it say anything to

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01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 1: you that after continual embarrassing linebacker play, the Bengals signed

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01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: two linebackers. Well, it shows that what we're seeing is

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01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 1: what they're seeing as well. I mean, it's pretty evident

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01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 1: when you watch the film of the Cincinnati Bengals, they're

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01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 1: just not good enough at linebacker. What's a little bit

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01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 1: alarming is two of those linebackers are rookies and you

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01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: just hope that there's going to be some sort of

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01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: development there and not talking in the future about two

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01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: more wasted picks at linebacker. I do think part of

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01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: this equation is what's happening right now. The Bengals are

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01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: practicing at the indoor facility and Logan Wilson is not practicing. Yeah,

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01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 1: so Wilson, I think it was it a calf injury

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01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: that he was dealing with. He did not practice yesterday,

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01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: he is not practiced today. However, Joe Flacco is in

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01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: uniform for practice, and as Charlie Goldsmith outlines, he's throwing

1544
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: the football. Okay, So Joe Flacco dressed and throwing in

1545
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 1: shoulder pads for the Bengals today. That's a positive. Trey

1546
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 1: Hendrickson Logan Wilson not in uniform. Okay, Well, at least

1547
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 1: we're on the right track. Moving in the right direction,

1548
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 1: are the Cincinnati Bengals. We'll take one final break this.

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01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 1: Are you sure about that? Moving in the right direction.

1550
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 1: Let's it's they're moving. Are don't say that? People will

1551
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 1: get mad.

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01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 3: No, they're not moving, but they're they're going in a direction. Okay, well,

1553
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 3: yet to be seen which direction that is? I should say.

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01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 1: By the way, people are starting to answer us about

1555
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 1: our DUI checkpoint thing. Oh, what do we got? We

1556
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:55,719
Speaker 1: can get to that and after the bridge.

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01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 3: All right, let's get to that, and let's get to

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01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 3: some of the marquee games coming up on the college

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01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 3: and NFL slate this weekend next Sincy three sixty, ESPN

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: You've been listening to football in the NATI on ESPN

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01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 1: Hey, it's mo Leager miss anything from mis.

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Speaker 33: See three sixty continues on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: It is the Thursday edition on Halloween of since he

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Speaker 3: three sixty. You're listening to ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 3: Tomorrow we are all Mere Mortals, Mere Mortals tomorrow. Hopy Halloween.

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01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 3: I can't wait to listen to that. Did we get

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01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 3: an answer from the DUI checkpoints?

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01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 1: I had a couple of people way in I had

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01:18:56,040 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: mentioned is it entrapman in at doogie? Dave says yes,

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01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 1: entrapment is the answer, and then Harlan Fuller says, d

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01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 1: UI checkpoints are a violation of the Fourth and fifth Amendments.

1575
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 1: By announcing the checkpoints, the cases don't get thrown out

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01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: of court because the driver submits to the check voluntarily. Gotcha, Okay,

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01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: good to know. So there you go. Good to know,

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01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 1: Keegan nick. There are still laws that are follow us.

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01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 3: Keegan Nickoson is gonna get us squared away on all

1580
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 3: things Bearcats. In just a few minutes. At the top

1581
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 3: of our number two, we'll switch gears to the Muskies.

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01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 3: Richard Patino spoke yesterday ahead of Xavier's season getting ready

1583
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 3: to start up. While we're here, a real quick look

1584
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 3: across the the NFL scoreboard for this upcoming weekend. It

1585
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 3: is to me Austin back to back okay schedules last week.

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01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 3: I didn't think when the schedule came out it was

1587
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 3: going to be very very many competitive games. There wasn't

1588
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:04,839
Speaker 3: a ton of competitive games. We mentioned Ravens, Dolphins, Tonight, Vikings, Lions.

1589
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 3: I just think the Lions are in a really good

1590
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 3: spot right now. Panthers Packers the four and four Panthers

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01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 3: Austin is thirteen and a half too much?

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01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: Are the Packers just to train well? I think it's

1593
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: weird the the quarterback situation. I guess it's gonna be

1594
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 1: Bryce Young again green Bay, the way that they played

1595
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 1: in the second half against Pittsburgh. If they play like that,

1596
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: they're they're going to go a long way. So I

1597
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 1: don't I think thirteen and a half is too much, though,

1598
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: because the Packers do have a history of playing down

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01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 1: to their opponent. In the Matt Lafloor era Chargers Titans.

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Speaker 3: I think the Falcons Patriots can be a low key

1601
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 3: good game depending on what Falcons team shows up, But

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01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 3: all of a sudden I mean, you hit the nail

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01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 3: on the hebit. The Patriots. They're six and two and

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01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 3: they're just gonna keep getting better. And by the way,

1605
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 3: not a complacent six and two they made. They made

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01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 3: two moves this week. They moved on from two players

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01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 3: early in the trade deadline window and acquiring more draft picks.

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01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 1: For the future. Are the Patriots?

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01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 3: You told me earlier today you think forty nine Ers

1610
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 3: and Giants could be a low key good one.

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01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 3: Let' see how the Giants respond after this scataboo loss.

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01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 3: That's a devastating loss for them. Colts Steelers from an

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01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,680
Speaker 3: AFC North standpoint, we'll talk more about that game when

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01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 3: we do our pick them tomorrow. Broncos Texans. What about

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01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 3: Jags Raiders? This is like one of those games. I

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01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 3: don't have this one of those games, like, if the

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01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 3: Jags are gonna be legit, you gotta win this game

1619
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 3: because historically this would be like a loss that they

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01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 3: suffer in their back to four and four and you

1621
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 3: kind of close the door on the Jags. The largest

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01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 3: spread of the weekend is fourteen and a half. That's

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01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 3: what the Rams at home are going to give The

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01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 3: Saints Chiefs Bills.

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Speaker 1: Who would have.

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01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 3: Thought, Austin the way the season started for both of

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01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 3: these teams that we'd get to this game in what

1628
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 3: week eight of the NFL season? Now Week nine of

1629
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,600
Speaker 3: the NFL season, and the Chiefs are going to be

1630
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 3: road favorites in Buffalo. That's insane, right with how slow

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01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 3: the Chiefs started, how all the Bills looked coming out

1632
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 3: of the gate. Nothing about the Chiefs surprises Bills. Bill's

1633
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 3: got some stuff to figure out. But at home against

1634
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:09,719
Speaker 3: Kansas City, that's obviously the marque game of the weekend.

1635
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:14,719
Speaker 3: Seahawks Commanders Sunday Night Football Commanders. With their backs against

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01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:17,560
Speaker 3: the wall, the Seahawks are pushing themselves more into the

1637
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 3: contending list than the NFC, while the Commanders, if they

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01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:24,759
Speaker 3: fall to three and six, it's gonna be a long, long.

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01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 1: Road to plow there. They're going to have to win

1640
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 1: this game. Their season just has struggled to get off

1641
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: the brown. The Commanders have Terry McLaurin not going to

1642
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: be playing in this game either, But it's gonna be

1643
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 1: a great uniform matchup, the old school Seahawks uniforms against

1644
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl era Washington uniforms in the little throwback

1645
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 1: action gonna be a fun one on Sunday Night.

1646
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 3: Foot Cards Cowboys is your Monday night football game as

1647
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 3: well as it relates to the Bengals and the Bears.

1648
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 3: Did you see the one score or the one point

1649
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 3: loss streak that Jay Morrison brought up?

1650
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 1: No, listen to this.

1651
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 3: Teams following a one point loss this year in the NFL,

1652
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 3: the Bengals are the eleventh team in this season to

1653
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 3: lose a game by a single point. Out of those eleven, now,

1654
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 3: the last eight went on to lose the following week.

1655
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 1: How about that?

1656
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 3: So teams that have lost have come up short on

1657
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 3: the end of a very tough loss, the last eight

1658
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 3: of them have lost the following week. The outlier was

1659
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 3: the Baltimore Ravens, who fell forty one to forty the

1660
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 3: Bills and then beat the Cleveland Browns the following weekend. However,

1661
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 3: the Browns were also coming off a one point loss

1662
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 3: to the Bengals and someone had to break the streak.

1663
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 3: So unless the teams have played against each other, Austin,

1664
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 3: teams coming off a one point loss have failed to

1665
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:02,799
Speaker 3: win the following week. Just another statistic that the Bengals

1666
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 3: are going to be up against it with Yeah, I

1667
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 3: was gonna be like, I'll be honest. That means nothing

1668
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 3: to me. I don't is it supposed to mean something.

1669
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's more of an odious. Yeah,

1670
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 3: it's just a little it's some might call it a nugget. Yeah,

1671
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 3: that means nothing to me. Uh what does what does

1672
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 3: Penn State? Ohio State mean to you? Everything? Not as

1673
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 3: much as it used to does Ohio State? Like do

1674
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 3: you go into this game and just say, Okay, let's

1675
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 3: just take care of business, or do you want to

1676
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 3: like just stick it to Jim Knowles for leaving like that.

1677
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 1: I want to stick it to Jim Knowles. But also

1678
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: I'm looking around saying, hey, Matt Patrice is pretty good.

1679
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 1: I'll just tell you at some point, maybe you think

1680
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 1: Penn State. Yeah, so I don't know. I mean, I

1681
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: personally would like to embarrass Jim Knowles because I know

1682
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 1: he was a pain in the ass to a lot

1683
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 1: of people at Ohio State. But that's just me more

1684
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 1: than anything. It's I want to see. I just all

1685
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 1: I care about is Julian saying and the progression of

1686
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 1: Julian saying, because eventually they're gonna need him to win

1687
01:24:58,880 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 1: a playoff game.

1688
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 3: SEC elimination game on Saturday at noon as well, Vanderbilt

1689
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 3: and Texas a road game for Vanderbilt, both three and

1690
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 3: one in the SEC. Something's got to give their number

1691
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 3: ten Miami against preseason ranked SMUSMU has struggled, though that

1692
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:20,759
Speaker 3: is a I think should be an easy one for Miami. Locally,

1693
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 3: Louisville takes on Virginia Tech. Indiana, the number two ranked

1694
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 3: team in the country, goes to Maryland. You get Georgia,

1695
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 3: Florida Notre Dame in struggling Boston College, Texas Tech, Kansas State,

1696
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 3: South Carolina Old Miss Old Miss looking to keep their

1697
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 3: SEC and playoff hopes alive by avoiding a stumble at

1698
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 3: home against one in five in the SEC. South Carolina

1699
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:46,560
Speaker 3: eight no O Georgia Tech head to NC State, the

1700
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 3: number eight ranked team, the Georgia Tech Yellowjackets, looking to

1701
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 3: keep their winning streak alive. Oklahoma Tennessee a pair of

1702
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 3: top eighteen. Oklahoma's eighteenth Tennessee's fourteenth USC Nebraska. By the way,

1703
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 3: I believe Matt Rule just signed a two year contract

1704
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,719
Speaker 3: extension increased the buyout, which is gonna make it pretty

1705
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 3: much impossible. I think for this coaching carousel to see

1706
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 3: Matt Rule leave Nebraska and then you get Cincinnati Utah.

1707
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,679
Speaker 3: I believe Austin with even with game day obviously being there,

1708
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 3: I think that has turned into the Marquee game this weekend.

1709
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 3: I mean Oklahoma Tennessee I think has a say in

1710
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 3: that to top twenty five teams. But outside of that,

1711
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 3: there's no other top twenty five matchup outside Vanderbilt Texas

1712
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 3: US or Oklahoma Tennessee and the Bearcats and the Utah

1713
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 3: Utes on Saturday night. We missed anything? Is the primer

1714
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 3: ready to go? The primer that's your college football primer

1715
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:49,839
Speaker 3: for the weekend, your NFL primer, primer for the weekend. Okay,

1716
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 3: any more Nuggets, any more statistics that we can.

1717
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 1: Share, I don't think so. I think we got everything.

1718
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,640
Speaker 3: You think we could talk to Keegan about exhibition basketball.

1719
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 3: Probably why it's ten and a half hand painted helmets.

1720
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 3: You need to explain to people why McCovey cove or

1721
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 3: not McCovey, manny cove what's his name, manny key manny covey.

1722
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,680
Speaker 3: I think of McCovey cove out there in San Francisco,

1723
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 3: explain to him why McCovey cove can be the guy.

1724
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:19,839
Speaker 1: Like this McCovey cove and he's because he's hitting homers.

1725
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: That's why write that down, Dan Horde. Feel free to

1726
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 1: get a buddy.

1727
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 3: If you missed anything earlier in the show. Keith and

1728
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 3: Nickoson is going to join us when we come back.

1729
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 3: He's also going to join us each and every Thursday

1730
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 3: now through the end of the college basketball season.

1731
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: I'll see about maybe now until the end of time.

1732
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 3: Perfect, we'll get an update from get an update from Keegan.

1733
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:42,719
Speaker 3: I also want to know from Keegan why he waited

1734
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 3: so long to agree. I think that's uh seven minutes,

1735
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 3: that's plenty. He's probably got to you gotta take your

1736
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 3: time before you just say get it okay.

1737
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 1: Maybe you think he had to go up to ladder

1738
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 1: to Brendle. Maybe. I mean, I think the only person

1739
01:27:55,640 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 1: right now on a lifetime contract is Charlie. Yeah, let's

1740
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 1: let's do this. Dannaman's close. Danamon's close, but he could

1741
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 1: screw it up with the wrestling stuff. Yeh, that's been

1742
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 1: Danman needs to leave another talkback. It's been probably two

1743
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 1: years since he left the talkback. YEP.

1744
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 3: That's a good point as well. Had any guts, he'd

1745
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 3: do it, Keegan. We'll have to answer to those questions

1746
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 3: and more. When we come back. We'll kick off our

1747
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 3: three and if you're a Xavier fan, don't worry. I

1748
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 3: know we played West Miller yesterday. We'll get to Richard

1749
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 3: Patino in our number three today as well, since he

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01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 3: three sixty another hour still ahead. ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

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01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 2: Xavier beat Tony Pikes Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati,

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Speaker 3: It's our number three on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1758
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 3: And to do so, we're going to start something new

1759
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:07,759
Speaker 3: today that we're going to run through college basketball season

1760
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:13,799
Speaker 3: from Bearcat Journal himself covering all things Bearcats. My second

1761
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 3: favorite Nickoson, but for this show's sake, our favorite Nickoson guest.

1762
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 3: It's Keegan Nickoson joining us right now.

1763
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 34: Hi Keegan, I might have to rethink this season long commitment.

1764
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 34: If you're going to open every interview with that, I

1765
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 34: can't believe it.

1766
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 3: I have a question first, Keegan. Austin said that as

1767
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 3: this was transpiring, it did take you about seven or

1768
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 3: eight minutes to confirm he saw the bubbles waiting for

1769
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 3: the text to come back. What went into the decision,

1770
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 3: What went into that decision and how much did did

1771
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 3: Chad Brenda have a say in this?

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01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 34: Well, what Austin didn't tell you is that we were

1773
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 34: actually negotiating the signing bonus.

1774
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Speaker 12: So if he hasn't showed you in.

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01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 10: With that number yet, you can go ahead and get

1776
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 10: with him.

1777
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 1: That's coming out of Tony's pot for Tony Pikes since

1778
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: he Kagan.

1779
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:07,479
Speaker 3: The thing that everyone is asking right now, the spread.

1780
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 3: It opened a lot of places at seven, some six

1781
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:13,639
Speaker 3: and a half, some seven and a half. Last time

1782
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:15,639
Speaker 3: I checked, it's up to ten and a half in

1783
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 3: favor of Utah. Why that large of a number in

1784
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 3: this game?

1785
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 34: I think a lot of people are putting a lot

1786
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 34: of stock into Utah playing at home under the lights,

1787
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 34: which I completely understand. I mean, it's a really, really

1788
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 34: tough environment you're looking at the only other tough environment

1789
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 34: you see has played in was against Nebraska at Airhead Stadium,

1790
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 34: which I think, in all honesty is probably going to

1791
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 34: be tougher than what they'll see.

1792
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 10: At Utah on Saturday.

1793
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:47,800
Speaker 34: It's just hard for me to believe that it's going

1794
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:51,799
Speaker 34: to be louder than what those Nebraska fans made Airhead Stadium.

1795
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,680
Speaker 34: But I think Evan Bryor.

1796
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 1: Missing plays a role.

1797
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:58,680
Speaker 34: When you look at the success that you see these

1798
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 34: offenses had in the past couple weeks.

1799
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 10: Evon Pryor was a big part of it, and both

1800
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 10: the run.

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01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:06,799
Speaker 12: In the past, and then I also think.

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01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 34: You're looking at a Utah defense that you know, you

1803
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,600
Speaker 34: see hasn't really got up against.

1804
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 1: A group like this. One of the best.

1805
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 34: Defensive lines in college football you see has been good

1806
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:20,599
Speaker 34: at keeping defenders off of Brennan Sowersby, and you know,

1807
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:24,440
Speaker 34: if you throw in, say maybe they get two sacks, maybe.

1808
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 10: There's some false starts.

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01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 1: The kind of.

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01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 34: Close to perfect, like really really good offense that Cincinnati's

1811
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 34: been playing so far, it's going to be hard to

1812
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:37,000
Speaker 34: replicate that. And I think that dogs makers are just

1813
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 34: saying that, you know, Utah is going to do it.

1814
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:41,920
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't put it at ten.

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01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 34: If I was betting on this, I would pick Cincinnati

1816
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 34: just because you look at what Utah has done in.

1817
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 1: Their biggest games this year.

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01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:52,720
Speaker 34: They beat Arizona State, who started Jeff Simms, and then

1819
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,879
Speaker 34: they lose to BYU, and then they lose to Texas

1820
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 34: Tech by a lot. In Texas Tech play the backup

1821
01:31:57,960 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 34: quarterback for the majority of the game.

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Speaker 13: So I'm not.

1823
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:02,240
Speaker 10: Exactly bought in on Utah.

1824
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 34: I think there's a lot of outside factors that are

1825
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 34: influencing it, but Ken seems pretty.

1826
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:08,600
Speaker 1: Steep for me.

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01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 3: How big of a role can many Covey play in

1828
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 3: this game? Because when we've seen in the past when

1829
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 3: he gets opportunities, he does make the most of them.

1830
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 3: He hasn't been given a ton of those opportunities because

1831
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:21,839
Speaker 3: of what they have with Walker and prior and obviously

1832
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 3: Soarsby's ability. Do you view this as Cincinnati will kind

1833
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 3: of circle the wagon and go more Walker and maybe

1834
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,679
Speaker 3: a couple more Sowersby runs, or is there a fair

1835
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 3: share of Carri's for Covey.

1836
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 34: I think they're going to lean heavily on Walker and

1837
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 34: whoever the backup.

1838
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 12: Running back is is kind of just to.

1839
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:42,320
Speaker 10: Give Walker breaks.

1840
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 34: Don't forget about Chance Williams. You see, has used Many

1841
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 34: Covey a decent amount in the past game in terms

1842
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 34: of screens, and I would expect them to do that

1843
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 34: again this week. I think he's probably the best receiving

1844
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 34: back on the roster outside of Evan Pryor. But Chance

1845
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:02,799
Speaker 34: Williams is a better runner than Many Covey. I'm willing

1846
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 34: to say that he's shifty, he's fast. He fits the

1847
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 34: Evan Pryor runner mold better. But if you're in a

1848
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 34: spot with Tobbie Walker where he's hasn't been getting that

1849
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 34: many carries per game, he should be fresh. Why not

1850
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 34: give him twenty five carries? Why not let him be

1851
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:22,640
Speaker 34: the bell cow whose who's out there every down and

1852
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:24,559
Speaker 34: the only reason someone else is in the game is

1853
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 34: if you're scheming up a screen or if you're giving

1854
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:30,760
Speaker 34: him a break from Many Covey. I would expect him

1855
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 34: to be involved somewhat. Don't forget about Chance Williams. And also,

1856
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:37,160
Speaker 34: there's a true freshman on this team that I love

1857
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:40,679
Speaker 34: in Zion Johnson, who could be one of the most

1858
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 34: electric offensive players in the roster. A lot of people

1859
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 34: saw him in the spring game when he popped off.

1860
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:48,879
Speaker 34: If he's able to get the ball in his hands

1861
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 34: and any kind of situation he could be able to

1862
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 34: take at the distance, to keep an eye on that

1863
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:54,560
Speaker 34: as well.

1864
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 3: Offensively, it's been weird because it felt like against Baylor

1865
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 3: that they weren't dominant, and then you look up and

1866
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 3: they punted the ball one time and they put forty

1867
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 3: one points on the board. I know a big reason

1868
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 3: for their success is the fact that they've not turned

1869
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 3: the ball over in their last seven games during this

1870
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 3: winning streak. But in a game like this where the

1871
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 3: opponent is better, can they find a way Keegan to

1872
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:21,560
Speaker 3: eliminate these third quarter laws that we've seen kind of

1873
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 3: plague this team over the past couple weeks.

1874
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 34: I think the best way to eliminate them is for

1875
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:31,600
Speaker 34: some takeaways. I mean, you think about when you see it.

1876
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 1: Has gotten out quick and they've gotten those.

1877
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 34: Two and three possession leads on teams and then they

1878
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:40,240
Speaker 34: start to coast. The reason you feel so gross about

1879
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 34: those games after when they cut it to a ten

1880
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 34: point lead and then you barely survive is you see,

1881
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:49,479
Speaker 34: wasn't getting turnovers like they weren't for some turnovers at all.

1882
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:51,720
Speaker 1: You look at Oklahoma State, if they don't get that

1883
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:53,639
Speaker 1: pick six, you don't feel as good about it.

1884
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:55,599
Speaker 34: You look at Baylor, if they don't get those two

1885
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:59,439
Speaker 34: turnovers which immediately turned into touchdowns, that's a twenty seven

1886
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:00,680
Speaker 34: to twenty final, and you.

1887
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 1: Feel different about that game.

1888
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 34: So if you want to really make a difference, and

1889
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:07,559
Speaker 34: if you want to see your team's ceiling, continue to

1890
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 34: force turnovers.

1891
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 10: And it'll just make your life so.

1892
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:14,640
Speaker 34: Much easier because they've won without forcing turnovers, but they

1893
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 34: really dominated and put the country on notice when they

1894
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:19,880
Speaker 34: force the turnovers and put the ball back in.

1895
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:21,919
Speaker 10: The hand of one of the best offenses in the country.

1896
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 3: Defensively, this to me is no surprise. If you look

1897
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 3: at the top three rushing teams in the country Navy,

1898
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:33,719
Speaker 3: Air Force, Army, nothing new about that. This Utah team

1899
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:35,599
Speaker 3: that the Bearcats are going to see on Saturday night,

1900
01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 3: they are fourth in the country at two hundred and

1901
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 3: sixty seven point one yards per game that they are

1902
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 3: gaining on the ground. If you're looking at Achilles Heel

1903
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 3: for the Cincinnati Bearcats their run defense, they're allowing one

1904
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 3: hundred and forty one a game. Do you envision them

1905
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 3: at all going to a traditional four down front at times,

1906
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:59,679
Speaker 3: because we've seen team success against the three down, especially

1907
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 3: when orleons out of the game. Or is this who

1908
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:03,799
Speaker 3: the Bearcats are and that's who they're going to continue

1909
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 3: to be.

1910
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 34: I really I don't know, and we were talking about

1911
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:11,640
Speaker 34: it last night on the BCJ pod. I think you

1912
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 34: have to get exotic with what you do, like maybe

1913
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 34: bring some some glitzers out of the second theory. Maybe

1914
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 34: you bring the star down to the linebacker spot where

1915
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 34: he plays that kind of what the Sean Pace played

1916
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 34: in the first year, kind of the Rover. I don't know,

1917
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:28,840
Speaker 34: if you get away from your identity and what's made

1918
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 34: you great. I think before the Baylor game, a lot

1919
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 34: of people were probably thinking that Baylor was going to

1920
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 34: throw for four hundred yards, but the important thing was

1921
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,679
Speaker 34: going to be what do they do in the red zone?

1922
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 34: And then you see was pretty good in that area

1923
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 34: preventing them from getting to the end zone and large

1924
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:47,800
Speaker 34: so I'm not really sure I'd be interested to see

1925
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 34: how much they played Dante Corleone. Is this a case

1926
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 34: where they were saving him for a game like this

1927
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:57,559
Speaker 34: when the running game of the opposition is one of

1928
01:36:57,560 --> 01:36:58,600
Speaker 34: their best features.

1929
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 10: I would say that I like.

1930
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:05,479
Speaker 34: How UC's defense matches up against a running quarterback. You've

1931
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:07,880
Speaker 34: seen it with Cam Fancher and Sam Jackson where they

1932
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:10,599
Speaker 34: had some damage, but it was it was kind of

1933
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 34: like improvised, and it.

1934
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 10: Was when there there was nobody open downfield.

1935
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 34: My thing will continue to be if you can force

1936
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 34: takeovers or force turnovers and put some pressure in the

1937
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 34: opposing quarterback, you're going to put yourself in a good position.

1938
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 34: And then in this specific position, I wouldn't want to

1939
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 34: be Devin dan Peer after what bird Fickman did last

1940
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,920
Speaker 34: week for Utah, and you come back in and you'd

1941
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 34: take an over for a true freshman who had like,

1942
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 34: what was it, four hundred and fifty five hundred total

1943
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:41,639
Speaker 34: yards through the air and on the ground.

1944
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:44,200
Speaker 1: If he makes one mistake, which.

1945
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 34: A lot of people are like already down on him,

1946
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:48,960
Speaker 34: what's in the back of his head, because everybody on

1947
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:50,720
Speaker 34: the sideline, everybody.

1948
01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:51,760
Speaker 10: In the stands is going to be thinking, we'll just

1949
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:53,400
Speaker 10: go to that true freshman and we're going to win.

1950
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 34: So I would try I would try to punch them

1951
01:37:56,360 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 34: in the mouth early and make him uncomfortable and see

1952
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:01,560
Speaker 34: if you can force some turnovers.

1953
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 3: The one thing we haven't seen yet really from UC

1954
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 3: is having to come from a deficit, you know, outside

1955
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 3: of maybe a field goal or a touchdown. They have

1956
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:12,799
Speaker 3: done really well at playing from ahead. Does Utah style

1957
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:15,639
Speaker 3: of play when running the ball and how many fifteen

1958
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:18,639
Speaker 3: eighteen play drives we've seen the defense give up? How

1959
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:20,960
Speaker 3: important is it for UC to start fast and to

1960
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 3: be able to play from ahead against a team that

1961
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 3: runs the ball so well.

1962
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 34: I think it's very important for that and to take

1963
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 34: the crowd out of it. And I don't know where

1964
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 34: you stand on you know, taking the ball after a

1965
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:36,599
Speaker 34: coin flip, if you're able to win, or if.

1966
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 12: You want to defer to the second half.

1967
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:42,080
Speaker 34: I just feel like getting a stop on the first drive,

1968
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 34: when everything has been made about.

1969
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 10: How Utah is just going to run it down your

1970
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 10: throat and.

1971
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 34: Score, getting to stop and then immediately scoring and taking

1972
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:50,559
Speaker 34: some life out of the crowd.

1973
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 1: I think that's how you set it up. So I

1974
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:53,479
Speaker 1: think the.

1975
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:55,720
Speaker 34: Biggest drive of the game to the defense could be

1976
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:58,719
Speaker 34: their first drive. And if you can set the tone

1977
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 34: where you know you guys an't going to be able

1978
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 34: to just run all over us. That's that can set

1979
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:06,479
Speaker 34: the tone for the rest of the game, and they

1980
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:08,360
Speaker 34: can give both sides of the ball a ton of

1981
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 34: confidence and you can immediately be playing from out in front,

1982
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 34: whether it's on the scoreboard or just from the momentum

1983
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:14,960
Speaker 34: aspect of the game.

1984
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:17,600
Speaker 3: Do you have any big plans for Friday night in

1985
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:19,519
Speaker 3: Salt Lake City?

1986
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 10: I don't know.

1987
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 34: I don't think it's so much to go on a

1988
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 34: hike at like eight pm when it's dark.

1989
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:25,880
Speaker 10: I don't want to get attacked to like a mountain

1990
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:26,679
Speaker 10: lion or something.

1991
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 34: I don't think it's a very big bar scene in

1992
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:30,679
Speaker 34: Salt Lake City.

1993
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 1: From whatever.

1994
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,719
Speaker 34: Maybe I'll hit up a swig and get a dirty

1995
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:37,280
Speaker 34: soda and go crazy with it, but I don't know.

1996
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:38,439
Speaker 1: I'll have to find.

1997
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:38,720
Speaker 10: Something to do.

1998
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:41,599
Speaker 3: I have to ask on the basketball side of things, Keegan,

1999
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:43,640
Speaker 3: because if you know me at all, you know I'm

2000
01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:45,839
Speaker 3: not one to put any steak.

2001
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 1: In exhibition basketball.

2002
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 3: You never hear me talking about it, whether the Bearcats

2003
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:52,760
Speaker 3: win or whether they lose. Is there anything that you

2004
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:57,800
Speaker 3: saw against Arkansas that Bearcat fans should be concerned about

2005
01:39:57,840 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 3: us the season approaches on Monday.

2006
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:02,120
Speaker 17: Not really.

2007
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:07,360
Speaker 34: I think that the transition defense was so obviously atrocious

2008
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:10,600
Speaker 34: and so not up to the standard of what Cincinnati

2009
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 34: can do that it was it's something that is going

2010
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,799
Speaker 34: to be corrected, and it's something that Cincinnati fans should

2011
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,600
Speaker 34: expect to see corrected.

2012
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:22,599
Speaker 12: Wes Miller would not recruit players who.

2013
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 34: Played like that, and I don't I can't confirm if

2014
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:30,599
Speaker 34: John Caliperi was watching film of the Michigan game and

2015
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 34: was like really hell bent on beating Cincinnati and not

2016
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 34: really just trying to do it's best for his team,

2017
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:38,760
Speaker 34: But that's kind of what it looked like because it

2018
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:42,720
Speaker 34: was just get out and transition and go. So you know,

2019
01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 34: Wes was very very clear that he thought that the

2020
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:49,640
Speaker 34: two exhibition.

2021
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:50,679
Speaker 10: Games are very successful in.

2022
01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:51,280
Speaker 1: Terms of it.

2023
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:54,920
Speaker 34: It gave them opportunities to go to grow confidence and

2024
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:58,439
Speaker 34: have success, and it also gave them opportunities to see what.

2025
01:40:58,400 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 1: They need to work on.

2026
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:02,720
Speaker 34: Got kind of the hot and the cold, and I

2027
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:06,320
Speaker 34: think it was a perfect scenario. But there's not anything

2028
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:10,720
Speaker 34: too brutal or too worrisome. The only thing would be

2029
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:14,360
Speaker 34: that they're gonna have to get more creative with how

2030
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:17,599
Speaker 34: to score down low without John Haynes, So I think

2031
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:21,400
Speaker 34: the first option is obviously Mustafa cham who probably would

2032
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:23,200
Speaker 34: have been the first option to scored.

2033
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:24,679
Speaker 1: Down low even if Haines were healthy.

2034
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:27,639
Speaker 34: And then you look at Boba Miller kind of maybe

2035
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:29,280
Speaker 34: changing a little bit of what he does.

2036
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:31,400
Speaker 1: And then since your Harris getting.

2037
01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:33,719
Speaker 34: More active down in the paint and driving to the hoops.

2038
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:37,840
Speaker 34: So but no, I don't think fans should overreact too much.

2039
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:39,160
Speaker 10: But I can also.

2040
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 34: Appreciate the overreactions because a lot of us wouldn't have jobs.

2041
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 12: If there weren't crazy fans who ever reacted to exhibition games.

2042
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:49,519
Speaker 3: What do they need outside of just the low post scoring?

2043
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:51,800
Speaker 3: You mentioned things that they can work on. What do

2044
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:54,160
Speaker 3: they need to get cleared up between now and you

2045
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 3: get Western Carolina and Georgia State to start, but then

2046
01:41:56,280 --> 01:41:58,400
Speaker 3: you get a Dayton team who's very well coached, always

2047
01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:00,599
Speaker 3: a threat in the eight ten. What do they need

2048
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:02,880
Speaker 3: to get cleaned up outside of the low post between

2049
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:03,360
Speaker 3: now and then?

2050
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:07,439
Speaker 34: I think it's just defense, you know, outside of the

2051
01:42:07,479 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 34: transition defense.

2052
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:11,000
Speaker 10: There were some lackluster efforts.

2053
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 34: There were some misassignments at Arkansas, and West is pretty

2054
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:17,400
Speaker 34: quick to pull them, I think, especially with guys like

2055
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:22,679
Speaker 34: Jordi Rodriguez and Seanabaya, Who are those offensive players who

2056
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:24,519
Speaker 34: are coming in in their first year and they're trying

2057
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:26,920
Speaker 34: to get used to the standard of Cincinnati basketball and

2058
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 34: what a Cincinnati defense looks like and what the expectation is.

2059
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:34,840
Speaker 34: Those guys who are coming to this team to play

2060
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:37,800
Speaker 34: offense really just need to get to the point where

2061
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:40,680
Speaker 34: they aren't liabilities on defense, because you saw it in

2062
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:43,920
Speaker 34: the past couple of years. Gisel James struggled a lot.

2063
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:46,000
Speaker 34: I think it was better in year two than he

2064
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:48,880
Speaker 34: was in year one, and Dan Skilling struggled a lot.

2065
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:52,960
Speaker 12: And there's a players who are supposed.

2066
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 1: To contribute, the key.

2067
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:56,080
Speaker 12: Players, and then you get on the defensive side and.

2068
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:58,840
Speaker 34: They really really hurt you.

2069
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:01,560
Speaker 1: So just getting his offensive.

2070
01:43:01,120 --> 01:43:04,719
Speaker 34: Player to the point where they can play like sustainable defense.

2071
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 34: They don't have to be locked down, but just confident

2072
01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 34: defense to where they can play those twenty five to

2073
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 34: thirty minutes a game, especially in a case of Seanabaya,

2074
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:16,920
Speaker 34: because if he's going to be a liability, his minutes

2075
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:18,160
Speaker 34: on the court are probably going.

2076
01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:18,639
Speaker 1: To get cut.

2077
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:22,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot that we will continue to watch. First

2078
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:25,040
Speaker 3: it's Saturday night, and then the Bearcat hoop squad gets

2079
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:29,160
Speaker 3: underway Monday at Fifth Third Arena. Keegan, well, we'll have

2080
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:31,439
Speaker 3: this coverage with you all season long. We can't thank

2081
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:34,439
Speaker 3: you enough and look forward to seeing you on Friday

2082
01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:36,040
Speaker 3: and look forward to catching up again next week.

2083
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:39,080
Speaker 1: Absolutely see a tona all right.

2084
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:42,880
Speaker 3: That is Keegan nickoson Bearcat Journal dot com or kay

2085
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:46,120
Speaker 3: nickoson on x follow along with all Keegan's coverage of

2086
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:49,479
Speaker 3: all things Bearcats, and yes, as much as we'll talk

2087
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:51,320
Speaker 3: about the Bearcats, we're also going to talk about the

2088
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:54,599
Speaker 3: Xavier Musketeers as well. A lot of question marks around

2089
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 3: this year's Xavier squad. Richard Patino took the podium yesterday

2090
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:01,120
Speaker 3: to talk about the upcoming Xavier season. We'll have that

2091
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:03,839
Speaker 3: audio when we return on this the home of the Bengals,

2092
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:06,479
Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

2093
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:10,920
Speaker 33: Now your chance do an act on ESPN fifteen thirty

2094
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:12,759
Speaker 33: Cincinnati Sports Station.

2095
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 1: Welcome back since e three sixty.

2096
01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 3: Roll along on a Thursday afternoon ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

2097
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:31,960
Speaker 3: Sports Station. Yes, we're in the heart of football season. Bengals, Bears.

2098
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:33,680
Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about that. We'll talk about that

2099
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:41,479
Speaker 3: more tomorrow. College basketball Bearcats start on Monday. College football

2100
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:45,280
Speaker 3: is a huge weekend ahead, and the Xavier Musketeers also

2101
01:44:45,320 --> 01:44:49,840
Speaker 3: get their season underway on Monday as well, that against Marist.

2102
01:44:50,240 --> 01:44:54,640
Speaker 3: The Red Foxes from Marist will come to the Cintas Center.

2103
01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 3: Everything for Xavier kind of leads up to their first

2104
01:44:57,080 --> 01:44:59,920
Speaker 3: real test, which is November fourteenth on the road at Iowa.

2105
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:03,160
Speaker 3: They share a common opponent in the non conference with

2106
01:45:03,200 --> 01:45:06,679
Speaker 3: the Bearcats. They both will play Georgia in the non conference,

2107
01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:11,559
Speaker 3: and of course, December fifth, Xavier will host this year's

2108
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:15,800
Speaker 3: edition of the Crosstown Shootout. We put the question out

2109
01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 3: there last week what is the expectation in year one

2110
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:21,360
Speaker 3: for the Xavier Musketeers. We had a couple Xavier fans

2111
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:24,320
Speaker 3: reach out to us and said five hundred or so,

2112
01:45:25,240 --> 01:45:29,120
Speaker 3: and there's an understanding I think that at the time

2113
01:45:29,120 --> 01:45:32,280
Speaker 3: in which Patino got the job, and not having anyone

2114
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:34,280
Speaker 3: back on the team that scored a point last year,

2115
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:36,880
Speaker 3: getting to the portal a little bit late, that this

2116
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:41,559
Speaker 3: year is an uphill battle, especially against another good good

2117
01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:43,920
Speaker 3: season in the Big Twelve or the Big East. Connecticut

2118
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 3: is a preseason number four, Crayton is in the top

2119
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:50,880
Speaker 3: twenty five. Saint John's is a preseason top five team.

2120
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 3: So you look at where Xavier's at and I do

2121
01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:56,439
Speaker 3: think a lot of people would say, okay, five hundred

2122
01:45:57,200 --> 01:45:59,920
Speaker 3: or around that mark is a good year one. And

2123
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:03,280
Speaker 3: then let's see what Patino can do going forward with

2124
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:06,720
Speaker 3: the normal full off season and getting his grasp more

2125
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 3: on the university and where this team is headed. All

2126
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 3: that being said, no one on the staff and current

2127
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:14,280
Speaker 3: team want to hear that they want to go out

2128
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 3: and win, They want to compete for championships, and that

2129
01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:19,520
Speaker 3: at least is going to be the starting point for them.

2130
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:23,519
Speaker 3: As I mentioned, their season gets underway on Monday, but

2131
01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:27,080
Speaker 3: yesterday they're head coach Richard Patino spoke to members of

2132
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 3: the media leading in to the start of the season.

2133
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:35,880
Speaker 35: Well, when you start from scratch, obviously you're implementing a lot,

2134
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:38,360
Speaker 35: so you know, I mean, I think everything is a

2135
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:41,000
Speaker 35: work in progress right now. I wouldn't say there's one thing,

2136
01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:44,680
Speaker 35: but I mean, you know, guys are working hard, Like

2137
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:49,599
Speaker 35: the work ethic is great, the attitude is great, you know,

2138
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:53,680
Speaker 35: but everything is so new and fresh, so you know

2139
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:57,160
Speaker 35: it's going to get better and better as time progresses.

2140
01:46:57,240 --> 01:46:59,080
Speaker 35: But you know, the biggest thing you're trying to do

2141
01:46:59,120 --> 01:47:01,120
Speaker 35: when you get a new pro and you're trying to

2142
01:47:01,240 --> 01:47:04,000
Speaker 35: install everything and build everything, is can you get the

2143
01:47:04,040 --> 01:47:07,960
Speaker 35: commitment to working hard every day and you know, the

2144
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:10,280
Speaker 35: commitment to that kind of that process and they'd be

2145
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:10,719
Speaker 35: good there.

2146
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:13,360
Speaker 1: So you know, it take some time obviously.

2147
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:17,760
Speaker 15: From the game pressure, maybe tweaking ir rotations, playing in

2148
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:19,760
Speaker 15: front of a crowd. What was the most beneficial thing

2149
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:22,040
Speaker 15: about Murray State and Toledo or is.

2150
01:47:22,040 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 11: It just all of the above.

2151
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were all great.

2152
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 35: You know, as we try to figure out that way

2153
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:35,400
Speaker 35: of scheduling exhibition games. I do love playing in front

2154
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 35: of fans just because it just feels a little more stressful.

2155
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:41,400
Speaker 35: Toledo was also beneficial, but when there's nobody there, it

2156
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:44,519
Speaker 35: feels certainly more like a practice scrimmage type deal.

2157
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 1: But both of them are great.

2158
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:49,479
Speaker 35: You know, any film that we can kind of get

2159
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:52,800
Speaker 35: that's not against each other where you know, you don't

2160
01:47:52,840 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 35: prepare for those games like you would a real game,

2161
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:58,519
Speaker 35: but inevitably the other teams are going to do different

2162
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 35: things than you do and it's gonna you know, remind you, oh,

2163
01:48:02,120 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 35: we got to work on this a little bit more,

2164
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:07,599
Speaker 35: and maybe we neglected that. So both were really really good,

2165
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:08,880
Speaker 35: really beneficial.

2166
01:48:09,479 --> 01:48:10,759
Speaker 1: You know, I wish we could play.

2167
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:15,800
Speaker 35: More of them, but we're certainly better playing both of them.

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01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 36: Coaches always talk about what they saw in film that

2169
01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 36: needs to be corrected from the preseason.

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01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:22,680
Speaker 1: What'd you see that you liked from those two exhibitions.

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01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:30,280
Speaker 35: If you're talking about the Murray game, the response offensively

2172
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:33,439
Speaker 35: was terrific. You know, we went from twenty something points

2173
01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:39,000
Speaker 35: to forty four. Made an adjustment that they understood and

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01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:41,360
Speaker 35: they executed really really well.

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01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 1: Toledo game was different.

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01:48:44,280 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 35: We shot the ball very very well, but we turned

2177
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:48,080
Speaker 35: it over nineteen times.

2178
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:51,680
Speaker 1: Some of that was us, some of that was.

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01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:55,000
Speaker 35: Certainly them, but like going to be very very hard

2180
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:56,599
Speaker 35: to win any games to turn the ball over at

2181
01:48:56,600 --> 01:49:00,800
Speaker 35: that rate. But yeah, I mean, I think I think

2182
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:02,960
Speaker 35: they understand the pace of what you're trying to play.

2183
01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:05,640
Speaker 35: You know, I still think conditioning is a little bit

2184
01:49:05,680 --> 01:49:06,280
Speaker 35: of a factor.

2185
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:06,720
Speaker 1: We're trying.

2186
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:10,200
Speaker 35: We're having a poll guys, a lot more than maybe

2187
01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:11,760
Speaker 35: I had to do it in New Mexico playing the

2188
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:15,400
Speaker 35: same style. But that'll that'll come in time as well.

2189
01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:19,440
Speaker 35: But like I said, I mean, I thought both of them,

2190
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:22,719
Speaker 35: there was a lot of positives and Also, every coach

2191
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:24,240
Speaker 35: on the planet right now said we got a lot

2192
01:49:24,280 --> 01:49:29,400
Speaker 35: of work to do in other things as well.

2193
01:49:27,479 --> 01:49:30,040
Speaker 36: As we get closer to that first game. When you

2194
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:31,760
Speaker 36: get you know, the night before the game or day

2195
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:35,800
Speaker 36: of the game, do you anticipate any type of feelings,

2196
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:38,800
Speaker 36: emotions or anything like that nervousness when you switch jobs

2197
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:40,280
Speaker 36: or is it at this point for you? Is it

2198
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:41,760
Speaker 36: kind of like it's always the same when you start

2199
01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 36: the season.

2200
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:43,519
Speaker 1: No, No, it's different.

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01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:46,640
Speaker 35: Yeah, I mean it's weird when you're so accustomed to

2202
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:51,439
Speaker 35: your game day routine in a different place. You know,

2203
01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 35: it felt weird for sure walking in more so for

2204
01:49:55,479 --> 01:49:58,599
Speaker 35: the Murray game to Toledo because Toledo there's nobody around.

2205
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,479
Speaker 35: But yeah, you're figuring out your routine, where you're gonna park,

2206
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:04,880
Speaker 35: what are you gonna where you're gonna sit before the game,

2207
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:06,920
Speaker 35: you know, you're going coaches locking them, you're office whatever.

2208
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:11,800
Speaker 35: So there's little things like that for sure. But yeah,

2209
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:14,360
Speaker 35: I would say I felt in a big way versus Murray,

2210
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:16,599
Speaker 35: just kind of looking up like, oh, this isn't the pit,

2211
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:18,800
Speaker 35: this is pretty cool, this is different, all those things.

2212
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:22,160
Speaker 35: But then obviously once the ball goes up, you know,

2213
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:26,599
Speaker 35: you kind of really narrow your focus, but all good

2214
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:27,840
Speaker 35: feelings for sure.

2215
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:35,000
Speaker 15: Diving into the scouting report on Maris this week, what

2216
01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:37,360
Speaker 15: do you make of that team with some camaraderie coming

2217
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:40,160
Speaker 15: back in a team that really excelled defensively last season?

2218
01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:40,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2219
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:43,320
Speaker 35: Defense, you know, he's built it kind of from the

2220
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:45,559
Speaker 35: ground up, taking a little time. He got better every

2221
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:49,799
Speaker 35: single year. You know, we gotta we gotta value the basketball.

2222
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:53,320
Speaker 35: They kind of pack it in. They've got some key

2223
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:56,840
Speaker 35: guys back. You know, I believe they won twenty games,

2224
01:50:56,840 --> 01:50:59,040
Speaker 35: so they're gonna be feeling good about themselves.

2225
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:01,000
Speaker 10: Uh, you know, so we will.

2226
01:51:01,680 --> 01:51:02,280
Speaker 1: We'll dive in.

2227
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:04,920
Speaker 35: We're off tomorrow and we'll kind of turn the page

2228
01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:07,439
Speaker 35: and Friday, Saturday, Sunday, we'll be big on Maris.

2229
01:51:07,479 --> 01:51:10,360
Speaker 1: But very very well coached.

2230
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:15,040
Speaker 35: Uh, you know, a program that's been built the right

2231
01:51:15,080 --> 01:51:16,320
Speaker 35: way and they had a really good year.

2232
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:21,880
Speaker 1: Left here, coach.

2233
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:23,920
Speaker 36: I'm curious to listening to your podcast. I know you

2234
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:26,439
Speaker 36: mentioned after the exhibition you felt like you wanted to

2235
01:51:26,479 --> 01:51:30,240
Speaker 36: play Roddy and Isaiah a little bit. I mean I'm

2236
01:51:30,240 --> 01:51:32,200
Speaker 36: not Roddy excuse me all and Isaiah a little bit

2237
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:34,840
Speaker 36: more off the bench. Did you did you feel like

2238
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:36,840
Speaker 36: you changed the rotations a little bit more for the

2239
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:38,520
Speaker 36: uh akron.

2240
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:42,880
Speaker 35: Uh me, listen, you got to lock in. It's early

2241
01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:44,519
Speaker 35: in the season. It's a lot.

2242
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:46,599
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say.

2243
01:51:46,439 --> 01:51:54,439
Speaker 35: I I I definitely looked at different lineups the second game,

2244
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:57,640
Speaker 35: for sure. I I remember looking back going, man, I

2245
01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:00,200
Speaker 35: needed to play Isaiah more, I needed to play all more.

2246
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:03,720
Speaker 35: We got them more opportunities, which was good for them

2247
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:06,320
Speaker 35: because that's what those games are for, those exhibition games.

2248
01:52:06,360 --> 01:52:09,120
Speaker 35: So I talked to them both after the game and say, hey,

2249
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:11,519
Speaker 35: be ready, I'm gonna I'm gonna increase that went with

2250
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:16,240
Speaker 35: Yovan at the five a little bit more then maybe

2251
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:17,360
Speaker 35: what I did the first game.

2252
01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:18,040
Speaker 1: That was good.

2253
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:23,439
Speaker 35: And yeah, you're just trying to find you're trying to

2254
01:52:23,479 --> 01:52:26,600
Speaker 35: gather as much data as you possibly can of lineups.

2255
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:28,800
Speaker 35: You know, we were lucky to have a really cool

2256
01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:32,400
Speaker 35: advanced analytics kind of thing that we bought and we

2257
01:52:32,439 --> 01:52:34,400
Speaker 35: communicate with them. And one of the things I told

2258
01:52:34,439 --> 01:52:37,479
Speaker 35: them was like, it's hard after two exhibition games to

2259
01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:40,360
Speaker 35: really know such small sample size, but like, hey, as

2260
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:43,559
Speaker 35: we maybe after five six games, like what lineups because

2261
01:52:43,560 --> 01:52:47,400
Speaker 35: plus minus can be a little bit deceiving, like Trey

2262
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:50,599
Speaker 35: had a horrendous plus minus versus Toledo, and he played

2263
01:52:50,640 --> 01:52:55,160
Speaker 35: terrific so constantly tinkering with that so that we can

2264
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 35: kind of see what's working together and what's not.

2265
01:52:58,680 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 1: All right.

2266
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:01,880
Speaker 3: So that is some Richard, but from yesterday, getting you

2267
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:05,320
Speaker 3: set for the season. By the way, speaking of the season,

2268
01:53:05,479 --> 01:53:10,479
Speaker 3: ESPN did an article on fourteen games in November that

2269
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:12,759
Speaker 3: you're going to want to watch. These are games highlighted

2270
01:53:12,760 --> 01:53:17,240
Speaker 3: by Florida and Arizona, Alabama and Saint John's, Kentucky, Louisville

2271
01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:23,120
Speaker 3: BYU and Yukon. Georgia and Xavier also on that list

2272
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:28,040
Speaker 3: right after Kansas and Duke. So something to look forward

2273
01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:31,280
Speaker 3: to for Xavier fans. It is interesting and this doesn't

2274
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:37,240
Speaker 3: pertain as much to Patino in the Big East, but

2275
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:41,519
Speaker 3: it pertains to his dad at Saint John's. The question

2276
01:53:41,680 --> 01:53:44,360
Speaker 3: was asked Austin about, you know, questions in each conference.

2277
01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:47,680
Speaker 3: Is Rick Patino at Saint John's versus Dan Hurley at

2278
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:50,840
Speaker 3: Yukon the top coaching battle in the country right now?

2279
01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:51,880
Speaker 1: Uh?

2280
01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, so those are two legends going

2281
01:53:55,960 --> 01:53:57,559
Speaker 3: after it. They're gonna go after it twice a year.

2282
01:53:58,160 --> 01:53:59,960
Speaker 3: Pretty good to watch, how about this for the Big twelve,

2283
01:54:01,120 --> 01:54:03,280
Speaker 3: the race for Big twelve Player of the Year and

2284
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:06,320
Speaker 3: the number one overall draft pick. That is how deep

2285
01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:09,559
Speaker 3: the Big twelve is this year. Kansas freshman Darren Peterson

2286
01:54:10,240 --> 01:54:12,120
Speaker 3: is the number two player in the class of twenty

2287
01:54:12,160 --> 01:54:15,879
Speaker 3: twenty five, six to six guard in their exhibition against Louisville,

2288
01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:18,640
Speaker 3: had twenty four points in the first half alone. And then,

2289
01:54:18,680 --> 01:54:21,160
Speaker 3: of course, the number one recruit in the class of

2290
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:26,080
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, A J. Debansta from BYU six', nine

2291
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:29,240
Speaker 3: what he do in the exhibition Over North carolina just

2292
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:33,680
Speaker 3: a ho hum thirty. Points that is a duo right,

2293
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:36,760
Speaker 3: now projected to go one and two in the LATEST

2294
01:54:36,920 --> 01:54:41,080
Speaker 3: nba Mock, draft and two of the most talented players

2295
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:44,240
Speaker 3: in Recent big twelve. History they've also got to compete

2296
01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:45,920
Speaker 3: in The big twelve for player of The year AGAINST. J.

2297
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:49,640
Speaker 3: T toppin who's Back All american At Texas, tech AND.

2298
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:53,080
Speaker 3: Pj haggerty is back At Kansas. State so it is

2299
01:54:53,120 --> 01:54:56,600
Speaker 3: as deep and talented A big twelve that you have

2300
01:54:56,680 --> 01:55:00,360
Speaker 3: seen in recent. Memory and it all gets underway over

2301
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:03,840
Speaker 3: the next couple days when we come. BACK a phone

2302
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:06,160
Speaker 3: caller to, five, one, three, seven four, nine fifteen. Thirty

2303
01:55:06,640 --> 01:55:09,320
Speaker 3: that and Then mowagger for quick hits to finish things.

2304
01:55:09,320 --> 01:55:12,680
Speaker 3: OFF espn fifteen, Thirty Cincinnati Sports, Station thanks To Penn Station.

2305
01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:15,840
Speaker 7: Noons starting at three zero five ON espn fifteen Thirty

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01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:16,800
Speaker 7: Cincinnati Sports.

2307
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:22,480
Speaker 3: Station welcome, Back it's our three since he three, SIXTY

2308
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:27,240
Speaker 3: espn fifteen, Thirty Cincinnati Sports, Station. Austin do you know

2309
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:32,280
Speaker 3: anything About Scotty. HASTING i know he's The ruler of The.

2310
01:55:32,360 --> 01:55:33,600
Speaker 3: Jungle this week he will.

2311
01:55:33,480 --> 01:55:34,200
Speaker 1: Be The ruler of The.

2312
01:55:34,280 --> 01:55:40,440
Speaker 3: Jungle he will also be performing at the. Game Scotty

2313
01:55:40,520 --> 01:55:44,520
Speaker 3: hasting grew up In, Cincinnati Northern kentucky, area served in

2314
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:47,600
Speaker 3: The army and earned a Purple Heart wow after being

2315
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:49,640
Speaker 3: wounded In afghanistan.

2316
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:51,200
Speaker 1: Got.

2317
01:55:51,240 --> 01:55:55,600
Speaker 3: Back had gone through his struggles OF ptsd and different,

2318
01:55:55,600 --> 01:55:58,320
Speaker 3: things and he's been very open about his his journey

2319
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:00,880
Speaker 3: and his recovery and how music has kind of shaped.

2320
01:56:00,920 --> 01:56:03,720
Speaker 3: That also now he's down In, nashville he's doing great

2321
01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:06,320
Speaker 3: things with. Music he's doing great things to give back

2322
01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:09,680
Speaker 3: to share his. Story but his story is one if

2323
01:56:09,720 --> 01:56:12,480
Speaker 3: you're not familiar with, it go google The Scotty hasting

2324
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:16,320
Speaker 3: story and learn more about. This sunday's ruler of The

2325
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:20,280
Speaker 3: Jungle bengals hosting The. Bears it is the Annual salute

2326
01:56:20,280 --> 01:56:22,760
Speaker 3: To service, game which would make a lot of sense

2327
01:56:22,840 --> 01:56:26,800
Speaker 3: Considering Scottie hasting and his story and if you've never

2328
01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:30,000
Speaker 3: been to A salute To service, Game, yeah it's really really.

2329
01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:32,120
Speaker 3: Cool like obviously the you.

2330
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:34,520
Speaker 1: Know they fly the helicopters and the jets and everything,

2331
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:37,120
Speaker 1: over but they they spend a lot of the game

2332
01:56:37,200 --> 01:56:40,800
Speaker 1: honoring servicemen and, women and it's it's a really cool

2333
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:43,040
Speaker 1: thing that THE nfl does a great. Job The bengals

2334
01:56:43,080 --> 01:56:43,879
Speaker 1: do a great, job.

2335
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:46,520
Speaker 3: First class all the way from the organization and what

2336
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:49,360
Speaker 3: THE nfl does over the course of this. Weekend let's

2337
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:53,280
Speaker 3: take a phone. Call mike is calling. In Hey, Mike, hey.

2338
01:56:53,120 --> 01:56:56,560
Speaker 13: Thanks for that story About Scottie. Hasting, Kay, scottie if you're, listening,

2339
01:56:56,600 --> 01:56:59,880
Speaker 13: Brother i'm a double purple heart and you aren't a

2340
01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:02,760
Speaker 13: bit of a, cowboy And god bless you And i'm glad.

2341
01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:03,040
Speaker 10: You made it.

2342
01:57:03,080 --> 01:57:06,880
Speaker 1: Home, yeah amazing. Stuff, yeah you.

2343
01:57:06,840 --> 01:57:09,640
Speaker 13: Were talking about turgulans. Early you, Know i've been in

2344
01:57:09,680 --> 01:57:13,480
Speaker 13: so many scary situations IT'S i can't into but one

2345
01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:17,560
Speaker 13: of my buddies was a pilot In vietnam and THE

2346
01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:20,000
Speaker 13: f sixteens are out, there and he took me for

2347
01:57:20,040 --> 01:57:23,120
Speaker 13: a ride one. Day we took off From Clark Air

2348
01:57:23,160 --> 01:57:26,600
Speaker 13: Force base up in the mountains of The philippines there and,

2349
01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:29,960
Speaker 13: well actually, no that's done by sub. Day but you

2350
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:35,400
Speaker 13: talk about. Turgulins, DUDE i peed my. PANTS i KEEP

2351
01:57:35,560 --> 01:57:38,080
Speaker 13: i was so scared AND i knew dude was in

2352
01:57:38,160 --> 01:57:41,600
Speaker 13: total control of, this and we were upside. Down we were.

2353
01:57:42,280 --> 01:57:45,040
Speaker 3: OUT i don't LIKE i don't like going on roller.

2354
01:57:45,080 --> 01:57:48,160
Speaker 3: COASTERS i hate heights in. General so the thought of

2355
01:57:48,200 --> 01:57:50,240
Speaker 3: being not high in the air at, anytime it's not.

2356
01:57:50,440 --> 01:57:53,560
Speaker 3: SMOOTH I i Just i'm not in a good.

2357
01:57:53,560 --> 01:57:56,960
Speaker 14: Place and when you break the sound, barrier when you're

2358
01:57:57,000 --> 01:57:59,920
Speaker 14: out there and, there it is so. Loud, yeah you

2359
01:58:00,160 --> 01:58:02,800
Speaker 14: can't believe. It it almost hurts your. Ears it's it's not,

2360
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:05,040
Speaker 14: well it did hurt my, ears but not blow in my.

2361
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:07,280
Speaker 14: Ear it was scary, Anyway and he got off and

2362
01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:10,640
Speaker 14: he was. Smiling he goes name the Sweating, yeah, yeah,

2363
01:58:11,160 --> 01:58:12,840
Speaker 14: yeah sweating fool.

2364
01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:19,440
Speaker 13: That you were talking. About Patina patino And Hurley Patino.

2365
01:58:19,560 --> 01:58:23,320
Speaker 13: Senior still everybody forgets he's the ONLY nbaaa coach ever

2366
01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:26,920
Speaker 13: to win two rings in the same, state with two

2367
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:30,960
Speaker 13: different teams and two different. Conferences nobody's gonna talk, That no.

2368
01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:33,440
Speaker 1: One, no AND i. DO i think him And hurley

2369
01:58:33,480 --> 01:58:34,840
Speaker 1: is the best coaching matchup right.

2370
01:58:34,840 --> 01:58:37,720
Speaker 13: Now, YEAH i Think hurley's got a little ways to go

2371
01:58:37,840 --> 01:58:40,160
Speaker 13: to catch that kind of. Resard but he's coming. Up,

2372
01:58:40,240 --> 01:58:43,520
Speaker 13: yeah he's getting. There you're, Right, HEY i like the. Ramp,

2373
01:58:43,640 --> 01:58:46,640
Speaker 13: well they's The, dodgers you. Know it's it's. All it's

2374
01:58:46,680 --> 01:58:49,640
Speaker 13: not that they really Beat, smell they really didn't Beat. Show,

2375
01:58:49,720 --> 01:58:52,840
Speaker 13: hey it's just that they're Not they took the worst

2376
01:58:52,880 --> 01:58:56,520
Speaker 13: time In god's creation to go into a, massive disgusting,

2377
01:58:57,640 --> 01:58:59,800
Speaker 13: slump and then when they get into that bullpen at,

2378
01:58:59,800 --> 01:59:00,920
Speaker 13: all you don't know what you're going to.

2379
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:03,320
Speaker 3: Get SO i just made the point to. It it's

2380
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:06,400
Speaker 3: the worst case. Scenario but also it's a team that

2381
01:59:06,440 --> 01:59:08,560
Speaker 3: has built for big. Moments so if there were a

2382
01:59:08,600 --> 01:59:10,800
Speaker 3: team that could still turn this around and go win

2383
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:12,640
Speaker 3: two on the, road it would be The dodgers because

2384
01:59:12,680 --> 01:59:12,880
Speaker 3: of their.

2385
01:59:12,920 --> 01:59:14,560
Speaker 1: Makeup that's.

2386
01:59:14,600 --> 01:59:17,600
Speaker 13: True and SOMETIMES i Think magic used to say this

2387
01:59:17,920 --> 01:59:20,680
Speaker 13: when he was with The. Wakers he actually was more

2388
01:59:20,720 --> 01:59:24,080
Speaker 13: relaxed on the, road more. Relaxed, sure, well did you

2389
01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:24,760
Speaker 13: experience that?

2390
01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:26,960
Speaker 1: Toime, YEAH i always thought road games were.

2391
01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:29,920
Speaker 3: Fun like quarterback, wise it changes things a little bit

2392
01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:32,800
Speaker 3: because it affects your your cadence and your snap. Count

2393
01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:35,400
Speaker 3: but there was always something about being able to go

2394
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:38,400
Speaker 3: somewhere in quiet a crowd and be able to deliver

2395
01:59:38,440 --> 01:59:40,600
Speaker 3: in that sense that that did make things more.

2396
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:44,959
Speaker 13: Rewarding, yeah so just a hush comes over this stadium

2397
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:47,440
Speaker 13: and you're, thinking we're doing our job big, time, right

2398
01:59:47,680 --> 01:59:48,080
Speaker 13: without a.

2399
01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:49,720
Speaker 10: Doubt, yeah that's.

2400
01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:54,200
Speaker 13: Cool, okay here's my tradition on The Super Bowl rams

2401
01:59:54,280 --> 01:59:58,800
Speaker 13: cheats And i'm basing that in two mid season sets

2402
01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:02,840
Speaker 13: there are two and three on defense and they're ten

2403
02:00:02,880 --> 02:00:06,480
Speaker 13: and seven on. Offense, yep and that seems like a

2404
02:00:06,520 --> 02:00:09,400
Speaker 13: pretty good. Formula what do you?

2405
02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:13,120
Speaker 3: Think, YEAH i the way The rams are. Playing you

2406
02:00:13,160 --> 02:00:16,600
Speaker 3: Know stafford coming off there his last game and he's

2407
02:00:16,640 --> 02:00:19,000
Speaker 3: finding his. RHYTHM i think he's finally back to normal

2408
02:00:19,040 --> 02:00:21,880
Speaker 3: since missing most of training. Camp and we've set it

2409
02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:23,400
Speaker 3: with The chiefs all. Along you could see it a

2410
02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:26,120
Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago where you, wondered are The chiefs

2411
02:00:26,160 --> 02:00:29,000
Speaker 3: reeling a little? Bit now they're, Healthy now they're playing

2412
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:31,440
Speaker 3: better than anyone in THE. Afc austin mentioned it, earlier

2413
02:00:31,720 --> 02:00:34,160
Speaker 3: never going to go against The chiefs because of their

2414
02:00:34,200 --> 02:00:37,680
Speaker 3: reign With Andy reid And mahomes and everyone. Else so

2415
02:00:38,040 --> 02:00:40,000
Speaker 3: right now they have to be the front. RUNNER i

2416
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:42,000
Speaker 3: think THE nfc is a little bit more open and

2417
02:00:42,040 --> 02:00:44,360
Speaker 3: a little bit more. Balanced BUT i don't think The

2418
02:00:44,440 --> 02:00:45,400
Speaker 3: rams are a bad pick at.

2419
02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:48,760
Speaker 13: All, YEAH i hope, SO i hope they make. Good thanks,

2420
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:50,000
Speaker 13: guys have.

2421
02:00:49,960 --> 02:00:56,080
Speaker 3: A good, One thank you. Too all, Right moeger is standing.

2422
02:00:56,120 --> 02:00:58,840
Speaker 3: By we've Got Quick hits next on The home of The,

2423
02:00:58,840 --> 02:01:01,680
Speaker 3: BENGALS espn fifteen Thirty Cincinnati Sports station.

2424
02:01:02,240 --> 02:01:07,520
Speaker 33: Three sixty continues ON espn fifteen, Thirty cincinnati's sports. Station

2425
02:01:08,600 --> 02:01:12,640
Speaker 33: it's time For cincy three Sixty Quick hits ON espn fifteen.

2426
02:01:12,720 --> 02:01:14,760
Speaker 1: Thirty is looking For mo most. Here he's ready to.

2427
02:01:14,760 --> 02:01:16,880
Speaker 3: Go it's his final show of the week and then

2428
02:01:16,920 --> 02:01:20,000
Speaker 3: he's gonna get ready to take off For utah of

2429
02:01:20,080 --> 02:01:22,360
Speaker 3: the week of the. Week what do you got coming

2430
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:23,640
Speaker 3: up on your show? Today, mo let's start.

2431
02:01:23,640 --> 02:01:26,760
Speaker 7: There we are going to talk With Courtney cronin FROM.

2432
02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:30,480
Speaker 7: Espn she covers The Bears Go Courtney Courtney, Cronin pride

2433
02:01:30,480 --> 02:01:32,880
Speaker 7: Of Indiana, University come into the. Show we've had her on.

2434
02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:35,480
Speaker 7: Before she does a very good. Job Richard patina will

2435
02:01:35,480 --> 02:01:39,160
Speaker 7: be on the. Show coach of The, Musketeers Chad, Brendel

2436
02:01:39,520 --> 02:01:43,600
Speaker 7: Jake ZIVIN Mls Season, Pass APPLE, Tv Robert, Wintrop Dan,

2437
02:01:43,720 --> 02:01:47,600
Speaker 7: Klaskins Jay. Morrison we're done early. Today, WOW uk basketball

2438
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:52,640
Speaker 7: at five. Thirty katz. V hoya's exhibition. Tilt that's a

2439
02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:54,480
Speaker 7: big chip off at SEVEN. Pm that's a big. One

2440
02:01:54,520 --> 02:01:55,600
Speaker 7: it's not it's an exhibition.

2441
02:01:55,680 --> 02:01:56,440
Speaker 1: Tilt you're.

2442
02:01:56,480 --> 02:01:59,080
Speaker 3: Right we don't put any stake in exhibition so that

2443
02:01:59,200 --> 02:01:59,640
Speaker 3: games don't.

2444
02:01:59,680 --> 02:02:00,200
Speaker 1: Count you're.

2445
02:02:00,280 --> 02:02:04,080
Speaker 3: Right World Series game five last. Night, yes mentioned off

2446
02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:06,400
Speaker 3: air here those Pesky Blue jays without even a top

2447
02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:07,640
Speaker 3: four payroll In Major League.

2448
02:02:07,680 --> 02:02:12,120
Speaker 7: Baseball, plucky Upstart Blue just a rap of. Guys you,

2449
02:02:12,120 --> 02:02:14,560
Speaker 7: know you just get the sense those, dudes they don't

2450
02:02:14,600 --> 02:02:17,160
Speaker 7: even deposit their. Checks they play for free and a.

2451
02:02:17,200 --> 02:02:20,680
Speaker 7: Sandlot those just they just no a bunch of. Guys

2452
02:02:20,680 --> 02:02:23,920
Speaker 7: nobody else would who would Won Vladimir. Guerrero, yeah just

2453
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:26,440
Speaker 7: a whole bunch of. Guys and just what they're doing

2454
02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:30,120
Speaker 7: to The. Dodgers, Uh it's it's a real fun. Story,

2455
02:02:30,240 --> 02:02:31,800
Speaker 7: yeah it's easy to follow.

2456
02:02:31,840 --> 02:02:32,240
Speaker 1: Along with.

2457
02:02:34,080 --> 02:02:37,200
Speaker 3: Uh do you Think Mike DeWine should be involved in coaching?

2458
02:02:37,200 --> 02:02:38,800
Speaker 1: Searches? No like The louisiana.

2459
02:02:38,920 --> 02:02:41,640
Speaker 7: Governor, No BUT i also don't blame anybody who doesn't

2460
02:02:41,680 --> 02:02:46,200
Speaker 7: want the clown athletic director uh making the higher AT.

2461
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:48,800
Speaker 7: LSU i guess WHAT i would wonder is, LIKE i

2462
02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:51,640
Speaker 7: don't know anything about the state Of. Louisiana are things

2463
02:02:51,720 --> 02:02:53,920
Speaker 7: so cool there that the governor can devote all this

2464
02:02:54,040 --> 02:02:55,040
Speaker 7: time to the football?

2465
02:02:55,080 --> 02:02:56,520
Speaker 3: Coach, well not only, that he said he'd get the

2466
02:02:56,520 --> 02:02:58,360
Speaker 3: president to help make the. Pick do we want? THAT

2467
02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:00,640
Speaker 3: i don't think, so do? We does the resident care

2468
02:03:00,640 --> 02:03:04,000
Speaker 3: ABOUT lsu football? Now austin AND i did mention, earlier

2469
02:03:04,040 --> 02:03:06,960
Speaker 3: he did mention in This i'm tired of rewarding failure

2470
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:09,200
Speaker 3: in this country and then leaving the taxpayers to foot the.

2471
02:03:09,200 --> 02:03:10,160
Speaker 1: Bill not.

2472
02:03:10,200 --> 02:03:14,360
Speaker 7: INCORRECT i don't something. THERE i know there's a little something.

2473
02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:15,720
Speaker 7: THERE i just don't watch the job.

2474
02:03:15,600 --> 02:03:19,640
Speaker 1: Of the ad if he's not to hire the next coach.

2475
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:24,040
Speaker 7: Raise money to pay for. Cuyouts, Right here's WHAT i

2476
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:26,840
Speaker 7: was talking about this with somebody at lunch. Today Brian,

2477
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:29,720
Speaker 7: kelly nobody likes right now your former.

2478
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:30,840
Speaker 1: Coach not a lot.

2479
02:03:30,680 --> 02:03:33,800
Speaker 3: Of like resounding player stories coming out the back Coach, Kelly, now.

2480
02:03:33,800 --> 02:03:36,640
Speaker 7: Which network will he work for next year in an

2481
02:03:36,680 --> 02:03:40,120
Speaker 7: effort to repair his? Reputation kind of do The belichick? Right,

2482
02:03:40,160 --> 02:03:42,680
Speaker 7: yeah like because because he is good at, That he's

2483
02:03:42,720 --> 02:03:46,040
Speaker 7: good at, talking. Studying he did the draft FOR Nfl

2484
02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:47,920
Speaker 7: network for a couple of years and he's really. GOOD

2485
02:03:48,720 --> 02:03:50,440
Speaker 7: i think he's going to be on A tv set

2486
02:03:50,480 --> 02:03:54,720
Speaker 7: next year with with the goal of using the media

2487
02:03:54,800 --> 02:03:57,200
Speaker 7: to repair and rehabilitate his his.

2488
02:03:57,240 --> 02:04:00,680
Speaker 3: Reputation what's your initial reaction to hear the statistic that

2489
02:04:01,160 --> 02:04:04,040
Speaker 3: out of two hundred and twelve combined rush attempts From Shamar,

2490
02:04:04,080 --> 02:04:07,000
Speaker 3: Stewart Miles, murphy they have combined for zero quarterback. Hits

2491
02:04:09,560 --> 02:04:12,520
Speaker 3: those were players that you took in the draft to

2492
02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:14,840
Speaker 3: replace at the, Time Sam hubbard and Eventually Trey.

2493
02:04:14,840 --> 02:04:16,960
Speaker 1: HENDRICKSON oh for two hundred and. Twelve sounds Like matt,

2494
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:18,520
Speaker 1: McClain oh for two.

2495
02:04:18,680 --> 02:04:22,120
Speaker 3: Twelve it's almost a stat that's as unbelievable As Jamar

2496
02:04:22,160 --> 02:04:24,240
Speaker 3: chase having five more tackles on the year Than Shamar

2497
02:04:24,240 --> 02:04:27,080
Speaker 3: stewart with Withs.

2498
02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:29,280
Speaker 1: Tobin i'm, Sorry Fluke tobin with.

2499
02:04:31,640 --> 02:04:37,480
Speaker 7: Twenty ONE Withfs Shamar stewart And Shamar. Stewart you give

2500
02:04:37,480 --> 02:04:39,960
Speaker 7: a slide pass To Miles murphy by now is supposed

2501
02:04:39,960 --> 02:04:43,280
Speaker 7: to be an impact. Player, yeah the THE i mean

2502
02:04:44,240 --> 02:04:46,200
Speaker 7: it's it's kind of beating a dead horse at this,

2503
02:04:46,240 --> 02:04:48,520
Speaker 7: point the number of draft choices they have used on

2504
02:04:48,560 --> 02:04:49,760
Speaker 7: defense that.

2505
02:04:49,800 --> 02:04:52,440
Speaker 1: Simply have not worked. OUT i do wonder if moving

2506
02:04:52,480 --> 02:04:53,360
Speaker 1: forward there will be.

2507
02:04:53,320 --> 02:04:58,320
Speaker 7: A philosophical shift away from traits and more toward leaning on.

2508
02:04:58,400 --> 02:04:58,800
Speaker 1: Production.

2509
02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:01,240
Speaker 7: Right, YEAH i don't know if the answer is going

2510
02:05:01,240 --> 02:05:03,640
Speaker 7: to be yes or, No but you're being fair if

2511
02:05:03,680 --> 02:05:05,560
Speaker 7: you look At Shamar stewart and, go what we saw this?

2512
02:05:05,640 --> 02:05:08,240
Speaker 7: Coming because he didn't have any, Sacks but there's ways

2513
02:05:08,280 --> 02:05:10,760
Speaker 7: to affect the, game and there's ways to affect the

2514
02:05:10,800 --> 02:05:14,600
Speaker 7: other team's offense without sacking the. Quarterback Shamar, stewart along

2515
02:05:14,600 --> 02:05:16,120
Speaker 7: with a lot of other, guys doesn't do any of.

2516
02:05:16,120 --> 02:05:21,160
Speaker 3: That, yeah speaking of seismic, shifts the line to the

2517
02:05:21,280 --> 02:05:24,680
Speaker 3: Uc utah. Game now just want to win the. Game

2518
02:05:25,160 --> 02:05:27,520
Speaker 3: but it's jumped to a point Where i've had to

2519
02:05:27,600 --> 02:05:31,800
Speaker 3: like second guess my closeness to the. University LIKE i

2520
02:05:31,840 --> 02:05:34,600
Speaker 3: feel like we're pretty in tune with what's going on

2521
02:05:35,200 --> 02:05:36,960
Speaker 3: in the locker, Room LIKE i don't think there Are,

2522
02:05:38,200 --> 02:05:39,880
Speaker 3: LIKE i don't think there's a sickness going through the.

2523
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:41,480
Speaker 1: TEAM i don't Think Evan pryor's.

2524
02:05:41,560 --> 02:05:46,200
Speaker 3: Good, yes Like austin mentioned, Earlier Evan, pryor if he's

2525
02:05:46,240 --> 02:05:48,040
Speaker 3: worth four, points then he should be in The, heisman.

2526
02:05:47,760 --> 02:05:49,760
Speaker 1: Ringing the ball ten times a. Game, yeah and he's

2527
02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:51,640
Speaker 1: a very good, player but he cares about ten. Times

2528
02:05:51,760 --> 02:05:55,240
Speaker 1: it's just it's odd to see a jump this. Big.

2529
02:05:55,400 --> 02:05:58,960
Speaker 3: NOW i Get utah's wearing hand painted, HELMETS i get

2530
02:05:58,960 --> 02:06:02,640
Speaker 3: it to night, GAME i get game days. There But

2531
02:06:02,760 --> 02:06:05,880
Speaker 3: keen And nickoson brought up a point, today if there's

2532
02:06:05,960 --> 02:06:08,880
Speaker 3: one positive to come out of The nebraska, game that

2533
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:11,400
Speaker 3: environment Against nebraska is going to be more raucous than

2534
02:06:11,400 --> 02:06:12,200
Speaker 3: what they'll See saturday.

2535
02:06:12,280 --> 02:06:16,880
Speaker 7: Night so this is my take on. It if they

2536
02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:20,280
Speaker 7: went On, saturday then what they did In Kansas city is,

2537
02:06:20,280 --> 02:06:24,400
Speaker 7: well take it four point five million. Dollars but, okay

2538
02:06:24,480 --> 02:06:27,480
Speaker 7: there has to be a. Payoff the. Payoff it's like we,

2539
02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:30,280
Speaker 7: said it's not apples to. APPLES i thought The bengals

2540
02:06:30,280 --> 02:06:32,120
Speaker 7: beat The, steelers which was a game On thursday. NIGHT

2541
02:06:32,160 --> 02:06:34,400
Speaker 7: i thought they won that game the Previous sunday Playing Jeff.

2542
02:06:34,360 --> 02:06:37,880
Speaker 7: Flacco they planted the. Seeds so if it's we're going TO,

2543
02:06:38,080 --> 02:06:40,520
Speaker 7: kc we're gonna lose the first game of the season

2544
02:06:40,600 --> 02:06:44,920
Speaker 7: to a not no name opponent that you, know it's

2545
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:46,400
Speaker 7: not the way it used to. Be you can lose

2546
02:06:46,440 --> 02:06:48,400
Speaker 7: games now and still make the. Playoff all that really

2547
02:06:48,400 --> 02:06:52,400
Speaker 7: matters is conference. Play if if the payoff from playing

2548
02:06:52,440 --> 02:06:55,680
Speaker 7: in that atmosphere is you're better equipped to Handle, saturday

2549
02:06:55,800 --> 02:06:59,480
Speaker 7: then it was totally worth. It BUT i guess WHAT

2550
02:06:59,560 --> 02:07:02,440
Speaker 7: i wonder two. Things Number, One utah is very good

2551
02:07:02,480 --> 02:07:06,280
Speaker 7: at getting after the. Quarterback UC's offensive line has been,

2552
02:07:06,360 --> 02:07:10,480
Speaker 7: unbelievable which wins out. Right and Then utah is great

2553
02:07:10,520 --> 02:07:13,360
Speaker 7: at running the. Ball if they take the lead, early

2554
02:07:14,600 --> 02:07:19,480
Speaker 7: do you Make cincinnati's balanced offense one? Dimensional and does

2555
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:23,760
Speaker 7: it suddenly become a game where you're counting Possessions because

2556
02:07:23,800 --> 02:07:25,720
Speaker 7: we've seen him in games The bearcats have won this,

2557
02:07:25,800 --> 02:07:28,400
Speaker 7: year the other team's able to possess the. Football utah

2558
02:07:28,640 --> 02:07:30,640
Speaker 7: is great on the. Ground if there's a weakness to

2559
02:07:30,680 --> 02:07:32,480
Speaker 7: the three three, five it's against the. Run we'll see

2560
02:07:32,520 --> 02:07:35,160
Speaker 7: how much any chance gets adjusted the.

2561
02:07:35,200 --> 02:07:38,320
Speaker 3: Opponent doesn't it have to, it HASS i would think

2562
02:07:38,360 --> 02:07:40,760
Speaker 3: so don't you have to get Like i'm proud going,

2563
02:07:40,800 --> 02:07:44,520
Speaker 3: in but if you get through like two, series switch it.

2564
02:07:44,600 --> 02:07:48,040
Speaker 7: UP i don't think either of the two quarterbacks are

2565
02:07:48,680 --> 02:07:50,680
Speaker 7: the kind of players that you, go we can't adjust

2566
02:07:50,680 --> 02:07:53,600
Speaker 7: our defense because those guys will kill. US i think

2567
02:07:53,640 --> 02:07:55,760
Speaker 7: you have to, say screw. It we're gonna do what

2568
02:07:55,800 --> 02:07:58,640
Speaker 7: we can to take away your strength or at least limit.

2569
02:07:58,680 --> 02:08:00,960
Speaker 7: IT i don't know how you you don't put another

2570
02:08:00,960 --> 02:08:03,920
Speaker 7: guy in the, box especially on the downs Where corleone doesn't.

2571
02:08:03,960 --> 02:08:06,480
Speaker 7: Play now it is A this game scares, me BUT

2572
02:08:06,760 --> 02:08:10,800
Speaker 7: i to me The bearcats because they don't turn the ball,

2573
02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:13,520
Speaker 7: over and because they're so good on special, teams they're

2574
02:08:13,600 --> 02:08:17,920
Speaker 7: really hard to blow. Out, yeah So i'm comfortable taking

2575
02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:20,839
Speaker 7: the ten and a half. Points but this game scares

2576
02:08:20,880 --> 02:08:22,360
Speaker 7: me because of what you talk can do on the.

2577
02:08:22,360 --> 02:08:24,880
Speaker 7: GROUND i said that to you Late saturday. Night, Yeah,

2578
02:08:25,080 --> 02:08:26,920
Speaker 7: texan we were texting each. OTHER i, go The utah

2579
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:29,800
Speaker 7: might run for a thousand. Yards that scares me as

2580
02:08:29,840 --> 02:08:32,240
Speaker 7: it relates specifically to winning the.

2581
02:08:32,280 --> 02:08:34,520
Speaker 3: Game now we head to The mountain time zone tomorrow

2582
02:08:34,720 --> 02:08:37,440
Speaker 3: we Do you're gonna get to see your, MOM i.

2583
02:08:37,480 --> 02:08:42,320
Speaker 3: Am at what point tomorrow do you foresee talking yourself

2584
02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:46,640
Speaker 3: into just an outright statement win for The. Bearcats are

2585
02:08:46,680 --> 02:08:47,080
Speaker 3: you already?

2586
02:08:47,080 --> 02:08:51,080
Speaker 7: There, well, no It's Salt Lake, city so that's a

2587
02:08:51,120 --> 02:08:51,920
Speaker 7: little bit of a tough.

2588
02:08:51,960 --> 02:08:54,160
Speaker 1: Putt Salt Lake city is different Than. Provo you AND

2589
02:08:54,160 --> 02:08:54,560
Speaker 1: i have been To.

2590
02:08:54,640 --> 02:08:57,520
Speaker 7: Provo, yeah Salt Lake city is Salt Lake city is

2591
02:08:57,520 --> 02:08:58,160
Speaker 7: a beautiful.

2592
02:08:58,200 --> 02:09:03,160
Speaker 1: City it's a. Difference. Uh the laws In provo are very.

2593
02:09:03,200 --> 02:09:05,960
Speaker 7: Stringent the laws In Salt Lake city the rest of

2594
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:09,120
Speaker 7: the state are, different but a lot more. LAX i

2595
02:09:09,160 --> 02:09:11,680
Speaker 7: Gotch we arrive at our hotel at five forty.

2596
02:09:11,680 --> 02:09:14,080
Speaker 1: Five, yep my mom has already told.

2597
02:09:13,840 --> 02:09:16,720
Speaker 7: Me she will be, waiting waiting with her boyfriend in

2598
02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:18,920
Speaker 7: the hotel, bar getting a jump.

2599
02:09:18,920 --> 02:09:21,280
Speaker 1: Start, okay so there's gonna be some playing catch. Up.

2600
02:09:21,960 --> 02:09:24,720
Speaker 7: NOW i don't know what you're gonna be. Doing you're

2601
02:09:24,760 --> 02:09:26,600
Speaker 7: welcome to go to dinner with. Us i'm guessing we're

2602
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:28,680
Speaker 7: gonna put mom to bed at some, point, okay and

2603
02:09:28,680 --> 02:09:30,720
Speaker 7: then hopefully With i'm not going to game.

2604
02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:33,720
Speaker 1: Day i've been, there done. That at six, Am we're

2605
02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:36,080
Speaker 1: going to see where we can go In. Utah i'm

2606
02:09:36,120 --> 02:09:40,200
Speaker 1: gonna guess midnight, mountain, Okay, oh midnight mountain.

2607
02:09:40,240 --> 02:09:42,160
Speaker 7: MARKET i think it's GONNA i think it's gonna require

2608
02:09:42,200 --> 02:09:43,760
Speaker 7: us like midnight two am.

2609
02:09:43,840 --> 02:09:46,760
Speaker 3: Here, yeah, well we call. ANYBODY i think our Guy

2610
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:49,240
Speaker 3: austin should get a. Call Call austin at two O'clock.

2611
02:09:49,280 --> 02:09:51,040
Speaker 3: East he's gonna get a call about. That and he's

2612
02:09:51,040 --> 02:09:53,200
Speaker 3: also gonna he's also gonna call out maybe what The

2613
02:09:53,240 --> 02:09:55,520
Speaker 3: knicks do to The bulls tomorrow, Night Nick, boles that's right,

2614
02:09:55,600 --> 02:09:57,640
Speaker 3: next looking for their first road WIN Nba cup.

2615
02:09:57,680 --> 02:10:01,280
Speaker 7: Time do feel free to call. ME i have mixed

2616
02:10:01,280 --> 02:10:06,280
Speaker 7: feelings about The. Knicks, really, yeah this. Feelings, defensively there's

2617
02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:08,880
Speaker 7: been a bit of a. Disaster, well good. Thing they

2618
02:10:08,880 --> 02:10:11,200
Speaker 7: got rid of a defensive. Coach they don't need a defensive.

2619
02:10:11,200 --> 02:10:13,240
Speaker 7: Coach they're playing a lot of, guys WHICH i, like you,

2620
02:10:13,280 --> 02:10:15,200
Speaker 7: know they're they're. Not, hey we're gonna play seven dudes

2621
02:10:15,240 --> 02:10:19,040
Speaker 7: and try to win this game In. October but it's it's.

2622
02:10:19,080 --> 02:10:22,040
Speaker 7: Not the first half against The Boston celtics was beautiful.

2623
02:10:22,080 --> 02:10:24,200
Speaker 7: Basketball everything else has been a little bit of a,

2624
02:10:24,240 --> 02:10:26,600
Speaker 7: slog especially on the defensive.

2625
02:10:26,680 --> 02:10:29,600
Speaker 1: End So Midnight Mountain, time all, right midnight in The.

2626
02:10:29,640 --> 02:10:30,200
Speaker 1: Mountains That's.

2627
02:10:30,280 --> 02:10:34,880
Speaker 3: Malagger he's next in fifteen Thirty cincinnati sports.

2628
02:10:34,880 --> 02:10:38,000
Speaker 1: Station, Man i'll see on the plane, tomorrow you. Will,

2629
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:41,080
Speaker 1: okay that's.

2630
02:10:41,120 --> 02:10:41,560
Speaker 7: It that's the.

2631
02:10:41,560 --> 02:10:45,280
Speaker 1: Time. Everybody, Hey, Ma vigger is, Next mo's. Next THE

2632
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Speaker 1: sbn fifteen.

2633
02:10:46,120 --> 02:11:33,080
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2634
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