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Speaker 1: one up right now is about gender ideology, but also

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Speaker 1: it's an article of faith that many times you're better

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Speaker 1: and that Jay Green is my guest, Jay, can you

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Speaker 3: The quality of the doctor is what matters, not the

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Speaker 1: So politics have now invaded the medical examining room that somehow,

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Speaker 1: continuing to practice racism. On a different related issue, One

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Speaker 4: Well, they should should be concerned about this because it

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Speaker 2: That can lead to sterilization and other serious health.

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Speaker 2: And it's not even always a solution.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we got to run do no harm. And

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Speaker 1: Jay Green, you're the director of research. Every now and

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Speaker 1: should not be ideology and medical offices. It should be

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Speaker 1: much money involved on these DEI programs. They're going to

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Speaker 1: Do No Harm is a great website. Jay Green, once again,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Jay, You're

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Speaker 1: a great American. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: God bless you. Let's continue with more puberty blockers. Doctor

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Speaker 1: If you don't agree, the state will take your kid away.

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Speaker 1: Is that where we're headed, That's where we are right now.

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