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Speaker 1: I love my life. That's says I lost my life.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in bit a minute.

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Speaker 3: It is the Cake Show edition of to Bumper guards

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Speaker 3: Ian for Dan the next couple of days.

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Speaker 2: Dan, we'll be back on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: We were here until six fifteen tonight because we've got

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Speaker 3: Vikings programming to get in and then the Minnesota while

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Speaker 3: back in action against the Washington Capitals Game two of

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Speaker 3: the Quinn Hughes Era tonight at Grand Casino Arena. To

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Speaker 3: help us with that, my buddy Kevin Gorg is going

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Speaker 3: to join right around four thirty. He's on the guest

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Speaker 3: lineup today. Mace in your Face will join at five o'clock.

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Speaker 3: He needed to switch from Wednesday to Tuesday. Works out

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Speaker 3: well for me. There's a ton of stuff I want

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Speaker 3: to get into with Mace. He was in studio last

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Speaker 3: week when the Sharon Moore Michigan meltdown happened and first broke,

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Speaker 3: so I know there was some instant reaction from Mace there.

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Speaker 3: Now there's a lot more to the story and the

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Speaker 3: story after the story, who replaces Sharon Moore at Michigan.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot to get into there, and I'm looking

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Speaker 3: forward as a guy who's been through a coaching search

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Speaker 3: or two when he was the coach. What's going on

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Speaker 3: right now in places like Arizona State. What's going on

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Speaker 3: right now in Alabama or Washington or Dinky Town in

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Speaker 3: terms of jostling for the next Michigan head coaching job.

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Speaker 3: Mace at five o'clock and Kevin Seaffert, because it's Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: he will join right around three point thirty. And we

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Speaker 3: believe mister Seffert from ESPN is coming in studio. Devin

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Speaker 3: we'll check in right around four. The Brad Shawn Brian

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Speaker 3: Kampean text line, as always is six four six eight six.

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Speaker 3: You can text anything and anything at any time. Also

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Speaker 3: hit me at Guardzi. On social media, Twitter's good, Instagram's good.

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Speaker 2: It's all there for you.

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Speaker 3: Want to start, though, with a little bit of breaking

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Speaker 3: news or speculation, at least a development in the Twins

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Speaker 3: ownership story. Aaron Gleaman tweeted it out he had some

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Speaker 3: work to do with Dan Hayes, his partner at the

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Speaker 3: Athletic today, we're finally getting a little bit more information

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Speaker 3: about the minority owners the ones we've been waiting for

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Speaker 3: since the day that we learned the pole Ad family

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Speaker 3: was taking the team off the market. These mysterious minority

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Speaker 3: owners apparently are surfacing and they're apparently close to that

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Speaker 3: partial sale that in a big sense, will give the

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Speaker 3: It's described as quote a significant manner in terms of

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Speaker 3: cleaning up the club's finances and could set the stage

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Speaker 3: foreshadow to that a more lucrative sale in the future.

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Speaker 2: The Nuts and Bolts as we know them.

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Speaker 3: They're selling twenty percent of the franchise to three different

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Speaker 3: minority partnerships groups. The one point seventy five billion is

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Speaker 3: the valuation. You may recall that I think it was

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Speaker 3: the Tampa Bay Rays that sold for one five The

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Speaker 3: Twins I think could have sold for one to five.

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Speaker 3: They thought they were worth a little bit more than that,

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Speaker 3: it appears that these three minority partnership groups are going

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Speaker 3: the transaction that helps a club five hundred million dollars

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Speaker 3: That according to league sources telling The Athletic, basically, it

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Speaker 3: and it makes sense why, and that's outlined in the story.

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Speaker 3: So that's how it all started. But we know why

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Speaker 2: Times, we know it's not good baseball.

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Speaker 3: They haven't had very good teams the last couple of years,

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Speaker 3: And we're apparently involved in this thing as it was

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Speaker 3: at all different avenues now to improve the ball club,

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Speaker 3: and we're looking for fresh ideas. There's another pole ad

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Speaker 3: who's coming in with Joe. I think it's his older

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Speaker 2: And that all sounds.

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Speaker 3: Good and it reads Rosie, and it probably is good

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Speaker 3: in the grand scheme of things, that the team is

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Speaker 3: they're not five hundred million dollars in debt anymore. But

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Speaker 3: And I was texting around today just different people that

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Speaker 3: does the story you read today does that leave you more.

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Speaker 2: Cynical about what's going to happen with the twins?

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Speaker 3: Or does it leave you more optimistic in the short

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Speaker 3: Ads got their start as bankers. If you want to

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Speaker 3: We're getting back on secure financial footing and we're staying there.

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Speaker 3: That's what they're going to try to do here, which

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Speaker 3: Right now, they're not interested in selling shelling out a

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Speaker 3: We're going to get through a labor deal that I

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Speaker 3: And that's my biggest fear, and I'm pretty sure that's

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Speaker 3: biggest fear too, is that we're getting the cash infusion

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Speaker 3: But once we do that, we're not going to be reckless.

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Speaker 3: We're not going to be aggressive. We're not going to

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Speaker 3: We're going to be remarkably fiscally responsible. The other word

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Speaker 3: kind of seen how that story goes. Doesn't mean that

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Speaker 3: and they've got to be right on about nine other things.

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Speaker 3: When you're not willing to invest the financial resources and

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Speaker 3: big chances, you really have to be right. You've got

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Speaker 3: on your value contracts. You've got to hope that aging

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Speaker 3: part of that. And that's where I think it's scary

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Speaker 3: if you're a Twins fan, because once more bankers get involved,

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Speaker 3: It feels like they're going to hold the asset, keep

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Speaker 3: Wild pregame show with Kevin Fallness coming up at six

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Speaker 3: forty five. When we come back, though the future of

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Speaker 3: not appear to be Anthony Edwards. I'll explain when we

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Speaker 4: Yeah, welcome back to the Fancake Show edition of to

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Speaker 4: Bumber Guardsian for Barrero Today, the Tuesday regulars, Kevin Seffert

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Speaker 3: Glenn Mason, a Wednesday regular, will be coming in on

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Speaker 3: a Tuesday. Luigi lu Nani's going to join on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: I pure progression to my way from pretzel to nachos.

435
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 2: Well there most of that.

436
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 5: You were probably the oldest person that came up to

437
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 5: the concession stand over the course of that two hours,

438
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 5: so we were dealing with a lot of kids that

439
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 5: were likely candidates to spill stuff or not make it

440
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 5: out of there without some sort of incident. So I

441
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 5: didn't notice it was you who had done it.

442
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 3: No, and well, when I asked you for napkins, that

443
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 3: was why I thought I was one of the kids.

444
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 2: No, that was for me.

445
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 3: It was for the adult. There's just immediate and the cheese.

446
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 3: You know nothing better.

447
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: Did we give you more cheese to replace it or no?

448
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: I didn't want to ask plenty. Well, you were laboring

449
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 2: back there.

450
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 3: I didn't want to have to come back to me

451
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 3: if you were laboring for the long line.

452
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 2: I didn't want to have to make an incident out

453
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 2: But it.

454
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 5: Would have been bad if we had run out of

455
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 5: cheese because you needed a replacement.

456
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 2: Exactly.

457
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 3: I feel like I made the mess myself. I shouldn't

458
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 3: bother you with it. But thank you for the service.

459
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 2: It was great.

460
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you offered her fresh popcorn, said we got a

461
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 3: fresh batch.

462
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 2: Come up.

463
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 3: I actually wanted to just get the hell out of

464
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 3: there and get back to the game, but she wanted

465
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 3: the fresh popcorn.

466
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: We took care of it. Appreciate it. All right.

467
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 3: If you have questions for Seafert, Bradshawn, Brian Campe in

468
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 3: texta line is six four six eight six, you can

469
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 3: tweet me at guardsy as well. He'll be hanging out

470
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 3: for a while. Kevin Gorg about an hour from now.

471
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 3: What has clicked? I call him the young quarterback because

472
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 3: that's what Kevin O'Connell calls him, the young quarterbacks. Not

473
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 3: just a quarterback, He's the young quarterback. JJ McCarthy. Two games,

474
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 3: pretty good performances back to back. What has been the

475
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: difference a couple of things we had.

476
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 5: I think it's only fair to acknowledge the external bit

477
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 5: of it, which is, I would not say Washington's defense

478
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 5: nor the Cowboys defense have been ranked amongst the top

479
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 5: schemes in the in the in the NFL. And so

480
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 5: if we're gonna if we're gonna know, as we should

481
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 5: have that he played some of his worst games against

482
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 5: really good defenses like the Packers and the Falcons earlier

483
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,479
Speaker 5: this year, then we should acknowledge that when he plays

484
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 5: well against a bad defense, that that's part of the circumstances.

485
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 5: But I do think there's something you know he he

486
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 5: whether it was Kevin O'Connell saying a couple of weeks ago, like,

487
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 5: let's just drop this whole mechanics conversation, thank god, at

488
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 5: least publicly. I think the public part of it, you know,

489
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 5: had an impact. I remember asking, uh JJ McCarthy, you know,

490
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 5: to what extent has this whole conversation, uh, you know

491
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 5: held you, not held you back, but impacted you. And

492
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 5: he said something along the lines of, you know, you're

493
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 5: not going to change your swing on the twelfth on

494
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 5: the twelfth hole of golf course. And so I took

495
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 5: that to mean like it's like, just got to get

496
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 5: through it, and then after the round is over, then

497
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 5: you then you figure out what you need to change

498
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 5: in terms of your swing, or you go to the

499
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 5: driving range. And so I think there has there clearly

500
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 5: seems to have been an effect. And Kevin O'Connell calls

501
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 5: it the quieted mind. But he seems to be playing

502
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 5: like he just doesn't look like he's as frenetic as

503
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 5: he was. He seems to have a lot, just a

504
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 5: lot more fluidity to the basic parts of playing football

505
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 5: at that position, the drop back, the you know, surveying

506
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 5: the field, the actual physical execution of the throw, it

507
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 5: just doesn't look as frenetic. And some of it is

508
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 5: that he hasn't you know, that he's gotten great pass

509
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 5: protection slash, he hasn't faced you know, a ton of pressure.

510
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 5: But even when he wasn't facing pressure in earlier games,

511
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 5: he was creating it for himself in some cases.

512
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: And so there's there's all those things.

513
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 5: And there's also like the idea that the first six

514
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 5: starts of your career are probably not going to be

515
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 5: the best six starts, and that nobody was surprised.

516
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 2: I don't.

517
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 5: I would have been surprised if you told him them

518
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 5: before the season that the young quarterback would struggle, because

519
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 5: young quarterbacks often do. The concern was the degree to

520
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 5: which he was struggling, and that it was relatively historic

521
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 5: in this in this era in terms of people in

522
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 5: their first six starts, and even if he made a

523
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 5: big jump, like would that jump be from historically bad

524
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 5: to you know, still below average? And so he's been

525
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 5: he's made a bigger jump in terms of performance than

526
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 5: just that, and so that has I think reassured at

527
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 5: least some people that this isn't gonna be like the

528
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 5: all time bust of busts, Right, this isn't the JaMarcus

529
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 5: Russell situation that they're dealing with. But and so I

530
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 5: think that's those are some of the things I you know,

531
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 5: I don't. I still think that they work on mechanics

532
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 5: and they work on technique, but just the the public,

533
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 5: I think the public focus on it being removed, you know,

534
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 5: I think has had some level of effect on on

535
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 5: JJ's ability to just kind of, you know, run through

536
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 5: the offense. People have talked about it being you know, simplified,

537
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 5: and and you know, they stripped down a bunch of stuff,

538
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 5: and they had it is, but they had done that

539
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 5: prior to the cessation of Yeah, like there was they

540
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 5: had pulled some stuff out, and they were when they

541
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 5: had a leader, were tied running the ball more than.

542
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 2: They usually do.

543
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 5: And so some of the things that people are picking

544
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 5: up on now, I think we're underway prior to the

545
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 5: start of this. But in a nutshell, I'd say, in

546
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 5: an extended nutshell, I'd say, that's what's happened.

547
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 2: When did when did they start stripping it down?

548
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 5: Oh, I think it started prior to the concussion, you know.

549
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 5: I mean, the Green Bay game plan was run, run, run, run, run, run, run,

550
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 5: and then.

551
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: That's still three weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, that's not very

552
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: long ago.

553
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 5: No, but but where but that was before he started,

554
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 5: you know, playing better, you know, and so uh, it's

555
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 5: not I don't think that they got to the Washington

556
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 5: game and suddenly and the and their game plan for

557
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 5: that game was dramatic different than what it was in

558
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 5: Green Bay. They had a different opponent, and they had

559
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 5: you know, he had he had a different offensive line

560
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 5: as well that Ryan Kelly was back, and so he

561
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 5: was playing with all five of his offensive linemen and

562
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 5: so a combination of things there. But I but you know,

563
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 5: there there's no doubt that if you were to compare

564
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 5: the offense to what they're trying to do now, and

565
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 5: you know in the heyday of Sam Darnold downfield or

566
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins downfield, it doesn't necessarily compare. But I do

567
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 5: think that those those changes were underway before the statistical

568
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 5: improvement that McCarthy has shown.

569
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: I know, nobody wants to go back to the international trips,

570
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 3: you in particular, and O'Connell for sure.

571
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled that I was. I went, I'm just glad

572
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: I'm home.

573
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and everybody was. It was grading on everybody. It's

574
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: is what it sounded like at the end. You've talked

575
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: about that with Dan. But to go back to the

576
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 3: rhetoric part of it, I remember listening to that when

577
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 3: they when he when koc was talking about what JJ

578
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: McCarthy was doing on the practice field. I remember going,

579
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: does that make any sense to anybody like that? We're

580
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: really focusing on like he's got he's about to go

581
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,479
Speaker 3: play and you can't be thinking about all these things

582
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: base balanced body posture, feet and eyes the analogy. JJ's right,

583
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 3: But I guess I'm wondering why did they think they

584
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: could do.

585
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: It that way?

586
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: Because that the conversation we're having now, the way I've

587
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 3: said it is, I wish we were having this conversation

588
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: when it was seventy five degrees in sunny, not just

589
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: because it's cold in Minnesota now, but it means it's

590
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: like August or September and there's still a season to

591
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: potentially build upon.

592
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I don't think you know, you said

593
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 5: it was during the International Games that he started you

594
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 5: started noticing and picking up on him talking about it.

595
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 5: That's not when they started focusing on it though, Like

596
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 5: it had been a focus. Yeah, you know, the whole

597
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 5: offseason and maybe even going back to before his knee

598
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 5: injury last summer into the spring through training camp, and

599
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 5: I think there was probably some you know, acknowledgment slash

600
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 5: frustration slash apps avation that it hadn't really stuck.

601
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: And so.

602
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 5: I don't know if they anticipated it would be as

603
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 5: difficult of a of a job as it turned out

604
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 5: to be. Like people are like think that you can't

605
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 5: change a guy's mechanics, Well, it happens pretty frequently on

606
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 5: some level. Like you've seen guys like like go, look

607
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 5: at the way Aaron Rodgers threw the ball at Cal

608
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 5: and watch how he throws it now, like maybe that

609
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 5: was part him. Maybe that was Mike McCarthy when he

610
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 5: first got there, but he like his his throwing motion

611
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 5: for example. I don't and this is not even what

612
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 5: we're talking about with JJ in terms of his mechanics.

613
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 5: But but it's not uncommon for at the NFL level

614
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 5: for people to change mechanics J.

615
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so.

616
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 5: And sometimes it's as simple as some teams like when

617
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 5: you're in shotgun to have one foot in front of

618
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 5: the other. Some say, you know, it's put your left

619
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 5: foot up in your right foot back. Some want it

620
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 5: to be balanced. Tom Brady as talked about these things.

621
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 5: So it's sometimes it's something as small as that, and

622
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 5: sometimes it's as big as you know, the position that

623
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 5: your shoulders are in, or the you know, the other

624
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 5: those other things. And I think what they were identifying

625
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 5: was that some some throws were not being executed primarily

626
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 5: because these combination of mechanics were causing it. And so

627
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 5: it was early enough in the season to not just

628
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 5: give up on it. I don't know if they anticipated

629
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 5: it would not really stick, and so the public part

630
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 5: of it probably was, you know, you could you could

631
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 5: maybe conjecture that this was to put them on blast

632
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 5: and basically say, I think I've talked to Dan about

633
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 5: this and say, like, you know, it's not working. You've

634
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 5: seen coaches do this before, and I don't know if

635
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 5: Kevin O'Connell had, but you know it's not working privately,

636
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 5: so let's see if we can raise the ante and

637
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 5: make sure he understands how important this is. You know,

638
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 5: it could be you know, there's there's lots of different

639
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 5: like explanations swirling through the NFL why this would come up.

640
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 5: I think it was just Kevin O'Connell answered, answering the

641
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 5: questions and you know, going into a fair bit of

642
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 5: detail because that's this whole world is a quarterback then.

643
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: And you guys pulled it the thread surgically.

644
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, And you guys we always play you know, we

645
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 5: play a role and they play a role. And it

646
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 5: became a conversation the same way that the pure progression

647
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 5: stuff became a conversation last week. And I actually liked

648
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 5: that conversation and I want more of those conversations to

649
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 5: over the It's yeah, it's yeah. It just feels more

650
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 5: substantive and more relevant than you know them. I for

651
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 5: the shot that you took it as earlier today, yeah,

652
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 5: or that who's going to be the m v P

653
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 5: or like you know, which which coach is going to

654
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 5: be the first one fired?

655
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: You know, like there's and that's there's not.

656
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 5: It's not to say those conversations don't also have a

657
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 5: place in this world, but I personally like that, and

658
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 5: so I you know why they thought that they could

659
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 5: change his mechanics in the middle of the season.

660
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: I think it was.

661
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 5: Just the continuing a process that began behind the scenes

662
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 5: without a lot of public discussion long before that.

663
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 3: How hard in miles per hour does he throw some

664
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 3: of these passes? Do we have that analytic because there

665
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: are some there's some high heat being out there, especially

666
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 3: when he's feeling it, which I actually think is good.

667
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 3: Like he's got to dial it back obviously, but I

668
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 3: like when he's confident and he's zipping it around.

669
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a time and a place for that, Like

670
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 5: ideally that would manifest, like when he's confident and excited

671
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 5: and competitive, that manifests, and just the quick the quickness

672
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 5: of getting rid of the ball and the decisiveness and

673
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 5: so there's just there's just some times when you know, mean,

674
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 5: Justin Jefferson is a great receiver.

675
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 2: TJ.

676
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 5: Hockinson has great hands. Yeah, Jordan Addison over the years

677
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 5: has had pretty darn good hands. And so when you

678
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 5: see them not catch a pass like you can go

679
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 5: and one in two directions, is it because they lost

680
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 5: concentration or they're not their hands aren't as good anymore,

681
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 5: or they suddenly forgot how to you know, the fundamentals

682
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 5: of catching a ball, or even though it hit their hands,

683
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 5: was there something about the timing of it?

684
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: Was it thrown before.

685
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 5: They had a chance to adjust or is it coming

686
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 5: in too hot? You know, that doesn't mean that they

687
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 5: still shouldn't catch it at this level, but you have

688
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 5: to ask yourself, why are these passes? Why are people

689
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 5: who don't normally drop passes dropping passes or being unable

690
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 5: to come up with them? And you know, I think

691
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 5: some of that is is just the speed that he

692
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 5: throws the ball at all.

693
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: Right, so you were in the room.

694
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: How legit is the schism between KOC and JJ about.

695
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 5: The gritty I don't know legitimately, Like I think that O'Connell,

696
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 5: you know, and Wes Phillips kind of clarified it today, like,

697
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 5: you know, they're young coaches and their hip in a

698
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 5: lot of ways. But but but they're still coaches, and

699
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 5: so you don't have to even have experienced a moment

700
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 5: where a guy spikes the ball before he crosses the

701
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 5: goal line, or he's involved in some kind of a

702
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 5: averate you know, uh taunt that event even doesn't wipe

703
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 5: the score off but causes a penalty, or they slow

704
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 5: down and somebody who runs a four to one forty

705
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 5: catches up and tackles them before they get to the

706
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 5: end zone, and they end up with a field goal,

707
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 5: so you don't have to experience one of those what

708
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 5: seems like an outlier but lives on for all in

709
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 5: all time and all the blooper lists and videos that

710
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 5: are out there to feel very strongly that start the

711
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 5: celebration after you cross the end zone. So I don't

712
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 5: think that, like you know, I don't. I don't think

713
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 5: it's a schis him. I thought the whole the most

714
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 5: interesting because I thought was very predictable response from O'Connell

715
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 5: and from West Phillips.

716
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: The whole.

717
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 5: The most more interesting part of it, frankly was that

718
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 5: JJ kind of, you know, I asked kind of what

719
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 5: I thought was a throwaway question about you plan that

720
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 5: you know, you know when you're gritty and this and that,

721
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 5: and he basically said, like they told he did it

722
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 5: in practice, they told him not to do it, but

723
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 5: because of who the kind of person he is, that

724
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 5: made him more enticed and he did it anyway, and

725
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 5: I'll get a minus. And like I I mean, that

726
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 5: was we love honest answers. We want people to not

727
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 5: you know, go into cliches, and we certainly don't want

728
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 5: people to to answer in ways that aren't truthful. It

729
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 5: was just a surprising thing to reveal that I went

730
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 5: against what my coach has told me. And you wondered, like,

731
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 5: what you know, is he just being a goofball and

732
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 5: because he's a goofball and saying that, or was there

733
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 5: like a message being sent.

734
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: I don't.

735
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 5: I'm not aware of any like big thing between them,

736
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 5: but it was. It was definitely jarring for him to

737
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 5: say that. I mean, it's not his first game, and

738
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 5: it's not his first postgame interview. Like he he You

739
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 5: could say he's young, and you could say he's inexperience,

740
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 5: but when you're the quarterback at Michigan, you're you're in

741
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 5: public a lot, and so I don't think that he

742
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 5: has any misunderstanding of what it means when you say

743
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 5: things in public. And so it was just surprising. And again,

744
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 5: like I as you know, just a human being. I

745
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 5: prefer people being honest and and giving their true answers

746
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 5: and and not feeling like they have to be guarded

747
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 5: about everything they say. It was just an unusually direct response.

748
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: I liked how Koc said, I want to see that

749
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: forty time he tells us about That's like a good

750
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: gentle like ko scolding.

751
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

752
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, the second time, he's kind of said because the

753
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: nine stuff irked him, it seemed like as well, right, yeah.

754
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 5: He said, uh and he and and that was on

755
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 5: the last Tuesday with PAP on their YouTube slash VN

756
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 5: slash kfan collaboration a lot of platforms, Yes, there are,

757
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 5: and and he you know, he left them kind of

758
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 5: left himself, you know, open. And so if that's really,

759
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 5: if the nine thing really is who you are, then

760
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 5: embrace it. But if it's not, and you're just kind

761
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 5: of creating a character, basically, let's let's let's hold off

762
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 5: on that. So I didn't take that, so it didn't

763
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 5: qualify it really as a direct shot, and neither did

764
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 5: the forty thing. And and that felt like a reference

765
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 5: to like an insect, almost like an insight joke between

766
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 5: them that we were not privileged to.

767
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, and.

768
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 5: When a season is like this, a lot of us

769
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 5: can sit there and try to pick apart every word

770
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 5: and every exchange and wonder if it's what it means

771
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 5: and what it doesn't mean. And they're still getting to

772
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 5: know each other and still getting to know what their

773
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 5: relationship can be and will be. But there's there's more

774
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 5: than just a few sort of breadcrumbs there that suggest

775
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 5: that this that the on field struggles have not the

776
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 5: struggles have not been limited to on field, and that

777
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 5: there's still a lot a lot to be built behind

778
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 5: the scenes as well. This is not recency bias for

779
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 5: my question.

780
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 3: Because I've been a big I still can't call them

781
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: speedy because I don't have a good vibe with them.

782
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call hm Jalen Nailer.

783
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: Sure they can call him speedy with the two touchdowns

784
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 3: from this last Sunday's game against the Cowboys. But part

785
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 3: of the reason why Adam Thielen is in Pittsburgh right

786
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 3: now playing with Aaron Rodgers is because Jalen Naylor, I think,

787
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 3: has emerged as a legit wide receiver.

788
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: He's a free agent at the end of the year.

789
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: I heard gustling with Pa and Nordo today talking about

790
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: that and that someone's probably going to come in and

791
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: pay this guy. I'm wondering, is there a world, speaking

792
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 3: of schisms and things that have happened on and off

793
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 3: the field, where they say we like Jalen Naylor more

794
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: than Jordan.

795
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 5: Addison long term, you're reading my mind. I'm going to

796
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 5: potentially write about that potentially. I love it, And so

797
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 5: you have to tune in.

798
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: No, I think you do one of those short videos

799
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: so I don't have to read it all forty.

800
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 5: Five seconds as much a video as much better than

801
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 5: a six hundred and fifty lad story in the day

802
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 5: of this day and age.

803
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: But I think it's a legit conversation.

804
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 5: It's a conversation, you know, and you could and there's

805
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 5: a lot of tentacles to it because I think if

806
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,479
Speaker 5: you took if you only did on field, I think

807
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 5: you won't find too many people who would pick Jalen

808
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 5: Naylor over Jordan Addison.

809
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: I would probably agree if we're just talking.

810
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 5: I mean, and it's not an in all to Jalen,

811
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 5: like Jordan's is really said this from the moment he

812
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 5: got here, like there's another level to him. Yes, still

813
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 5: really hasn't totally been unlocked.

814
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 3: But and that's probably why Naylor's getting opportunities, right because

815
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: you've got Justin, You've got Jordan. Yeah, yeah, so Naylor

816
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: is you know, a lot's come in his way probably

817
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: because of that.

818
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: I'm not immune to.

819
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 5: That, yeah yeah, And so and then you get to

820
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 5: the off field and you say, has the off field

821
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 5: for Jordan Addison been troubling or has it just been weird?

822
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 5: And like, frankly, how do you decide and what's and

823
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 5: does it matter? And if there's a difference, does it matter?

824
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 5: Because ultimately, what you're worried about is players not being

825
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 5: available to you because of the NFL policies when you

826
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 5: run into off field trouble.

827
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: And so.

828
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 5: I have never ever since that the Vikings were truly

829
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 5: concerned about Jordan Addison off the field in ways that

830
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 5: would make them alter the way that they think about

831
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 5: his future. Okay, but his off the field issues maybe

832
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 5: would make them a little less hesitant to you know,

833
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 5: on a financial level, like how much do you commit

834
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 5: and how much do you wait?

835
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 2: They could, they could.

836
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 5: I mean, he's eligible for contract extension after the season.

837
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 5: I thought, so this is year three, So the first

838
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 5: year you can get a deal is after you're done

839
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 5: with your third year, and so he could get one

840
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 5: now and you might be able to get a deal,

841
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 5: some level of a deal, you know, compared to what

842
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 5: Jalen Naylor might get when he's a total free agent

843
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 5: on the open market, or you might just wait and

844
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 5: just pay him, you know, pick up his fifty year

845
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 5: option if you want to, and for the next two

846
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 5: years just kind of pay him year to year and

847
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 5: then decide after that, and it might cost you more.

848
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 5: You might your caution might be rewarded in that situation,

849
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 5: But I I have not sense that there's a really

850
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 5: deep argument in terms of what direction they should go in.

851
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 5: It's kind of a bummer because they've not drafted really well.

852
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 5: You're the guy, and like he's the one of them,

853
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 5: one of the people, like I mean of that twenty

854
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 5: twenty two draft, especially who like has been a hit,

855
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 5: you know, and they hit on him that to get

856
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 5: to be in a position where your third receiver and

857
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 5: had the quarterback situation been more reliable this year, his

858
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 5: numbers will be much much better. I mean, not that

859
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 5: I'm all twenty two guy, but you don't have to

860
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 5: be an all twenty two guy to look at plays

861
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 5: from the bigger angle and see how often he's open,

862
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 5: frankly and so, but to have that be a six

863
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 5: round pick is you know, impressive, and that they should

864
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 5: be lauded for that as much as we rip them

865
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 5: for all the picks that haven't worked out. And so

866
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 5: it's it's a good conversation. It's a smart conversation. I

867
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 5: don't think the answer is like one hundred percent to

868
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 5: zero percent. But I don't think that. I don't sense

869
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 5: that the Vikings have viewed Jordan Addison off the field

870
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 5: issues as being serious enough to fundamentally change the fact

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Speaker 5: that he was their first round pick, and he's been

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Speaker 5: and he's really good and and could continue to pair

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Speaker 5: with at least for the next two years.

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Speaker 2: With Justin, I.

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Speaker 3: Would be very nervous. I'd be very when you miss

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Speaker 3: a walk through in London. From what I'm told, it was,

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Speaker 3: you know, kind of a hard place to get lost in.

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Speaker 5: I mean you have to work to you have to

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Speaker 5: work to get away from the team, Yes, because there

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Speaker 5: was nothing around it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes me a little bit nervous. But while

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Speaker 3: I look forward to reading that story, I'm glad that

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Speaker 3: we're on the same page. That makes me feel better

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Speaker 3: that I'm not just thinking about weird things off the top.

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Speaker 2: Of my head. No, completely legitcase. He's had a great season.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you think about the fourth down catch he

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Speaker 3: had against Detroit, Right, he's obviously at some touchdown he's

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Speaker 3: doesn't drop.

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Speaker 2: Going back to last year, when Jordan Adison was hurt,

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Speaker 2: he was really good.

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Speaker 3: I think he's been a really nice find and like

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Speaker 3: we've seen before, you know, sometimes those are the guys

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Speaker 3: that you lose and you have to be okay with it.

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Speaker 3: You can't keep everybody, but that'd be a tough one

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Speaker 3: to lose, because I think he's been really good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just getting going with Seafert if you have questions

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Speaker 2: for him.

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Speaker 3: Six four six eight six A is the Brat Shawn

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Speaker 3: Brian Kfe and text line Jonathan Gernard koc announced is

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Speaker 3: out for the year with his injury. They're going to

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Speaker 3: clean all of that up and he's going to be

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Speaker 3: shut down for the remaining three games, which means it's

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Speaker 3: time for an extended look at Dallas Turner. We'll get

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Speaker 3: Seaffert's thoughts on that and much more when we continue