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Speaker 1: Would any Steeler make the Pro Bowl? Maybe Cam Heyward

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Speaker 1: Any team could win it, but not the Steelers. The

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Speaker 1: Twitter at Mark Madden x. Paul Skeens will get the

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Speaker 1: he said, the Pirates want to spend more in free agency.

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Speaker 1: Robert Murray, another baseball guy, he said basically the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Here's another kill shot from Matt Williamson on Twitter. The Steelers'

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Speaker 1: the Steelers picked up a Sante Samuel Junior gonna go

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Speaker 2: Because I gotta be honest, I might stick him right

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Speaker 1: Given the the just despicable nature of their defensive backfield

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, throw him out there. It's gotta be worth

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Speaker 3: And sure, the Steelers beat the Colts and Patriots, that's

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Speaker 2: That's the media. Now.

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Speaker 1: People make stuff up, they really do. You know where

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Speaker 1: Tom I mentioned that I saw Robert Plant and Paul

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Speaker 3: This has putting me on the spot because there really

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Speaker 2: Your music sucks like your air of music blows us.

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Speaker 3: It's still a lot of my favorite music comes from

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Speaker 2: Of rock and roll. I mean it's really just three

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Speaker 3: You got your wrap, your pop, and then your country

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Speaker 1: why would he leave Pittsburgh when it offers him job

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00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: security that no coach has anywhere else, and that he

436
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 1: certainly could not get anywhere else.

437
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 3: No question, he wouldn't go to New York and then

438
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 3: get you know, twenty years of carte blanche and be

439
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 3: able to do whatever he wants and the owners there

440
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 3: would just tolerate it. That only stays with him as

441
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 3: long as he stays as the Pittsburgh head coach. It's

442
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 3: probably the most secure job in sports, right, yes, Burgs

443
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 3: Steelers head coach, even beyond just you know, Mike Tomlin

444
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 3: and how he's never fired at that.

445
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 2: You know, it's weird.

446
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: Like Tomlin obviously had a very good first let's say

447
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: quarter of his resume, right, sure, let's say the entire

448
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: resume was like the last three quarters, which is to say,

449
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: not very good. He still wouldn't get fired. The Steelers

450
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: just don't fire the coach.

451
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 3: I tend to believe you on that man, It would

452
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 3: have been a really cool experiment to see if it

453
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 3: would have gone this long, and it would have acted

454
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 3: like the last three quarters of his resume to see

455
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 3: how far they'd push it. I think there is a

456
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 3: healthy fear when it comes to making that next hire,

457
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 3: too right. You don't want to be the Rooney that

458
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: goes and hires the coach that doesn't win the Super Bowl,

459
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 3: that doesn't go to the Hall of Fame, because right

460
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 3: now it's three for three as far as your family

461
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 3: is concerned.

462
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 2: I think that.

463
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 3: Fuels the security of keeping him up.

464
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 1: I mean, it does in their minds, but it's no

465
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 1: less stupid just to say I believe the Steelers have

466
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: become a really bad organization. They've kept his coach around

467
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: too long. Their offensive approach is Neanderthal. They go for

468
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: rock fights, they go against the grain to no great success.

469
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can do that and succeed, and FORBD a

470
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: time they did. But I keep going back to Colin Kyle,

471
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: who said years ago that Tomlin is a defensive coach

472
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: in an offensive era and it's just not working.

473
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: And it really isn't working.

474
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,959
Speaker 1: And people always say, well, if the Steelers got rid

475
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: of Tomlin, didn't have another job in fifteen minutes A.

476
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: I'm not totally sure about that anymore. And B would

477
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: it be a good job. The Giants aren't a good job.

478
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 2: They're not.

479
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a horrible franchise. You don't think so

480
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: it's a good logo, terrible, I mean good brand.

481
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 2: Good quarterback. Too young quarterback, there's some young a. We'll

482
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: see about that. I think he's pretty good.

483
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: We'll see about that. I mean he's probably I mean,

484
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 1: what's his ceiling?

485
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 2: Pretty good.

486
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin ain't the guy to get him to that ceiling.

487
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 3: I'm almost certain of that. Mike, Mike Thomas got to

488
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 3: ruin him more likely that's the case, then get him

489
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 3: to where he could go. You need an offensive guy

490
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 3: with someone like that.

491
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: A little while ago, I talked about how Mike Tomlin's

492
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: ruined Broderick Jones, and then Broderick Jones being so bad

493
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: left tackle is on his lack of development.

494
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: You agree with that, Yeah, I think it's a big

495
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:55,239
Speaker 2: part of it.

496
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 3: I can't just excuse Broderick Jones completely though, I mean,

497
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 3: your first round talent, so, I mean, you know, make

498
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 3: a living in the end.

499
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: No, but I also feel like he's a rookie left.

500
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 2: Tackle because year.

501
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to do that for Dan Moore exactly, to

502
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: keep Dan Moore Junior in a frigging lineup. It's like

503
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: thing about Mike Tomlin is Okay, I'm trying to have

504
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: a good way to word this. He's really effing dumb.

505
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: He makes some decisions that you're like, I mean, why

506
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: do he do that? Why would anybody do that? Like this,

507
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: this Dan Moore thing, it's unbelievable to this day, and

508
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 1: not enough people called him out on it, not not

509
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: even now after the fact.

510
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 3: The Dan Moore thing was that rare decision that you

511
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 3: see made in real time that you know is a

512
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 3: bad decision, like present time. As it's being made, You're like, well,

513
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 3: that's stupid. Why would you do that? And then it

514
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 3: played out exactly like everybody thought it would, is that

515
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 3: it was a dumb idea, and Dan Moore sucks. And

516
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 3: now he's in Tennessee sucking even worse than he did

517
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:47,479
Speaker 3: as a Seamon.

518
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 2: Even in his absence. He's killing the Steelers because he

519
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 2: set Jones back.

520
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 1: Like if Jones was a third year left tackle, if

521
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: you got right in that left tackle and still was

522
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: this bad, I'd say, okay, it's on him.

523
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 2: But that's not the way it transpired.

524
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: I just don't get how somebody gets to go to

525
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: the coaching staff and say I don't play right tackle,

526
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 3: I only play left tackle.

527
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: Even I'm not sure Dan Moore did than an arrogance.

528
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: I think he probably spoke out of I don't know,

529
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: maybe desperation, maybe because he knew Tom was a mark

530
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: for vetro.

531
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, then how does he's not very much a

532
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: veteran either when he said that he was only second

533
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 3: or third year said that, and I'll, I mean, like, okay,

534
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 3: who cares?

535
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: You know what that ties into with the Steelers in

536
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: in general and Tom into particular. Better the devil. They

537
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: know they prefer stability to success, and who cares?

538
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 3: If it didn't come from a place of arrogance, you

539
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 3: just tell Dan Moore, well, you better learn to play

540
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 3: right tackle and get comfortable over there. Else your NFL career,

541
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 3: your career as a Steeler is gonna be done because

542
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: we've got a left tackle that we traded up for

543
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 3: and he's starting at left tackle this year. They tried

544
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 3: to make the rookie figure it out instead of the

545
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 3: bum Dan Moore.

546
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: See, Tom was just a crap coach. He's just a moron.

547
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't.

548
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 2: I can't.

549
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: And the reason I'm stressing it maybe too strongly, is

550
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: because nobody else stresses it strongly at all. I mean,

551
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: look at what he inherited, Ben, and since then he's

552
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: mangled quarterback, the most important job a coach and an

553
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: organization can have. Him and the Steelers have mangled quarterback.

554
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: And the window that he had to win with the

555
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 3: Killer Bees he fell short. And a lot of times

556
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 3: that was a deficient defense. He didn't come close to

557
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 3: maximize from a defensive coach. You know, he couldn't elevate

558
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: that defensive side of the ball. I'd let the team

559
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 3: down a lot during that Killer Bee era.

560
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: Well, he's bad at building.

561
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: There's just so much that the guy sucks at like

562
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: and he's nowhere near a Hall of Fame coach. If

563
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: you looked at resume objectively, he's nowhere near a Hall

564
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: of Fame coach. And I'll say it again.

565
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid to say this.

566
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: I've said it constantly recently, and I think people know

567
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: it's true. People don't like to blast him and point

568
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: out that he's not a Hall of Fame coach and

569
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: point out how bad the last seventy five eighty percent

570
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: of his resume has been because no one wants to

571
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: bash the preeminent black coach in football. That's just fact.

572
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 3: You can't ignore that factor. You're right about that. His

573
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 3: resume doesn't warrant the automatic Hall of Fame bid. You

574
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: know what I mean, it doesn't warrant like that. Everybody

575
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 3: kind of just like goes, oh, of course he's a

576
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer, like it's just a given.

577
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: Now.

578
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: There should be serious debate about it, but there's not.

579
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: It's just get him in. He'll be first ballot. I mean, Mark,

580
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: Mike Shanahan is still not in the Hall of Fame.

581
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 2: That man won multiple Super Bowls and had revolutionized the

582
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 2: offensive game.

583
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: No, I have no idea.

584
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: It was like being in a rock revolutionized like but

585
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: almost all the offenses right now are because of Mike Shanahan,

586
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 3: including the one his freaking sun runs in San Francisco.

587
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I Mike, Mike contempt. You know what, you

588
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: know what is? You know what my contempt for Tomlin is?

589
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: Even I've done by Mike contempt for those who won't

590
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: tell it like it is with Tomlin.

591
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: Well, and that's just the case with the Steelers in general. Too,

592
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 3: and like that the myth that is still alive when

593
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 3: it comes to the Steelers, all the.

594
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,239
Speaker 1: Steeler media stooges, the local yocals. You know what they

595
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: all say whenever they know what they're doing, they know

596
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: what they're doing. And with Tom One never never had

597
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: a losing season. He knows what he's doing.

598
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: That's been a track record that says that in a

599
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: long time.

600
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: Do you think the citizens are finally tired of you know,

601
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: the no losing seasons crap and not doing anything in

602
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: the playoffs and every season, like one thing that I've

603
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: pointed out that's come to pass this season is exactly

604
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: like the last how many That's why I thinks or

605
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: seven exactly like.

606
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: It feels the same.

607
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: You brought in Aaron Rodgers, all these different veterans, and

608
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: it feels exactly the same. And by the way, what

609
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: a horrible mistake that TJ. Watt contract is.

610
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: Yes, that's why I think it is wearing thin with

611
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: the fan base now is because it's year six seven

612
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 3: of the same exact thing over and it's almost just

613
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: hitting them into submission over the head, right, like they

614
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 3: have to be tired of it or else you're just

615
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 3: a super mark.

616
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: We get a great sound bite later Kyle Brandt from

617
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: the UH from Good Morning Football talking about the Steelers

618
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: path to nine and eight.

619
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: But let me ask you this, we're gonna play it later.

620
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: Does nine and eight make the playoffs? I don't know

621
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: about that. I don't know if that's going to get

622
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: you the seventh wild card. This nine and eight doesn't

623
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: win the division. No, no chance.

624
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: They're in a favorable spot tiebreaker wise, except they finally

625
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: got a bad blow in that department with the Chargers

626
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: beating them. But they have a good AFC record right now.

627
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 3: Ten and seven for sure gets you In nine and eight,

628
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: you're flirting with disaster.

629
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: Not unlike Molly Hatchett.

630
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: One oh five nine the X one O five nine

631
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: d X your shot at X drug Cash.

632
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, here we go.

633
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: Gush thirteen times a day, nine am through nine pm.

634
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: The X will give you the keyword at the top

635
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: of every hour.

636
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: Enter it at wxdx dot com and you could win

637
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars in nonconsecutive unmarked bills. I don't know

638
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: he's hear.

639
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: That in detective shows.

640
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: Listen all day for your chance. It's some extra cash.

641
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: Unless you've got something better to do on one oh five.

642
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: Nine the X from the one oh five nine the

643
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: X we tom uh I was told this is no

644
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: not November, and I asked somebody what that means, and

645
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: it was an embarrassing conversation because I thought it had

646
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: something to do with Cashews not eating.

647
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: And anyway, what are we offer the trifecta? For today's trifecta? Mark?

648
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: Oh, you have a Skeens trifector. I've got three good

649
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: skiing stats. Since tonight is the night that he will

650
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 3: win Sai Young, what if he doesn't it would be shocking, Right,

651
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 3: He's an overwhelming favor.

652
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: Who else could get it? Who would be the second joint?

653
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 3: Christopher Sanchez and I think Yamamoto are on the ballot.

654
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: Too, the you vote before the playoffs.

655
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: Yes, so it's not gonna be Yamamoto because of his

656
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 3: amazing postseason performance.

657
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no way he can't get it. Okay, So

658
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: what do you got? All right?

659
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: Number three for me? This is the lowest single season

660
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: ERA by a Pirates starter in the live ball era.

661
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: Paul Skeins posted a one point ninety seven ERA. He

662
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: bested Bob Veal's two point oh five in nineteen sixty eight.

663
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 3: Also in nineteen sixty eight, and now in third place

664
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: on that list is Bob or excuse me, Steve Blast

665
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: with a two point one two era.

666
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: They were mowing them down in sixty eight, weren't they.

667
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: Well, that was the year that pitching was so dominant

668
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: sixty eight that they lowered demand the next year. Oh okay,

669
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: like like Danny McClain won thirty one games for Detroit

670
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: and Bob Gibson had a one point one to two era.

671
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 3: Well, funny you mentioned wins there, because these next two

672
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: have to do with Skins and his wins Paul Skins.

673
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: By the way, Bob Veale hit on my mother. Really, yes,

674
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: in that year when he posted the best of the

675
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: RA in Pirates history.

676
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: Probably seventy or seventy one since the RA become an

677
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: official stat in nineteen thirteen. Skeens is the only MLB

678
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: pitcher to finish with two hundred plus strikeouts in a

679
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: sub TOWO era.

680
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: But not have a winning record. Well, I mean, he

681
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: plays for the Pirates, sucks so badly and in that

682
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: vein the number one fact.

683
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: Do you think he told he tells his teammates he

684
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: wants to play for the Yankees.

685
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's specifically the Yankees. Oh wait, yeah,

686
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: we said that before.

687
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 3: But I think he does tell them that he does

688
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 3: not like the way that this organization is run. I

689
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: think he tells people that, you know, to their face,

690
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 3: maybe in that organization.

691
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: Sometimes, I don't know. I don't know. He's so collected.

692
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's what makes it hard to believe.

693
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: I can't see him giving a demeanor he projects publicly,

694
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: even saying that to his teammates.

695
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 3: I think he flips like the Phil Hartman Ronald Reagan

696
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 3: skit in SNL when the kids would leave the room

697
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 3: and Skeen slips the switch and he just starts screaming

698
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: all the front office in his teammates, all right, Number

699
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: one for me though.

700
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: Ten wins, he's gonna win the cy Young.

701
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: That ties Jacob deGrom for fewest wins as a starting

702
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 3: pitcher to also get the Cy Young. That is also

703
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: the first starting pitcher to win the cy Young without

704
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: a winning record at five hundred or lower.

705
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: The trifecta brought to us spite Danny's pettern hogies Pittsburgh's

706
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 1: original of him make Togy since nineteen sixty that's Danny's

707
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: on Route eighty eight and Bethel Park.

708
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: I think Skeens is gonna want out.

709
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: I keep him next year at minimum wage, but I

710
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: think when things go bad for the Powers, it don't

711
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: spend money again. I think if Skeens is ever gonna

712
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: get mouthed, it's gonna be this year when they suck

713
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: again and don't spend money again despite talking about money.

714
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: And by the way, if for some reason what Ken

715
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: Rosenthal reported is true and the Pirates not only intend

716
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: to spend more money but follow through on it, I

717
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: think that'll be because of the pressure to try and

718
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: keep Skeins through arbitration anyway without him asking out.

719
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: So you think Skins will make some noise this year

720
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 3: towards the trade deadline if things are going south, if

721
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: the team sucks and they should clearly be sellers.

722
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: I can't say that he will, because he never has.

723
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: But I can tell you that I would. I would

724
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: have by now.

725
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: My only thing is I wonder if he would just

726
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: wait until the entire season comes to pass, and then

727
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: when he gets into that first arbitration offseason, that's when

728
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 3: he's like even if you guys pick up this arbitration thing,

729
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be a pain in the ass for the

730
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 3: entire season.

731
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't think that's in his nature. Yeah,

732
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 2: I think you're probably right. He's like a good soldier, right, literally,

733
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: a good soldier. He went to Air Force. I don't

734
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: know what's going to happen.

735
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: I mean I don't because he he really is kind

736
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: of a blank canvas, like we don't know a lot

737
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: about him except as a cheap skate with that charity thing.

738
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 2: We only give a thousand bucks.

739
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: But I don't have a feel like but if I

740
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: were him, I would have wanted out.

741
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 2: I would have said so by now.

742
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: Uh.

743
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: And I think that they'll trade him once he gets

744
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: to arbitration.

745
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: So maybe he doesn't have to say anything. Maybe next

746
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: year's his last year here no matter what.

747
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 3: And he knows that he does put forth the persona

748
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 3: that he really cares about winning, like that winning is

749
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: really important to him.

750
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: He wants to be on a winner.

751
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 3: He wants to pitch in October and deep into the

752
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: postseason and have those big moments. And I'm not saying

753
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 3: he's not gonna go you know, big money hunting when

754
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 3: it's free agent time and he doesn't want to get,

755
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,479
Speaker 3: you know, the five hundred and six hundred million dollar deal.

756
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying I think he would have been

757
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 3: able to stomach.

758
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh for these first three, four or five years more

759
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: if there was more commitment to spending around him. Oh,

760
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 2: he's enjoyed being at Pittsburgh. I see him at Marcus

761
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: Square all the time. It's just the team.

762
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 3: It's just he knows that the team is just such

763
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: a dead end and it's robbing him of those moments.

764
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 3: Like he watches i'm sure Yamamoto and the Dodgers' pitchers

765
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 3: and he's just like, that's I need that. I want

766
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 3: to have those moments. I want to go into the

767
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 3: night thinning at one hundred and twenty pitches.

768
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: You know, it strikes me he could have been a

769
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: market Square looking for drugs. Plus Keynes, you've been to

770
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: Market Square to deal with the pirate probably, Kay, You see,

771
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: you're dead panning too much. I didn't see him in

772
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: Market Square ever. It's a bad place. Nobody should go there.

773
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: I used to love you. I did that. They're trying

774
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: to sell that he enjoyed Pittsburgh.

775
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 3: I used to love Market Square. I used to walk

776
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 3: down from Duke Kene's campus all the time, eat lunch there.

777
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 3: It was great you went to do Kane. I did

778
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: I feel like I've told you that several several times.

779
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, but your pit guy, you're Pitt fan. Yeah, I know,

780
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: you know, you're like you're like the postcase at high

781
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: school sports editor Mike White went to do Kane, rabid

782
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: pit fan.

783
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: Pit wouldn't let me in, would root for what they

784
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 2: would let me in? Mark, they tried to go to Johnstown,

785
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 2: didn't want to go to Johnstown, n Y. That's right.

786
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: I got him both. You also got into like Penn, right,

787
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: that's correct. Not Harvard. I didn't even apply to I

788
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: applied to Harvard just to be a dick. I knew.

789
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: I knew first off Shaler and really what else would

790
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: make them not take me?

791
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: Did you think you could get into Penn? Did you

792
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 3: think you have a good chance? It was kind of

793
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 3: like a long shot too, that you were surprised came through.

794
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 1: Well, I mean tested IQ high SATs, which I think, uh,

795
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. I always say twelve fifty, but

796
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: I think that's because I have confused with my old

797
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: radio station.

798
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: I think I did.

799
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: I think, but that I did then I think it

800
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: was thirteen sixty. But that was WIXI where I actually

801
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: did a few phill instints at one point between jobs.

802
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 3: See I didn't even use my SAT scores. I used

803
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 3: my act My SATs were so bad.

804
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 2: Now I'm why did I work at WIXI.

805
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, compete for twelve fifty I went right

806
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: to I went right, Oh, I know what it was.

807
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: I was in a contract just beet with twelve fifty

808
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: for a bit, and like you know, eventually went back

809
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: but did some filling stuff at WIXI.

810
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 2: In the XC in the midd Yeah, okay, yeah, makes sense.

811
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: WIXI studio was like at route, Uh, what's the what's

812
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: the route that goes like to Greensburg but not the

813
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: Parkway thirty twenty two.

814
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: I think thirty sounds right to me. Yeah, And their

815
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: studio was like in this in this like house, Oh

816
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: those yeah, that's pretty cool, though there's charm to that

817
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: we should do this show out of a house.

818
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: Uh no, uh not not my you know. You know

819
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: they built a studio for back when Myron. Myron had

820
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: a in his own home, in his own home. They

821
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: not a portable studio like I had to use for

822
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: the COVID pandemic. Yeah, they like they built him a

823
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: studio because it was closer to the liquor cabinet one

824
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: oh five nine The X