WEBVTT - 10-7-25 Bill Cunningham Show 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:09.880 Bill Cunningham, the Great American October the seventh, twenty twenty 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:12.680 three is a date that will live an infamy for 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:15.080 those of the Jewish faith. I think throughout the world 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:19.079 as far as the of the aggravation of what happened 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:22.360 with the Hamas has below all the Islamic extremists and 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:26.680 what happened on that date is incredible. And joining you 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:30.320 and I now as Urik Kaufman, author of American Intafada 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:33.480 and professor Uri Kaufman, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:36.400 And much as we did during nine to eleven or 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:40.040 maybe Pearl Harbor, the world change for Israel on October 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:44.560 the seventh, twenty twenty three. Can you describe Israel, say, 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:48.000 on October the third or fourth of twenty twenty three, 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:50.960 two or three days before the attack by hamas the 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.360 status of Israel at that point. Then we're going to 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:56.280 compare it to what Israel was today after October the seventh, 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:59.360 and what's happening today. But describe Israel, say a couple 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:00.920 of days before October the seventh. 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.880 You go back to let's say October the sixth, twenty 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.600 twenty three. Okay, Israel, I could say was in its 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:11.920 golden age. Its economy was thriving. It's per capita income 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:17.440 was higher than Germany, Italy, Britain, France, Canada. Even it 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:19.839 seemed like it was in an extended period of peace. 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.360 It was only spending three and a half percent of 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.399 its GDP on defense, the lowest level in its history, 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:27.280 I think, even a bit lower than what we spent 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:31.120 here in America. It really looked like blue skies ahead, 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:33.679 and then just overnight the whole thing went upside down, 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.120 which kind of is what happened in nineteen seventy three. 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.000 It looked like everything was great, and then October the sixth, 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.600 nineteen seventy three, came along and everything got turned upside down. 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.080 Of course, I was there six months before that. I 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.120 sensed when I spoke to israelis I spent time in 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:52.600 the West Bank, spent time in Masada, spent time in 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:56.640 Palestinian held territories. It was safe, it was secure. We 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.120 were told there might be some rockets at the Hotel David. 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:01.400 If that's the case, we'll give you a warning, go 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:04.240 into the stairwell. None of that happened. The streets were 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:08.760 full of tourism. I was told that before October the seventh, 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.760 and you know, there was full employment. About twenty five 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:17.440 thousand Palestinians came across the checkpoints every day. There was 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:21.440 a sense that we're over the hump. The Abraham Accords 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.280 were not quite fully implemented, but Trump was going to 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:27.840 win the election, in which case it'll be better. And 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:30.600 all of a sudden October seventh happened. Can you to 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.200 tell the American people why it happened? We've gone back 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.720 in time with Pearl Harbor and with nine to eleven. 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:39.440 Why did October the seventh happen? And why weren't the 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:41.080 Israeli government prepared for that? 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:47.320 Well, the lead that it happened was that CAMAS wanted 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:51.519 to prevent normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia. And of course, 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.000 when we talk about CAMAS, it's a terrorist group. We 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:57.800 don't know the inner workings, it's all opaque. But this 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.280 is basically a good I guess you could say, assessment 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.080 of what happened. They did not want to see Israel normalized. 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:07.320 There was, as you say, talk of the Abraham Accords, 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:12.000 President Trump's Abraham Accords expanding, expanding to Saudi Arabia, expanding 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.000 to a country called Oman. Maybe some other players and 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.079 Hamas saw this. And you have to understand, Kamas never 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.160 gave up its dream of genocide, of killing all the Jews, 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.120 of wiping Israel off the map. Iran never gave up 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:27.200 on that dream. They had a clock ticking in downtown Tehran, 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:31.120 ticking down to a date in twenty forty when they 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.799 said they were going to kill all the Jews. Hesbila 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.440 never gave up on the dream, and Iran had built 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.280 what they called the ring of fire around Israel. It 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:42.720 was Camas, and not just Kamas in Gaza, but Hamas 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:45.880 in Judea, Samaria. It was Hesbola up in Lebanon. It 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:50.040 was Bishar Assad in Syria. It was the Iraqi militias 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.040 in Iraq. She had militias in Iraq, and of course 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:54.920 it was Yemen where you have the who, theies, and 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.720 Iran itself. So they have this ring of fire. They 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:00.320 always said they were going to activate it at some 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.440 point to wipe Israel off the map. It does appear 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:05.400 that y es Cin Nooir, the head of the mosque, 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.040 jumped the gun and he dragged the region into a 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.960 war before Iran would have wanted it but that's really 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.440 what happened. You never really need much of a reason. Unfortunately, 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.920 with the Jahadists, I guess you can say that it's 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:18.640 when they're living in peace that you have to ask 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:19.839 yourself why that's happening. 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:24.320 Why did October seventh militarily from the AMS perspective, why 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:27.080 did it succeed? Why was the idea of unprepared? 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:32.120 It's exactly what happened in nineteen seventy three. There was 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:36.120 a failure of a core assumption. The core assumption was 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.560 the Palestinians in Gaza are not going to go to 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.599 war because it would be an active national suicide. You 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.960 have to realize at that moment, as you indicated, seventeen 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:50.120 thousand Palestinians from Gaza were working in Israel each and 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:54.200 every day. Israel was supplying Gaza with sixty seven thousand 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.760 trucks filled with supplies. Israel supplied Gaza with five point 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:01.599 seven billion yallons of water, of its electricity, all of 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:03.920 its fuel by the way, as an asside, The New 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:07.960 York Times described this as a blockade, sometimes as the 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:09.080 Draconian blockade. 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:10.320 They like making stuff up. 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:14.120 But the Palestinians and God, there was no blockade. It 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.360 was the opposite. They had effectively given them the benefits 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:21.320 of peace. Prime Minister in Nittanye, who had even announced. 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.000 A few weeks before. 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:26.680 That Gods and Palestinians could explore for offshore natural gas 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.200 in the Mediterranean off the coast of Goza, where there 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:31.120 is thought to be natural gas, which would be, of 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.159 course a big source of wealth for the Palestinian people. 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.000 And no one dreamt that they would blow that up, 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:40.520 but they did, and they did because, as the Kamas 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.760 leaders themselves said, they're not like you and me. They're 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.480 not like the West. They're not really concerned about bettering 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.080 the lives of their people. They're not concerned with raising 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.240 their kids. They just want to wipe Israel off the map. 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:53.400 They just want to come a genocide, they say'd user 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.520 apes and pigs, and that's more important to them. And 0:05:56.560 --> 0:06:01.120 you can really say the same about Iran. The Ayapola 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.640 Homini back in the day once said the revolution was 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.039 not about the price of watermelons, and what he met 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.520 by that was if I were to ask you what's 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.599 the role of government, you'd say, well, the role of 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.039 government is to improve the lives of the citizenry. And 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.000 then you might say, without a trick question, isn't that 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:19.760 obvious over there? That's not the way the Islamists look 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.599 at it. They view the role of government as trying 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:26.400 to create this caliphate, hopefully in the capitol of Mecca, 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.960 and killing all the people they deemed to be infidels, 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.640 and that's more important than anything else, and that is 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:36.600 why all their resources are directed towards war, towards Hesbola, 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.840 towards the hoolies. Even now, the Iranians can't keep the 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.720 lights on, they don't have water. I mean, certain basic 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.400 things we take for granted. You turn the faucet, water 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:49.080 comes out. They can't take that for granted in Iran. 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.680 And yet the Iranians are still sending billions and billions 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:56.359 of dollars. Took thems to Hespula, to the Hoovies, because again, 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.919 this is what's most important to them. That could just 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:03.480 make one final pull. When President Obama did the Iran deal, 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:06.800 it freed up over one hundred billion dollars to the Iranians, 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.800 and at the time, President Obama said, well, they're going 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:12.920 to spend that money on their kids, on their country, 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.000 on their economy, And it was ridiculous they took that 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:17.800 money and they sent it to the who theies. The 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:21.480 hes bought a kama because that's their national priority, that's 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.240 what's most important to them, and it just showed a 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:29.760 fundamental misunderstanding of Iranian priorities. And again, as you said, Thanky, 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.880 president Trump is in the White House and we finally 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:35.600 understand our enemies a little better than. 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:36.280 We did before. 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.520 It's a culture of death. Some a US leaders when 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:43.280 asked why do you build your facilities underground below hospitals 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.720 and orphanages, in schools and apartment buildings, it's because the 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:50.760 civilians that are being killed to get at them are 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:55.320 also part of the Intifada against Israel. They want Palestinians 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.600 and gods and children to be killed by the Jew 0:07:57.960 --> 0:07:59.960 in order to demonstrate to the UN into the world 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:04.840 world that there's some sort of holocaust happening, some sort 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:08.360 of Genosade happening, which is a bunch of bs. They 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:12.240 Hamas specifically wants men, women and children and gods. It'll 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.200 be killed, and that's part of the Intifada, that's part 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.240 of They're part of it. They want four year old 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.960 girls to have their legs blown off because that's what 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.560 they want. It's a culture of death, not a culture 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:24.320 of life. So why should. 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:25.640 Anyone make peace with them? 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.240 Right right now? You know the talks are ongoing, it's 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.960 going to be close to hostages are going to be released, allegedly. 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.120 I'll believe it when I see it. But why do 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:37.600 business with them at all? Because whether it's five thousand 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.880 left or five hundred left, they're committed to the destruction, 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.880 the murder of Jews and Westerners whoever they might be found. 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.400 Why accept their word for anything? We know what they want. 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.040 Well, they're not accepting their word. And that's what's different 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:54.600 about it this time. This time, we're not trusting the Palestinians. 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.160 The way the deal is set up, the first thing 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.480 that happens is the hostages go free. That's what we 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:01.920 all want to sha. The second thing, though, is the 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:05.640 key point. Israel is going to stay in Gaza with 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:10.240 its soldiers in a perimeter surrounding Gaza so that they 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:14.400 can no longer flood it with weapons from Egypt from Sinai. Now, 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.720 when Kamala Harris was Vice president, she said I will 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:19.720 not allow this. It was in a speech in July 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.360 of twenty twenty four when she was already he presumed 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.160 a candidate for the Democrats. She said, I will not 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.720 allow this. I'm not going to let Israel have a 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.839 presence there. It'll shrink Gaza and that'll hurt the Palestinians. Well, well, 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:35.920 then if you're doing that, you're basically trusting Comas to 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.200 not do what he has done before and has been 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.040 doing for decades, which is just rearmed for the next round. 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:43.880 This time it's going to be different, and President Trump 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:47.600 has made that absolutely clear. He is also said Camas 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:49.600 is not going to be in power when this is over. 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.000 Gaza is going to demilitarize. There will be some sort 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:57.120 of civilian government, but Hamasa and the PA, the Palestinian authority, 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.920 which isn't really much better, they're just not going to 0:09:59.920 --> 0:10:03.000 be allowed to take a part in that. So we 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:04.880 can only hope that it's going to get a little 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.360 bit better because now Israel will be in charge of 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.600 security instead of trusting the Palestinians who've broken their word, 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.720 basically broken every treaty they've ever signed. 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:16.680 Professor Yurik Kaufman, can you address yourself to the issue 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:21.480 why is Israel so despised by Europe, by the UN? 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.520 By American college kids. If a poll was done about 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:29.400 do you support Palestinians or israel I think the poll 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:34.320 indicates two thirds of Americans wrongfully educated by the miseducation systems. 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:39.320 We have support Palestinians over Israelis, who simply won piece 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:41.960 and Israel has few friends in the world. 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:42.920 Why is that? 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:47.719 The easiest way to understand this is to engage in 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:51.280 a thought experiment. So let's assume every fact of the 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:55.920 October seven attack happened exactly the way it did. Total 0:10:56.040 --> 0:11:00.480 unprovoked attack. Twelve hundred people murdered, two hundred and fifty ostages, 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.960 women raped. One more fact you need to know the 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:08.400 Biden administration budgeted billions of dollars in aid for Gaza, 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.120 to whom they would characterize as the innocent civilians. Okay, 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.520 let's assume all that happened exactly the way it did. 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:18.320 Only let's assume the attackers were Germans of another era 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.760 or Ukrainians, in other words, are white supremacists. Let's assume 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.280 they were white people. Right, do you really think that 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.040 Biden would have budgeted billions of dollars to white people 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.440 who said Jews are apes and pigs? And now hold 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:33.360 the thought, let's change all the identities of the players. 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:37.240 Let's assume again same attack, and let's assume white supremacists 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.360 instead of Arab supremacists. But let's assume they murdered twelve 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:43.800 hundred black people and they raped black women. And now 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.800 a Republican administration said, let's give billions of dollars to 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.040 the innocent civilians, the innocent white supremacist who say that 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.400 Blacks are apes and pigs. There would have been rioting 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.800 in the streets, and rightly so. So what we have 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.840 here is this weird kind of dynamic. And then you 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.280 get into something called cognitive diss where when people have 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.559 deeply held beliefs and then facts appear the contradict the beliefs, 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:07.040 people change the facts, not the beliefs. And that's why 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.840 Barack Obama, right after the attack tweeted that we have 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:14.559 to say facts that there's unclean hands on both sides. Well, 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.960 why don't he draw the moral equivalents, he said, because 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.080 of what he termed the unbearable occupation. Well, there was 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.520 no occupation Israels was drawn from Godza eighteen years before. 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:25.960 But he didn't like those facts, so he changed the 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:28.280 facts to fit the narrative, and just one final thought, 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:32.360 imagine for a moment again, a thought experiment. Every fact 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:36.040 happened exactly the way it did, and Iran was run 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.320 not by crazy ayahtolas who say jewser apes and pigs, 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.760 but by white supremacists who say Blacks are apes and pigs. 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:44.800 Do you really think he would have done in Iranvian? 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:48.160 Do you really think that Barack Obama would have agreed 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.120 that they get to keep the first generation centri if 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.400 you just continue their research, get over one hundred billion 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.719 dollars to spend on insurgents killing black people. They get 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.520 to make arms in five years, missiles in as they 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:05.319 enrich uranium in ten fifteen years later, from the beginning 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.120 of the agreement its sunsets. They get all the enriched 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.200 uranium back. The experts say the breakout period maybe a 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.880 few weeks, maybe a few months. The Iranians say they're 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.360 going to take that and drop a bomb on black people, 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:19.160 kill all the black people. Do you really think that 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:22.160 Obama would have done a deal? Of course not. But 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:25.600 it was with a regime run by what is turned 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.360 people of color, and the people they're fighting are a 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.880 white group of privileged, the Jews, and now suddenly it 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:34.680 all gets scrambled, and you can convince yourself cognitive dissonance 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.120 that well, maybe the Iranians really hate us because of 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.200 that coop in nineteen fifty three, which is of course ridiculous. 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:43.960 The Iatola's Bastak whop as well, just for the same 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.360 reason we did. They didn't want to see a communist 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.760 running Uran anymore than we did. I'm not defending the 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.240 coup itself. I'm just pointing out that's not why they 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:55.559 hate us. It's absurd, you know, And you to convince yourself, well, 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:57.640 they'll take that one hundred billion dollars, they'll spend it 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.240 on their kids. They're gonna lie to love us. They're 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.040 people of color, they're fighting oppression, and you get all 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:06.520 this nonsense which has passed around his truth, and not 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.800 just in college campuses, but in mainstream media, in the 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:15.600 New York Times, in CNN, in the BBC by Christian Amenport. 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.000 But I have to say not by Bill Cunningham. And 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.040 that's why it's so important to listen to your show. 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.440 I went there. I went to Israel. You know, I 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.080 worked in Jewish law firms for a long time. Katzman, 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.920 logan and helper, And for some reason, I feel a 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.440 great affinity for the Jewish people. What they've had to 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.200 put up with the Ring of Fire was something which 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:38.560 has largely been eliminated except for what's happening in certain 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.440 parts of Iran, in which they won't give up, They 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.640 won't spend their money to help their own people. They 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:46.120 continue to have the outside power about to take you over. 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.560 It's been used throughout history. The policies of the Iranian 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.920 government is awful, it's terrible, it makes no sense. However, 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.280 it's not our problem. It's the Jews causing the difficulties. 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:59.560 It's the classic what alf Hitler used against the Jews 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.240 is not our policies that have failed, is the Jews 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.480 destroying us. And that same idea is our policies have 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.680 failed internally. We can't look at ourselves as having failed. 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.360 Got to blame someone else for it. And that's always 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.320 throughout history, the jew for causing the problems. And all 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:16.440 the Israeli wants to do is live in peace. Israel 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:19.800 is a multi dimensional I've seen the gay pride flag 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:24.400 flying in Jerusalem. I've gone to Catholic masses in Jerusalem, 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:29.200 I've seen twenty twenty five percent of the Kanesse are Muslims. 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.800 It is a Western style democracy. The truth will set 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:35.400 you free. But many, as you say, I'm not going 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.880 to change my opinion, So I changed the facts. The 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.320 Palestinians have been in charge of the gods for almost 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:44.280 twenty years, and that they freely elected Hamasta be their government. 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:46.680 Knowing I think what would happen in the long run, 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:50.000 Begging that Iran will get the nuclear weapon quickly. 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:51.320 Set it out over Israel. 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:53.880 All hell would break loose and then it's a culture 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:55.760 of death, and then they'll go to heaven with the 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.320 seventy two virgins. And I wish the rest of the 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.840 world could see the reality of what Israel faces and 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:05.720 what they've overcome. They've called the desert to bloom. It's 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:10.400 a multi functional, multi dimensional Western democracy and it's working. 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.680 And I'm sure in the months ahead, when peace finally 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.600 comes and Benjamin not to you know who's government's going 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.960 to be in trouble for not being prepared for what 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:22.960 happened on October the seventh. It's going to be a problem. 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:24.920 And I guess they're going to change governments. And I 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.640 pray the next government has his attitude when it comes 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:31.280 to defending our homeland. And the Professor Uri Kaufman book 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:34.800 Is America into Intofada. We've not even touched the surface 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.600 of the of what's happening on college campus is how 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.520 they're infiltrated and paid for by ignorance from the river 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:43.520 to the sea. They think it's the Mississippi and the Caribbean. 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.040 They have no idea it's Jordan. In other words, killed 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:50.440 the Jews the six million that remained. But Professor, today's 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:52.440 a big day. We'll see what happens down the road. 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.520 But thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show and 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.800 Ury Kaufman the book Is America into Fada? Once again, 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.360 Thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Professor, you're 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:02.640 a great American. I think you have it right, and 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:03.800 I think I have it right. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.560 I couldn't agree more. And thank you so much for 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:09.840 having me. It's always a privilege to speak to you 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:11.520 and a pleasure to be on the show. 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.520 God bless America and God bless Israel. Thank you very much. 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.480 Let's continue with more news coming up next at Joe 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:22.040 Home of the Reds and the Bengals. News Radio seven hundred. Wow, Hi, 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.920 Billy Cunningham, Dave Keaton, hit the music, please hit the music. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.560 Weather has changed to here in River City and we 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:29.040 love it. A little bit of rain. It's going to 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.400 get a little cooler. We need that too. Then good 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:35.160 weather returns on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I love 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.200 having on people like Yuri Kaufman, who's written books on 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.439 the subject. There's a posting about three hours ago on 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:46.120 the official ex account of Israel itself that says the following. 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.960 At this moment two years ago today, Israel faced the 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:51.800 darkest day in our history. 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:53.040 They wrote. 0:17:53.040 --> 0:18:00.280 Today, on October seventh, Palestinian homosgy Hottist invaded our land, murdering, raping, 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:04.000 and kidnapping innocent men, women and children. Two years later, 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:07.600 we remember October the seventh, We remember the victims. We 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.560 pray for the return of the hostages still held in Gaza, 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.560 and we stand united against terror. A moss must be 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:17.119 dismantled to end this war. We remain committed to our 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.479 values now more than ever. Light will rise over darkness. 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:28.040 Quote unquote. Two years ago, approximately one thy two hundred Jews, Muslims, 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:33.719 Catholics and Christians all Israelis and foreign nationals were murdered, 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.640 and two hundred and fifty one were taken hostage. Including 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:40.440 in the group taken hostage was seventeen babies and toddlers, 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.120 all of whom have been killed by AMAS. 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:43.680 I might add. 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.639 The video goes on to summarize Israeli efforts to dismantle 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:51.520 amasa's leadership. I don't know about you, but maybe I'll 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:55.080 watch at some point some of the documentaries and actually 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.159 what happened in October the seventh, twenty twenty three. But 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.840 much like watching Charlie Kirk being shot down in cold blood, 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.719 it's hard to watch. But one thing I do know 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.119 is that Israel has the right to defend itself. The 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:12.720 charges of genocide are lies, damnable lies. It's not true. 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:15.639 You know how we were acted on December seventh, nineteen 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.639 forty one. We were not at war at that point 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.639 with Japan nor Germany. We were trying to stay the 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:23.919 hell out of the war because at that point it 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.080 was mainly in Asia with Japan invading China, and in 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:30.320 Europe it was of course Germany doing what Germany and 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:33.040 the Nazis did. Beginning of nineteen thirty nine, We tried 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.439 to stay out of it. We were sucked into it 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.600 only because of Pearl Harbor. Everything flipped. There were about 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:42.199 eighteen hundred service personnel and others killed at Pearl Harbor. 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.359 How do we respond to eighteen hundred being killed? We 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:49.760 declared war on Japan. Two days later, Hitler declared war 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.480 on us, and we declared war on Germany. And for 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:54.640 the next four years we were at a total war 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:59.359 for our existence. In that war, Americans directly and indirectly 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.320 killed tens of millions, the great majority who, by the way, 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:06.920 were civilians. Unfortunately, such as the fire bombings in Germany 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:10.240 and the nuclear devices set over Japan, and also the bombing. 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:12.479 But it was necessary to win the war, and there 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.240 was no between nineteen forty one and nineteen forty five 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.840 till the Armacist the Peace Treaty was signed in August fifteenth, 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:22.600 nineteen forty five. There wasn't nothing in the American media 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:26.600 about killing tens of millions of innocent civilians in order 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:29.600 to get at the Japanese government and the German government. 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:33.399 It wasn't a factor. It's simply that's what war is. 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:38.159 On nine to eleven, there was about two thousand Americans 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:42.600 were murdered in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, and the nation's capital, and 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:44.840 of course in New York City when the Twin Tires fell. 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:46.919 And at that point we more or less had been 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:49.800 at war with Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda, but 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:52.359 not really that they were killing us. They had a 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:55.399 clear war on us. We didn't respond to nine to eleven. Well, 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:58.520 nine to eleven got our attention, and over the next 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:02.159 several years, one hundreds of thousands of civilians were killed 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.920 in Afghanistan, in Iraq and still being killed, and there 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:10.600 wasn't met much protestation beginning in nine to eleven oh 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:16.240 one through the last few years and killing unfortunately unintentionally 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:19.840