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Speaker 2: Let's get right into it. It is my second favorite Nickoson,

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Speaker 2: but my favorite Nickoson that covers the Bearcats. Our good

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Speaker 2: friend Keegan joining us from Big twelve Media Day. Hi Keegan,

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Speaker 2: Hi Ty, How I'm good. How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing excellent. I'm sitting outside of the t Moville Center,

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Speaker 3: got the sunshining down. It's been a good day so far,

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Speaker 3: and I'm excited to be talking.

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Speaker 2: Any big takeaways from what we've heard or what you

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Speaker 2: heard from Wes Miller or any of the players today.

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Speaker 3: I mean, tangibly, the biggest takeaway I would have is

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Speaker 3: that somehow there's a slight possibility that Perkriesa could take

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Speaker 3: advantage of a seventh year of eligibility next season. I'm

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Speaker 3: not sure the exact kind of things that would have

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Speaker 3: to happen, or contingencies or stuff with the rules, because

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've been trying to study this stuff for

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Speaker 3: three years. I still have no idea what's going on.

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Speaker 3: But there's some way. And something that happened is freshman

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Speaker 3: year where he could get another extra year of eligibility,

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Speaker 3: and we asked him about it, because you don't know

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Speaker 3: for sure if a kid can get next year, if

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Speaker 3: he's going to want to come back, especially when he's

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Speaker 3: been here for six years or been in college for

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Speaker 3: six years, and he goes, yeah, college basketball is the

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Speaker 3: best thing in the world. I would absolutely take advantage

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Speaker 3: of a seventh year. So other than that, nothing's huge

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Speaker 3: role changes about continuations with and one pulls is going

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Speaker 3: to look more like the NBA, and then the coach's

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Speaker 3: challenges that are going to be implemented this season. Wes

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Speaker 3: Miller said he he likes that they're trying to modernize

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Speaker 3: So a lot of stuff going on, a lot of

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Speaker 3: stuff we can hit on, but still got some stuff

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Speaker 2: So Keigan. The injury to Jalen Haines, big sliine, What

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Speaker 2: was the role in your opinion of Haines going to

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Speaker 2: be on this team and subsequently how big of a

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Speaker 2: loss is this for the Bearcats. I know there's no

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Speaker 2: timetable on his injury, but how big of a loss

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a pretty big loss. I think in terms

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Speaker 3: you just think about the role that he would have

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Speaker 3: see hasn't had since maybe Gary Clark in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: and it's something that a lot of coaches or a

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Speaker 3: lot of fans has missed and they've just been asking

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Speaker 3: for someone that they could just throw the ball down

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Speaker 3: to in the post and get a bucket. The good

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Speaker 3: also brought in Ustafa Chan who can do that. Baba

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Speaker 3: Miller showed that he could do it against Michigan, so

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Speaker 3: he added a ton of really really good depth. It's

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Speaker 3: a testament to how good of a transfert portal class

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Speaker 3: they had that you you lose a big player, potential

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Speaker 3: The outlook for the season is a little down from

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Speaker 2: Last Friday, we saw the Bearcats continued dominance over the

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Speaker 2: Big ten and exhibition games continue. Last year was Ohio State,

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Speaker 2: this year it was Michigan. I overreacted last year to

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Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing you can look at regardless

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Speaker 3: on the rest of it, I'm not really sure how

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Speaker 3: Briso played how he's going to play the entire season

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Speaker 3: in terms of how aggressive he was in three point shooting.

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Speaker 3: Since her Harris getting five steals. I don't expect five

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Speaker 3: When they start in the Big twelfth season and they

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Speaker 3: when you can kind of get your hopes up and say, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Schedule coming up Friday, they're going to be at Arkansas

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Speaker 3: How we already talked about it with Dalen Haynes. How

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Speaker 3: down low. The biggest thing I'm going to be looking

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Speaker 3: those steals, and David Thomas is good defensively, but how

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Speaker 3: are you playing as a unit, because if you give

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Speaker 3: Miller was not had at all about how they played defensively,

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Speaker 2: Gisel James is not with the team day Dae Thomas

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Speaker 2: is is their depth there at point guard that you

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Speaker 2: is that still need to play itself out.

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Speaker 3: I think it needs to play itself out because right now,

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Speaker 3: He doesn't have to go out and average twelve points

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Speaker 2: Keegan. On the other side of this is football happening

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Speaker 2: this weekend, Baylor coming into town, the top passing offense

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Speaker 3: I am. And I wrote a story after they beat

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Speaker 3: Boling Green only my only fourteen points, I think, and

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Speaker 3: everyone is freaking out. I said, don't write these guys

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Speaker 3: they're ranked number twenty one, And I just saw too

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Speaker 3: much talent. I knew there was too much talent on

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Speaker 3: both sides of the ball. I love the quarterback play.

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Speaker 3: the wide receiver corps is awesome. I mean, Jeff Caldwell,

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Speaker 3: Joe Royer, you're legitimately sixt deep that pass catcher. I

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Speaker 3: is working really, really well. I'll be interested to see

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. I think it strengths your margin of air

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Speaker 2: How about this from the NFL today. Austin, Jeremy Fallon,

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Speaker 2: Number twenty on the list Cam Taylor Britt. They predict

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Speaker 4: Those yeah about Cam Taylor Brit, Those that Bengals today

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Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens, number six, number five, Jacobe Myers number four,

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Speaker 2: Rick Woolan corner for Seattle. Number three. Reese Hall of

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Speaker 2: the New York Jets. A player that I am a

436
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Speaker 2: little concerned about on Sunday, number two Jalen Waddle and

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Speaker 2: number one Trey Hendrickson. Trey Hendrickson would be far and

438
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Speaker 2: away the most attracted to trade target if the Bengals

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Speaker 2: entertained a deal. Now as of right now, the Bengals

440
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Speaker 2: don't have plans to trade Trey Hendrickson, but there would

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Speaker 2: be teams lining up with interest for Trey Hendrickson. And

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Speaker 2: this why Austin is I think the next two are important.

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Speaker 2: If you're four and five or shoot three and six

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Speaker 2: at the deadline, what's the point of holding on to

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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson? Correct? Now, if you're five and four, know

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Speaker 2: what you're giving up on Trey Hendrickson, right, But if

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Speaker 2: you are under five hundred, That's where I'm at. If

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Speaker 2: you're under five hundred the deadline, what is the benefit

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Speaker 2: of holding on to Trey Hendrickson? Correct?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if you lose the next two and

451
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Speaker 4: you go to that bye week at three and six,

452
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Speaker 4: your season is basically over. Now, you still have all

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Speaker 4: those AFC North games ahead of you. I see that,

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Speaker 4: but I think at the minimum it's going to take

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Speaker 4: ten wins to get in, so you would have to

456
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Speaker 4: go it just doesn't matter seven and one over those

457
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Speaker 4: last eight games to get into play. I don't see

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Speaker 4: that happening if they are to lose the next two,

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Speaker 4: which means you have to shift almost immediately to how

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Speaker 4: can we get this team ready for next year? So

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Speaker 4: start evaluating, you start playing young players more than they

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Speaker 4: already have been, and you start acquiring draft picks, and

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Speaker 4: you would start by getting Trey Hendrickson off the books

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Speaker 4: and get whatever return you can get for him.

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Speaker 2: Would that change your thought on Logan Wilson two if

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Speaker 2: they're four and five at the deadline.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's all all of it is

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Speaker 4: predicated as we talked about yesterday with the aggressive or

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Speaker 4: non aggressive, all of it's predicated on if you.

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Speaker 2: Win games without a doubt.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean clear, I can't imagine Logan Wilson's a

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Speaker 4: big part of the plan next year. I don't know

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Speaker 4: that the Bengals are looking at next year thinking Trey

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Speaker 4: is going to be here, right, I don't know that

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Speaker 4: they're looking at next year thinking Cam Taylor BRIT's going

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Speaker 4: to be here. So that's the reason those three guys

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Speaker 4: are on that list, And for two out of the three,

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Speaker 4: I'd remove Camp taylor Bridge just because of just the

479
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Speaker 4: doghouse that he's in. But for two of those three,

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Speaker 4: it really is predicated on whether or not they win games.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Let's take a break. When we come back, we'll

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Speaker 2: grab a phone call or too. Well, look at some

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Speaker 2: other NFL news and we've got quick hits coming up

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Speaker 2: as well. ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, Thanks to

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Speaker 2: our friends at Penn Station.

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Speaker 3: Until you seek wise since since he three sixty continues

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Speaker 3: on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. It's our three of three since he three

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Speaker 2: to sixty. Thanks to Penn Station. We got a few

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Speaker 2: minutes for a couple of phone calls here Austin. I

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Speaker 2: understand that we have a phone call on hold right now.

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Speaker 2: That's not just one person waiting on hold, but two.

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm told our friend Greg and Sharonville alongside

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Speaker 4: his lovely wife, Greg and the missus.

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 3: How's he going? Hey?

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Speaker 5: I'm just glad to be talking to you. I said

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Speaker 5: all I had to say yesterday about you guys on

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Speaker 5: the talk. Just glad you guys or back together. Hey,

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Speaker 5: this is kind of my annual I can't stand Notre

501
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Speaker 5: Dame call to I had to get this in.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 5: They are their favorite in every game except the Miami game.

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Speaker 3: They lose that.

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Speaker 5: Yep, they lose the A and M at home they

506
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Speaker 5: hung fifty on some dummies and two or three weeks

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Speaker 5: in a row whatever, and then you know I'm here

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Speaker 5: and you know on on.

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Speaker 3: The radio or whatever.

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Speaker 5: Oh well, you know, if they can just win out, yep,

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Speaker 5: they'll be in.

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Speaker 3: Well, sure they're going to be in. They don't play anybody.

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Speaker 2: Boston College, Navy, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Stanford. They should went out

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Speaker 2: by double digits in every one of those games.

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Speaker 5: But but you know the thing, you know, my dad,

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Speaker 5: he was a big Notre Dame Fanny, No he didn't.

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Speaker 3: You know, we always argue.

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Speaker 5: I was talking about the week schedule, hand pick schedule.

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Speaker 5: But you know the thing is they don't They won't

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Speaker 5: play in the conference, so they don't have to play

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Speaker 5: a conference championship game. And you know myself, but you

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Speaker 5: know it's the rules. They can get in, they can you.

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Speaker 6: Know, get in any way you can get in.

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Speaker 3: But anyway I think it's stakes.

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Speaker 5: So anyway, uh, my wife Julia, I would like to

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Speaker 5: say a couple of words Austin. Oh, I'm sorry, Tony.

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Speaker 7: First night streaking with both of you. Yes, I just

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Speaker 7: want to comment on Austin's telling the story about going

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Speaker 7: to Green Bay and touring through the stadium. I just

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Speaker 7: found that so interesting. I'm kind of a football fan,

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Speaker 7: but only for high school kids. Okay, so hear that story.

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Speaker 7: It's just kind of said, see, I like to go there,

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Speaker 7: even though I'm not that familiar with the team, But

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Speaker 7: I just wanted to tell you that was that was

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Speaker 7: so enlightening it and I almost felt like I was

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Speaker 7: right there as you went through all the parts of

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Speaker 7: the stadium.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, that's that's very nice. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, even any type of football fan, high school

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Speaker 4: or anything else would just love it. And actually inside

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Speaker 4: that atrium there they have like the Wisconsin High School

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Speaker 4: Football College high School Football Coaches Hall of Fame as well.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's really really neat.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So anyway, so I always enjoy hearing the stories that

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Speaker 7: Greg tells me after I get that from my shopping anyway,

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Speaker 7: So I'm glad you guys are back.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, thank you. We appreciate both of you guys.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for calling, all right, See you guys. That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a first that is. I love it.

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Speaker 2: That's fantastic. Good for Greg and Julia. She must be

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Speaker 2: shopping a lot, no kidding, what a world. I love this, Mike,

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Speaker 2: what's going on?

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Speaker 6: Hey, fellas, I hope you're doing well. I was just

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Speaker 6: stunned at how wonderful that opening game was in the

556
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Speaker 6: NBA last night? Would you Houston and Okay? See that

557
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Speaker 6: was incredibly good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean it's it's tough when you start a

559
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Speaker 2: season like that because the uh, the view is that, Okay,

560
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: this is gonna be a big year. Puts a lot

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Speaker 2: of pressure on all the other games as well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it really does. I didn't make it for the

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Speaker 6: Lakers game. I saw the score, but the Golden State

564
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Speaker 6: whip him. I wonder if Steph went off last night.

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Speaker 2: No, he only had twenty three points. Luca went off, Uh,

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Speaker 2: but Steph did, Jimmy Butler and Kaminga had a huge night.

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Speaker 2: I got asked today on on on social media, Mike.

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Speaker 2: If Mike calls, can you ask him if the home

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Speaker 2: dog strategy is also a go in the NBA as well?

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Speaker 2: Or is it strictly baseball?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely not the NBA on the baseball and baseball only.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there we go.

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Speaker 6: Yep, Yeah, I tried horsing around with that big mistake.

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Speaker 3: Big miss.

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Speaker 6: Should have listened to the old man that told me.

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Speaker 6: He said, stick, I gave you a system. Stick to

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Speaker 6: the system, don't.

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Speaker 7: Easy eight and you will do well.

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Speaker 6: Actually I had the dev eight. I think I know

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Speaker 6: everything and I don't know crap obviously. Anyway, Hey, did

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Speaker 6: you know that? So I heard Jaydon Daniels is out

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Speaker 6: for this game.

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Speaker 2: Mariota is going to start.

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Speaker 6: McLaurin and Deebo are back. I think they said Deebos Sandals.

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Speaker 2: Austin mentioned earlier that Mariota has won a playoff game

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Speaker 2: at Arrowhead Stadium before, so he is a He is

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Speaker 2: a very good backup. There's a reason they pay him

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Speaker 2: to be the backup in Washington. You hope it's nothing

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Speaker 2: long term for Jadon Daniels. Uh, He's felt like his

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Speaker 2: season hasn't even begun to get off the the mat

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Speaker 2: yet because of the injuries he's had. But at the

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Speaker 2: same time, I think Mariota is a dangerous player when

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Speaker 2: when given the full complement of weapons, and he is.

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Speaker 6: The pride of Honolulu, Hawaii. He was a huge high school.

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Speaker 2: Loved him, loved him at Oregon too.

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Speaker 6: Hey, I got something run by with this Jets game.

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Speaker 8: Well before I get to that, real quick that Okay,

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Speaker 8: the three top rank defenses overall based on yards allowed

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Speaker 8: totally yards allowed, well, the first.

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Speaker 6: Three or the Browns, the Falcons, and the Houston Texans.

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Speaker 6: The Browns are giving up two hundred and fifty six

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Speaker 6: per game, Atlanta to sixty five, Denver three at two

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Speaker 6: seventy three, Houston at two seventy four. They rate the

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Speaker 6: Browns defensive line as the best line in the in

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Speaker 6: the NFL. And uh, hold on, I got this one

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Speaker 6: other set I wanted to share with you this I know,

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Speaker 6: I got about eight second clip now, okay, uh game,

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Speaker 6: hold on, I get frustrated a heck. Anyway, I was

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Speaker 6: gonna say the Jets defense the total defense in ratings

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Speaker 6: for past and flushing defense, they're ranks sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Yep, right, Intal Bengals.

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Speaker 6: Are ranked thirty first. This does not bogue.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Mike, I appreciate the call man, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals like, if you can't beat the O and

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Speaker 2: seven Jets, we got bigger problems but it is. I

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Speaker 2: think it's more challenging than than maybe what the O

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Speaker 2: and seven record leads to. We got to get a

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Speaker 2: break quick hits next. Finish up today's show on ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: From It's time for since the three sixty Quick Hits

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Speaker 1: on ESBN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Moe's getting ready for a show. We don't have him

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Speaker 2: for quick Hits today. He's probably somewhere two days in

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Speaker 2: a row. Yeah, looks listen the Knicks play tonight. You

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Speaker 2: can't help, but you know he still works here, right

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Speaker 2: he does. Okay, Now his show is coming up in

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Speaker 2: just a few minutes right here in the centred seat

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Speaker 2: that I'm sitting in right now. Okay, the Moweger Show

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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty is coming up next. Now it's

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Speaker 2: a big day obviously because Moe's Nicks start tonight. Right.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't aware, Austin.

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Speaker 4: I'm a big Knicks fan. Tonight, I wasn't aware.

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Speaker 2: It is. I wasn't aware. The Knicks are one of

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Speaker 2: like the favorites in the East this year.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they had a good offseason. Uh, and obviously

636
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Speaker 4: there was talk about them potentially getting Yannis from the

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Speaker 4: Bucks is one of those teams. But they would have

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Speaker 4: to give up all of what makes their team good

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Speaker 4: and deep to get Yannis. Mo would obviously know more.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean so.

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Speaker 2: Obviously that it it doesn't hurt them that Tatum's out

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Speaker 2: for the year for the Celtics, right, Halliburton is out

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Speaker 2: for the Pacers.

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Speaker 4: Sure, Kobe White's down for the first Toby White Chicago.

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Speaker 2: So who else in the East is is a threat.

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Speaker 4: The Milwaukee Bucks, I guess, but not really the Calves.

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Speaker 4: The Caves had goodyear last year. There has not been

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Speaker 4: a lot of talk about the Heat. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 4: do think Cleveland's one of those teams.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what about the Charlotte Hornets.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that I could name a Hornet, to

652
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Speaker 4: be honest with you. Kem is Uh is one of

653
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Speaker 4: the ball Brothers still there?

654
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Speaker 2: I think he's there, is Kema Backer. No Kimba Walker.

655
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if you're joking or not, because

656
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Speaker 4: I legit don't know anything about the Hornets.

657
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Speaker 2: I don't think he's there anymore.

658
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Speaker 4: I am the most casual NBA fan, like I watched

659
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Speaker 4: most of last night as we talked about, but like,

660
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Speaker 4: you know, I'm not really following along the league transactions.

661
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 4: I like to tune in and be like, oh that guy.

662
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Speaker 2: We did talk about it the ring ceremony last night,

663
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Speaker 2: as we mentioned earlier. Thankfully, finally someone has realized make

664
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Speaker 2: these big, extravagant rings, but also add a ring inside

665
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Speaker 2: of the ring that you can wear on a normal basis,

666
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Speaker 2: you can actually wear.

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Speaker 4: I know Dan Patrick has been talking about this for

668
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Speaker 4: a long time, and it just makes a lot of

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Speaker 4: sense to have something because we've seen it to the

670
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Speaker 4: point where some guys just put the ring on a

671
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Speaker 4: chain because you can't wear it on your hand, and

672
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Speaker 4: maybe you.

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Speaker 2: Turn it into incredible stuff.

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Speaker 4: Like our guy Joe Walter, he wears his AFC Championship

675
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 4: ring just about every single day as he should, and yeah,

676
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Speaker 4: as he should. And obviously it's not Super Bowl ring.

677
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Speaker 4: But even if he had gotten a Super Bowl ring

678
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 4: back then, it wasn't big and bulky and this whole

679
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Speaker 4: big thing, like part of the whole idea is that

680
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Speaker 4: it's something you can wear and you know, show off

681
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Speaker 4: a little bit.

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Speaker 3: You know.

683
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Speaker 4: When I was at the Packers Hall of Fame the

684
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Speaker 4: other week, they had all these different awards that and

685
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Speaker 4: basically pieces of jewelry that used to be the reward

686
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Speaker 4: for winning an MVP or winning the NFL championship, Like

687
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Speaker 4: they had all these old watches from Bart Starr watches

688
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 4: and like necklaces, like trinkets and rings from Vince Lombardi's collection. Yeah,

689
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Speaker 4: and it's amazing to see how much it's changed from

690
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Speaker 4: this little thing to that ginormous thing that is championship rings.

691
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Speaker 2: What did you make? I know one of the things

692
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Speaker 2: you were looking forward to last night was Michael Jordan. Yeah,

693
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Speaker 2: and to sit down with Mike Rico, and there's obviously

694
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: going to be more of these. I love the quote

695
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: of that he wished you could take the magic pill,

696
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: put the shorts on, and go out and play the game,

697
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: because that's who he is, the competitiveness to greatness. But

698
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Speaker 2: I also found it fascinating that he's just not picked

699
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: up a ball in quite some time. Yeah, Like Tarico's like,

700
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 2: come on, when's the last time, And he's like, well,

701
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Speaker 2: you're here. Do you see a hoop anywhere?

702
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

703
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Speaker 2: He said he was at the Ryder Cup this past

704
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: year in the house that he rented out had a

705
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Speaker 2: basketball hoop and the guy that he rented it from,

706
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Speaker 2: had like his grandkids or some kids over. Yeah, he

707
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Speaker 2: said he he kind of got put on the spot,

708
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Speaker 2: and he said was the most nervous he's been in

709
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Speaker 2: a long time.

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Speaker 4: My question would be in that conversation, who did you

711
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 4: rent the house from? And who does he think he

712
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 4: is that he can ask Michael correct or basically tell

713
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Speaker 4: Michael Jordan. But I get to because I'm sure Jordan's

714
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 4: paying really nicely to stay at this guy's house.

715
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Speaker 2: And that's what Jordan said last night. He's like, I

716
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Speaker 2: wasn't get in the place for free. He said, for it.

717
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Speaker 4: You've already brought your grandkids over to meet him and

718
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 4: take pictures with him. Who do you think you are

719
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Speaker 4: to put Michael Jordan on the spot to ask him

720
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Speaker 4: to shoot a basketball?

721
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Speaker 2: But I loved the most his response of I was

722
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Speaker 2: so nervous because those kids have been told story about

723
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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan and so they don't view him as the

724
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Speaker 2: older guy now, they view him as the goat. M h.

725
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Speaker 2: He said he made the free throw.

726
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Speaker 4: Of course, I thought it was cool. I saw a

727
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Speaker 4: tweet from Colin Keene, who is a rights for Sports

728
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Speaker 4: Illustrated and Fan Sided and stuff, and he said mj

729
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 4: was nervous he'd missed that free throw and a bunch

730
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Speaker 4: of in front of a bunch of kids that had never

731
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Speaker 4: seen him play, and that it's the humility that has

732
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 4: always driven Jordan. Yeah, you know, once being undervalue, the

733
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Speaker 4: desire to prove himself. Very few stars have this now

734
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 4: everyone's coddled from a young age. This is Colin Keene's

735
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:41,959
Speaker 4: words in the AAU era lebron has quote nothing left

736
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Speaker 4: to prove for years. He said that in his own words,

737
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 4: Curry has the humility, Brady has the humility, Jordan has it.

738
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Speaker 4: It's in most of the greats. I thought that was

739
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Speaker 4: a cool human moment from Michael Jeffrey Jordan. I hope,

740
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Speaker 4: by the way, that it's more than just one sit

741
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Speaker 4: down that they do snippets of.

742
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Speaker 2: They already tease the next one of him talking about

743
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: load management and why it was important to him to

744
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 2: play every game. Yeah, who you think that's a shot

745
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: at probably half the league. Yep, He's the line I

746
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: liked the most last night was the drive and the

747
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 2: fire to compete is what he lives for and that's

748
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Speaker 2: what he misses.

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Speaker 4: He also talked about in the open about the contention

750
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Speaker 4: that you could feel on the court the competitiveness between

751
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 4: his era and the era now. And I think that's true,

752
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 4: Like it's there are a lot of buddy buddy friendship

753
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 4: type of stuff in the league these days, and I

754
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 4: do like I like that to an extent, but also

755
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 4: wish it was a little bit more contentious.

756
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Speaker 2: Those years man, where there was just genuine hate. Yeah.

757
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 2: They we've talked about this before in sports. Yeah, that

758
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: hate and that fire makes it even better because you

759
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: can sense that on the field, like man on the

760
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: court or on the field, these these teams or these

761
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 2: players hate each other.

762
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Speaker 4: And they asked Steph Curry, you know, what were his

763
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Speaker 4: memories from the nineties when the NBA was on NBC

764
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 4: the first time, and he said, the rivalries like that

765
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 4: era of basketball and those type of rivalries. By the way, Nix,

766
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Speaker 4: we're talking about that load management. How about Mitchell Robinson

767
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Speaker 4: and Josh Hart both missing tonight's season opener due to

768
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 4: load management? What I think there's already load management the

769
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Speaker 4: first game of the year, or excuse me, Mitchell Robinson

770
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Speaker 4: not playing due to load management. Josh Hart has a

771
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Speaker 4: back injury.

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Speaker 2: How can you do load management the first game of

773
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Speaker 2: the year.

774
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Speaker 4: Apparently they practiced too hard in training camp. Well, Fibbs

775
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Speaker 4: is out, Mitchell Robinson load management game one. If I'm

776
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Speaker 4: Adam Silver, I'm picking up the phone, like, hey, what

777
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Speaker 4: are we doing? Who's the coach of the Knicks? Don Staley?

778
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Speaker 2: Who is it? I actually don't know who the coach

779
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: of the Knicks is. I don't think it's Don Staley. Oh,

780
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: they interviewed her. They they just went and got like

781
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Speaker 2: another coach that's been around for years. Mike Brown's the coach.

782
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, like Moe just walked in most Yeah, we

783
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: got another minute or two here here, I'm sorry, you're

784
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: all rights? Oh you're excited? The Knicks play tonight. I

785
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: can't wait.

786
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Speaker 4: What is miss Robinson out with load managed?

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Speaker 2: He's not even have his headphones in there? What going

788
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: on here?

789
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Speaker 3: Today?

790
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Speaker 2: Mitchell Robinson is out tonight due to load management game one?

791
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Speaker 2: How can you be out game one due to load management?

792
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Speaker 9: So this is the strategy? So what did everybody say about?

793
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 9: Tibbs just runs his starters into the ground right, not

794
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 9: ready for the postseason, even though they were two wins

795
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 9: away from the NBA Finals. So the strategy this year

796
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 9: is not play any players who matter?

797
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Speaker 2: Got it?

798
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Speaker 9: Sneak in as the ten seed in the play in

799
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Speaker 9: very Cincinnati. Read sort of strategy we're going to employ here.

800
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Speaker 9: See the Bulls just get in. Yeah, and then let

801
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Speaker 9: Jalen Brunson and Mitchell Robinson and company take over.

802
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Speaker 2: Before you take over here, what do you got on

803
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 2: your show today?

804
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 9: We're gonna go to Kansas City, Oh big, twelve media days.

805
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Speaker 2: Yes, Scott Springer is going to join us, love it.

806
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 9: Danny Canell is going to be on the show.

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Speaker 3: Nice.

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Speaker 9: I think we have Chris Albright today GMFC Cincinnati, which

809
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 9: I promised yesterday and screwed up because I can't read

810
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 9: an email. We'll here Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that guy. You know, Austin came up

812
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Speaker 2: with an idea because we never got Locks of the

813
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 2: Night sponsored. How about Jocks of the Night. Is there

814
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 2: a player in the association tonight that you're looking forward

815
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Speaker 2: to watching the most m for me? Game one? I'm

816
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 2: going Cooper Flag.

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Speaker 9: That's the obvious answer, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: But he's going against outside of Matas Bozalis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I want the Spurs to be good, so Wemby he's

821
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Speaker 9: on TV a lot because he is awesome to watch. Yeah,

822
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Speaker 9: I was gonna say, Douce McBride.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you're allowed. It's Jocks of the Night. The Night

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Speaker 2: doesn't anything.

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Speaker 9: Jocks of the Knight've been sitting on that one.

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Speaker 2: Are you taking me to dinner? Tone? You gotta go

827
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Speaker 2: to breakfast first. We've got a breakfast coming up down

828
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Speaker 2: on the farm right after I get the kids dropped

829
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Speaker 2: off at school the Mighty Rio brand. Things are happening

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Speaker 2: here at at iHeart. I'm sorry for being late. No,

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Speaker 2: that's fine, but an exciting day. I thought of the worst.

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Speaker 4: I thought, maybe you got can like Tony did. Yep,

833
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 4: at least you're still with us over time?

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Speaker 2: Is it sending moment email right now just to make

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Speaker 2: sure he's next the Moeger Show.

836
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Speaker 9: I thought I was going to be in New York

837
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Speaker 9: for the Marconi's and was told last.

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Speaker 2: Night, we need you here. ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati sports

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Speaker 2: station