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Speaker 1: back Monday Edition, Bumper to Bumper Afternoon, Ardvark on a

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Speaker 1: We will be here until six thirty tonight, three until

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Speaker 1: eight six. It just keeps happening, Guards And maybe this

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Speaker 1: story will not get as much attention because, much to

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Speaker 1: the chagrin of many of our soccer enthusiasts, the scandal

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Speaker 1: just it's gotten bigger, but it's never grown as exponentially

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Speaker 1: on the professional level as was predicted about what thirty

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Speaker 1: not massive. So I don't even know how many people

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Speaker 1: are aware of this story. Are you aware of this story?

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Speaker 1: I might be former MLS players Derek Jones and yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to mangle this name. Only health and Soccke

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Speaker 1: life because of betting on MLS matches. Jones had been

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Speaker 1: and previously played for Columbus. With Jones, they'd been placed

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Speaker 1: at administrative league leave a year ago, year ago and

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Speaker 1: change October twenty twenty five, and it turns out that

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Speaker 1: they not only bet on soccer, they bet on their

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Speaker 1: that advisable in any league? Even soccer? Where I know

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Speaker 1: everything and anything goes? Lifetime bans investigation found that the

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Speaker 1: players engage in extensive gambling on soccer, including on their

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Speaker 1: In one instance, both players bet on Jones to receive

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Speaker 1: a yellow cars. You can't make this up during an

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Speaker 1: October nineteen, two, twenty four match between Columbus and the

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Speaker 1: The league said it determined that the players likely shared

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Speaker 1: confidential information with other bettors about their intent to draw

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Speaker 1: yellow cards. MLS's work with jurisdictions that allow betting to

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Speaker 1: and those efforts have been successful. There are fifty two

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Speaker 1: total jurisdictions, and of those, forty one allow betting, thirty

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Speaker 1: three do not allow cards, and fifteen of those change

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Speaker 1: rules after outreach from the league. The MLS did say

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Speaker 1: there was no evidence that was identified that suggested any

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Speaker 1: So it sounds like they don't have signs they tried

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Speaker 1: to throw a match. The old prop bet though, but

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Speaker 1: the prop bet in this case the yellow card. Because

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Speaker 1: is there anything more easily under the control of an athlete, Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's not that tough to do because if you say,

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Speaker 1: and might you have to do it repeatedly? One yellow

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Speaker 1: card apparently turned everything around. So the scorge of betting

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there have been betting scandals internationally in soccer,

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Speaker 1: huge ones. But Band for Life is about as banned

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Speaker 2: He never misses the LA two steps that he never

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Speaker 3: Now, I think it just speaks to the surplus or

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Speaker 3: thirty seven million dollars to not be on their team.

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Speaker 3: He should be at a point where he was ready

434
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Speaker 3: to really you know, start and you know on a

435
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 3: on a high level quarterback play. And the fact that

436
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 3: he's available going to be available for a million dollars

437
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 3: or a million three like that, that should that should

438
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 3: support what you're feeling. I mean, the Cardinals are one

439
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 3: of the worst franchises in the NFL, and if they

440
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 3: don't think that he can help them when they've already

441
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: paid his salary for this year, as we've talked about,

442
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 3: like that, that to me, like should be sobering. But

443
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 3: it also to me depends on what you think where

444
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 3: you put him in your classification of coming here, Like

445
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 3: what's he coming here to do? Is he coming here

446
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 3: to be your franchise quarterback? Then yeah, like that is

447
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 3: scary based on what we've ups and downs that we've seen.

448
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 3: Is he here to be just another one year guy

449
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Speaker 3: that there's been many instances of over the course of

450
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Speaker 3: Viking's history to get you to bridge you to some

451
00:24:55,040 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 3: other era that they anticipate or do they Bill? I

452
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 3: think that that his presence alone will light such a

453
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Speaker 3: fire under JJ McCarthy, that his that he will in

454
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Speaker 3: essence establish an immediate bridge to JJ McCarthy as a

455
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: high level, higher level quarterback, and then they move forward

456
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Speaker 3: with him. And so like, those are lots of different

457
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 3: buckets that you could put him in. And and if

458
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 3: and if you're and if your true goal is to

459
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Speaker 3: light a fire under JJ McCarthy and get him to

460
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Speaker 3: to play at the level you want him to play at,

461
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Speaker 3: then he would then Kyler Murray is the best player

462
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Speaker 3: to get him to do that, because he's the best.

463
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Speaker 1: Guy out there.

464
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Speaker 3: If you just view him as a part of an

465
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Speaker 3: ingredient into the ongoing, continuing and hopefully accelerating development of

466
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Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy. That makes a lot of sense if and

467
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Speaker 3: if McCarthy falls short of that, you still have to

468
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 3: play the season or gets hurt, you still have to

469
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Speaker 3: play the season. And of the people who are out there,

470
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 3: I think you have you would have a higher ceiling

471
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Speaker 3: in terms of quarterback play and in terms of running

472
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Speaker 3: you know, getting Justin Jefferson the ball running this offense

473
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Speaker 3: than you would have for any of the other people

474
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Speaker 3: who are available. And so that's not to damn it

475
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Speaker 3: with saint praise, and I totally in a lot of

476
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: ways support what you're saying in terms of not being

477
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: excited about it, but it's the situation they're in, and

478
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Speaker 3: it's ultimately what you are hoping to accomplish out of

479
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Speaker 3: being him in because there's some areas where he could

480
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Speaker 3: be really effective for them.

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Speaker 1: As we've said, is there much chance that there could be?

482
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Speaker 1: As odd as this sounds a bidding war for Kyler

483
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Speaker 1: Murray because the assumption as well, he's getting a bunch

484
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Speaker 1: of money for you know, the Arizona's giving him a

485
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Speaker 1: bunch of money to just leave. He's got that, so

486
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Speaker 1: you can pay him for the minimum. But is it

487
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Speaker 1: possible there's gonna be enough teams interested in him that

488
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: there might be a team out there that says, oh,

489
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Speaker 1: we'll throw more into the kiddie. How does that work?

490
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Speaker 1: I mean, is that something that could get in the

491
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Speaker 1: way or do you think there is anybody that the

492
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Speaker 1: Vikings are we will be competing against for him.

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Speaker 3: I think the vast majority of the competition will be

494
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: for opportunity and how different teams would sell themselves to

495
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 3: him in terms of his ability to come in for

496
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Speaker 3: one year and have a great season and sort of

497
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Speaker 3: restore his reputation and be productive. I mean, in theory,

498
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: he's supposed to make thirty eight million, and anything that

499
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Speaker 3: a team pays him short of that would just be

500
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Speaker 3: deferred from from what the Cardinals are paying. So I

501
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: guess you could offer him fifty million dollars and then

502
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: you pay thirteen million and they pay the thirty seven.

503
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Speaker 3: But I don't anticipate it getting to that point. And

504
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 3: I could be wrong about that, but I don't anticipate

505
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 3: at getting to that point. I think he's teams are,

506
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: to the extent that they're competing for him, will be

507
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 3: competing with their opportunities that they're offering.

508
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Speaker 1: How soon are we going to know?

509
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: I mean, Jeremy Fowler from ESPN's other reporters have suggested

510
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 3: that he's going to take his time and there could

511
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: even potentially be visits. That's pretty rare or unheard of

512
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: in free agency. You know, it would get it would

513
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: get nerve wracking if you're a team that really wants

514
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 3: them and and you haven't gone and gotten anybody else.

515
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: You saw that last year what happened with with the

516
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers uh saga and the Giants ultimately had to

517
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: bail and signed Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston, which didn't

518
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 3: help them very much. And so yeah, but I I

519
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: hope that we know by Wednesday evening because that will

520
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 3: have given and you know, everybody chances to at least talk.

521
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: They're able to talk, according to schefter via zoom right

522
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 3: now and so hopefully and then they can start negotiating

523
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: after the Wednesday at four Eastern. But hopefully it won't

524
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Speaker 3: take too much longer than that.

525
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Speaker 1: So the assumption is the only other fallback would be

526
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Speaker 1: Gino or is that is he in what you've reported

527
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: on or believe and the folks you've talked to. Would

528
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: he be a a distant second? Is there somebody else

529
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: that still might end up being a wildcard here? Do

530
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: you think it's pretty much Kyler Murray or Bust.

531
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Speaker 3: No. And I think that that's a significant change from

532
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 3: last year when there were Daniel Jones or Bust. And

533
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: I think that they realized the mistake there, that you

534
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: know that there needs to be a process of he

535
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: doesn't work, and if he doesn't work, you go to

536
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Speaker 3: see And so I don't think Geno Smith is a

537
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 3: distant second from what I understand, But you know, I

538
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 3: think he and Kyler and that maybe first hear of

539
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: people that they would be looking at, But you know,

540
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 3: then you get into the Kirk Cousins of the world

541
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 3: as well, and I guess into the Aaron Rodgers of

542
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: the world. If that becomes a possibility. That's another one

543
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: where that the timing is unclear, but I think that

544
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 3: they will have if for some reason they want Kyler

545
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Speaker 3: Murray and he signed somewhere else, and they want Geno

546
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 3: Smith and he signed somewhere else. I guess I'd be

547
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: surprised if they've missed out on both of them. But

548
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 3: if that happened.

549
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Speaker 1: Uh, there will.

550
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Speaker 3: Be a plan to go to the next person, and

551
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 3: it might be Kirt.

552
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Speaker 1: We'll see the Let me get to a couple of

553
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Speaker 1: texts real quick, Kevin C for e sp N dot com.

554
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Speaker 1: Do we have any I mean, there are people who

555
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: believe that that another key issue with Kyler, even if

556
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: you like him or you think you know, get him

557
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: out of there, get him to a different place. He's

558
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: shown some signs, you know, sometimes there's life with that

559
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: second team. We've seen it. In the case of Darnold,

560
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't his second team, but again you know it

561
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: came later. But then the comeback also is durability with him,

562
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: which is already obviously an issue with the guy you

563
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: have here, the incumbent here in JJ McCarthy. What about

564
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: the Durac. Where do the vikings, How do the Vikings

565
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: go about factoring that in whether, even if you love him,

566
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: the chances that you're going to see him stay on

567
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: the field.

568
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 3: I think that that. I mean, they know the history.

569
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Speaker 3: They know that he has gotten hurt in a lot

570
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: of seasons, whether it's the foot injury or the ACL

571
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: or whatever else, and I think that will inform how

572
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: they build out the rest of the room, and you know,

573
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: we I think, I don't know if we talked about

574
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 3: it or not. You know, chefter mentioned Carson Wentz a

575
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago. I guess what, I anticipate them

576
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 3: having a full room of veteran quarterbacks to ensure that,

577
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: you know, whether it's Kyler or whether it's JJ, that

578
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: they're not left in a situation like they were last

579
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 3: year with Max Brosmer or a couple of years ago

580
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: with Jaron Hall, where they're starting a guy who's significantly

581
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 3: limited in what they can do at the in the

582
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: offense at that time. And so I personally expect JJ

583
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: McCarthy to be the only young, quote unquote unproven quarterback

584
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: on the roster. We'll see how that eventually plays out,

585
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 3: but my sense is that they're going to be very

586
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 3: deliberative about making sure they have a backup to a

587
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: backup to the backup to the backup, and that they're

588
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: not in a position where either they're starting somebody in

589
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: a regular season game who they can't run their offense with,

590
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: or they're getting to the end of training camp and

591
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 3: having to go out and see who's available at the

592
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 3: last second. As well. I think all of the people

593
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: talk about the decision they made with Sam Darnold and

594
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: the inability to get Daniel Jones, but there was just

595
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 3: a cascade of unfortunately timed quarterback moves or lack of

596
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: quarterback moves that happened in conjunction with that to put

597
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 3: them in the situation they were in life.

598
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Speaker 1: I think we've addressed this before. But if you if

599
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: you do sign Kyler, you sign him to be the starter, correct?

600
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Speaker 3: I think that's going to be a fascinating first question

601
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: to Kevin O'Connell or Roberts ands Gear or however that works,

602
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: because while they have not said JJ McCarthy is our quarterback,

603
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 3: they've off what the theme of every message that they've

604
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: given publicly, and we want somebody to compete. So does

605
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 3: that mean that they are going to try to suggest

606
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 3: that Kyler Murray comes in here to compete with JJ McCarthy.

607
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: Can they sign him if they tell him he's going

608
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: to have to come in and compete with JJ? Is

609
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: that a requirement that he would have to accept in

610
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Speaker 3: order to have the opportunity to play with Justin Jefferson,

611
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. We'll see. But like I I

612
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: have a like. They can obviously say whatever they want,

613
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: and they can conduct it the practices however they want.

614
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: I think you'll have a hard time finding too many

615
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 3: people who would think that if he signs here that

616
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: he isn't been the fact a starter, even if they're

617
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: not willing to say it publicly.

618
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: All right, one last item, By the way, there's a

619
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Speaker 1: part of me that says he should be asked to compete,

620
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: that he's not in an exultant enough position at this

621
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Speaker 1: point when he's rejected by a team that still has

622
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: to pay him all the money they did to be anything.

623
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Speaker 1: But you'll come in and compete, you can. But I

624
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: get your point. If you think it's vital that you

625
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: get them, you might not be able to play that

626
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: game if another team says you're going to be a starter.

627
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: But at this point I'm thinking, no, Yeah, come on

628
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: in and we'll have a circus training. You'll love it.

629
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Speaker 1: The jackals will love it. Have an open competition. And

630
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: by the way, if it goes the way they probably

631
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: think it would, Murray would probably would, we would assume

632
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: would win the job. But we'll see. Let's jump ahead.

633
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: Let's say he comes in and let's say he has

634
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: a dark life season and maybe even wins. Let's say

635
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: wins one playoff game. They have to think, go through

636
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: what they go one step further than they did with Donald.

637
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,439
Speaker 1: Can they afford to at that point do the same

638
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: thing they did with Donald and say, you know what,

639
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: too much money man. Now he's the bidding war is

640
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: going to be too great. We're not going to give

641
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: him a hundred million dollars contract on the basis of

642
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: the one good season. Can you go back to the

643
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: other JJ, Justin Jefferson with a straight face and say, hey,

644
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: love what you did with Kyler, but it's too much money,

645
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: it's too long. We don't think he's that good. We

646
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: doubt think JJ. The other JJ is ready. You'll have

647
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: to live with that. Can they do that twice in

648
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: three years with a straight face?

649
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Speaker 3: I don't see how they can do it. And I

650
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: tried to research that scenario where a top like a

651
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 3: top ten quarterback gets benched essentially in the off season

652
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: by somebody or surpassed in the off season by somebody

653
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: that's acquired from the outside, and that guy plays out

654
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 3: the season and then the original young quarterback comes back

655
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,959
Speaker 3: in future seasons and wins his job back, Like there's

656
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 3: no precedent for that. I could not find a single

657
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 3: case where teams do that. And you know, again, the

658
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 3: Darnold thing wasn't so much the money, it was that

659
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 3: they were they had JJ in their back pocket and

660
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 3: thought that he was going to be their guy. So

661
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 3: after seeing JJ for ten games and then having if

662
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray were to have a great season and then

663
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: he would be aged twenty nine, to then let him

664
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 3: go to the highest bidder as well in favor of

665
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: bringing back JJ again, Like I can't. It's hard to

666
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, so many things could change, and who

667
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: knows what the specifics will be, But from a broad sense,

668
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 3: like you already made that mistake once it got the

669
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 3: general manager fired among other reasons, and it's hard to

670
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: imagine that them if they face that exact same scenario.

671
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: They already saw JJ for ten games and they say

672
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 3: they have a lot more information about him at the

673
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 3: time of the Darnold. So you know, we, like I

674
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 3: guess we could see and I'm sure this will hit

675
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 3: all takes exposed at some point, but it is hard

676
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: to imagine if Kyler Murray ends up the starting quarterback.

677
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 3: It's not impossible that JJ McCarthy eventually becomes the starter again,

678
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 3: especially if there's like an injury and he jumps right

679
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: back in there and after a few games. But if

680
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: he sits out the entire season as a backup to

681
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray and then the idea that he would then

682
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 3: be ready to take over the job, maybe he would be,

683
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: but it just no teams have ever operated that way.

684
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: Now, most importantly, have you yet recovered from the Skippers

685
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: devastation in the to a hockey high school championship game

686
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: up three zero, up for one lose in devastating overtime,

687
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: second overtime fashion.

688
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: It was devastating. I felt terrible for the families and

689
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 3: the kids, and obviously a lot of emotions. And I

690
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: saw there was a fair bit of online discussion about

691
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 3: postgame behavior or whatnot. But it was a you know,

692
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 3: I will say this, They'll be back in Minnetonka. This

693
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 3: is not the first time they've been in the in

694
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 3: the state tournament. It won't be the last, and they

695
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: definitely got dealt with some disappointment, but they'll be back,

696
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 3: and so will I.

697
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Speaker 1: So is it fair to say that that if I'd

698
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Speaker 1: have said to Kevin ce for twenty years ago, there'll

699
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: be a moment eventually when you are that investment in

700
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: any any high school program, in any sport, to say

701
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: they'll be back. You don't looked at me and mocked

702
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: and laughed and ridiculed me.

703
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 3: Correct. I have never felt more confident in making a prediction.

704
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: You always ask me what the vikings are going to do,

705
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: and I just make it, make it up and pretend

706
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 3: that I know what I'm talking about. I know this

707
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 3: in my soul that well, hockey will be back.

708
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: No, But the bigger thing for me is your level

709
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: of investment. That's what I appreciate. That's what I'm wondering.

710
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: If you could have seen that coming twenty years ago.

711
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 3: That's in all serious and like mostly serious. Yes, I

712
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 3: would have laughed even harder than however you would have left.

713
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 3: But it is wild how you feel differently about it

714
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 3: when you know some of the families you know, and

715
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: you're you live in the community and like you've feel

716
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: the same things that the people in your neighboring area feel,

717
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: and so I do, like I'm shocked, but it's a

718
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: real thing, and like I don't know what it'll feel

719
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 3: like when I'm not I no longer have kids in

720
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: high school, and it's but I hope that I'll you know,

721
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 3: still have maintained a lot of those connections, but it

722
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: definitely feels different when you know the people involved.

723
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: Investment is good. Thank you for the time. If anything

724
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: breaks later today on Kyler, you want to call us back,

725
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: you know the hotline sounds good. Thank you. Kevin Seyffert

726
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: ESPN dot com extended version. Let's get caught up after

727
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: short pause, react to couple of his nuggets, and prepare

728
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: for Johnny Athletic. At the top of the hour, guards

729
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: he tells me the Tua to Minnesota dream has died.

730
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: There were several people who wanted us to go that

731
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: direction with the left hander. You tell me that he

732
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: has signed a one year I'm assuming another one of

733
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: those make good deals with the Atlanta Falcons.

734
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: Is that correct? That is what we're hearing. Yes, Chefty

735
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: twooted it out a little while ago.

736
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: So they've got two lefties, isn't isn't the Pennex kid

737
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Speaker 1: the eye you guy went on to greatness in the

738
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: pack not the back ten. Well, I guess back then, Washington,

739
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: you ever see Washington, they got two lefty. How often

740
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: does that happen in the national football.

741
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: I was actually just trying to think about that on

742
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: the fly. But it makes it simpler for everybody. Right,

743
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: it's simpler for the offensive line, same blind side.

744
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: The center knows which cheek is going to get touched

745
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: more than the other. Right, on the basis of the

746
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: it's very important all those things fit together. Yeah, I

747
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: can get confusing.

748
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: You don't want the wrong sweat, you don't want the

749
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: wrong cheek touch, very very true, Davy, so.

750
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: Tua is uh is gone, Trubisky still around to He

751
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 1: just signed a two year deal with the Titans. Yeah,

752
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: now I'm assuming that's not the start, but I don't know.

753
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: Maybe it is. No, they've got don't they have? They

754
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 1: got the kid, Yeah, they got the the the highly

755
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: the No, oh they have war. No, they've got war exactly.

756
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: I think somebody mentioned that Levice is available to I

757
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: used to love Levis. I was convinced that he had

758
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: all the and then I saw a couple of those

759
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: underhand passes he threw uh for interceptions, and I said,

760
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: I don't think I want to go down that road.

761
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: In all honesty is there anything better than being an

762
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: aging backup quarterball. That is the greatest gig ever. You

763
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: mentioned Keenum with Seaffert. You just go on and on

764
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: and on and on. No one ever wants you to

765
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 2: play you cause no controversy, nothing. You just act interested.

766
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. With the other quarterbacks, especially the kid quarterback, just

767
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: help them out, either you are helping them out or not.

768
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: You give the you lend to the perception that you're helping,

769
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: and they'll just keep signing you. It's another a two

770
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: year deal that could end up being eight million dollars.

771
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: And think about all the benefits to the pensions. The

772
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: four to oh one k's the health insurance.

773
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: We just saw it.

774
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: Philip Rivers just came back to get another year of

775
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: health insurance. Right, Actually, that's right, even more I think

776
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 2: it was longer, was that right?

777
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: Yeah? What a gig six' five to one? Guy, Hey,

778
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: dan another sports gambling. SCANDAL i guess Only otani can

779
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: get away with. It was he talking about the one

780
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: we started the show with or is there another one

781
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: that just? BROKE i think it's probably that. One soccer

782
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: one is the one we talked. About two players banned

783
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: for life caught not only, betting but betting on games

784
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: involving their own, teams including whether one of them would

785
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: get a yellow card and lo and behold in that

786
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: particular game or match that player. Did so if there's another,

787
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: one let me know beyond the soccer, one let me

788
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: hit this. Again this is even this is not free, agency,

789
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: well it's freegency news of a. Sort but The fox

790
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: Nine Enough Said program has announced that it has signed

791
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: free Agent bill garn to a one Show Enough said.

792
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: Contract but you know what he is going to, Be,

793
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: WELL i guess it would be try, hosting co. Hosting what's?

794
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Speaker 1: It what if you still? Three is still co? Hosting

795
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Speaker 1: is co mean? Two? NO i think codis means? Multiple?

796
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: Multiple all, Right, well, regardless he's going to be on

797
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: the panel With guardsy and. Me you know? What And

798
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: Lori fisher on This friday night's edition of The Enough Set.

799
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: Program AND i was so when When Lori fisher sure

800
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: suggested the? Idea, YEAH I i, being you, know the

801
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Speaker 1: haughty ONE i. AM i just, Assumed, well you go

802
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: ahead and, try but you're probably going to need me

803
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: Or guardsy or both sort, of you, know just grease the.

804
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: Wheels you're not going to get that done on your

805
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: own And Lrri fisher got it, done got it. Done

806
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: it was a great. Test you got it. Done it's.

807
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,959
Speaker 1: Outstanding so kind of a different look to enough said

808
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: On friday it is this necessitate we talk all. HOCKEY

809
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: i don't think. SO i think we let him branch

810
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: out a little. Bit there's plenty to talk about hockey

811
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: wise with.

812
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 3: Them.

813
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: Obviously do we dare branch out into politics With Bill?

814
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: GARRETT i. WOULDN'T i. Wouldn't, well he has a right

815
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: to an, opinion he, does but that could make things,

816
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: interesting no question about. THAT i do worry though With

817
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: laurie there's there's not THAT i don't trust. Her oh,

818
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: NO i know what you're going to. Say she's going.

819
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 4: To do the remember when the far The Chris farley

820
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 4: bit where she it's just just glombing on to just

821
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 4: just all Over bill garn so much and he starts

822
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 4: rolling his.

823
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: Eyes my, god just let me do this and get

824
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: out of.

825
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: Here.

826
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: Right i'm worried for people that don't watch THE tv,

827
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 2: show AND i know there's very few that don't because

828
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: it's a fabulous. Show Every friday night On fox. Nine

829
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: laurie has a habit whenever there's someone of high it's

830
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 2: just say a celebrity or a big, shot, yes or

831
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: someone of especially in the pop culture. World, yes she

832
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 2: does fangirl at an exceedingly high, level and that includes

833
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 2: from mascots at, games so much so that she's knocked

834
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: kids out of the way to take a picture With

835
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: crunch at A timberwolves. GAME i, think hasn't she been

836
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: banned from a couple of. Arenas if she hasn't, been

837
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: she's on a list for. Sure SO i worry about,

838
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: That like you say that she's going to farley, it

839
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: or she's going to try to finagle away to do

840
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: let's play hockey or something for her and Her Maple grove.

841
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: Moms you Know that's WHAT i worry drive The. Zamboni, yeah,

842
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: yeah we ever know, That, bill because this idea kind

843
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 2: of came out of. Nowhere SO i don't trust that

844
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 2: there's not a different. Angle yeah there could. BE i

845
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: hadn't even thought of, That but you're wearing to have

846
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: to pay. Attention we're going to show we are because

847
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: we For. Laurie it's one, shot. Right you text and

848
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 2: talked With Bill garret more than most people know and

849
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: this is her, deal this IS herr. Involvement, yeah you're,

850
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: so we're going to be left with the carnage if

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00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: it goes, Badly So i'm a little, hesitant but she's

852
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: very excited about, it and it'll be cool to.

853
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: Have it on this. Show.

854
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: Fun yeah'll be a nice look. Forward IT'S i, mean

855
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: we're hitting into the stretch run of, hockey so the

856
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: timing is perfect and, Uh i'm glad we're able to

857
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: work that. Out so we look forward to that On.

858
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: FRIDAY i don't know times. Yet regular time On fox

859
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: nine is nine, thirty gets moved around a lot depending

860
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: on sports and other, issues and Then fox nine plus

861
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: seven point. Thirty but this is hockey, season so it

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