1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: We got a lot of fun football conversations coming up here. 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: In just a little bit, we're gonna hear the dumbest 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: take in the history of football. I can't wait to 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: debut the dumbest take in the history of football for 5 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: you guys. It's yeah, that's about all I want to 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: say about it, because I I can't wait to hear 7 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: it and then to watch your reaction. 8 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 2: So we'll get to that. 9 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit Davis Webb the 10 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: Broncos running game. But before we get into that, just 11 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: for a moment, we're talking about Crestfallen earlier, the Nuggets 12 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: losing last night. They didn't drop the toothpaste, but it 13 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: felt it felt that way. 14 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: She can't put the toothpaste back in the tube when. 15 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: You especially when it's all this is on the floor, 16 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: like that would be nasty. Yeah, it's on the floor, 17 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: just you know, and do that. So Shelby, I don't know, man, Well, 18 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: what's your concern level there? 19 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: You know, Jamal Murray missing that last free throw. 20 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: They missed several free throws there in the fourth The 21 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: defense is the defense is actually my biggest concern, especially 22 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. 23 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: Well even before that, can I just say, I've tried 24 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: to tune in to watch the game, and I found 25 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 3: out that Abstlitude is trying to charge me twenty dollars 26 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 3: a month or two hundred dollars a year correct to 27 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 3: watch the Rockies game. And you know what I did, 28 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 3: Misery did not pay it, no, because it's just that's wicked. 29 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 3: Sports are supposed to be free. That's how that was 30 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 3: the idea was when we grew up. The access to 31 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: sports was not supposed to be how much can you afford? 32 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 3: I vote for you regularly. 33 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: You run that platform, you run on that platform. 34 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 3: It's just blow my mind now that, like we talk 35 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: about all the time about football, how many subscriptions you 36 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 3: need to be able to watch it basketball, to watch 37 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 3: a home game, To watch a home game, I got 38 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 3: to pay two hundred dollars a year. That just doesn't 39 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: make any sense, Like, doesn't make any sense at all. 40 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 3: But then so they need to figure that out. 41 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: Well, Sunday's game is going to be national for what 42 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: it's worth, that's not the point. 43 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: This is a long protracted dispute though, right with with 44 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: Altitude and Comcast is well that's right. 45 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 4: So now now it is okay, no, see and what. 46 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: They did, so now you have to have Comcast. 47 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: So what do you You don't have Comcast, I'm guessing no, okay, 48 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: so you can go with Fubo, which. 49 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 3: Is another streaming service you can I've just said another 50 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: twenty bucks a month. 51 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that that that is an option, or 52 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: you have to do the Altitude thing. But the Comcast dispute, 53 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: you get on direct TV as well, But that's money. 54 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 3: It's some money grab completely. But I'm not necessarily worried 55 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 3: about the Nuggets. Last night loss was a bad loss. 56 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 5: We we can. 57 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 3: You can have a bad loss every once in a 58 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: while and move on, and I think that's what you know. 59 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 3: We will see. The Nuggets are usually pretty solid and 60 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 3: hitting free throws. Obviously, Jamal Murray missed that last one yesterday. 61 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: I took pretty much seal the fate of the game. 62 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: But I believe in this team to figure it out. 63 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: I'm okay with them having their their bumps here. Compared 64 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: it at the end of the season in the playoffs, 65 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 3: you can recover from the mishaps now compared to you'ld 66 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: be scrambling if all this was happening right before the playoffs. 67 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: So you got like four and five in their last nine, right, 68 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: And I'm including that the gaming is Detroit because you 69 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: also lost on a couple of things towards the end 70 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: of the game to Detroit one o nine, one oh seven. 71 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: You gotta win against Brooklyn and winningains LA. Then you 72 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: lost to Oklahoma City, Detroit again New York. You lost 73 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: to the Knicks in double overtime. That was kind of 74 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: a fun game to watch, but obviously not the outcome. 75 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: But you lost to Cleveland by two, you lost to 76 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: La by one. 77 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 4: It's these clutch moments. 78 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: And again I said earlier in the season eight that 79 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not gonna panic really about almost anything 80 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: with the Nuggets because it's all about the postseason. 81 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 4: Get healthy, be ready for the postseason. 82 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: So I feel and I'm saying disingenuous to feel strong 83 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: to say that, but I feel a little disingenuous saying 84 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: are we concerned? 85 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: Because I'm not concerned, not yet. I don't think you 86 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: should be. This is a playoff type of team. You know, 87 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: they've been in the playoffs. How many straight years have 88 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: the Nuggets been in the playoffs? Oh yeah, I mean 89 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: exactly over and over and over again. They need to 90 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: get healthy. Yes, they need Aaron Gordon back. They're not 91 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: gonna win a championship in my opinion without Aaron Gordon 92 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: out there. And uh, and this is David Adamans first 93 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: year as a head coach. 94 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 4: Oh, here we go. 95 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: What no, I just said? Should we be worried? But 96 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 2: that that's. 97 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 4: That's different what you're trying to do in this. 98 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: When they get bounced in the first round and they're 99 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: like David Admins first. 100 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 2: Year, I'm giving reasons. So some people like, I'm not 101 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: excusing them. It would be disappointing, right, of course, it 102 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 2: would be disappointing the nugget don't win a championship. But 103 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: it's also an inexperienced head coach. So how many other 104 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,119 Speaker 2: times it's like Mike Rabel going to the Super Bowl 105 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 2: although he's he's an experienced coach. When's the last time 106 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 2: you know, a first year coach wins the championship? Has 107 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: it ever happened? 108 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 5: Was it the. 109 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 3: What's not? But what was the friend vocal? Wasn't didn't 110 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 3: they want? Well he was an experienced coach. 111 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: I mean, you give Mike McDonald is only year two. 112 00:04:58,560 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 5: What do you champion. 113 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 2: That's pretty impressive, very impressive. Yeah, but it's it's rare. 114 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 2: This is what I'm saying, I understand. And so there's 115 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 2: there's some learning on the job that David Adelman is 116 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 2: doing right now. It's probably affecting some of these close games, 117 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: but he's learning from it and he has the veteran leadership. 118 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: And there are some guys who are banged up. I'm 119 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 2: not really worried about that game. I think they're going 120 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: to be fine come playoffs. 121 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 3: I think that the biggest issue is the injuries. You 122 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 3: just need the guys to come back and get the 123 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 3: time on the floor, time together. That's what you need. 124 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 3: You need the guys to actually be able to play, 125 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 3: especially since there's a lot of new role players involved. 126 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 3: Now you know that, and that's the biggest difference. It's 127 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,119 Speaker 3: not the same role players that it has been years past. 128 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 3: This is a good amount of people that are different. 129 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 3: And you have a Peyton Watson that's getting legitim minutes 130 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: when he's healthy. So I think you need to get 131 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 3: everybody healthy. Obviously, that's a lot. It sounds a lot easier, 132 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 3: you know, than actually happening. But you need to get 133 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 3: everybody healthy, So if. 134 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: They don't end up healthy, but let's just for arguments sakes, 135 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon is not going to be available or very 136 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: slightly available. 137 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 3: I'm not going to make it very far. Okay, you 138 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 3: won't be successful if your best players are hurt. 139 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: But in that vein these young guys who are getting 140 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 2: minutes because of the injuries, you might need those guys 141 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: in the playoffs. And so, yes, the injuries suck, but 142 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: guys are getting minutes right now and jeling together in 143 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 2: ways they wouldn't if there weren't these injuries, And so 144 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,239 Speaker 2: ideally you do get healthy in time for the playoffs, 145 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: and then you've got a bench full of dudes who've 146 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: had valuable, real minutes during the season and are ready 147 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: for the playoffs to step in and make a clutch 148 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 2: shot if they want to, or if they need to, 149 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 2: or if they're asked to if somebody else gets tired 150 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: or hurt. So I think that the depth is being 151 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: is benefiting from these injuries, and it's going to show 152 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: up in the playoffs. 153 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 4: Oh well, I'll be on the same page with that. 154 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 5: Now. 155 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: You're David Adaman point, and I think it's a valid 156 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: one as much as I was giving you a hard time. 157 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: He was substituted, just your default. So so Jamal Murray 158 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: makes the first two free throws. It is my default. Sorry, 159 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: first two free throws. And then David Adelman goes full sub, 160 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: not full sub, but he's subs there, subming guys in 161 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: point nine seconds left in the game, point nine seconds 162 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: left in the game, with an opportunity to tie, and 163 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: then you're just gonna go to overtime. And so Jamal 164 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: Murray's gonna wait like a minute for all the substitutions, 165 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: and then he misses the free throw. 166 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: Mess up the mojo? 167 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: Is that on Adaman or is that on Murray? Because 168 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: Murray needs to make those free throws. 169 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: Of course, he means he needs to make. 170 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 5: Is a pro basketball player, right, needs to make the free. 171 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: Throws, of course, But you also don't want to upset 172 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: the Apple card. You also don't want to let go. Hey, 173 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: you know when you're about to when your guys in 174 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: the zone, and he said, you know, he has a rhythm. 175 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: There's a rhythm to your free throws. Right, there's a rhythm. 176 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: There's a count in your head. You're doing everything the 177 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: same way. All of a sudden you're subbing. That changes 178 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: the rhythm. You start thinking about it. Now he needs 179 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 2: to make those. He knows that he wouldn't say otherwise. 180 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: But as a coach, you start to learn where that 181 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: rhythm is. That's why Mike Shanahan was the first kick 182 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: coach to ice the kids thinking about it. He iced 183 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: his own free throw guy. He iced his own player. 184 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: But we with coaches doing that even to their own kid. 185 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: Like, sometimes it doesn't yeah right, Sometimes you ice the 186 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: kicker and he misses the first one and then he 187 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: makes the second one, so you never know. It's it's 188 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: there's a lot of mind games. But but I think 189 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: he's gonna figure it out. 190 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 4: I think so too. Oh no, you did square dancing. No, no, 191 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 4: swing dance, swing dancing? 192 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 5: You're what's swing swing dance? 193 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: I wish you could see you doing your impression of 194 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: swing dancing. 195 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 5: That's what I thought. 196 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 4: And thank you for the company. And so he had 197 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 4: something to dance to. 198 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: Do. You have like a swing dance that you have memorized. 199 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: There's certain there's certain moves you remember and that you know, 200 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: like sort of burn into the core of your memory. 201 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 4: So then when you go out. 202 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: Dancing with your lady, then you can, you know, do 203 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: this thing? And I took the dance lessons with her, 204 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: so there are things we want. 205 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 2: You must be just so much fun at weddings. 206 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 5: No, he's not letting them. Is that letting it flow 207 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 5: like that? 208 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: I wait till everybody's had at least two drinks before 209 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: I get back out of you know, on the stage 210 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: is wrapped around your head at a certain point, it's 211 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 2: you got split. 212 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 4: You split your. 213 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 2: Pants and there's a circle around you on the dance floor. 214 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: Grandma's gone home, Philly. You're gonna drop it into a 215 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: cert mix a lot there for a minute. 216 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 4: That's great. 217 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: Uh So, before we get into some some fun stuff 218 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: here at bottom the hour, say, I definitely want to 219 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: talk a little about the worst take I've ever heard 220 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: in football. 221 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 4: But you brought up something. 222 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: That we talked about just yesterday, Declan Doyle, saying that 223 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: you're not serious about championships unless you go to OTA's. 224 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: Shelby vehemently disagrees with that. I disagree with it as well. 225 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: You are on the other side of that. 226 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: I vehemently disagree with both of you, and it's simply 227 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: it's simply. 228 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 5: Because they got forced to though here we go. 229 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: No, it's it's it's just basic to me. It's it's 230 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: it's fundamental to becoming a good team is the more 231 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: time you spend together working on your craft, the better 232 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 2: you become as a unit. Now, don't be selfish. I 233 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: did learn this from Mike Shanahan. We did have to 234 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 2: come and I didn't have the option just to go 235 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: and like take classes or go to Europe or play 236 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: video games or whatever, video games. 237 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 5: And but. 238 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 2: I think that he knows what he's talking about. There's 239 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 2: a precedent to that. And you know, when I look 240 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: back on the Broncos over the last you know, I 241 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 2: moved back here in twenty twenty, started covering them, and 242 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: COVID hit and then there was this CBA directive and 243 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: Brandon McMahon were around for this. So Brandon McManus was 244 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 2: the was the rep. And they were like, stay away 245 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 2: from the facility. We don't want to be there because 246 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 2: we're going to get sick. And we and and the 247 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: quality of football was great in twenty twenty. We don't 248 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 2: need to practice thegether, we don't need to be together, 249 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: and that did not work out. You do need to 250 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: be together, you do need, and especially for receivers and 251 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 2: quarterbacks and those guys who are you know, connecting on 252 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 2: the field with the football. You need to be around 253 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: one another. It also gets you get to know the 254 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 2: guys better, you care about them more, there's more of 255 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: a there's more invested, you know what I'm saying. So 256 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: that's my opinion on it. I've never been on another 257 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: kind of team that did it differently than the Broncos 258 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 2: from when I was here at the end of the 259 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: Shanahan era, he had it dialed in. You come to 260 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: OTAs it's a ninety percent thing. We're trying to get 261 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: ninety percent. And everybody did it. Rod Smith did it, 262 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: Jake did it. Shannon did not. So that was Shannon. 263 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, Shannon Sharp that was before. Yeah, he's not a 264 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 4: not an OTA's guy. 265 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really remember. I think I got here 266 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 2: at the end of training camp in two thousand and three. 267 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 2: That was his last season, So I never spent an 268 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: off season with Shannon. But the other guys, you know, 269 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: the guys who had Super Bowl trophies or you know, 270 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: super Bowl rings, they were preaching that and so to 271 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 2: me that's what rubbed off on me. The more you 272 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: can dedicate yourself to this team, to this process, the 273 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: better off we're going to be. 274 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 3: See. The biggest difference though, between when Nate was playing 275 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 3: and when I'm like right now, is there's just as 276 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 3: good as options, if not better places to train than 277 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 3: there were back in the day when you got forced 278 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 3: to go to a ta's. But then also in that 279 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 3: same instance, that's what campus for hitting to know your teammates. 280 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 3: And now I do believe I do agree with Nate 281 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: on this one instant, on this one topic of yeah, 282 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 3: I think it is very beneficial for quarterbacks and wide receivers. 283 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 3: But that's also why you're starting to see a lot 284 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 3: of these throwing sessions all over the country where they 285 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 3: are trying to get together build the camaraderie there. I 286 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 3: just think the old OTAs as we know it are 287 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 3: not are pretty much gone. You're going to start seeing 288 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 3: pretty much if you're on your first contract, you'll be there. 289 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: After that, people kind of just figure out their own 290 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 3: own ways and they won't show up. 291 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 5: Well. Well, I'm not against I'm not against people going. 292 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 2: I Hey, I just don't want to go. I'm just 293 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: not going. Well, you're I mean, you know you've you've 294 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 2: been around a long time. You can make those decisions 295 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 2: like you have You've you've got you've got the cachet 296 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: to be able to do that. But what you just mentioned, 297 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 2: guys and going and working out in different places with 298 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 2: different trainers, Guess what you're doing in different exercise you 299 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: have different vulnerabilities, you have different weeks, is in different 300 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 2: strengths because not everybody is adhering to the same training philosophy. 301 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 2: If you have good trainers, if you have good strength coaches, 302 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: if your system at your organization is really strong, then 303 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 2: it does, in my opinion, benefit everybody to be there 304 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 2: because you're all getting the same work. 305 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: You But the whole black and white of Decklan Doyle 306 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: saying you're not serious about a championship, but that's what 307 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's hyperbolic. 308 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 3: But also on top of that OTA is that for 309 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 3: us up front they do nothing and do you don't 310 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 3: get real work until the pads come on. 311 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: For d line and O you can't do until training camp. 312 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so. 313 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 3: Waste sometime, Like because I've had it before in OTA's 314 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 3: where we're going full on, eleven on eleven and shirts. 315 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 3: How is that getting me any better as a D lineman. 316 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 3: And I know a lot of teams have kind of 317 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 3: scaled off of the full level on eleven during OTAs, 318 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 3: but that was the era of OTAs that I was in. 319 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 3: Every OTA I can remember ever going to was always 320 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: like full level on eleven. You're gonna, you know, as 321 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 3: hard as you can. You got guys that think they're 322 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 3: going to make the team that but you're not. We 323 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 3: all know there's such thing as Ota Warriors. There's the 324 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 3: guys that look great with no with no pads on, 325 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 3: and then the minute the pads come on, they disappear. 326 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 3: And you don't want to be one of those guys. 327 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. And there's a huge transition when you 328 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: go from no pads to pads. I just know that 329 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 2: I got to know my teammates, I got to connect 330 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: with my quarterbacks. I got to show what I could 331 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: do catching the football. That's a definite separation between the 332 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: guy the big boys who don't touch the football and 333 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 2: the guys who do. 334 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 6: Not. 335 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: Every sports, gay, not, everything is is literar straight, no, 336 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: you know, and if you find your way into things. 337 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: In fact, me and finding my way into radio was 338 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: as a result of being a failed musician. 339 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 5: Yeah. 340 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, so so if you didn't suck at music, you 341 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 2: would be. 342 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: Here right now. I hope you were not looking for 343 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 3: a compliment, because we will bring you even further down. 344 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 4: I'm not like, that's why I lead into it. 345 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: I'm not even like, yeah, we had some successes, ye know, 346 00:14:58,480 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: we opened Forever through one time. 347 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 4: You know, I don't even do that. I just say, no, 348 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 4: we were probably not very good, and I acknowledge that. 349 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 4: I'm grateful that I get to do. 350 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: This Father of mine, that's a good track. 351 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: R Alex Sakis, by the way, was not very kind. 352 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: He was, yeah, but he's also like really sick now, 353 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: So I don't want to like Pylon because he's you know, 354 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: he's dealing with some stuff. 355 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 5: But he wasn't a nice guy. 356 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: He was not a nice guy. 357 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 3: From Bring of Death on you like you are who 358 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 3: you are. Your legacy is your legacy. If you're not 359 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 3: in a nice guy, you're not a nice guy. It's 360 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 3: not going to change when you're dying, all fair. 361 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: But when you're a young musician growing up listening to 362 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: again in that band, you have this in your mind 363 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: of like, this guy's got to be so cool, right 364 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: because he wrote all these songs that I listened to 365 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: and that I learned how to play, because I like 366 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: learned a lot of everclear songs and I would cover 367 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: them as I'm like a teenager learning music. 368 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: So it was like a pretty awesome thing to hear 369 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: that you're gonna open up for it, and you're like 370 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 2: so excited to meet this guy that you like shared 371 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: all the and then you're like, hey, rt, he's like, 372 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: get away from me, man. He The first impression was 373 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: so they were late. Nobody cares about this, but very quickly. 374 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: So they were late setting up like they whatever reason 375 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: why they got to the venue late, I can speculate, 376 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: but I won't. And we'd gotten there hours earlier. We'd 377 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: done our sound check. This was like the biggest moment 378 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: of our career. We were so excited. We had done 379 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: like a perfect sound check. We went back to the hotel. 380 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: You know, we're just chilling, you know, just getting excited 381 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: talking about the set list of all the stuff. 382 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: That you dream about as a musician. 383 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: And he got there and he started yelling at everybody, 384 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: and they took all of our equipment and stuffed it 385 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: in the corner, like deconstructed our drums, like, they just 386 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: trashed all of our stuff, threw it off to the side, 387 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: and so when we got back to the venue, we're like, 388 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: where's all our stuff? They're like, oh, Art was so 389 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: angry that your stuff was on the stage that he 390 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: had a stuff it. 391 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 4: In the corner over there. And I was like, mute, Okay. 392 00:16:58,800 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: Did you go confront him? 393 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 4: Well, no, no. 394 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter who you are. Stand up for yourself 395 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 2: in And I was an opener. 396 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 5: It doesn't matter. It does not matter. 397 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 3: And I especially being in an NFL for so long, 398 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 3: it bothers me when people do stuff like that because 399 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 3: you teach the janitor with the same respect you to 400 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 3: the CEO. It does not matter who you are. You 401 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 3: treat them with respect. And I hate hearing stories about 402 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 3: people who think they're bigger than what they are. At 403 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 3: the end of the day, we're just human no matter 404 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 3: how much money or how much notoriety you have. We're 405 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 3: just human. So be human and interact and be cool 406 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 3: with people. It makes no sense. 407 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: I one hundred percent agree with you, But that's not 408 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: that's like idealistic. 409 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: That's not it. 410 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: You guys both know that's not how the world actually operates. 411 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 2: All the time. 412 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 4: You're right, should be like that. 413 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: Like, for example, you got a chance to work with 414 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: Rod Smith, who's consummate professional, a guy that did care 415 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: about bringing in bringing in the young guys and working 416 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: with them. But you guys can both tell me, and 417 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: I know you could too as well. There are plenty 418 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: of examples of other receivers. Even Dave Is sat in 419 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: that and said when they would bring in young receivers 420 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: who were there to take his job, he wasn't exactly 421 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 1: the most giving of his time to those guys because 422 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: he knew they were okay. I'm saying some players are 423 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: to some are, some aren't, some aren't. 424 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 5: Because he still got a beatbe like that. 425 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 3: I can still help you and give you all the 426 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 3: tips and give you everything possible, but we still gonna 427 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 3: go out there and play ball. And every time I 428 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 3: bet on myself when it comes to the ball, I've 429 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 3: never failed. 430 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 4: Man, It's fair. 431 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,719 Speaker 1: But like I said, you guys both have seen examples 432 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: where that doesn't always. 433 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: Work there and Rod knew what it'd take to knew 434 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: what it took to win, and he knew he needed 435 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: everybody playing at their best, and he knew that. You know, 436 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 2: there might be a practice squad receiver here that starts 437 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: the season on the practice squad, but by week ten 438 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: to eleven because of injuries, this guy's on the field 439 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: in the two minute drive might have to make a 440 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 2: catch to help us win this game. Or he might 441 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 2: have to understand that this backside block on this safety 442 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 2: could spring our running back for a touchdown. And so 443 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: Rod was, you know, always trying to give us a 444 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 2: little buggets of wisdom on and off the field. What 445 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: in the same receiver room Ed McCaffrey was in the 446 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 2: same room. He was on the end of his career. 447 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 2: He wasn't going out of his way to do the 448 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: same stuff. He wasn't being mean to us, but he 449 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 2: wasn't pulling me aside and saying, hey, Nate, think about this, 450 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 2: think about this. So it is a different mentality, right, 451 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 2: and some guys have it and some guys don't. 452 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, they do, but you know, it's that's the game, 453 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 3: and it's different personalities that come with it. Some people 454 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 3: are a little bit more threatened than others when it 455 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 3: comes from the upp and comers coming and take their spot. 456 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 3: But you got to be confident in yourself. That's the 457 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 3: only way you're going to be able to survive in 458 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 3: this league or anywhere in life, you have to believe 459 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 3: in yourself. They do some type of confidence in yourself, 460 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,719 Speaker 3: because that's the one thing I feel like everyone can 461 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 3: pick up on is if someone doesn't actually believe or 462 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 3: the people that aren't confident in theirself and then people 463 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 3: started to pick on them. 464 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 2: Ryan, what are you gathering from this? If you had 465 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 2: stormed into their dressing room, punched him in the face, 466 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 2: slapped him, you'd be at the MTV Video Music. 467 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 4: Awards, right, legendary moment. Well, the one way you mentioned 468 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 4: they still got to beat you. 469 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: The one way I did get my I guess win 470 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: was they wrote an article about the show. Somebody like 471 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: wrote an article about the show, and so that we 472 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: out played them. That was my win, and that that 473 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: was like the thing like from then on, I was like, 474 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: you know what, I We're not ever going to be 475 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: as big as ever clear, but for one day we. 476 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 4: We had that. 477 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 2: So knows because he is a masculine word, even though 478 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 2: it has. 479 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: This is hard to take his opinion on things with 480 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: the once I wanted to ketchup. The ketchup thing really 481 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: really sent me. And last night is disgusting and it's 482 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: fine to have your own tastes sort of maybe, but 483 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: the not acknowledging the benefit of ketchup and French fries 484 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: together and knowing what that is meant to our culture 485 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: movement to the world and how it's it's it's it's 486 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: quite literally world piece. It's solved world piece of times 487 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: that I can't stand for. 488 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, what do you mean mustard? It's either mustard 489 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 3: or ranch or get out of here on fries. Yeah, 490 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 3: I hate ketchup on. I don't like ketchup in general, 491 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 3: So I'm I don't like you're. 492 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 2: In the minority. I think with that, I think most 493 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 2: most Americans you know who grew up on French fries, hamburgers, 494 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 2: hot dogs. Ketchup is a staple. That's why it's in 495 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 2: every single diner at your table. Lost or mustard, No, 496 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: it is, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not pooping on 497 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: mustard here. 498 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 4: You shouldn't. 499 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 5: Mustards amazing. 500 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 2: I'm down like mustard. But ketchup is spicy, brown, is 501 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 2: more universe, is more versatile than mustard. Versatile. 502 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that at all, except if some nasty 503 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 3: people put ketchup on steak. That's just attempted versatility and 504 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 3: that's disgusting. 505 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I to put ketch up on eggs before, yeah, 506 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 2: before I started putting to the show. 507 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 5: We have to get rid of Nate because that. 508 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 2: Is you never put ketchup on eggs before? Have you 509 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 2: put ketch up on anything? Would you put it on anything? 510 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 5: No? 511 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 2: Okay, So this is this conversation with you is a 512 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 2: little difficult because you just like. 513 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 5: I hate I hate ketchup with a. 514 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 2: Passion idiot, what a loser. 515 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 5: I appreciate. 516 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: Who would you guys consider is the best wide receiver 517 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: in the NFL all time, of all time? 518 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: It's Jerry Rice. 519 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 4: It's Jerry right, yeah, yeah, Well I. 520 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 3: Don't like the rush of those type of you know, well. 521 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: Who else is it? 522 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 3: Ran? 523 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 5: Well, I had to think about it. 524 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 3: I was like, you know, obviously, Randy I think by 525 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 3: far is probably one of the most talent, like physically 526 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 3: talented receivers we've really ever seen. But obviously Jerry Rice. 527 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 3: The proof is in the state as you can't really 528 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 3: go against what he's done, especially in the era when 529 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 3: they weren't even throwing the ball like that. So for 530 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 3: him to put numbers up like that that I doubt 531 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 3: really ever even get touched in a time when. 532 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 5: They're running the ball in first second down. Yep. 533 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 3: Like it's tough to go against Jerry Rice in that situation. 534 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 2: I completely agree. 535 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: It's like a no brainer for most people, except for 536 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: this one Internet personality who said that Jerry Rice wouldn't 537 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: even make an NFL team in today's NFL. 538 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 4: I'm serious now now, before is. 539 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 3: That who said, well, if we think about the argument, 540 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 3: don't buy right now, If we think about the argument, 541 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 3: it's not he wouldn't because they wouldn't draft him. He 542 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 3: wouldn't get a shot because of all they care about 543 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 3: is forty times and verbical. 544 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 4: Clearly that's his argument. 545 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 3: If a receiver ran a four to seven, you would 546 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 3: not d nobody would touch him. 547 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: He didn't run a four to seven, and he was 548 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: he was very productive in college. He would have gone 549 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: into camp and he would have done what he did Jerry. 550 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 2: Jerry would have been just as good in this era. 551 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 3: If I'm not saying that. My issue is I don't 552 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 3: think he would have got a shot. 553 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 2: What Jerry would have got a shot? 554 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: So so you agree with this guy before I even 555 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: play the audio because this is the crux of his arguments. 556 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: The crux of his argument is a four seven wouldn't 557 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: get a shot in the NFL. 558 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 5: No, it wouldn't. 559 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 3: And we know that we've seen receivers run a slow 560 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 3: forty time and not get a shot. 561 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 5: I get it. 562 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 3: It's Jerry Rice, and so it's a it's a very 563 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 3: inflammatory conversation. But the NFL has changed, the scouting process 564 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 3: has changed. They care about speed. That that is it. Literally, 565 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 3: we see guys jump first round that should not be 566 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 3: drafted just because they're fast. 567 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 4: All right, Well, I'm gonna play this really quick. 568 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: I thought of you guys both because you guys do 569 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: a lot of digital stuff now and we live in 570 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: a world where you gotta write, you gotta put together 571 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: a third thirty second to mi long clip that is inflammatory, 572 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: can get as much information as out there as possible 573 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 1: and get people clicking on it. So this guy, congratulations, 574 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: you got us to buy here what he said. 575 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: Jerry Rice would have to be a tight end. 576 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 6: And twenty twenty five, Jerry Rice ran a four to 577 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 6: seven one forty. Just to put into perspective how slow 578 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 6: that is. Taran Armstead is six foot five three hundred 579 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 6: and three pounds. He runs a four to seven one 580 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 6: forty as an offensive lineman. Harold fannin junior is a 581 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 6: six foot four, two hundred and forty five pound tight end. 582 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 6: He runs a four to seven one forty yard dash. 583 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 6: There's not a single NFL team today where Jerry Rice 584 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 6: could walk onto that team and be their number one 585 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 6: wide receiver. It doesn't matter how good your route running is. 586 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 6: If you can't separate from the cornerback, you're not getting 587 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 6: the football. Today's cornerbacks run four threes and four to four, 588 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 6: so they're two stons faster than Jerry Rice's. Mary Rice 589 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 6: would never get open. Jerry Rice would never separate, and 590 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 6: Garry Rice would never have made a name for himself. 591 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 6: Who was Everyone in this room is now dumber for 592 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:15,479 Speaker 6: having listened to it. 593 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 4: He is an Internet guy named Eddie Lynx. 594 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: So there's a few things here. Jerry Rice did get 595 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 2: open on Deon Sanders frequently, had had some great battles, okay, 596 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 2: and Deon Sanders is one of the fastest corners and 597 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 2: one of the best athletes we've ever seen. So that 598 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 2: the idea that you can't get open on a guy 599 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 2: who's faster than you is hogwash. Jerry Rice's route running 600 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 2: would get him open. But the forty thing. Back when 601 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: Jerry Rice was running the forty, they didn't train to 602 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 2: run the forty. They didn't do their forty mechanics. Shelby 603 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 2: will tell you these kids go the minute they play 604 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 2: their last game of college football, they'd go to another 605 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 2: city to train to run the forty. If Jerry Rice 606 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 2: had done that, he would have run a lot faster 607 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 2: than a four to seven one. They didn't prioritize the 608 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 2: forty there. Okay, I was in camp with Jerry in 609 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 2: his very last camp, forty three years old. I think 610 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 2: it was two thousand and five. He was here and 611 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 2: Champ Bailey was at the height of his powers. Okay, 612 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 2: Jerry was done. Jerry could not get off the press 613 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 2: and he got cut because he was too old. But 614 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 2: Jerry did get off the press with Dion. He did 615 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 2: get off the press with a lot Darryl Green guys 616 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 2: were speedsters and had an incredible career because he was 617 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 2: a diligent, effective route runner and he was plenty fast 618 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 2: to get open against anybody who's covered him. 619 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I just I'm I looked it up. 620 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 3: I looked it up because I wanted to make sure 621 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 3: that the forty time was correct. And now like, well, 622 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 3: I get what Nate saying, but they didn't run the 623 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 3: forty But you know, obviously that can add a little 624 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 3: bit on. But everyone's saying he you know, while everyone 625 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 3: he was saying four to seven one and says a 626 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 3: lot of accounts keep saying he suggested he ran in 627 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 3: the four fives, you would get drafted still in the 628 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 3: four fives. You would still have an opportunity to play 629 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 3: in the four fives. My argument is purely based off 630 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 3: of if he ran a four seven one, because in 631 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 3: today's game, they wouldn't even give him a shot. 632 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 5: And today, but like, why is. 633 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 2: It that Shelby wouldn't it be like, but you might 634 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 2: not get drafted high. You'll end up on a team 635 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 2: and in a camp, and then you'll get to prove 636 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 2: yourself at training camp. 637 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 5: You might end up. 638 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 3: As just a camp body, or you might just honestly 639 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 3: end up as a rookie mini camp invite running that speed. 640 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 3: And I'm not it's nothing against Jerry Rice. I'm just saying, 641 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 3: with the way the game is, today's no way he 642 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 3: gets drafted and then honestly, he might get he would 643 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 3: be like a rookie mini camp invite guy, and then, like, 644 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 3: as I'm saying, if his time was actually a four 645 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 3: to seven one. Now, now, obviously you guys all know 646 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 3: the wonders and the great things that Jerry Rice did, 647 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 3: and that's why I'm trying to tell you, And this 648 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: is one of the bigger argument, is that the speed 649 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 3: system its flawed. 650 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, we read like we look. 651 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 3: At speed and assume that makes you a good receiver 652 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 3: when that's not the case. I just remember John Ross 653 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 3: going to the Bingle. 654 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 4: Russ great example speed overall something like that. 655 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 3: Something like that great speed literally shot up because of 656 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 3: his speed and then really never not much materialized after that. 657 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 3: And so I'm just saying that we put too much 658 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 3: emphasis on speed of a receiver, especially speed of receiver 659 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 3: with no clothes on. 660 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 2: But no pads on, naked receivers sprinting down the field. 661 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 3: Yes, it's never they sense to me, like, why do 662 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 3: we running forty with no pads on? Because you're never 663 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 3: ever going to get judged for your forty times, Like 664 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 3: you're never gonna get judge in the. 665 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 5: Game with no pads on. 666 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 2: Guys, Jerry had three hundred and one receptions, four thousand, 667 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,959 Speaker 2: six hundred ninety three yards and fifty touchdowns in college. 668 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 2: He's getting on a team, he's gonna get drafted with 669 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 2: those kinds of numbers, He's gonna get an oportunity in camp, 670 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 2: and he would have done what he did. Now, what 671 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 2: do you have the same sort of production now? Maybe not, 672 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 2: because you know, teams spread the ball around a lot. 673 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 2: You know, it is even though it's more pass happy now, 674 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: and I would argue that it's getting a little bit 675 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 2: less so in the last couple of years. Show but 676 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 2: you tell me because you're because you're out there. But 677 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 2: I feel like the era of the the passing game 678 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 2: in the NFL has curtailed a little bit ever since COVID. 679 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 2: COVID was like the high water mark for all the 680 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 2: passing yards. Ever since then, it's been ticking down. 681 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 3: Well because these pass russers are getting the way too 682 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 3: athletic and way too good. So the only way it's 683 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 3: to stifle them is to run the ball. And you're 684 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,959 Speaker 3: so you know, obviously the game repeats itself. You know, 685 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 3: you go through the you know, run on first and 686 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 3: second down, pass on third down. During the Jerry Rices time. 687 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 3: Now it's his pass they got when they went past 688 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,959 Speaker 3: Happy for a good ten fifteen years. Now we're getting 689 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 3: back to If you look at the teams we watched 690 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, they were run first teams. Seattle and 691 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 3: New England were both run first teams. You're starting to 692 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 3: see us get back to that, and that's really more 693 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 3: of how the game should be played in the first once. 694 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 4: I think these are all great points. 695 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: I think the one that really resonated with me is 696 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: is maybe how we have maybe jumped the shark a 697 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: bit on analytics and maybe invested too much of that, 698 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: because his argument is entirely like, hey, if you were blind, 699 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: if I just told you he runs a four to 700 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: seven one and you never got a chance to actually 701 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: watch him play, then you say to yourself before seven one, 702 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: my god, that guy can't he can't stay with these 703 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: cornerbacks that are running four threes and four fours. But 704 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: that's the thing is you get to you get to 705 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: watch these guys play, and that's the beauty of watching 706 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: Jerry Rice in college. And then of course we all 707 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: get a chance to watch him as a pro that 708 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,239 Speaker 1: doesn't look like a guy that has a hard time 709 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: separating that. That's not what you get away from when 710 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: you watch him. And so i'd say, for and I 711 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: think you brought up the mechanics of the forty and 712 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: what it was then and versus what he probably actually ran. 713 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: And I've heard that as well. He's more like a 714 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: four or five guy. Well, Cortland Sun's a four or 715 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: five guy, you know, And there are times he maybe 716 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: struggles a little bit. Regular time, he seems to do 717 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: just fine, and he's obviously a productive wide receiver. Jerry 718 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: Rice is obviously the greatest of all time for a 719 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: multitude of reasons. But if he was able to let's 720 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: just for argument sake, it's a camp invite. You get 721 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: your foot in the door, and we see guys that 722 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: get a chance to produce, they do. And Jerry Rice 723 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: would have done that. He would have had a great career, 724 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. 725 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 2: None of the best receivers in the history of the 726 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 2: game were the fastest guys on their team. Maybe Randy 727 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 2: Moss and that's it. Jerry Rice not the fastest guy 728 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 2: and his team. Larry Fitzgerald to o t O was 729 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 2: really fastest straight line. But he, you know, once he 730 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 2: got moving, but he wasn't the fastest guy out there. 731 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 2: Isaac Bruce, Tim Brown, Steve Smith, Marvin Harrison, and Reggie Wayne. 732 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 2: These are route runners. These are guys who have a 733 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 2: feel for zones. These are guys who know how to 734 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 2: get open and have really good hands and football instincts. 735 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 2: That's what being a receiver is about. It's not about 736 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 2: who is the fastest guy. And I agree with Shelby 737 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 2: that the scouting sort of approach to receivers has drifted 738 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 2: away from that. Who are the guys who are going 739 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 2: to be reliable in the fourth quarter to snag that ball. 740 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 2: The Broncos needed a guy like that in the AFC Championship. 741 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 5: Here we go. 742 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it, No, you want to 743 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: say it. They dealt Devon. 744 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: I like Davon Vailey, and I thought it bit him 745 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: in the in the end because I thought he was 746 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 2: a good player. And you know, they dealt him and 747 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 2: they could have used him. 748 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 5: At the end they needed. 749 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 4: Oh my god. 750 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm glad you guys can find some 751 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 2: common ground. Finally, finally we were agreeing. 752 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: Over here by myself, my flannel Okay, well, Devon Bley, 753 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: Devon Vailey side. 754 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 2: It's it's the reliability of a guy who knows where 755 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 2: to be and knows how to use his hands and 756 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,719 Speaker 2: cash a football in the moment of truth. That's what 757 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 2: you need on your football team. And that's why Jerry 758 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 2: Rice was so successful because he was a reliable pass 759 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 2: catcher who worked his butt off and was always in 760 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 2: the right spot and had reliable hands. 761 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: Is that what you are looking for this offseason, like specifically, 762 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: like if you're to design the player that you want 763 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: either to improve the wide receiver room or the tight 764 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: end room. 765 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 2: Is like, hey, you low drop percentage, great hands. 766 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and that's why you know speed not like we're 767 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: talking about speed like. 768 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 2: That's not no, no, no. I mean Marvin Mims is 769 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,399 Speaker 2: one of the fastest dudes out there. They haven't figured 770 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 2: out a way to use them. You know, Like the 771 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 2: speed thing, you can use that once or twice a game, 772 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 2: that's it. When you're really gonna take the top off 773 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 2: and hit a guy over the top once or twice 774 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 2: a game, that's it. The rest of the time, you 775 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 2: need to find ways to get open and be reliable. 776 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 2: You need to catch the ball in traffic and the 777 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 2: Broncos you do need a guy like that, But I 778 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 2: also don't want to throw in the towel in this 779 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 2: receiver room. I think these guys can be unlocked in 780 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 2: a way they weren't this sure. Yeah, And I think 781 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 2: Davis it's gonna look a little different with Davis Web. 782 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 2: I think it might be better for them because I 783 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 2: think that there's going to be more rhyme and reason 784 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: to the offense now. I hope then with Davis Web 785 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 2: out there, I don't see him doing as many of 786 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 2: the little swing pass like receiver screen stuff that didn't 787 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 2: seem to work very well, you know. I hope that 788 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 2: they attack down field more with more kind of traditional 789 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 2: receiver routes, some mirrored stuff to get guys running down 790 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 2: the scene, get guys doing comebacks in breaking stuff, easy stuff, 791 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 2: basic slants, things like that that receivers love to run. 792 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 2: That gets you going in the right direction, and it's 793 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 2: pitch and catch. It's the stuff that we love to do. 794 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 2: And if when I'm watching this offense last season, this 795 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 2: is not a receiver's dream to play in this offense. 796 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 2: They threw the ball more than anybody in the league, 797 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 2: but Courtland Sutton barely got over a thousand yards and 798 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 2: he is the leading receiver. This is not like the 799 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 2: destination spot for a wide receiver right now in my opinion, 800 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 2: and we need to change that.