1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Get Connected with Nina del Rio, a weekly 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: conversation about fitness, health and happenings in our community on 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: one oh six point seven light FM. 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to Get Connected in the new year, 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: are you looking for a new you? According to our guest, 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 2: lasting change takes more than intention. It takes a sustained 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: practice of making conscious choices that have impact. It is 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: a tall order we will drill down with our guest. 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 2: You Pen trained positive psychologist John Rosenberg, author of the 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: book A Guide to Thriving The Science behind breaking old Patterns, 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: reclaiming your agency and Finding Meaning. John Rosenberg, thank you 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: for being on Get Connected. 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 3: Well, thank you for having me Nina, and please go on. 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 3: You can keep going. That was a beautiful introduction. Thank you. 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. John Rosenberg is co founder of Anther, 16 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: a firm dedicated to transforming uncertainty into possibility. He previously 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: he previously led high Impact I'm Editing. He previously led 18 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: high impact initiatives at Walmart, Procter and Gamble in the 19 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: Go and Go Bolt. John hold An, MBA from Cornell 20 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 2: and a Master of Applied Positive Psychology from the University 21 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 2: of Pennsylvania I didn't know there was such a degree, 22 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: but it sounds fascinating. This book begins John with a 23 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: list of the hardships that defined your early life, and 24 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: there are many of them, deaths of loved ones, sickness, 25 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: leaving Venezuela for Canada, and yet you managed to find 26 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: what would be defined as professional success, and then you 27 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: gave it all up. 28 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 3: So I think, first, let's kind of define what success 29 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 3: is and what thriving is. Right the book, it's called 30 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: a Guide to Thriving, not a guide to success. So 31 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 3: I think the way we define success mostly in our 32 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 3: societies by extrinsic measures, so the main ones being money, status, 33 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: and power. Those are three big definitions of success that 34 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: we often hold ourselves to account to. And what I 35 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: found is that the more I got of those as 36 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: I climbed the corporate ladder, the less fulfilled I felt 37 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: and the less meaning I found in my life. So 38 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 3: after being in corporate for about two decades, I decided 39 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: to join a startup. And as I was in this startup, 40 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: I was working really really hard, you know, like the 41 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 3: fourteen to fifteen hour days, seven days a week, and 42 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 3: we were doing really well. We did a series b 43 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: race of one hundred and fifteen million dollars, and I 44 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 3: was like, I've made it. I've got the title, I've 45 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: got the big team. Now we have all this money 46 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 3: that we can grow the business with. So as I 47 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 3: was working on the expansion of the business, I ended 48 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 3: up traveling to Los Angeles to buy a couple of warehouses, 49 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 3: and on the way back to Toronto. I'm based out 50 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 3: of Toronto, I came down with COVID, so a couple 51 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: of days later, I was on a technical call on 52 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 3: via zoom from my home office and the call got 53 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 3: really really heated up. At one point, I said I 54 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 3: can't do this anymore, and I just closed my laptop 55 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 3: and turned off my phone. And as I left my 56 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 3: home office, I heard my two kids, who at the 57 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: time must have been nine and six, playing in the basement. 58 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 3: So I went downstairs and they were sitting on the 59 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 3: floor playing with Legos. And it wasn't like they were 60 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 3: building a Lego. They just had, like, you know, all 61 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: the blocks thrown on the floor and they were just 62 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 3: building random stuff. So I just sat down with Charlie 63 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: and with Jack and we started building stuff together and 64 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: I did that for about an hour and in that 65 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: hour I realized Nina that I was just a shell. 66 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 3: I was, you know, even if they saw me at 67 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: breakfast or at dinner, I wasn't actually present. I wasn't 68 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 3: engaging in questions, I wasn't interested in what anybody else 69 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 3: had to say because I was so hyper focused on success. 70 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 3: So that night, after we put the kids to bed, 71 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 3: my wife Adriana, I was sitting in my favorite chair 72 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 3: and Adriana walks in and she says, John, are you okay? 73 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 3: And I said, I think I'm done. And over the 74 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 3: next two weeks, I entangled myself from the company, decided 75 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: to start my own consulting firm, found that Anthor, and 76 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: eventually went back to school and got my master's in 77 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: applied positive psychology, and it led me to write this book. 78 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 3: So that's kind of like the origin story. Now, of course, 79 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 3: it sounds great in media to tell that story and 80 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 3: say that was my epiphany, but there were years before 81 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 3: I got to that point. 82 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: It does sound also like you're someone who's coming from 83 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: and I mean this as from a practical perspective, You're 84 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: coming from a position where you had the option the 85 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: ability to change your circumstances. You are not living in 86 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 2: sort of this survival mode of paycheck to paycheck. And 87 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: I know you talk about survival mode as a different 88 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: thing as well, but what are we able to control 89 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: when we're always sort of trying to make ourselves into 90 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 2: dispensable just to stay in the door. 91 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think first let's kind of define survival 92 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: mode a little bit for folks who are listening. There's 93 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: two types of survival mode. There's a cute survival mode 94 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 3: if you're in a war zone, and I grew up 95 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 3: in Caracas, Venezuela, and we can talk a little bit 96 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 3: more about what's happening there. But survival mode was really 97 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 3: helpful for me. If you're in a war zone, if 98 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 3: you're in a dangerous place and where your physical safety 99 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 3: it's actually at risk, or like many folks living paycheck 100 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: to paycheck and you can all cover your basic needs, 101 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: survival mode is a requirement because it helps you survive. 102 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 3: What I'm arguing for in the book is that in 103 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 3: not acute states, what ends up happening is that we 104 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 3: fall into this chronic state of survival mode, this state 105 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: where we feel like our life is at risk. You know, 106 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: we get an email from our boss, and we suddenly 107 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 3: feel like we're going to get fired the next day, 108 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 3: and in two weeks we're going to be living under 109 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 3: a bridge. What I'm suggesting the book is that that's 110 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 3: not necessarily the case. So even in the direst of circumstances, 111 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: we can find little spaces to go from survival mode 112 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 3: to thriving. 113 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: And what I. 114 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 3: Suggest in the book is that just as we define 115 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 3: success as money, power and status, thriving, I define it 116 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 3: as agency, meaning and connection. And by connection I mean 117 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 3: social connection with other people, but also connection with pets 118 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 3: or with animals, with nature, or with the transcendental. It 119 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 3: could be with God or whatever it is that you 120 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 3: believe in. So as you can see, one is very 121 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 3: extrinsically based and the other one is intrinsically based. And 122 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 3: Victor Frankel in his book Man Search for Meaning, you 123 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: know he's as he was in the Nazi concentration camps. 124 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,799 Speaker 3: He suggested that even in the direst of human circumstances, 125 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 3: there's always a small space where we can choose our 126 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 3: own attitude. Now this is not to discard Nina all 127 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: of the terrible systemic injustices and inequities and on fairness 128 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 3: and difficulties that occur. But what I'm trying to suggest is, 129 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: what is that little space where that's where agency lives. 130 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 3: What is that little space where we may actually have 131 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: a choice. 132 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: My guest is John Rosenberg, author of the book A 133 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: Guide to Thriving, The Science behind Breaking Old Patterns, Reclaiming 134 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: your Agency and finding meaning. You're listening to get connected 135 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: on one oh six point seven light FM im Nina 136 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: del Rio. There's also this way we're built. I think 137 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: that was really interesting. When you talk about the six 138 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: thousand thoughts we have each day, they flow in clusters, 139 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 2: they become worms that are more likely to lean negative. 140 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: We're already predetermined to sort of drill down on things 141 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: that aren't good. 142 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so by some research suggests that we are exposed 143 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: to between ten and one hundred million bits of information 144 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,679 Speaker 3: every second, and of those ten to one hundred million 145 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: bits of information that we're exposed to, we only you know, 146 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: we receive only a few and only call it ten 147 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 3: to forty actually come into our conscious awareness. So we 148 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: are exposed to all of this information in the world 149 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 3: around us, and we tend to believe only those little 150 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 3: bits that show up, and we have this this thing 151 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,719 Speaker 3: called negativity bias, which was really helpful when we were 152 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: living in the savannah. Right if you hear her are 153 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 3: rustling the bushes, it was useful to say, that's a 154 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 3: saber tooth tiger, so I got to run. That was 155 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 3: very helpful. But today most of the threats that we 156 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 3: face are psychological, not physical. So what I'm suggesting, and 157 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 3: when it comes to thoughts specifically, is that we can 158 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: if we notice our thoughts, if we can actually create 159 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 3: awareness of our thoughts thoughts and create a little bit 160 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 3: of distance from it, we can choose how we engage 161 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 3: with those thoughts. And if we choose how to engage 162 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 3: with those thoughts, we can try and temper the negativity bias. Now, 163 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: the big idea here, Nina, for me, was when I 164 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 3: finally when the pin drop for me is that I 165 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: am not my thoughts, and neither are you. We often 166 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: fuse ourselves with our thoughts, and we believe that they're 167 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 3: one and the same thing, and then we believe our 168 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: thoughts as if they were absolute truths. So what I'm 169 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 3: suggesting is that maybe if we challenge that, if we say, 170 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 3: where can this be? Where can I find some evidence 171 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 3: that my opposed this, or how can I challenge this thought? 172 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 3: That can be a really powerful skill set. And by 173 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 3: the way, it doesn't happen overnight. It's something that we 174 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 3: build with practice. 175 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 2: You have to come up with strategies. The book has 176 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: lots of these. It's interesting to me the ideas of 177 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 2: perfection and caretaking and people pleasing. What is kind of 178 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 2: the core of those behaviors and strategies and what is 179 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 2: the alternative? 180 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, So one of the things that I found as 181 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 3: I was researching and doing the work for the book, 182 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 3: I was looking at core beliefs, and beliefs are at 183 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 3: the center of my thesis in the book. And what 184 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 3: I'm suggesting is that a lot of the things that 185 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 3: we take as facts or truths are actually just beliefs. 186 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 3: And a lot of times those beliefs are not even conscious. 187 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 3: They're kind of like broken records that run in the 188 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 3: background and they filter the way we see the world. 189 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: So if we have a negative, gray belief, we will 190 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: look at the world through that great lens, and that 191 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 3: can be incredibly challenging. 192 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 2: Memories are the same way we actually color our own memories. 193 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 3: Yes, And as a matter of fact, research and memory 194 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 3: now is telling us that every time we pull a memory, 195 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 3: we infuse it with our current experience. So for the 196 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 3: longest time, we're like, well, I remember it, and I 197 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 3: know this to be truth because I was there. But 198 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 3: the fact is that when you see even car accidents 199 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 3: or whatever it is that happens, and you interview several witnesses, 200 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 3: everyone has a different perspective and what you may believe 201 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 3: it's true may not be true for the next person. 202 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 3: So I'm trying to challenge this whole notion of holding 203 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 3: truths and seeing things as black and white, and I 204 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 3: think that can be really powerful, especially in the world 205 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 3: that we're living in today. A Nina, being able to 206 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 3: see complexity and to see shades of gray, or if 207 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 3: you're very lucky, to see a rainbow instead of just 208 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: black and white, can be a really powerful skill, and 209 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: I believe it can be developed, and the research is 210 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 3: telling us that it can too. 211 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 2: Just for our last moment or so, if you don't 212 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: mind Venezuela, it's where you grew up and then you 213 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 2: left for Canada when you were around thirty because Venezuela 214 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: was no longer safe. It is not the purview of 215 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 2: this book, but your thoughts about all that's occurring at 216 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: the moment. 217 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting when I saw Maduro, when I 218 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 3: heard the news, the first feeling I experienced was joy. 219 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 3: And it was joy because it was a catalyst for 220 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 3: change that Venezuelan's have been looking for for the past 221 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 3: two plus decades. So it was this idea, this this 222 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 3: government that has taken the country hostage is finally falling apart. 223 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: Now. 224 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: Of course, as I was just saying, things are usually 225 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 3: not black and white, and as the shades of gray 226 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 3: started to come in, we saw President Trump saying we're 227 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 3: running the country, and you know that that brought up 228 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 3: a lot of questions. How how can the US be 229 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 3: running the country like there's no plan, there's no clarity, 230 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 3: there's no So I was like, okay, that's strange. And then, 231 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: you know, snubbing the leader of the opposition who just 232 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 3: got a Nobel Peace Prize, Mario Coorna Michell was also work. 233 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 3: And now as things are starting to unveil, it seems 234 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 3: like the financial interests are taking precedent and listen, I 235 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 3: think it's important to recover the oil industry and that 236 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: will help the country eventually move forward and I think 237 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: that's a really important step in the right direction. But 238 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:25,479 Speaker 3: we cannot have financial change without having social and political 239 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 3: change in the country. So I think a lot of 240 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 3: us Venezuelan's are feeling really uncertain right now. We're getting 241 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 3: tidbits of information from different places and not really knowing 242 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 3: what's actually going on. So I think in this moment, 243 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: it's just trying to maintain hope that there will be 244 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 3: change and positive change for Venezuelans and for Venezuelan people, 245 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 3: and at the same time a little bit of skepticism, 246 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 3: you know, as to what is actually happening behind the scenes. 247 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: We're watching and hoping for the best for Venezuelance and 248 00:13:58,040 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: for your family. 249 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 3: Thank you, Anita. I appreciate that. 250 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: John Rosenberg is author of the book A Guide to 251 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: Thriving The Science behind Breaking Old Patterns, Reclaiming your agency 252 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 2: and finding Meaning. Thank you for being on to Get Connected. 253 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 3: Thank you, Nina. 254 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: This has been Get Connected with Nina del Rio on 255 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: one oh six point seven Light FM. The views and 256 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: opinions of our guests do not necessarily reflect the views 257 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: of the station. 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