1 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Good morning, John Robbed from Line Lakes. I'm very excited 2 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: to watch the Artemis to launch. I'm a teacher, so 3 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: I got the kids excited. Hopefully they watched it. Last night. 4 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 2: Was out with my wife on a walk. 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: We were watching on our phones. 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: Just a question for you, if you're a. 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: Big Bang fan, I'm wondering if you knew if Wallowitz 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: did the bathroom here they're having some troubles with the 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: bathroom and the artemist. 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: So I have a great day job. Is that true? 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: I haven't heard that or was that just a joke? 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: I can't tell anymore. Sometimes you guys get too clever. 13 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: I had friends of the show JD here on Twin 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 2: City's News Talk. My name is John Justice. He was 15 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: very he was he was upset with me because he 16 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: was well. He was a downer regarding the Artemis flights. 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 2: We're trying to be positive. It was uplifting. He took 18 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: offense that I ended up playing one particular clip when 19 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 2: when I had him on, when I had him on 20 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: harder not to shut you know, see what I should 21 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: have done, and this was my bad. So I do 22 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: want to apologize to a friend of the show, JD. 23 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: Because in his DeBie Downer comments regarding how he wasn't 24 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: all that impressed with it, I should have played you're 25 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: fascinating to talk to. That was a little that's a little, 26 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: that's a little less harsh. It was incredible launching the 27 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 2: launch of Artemis two yesterday, and as many of you 28 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: expressed in your comments, I'll get to some more of 29 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: these here in uh in just a moment, it really 30 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: did harken back to watching previous rocket launches, shuttle launches, 31 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: of course the Challenger disaster as well, and I was 32 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: choked up. I was a bit of an emotional wreck 33 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: in that moment, and I was not expecting that to happen. 34 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: But to see this triumph of NASA, and it's a 35 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: good thing for NASA too, in the wake of Elon 36 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: Musk and all his success. You know, NASA has not 37 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: had the best run in terms of their missions and 38 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: their achievements and have really been surpassed by SpaceX. So 39 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 2: it was good to see. Was fantastic to see such 40 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: a successful launch to the mission. It's going to take 41 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: him now what going on five days to reach the 42 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: Moon and then return, so certainly I'll be keeping an 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: eye on that, Let's get to a few more of 44 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 2: your thoughts from the iHeartRadio app this morning. Your talkbacks 45 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: are brought to you by Lindahl Realty. 46 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 3: Artemis launch was amazing. There's a picture though of the 47 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 3: American flag flying and art Messi's passing behind it. The 48 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 3: Challenger disaster had two hits to me. I was watching 49 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 3: it on the TV with a bunch of other kid 50 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: ads at the Air Force Academy. 51 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: We saw it live. 52 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: The worst part was his son, Richard Scobe was a 53 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: classman of mine. 54 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 4: Oh wow, so it was a doublehead. You guys have 55 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 4: a great mind to day from Howard Lake. Thank you, Dave, 56 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 4: and just thank you for sharing too. And what a 57 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 4: what a horrible story. Thank you for sharing that. I 58 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 4: appreciate it. Good morning, John rich Here. So I too 59 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 4: remember the Challenger explosion. I was in mister Sandborn science class. 60 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 4: We watched it live. 61 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 5: And what I was excited about yesterday is I listened 62 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 5: to a NASA professional talking about the nuclear powered spacecraft 63 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 5: that they're building for twenty twenty eight. I believe it is, 64 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 5: which is really going to be cool to see some 65 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 5: new type of propulsion systems. 66 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 6: Am I excited about Artemis too, you bet you. Nineteen 67 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 6: sixty nine, my dad and I took pictures off the 68 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 6: television of the Apollo eleven launch. It was incredible and 69 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 6: people don't understand today just how big a deal Apollo 70 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 6: eleven was. 71 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 7: Yeah. 72 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 2: Well, and there was a lot of conversation around the 73 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: Artemis two launch where we just didn't have the same 74 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: type of enthusiasm and coverage that we did in times past. 75 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 2: And there's a lot of reasons for that, a lot 76 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: of things that we talk about on the show regarding 77 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: social media movies, just how far things have advanced, and 78 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 2: what we've seen and what we find impressive and what 79 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 2: we don't. I don't want to say it's become pedestrian, 80 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: but in a lot of ways it has, unfortunately, and 81 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: I was happy to see yesterday or there was a 82 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: proper amount of attention to this launch, and I hope 83 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 2: that there will continue to be the curiosity surrounding this, 84 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 2: especially for younger generations. I want to share with you 85 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 2: this clip. It's from CNN. This was Katie Coleman, retired astronaut, 86 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 2: talking about the historic mission and again inspiring millions of 87 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: Americans to strive for greatness. 88 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 8: I mean you got to see it in person, I'm 89 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 8: sure you were sort of shaking like the rest of 90 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 8: us were. 91 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: What did you feel like, Oh, I cried? Is it 92 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 2: your first one? 93 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 7: It's not my first launch, but I've been waiting to 94 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 7: see this one. I came down to cover Artemus one, 95 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 7: but I wasn't able to come back for the second attempt, 96 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 7: So this I definitely cry. It's hard to describe for 97 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 7: people who have never seen a launch how you feel 98 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 7: it in your chest and how orange that flame is. 99 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,119 Speaker 2: And it is just sucking it is. It's extremely bright. 100 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 8: Obviously it's hard to tell on TV, but those flames, 101 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 8: I mean it hurts. 102 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 7: It hurts absolutely, and it hurts your ears, and it's 103 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 7: just such a visceral, overwhelming experience. And then if you 104 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 7: love space, it also makes you very emotional, as it 105 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 7: did me. 106 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 8: Yeah, And I wonder, Katie, as you hear that reaction. 107 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 8: That is part of what NASA wants to evoke in 108 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 8: a generation of young people in order to get in 109 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 8: to STEM, in order to pursue not only science but 110 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 8: also aeronautics as a field. It's part of the reason 111 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 8: that they're pursuing this mission. 112 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 9: Well, space is always I mean, people love to hear 113 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 9: about space, but it's always really clear how. 114 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: Difficult the missions are. 115 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 9: And so when young people, old people, all of us 116 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 9: see the impossible right in front of our eyes be possible, 117 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 9: it changes something in their brain and there's things that 118 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 9: they then will address and be part of because they 119 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 9: realize that, no matter how hard it is, they can 120 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:34,239 Speaker 9: make that happen. 121 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 8: You man, it expands your understanding of what is possible 122 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 8: right time. 123 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: You know. 124 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: And it's sad because I have a story here from 125 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: the Daily Wire, New Mexico, but you know, this is 126 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 2: the case in so many blue states. In New Mexico, 127 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 2: students are learning more about the January sixth Capital riot 128 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 2: as it's described in the Daily Wire and climate change 129 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 2: than they are about the moon landing. Looking at the 130 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 2: New Mexico High School History guidelines, they contain over a 131 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: dozen references to January sixth, They mentioned the moonlanding once. 132 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: The guidelines are part of the New Mexico instructional scope 133 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: for history, largely focused on racial engender grievances and encourage 134 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: leaders to promote Democrat politicians and lament how the richest 135 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: men in the United States today are mostly white it's 136 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 2: your critical race theory is what this is. So it's 137 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: not surprising, as I was mentioning a moment ago, that 138 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: you don't see the level of enthusiasm that we've seen 139 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: in the past for rocket launches when you just think 140 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: about what the students are being taught in school, because 141 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: what they're being taught in school now is not to 142 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:53,239 Speaker 2: achieve and to aspire to greatness. No, they've been told 143 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: over and over again that they're victims. And you see 144 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: the ramifications of that over a relatively short period of 145 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: time of about a decade of that critical race theory 146 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: indoctrination in our schools play out on the streets of 147 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: Minneapolis in the wake of all the ridiculous pushback over 148 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: lawful law enforcement. And i'll give you a further example 149 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 2: of that coming up in just a moment, as the 150 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: city's church parishioners continue to be hounded and harassed by 151 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: ice protesters. Now, a lot of these are older individuals, 152 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: hippies in a previous life, pining for the days of Woodstock, 153 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: but there's also a lot of young people as well 154 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 2: who fall into the category of what I was just 155 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 2: describing a moment ago. We'll get to a few of 156 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 2: your comments as well from the iHeartRadio app if you 157 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: have thoughts about the Artemis to mission, as we dive 158 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: into this story here on Twin City's News Talk AM 159 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 2: eleven thirty and one oh three five FM, the White 160 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 2: House yesterday talking about the Artemis two space mission, the 161 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: first crude flight to travel around them in more than 162 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: fifty years, said it was a mission for all humanity, 163 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 2: part of American America's destiny to explore the universe to 164 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: Twin Cities News Talk Am eleven thirty one oh three 165 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: five f M, streaming worldwide on the iHeartRadio app. Yeah, 166 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 2: one of the differences of Artemis Too was that this 167 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: capsule of spacecraft actually has toilets on board. We had 168 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: a talkbacker earlier a reference to Big Bang theory, and 169 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: apparently they were having issues. It's true they had trouble 170 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 2: lights when they tried to boot up the toilets, and 171 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 2: by the time I tuned off at ten o'clock, they 172 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: still hadn't figured it out. Goodring, John. 173 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 10: I watched the Artemis launch via YouTube and that had 174 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 10: like all people commenting on the side, and I was 175 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 10: very sad to see how many people did not believe 176 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 10: it was real and that it was just AI generated. 177 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 10: So I guess it doesn't matter if it's happening in 178 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 10: real life in front of you, it's all going to 179 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 10: be contested as being vake. 180 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 2: Thanks not having the day, you know. Put that on 181 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: the list of mentalities that I just do not understand. 182 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: I do not know what people get out of that 183 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: where everything's a conspiracy. I don't know. I do not 184 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: know what that is about. And I'm okay not knowing 185 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 2: what that is about. 186 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 11: By the way, Hi, John, Just in case you didn't know, 187 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 11: if you go to the NASA YouTube channel, people will 188 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 11: be able to watch the astronauts from what I understand, 189 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 11: and there. 190 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 10: Will also be download links and it will be going 191 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 10: on to social media. 192 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 2: Oh cool. Yeah, She went on to say it was 193 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: a little hard to hear. She went on to say 194 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: that you can also ask questions as well if we 195 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: have the opportunity on the NASA YouTube channel. 196 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 12: Man, watching that launch yesterday was so exciting. I was 197 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 12: in high school when we during the moon landings and 198 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 12: I watched as much of it as I could. 199 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 2: So cool. 200 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 12: But this launch yesterday was so exciting to be going 201 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 12: back again, and I wasn't crying either, Yeah I was. 202 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: I was tearing up. Friend of the show Steve writes, 203 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: I'm seventy. I grew up with Jeminy and Apollo. I 204 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: know they go back and forth on that. Some people 205 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 2: say Gemini, other people say Geminy. I'm a trekky. I 206 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 2: always thought and still think that in my lifetime I 207 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: could see would see space travel as normal as displayed 208 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: on Star Trek. My Artemis gives me hope for the 209 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: for the future. I'm good to hear from you, Steve, 210 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: and thank you to the for the email to Justice 211 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 2: at iHeartRadio dot com. 212 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 13: Kind of Karen's out Minneapolis, Well Mas, we're waste a 213 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 13: cashpayer funding dollars. That money could have gone Artemis and 214 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 13: the racket shift to the Moon. 215 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: We're not even landing on the moon. We're just going 216 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 2: around as a Grubb cruise. That money could have gone. 217 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 13: To leering centers, a younger kids breakfast. 218 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 2: Donis Minneapolis. We got her chas straight. Karen shot Minneapolis, 219 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: all right, Karen also known as Scott. You got to 220 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: do that more often, man, I want to hear more 221 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 2: from Karen in South Minneapolis. Please use it sparingly, but 222 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: I really enjoyed that. See Karen's the kind of individual 223 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 2: that you will see still protesting outside of the City's 224 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: Church in Saint Paul. As the attendees of City Church 225 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: in Saint Paul, based off the article I have from Alpinus, 226 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: continue to be harassed by anti ICE protesters every Sunday. 227 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 2: The churchgoer was talking recently with the Crime Watch Minneapolis. 228 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 2: The city's church, of course, was invaded by an anti 229 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: ICE mob back on January eighteenth. Individuals halted the service 230 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: and circled the churchgoers and pastors, screaming chants and recording. 231 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: The disruption stemmed from claims that the city church pastor, 232 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: David Easterland, holds a leadership role with ICE. The mob 233 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: accused of the church of harboring an ICE agent following 234 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: the fatal shooting of Renee Good by an ICE officer 235 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 2: in early January. Crime Watch Minneapolis posted on exit the 236 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 2: protesters have been present outside the church building every Sunday 237 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: since the initial incident. They blocked the driveway, they blocked 238 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: the sidewalk. They're cussing us out as we walk to church. 239 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: According to a churchgoer, I see stories like this and 240 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 2: it makes me want to do something about it, you know. 241 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: Unfortunately you do, and you'll just end up growing the 242 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: crowd of the lunatics. But this is just so, it's 243 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 2: just a jerk move. A March twenty second post to 244 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,599 Speaker 2: UH fifty five oh one the Facebook group shows protesters 245 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: standing outside the church holding signs that say bring the heat, 246 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: melt the ice talks from Fox, the Facebook says. A 247 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 2: post says it's a weekly protest. A churchgoer told crime 248 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: Watch Minneapolis that attendees can hear the protesters during and 249 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 2: after the service. We are followed and now they have 250 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 2: high risk cameras. They're taking pictures of us walking into church, 251 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: and they're threatening to follow us, take pictures of our plates, 252 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 2: and publish photos of our faces as they follow them back, 253 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: follow them back to where they live, protest outside their 254 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: home since the DFL doesn't want to go and support 255 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: bills to keep protests from taking place in front of 256 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: individuals homes. They explained that police have told them that 257 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 2: what the protesters are doing is not illegal. I just 258 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 2: want the freedom to worship without fear and not be 259 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: hounded and harassed. A person told crime Watch Minneapolis, listen 260 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: move the church service outside deal with them being a 261 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: bunch of idiots while you preach the word of God. 262 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: Or you can set up like a bunch of speakers 263 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: and blast speed metal in their faces. That might be 264 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 2: a good way to stop them. It's just just it's unfortunate. 265 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 2: Like I said, if you do any of these things 266 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 2: that I suggested, and I'm not suggesting you go and 267 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: do any of these things, but if you were, you 268 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 2: know that it's just going to end up growing the 269 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: protests even more than what has happened before. All right, 270 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: your talk back of the day is coming up. We're 271 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 2: going to talk about less lethal options when it comes 272 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: to defending yourself a little bit later on. Got a 273 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: lot of comments that rolled in earlier this morning. Also, 274 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: I want to discuss just briefly, crime in Minneapolis, a 275 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: story that started off awful. Thankfully it ended positively after 276 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: a baby was in a car that was stolen in Minneapolis. 277 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: Look if you details on this next here on Twin 278 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: City's News Talk AM eleven thirty and one of three 279 00:15:53,400 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: five FM. It's that time of the morning air on 280 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: Twin Cities News Talk AM eleven thirty and one oh 281 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: three five FM. Time for here talk back of the day. 282 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 2: It's brought to you by Mini Leaf m I N 283 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: N E L e a f dot com. 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As you know, 294 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: I mean sucker as it comes to tying in my 295 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: movie watching with modern events. Unfortunately, I've watched those movies recently. 296 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 2: We just did First Man like a couple of weeks ago, 297 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: and we've done Apollo thirteen fairly recently. I was thinking 298 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 2: Space Cowboys, but I've also done that one, not all 299 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: that long ago either, and then I was like, well, 300 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: I could do Moonfall. I was like, oh, I forgot, 301 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: I've watched that one recently too. If you haven't figured 302 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: it out, I like space movies. We are planning on 303 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: going and seeing Project Hail Mary again on Saturday, so 304 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: maybe that'll be the way that I. 305 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: Go in. 306 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 2: I go and honor the launch. But you are not 307 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: far off the mark all right. Ahead of our conversation 308 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 2: with our next guest, Josha Cherard, director of Law Enforcement 309 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 2: Private Security, also former military police captain, I want to 310 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 2: share with you a few stories out of Minneapolis. A 311 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: three month old baby. I'm working off of a version 312 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: of the story from Fox. A three month old baby 313 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: was found safe Tuesday night after a car was stolen 314 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: from a daycare parking lot. But the suspect still remains 315 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: at large. So thankfully the baby was found safe, and 316 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: I'm glad the baby was found safe. The biggest surprise 317 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 2: of the story is that a baby was actually at 318 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 2: a daycare. It's the biggest takeaway. Minneapolis police responded just 319 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 2: after eight pm on a report of a man who 320 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: had taken a vehicle from a daycare parking lot while 321 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 2: the infant remained in the back seat. And again he 322 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 2: probably assumed that there was no baby in the car, 323 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 2: so it was a Minnesota daycare after all. A large 324 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 2: multi agency search quickly was launched assistance from the Hennipon 325 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: County sheriff Deputies. Oh I bet that rankled that commissioner 326 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 2: who doesn't like the Hennipon County Sheriff's Department by a 327 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 2: twenty five authorities issued a state wide alert to law 328 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: enforcement about the stolen vehicle and the infant. Police said 329 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 2: they worked with the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension to 330 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: prepare an amber alert, but the child was located before 331 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: it was issued. Around nine twenty one pm, they found 332 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: the vehicle. The baby was found safe inside and was 333 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 2: reunited with her mother. Thank goodness, all jokes aside. Canine 334 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: of law enforcement searched the area but did not locate 335 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 2: the suspect, who fled before officers arrived. Police did not 336 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 2: say how the car was stolen, and the incident remains 337 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: under investigation. So let me share with you a series 338 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: of of stories because I just found this comical as 339 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 2: I was running through my prep today. All right, So, 340 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 2: there was a story out of Channel five a decade 341 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 2: of decline downtown Minneapolis commercial property values dropping by twenty 342 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 2: eight percent. They talked with the university professor, the go 343 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 2: to guy for this, David Schultz. He reveals this twenty 344 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 2: eight percent decline in downtown Minneapolis commercial property and the 345 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 2: values over the past decade. Of course, this impacts the 346 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 2: city's tax base. The trend is attributed to factors like 347 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: remote work reduced office demand could lead to increased decline 348 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 2: to the national market. Shifts emphasize that the tax burden. 349 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: Shifts don't automatically equate tax increases. There were other subsequent 350 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: stories about how the properties that are being sold downtown 351 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: continue to be sold just pennies on the dollar. Schultz 352 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 2: said that without reversing the trend, that taxes are likely 353 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 2: to keep rising for homeowners and businesses. He said both 354 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 2: may opt to move. And then Schultz said, it's difficult 355 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 2: to pinpoint a single cause. No, it's not. It's kind 356 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 2: of easy to pinpoint a cause. It's decades of progressive 357 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: policies and catering to bad behavior. I have a story 358 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 2: here that I have time to dive into Crystal Park disturbances. 359 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 2: Police disturbed crowds of seventy five to one hundred and 360 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 2: fifty unsupervised teams for three straight days. In the story, 361 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 2: I can give you this detail in the story, one 362 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: of the Crystal police chief Brian Hubbard addressing the concerns 363 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 2: of what they've been dealing with in this park where 364 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: they've found toy guns that shoot gel beads, pepper spray 365 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: a taser at the park. He said, as someone who's 366 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 2: a person of color and has children that are person 367 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 2: of color, I'm going to look at anybody in the 368 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 2: eye and go, this isn't racially motivated. This is about 369 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: my job and the job of my team is to 370 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 2: make sure that anybody and that's in this community is safe. Now, 371 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 2: he's right, but you also don't need to be a 372 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 2: person of color to go and take that stance. And 373 00:21:53,359 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 2: whether you're talking about juvenile park disturbances, auto thefts, if 374 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 2: you don't hold people parents, those that are here legally 375 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 2: born here, or immigrants accountable, how do you expect anybody 376 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: to go and change their ways? Now with this story 377 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 2: of the property values in the Crystal Park disturbances, Minneapolis 378 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 2: police are concerned about the increase in motor tests. We've 379 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: been talking about this quite a bit on the show, 380 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 2: and then I saw this story and I just face palmed. 381 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 2: Minneapolis looks to redo First Avenue with changes to sidewalks 382 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:38,719 Speaker 2: and lanes. Minneapolis has plans to reconstruct First Avenue from 383 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 2: Eighth to Washington, aiming to improve pedestrian safety and enhance 384 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: the area's appeal. The project, scheduled for twenty twenty eight, 385 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: will maintain traffic flow while widening the sidewalks ten feet, 386 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 2: adding consistent one lane traffic in each direction. They say 387 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 2: the changes are expected to benefit local businesses and attract 388 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 2: more visitors to the No, they're not. Businesses are leaving. 389 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 2: People don't want to come to the area. This is 390 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 2: the quintessential putting lipstick on a pig. As a matter 391 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: of fact, this is funny. Ron DeSantis was talking about 392 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: issues relative to his state and he coined a new 393 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 2: phrase about not wanting to Minneapolis what they're doing in Florida. 394 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 2: Here's the Governor, Ron DeSantis. 395 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 15: I don't want a Minneapolis mayor situation in Florida. Well, 396 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 15: well guess what, because of that legislation that we insisted on. 397 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 2: You know, if you did have a. 398 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 15: Situation where they were trying to well want if they 399 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 15: were even non cooperative, refusing to cooperate, but if they 400 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 15: try to sabotage, especially, we have the ability to remove 401 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 15: them from office, suspend them from their positions, and so 402 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 15: there's real teeth into what we're doing. Everyone knows their duties, 403 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 15: everyone knows they've got to cooperate. I'm also I understand 404 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 15: some will be a little bit show a little more 405 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 15: zeal in doing that than others. But you cannot not cooperate, 406 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 15: and you definitely can't sabotage because there'll be consequences. Well, 407 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 15: if every state did that, you would not have some 408 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 15: of the problems that we're saying, you know, around the country. 409 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 2: That's just a fact. 410 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 15: I don't care what your view is on immigration, but 411 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 15: if you have someone who's here illegally and they commit 412 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 15: crimes in your state and violate your state law, and 413 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 15: then they're getting out of prison, why would you not 414 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 15: have DHS come pick them up and send them home. 415 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 2: Why would you release them into your communities? 416 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 15: And if you don't like the fact that someone here 417 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,479 Speaker 15: illegally is going to be returned to their home country, 418 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 15: you know, you can run for office promising a big amnesty. 419 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,479 Speaker 2: You know you can do that. You have the freedom 420 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 2: to do that. You won't win if you do that, 421 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 2: but you have the freedom to do that. Now. Interestingly enough, 422 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 2: yesterday President Donald Trump had comments about the very issues 423 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 2: that we are talking about right now, what's going on 424 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 2: in Minneapolis, what's happening with these park disturbances as well. 425 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: So let me share with you some thoughts from President 426 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 2: Donald Trump, and then we'll go to our next guest 427 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: here on Twin City's. 428 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 16: News Talk on Good Friday, the Sun of God. 429 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:07,719 Speaker 8: Wash. 430 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 2: My apologies, this is the clip that I was looking for. 431 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,719 Speaker 16: How about in Minnesota. They come from Somalia, but they 432 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 16: come from all over. They're all crooked in Minnesota. The 433 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 16: governor's crooked, the Attorney general's the crook. He's a thief, 434 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 16: terrible guy. All stupid, crooked people, and they came into 435 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 16: from In this case, Somalia is just terrible. A lot 436 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 16: of people say it's the worst country anywhere in the world. 437 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 16: They have no money, know nothing, they have no government, 438 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 16: they have no police. They just shoot each other all 439 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 16: day long. It's just it's just pure battla. Probably the worst, 440 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 16: most dangerous country. 441 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 1: We have some beauties. 442 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 16: They go to Minnesota and they sold nineteen billion dollars. 443 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 16: Nineteen billion dollars and the low IQ general, I mean, 444 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 16: I can generalize said low IQ people. The bad people there. 445 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 16: They have ninety four employment. In other words, they don't 446 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 16: want to work. You know, it's get a lot of 447 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 16: jobs available right with the economy. They don't want to work. 448 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 16: Why would they work? And they sow more Mercedes Benzes 449 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 16: than any state in the Union because they come here 450 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 16: with no money, and they go out. They love her 451 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 16: Mercedes Benz and they go out and buy Mercedespensers. And 452 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 16: I think you're going to get to the bottom of 453 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 16: it real easy. And every one of us should be 454 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 16: an elan omar, who married her husband, who married her brother, 455 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 16: Her brother became her husband, which she has to check 456 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 16: a book. She says, any brothers one, any husband one. 457 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 16: She text tupid, so on top of everything else, she 458 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 16: gets a double income text cut. She's a stone called crook, 459 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 16: and everybody knows it. And the papers have one paper 460 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 16: out in particular, the guy made a living writing about her. 461 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 16: And I saw trum, he said, But nobody does anything 462 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 16: about us. All you have to do is get his 463 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 16: writings from the Indianapolis or whatever paper you work for. 464 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 2: You don't even have to do anything. 465 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 16: This guy's spend has spent ten years investigating that crook, 466 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 16: and you got to do something about it, or our 467 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 16: people going to get they're already upset. Takes too long, 468 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 16: So j do you go do it? And Russell, you 469 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 16: better do it? 470 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 2: One more common and we'll get to our guest this morning, 471 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 2: because as I mentioned, it kind of plays in especially 472 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 2: with the Crystal Park disturbance story that I that I 473 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 2: was sharing. But the point that I wanted to make 474 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 2: is if you're not holding people accountable for their actions. 475 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 2: And this is this rings true for anybody, whether you're 476 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: here legally or if you're an immigrant, but especially with 477 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 2: what we're dealing with with the immigrant population, how do 478 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 2: you expect anybody to properly assimilate to the values of 479 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,479 Speaker 2: the United States of America, which anybody who comes here 480 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 2: legally should be able to go and take advantage of 481 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 2: without having them take advantage of the prosperity and the 482 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 2: generosity of this country. But if you're not holding people accountable, 483 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: they're not going to assimilate, and they're going to be 484 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: more inclined to go and take advantage of you. And 485 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 2: this is the problem that we've been dealing with for 486 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 2: far too long here in Minnesota. Now, the police were 487 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 2: dispersing these crowds of seventy five to one hundred and 488 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: fifty unsupervised teams for three straight days. And when we 489 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 2: talk about protecting yourself or law enforcement protecting yourself, there 490 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 2: are other options, less lethal options available to you. I 491 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 2: had the opportunity to spend some time talking with the 492 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 2: folks over at Berna b y r na dot com 493 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 2: and learning more about the less lethal options that are 494 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 2: available to you. It's parked my curiosity and I wanted 495 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 2: to bring on an individual who's an expert on the subject. 496 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 2: I'm very pleased to welcome to the show Josh Charard, 497 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 2: director of Law enforcement and Private security, former military and 498 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 2: police captain. First off, Josh, thank you for your service 499 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 2: and thank you so much for joining the show this morning. 500 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 17: I greatly appreciate it. Yeah, thanks for your support, and 501 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 17: obviously thanks for having me. 502 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 2: You know, I imagine, and I'll be honest with you, 503 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 2: I wasn't really from that familiar up until recently with 504 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: these less lethal options that are available to your average 505 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: citizens and to law enforcement as well. My eyes were 506 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 2: really opened up last week having further conversations about this. 507 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 2: But I imagine, like with the story that I'm talking 508 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 2: about of what law enforcement here in Minnesota is dealing 509 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: with you know, large groups of teenagers in parks locally 510 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 2: that they're having difficulty getting their hands on. I mean, 511 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 2: this could definitely be a circumstance if things were to 512 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 2: get out of control, where less a lethal options would 513 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 2: certainly be applied, I would imagine. But you're the experts 514 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 2: and former law enforcement, what are your thoughts on that? 515 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 17: You're absolutely right, you know, being law enforcement for twenty 516 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 17: plus years now, I mean, look law enforcements and using 517 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 17: force options for decades for you know, really half a 518 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 17: century is what we're looking at least that long, and 519 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 17: so that has been a very, very integral part of 520 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 17: how law enforcement respond responds. It's not just crime, but 521 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 17: to resistance, to defending themselves in their community. And unfortunately, 522 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 17: only until recently have those some of those options, better 523 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 17: options been available to civilians. You know, we civilians have 524 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 17: you know, it's really been, you know, one side of 525 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 17: the spectrum or the other. Either you're going to fight 526 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 17: somebody or you're going to shoot them with a gun, 527 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 17: and really there haven't been a lot of options in between. 528 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 17: But you know, recently, especially in the last ten to 529 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 17: fifteen years, we've seen you know, in different parts of 530 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 17: the country how restrictive some of those force options can 531 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 17: be as far as legally you know, I mean, you know, 532 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 17: twenty thirty years ago, if you shot somebody for coming 533 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 17: on your property in many states, that was fine. That 534 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 17: was hey, look you shouldn't have been on their property legally. 535 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 17: But now we're seeing a lot more you know, discretion 536 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 17: being required on the force that you respond with to 537 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 17: different situations. And so that's where having a less legal 538 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 17: option for both law enforcement and civilians is so important. 539 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 17: There's never in our society has there been so much 540 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 17: onus put on the individual to use a proper and 541 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 17: reasonable amount of force to respond in a self diffensed situation. 542 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 17: And unfortunately, you know, in so many instances, we're seeing 543 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 17: people make you know, improper or inappropriate or unreasonable choices 544 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 17: when it comes to that, and unfortunately they're having to 545 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 17: pay the consequences. So that's you know, especially in situations 546 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 17: like this, you're dealing with HU miniles, or you're dealing 547 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 17: with you know, situations where yes, you're likely to be 548 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 17: a victim of crime, but you know it may not 549 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 17: be serious bottle injury or death, and so you have 550 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,959 Speaker 17: to respond appropriately. And once again, this is both law 551 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 17: enforcement and civilians now that we're talking about and that's why, 552 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 17: you know, we're trying to provide options for people to 553 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 17: have that spectrum of response. 554 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 2: So I'm curious you mentioned, you know, your time in 555 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 2: law enforcement. Again talking with Josh Gerard, Director of Law 556 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 2: Enforcement and Private Security, a former police captain, captain and military, 557 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 2: you mentioned sort of the change over that you saw 558 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 2: serving you when you were an officer. Has there been 559 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: a change of mentality? And let me give you my 560 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 2: personal experience, because I seem to recall when when I 561 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 2: was first introduced in hearing news stories about law enforcements, say, 562 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 2: using rubber bullets, less lethal options, there seemed to be 563 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 2: a negative stigma attached to that at the beginning of okay, 564 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 2: well this is more politically correct in forcing law enforcement 565 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 2: to put themselves in further danger. Was that really the 566 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: case back then or was it just my perception and 567 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 2: the possession of others. And if it was the case, 568 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 2: it seems as if there has been a wholesale shift 569 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 2: and attitude when it comes to using less lethal options. 570 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that. I'm curious your perspective. 571 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 17: No, you're and you're absolutely right, and you know Look, 572 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 17: as a law enforcement officer is very, very different than 573 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 17: being civilian when it comes to how you respond in 574 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 17: self defense, how you respond to that resistance. And look, 575 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 17: at the end of the day, law enforcement is there 576 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 17: to put themselves in between, uh, you know the danger 577 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 17: in the community. You're signing up your understanding that your 578 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 17: job is more dangerous, and yes. 579 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 2: Would it be you know, would it be the safest option? 580 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 17: You know, Unfortunately in law enforcement for decades we had 581 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 17: this this mentality and you know, and unfortunately I was 582 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 17: this you know, a guilty of it too, of saying, hey, 583 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 17: you do whatever you got to do to get it 584 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 17: home at the end of the night. But unfortunately that's 585 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 17: not the job. The job is there to protect the community, 586 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 17: and that means making choices that may be more dangerous 587 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 17: for you, but safer for the community, safer for even 588 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 17: those that you're responding against. And so, yes, would it 589 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 17: be the safest option to say any resistance just go 590 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 17: to deadly? For sure, that's a great way to stop everybody. 591 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 17: But unfortunately it's not reasonable and it's not appropriate. Not 592 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 17: everybody needs you know, that kind of service. So yes, 593 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 17: is using less legal force opening you up to possibly 594 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 17: more danger, sure, but it is a more reasonable and 595 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 17: appropriate level. Look, you know, not every response and not 596 00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 17: every situation calls for that nuclear option. We've got to 597 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 17: respond reasonably to that force being used. And now as 598 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 17: a civilian, we're seeing that as well. But definitely on 599 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 17: the law enforcement side, Look, we're not nobody. I have 600 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 17: known so many cops that have gotten in shootings that 601 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 17: you know, what we call the right of bang. What 602 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 17: happens after the shooting is so much worse than the 603 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 17: shooting itself, and they leave the job, and they leave 604 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 17: the profession because of the toll that it takes on them, 605 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 17: the legal toll, the civil toll afterwards. And this is 606 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 17: no different on the civilian side. 607 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 2: You know, if you have to get into. 608 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 17: A shooting, if you have to take someone's life, what 609 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 17: happens on the right side of bang is so much 610 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 17: worse and so nobody wants that. And so if you 611 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 17: can prevent from that from happening, if you have an 612 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 17: option to keep that from happening, man, that's and you 613 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 17: can go home to your family and go have dinner 614 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 17: and not have to worry about that. 615 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 2: Everybody is much better off. For So here's what we're 616 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: going to do. We're talking with Joshuir Arden again, director 617 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 2: of law enforcement and private security, also former military police captain. 618 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 2: I'm gonna put you on hold, Josh, and what we're 619 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 2: gonna do is we're gonna do a post show podcast. 620 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 2: We're gonna continue with this conversation. We'll talk a little 621 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 2: bit more about the Burna products, and I also want 622 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 2: to get into just the impact of both the kinetic 623 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:17,879 Speaker 2: and the and the other rounds that are available options there. So, Josh, 624 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 2: thank you for coming on the show this morning. I 625 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 2: know the audience appreciate it, appreciates it. I'm gonna put 626 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 2: you on hold, and then we'll continue our conversation in 627 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 2: a post show podcast here in just a few minutes 628 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 2: on Twin Cities News Talk. Sound good to you, absolutely so, 629 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 2: you guys over there, all right, So we'll talk with 630 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 2: Josh again further on a post show podcast. Thank you 631 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 2: for everybody who left the talkbacks this morning. Let me 632 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 2: go ahead and play this one. I got just enough 633 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 2: time to squeak it in. Hey, good morning, John. 634 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 17: I just bought a Burna a couple of weeks ago, 635 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 17: and my niece bought one as well. 636 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 2: And I have a regular handgun, but I feel a 637 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 2: lot more comfortable carrying this because you know that it's 638 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 2: not lethal. 639 00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: It will. 640 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 2: Thank you to everybody who left your comments this morning. 641 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 2: Of course, tomorrow, we've got a Freedom Friday on the 642 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,800 Speaker 2: schedule for in studio Catherine Johnson from Center of the 643 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 2: American Experiment, RNC Committee and ak Kamara and Representative Max Reimer. 644 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 2: If you missed any portion of today's show and you 645 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 2: want to check out that post show podcast with our 646 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 2: guests that I was just speaking to that'll be available 647 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 2: up on the iHeartRadio app very soon. Have yourself a 648 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 2: fantastic and safe Thursday. I'll talk to you guys tomorrow. 649 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 2: Thanks everybody. You guys are the best.