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Speaker 1: and he's Vallely houd At Lavell Neil via x Wolves

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Speaker 1: win last night, Twins open today, frozen four in place,

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Speaker 1: Weet sixteen in the NCAA Tournament, NFL Draft a month

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Speaker 1: from today, and here comes the columnist and we love him. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the Timberwolves victory last night. All we do is make history.

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Speaker 1: You're I mean, you grew up in Chicago during the

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Speaker 1: Grant Worm by their side. The overtime victory, the historical

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Speaker 1: is a day up, scratch, stifle, fouls out late, Ant

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Speaker 2: This thing was unbelievable. Good morning. Yeah, it was pretty impressive.

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Speaker 3: What's the stat in the last twenty nine years? Teams

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Speaker 3: that it was like the greatest comeback in twenty nine years,

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Speaker 3: Like teams were like a zero one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: Ten points, ten points or more, in overtime.

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Speaker 3: Now one one, absolutely unbelievable comeback over the Houston Fosters.

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Speaker 3: It was an impressive victory. That'd be the OKC Fosters.

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Speaker 3: It's also it's Houston. Last time was the Houston Fosters.

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Speaker 3: Tot Foster that the Wolves is like Hugh Hollins was

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Speaker 1: And if the La Lakers are in a position to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was. It was great to watch besiding.

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Speaker 3: It was on national television. You see guys step up.

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Speaker 3: You see how Julius Randa is kind of a polarizing figure,

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Speaker 3: but you know he stepped up, Rudy Gobert. The thing

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Speaker 3: sign that they're still engaged. They still give a crap,

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Speaker 3: and there's and coaching still matters. So all this talk

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Speaker 3: Bones Island is entertaining as hell. It's just a lot

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Speaker 3: of things I like about the Wolves right now. And

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Speaker 3: I predict that they will catch the Lakers for third

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Speaker 2: And why do you predict that?

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Speaker 3: I think it shakes out. I think they can run

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Joker back to back nights, he had a back

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Speaker 3: Joke a must have a twenty twenty twenty yesterday Yeah

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Joker does not want to leave the mile get

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Speaker 1: Medium sample size with Stifle Tower with Rudy Gobert, who

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Speaker 1: dare I say it? He's catching the ball off the bounce,

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Speaker 2: Don't let Rudy catch it and run and dunk.

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Speaker 3: You better enjoy a while last, all right, he's that

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Speaker 3: guy who was it? It was Bill Cartwright. Michael Jordan

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Speaker 1: Something happened on the bench between Bill Cartright and Michael Jordan, okay,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was something like that early and Enjeye Crew

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's assending to be one of the better players

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Speaker 1: the Twins. An opening day with the columnist Lavelle O'Neil,

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Speaker 2: Lavelle E.

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Speaker 1: Neil, the third columnist for the Star Tribune, covered the

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Twins and was a baseball beat writer for two

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Speaker 1: Star Tribune dot com. But when it's opening day in

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, that's something that resonates with old school

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Speaker 1: night to crack everything open Twins opening day at Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: Joejoe Toe's the rubber for the Minnesota Twins two hours

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Speaker 1: and change from now, Twins opening day of Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about the whole thing? Well, let's

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Speaker 2: get through the season. Let's get this thing started so

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Speaker 3: Get through it. That's how I'll look it up. Let's

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Speaker 3: A lot of things have to go right for this

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Speaker 3: have a winning season, just give the fans entertaining games.

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Speaker 3: Matt Walner needs to tap into that forty home run potential.

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Speaker 3: Royce Lewis has to remember how to hit grand slams again.

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Speaker 2: So you know about ifs.

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Speaker 3: If if we're if we're fifths, you know, we always

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Speaker 3: think it's gonna be a rough year. I got them on,

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Speaker 3: I got on seventy five wins. Why are you so

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Speaker 3: tepid to say that? I mean, that's I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: But I mean that's like, I mean, it's like the

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Speaker 3: I expect more more activity during the trade deadline. And

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Speaker 3: here's the thing, it's gonna be great going over and

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Speaker 3: He's gonna be a force. Those guys are all gonna

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Speaker 3: So I know you know the Commons comes on after

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Speaker 3: you and he hates to fray silver linings. But this

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Speaker 3: This is about getting closer to the future because these

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be racing out here to get set up

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Speaker 5: Lavelle that I was going to ask you, well, what

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Speaker 5: while we were fire sailing half the team? Like what

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Speaker 1: You know in Deep Stretch with Lavelle Neil the third

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Speaker 1: Some some stories that you've written of late. You touched

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Speaker 2: He's leaving Saint Cloud.

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Speaker 3: He's got better resources here, better facilities, he's got a

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Speaker 1: Here, the NFL Draft is a month from today. Where

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Speaker 1: of your attention. No, we completely understand, but a lot

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Speaker 3: You told the story about writing to the combine next

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Speaker 1: Thirteen times and then the guy hicker Attica Sappington. I've

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: But the weird part is after storytelling number one was

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Speaker 1: When Attica Sappington is kicking for the Chicago Bears and

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Speaker 1: you're looking for a working cell phone number. You bear

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Speaker 1: I saw one when Sappington walks off on Green Bay

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Speaker 3: I think the Bears do find it kicker, and it

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Speaker 1: That's what they said about Kevin Butler. No, actually he

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Speaker 1: worked well. That was terrible. All right, Love you and

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Speaker 1: today and sky you mob, Thank you Wobble later. A

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Speaker 1: Lavelli Neil the Third columnist, Star Trebume, former Minnesota Twins

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Speaker 2: Net cull It guit until the Morrow.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now to close festivities is former Minnesota Twins

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Speaker 1: general manager Dad Levine. Eight years Here's GM and now

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Speaker 1: host of a podcast called Rosters ter Rings Watch watch

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Speaker 1: this via YouTube at Rosters to Rings that that's what

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Speaker 1: Rosters to Rings, at Rosters to Rings and here comes that.

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Speaker 1: My man, it's so awesome talking on the radio to

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Speaker 1: you again. What's going on that levine?

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Speaker 7: Well, it is absolutely wonderful to connect with you again.

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Speaker 7: As I said to you before, you're such a treasure

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Speaker 7: to the market Your passion, your knowledge is off the

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Speaker 7: charts for football, for basketball, for baseball, your treasure to

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Speaker 6: It's a pleasure to be on with you.

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Speaker 1: Well, God bless you, my man, for that fellowship and

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Speaker 1: the nice words. Now, when you were general manager here,

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Speaker 6: Is, Paul, and you know it was. It was something

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Speaker 7: My wife inspired actually, when I was at home took

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this podcast and via YouTube or whether you just

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Speaker 7: You know, I think there's some legends of that taking place.

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Speaker 6: Just let's be ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's reveal how we.

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Speaker 1: That you said something recently with my friend Adam Kaplan

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, I think this is one of the

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Speaker 7: extreme cases of that for me in my career was

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Speaker 7: Josh Hamilton. Sure I've ever gotten to see a player

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Speaker 7: play who is as talented as he was, but also

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Speaker 7: who was as flawed as he was. And the talent

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Speaker 7: was something I think people owed and odd and wild about,

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Speaker 7: but I think it was his flaws that made him

447
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Speaker 7: so relatable. It made him one of the best and

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Speaker 7: most favorite players of that generation for the Texas Rangers.

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Speaker 2: Amen to that that.

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Speaker 1: While I was put very well now a couple of

451
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Speaker 1: months ago, the podcast, which is Roster Durings Rosters. Durings

452
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Speaker 1: followed that via x and or YouTube. The podcast was

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Speaker 1: about the genius Philadelphia Eagles general manager Howie Roseman.

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Speaker 2: What do you remember about that one?

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Speaker 1: And Howie Roseman and like what goes in the secret

456
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Speaker 1: and the secret sauce? Because truly he is really good

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Speaker 1: at what he does.

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Speaker 6: He's exceptional.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he's the guy who is kind of the

460
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Speaker 7: mad scientist who is never stopping tinkering, working and trying

461
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Speaker 7: to gain on the margins. And you know, as I'm

462
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Speaker 7: following the NFL offseason, you're so much more well versed

463
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Speaker 7: in this than I am, Paul. But it's almost kind

464
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Speaker 7: of makes you feel a little bit nervous when the

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Speaker 7: Eagles haven't done a big thing yet, because there's always

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Speaker 7: a big thing in the offing for the Philadelphia Eagles,

467
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Speaker 7: and just when you're not looking at seems as if

468
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Speaker 7: how he pulls off a massive move that really helps

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Speaker 7: the team. I think he's created an environment and culture

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Speaker 7: over there where they're able to take on players who

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Speaker 7: maybe other teams aren't as enamored with due to some

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Speaker 7: off field challenges. But he's somehow created an environment where

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Speaker 7: all of these guys can succeed and excel. One of

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Speaker 7: the most fascinating things to me about Howie Roseman, and

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Speaker 7: the first time I got a chance to meet him

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Speaker 7: in person, was there was an era where I believe

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Speaker 7: Chip Kelly was the head coach there and they may

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Speaker 7: have been a little bit at odds, and he actually

479
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Speaker 7: took a year long sabbatical. He traveled the world to

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Speaker 7: meet with teams throughout the world international soccer teams, rugby teams,

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Speaker 7: tennis teams, car and Formula one teams, but he also

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Speaker 7: met with the Texas Rangers to to find note what

483
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Speaker 7: were the best practices. And he came back a year

484
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Speaker 7: later better for having had the experience. And now all

485
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Speaker 7: of a sudden, he was applying the best of what

486
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Speaker 7: he learned from every sport throughout the world to the

487
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Speaker 7: Philadelphia Eagles. And I think from that day to this

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Speaker 7: I believe the Philadelphia Eagles had finished in either first

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Speaker 7: or second place in each of those seasons and have

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Speaker 7: a Super Bowl or two to their names since that time.

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Speaker 7: So he is one of the brightest minds I think

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Speaker 7: in all of sports. Maybe a name we don't hear

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Speaker 7: about quite as often as we should, but a surefire.

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Speaker 6: Hall of famer and.

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Speaker 7: A real, real value to the Philadelphia marketplace.

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Speaker 1: I Pilford Slash Stall Slash found intel via the podcast

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Speaker 1: with this one too. The WNBA and players came together

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Speaker 1: in the eleventh hour and got together on an agreement,

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Speaker 1: and it's business as usual with the WNBA, they tell us,

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Speaker 1: So truly, what were the players fighting for and how

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Speaker 1: did it work out for them?

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, this information came to me by way

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Speaker 7: of Trista Crick. I've got to give her all the credit.

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Speaker 7: She was a wonderful guest we had on the show.

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Speaker 7: And you know, Paul, I'm kipping my toes in a

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Speaker 7: depth I wasn't familiar with.

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Speaker 6: You know, I didn't have a lot.

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Speaker 7: Of experience in the WNBA, but Trista gave me a

509
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Speaker 7: tremendous education. And I think what they are they're fighting

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Speaker 7: for a lot of what the NBA players have already achieved,

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Speaker 7: and there are a number of collective bargaining agreements behind

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Speaker 7: in that regard. But as Trusta educated me, they're looking

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Speaker 7: for more access to a shared revenue stream with the

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Speaker 7: owners in the WNBA.

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Speaker 6: And I think they.

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Speaker 7: Started from a place of being kind of woefully behind.

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Speaker 7: They were being treated as just mere employees who were

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Speaker 7: given salaries, and those salaries were really substandard relative to

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Speaker 7: what other professional athletes were making, and so those women

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Speaker 7: were having to go abroad and subsidize their income. They

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Speaker 7: were creating leagues in the United States to try to

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Speaker 7: subsidize their income because playing the WNBA alone was not

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Speaker 7: sufficient enough for a living for those women. And that's

524
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Speaker 7: where so many of our professional sports started. But it

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Speaker 7: was just so long ago, and so I think what

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Speaker 7: they're trying to do is put the NBA in position

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Speaker 7: WNBA in a position where their players can afford a

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Speaker 7: living from contributing to the league and exciting fans on

529
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Speaker 7: a night out basis, that was the core core pursuit

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Speaker 7: that they had, and then I think there was a

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Speaker 7: lot behind that, but fundamentally, I think they wanted just

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Speaker 7: to put their players in a position where they did

533
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Speaker 7: not have to go subsidize their income, but rather could

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Speaker 7: make a living by playing in the WNBA.

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Speaker 1: A familiar voice for those of you listening to nine

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Speaker 1: to New used to join all the time as general

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Speaker 1: manager of the Minnesota Twins. Batt Levine, eight year general

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Speaker 1: manager for our Minnesota Twins, today is opening Day for

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Speaker 1: the Twins, Yankees and Giants kicked it off last night

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Speaker 1: and that is a special advisor these days to the

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee Brewers. Opening Day for the brook grew today too.

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Speaker 1: How are your Brewers going to be this year?

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, paulam getting to know the team inside

544
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Speaker 7: it out, and it's an incredible organization here. They really

545
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Speaker 7: have capitalized on doing some of the little things.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 7: I think we talk about our teams out there doing

548
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Speaker 7: doing the small ball things necessary to win games WLL.

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Speaker 7: The Milwaukee Brewers have proven that you can do that.

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Speaker 7: They don't have murderers row when it comes to power hitters,

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Speaker 7: but what they do have is an exceptional defense, an

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Speaker 7: exceptional bullten and Pat Murphy at the Helm.

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Speaker 6: He asked these guys to execute, and they get it done.

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Speaker 7: It's a team that really uses their twenty six man

555
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Speaker 7: roster to the fullest. Everybody contributes, everybody participates, and everyone

556
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Speaker 7: has gotten on board with this idea that the team

557
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Speaker 7: is so much more important than anyone individual.

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Speaker 6: It's going to be a very.

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Speaker 7: Interesting year for the Brewers. Freddy Peralt, their ace was

560
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Speaker 7: traded to the New York Mets. They got two really

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Speaker 7: exciting up and coming prospects back in that deal. They

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Speaker 7: also traded their starting third base and to the Boston

563
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Speaker 7: Red Sox and got three more really exciting prospects back

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Speaker 7: in that deal. So there's a little bit of a

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Speaker 7: youth movement going on in line with also trying to

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Speaker 7: defend two time National League Central Division championship. So it's

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Speaker 7: going to be a very interesting team.

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Speaker 6: My hunch, and in seeing this.

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Speaker 7: Team playing in spring training is I think it's going

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Speaker 7: to continue to surprise some people.

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Speaker 6: But I think as this season.

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Speaker 7: Goes on, this team is going to get better and

573
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Speaker 7: better and better, so they'll be playing at their best

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Speaker 7: at the end of the season, which is the time

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Speaker 7: where you really want your team to be shining. I

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Speaker 7: think that's exactly when this team is going to be clicking.

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Speaker 6: On a lot of cylinders.

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Speaker 2: So that with the Brewers, what do you do as

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Speaker 2: special advisor?

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Speaker 7: Well, well, you know what I do is I specially

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Speaker 7: advise people. I actually asked if I could be the

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Speaker 7: especial advisor because that title.

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Speaker 6: Was not out there yet.

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Speaker 7: But what I'm doing right now, Paul is I am

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Speaker 7: getting an opportunity to work with some of their lead

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Speaker 7: executives and just kind of share my experience that I've

587
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Speaker 7: had throughout my career. Of Milwaukee is a wonderful franchise.

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Speaker 7: They've done an exceptional job of promoting people from within,

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Speaker 7: but as a result, they haven't had as many outside.

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Speaker 6: Voices joined their organization.

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Speaker 7: Net Clintech, former GM of the Philadelphia Fillies joined four

592
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Speaker 7: years ago and I joined this offseason, and Matt Arnold,

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Speaker 7: their president of Baseball Operations, I think, has been very

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Speaker 7: intentional on a very periodic basis bringing in some outside

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Speaker 7: voices and giving them the rain to share the experiences

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Speaker 7: they've had outside of the Four Walls and the Milwaukee Brewers.

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Speaker 7: So that's primarily what I'm doing, is I'm trying to

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Speaker 7: give all these guys as much of my experience as

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Speaker 7: I can, try to develop them, accelerate their paths and

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Speaker 7: their growth. And then I'm participating in a lot of

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Speaker 7: their executive decision making as they're trying to keep this

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Speaker 7: window to win open as a small market team, which

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Speaker 7: as you know, is exceptionally challenging. I think all hands

604
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Speaker 7: are on deck here and I've gotten an opportunity to

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Speaker 7: participate in a lot of those decisions so far and

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Speaker 7: look forward to continuing to contribute to the Rocky Brewers

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Speaker 7: as they continue to keep this window to win open

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Speaker 7: for hopefully in a number of more years.

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Speaker 2: I like that answer for what is worth.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to be your sur big brother here

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Speaker 1: and take this in complimentary fashion. You've worked in Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball for more than a quarter century. You've earned

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Speaker 1: the special advisor role, which sounds like about a fifteen

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Speaker 1: yard trip to a mailbox once every two weeks. Got

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Speaker 1: a nice little check in there, and then we do

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Speaker 1: we do rosters to rings, and you just let that

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Speaker 1: special advisor role grow into a things that maybe help

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee win some games. So I think that's really really

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Speaker 1: cool you're doing that, man. And you know, you know

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Speaker 1: here thatad things are quite murky with the Minnesota Twins,

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Speaker 1: as you know that Levine eight year general manager here

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Speaker 1: murky and then Pablo Lopez gets hurt and is loss

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Speaker 1: for the season, which is terrible. So if you were

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Speaker 1: still general manager here and say in the hope selling business,

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Speaker 1: what would you tell fans?

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Speaker 7: You know, Paul, as you know, I think there are

627
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Speaker 7: a few things that are very exciting about the Minnesota

628
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Speaker 7: Twins present in on the horizon. You know, there was

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Speaker 7: a painful incident last year at the trade deadline where

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Speaker 7: they traded away about ten major league players, and quite

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Speaker 7: a few of those were household names and players that

632
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Speaker 7: fans had really grown to love because they were competitive

633
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Speaker 7: advantages from Minnesota Twins, and I think the fans got

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Speaker 7: a little bit of a taste of what they got

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Speaker 7: in return the second half of last year. I think

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Speaker 7: you're going to see a lot more of those players

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Speaker 7: start matriculating to the.

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Speaker 6: Big leagues, and as an.

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Speaker 7: Industry, I think there are a lot of players that

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Speaker 7: they acquired at that time that are quite exciting, and

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Speaker 7: I think now they'll get a chance to ease back

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Speaker 7: into to playing the major league level. I do think

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Speaker 7: there's some excitement in the president on the horizon based

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Speaker 7: upon the cash of players that they got back at

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Speaker 7: the time. Secondarily, I think, as you know, the American

646
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Speaker 7: League Central is a very friendly division right now. I

647
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Speaker 7: think the Detroit Tigers are kind of being pitched as

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Speaker 7: the prohibitive favorite.

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Speaker 6: But if we all recall the last couple.

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Speaker 7: Of years, the prohibitive favorite has not won the Americanly Central.

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Speaker 7: That the Detroit Tigers came out of kind of nowhere,

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty four, and then the Cleveland Guardians did in

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty five. So it's even if it is on

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Speaker 7: paper perceived to be a division and with a foregone conclusion,

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Speaker 7: I think it's been anything but that over the last

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Speaker 7: handful of seasons. So I think as long as the teams,

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Speaker 7: the Twins, the Royals, Cleveland included, you know, can stay

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Speaker 7: in this through the thick of the season. It's anybody's

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Speaker 7: division comes at the end of the season, and there's

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Speaker 7: so many exciting players on the horizon here for the

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Speaker 7: Minnesota Twins, and we've heard so long about Walker Jenkins.

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Speaker 7: Emanuel Rodriguez. Has two guys who have a chance to

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Speaker 7: be stars in the big leagues. They're starting to creep

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Speaker 7: closer and closer to the major leagues, and I think

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Speaker 7: it's realistic to think come second half of the season

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Speaker 7: those guys could be major factors, or Manuel Rodriguez maybe

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Speaker 7: even before then. And then you've got the ushering in

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Speaker 7: of a new era right now of leadership. You've got

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Speaker 7: Tom pull at it to issues me at the helm

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Speaker 7: and Derek Shelton in the dugout. Jeremy's holes there as well,

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Speaker 7: and so there's a time of transition that I think

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Speaker 7: the fans are going to need to afford that trio

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Speaker 7: to find their footing. But Derek Shelton is a name

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Speaker 7: that our fans should know. He was the bench coach

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Speaker 7: under Rockobald Deli and Paul Lollder in his last year

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Speaker 7: with the organization. He's an extremely upbeat individual. He's going

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Speaker 7: to put a positive spin on everything. He's not going

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Speaker 7: to let a three game losing streak turn into a

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Speaker 7: seven game losing streak. His spirits will always be high.

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Speaker 7: He's going to be very accountable, but he's going to

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Speaker 7: be very positive. And so I think for those reasons,

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Speaker 7: the fans do have a lot to be excited about.

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Speaker 7: Whether that actually materializes in twenty twenty six or years

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Speaker 7: to come, I wouldn't be able to prognosticate, but I

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Speaker 7: do think the future is bright for the Minnesota Twins.

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Speaker 7: It's just a matter of exactly when that future takes footing.

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Speaker 1: I'll last one beat and again the podcast is Rosters

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Speaker 1: to Rings. Follow it at Rosters two Rings via x

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Speaker 1: and likewise for YouTube. This is a that levine and

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Speaker 1: here's the last one NFL and this is from one

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Speaker 1: of the podcasts. What do you think drove all those

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Speaker 1: coaching changes we just had in the NFL. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I have an opinion, but I want yours first. There

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Speaker 1: there were ten coaches fired this offseason. Man like the

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Speaker 1: third of the league had to replace their coaches.

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 7: Well, so, Paul, this has been one of the things

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Speaker 7: that's been enlightened to me doing the podcast, which is

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Speaker 7: you get to research some of these things. In the past,

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Speaker 7: I've just sit at a bar with my buddies or

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Speaker 7: sent in my couch with some friends and talk about it,

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Speaker 7: but you'd speculate about it. I actually have to research

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Speaker 7: these things now because I have to be a credible source.

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Speaker 7: And I was shocked to see that over the last

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Speaker 7: two full seasons, if you take the NBA, Major League Baseball,

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Speaker 7: in the NFL, I think there's been close to fifty

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Speaker 7: percent turnover in head coaches in those three leagues. It's

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Speaker 7: just an absolutely staggering figure. In What it made me feel,

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Speaker 7: Paul is I reflected on my role as a as

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Speaker 7: an executive in a front office in which we preach patients,

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Speaker 7: we tell the manager heavy it's all about the process.

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Speaker 6: It's not about the outcome. And then lo and.

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Speaker 7: Behold, their job security is so fleeting. You know, the

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Speaker 7: job security of these head coaches across those three weeks

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Speaker 7: is three years or fewer.

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Speaker 6: As a median.

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Speaker 7: And so here we are preaching the process. We're preaching

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Speaker 7: you know, patients and that sort of thing, and we

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Speaker 7: need to sacrifice to be able to grow for the future,

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Speaker 7: and then we're letting these guys go every three years.

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Speaker 7: And I think it's just such a misalignment. And so

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Speaker 7: then you look at teams like the Baltimore Ravens and

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Speaker 7: the Pittsburgh Steelers and the continuity that they've had and

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Speaker 7: no wonder they've had success.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 7: I just think it really made me reflect that if

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Speaker 7: I ever get a.

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Speaker 6: Chance to hire a manager again in.

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Speaker 7: The future, how vital it is that their contract terms

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Speaker 7: are aligned with yours, so that their mindset could be

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Speaker 7: aligned with yours. Don't get me wrong, I don't think

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Speaker 7: contract links equals job security. Job performance equals job security.

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Speaker 7: But I think we have to look at this through

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Speaker 7: a different lens. From an executive standpoint. We have to

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Speaker 7: provide some more security for these guys. Otherwise, of course

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Speaker 7: they're going to feel like they have to white knuckle

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Speaker 7: every single game. They have to eke out every single win,

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Speaker 7: and when you do that, sometimes you make sacrifices that

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Speaker 7: you shouldn't. And you know, we talked a little bit

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Speaker 7: in that episode about the New York Giants and how

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Speaker 7: they handled Jackson Dart and maybe they were putting him

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Speaker 7: a little bit in Farm's way, but of course they

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Speaker 7: were because the head coach thought his job was on

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Speaker 7: the line, which proved to be true, and he was

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Speaker 7: trying to win every game and he thought Jackson Dart

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Speaker 7: was the right guy to do that. Where the front

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Speaker 7: office is trying to develop Jackson Dart, they're trying to

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Speaker 7: protect the asset because they know he's so vital to

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Speaker 7: the future of the franchise. We create those misalignments when

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Speaker 7: the front office and the clubhouse are not on the

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Speaker 7: same page. But I think that shame on the front office.

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Speaker 7: We have to change our mindsets there. We have to

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Speaker 7: give these guys a sense of greater security on the

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Speaker 7: front end so that they can be more aligned with

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Speaker 7: what we're trying to achieve, such that when they don't

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Speaker 7: achieve what we're trying to achieve, we shouldn't be surprised

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Speaker 7: by that. Because their jobs are so fleeting and are

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Speaker 7: coveting those jobs.

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Speaker 6: So I think there's an.

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Speaker 7: Opportunity for great growth and progress to be made here

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Speaker 7: if we just shift our mindsets and we're more aligned

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Speaker 7: with our head coaches moving forward.

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Speaker 1: I think that's staggering number with those three leagues, including

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Speaker 1: ten openings with the NFL, which is unbelievable. I think

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Speaker 1: it involves the owners and social media. And here's what

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Speaker 1: I mean. So, like, you know, say you're thick in

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Speaker 1: the thick of it, a special advisor for the Brewers

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Speaker 1: or general manager for the Twins like Dustin Morse may

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Speaker 1: come up to you very rarely and say, all right,

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Speaker 1: you know you probably haven't seen this, but so and

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Speaker 1: so columnist or reporter took you to task here, and

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Speaker 1: I just don't want you to be caught off guard.

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Speaker 1: Other than that, coaches, managers, general managers specifically during seasons,

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Speaker 1: they're not looking at social media a lot, and if

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Speaker 1: they do happen to fall into something, they don't marry

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Speaker 1: themselves to it. Now, on the other side, you have

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Speaker 1: owners of teams. You know, they hear about things from

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Speaker 1: family members, they're on social media a lot, and I

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Speaker 1: just think things bubble and get to a point with

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Speaker 1: owners of these teams where they may not even you know,

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Speaker 1: like fess up to this or say this is part

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Speaker 1: of the reason why. But I think they get influenced

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Speaker 1: by social media because they're spending so much time on it.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about that.

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Speaker 7: I think you nailed it, Paul. I think you nailed it,

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Speaker 7: and I'll take it one step further. I feel as

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Speaker 7: if the vast majority of front office executives ultimately lose

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Speaker 7: their job because they're trying to do what they believe

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Speaker 7: the owner wants them to do right or they are

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Speaker 7: doing exactly what the owner wants them to do, and

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Speaker 7: then they realize that that was not the right decision.

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Speaker 7: They knew that all along, but they didn't push back

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Speaker 7: on the owner for obvious reasons. Similarly, I think oftentimes

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Speaker 7: head coaches managers lose their job because they're trying to

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Speaker 7: do what the general manager wanted them to do. If

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Speaker 7: we could offer authentic job security such that the owner

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Speaker 7: is hiring the general manager who they think is best

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Speaker 7: capable to ferry their franchise forward, but if we can

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Speaker 7: allow them to be the best version of them themselves,

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Speaker 7: and then similarly, if the general manager gives the job

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Speaker 7: security necessary for the manager or head coach to shine

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Speaker 7: and be the best version themselves, how much better and

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Speaker 7: more successful would these franchises be.

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Speaker 6: I think that's where you look at.

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Speaker 7: Franchises like the Steelers and Ravens come to mind as

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Speaker 7: just the standard bearers of being able to achieve that,

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Speaker 7: and what amazing success they've had over the years. That

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Speaker 7: doesn't mean every year is a championship season, but the

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Speaker 7: vast majority of them are competitive when you have alignment

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Speaker 7: between the owner, the front office, and ultimately the head coach.

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Speaker 6: Last manager, Dad.

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Speaker 1: Levine, thank you very much for the time. Hey, Minnesota Wild,

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Speaker 1: it's on you. After what the Vikings did a couple

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Speaker 1: of years ago, what the Timberwolves did last night play

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Speaker 1: hockey November twenty ninth of two thousand. The Blues were

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Speaker 1: down five to oh to the Toronto Maple Leafs, came

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Speaker 1: back to win at six five and overtime.

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Speaker 2: Let's got a.

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Speaker 1: Chipcair chance in Sunrise, Florida tonight. Hey God bless you

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