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Speaker 1: Like this stuff that's not gonna happen makes me nuts

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Speaker 1: The only way that wouldn't happen and that Howard would

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Speaker 1: Sante Samuel Junior talked to a lot of teams, but

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Speaker 2: Well, nobody's picked up one thornhill. Yet.

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Speaker 1: If Darius Slay got cut, who would pick him up?

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking Eagles, They're we got this white guy. We're okay.

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Speaker 1: I love the notion that Jalen Warren will get more

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Speaker 2: Kenneth Gainwell ain't so good.

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Speaker 1: That's another guy early in the season I thought was

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Speaker 1: good teams. Let go in that vein canny pick and

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Speaker 1: I forget who told me, if it was a Steeler

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Speaker 2: After all, it is no not November. And now I

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Speaker 2: And I didn't know what it meant. I asked like, somebody,

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Speaker 1: Yesterday we did the five most overrated Steelers, howmic unhinged

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Speaker 1: Number five is Nick Herbick. The better he plays, the

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Speaker 1: Because you never hear he sucks. That's what makes you

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The Hockey Hall of Fame induction was last night.

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Speaker 2: How can you not admit that? How can you not.

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Speaker 1: Say to yourself Lessen, super genius. You were right all along.

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Speaker 1: I'm not very bright, my kids are stupid, my wife's ugly.

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Speaker 1: Here's Mike Roffo and NFL Network who says that something

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Speaker 5: Something's bothering me with the Steelers right now, and maybe

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Rocky. Rocky, you're on with Double M.

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Speaker 2: What up? Mine?

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Speaker 4: Mark?

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Speaker 7: It just dawned on me as you were talking about

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Speaker 2: I don't get it. Goodbye. Let's go to Corey. Corey,

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Speaker 8: Day, Hey, Mark, do you think that the Penguins hot

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Speaker 2: So there's certain things that have gone right. Manta.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to John John. You're all with Mark?

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Speaker 9: Hey, Mark, I was wondering if you saw that Kyle

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Speaker 2: And sometimes you arrive early.

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Speaker 2: Mark?

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Speaker 9: Is Pat Nardoozy officially the biggest douchebag ever After that

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Speaker 2: I can't believe he said it.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe he like tried to suck the hype

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Speaker 3: And this is probably the biggest game it's had in

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the call up. Next to course, he

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: Joining me now to talk Pittsburgh sports. He's a Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: guy from the Sporting News. It's Mike de Corsi. Mike

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Speaker 1: ken Rosenthal, the baseball writer reports that the Pirates want

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Speaker 2: Do you believe that for a minute.

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Speaker 3: Ah, I think that they it's hard to spend less

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Speaker 4: Easily outbid them. I mean, people want to hold the.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they make three hundred some million, they spend.

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Speaker 1: Three hundred some Yeah, Mike, Mike, you're you're right about that.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think this is what this is about.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is not nineteen eighty eight. You've got

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Speaker 1: Skins is going to get the NLCYNGA work tonight. There's

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Speaker 1: a story at NJ dot com that he has told

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Speaker 2: How long is he going to be a pirate?

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Speaker 4: How long is his is his?

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Speaker 3: I don't remember exactly what the servitude?

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Speaker 2: One more cheap?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think they'll I think they look, if they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but Mike, they're they're not willing to do that.

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Speaker 1: If it's like twenty five thirty million, they will for

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Speaker 3: I I really think if they did they decline to

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Speaker 4: That will set a new precedent.

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Speaker 3: And don't forget this mark. By the time this happens,

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Speaker 1: But that costs to reinvest that capital, which he's never done.

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Speaker 1: Like if there's a cap, Mike, you spend the floor.

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Speaker 4: Well, but the floor, don't forget the floor is.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Mike the course of the Sporting News

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Speaker 1: here on the X. How nuts is it? The pat Nardoozi,

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Speaker 1: After with all this hype, game at Acqua Sure College.

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Speaker 1: It's the fiftieth anniversary of Tony Dorset running rough shot

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Speaker 1: over Notre Dame, and Ardozzi says something dumb like that.

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Speaker 3: You know, Mark, I said something that wasn't And the

443
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Speaker 3: funny thing was I wasn't as flowery or emphatic as

444
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Speaker 3: he was, but I said something like that this week,

445
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Speaker 3: you're not the coach on the air.

446
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Speaker 4: And that's my point.

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Speaker 11: I can say that he can't say that because even

448
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Speaker 11: though he can say it's right, it's true that that

449
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 11: game doesn't matter as much as the two conference games

450
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Speaker 11: that if he win them, I mean, it's not a

451
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Speaker 11: guarantee they get to the conference championship game, but it's

452
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Speaker 11: hard not to if they do win those two.

453
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Speaker 4: But he's got to.

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Speaker 3: Have his players invested in winning every week. It doesn't

455
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Speaker 3: matter whether the game matters as much or not. You

456
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Speaker 3: have to invest in winning every week.

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Speaker 4: Well, got it?

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Speaker 1: The context the Pitts program, there you go sold on crowd.

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Speaker 1: You know, college game day, both teams raid a Notre

460
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Speaker 1: Dame nine pit twenty two. In the context of Pitts

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Speaker 1: football program, very few games in recent memory have mattered

462
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Speaker 1: more than this one.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I look at it from a technical standpoint,

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Speaker 3: and I think that it would be.

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Speaker 4: Phenomenal for them to win.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, if they lost twenty eight to twenty

467
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Speaker 3: seven or something, it's not gonna you know, it's not

468
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Speaker 3: gonna change their their future. But if you for him

469
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Speaker 3: to say something like then he say something like they

470
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Speaker 3: could lose by one hundred.

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Speaker 4: And it wouldn't matter or something like that. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that would matter.

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Speaker 3: That would embarrass you, and you don't want to be

474
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Speaker 3: embarrassed in this circumstance.

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Speaker 4: You want to fight in this circumstance.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand why he didn't handle that question better.

477
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Speaker 3: I don't love the question mark. I mean, how is

478
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Speaker 3: it a must win? If indeed those two games that

479
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Speaker 3: follow could get you into a conference championship game and

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Speaker 3: possibly into the college football playoff.

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Speaker 4: How could that be a must win? I don't love

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Speaker 4: the question, but.

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Speaker 3: I think there are about a million different ways he

484
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Speaker 3: could have handled it better.

485
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Speaker 1: I want to talk some steeers. Did Aaron Rodgers have

486
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Speaker 1: a bad game in LA or is it maybe worse

487
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Speaker 1: than that? Because he looked rattled from the get go.

488
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Speaker 1: He just looked shaky.

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Speaker 3: Yeah he did. I certainly he looked bad and he

490
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Speaker 3: made a lot of terriors. But don't forget he made

491
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Speaker 3: bad throws on plays where he didn't get pre pressure.

492
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Speaker 3: The play against the throw against John who to John who?

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Speaker 4: Excuse me? That was too high? Could have been caught,

494
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Speaker 4: but it.

495
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Speaker 3: Was a much more difficult catch than it needed to

496
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Speaker 3: be because John who was so open that there wasn't

497
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Speaker 3: a lot of pressure on that he wasn't unpressured. But

498
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Speaker 3: there's almost no throws in the NFL that are unpressured.

499
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Speaker 3: I mean, you're going to know that there's someone.

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Speaker 4: Coming at some point.

501
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Speaker 3: It's very rare that you get totally to go cleaning that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look at what Look at what was done

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Speaker 3: by Justin Herbert on a night when he got sacks

504
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Speaker 3: five times.

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Speaker 1: T J.

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Speaker 3: Watt was bearing down on him on a lot of

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Speaker 3: plays and he got it off.

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Speaker 4: I mean, how many times have you seen that with

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Speaker 4: the steel Well.

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Speaker 2: That's my point.

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Speaker 3: Happened.

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Speaker 1: Rogers looked like he was avoiding hits, like he was

513
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Speaker 1: giving up on plays to keep from getting hit.

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Speaker 2: And it makes me wonder, like I've had.

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Speaker 1: The theory that Rogers expected this situation to be a

516
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Speaker 1: lot better than it is, and I think now it's

517
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Speaker 1: sinking in on him that it's not.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 4: I think that's very possible.

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Speaker 3: Look, the offensive line is still one vet who was

521
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Speaker 3: an who was unavailable on Sunday and.

522
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Speaker 4: Basically five rookie ish players.

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Speaker 3: Or four rookie ish players excuse me, uh and and

524
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Speaker 3: that's that's what you've got, so you can't expect perfection

525
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Speaker 3: at this at this stage.

526
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Speaker 4: And if you if look, if guys make mental.

527
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Speaker 3: Errors to a blatant mental errors and that costs you.

528
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Speaker 3: I can understand getting upset, but look, you're gonna line

529
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Speaker 3: up against defensive lines that have really good players on it,

530
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Speaker 3: and they're gonna sometimes get pushed, and you have to

531
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Speaker 3: cope with that, and you have to make place in

532
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Speaker 3: spite of that.

533
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Speaker 4: And in some circumstances.

534
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Speaker 3: When you get to push, you have to make the

535
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Speaker 3: right move to evade it. He made the wrong move

536
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Speaker 3: and walked into a second It's not the first time

537
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Speaker 3: that he's done that.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Why does Joe Flacco have such success against the Steelers,

540
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Speaker 1: especially recently, more so even in his journeyman fase.

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Speaker 4: That's a great question. Well.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of it in the in the

543
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Speaker 3: more recent game had to do with who he was

544
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Speaker 3: throwing to. But I thought that in the Indie game

545
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: and and someone was a carryover to the Cincy game

546
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Speaker 3: was that.

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Speaker 4: They didn't pressure him.

548
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Speaker 3: They I don't know they in part in the first game,

549
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Speaker 3: the the Anthony Richardson.

550
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Speaker 4: Colts game where he got hurt, they went in thinking they.

551
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Speaker 3: Could confuse Richardson with his own scheme, and and then

552
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Speaker 3: they didn't seem to adjust much when Richardson went out

553
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Speaker 3: and Flacco came in. But they did the same thing

554
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Speaker 3: in this game where they tried to make it they

555
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Speaker 3: were they were they were so fearful of what could

556
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Speaker 3: happen behind them if Chase or Higgins caught a long

557
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Speaker 3: ball that they that they settled for those guys catching

558
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Speaker 3: four twenty yard passes that equaled an ad R drive

559
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Speaker 3: instead of won eighty yard.

560
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Speaker 4: Pass that equaled an ad R drive. It didn't make.

561
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Speaker 3: Any difference really in in how effective of the Bengals

562
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Speaker 3: weren't moving down the field.

563
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Speaker 4: They just it just took him a couple more plays.

564
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Speaker 3: But if they've gone after Flacco and really tried to

565
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Speaker 3: heat him up and showed that he's not mobile, he

566
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 3: wasn't mobile in his prime and he's really immobile now,

567
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Speaker 3: But they never made that an issue.

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Speaker 1: Who's going to cover Jamar Chase on Sunday because he

569
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Speaker 1: towards Ramsey the last time and now Ramsey's in safety.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, I think I think it'll probably be I

571
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Speaker 3: think given the nature of where their secondary stands now,

572
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Speaker 3: I think that they will probably just stick to sides.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they'll they'll follow him because look if

574
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Speaker 3: they if they follow him with Joey, for one, there's

575
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Speaker 3: that danger of him getting the holding penalty because he

576
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Speaker 3: gets more holding penalties and or pi's against the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Bomb though, Mike Well, I think you have to.

578
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Speaker 3: Make the business decision at times, sure, but those those holding,

579
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Speaker 3: those holding penalties and the pis often happen on fifteen

580
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Speaker 3: or twenty yard plays that may or may not be completed,

581
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Speaker 3: and then you wind up in the same position.

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Speaker 4: So I think that I think you have to stick

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Speaker 4: to sides.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I was very disappointed after Brandon Echols

585
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 3: had done a really nice job as a reserve. He

586
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 3: gets basically starters minutes, as we call it in basketball,

587
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: and he looks like like a reserve, and that was

588
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Speaker 3: disappointing because Slay is clearly not the answer healthy when

589
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Speaker 3: he's healthy, he's not the answer. And so I don't

590
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Speaker 3: know if the new signing Sante Samuel Junior is the

591
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Speaker 3: answer you I've seen some of the guys who are

592
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: there every day suggest that it's not out of the question,

593
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Speaker 3: and I think the reason they're doing that is.

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Speaker 4: First of all, one they don't know Slay's going to.

595
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Speaker 3: Be healthy, and two they just haven't shown themselves to

596
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Speaker 3: have two capable corners.

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Speaker 11: Get it.

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Speaker 2: It'll be fine by me. I think it'd be worth

599
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Speaker 2: the risk.

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Speaker 3: Right now, James Pierre has been there, you know now

601
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Speaker 3: that Eckles has shown what he showed last week. Right now,

602
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 3: James Pierre has been their second best corner. But does

603
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Speaker 3: he follow the same course as Eckles does?

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Speaker 4: Is if you promote him to the starter snaps?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

606
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Speaker 4: Does he do all the same things he once did?

607
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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 4: And that Echles did last Sunday?

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Speaker 3: I can't pay I mean, but it certainly I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: go back to Echles this week, especially given the enormity

611
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Speaker 3: of the challenge.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot wrong with that offense, Mike bit. But

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Speaker 1: one question I pose is why are the tight Ends

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Speaker 1: so pedestrian? Why are they getting so little output from

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Speaker 1: them when that was supposed to be the strength of

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Speaker 1: the offense That group?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think they don't get enough targets.

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Speaker 3: And the question is are they not getting enough targets

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Speaker 3: because they're not open or because Rod isn't looking for them,

620
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Speaker 3: or they're not the primaries enough and I think the

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Speaker 3: only people that totally know the answer to that are

622
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Speaker 3: the guys that are calling the plays. But I think

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Speaker 3: that given what they've shown in individual circumstances. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I know that John who dropped a big one early

625
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Speaker 3: in I think it was the Indie game, and of

626
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: course Firemouth Wade way back in the Seattle game dropped

627
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Speaker 3: the big one.

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Speaker 4: But for the most part, they've been pretty.

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Speaker 3: Reliable and they've made plays and if, like I said,

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Speaker 3: if that passed to John who had been on target,

631
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Speaker 3: they've got a first down at the eleven yard line

632
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Speaker 3: or so.

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Speaker 4: And unfortunately they.

634
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Speaker 3: Don't throw those to those guys well enough, and in

635
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: that case didn't throw it to them effectively enough.

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Speaker 1: This game feels really important, doesn't it. I don't want

637
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Speaker 1: to say must win, but maybe close to it.

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Speaker 2: It feels like.

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Speaker 1: Ground hog Day from the last seven years is setting in.

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Speaker 1: Despite all the changes and despite Rogers Mike, it's really

641
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: starting to feel like the same old, same old, just

642
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: another season in a series of many.

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't agree with that, and I'll tell

644
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Speaker 3: you why, because I don't think that they that they

645
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 3: look like at this stage the team that could get

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Speaker 3: to ten and seven.

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Speaker 4: I have not.

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Speaker 3: I have not seen enough consistency from them as a

649
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: football team. At first, it was the defense was a disaster,

650
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Speaker 3: then the offense implodes. We've had some special team issues

651
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 3: going back to the Seattle game. So I don't think

652
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Speaker 3: that they've been consistent enough to say, yeah, they'll get

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00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 3: to ten and seven. And that's why I one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent agree with your statement about this being an enormous game.

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Speaker 3: I don't see a path to a winning season if

656
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Speaker 3: you can't beat this team at home on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: I just it's it.

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Speaker 3: Would It would take something miraculous, and miraculous generally doesn't

659
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Speaker 3: happen in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Mike, great stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm enjoying the Friday podcast with Tim and you and

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Speaker 1: I will talk again next week.

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Speaker 4: Sounds great, Mark Dane.

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Speaker 2: That's Mike.

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Speaker 1: The course he brought to us by South Hills KEI Up.

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Speaker 1: South Hills Kiup has the right