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Speaker 1: looking forward to chopping up not only what happened in

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Speaker 1: By the way, as we were talking moments ago about

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Speaker 2: Somebody's gotta win this game under Jeff Hafley.

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Speaker 1: You know there is there is a certain quarterback that

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Speaker 1: But Gara Bulls and Quinn Miners are two of six finalists.

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Speaker 2: Think that they will. I think they would put them, you.

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Speaker 1: like arguably right ostensibly, I think anybody would say, when

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Speaker 1: Jade barn By year two, you'd like to make him

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Speaker 2: At the same time, you found a.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Ingram will be back next year.

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Speaker 1: I'll listen to a podcast today talking about tight ends

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Speaker 2: And now you're seeing it.

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Speaker 1: So this isn't me like saying I'm trying to run

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Speaker 1: Atam Troutman out the door. But this is an acknowledgment.

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Speaker 1: If that's a position, you need to upgrade out. So

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Speaker 1: Adam Troutman, Like it's got to have an upgrade there

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Speaker 1: you could run with him, or he could be out

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Speaker 2: I think you need to be not tipping your hand

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