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Speaker 2: No, we come to find out your teas was too good. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: to the point where Lobo texts you or calls the

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Speaker 2: make a big trade?

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Speaker 3: And the answer to that, unfortunately alas is no.

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Speaker 4: Wild big trade. Never heard that in the same sentence.

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Speaker 4: Sure we do go here.

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Speaker 1: Time now for the obligatory Kevin Faulness Minnesota Wild mention.

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Speaker 3: It didn't go well for the Wild last night.

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Speaker 5: Resoft, but poin Corna on the forour check. Bronzie able

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Speaker 3: A wild run out of time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, l in CAROLINEAP four to three. Your final butt

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Speaker 4: reinforcements are on the way. With the breaking news that

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Speaker 4: he's playing with Rossi and Caprisot like that top line.

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Speaker 4: Johansson and Tarasenko each moved down one line. Also, Danila,

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Speaker 4: yesper Valsetett in the net for your Minnesota while tonight

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Speaker 2: How stupid was I'd have picked the Vikings? Am I

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 2: I picked the Yeah, you did the Lions last week

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Speaker 4: Let's do what are picking the Vikings are picking the Packers.

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Speaker 4: It's a good question at this point.

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Speaker 3: You're Wolves.

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Speaker 4: They are in the NBA Cup tonight, that's at seven.

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Speaker 2: Told me that the Jazz are the Jazz represent the

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Speaker 2: Obvious questions, do they have the pieces to smooth things out.

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Speaker 2: It's a long season. We've learned that the hard way before.

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Speaker 4: As now questionable, he was limited that that means it

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Speaker 4: You know you better off sitting them a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: Not healthy, and the Vikings knew that going into this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Thursday night football. I don't know if you caught

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Speaker 4: the eight and two Broncos. Yes, I still can't believe it. No,

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Speaker 3: But against the two and seven.

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Speaker 2: I was talking about if the Bears beat the Giants

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Speaker 3: Are not as a bigger problem. I agree.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about that a couple of weeks ago as well.

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Speaker 2: ask them that question from grape from Wrigleyville via Chicago.

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Speaker 2: Gambling has ruined sports. I hope they don't legalize betting

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Speaker 3: Where did it go from there?

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Speaker 2: Just because it's not legal here doesn't mean it's not

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Speaker 2: I think, add up, Dana. According to Google AI, our

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Speaker 3: Hold on too many texts coming in here in a row,

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Speaker 3: Dan.

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Speaker 2: Betting with a bookie would still be illegal. The better

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Speaker 2: there should never be legalized gambling in the state of Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: Didn't come up at all.

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Speaker 2: I'm beginning to think Blakemore might have a point that

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Speaker 3: I guess about that given issue. But I one thing I.

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Speaker 2: Will be pretty adamant about. I can't tell you what

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Speaker 3: But what I can tell you is.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of people who don't need it,

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Speaker 2: idea of I mean, are you kidding me? A bet?

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Speaker 2: Winning a bet? That's the ultimate high? Maybe it is

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Speaker 2: If you want to bet, smoke them if you got them.

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Speaker 2: I don't care. I really don't, and I've never on that.

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Speaker 3: You can't have it both ways.

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Speaker 2: If you want it more available, if you want it

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Speaker 6: What do you think, Well, there's certainly interest. I think

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Speaker 6: He's been more of an off coverage corner and probably

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Speaker 6: in April, which you hear players do that, but that

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00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 6: can be a dicey thing where players that go through

438
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 6: it sometimes it's a one hit in the right place,

439
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 6: can be a pretty significant, you know, possibly catastrophic thing

440
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 6: going forward. So a lot of this comes down to

441
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 6: how comfortable each team is with his prognosis and what

442
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 6: they feel comfortable taking on in terms of risk. I mean,

443
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 6: that's that's a decision that probably comes down to the

444
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 6: individual teams and to him and his agent to some extent.

445
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 6: But yeah, that is a significant one to come back

446
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 6: from it. I think that's part of the reason the

447
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 6: medicals are so important here, because there may be some

448
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 6: team to feel differently about it than others, and it

449
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 6: could come down to who says, yeah, we're comfortable enough

450
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 6: with this and yeah we're going to take a run

451
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 6: at it. So a lot of it, I think will

452
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 6: come down to that, just because of the injury and

453
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 6: how significant that is.

454
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Speaker 4: Now.

455
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 3: On the other hand, he's only twenty six, you know.

456
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: I mean that's so if you if he's healthy, if

457
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 2: this works, and you say, we're not talking about a guy,

458
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: you know, like a thirty three year old cornerback or

459
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 2: anything like that. Four played for the Chargers, obviously, starting

460
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: in two thousand and twenty one for four years, so

461
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: we'll see how that goes.

462
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 3: I think.

463
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 2: The Packers and Bears within the division are also visits.

464
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: I think he already visited the Packers yesterday and I

465
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 2: think it's the Bears early next week as well.

466
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 3: So he's playing it, he's milking it, that's for sure.

467
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

468
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting that there are that many teams that

469
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 6: are all fighting with each other in the NFC North,

470
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 6: both in the standings and then for the same player

471
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 6: it is. It's again, it'll probably come down to who says, yeah,

472
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 6: we're comfortable enough and we're going to meet the financial demands,

473
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 6: because I would imagine he's going to try to get

474
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 6: what he can. I think you're probably talking about a

475
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 6: one year deal. But yes, the kind of thing where

476
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 6: if you get him in your building, you probably get

477
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 6: the first crack of bringing him back the fact that

478
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 6: he's twenty six, if you feel comfortable with it. I

479
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 6: have a feeling teams will say we want a corner

480
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 6: in our building that's proven and that's still on the

481
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 6: right side of kind of the age curve of things here.

482
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 6: So yeah, there will be a legitimate interest. It just

483
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 6: comes down to the comfort factor with that injury, and

484
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 6: everybody may feel a little bit differently about that, and

485
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 6: you know, it's that risk tolerance thing for everybody. But yeah,

486
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 6: this one because you have all of these teams competing

487
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 6: with each other that need cornerback help. The Vikings certainly

488
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 6: are in that group. Yeah, kind of an interesting wrinkle

489
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 6: for a mid season Yeah, it is a possible transaction.

490
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 6: It adds a little spice to it, that's for sure.

491
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 3: There's no question about that.

492
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Speaker 2: Your preview and prediction is already up via start debuwing,

493
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: and you ultimately pick the Ravens in a close game,

494
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: you have a thirty to twenty seven. How close did

495
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: you come to picking the Purple and what ultimately got

496
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: in the way of you giving the Vikings their second

497
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: straight victory.

498
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought pretty hard about it. I mean, I

499
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 6: think they will have opportunities to keep JJ McCarthy clean

500
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 6: against this path rush. They blits a lot, but they

501
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 6: don't get.

502
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 3: Home a lot.

503
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 6: In fact, I think Nambi Madaweke is still tied for

504
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 6: the team lead in sacks despite the fact that he

505
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 6: hasn't played since Week two. So it's not a group

506
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 6: that puts a ton of pressure on quarterbacks, despite the

507
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 6: fact that they try to throw a lot of things

508
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 6: at different teams. So if the Vikings can protect JJ McCarthy,

509
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 6: he may have the cleanest set of pockets that he's

510
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 6: had in his you know, to this point short NFL career,

511
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 6: which is not saying much, he's been under a lot

512
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 6: of pressure. But I think if you can get him

513
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 6: a game that he has time to work, that could

514
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 6: give him opportunities. The things that can turn me are

515
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 6: this secondary the Ravens have is very good. They Anatohi Golman,

516
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 6: the former Chargers safety, which allows them to put Kyle

517
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 6: Hamilton in the first round pick from twenty twenty two,

518
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 6: in the slot. I think that changes some things with

519
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 6: some of what they want to do, putting him with

520
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 6: Marlon Humphrey and in the corner group that they have

521
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 6: which is pretty strong. And then on offense, the part

522
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 6: that ultimately made it hard for me to pick the

523
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,959
Speaker 6: Vikings is just they have struggled a lot with mobile

524
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 6: quarterbacks this season. Jalen Hurts not run on them, but

525
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 6: he extended a lot of plays to seven seconds and

526
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 6: hits some throwns down the field. Obviously, Caleb Williams had

527
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 6: a productive day running the ball. Justin Herbert I think

528
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 6: ran for sixty some yards in that game and then

529
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 6: was able to extend some things. So Lamar Jackson being

530
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 6: able to make plays downfield, forcing those corners and they're

531
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,959
Speaker 6: going to play without Jokuda again, I just think asking

532
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 6: those corners to do what they're going to have to

533
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 6: do with Lamar Jackson able to get out of the pocket.

534
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 6: Not to mention the run game that they have with

535
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 6: Jackson Derrick Henry. I think the Vikings played well enough

536
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 6: against the run last week that they may be able

537
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 6: to carry some of that forward. I think they feel

538
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 6: good about some of the progress they made there. But

539
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 6: I just think it's one of those where Jackson playing

540
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 6: the way he has, especially if there's some opportunities to

541
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 6: pick on that secondary with broken plays. I think that's

542
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 6: ultimately what Tip said. I thought pretty hard about picking

543
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 6: the Vikings. Ultimately, I guess did what I did last week,

544
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 6: picked them to cover, but picked the other team to win.

545
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 6: I was wrong on the ultimate pick last week with

546
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 6: the Lions winning the game. We'll see what happens this week.

547
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 6: I you know, if they cover, I guess that's something

548
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 6: but yeah, I ultimately picked the Ravens largely because of

549
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson.

550
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: Well, you can also throw in, for whatever it's worth,

551
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: the so called desperation factor that if the Ravens lose,

552
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: they fall to three and six and they're in serious

553
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: trouble at that point.

554
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: Probably right, yeah, they are.

555
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 6: And that's a team that won twelve games last year, obviously,

556
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 6: a team that has been a contender in the AFC

557
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 6: for a long time, and I think expected to be

558
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 6: close to the top of that division again this year.

559
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 6: And they are kind of staring into the void a

560
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 6: little bit here where if they don't win this game,

561
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 6: like you say, at three and six, the wild card

562
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 6: picture gets awfully tough to come back and the division

563
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 6: starts to slip away. So I think it's one of

564
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 6: those games where they have a lot on the line

565
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 6: and they are relatively healthy. I mean, their injury support

566
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 6: didn't have anybody on it until today. Now. The context

567
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 6: that we need to insert there is the stuff that

568
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 6: happened with Lamar Jackson a couple of weeks ago in

569
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 6: the injury report. So grains of salts are probably applicable

570
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 6: to some of these things, but they if they are

571
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 6: that healthy. I think that's significant as well. So it's

572
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 6: a group that can do a lot of things behind

573
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 6: a pretty good offensive line. They've got Patrick Ricard, the

574
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 6: three hundred pounds fullback. They'll try to play volley ball,

575
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 6: They'll try to wear the Vikings out. It'll be a

576
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 6: question of how good that run defense is if they're

577
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 6: able to do what they did last week against Detroit.

578
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 6: But yeah, I think the fact that this group is

579
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 6: as desperate as it is and it's a team that's

580
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 6: been a contender, I think there's going to be a

581
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 6: pride factor that may ultimately play in this game as well.

582
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 6: I think it's going to be a jacked up environment

583
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 6: at US.

584
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 3: Think, yeah, I should say people are going.

585
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 6: To be excited after that win. But yeah, it'll be

586
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 6: a tough test from a football perspective for the Vikings.

587
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: I think you.

588
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: Taught you right about the Kyle Hamilton factor. It's a

589
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 2: good one. It's juicy, it's an interesting angle tell our

590
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 2: audience and a little more detail why you brought up

591
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: his name so prominently.

592
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, he came up a couple of times. I feel

593
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 6: like there are a few interviews this week that people

594
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 6: talked about how good he is, and it's a local

595
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 6: angle factor, I guess because he was the fourteenth pick

596
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 6: in the twenty twenty two draft. People remember the Vikings

597
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 6: had the twelve pick in that draft. So rather than

598
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 6: staying and picking whether it would have been Kyle Hamilton

599
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 6: or Jamison Williams who ultimately went with that pick, or

600
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 6: Trent McDuffie at the corner, you know, some of those

601
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 6: guys would have been options. They trade back twenty spots

602
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 6: in the famous trade with the Lions and they take

603
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 6: Lewis Seene thirty second in the first round. So obviously

604
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 6: they were in the market first safety. They liked the

605
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 6: idea of adding one and then make that trade to

606
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 6: also try to accumulate more picks. But Kyle Hamilton has

607
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 6: turned into one of the better safeties in the NFL

608
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 6: that also plays a lot of nickel. The Ravens put

609
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 6: him in a lot of different spots and move him

610
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 6: around quite a bit. So a player that could have

611
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 6: been in Minnesota, I think, a player that a lot

612
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 6: of fans at least were bringing up saying, boy, the

613
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 6: Vikings really would benefit from him being here, and certainly

614
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 6: the early returns on his career have been impressive enough

615
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 6: that it would have been interesting. And as it is,

616
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 6: he will be part of a secondary that he'll get

617
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 6: some matchups with Justin Jefferson when he's in the slot,

618
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 6: and we'll probably get put in a number of different

619
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 6: spots where the Vikings have to be aware of where

620
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 6: he is, just because he is that versatile and can

621
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 6: do a lot of different things. So there's a little

622
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 6: bit of a butterfly effect to that trade, which we've

623
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 6: talked about a lot, but in this case it's a

624
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 6: player they might have had that's going to be one

625
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 6: of the big factors they have to deal with, at

626
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 6: least when they have the ball on someday.

627
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: Is b Flow a big spy guy when the opposing

628
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: quarterback is as elusive as Lamar is, or is he

629
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: likely to consider that sort of thing, given as you mentioned,

630
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: the inability we've had dealing with quarterbacks getting out of

631
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: the pocket and making some plays with their legs.

632
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 3: What's our approach in that sense?

633
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he will use the spy I mean

634
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 6: they did it with Caleb Williams. In fact, the play

635
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 6: that Blake Cashman got hurt with the hamstring in that

636
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 6: game was he was trying to chase down Caleb Williams

637
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 6: when he got out. But they used Cashman as a spy,

638
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 6: there being a little bit of that in recent weeks

639
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 6: with Jalen Hurts. Certainly they were spying there and I

640
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 6: think even justin Herbert a little they did it. I

641
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 6: would expect they will use one on Sunday, whether that's Cashman,

642
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 6: you know, maybe Van Ginkel a little bit, but yes,

643
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 6: I think they will try to have somebody in that

644
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 6: spot because you have to worry about that with him,

645
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 6: And certainly he is the NFL's all time leading rusher

646
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 6: among quarterbacks already and he's still like twenty seven years old,

647
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 6: so he will be in some cases almost like a

648
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 6: running back. I think he's had you know, seven or

649
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 6: eight hundred yards at least almost every season in his career,

650
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 6: even to Cliffs one thousand I think once. So he

651
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 6: is one of those players that you have to have

652
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,479
Speaker 6: a plan for. It's not just a let's rush him.

653
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 6: It's got to be let's rush him with a plan

654
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 6: to deal with the contingencies for when he does get

655
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Speaker 6: out of the pocket or he steps up and find

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Speaker 6: in space, you know, but in the middle of the

657
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Speaker 6: pocket to go straight up the field, So yeah, I

658
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Speaker 6: think they will use a spy. I would expect to

659
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Speaker 6: see the cashman, maybe Van Ginkle, I could see half

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Speaker 6: probably not mentalistic cashman will be my bet that they'd

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Speaker 6: use in that spot and then he try to rush

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Speaker 6: him from different places. But they will have to have

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Speaker 6: a plan for him, and I expect that probably will

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Speaker 6: include spying on him in a few spots.

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Speaker 2: Are we going to be able to run to help

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Speaker 2: nine or are we just going to, like you say,

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Speaker 2: just try to try to throw the ball against a

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Speaker 2: team that has not had a particularly outstanding ability to

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Speaker 2: get home on the QB.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think they will. They'll have to try to

671
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Speaker 6: throw a fair amount and I expect they will. But

672
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Speaker 6: test in that secondary is I think a concern, and

673
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Speaker 6: being able to run the ball against this group would

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Speaker 6: be helpful. It's just always that question of how much

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Speaker 6: are they going to commit to it. The fact that

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00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 6: Aaron Jones sounds like it's going to play certainly helps.

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Speaker 6: I mean I talked to him in the locker room

678
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Speaker 6: briefly today and he said he had the shoulder taped

679
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 6: up and had his toe taped up and practice and

680
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 6: felt fine. And he has played through enough things in

681
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Speaker 6: his career he didn't seem to have much question about

682
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Speaker 6: whether he'll be able to do it. So I think

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00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 6: having him is a big factor. Having him in pass

684
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 6: protection could also be a big factor. And then just

685
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 6: as a receiver, he probably gets the ball in some

686
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 6: of those situations. But yeah, I think they have to

687
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 6: try to run because this secondary has not given up

688
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Speaker 6: a lot, and there are enough veteran players that know

689
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 6: how to make plays in the ball that if JJ

690
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 6: McCarthy has some moments where he puts it into harm's way,

691
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 6: they may get themselves in trouble with turnovers. So I

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00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 6: think taking care of the ball and being able to

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Speaker 6: extend drives. I think even times where if he's if

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Speaker 6: nine is running a little hot, I think sometimes the

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00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 6: run game can be a nice way to say, hey,

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00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 6: hand it off here. There is a little bit of

697
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 6: an easy button. I think they will lean on those things.

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00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 6: I think it's wise to do that, and I would

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Speaker 6: expect I'll try to do some of that. Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Thanks as always for the help. We appreciate you and

701
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: enjoy the game. Sunday. We'll chat next week, all right,

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00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 3: sound good, Dan, Thank you.

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00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: Sir, that is Ben Gestling, brought to you by Standard

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00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 2: Heating and Air Conditioning. On the Sunday high noon game,

705
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: there'll be no Gopher football Sunday. I assume it'll be

706
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: Packer preview, believe it or not. What time will that

707
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: last get? It be right before us at eight o'clock.

708
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: Then a one hour edition of Sermons nine to ten.

709
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 2: Pregame show for the Vikings game will start at promptly

710
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: at ten a m. And then opening kickoff just about noon.

711
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: You play your night game this week right Green Bay,

712
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: Monday night. You got the Monday night or that's matchup. Yeah,

713
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: that's a really nice matchup. I assume the Bears are

714
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: also a noon game within the division. They're taking on

715
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: the Giants. That's also on on Sunday, so we will

716
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 2: have I don't know, might be some hoo's your hotline

717
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: on Sunday for Sunday Sermons because the Hoosiers are taking

718
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: on It's the trap game at Penn State. Dangerous if

719
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: you want opponent, because Packer Preview was right ahead of you.

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00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: Just stick around there it is.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: I think he's actually been there at least once for

723
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Speaker 2: a game this year. If I'm not mistake. He's got

724
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: a killed there, He's got a kid exactly. It so, uh,

725
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: that will be I'm sure we'll have more Vikings conversation

726
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: by then if there's anything new.

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00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 3: It is interesting to hear that.

728
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: Guestling thinks there's a good chance even though Jones is

729
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: listed as questionable that in his conversation with him, it

730
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 2: sounds like.

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Speaker 3: He's going to give it a go.

732
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Speaker 2: Will he be as effective as he looked before he.

733
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Speaker 3: Got hurt last week.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but he definitely helps the helps nine,

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00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: there's no question about that. We're out of six for

736
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Speaker 2: Minnesota whild hockey. That's why we're a little bit early today.

737
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 2: I want to remind you that if you missed any

738
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: portion of the program, it's all podcastable, of course, and

739
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Speaker 2: we'll be available to you sometime after the show today

740
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: via the free free free iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 3: Guest lineup today included.

742
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Carl Gerbschmidt at three thirty as part of the

743
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: picks segment, Lavelle a lot of baseball conversation, especially with

744
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: the unveiling of the new manager that was at four

745
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: point thirty. We got into it some We ended up

746
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: in a gambling discussion that got ugly, lots of good

747
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 2: texts on that, and then Guessling joined us at five

748
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Speaker 2: point thirty to give us one more preview of the

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Speaker 2: Vikings Ravens game. I was about to say Browns and

750
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: the spread. We went with three and a half right

751
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: in our picks. I've seen any I've seen it as

752
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: much as four. I don't know how much movement there's been.

753
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: And nationally, when I look at all the pundits, I

754
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: can't find anybody picking the Viking. I might be the

755
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: only Jackal who's picked the Vikings this week, and I

756
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: may regret it.

757
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 3: I don't deny it.

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00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: It felt it doesn't feel logical, but I just have

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00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: a weird feeling that they might win this game this week. So,

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00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: by the way, we for seasonal boost here at the

761
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 2: fan we could We certainly could use it. We always

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00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 2: like it when the local team is in the mix.

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Speaker 2: You at least want them to be in the mix,

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Speaker 2: and a victory over the Ravens would most assuredly put

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Speaker 2: us over five hundred for the first time in a

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Speaker 2: while and will put us in the mix.

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Speaker 3: I've got a.

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Speaker 4: Site that has all the major debting like you can

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00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 4: look at a line from every company. Basically the lowest

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Speaker 4: is three and a half, but I see some as

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Speaker 4: high as four.

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Speaker 3: And a half.

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Speaker 4: Is that for the Ravens? Yeah, so not a lot

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Speaker 4: of love in Vegas for for your purpose.

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00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: Definitely not. And what's the spread we want with on

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Speaker 2: your game? Packer's Eagles?

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00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 4: We went with one and a half. I believe Packers favorite,

778
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 4: Packer's favorite. Despite what took place last week against Carolina,

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00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 4: every line I'm seeing is either one or one and

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00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 4: a half. For green Bay, You're still in first place though,

781
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 4: right That is correct moment, no other contexts needed, and

782
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 4: the Vikings are still in last place.

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Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, that is also correct. But Lions

784
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Speaker 2: in Green Bay did kind of come back to the

785
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: pack no pun intended this last week as well, So

786
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Speaker 2: it it looks like it is going to shape up

787
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: to be an interesting race. And as I mentioned, the

788
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: Bears are in position with the home game against the

789
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Speaker 2: Giants to get the six and three. But I don't

790
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: believe it's a very legitimate six and three. But part

791
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 2: of that is you had you're the last place team,

792
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: you get the last place schedule, and to a certain extent,

793
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: they're at least taking advantage of much of that schedule

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00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 3: All right, we win tonight, hockey. Did the Wild get

796
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Speaker 3: it done to night? What do you think?

797
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Speaker 5: Fully?

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00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 4: The addition of Zagurello and Eurov changes everything, and that's

799
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Speaker 4: really good as well.

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Speaker 2: That's that's, that's the reason to pay attention to it

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Speaker 2: right here on the fan all by itself. Thanks for watching,

802
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: Thank you once again for listening. Enjoy the bit of

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Speaker 2: winter headed our way weekend, I'm told, and we will

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Speaker 2: talk to you on a Sunday morning at nine.

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Speaker 3: You want wear pants, not wear pants?

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Speaker 2: You can do one apsle you need me