Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American idiot show?
Speaker 2: Seven hundred wlws will you'll wind it down towards Thanksgiving
Speaker 2: and of note, and this is even brustling a number
Speaker 2: of Republicans too.
Speaker 3: And it's a big question.
Speaker 2: How far does presidential power extend relative well, constitutionally speaking
Speaker 2: to domestic and international invention, particularly with the military. So
Speaker 2: whether it's in American cities or in Venezuela, or disobeying
Speaker 2: potentially unlawful orders, it is a constitutional question for sure
Speaker 2: that's going to be addressed out imagined by the High Court.
Speaker 2: They ultimately decide the scope of executive branch authority through
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, who's certainly pushing the envelope. Some may say
Speaker 2: too far and illegal, and others say, well, that's the
Speaker 2: purpose of the you know that, that's how all works.
Speaker 2: You know, we tested and the court determines where the
Speaker 2: line is. Jack Rinder's here. He's a constitutional attorney with
Speaker 2: Ferouki Lawn Cincinnati. Also teaches a use at U see
Speaker 2: a media ethics class. And it's odd that you're on
Speaker 2: my show teaching media ethics. I think that's interesting. Irony there,
Speaker 2: How are you been, friend?
Speaker 4: I'm good, Yeah, I'm gonna talk.
Speaker 3: I'm not a journalist. I'm a talk show host.
Speaker 2: I just I appine, so I don't have to abide
Speaker 2: by these stupid ethics anyway. So driving is the very
Speaker 2: latest thing is we had the six Democratic veterans that
Speaker 2: reminded the military intelligence communities that no one has to
Speaker 2: right to carry out orders to violate our lower constitution.
Speaker 2: That's part of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. It's
Speaker 2: pretty clear. But I guess the question for a lot
Speaker 2: of people, then Jack would be Okay, if I am
Speaker 2: a I don't know. Let's say I'm a pilot, I'm
Speaker 2: a fighter pilot. Am I about to fire and I
Speaker 2: target I light up a Venezuelan boat?
Speaker 3: Who do I do? I make that decision?
Speaker 2: Go Wow, this seems like it's unlawful because we're not
Speaker 2: at war and this is not an enemy combatant, and
Speaker 2: we're conflating drug runners with acts of war. Despite what
Speaker 2: the President says, How does someone who is called out
Speaker 2: on SORTY to accomplish that mission? Do they go to
Speaker 2: a superior I mean, I can't imagine that someone in
Speaker 2: the battlefield wants It's absolutely clear it's illegal and unconstitutional.
Speaker 3: Makes that decision how'd that work?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right. I think that you know,
Speaker 4: there there is something called the judge Advocate General, which
Speaker 4: is essentially the military lawyers. Uh. People call it the
Speaker 4: JAG or a judge advocate general, and they actually, at
Speaker 4: least traditionally have been consulted on things like this and
Speaker 4: uh will you know, sort of give the clearance in
Speaker 4: advance of an order. And that's how it should work, okay, Uh,
Speaker 4: so that the pilot who's flying when he gets the
Speaker 4: order can have some assurance that you know, this has
Speaker 4: been reviewed and it is it is being lawful.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, it would it would be chaotic, uh, to
Speaker 4: say the least, if if it were just an an
Speaker 4: hoc thing that the soldiers on the front line were
Speaker 4: supposed to uh discern on their end. But you know,
Speaker 4: the other option is for senior commands if they think
Speaker 4: that an order is unlawful, is to resign. And frankly
Speaker 4: that's happened Alvin Holsey uh stepped down into the US
Speaker 4: as the head of the US Southern Command. Uh. And
Speaker 4: you know it's not been uh he he's not really
Speaker 4: said much about it, but it certainly seems that he
Speaker 4: was concerned about the stripes on the boats off of
Speaker 4: the Evezuelan coast. So you know, I think I think
Speaker 4: we can uh presume perhaps that he felt that that
Speaker 4: was illegal and unlawful, and rather than that's a pooty order,
Speaker 4: he resigned, which you know, was was pretty much the
Speaker 4: only option to him. But I think the notion that, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, soldiers in the field are making those decisions,
Speaker 4: it's just not really accurate. Those decisions are made, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, at levels above the actual pilot or the
Speaker 4: infantryman who's who's on the field, and it's really incumbent
Speaker 4: on the officers to working with jag to uh to
Speaker 4: make those decisions.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, what what I think is is, frankly more
Speaker 4: concerning is the idea that the Congress people you know,
Speaker 4: are are considered to have engaged in a conspiracy sedition.
Speaker 4: I mean I think that that uh, I just don't
Speaker 4: think there's a. I think that that's not uh an
Speaker 4: accurate application of the sedition laws, and B I think
Speaker 4: the first of themment would have something to say about
Speaker 4: about that. So I think, you know, from A I
Speaker 4: think the military to have their own concerns about what's
Speaker 4: on off order and they go through training. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, the folks in the military, it's certainly at
Speaker 4: the officer level are are are well versed in this
Speaker 4: the code, the military code, and you know it better
Speaker 4: than you or I. But I think that for you
Speaker 4: and I where you know, I'm more concerned as the
Speaker 4: notion that there's even a thread of criminal prosecution for
Speaker 4: you know, the Congress people who spoke thereby we can
Speaker 4: talk about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, trasition basically, it's it's intended to incite insurrection
Speaker 2: against to overthrow the existing authority in government.
Speaker 3: It's not an overthrow, right, right, it's not at all.
Speaker 4: And again I think that we've since since the early
Speaker 4: nineteen hundreds. You know, it's interesting that First Amendment law
Speaker 4: really started to develop in the early nineteen hundred First
Speaker 4: Amendment law as we know it because until the Fourteenth Amendment,
Speaker 4: the First amend and didn't apply to the states. Okay,
Speaker 4: so there wasn't a lot of litigation because it was
Speaker 4: it was done by the states. But then the fourteenth
Speaker 4: Amendments path and then the First Amendment now a pause
Speaker 4: to the states, and then it was another you know,
Speaker 4: fifty years or so before people really started you know,
Speaker 4: the courts really started examining what the First Amendment met
Speaker 4: in early early cases were I think, in our view
Speaker 4: looking back, wrongly decided. So there were cases you know
Speaker 4: where people, for example, advocated that people resist the draft
Speaker 4: in World War Wide, okay, and those people were found
Speaker 4: to have violated the law and the First Amendment, and
Speaker 4: the Supreme Court said, there the First Amendment didn't protect
Speaker 4: those people. And we I think evolved to the point
Speaker 4: where you can talk about things, you know, as long
Speaker 4: as you're not taking active steps. So if somebody before
Speaker 4: January sixth said, hey, we really need to do something
Speaker 4: about this this vote that's coming up to on the
Speaker 4: on the election results because the election was rigged, you know,
Speaker 4: we need to take action. That's protected speech under the
Speaker 4: First Attendment, right, what is not what is not protected
Speaker 4: is the people who stormed the capital and broke in
Speaker 4: and every I realized the right pardon but yeah, they
Speaker 4: wrote the law.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no question.
Speaker 2: Out of the many that were there, the ones that
Speaker 2: broke in, once you cross that threshold, that that is
Speaker 2: illegal and you should be punished. And you know, j
Speaker 2: six certainly dissuaded me from supporting Trump after that because
Speaker 2: I But I will say though, that that was an
Speaker 2: interesting test of the constitution for you know, Democrats, progressive sale,
Speaker 2: My god, he's destroying the constitution, shredding government. It's that's
Speaker 2: it didn't work out that way simply because we have
Speaker 2: those protections in place. It was probably the most extreme
Speaker 2: case of testing the constitution. Trump's done a great job
Speaker 2: of that during his tenures. And it's it's you know,
Speaker 2: we've seen the law in many cases turn around and
Speaker 2: overthrow the sometimes support him. But that's how our believe
Speaker 2: or not, that's how our system works. For those are
Speaker 2: things that that you know, that was illegal behavior. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but again the court goes back and looks and says
Speaker 2: they're able to interpret what the actions were. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's really testing the limits of the Constitution. It's an
Speaker 2: interesting test with the court in our country.
Speaker 4: Then, yeah, I think it is. And I think again,
Speaker 4: I think the Congressman and Tigress people who were on
Speaker 4: that video, clearly we're exercising their First Amendment right and
Speaker 4: there they were. To me, they were simply advising, you know,
Speaker 4: not only the people in the military, but maybe the
Speaker 4: public that hey, look you don't have to you know,
Speaker 4: you are not required to follow an unlawful order. Now
Speaker 4: there's a lot of you know, well what's unlawful? What
Speaker 4: makes it unlawful? As you said at the top of
Speaker 4: our interview, you know who makes that determination. But they
Speaker 4: were exercising their First Amendment right, and Trump has the
Speaker 4: First Amendment right to come back and say that susition.
Speaker 4: You know what where I think again talking about the line, right,
Speaker 4: I think when the penticon, you know, when when the
Speaker 4: Justice Department or the Department of War starts, you know,
Speaker 4: potential prosecution mark Kelly for for this, I think that's
Speaker 4: a line that has crossed. I think that that is
Speaker 4: that is government sanctioning, sanctioning and potentially coercing speak. And
Speaker 4: that balleys. First, if Trump just wants to go on
Speaker 4: true social and say, you know, he's a trader, he's
Speaker 4: a he's an interaction, and so go ahead, go for it,
Speaker 4: that's fine. But I think when you start taking after
Speaker 4: steps to prostitute then you're really implicating the First Amendment.
Speaker 2: I think, Well, at the same time, again, they said
Speaker 2: the're going after Kelly, investigat him, but for what, well.
Speaker 4: For I think for this video. I mean, I don't
Speaker 4: know that's the thing we think.
Speaker 2: I mean, it could be coincidental, probably not to agree
Speaker 2: that that this is trying to silence him. But let's
Speaker 2: say that he's involved in something else. I want to
Speaker 2: see what the I want to see what the reason
Speaker 2: why they're investigative. That would be nice to know.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jack riders here a competitional expert on Scotland show
Speaker 2: on seven hundred w LW. In this case, can the
Speaker 2: executive branch legally investigator prosecute members of Congress for their
Speaker 2: political speech?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 3: What protections apply there?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean no, but if there is if the
Speaker 4: if the speech is part of something bigger, and they
Speaker 4: have probable cause, then they probably can so. I so,
Speaker 4: as you said, we we don't know if there's something
Speaker 4: else with Kelly, but consuming just in sort of a
Speaker 4: vacuum that uh, you know, Trump is mad because of
Speaker 4: what Kelly said, and he says, let's go getting for that,
Speaker 4: and that's really problematic. I mean, that is that is
Speaker 4: exactly what First Amendment should be protected. It shouldn't just
Speaker 4: you know, it really shouldn't just be a situation where
Speaker 4: Kelly wins his case if he's if he's indicted or
Speaker 4: something which I know, I don't think I hope he
Speaker 4: won't be. But if, but if, but it really should
Speaker 4: stop something like that in its tracks, because I think
Speaker 4: any kind of you know, government action that is taken
Speaker 4: as a result of protected First Amendment activity is you know, retaliation,
Speaker 4: and we're not supposed to be about that. You should
Speaker 4: when you, when you, when you have such First Amendment right,
Speaker 4: you ought to not only be free of a conviction,
Speaker 4: you really ought to be free of steps leading to
Speaker 4: a conviction. Again, unless there's something else that justifies that.
Speaker 4: But if it is just just hey, he said this,
Speaker 4: that makes me madd oj go getting that's really troubling.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's very troubling.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the other people said, well, it's just
Speaker 2: more of this Trump arrangement syndrome you're going to after
Speaker 2: it's the derangement at the end of Trump. I mean,
Speaker 2: he thinks any order he issues because he issues is lawful,
Speaker 2: which of course isn't true. That would be up to
Speaker 2: the courts to interpret that. But we know that the
Speaker 2: long standing principle of military law because what happened in
Speaker 2: the Norman Trials in World War Two, We're Nazis were going, well,
Speaker 2: I was just found orders.
Speaker 3: That's where this came from, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, and putting a plug for the movie Urmber
Speaker 4: by the way, that was good. It's awesome. Yeah, And
Speaker 4: it kind of raises that question. But we had it
Speaker 4: in Vietnam, we with a college autenant college situation where
Speaker 4: essentially that was his defense that he was following orders.
Speaker 4: So it's problematic, but I think it's you know, it's
Speaker 4: got to think that. It's what it's part of what
Speaker 4: makes America great is that we we don't adopt it's
Speaker 4: so clearly as long as you were ordered to do it.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we we say no, that's not okay,
Speaker 4: and you know we we have to make sure that
Speaker 4: there's orders of lawful and h and that doesn't make
Speaker 4: us week, that makes us great.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it also extends to the workplace to a degree.
Speaker 2: And you think about all the whistleblowers, right you say, hey,
Speaker 2: something wrong is going on here, and how many people
Speaker 2: have been sent to prison, Uh, schemes and outright tragedies
Speaker 2: uncovered because someone said this isn't right.
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk to someone about it.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 2: That's exactly how it should work here too. Relative to Venezuela.
Speaker 2: That's a more interesting nuance there that we're attacking these
Speaker 2: ships allegedly they're carrying drugs. But even from a constitutional perspective,
Speaker 2: as I said, you know, the president conflates drug smuggling
Speaker 2: with violent aggression and ordering the death of foreign terrorist
Speaker 2: organizations and saying this is not international armed conflict, and
Speaker 2: then the declaration somehow, I don't know where this is
Speaker 2: from twenty five O the lives are safe with each
Speaker 2: boat destroying. We don't really know if there's evidence that
Speaker 2: these were indeed drug smugglers, because we know that even
Speaker 2: the government d Trump said, Venezuela is not the problem,
Speaker 2: it's Mexico. The court eventually, I would imagine this is
Speaker 2: going to be fast tracked. This has got to go
Speaker 2: to the Supreme Court at some point, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would think so. I mean, I think it
Speaker 4: comes down. You know, it's going to be that interesting
Speaker 4: issue because we do believe in our country and due
Speaker 4: process and new process requires that, you know, you can't
Speaker 4: just randomly blowbal boats out of the water on the
Speaker 4: suspicion that they care and drugs. You know, you should
Speaker 4: have probable cause and there ought to be evidence and
Speaker 4: that sort of thing. The Supreme Court, however, has been
Speaker 4: very at least you know, four maybe five members of
Speaker 4: the Supreme Court are are pretty strong believers in something
Speaker 4: called the unitary executive branch, which is gives a lot
Speaker 4: of difference to the executive. And you know, there's arguments that, well,
Speaker 4: when it comes to foreign affairs, that's that's the president,
Speaker 4: that's you know, that's just his prerogative. And if he
Speaker 4: thinks they're drudge on the boats, that he ought to
Speaker 4: be allowed to blow him up. But that really runs
Speaker 4: counter to a tradition that we respect the process in
Speaker 4: this country.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that's the thing. There's no do process here.
Speaker 2: The impetus, of course is stop drug flow, which is noble,
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure that those are boats that are
Speaker 2: caring drugs. We just we don't know that we went
Speaker 2: out to wear the investigative process. And you could claim that, well,
Speaker 2: that's the thing. It's a it's a you know, an
Speaker 2: investigation by authorities because you know, we don't want to
Speaker 2: disclose what we know because that would jeopardize other investigations.
Speaker 2: But it's an interesting test of constitutional law.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 2: This is going to probably play out over years long
Speaker 2: after Trump and we're gone, right, yeah, fame, you're Irene Kara. Anyway,
Speaker 2: he's Jack Grinder, constitucial attorney with the Faruki also teaches
Speaker 2: media ethics class at the University of Cincinnati. Jack, all
Speaker 2: the best, Happy holidays and thanks again, appreciate it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's be an interesting thing. I mean I look at
Speaker 2: it and go, okay, well, the drug boats, I would
Speaker 2: I think as a citizen to look at and go, yeah,
Speaker 2: you hope the governments these are actual drug boats and
Speaker 2: we're just blowing up to get rid of Maduro. Now
Speaker 2: he's going to sit down and talk with the president,
Speaker 2: and I guess at some point we'll find out any
Speaker 2: stories coming out.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it. Maybe you have, of uh, I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: These were just fishermen or something like that, but we've
Speaker 2: heard that before when there's criminal enterprise going on. But
Speaker 2: relative to Mark Kelly and the others who produces video,
Speaker 2: just reminding h soldiers, sailors, airmen, et cetera, that they
Speaker 2: can disobey and illegal order, keep in mind you have
Speaker 2: to still the lastly judge, advocate general or a high rep.
Speaker 2: Going hey, is this legal or not? Can we find
Speaker 2: can we an interpretation before I launched this rocket?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: And that you know, you know, if you served in
Speaker 2: the military, and I haven't had the honor doing that obviously,
Speaker 2: but I can't imagine having to make a decision to
Speaker 2: take a bunch of humans lives. I mean, that's something
Speaker 2: you trained for. But still I would imagine that first
Speaker 2: one or the first few, you're like, I'm about to
Speaker 2: end a whole bunch of lives right here. I hope
Speaker 2: we're right, and that that was, you know, the one
Speaker 2: who you know shot the missile, So that's in your conscience,
Speaker 2: and I think that's uh, you know, the checks and
Speaker 2: balances even within the military ignoring the illegal orders, but
Speaker 2: the idea that you know, we have lawmakers that say
Speaker 2: remind the military for whatever reason, they didn't say which
Speaker 2: to lawful orders. By the way, So it's kind of vague,
Speaker 2: I think intentionally, but certainly and clearly not seditious. It's
Speaker 2: this fote anyway, it's gonna play it for a while.
Speaker 2: Courts are gonna be busy with this Court's gonna be busy,
Speaker 2: for sure. We've got a time out in We've got
Speaker 2: news on the way. Scott's Floan show. This is seven
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Speaker 3: All right, here we go.
Speaker 2: Everybody's whinding it down. You're pretending to work the next
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Speaker 2: Speaking of which, I'm not quite sure why this came
Speaker 2: to a thing, but my g hod against green being
Speaker 2: castrole declared as a matter of fact that Gary Jeff
Speaker 2: Walker invited me to be popping tonight at nine o'clock
Speaker 2: on his show. I said, yeah, I'll be wrong. Why
Speaker 2: not talk about how this whole thing started? Anyway, So
Speaker 2: for years now I've railed against green bean castrole, and
Speaker 2: nowhere else in the world, by the way, are they
Speaker 2: doing well Thanksgiving? The rest of the world is confused
Speaker 2: by our Thanksgiving. But green being castle in particular is
Speaker 2: one of those dishes people look at and go, what's
Speaker 2: with the green being cast role? I think Ohio is
Speaker 2: like the number one green bean cancel of state. By
Speaker 2: the way, most cities are most states, turkey stuffing, pie,
Speaker 2: sweet potatoes, mac and cheese are generally your top five.
Speaker 2: But here in Ohi green bean castrole hiw Kentucky, Indiana.
Speaker 2: For some reason. The person responsible for this culinary atrocity
Speaker 2: is Dorcas Riley. What a great name for someone who
Speaker 2: literally would destroy Thanksgiving. Dorcas Riley, who was a supervisor
Speaker 2: in the Campbell Soup Test Kitchen back Camden, New Jersey,
Speaker 2: back in the nineteen fifties nineteen fifty five, to be exact,
Speaker 2: Campbell tasked her with creating an easy, crowd pleasing recipe
Speaker 2: using ingredients most Americans already had in their pantries, which
Speaker 2: makes one wonder, go, Okay, it's Thanksgiving, you kind of
Speaker 2: know that's coming. It's different if Hey, what do you
Speaker 2: want for dinner? I don't know, Let's see what we
Speaker 2: got in the pantry, or something's coming over. I kind
Speaker 2: of last minute. I got a crap, I got to
Speaker 2: make something. Okay, we've all been in that situation before.
Speaker 2: Much easier today we can just get you know, door
Speaker 2: dash or something. But nonetheless, back in the nineteen fifties
Speaker 2: this was a concern. But I contend that again back
Speaker 2: to the history of Thanksgiving. For a long time, it's
Speaker 2: been about eating yourself stupid with turkey and all the
Speaker 2: things that go around it. Why would you at the
Speaker 2: last minute create an easy crowd preezing recipe that you
Speaker 2: had on hand already. Generally there's shopping or you know,
Speaker 2: you just don't have a twenty pound turkey later around,
Speaker 2: usually got to go out and find one at the
Speaker 2: same time, like, okay, I don't know if it's an
Speaker 2: afterthought or wherever. Nonetheless, Campbell's the executive side. The recipe
Speaker 2: need to be simple and expensive and use shelf stable ingredients.
Speaker 2: Initially green bean casserole. The original recipe was actually green
Speaker 2: bean bake, which quite honestly, at any other time of
Speaker 2: the year, it'd be just fine. Again with that, well,
Speaker 2: what do we have. I got some Campbell's, I got
Speaker 2: soup mix, I got some green beans. I'll throw it together.
Speaker 2: I'll make green bean castle or green bean bake as
Speaker 2: it were fine, you know, Tuesday night in March, knock
Speaker 2: yourself out. But Thanksgiving in particular is difficult for me
Speaker 2: because most people work so hard, especially those who are
Speaker 2: cooking and hosting, work so hard at making it. It just
Speaker 2: seems like it's like an afterthought. And the reason why
Speaker 2: this came about back in nineteen fifty five. Think about it.
Speaker 2: You're now coming out of post World War two and
Speaker 2: we had a convenience food culture that leaned into can goods.
Speaker 2: The gis are coming back there are used to eating
Speaker 2: field rations which are largely canned can goods alike, so
Speaker 2: that you know, there was no stigma with that before
Speaker 2: that mean can goods were around. It was a way
Speaker 2: to preserve food, for sure, but it really put it
Speaker 2: over the top of the nineteen fifties. So it's more
Speaker 2: of a convenience food culture because you know, after the
Speaker 2: depression and after the war, people just wanted to be happy.
Speaker 2: They want to feel, they want to do so to
Speaker 2: they want enjoy their lives.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: The automobile came along, of course, and we rebuilt the
Speaker 2: highways and stretch across America. People just want to go
Speaker 2: out and be in the cars and go around and
Speaker 2: have a good time.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Obviously they would work and work really hard in the
Speaker 2: post war economy, but also wanted to play hard as well,
Speaker 2: and certainly didn't want to be pinned down to a kitchen.
Speaker 2: And women who had been helping get the factories going
Speaker 2: and a rose the river and alike. They also a
Speaker 2: number of them kept jobs and they needed quick, fast,
Speaker 2: reliable recipes because it was tasked on the woman to
Speaker 2: come home and cook even after working a little bit.
Speaker 2: So it was economical of fed large groups. Every was
Speaker 2: happy faster than the nineteen sixties and seventies green Bean
Speaker 2: cast Role. They saw an opportunity of Campbell's going on,
Speaker 2: how can we increase market share? So they started passing
Speaker 2: out recipe cards in grocery stores, Adam and magazin women's
Speaker 2: magazines too, and so that started to catch on. And
Speaker 2: then someone decided, hey, right around Thanksgiving, we should promote.
Speaker 2: Now if we made this a side dish on Thanksgiving
Speaker 2: and marketed towards that, now we can really sell some
Speaker 2: soup mix. It was at about big green bean or
Speaker 2: big fried onion or whatever the hell else you put
Speaker 2: in that thing, Campbell soup. Do we want to sell
Speaker 2: more soup? I get that one, and now some thirty
Speaker 2: million households will serve green Bean cast Role on Thursday.
Speaker 2: They sell over forty percent of their cream of mushroom
Speaker 2: soup is produced from November to December every year. What
Speaker 2: other time would you eat cream of mushroom soup? That
Speaker 2: doesn't even sound good?
Speaker 3: I could?
Speaker 2: Okay, Hey hook me up with a can of Campbell's
Speaker 2: Tomato fire.
Speaker 3: Some grilled cheese. Let's go.
Speaker 2: I I really like their chicken noodle soup. It tastes
Speaker 2: like being a little kid again. There are countless Campbell
Speaker 2: soup flavors. Oh look at I go wow that. Oh ye,
Speaker 2: I can mess with that. But who's actually eating cream
Speaker 2: of mushroom soup? When it's not things, when it's not Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: It just something about it by itself. It's because you
Speaker 2: take it's like kind of this gelatinous mass. It's just
Speaker 2: it's nasty. So the issue is there's nostalgia involved. You
Speaker 2: grew up eating Campbell soup. You can go to the
Speaker 2: green bean castrole and so there's no nostalgia there, and
Speaker 2: it's easy to make and the taste it hits every time.
Speaker 2: If you like the green Bee castle, like many many
Speaker 2: people do. I just it got to me going you
Speaker 2: put so much work into making everything else. You're not, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, getting a box of instant mashed potatoes?
Speaker 2: Are you serving that? I know some people might do
Speaker 2: it because they can't cook, But if you can't cook,
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be hosting Thanksgiving in the first place. I
Speaker 2: don't cook, So okay, I'll go to somebody else's house
Speaker 2: and have them cook somebody who enjoys cooking. But geez,
Speaker 2: don't show up the green bean castro. Good lord, I
Speaker 2: know countless people love. And that's why this time every
Speaker 2: year I declare ghat against green bean castrole, simply because
Speaker 2: it just doesn't hold up to everything else on the table.
Speaker 2: I mean even I give ben places like I don't
Speaker 2: really cook, or you know you're you're young and single. Okay,
Speaker 2: so you brought I don't know brownies. I mean, like
Speaker 2: anybody can make brownies. I don't even know if you
Speaker 2: made it from scratch, because you can't really tell the different.
Speaker 2: I guess I shouldn't say that, because if you had
Speaker 2: a really really good brownie versus what comes in a
Speaker 2: box of duncan heines different story. But for some reason
Speaker 2: that doesn't a family the green bean castle does. Maybe
Speaker 2: because dessert to me is more like an afterthought. I'm
Speaker 2: not a big dessert guy. I will, by the way,
Speaker 2: have a slice of pecan pie, which I keep saying this.
Speaker 2: They were in studio last week the Dorothy Lane market people.
Speaker 2: I stopped by the one in Mason yesterday got a
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff for Thursday. But I did buy a
Speaker 2: pecan pie, because honestly, that is the best pecan pie.
Speaker 3: Think I've ever had.
Speaker 2: Now, somebody's gonna climb Oh, you gotta go here, guy,
Speaker 2: I don't want to turn into that topic. But nonetheless,
Speaker 2: it's a damn good pecan pie. Will say that. So
Speaker 2: I like the pecan pie a couple times a year.
Speaker 2: That would be it, right there, that would be it.
Speaker 2: But the creama mushroom soup of cream of mushroom soup
Speaker 2: sales happen this time year. It exists simply for Thanksgivin's
Speaker 2: that blow you away. I guess if we sold almost
Speaker 2: half of your inventory at that point, the question is
Speaker 2: who where's the other sixty percent the rest of the
Speaker 2: year that's eating at Campbell's Cream Mushroom. There's some weird
Speaker 2: ones like creama celery. If you just look through the
Speaker 2: Campbell soup flavors, I might have to google that Campbell
Speaker 2: soup flavors. There's got to be some really weird one
Speaker 2: cream is celery and a cream mushroom. There's a beef
Speaker 2: in barley, which, okay, I kind of get that those
Speaker 2: two things go together, for sure. It's a classic, and
Speaker 2: they just you know, and the thing is you go
Speaker 2: look at soup? Did you ever just stand back and
Speaker 2: look at all the flavors Cambell soup, because there's they
Speaker 2: just picture in your mind in the grocery store. I'm
Speaker 2: not talking about like some of the other bougie Progresso,
Speaker 2: which actually does some pretty good soups, but looking at
Speaker 2: all the Campbell slavors, look at that, go wow, that's
Speaker 2: that's a lot of flavor souper right they're producing right there,
Speaker 2: I say cream tomato, chicken noodles or chicken with dars.
Speaker 2: I feel like a little kid. I think they have
Speaker 2: the alphabet chicken souper. Their chicken soup is pretty good.
Speaker 2: It's not bad, it's fine, but uh, cream Mushroom's like, man,
Speaker 2: I could really have a nice bullet cream mushroom soup.
Speaker 2: Creama celery sounds good, sounds like something Willy would. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have soup. I demand creama a mushroom. I want
Speaker 2: creama celery.
Speaker 3: That's something that's old man flavor there. I just I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: And Florence Robert, you're on the Scotsland Show. Thanks for
Speaker 2: checking in, Happy Thanks skiving, what do you got?
Speaker 7: Good morning? Hey, So my wife makes a good dish
Speaker 7: with pork chops with the creama mushroom soup over that
Speaker 7: works really well. She fries up the pork chops, layers
Speaker 7: it with that creama mushroom and it's delicious. So yeah,
Speaker 7: other than the other than that in the broxy, I'm
Speaker 7: not sure what else to do with it.
Speaker 2: But over those yeah, I was wonder if anybody's I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: i'd messed with that.
Speaker 3: That sounds that sounds not bad.
Speaker 2: But I just wonder who's going, Wow, I just want
Speaker 2: a bowl of cream, but who's just eating the crey.
Speaker 2: It's ingreded It's a gravy, right, it's it's a condiment.
Speaker 3: It helps everything.
Speaker 7: Else, that's what it does. It makes that gravy over
Speaker 7: those port chops. My wife, Yam Pagan, does a great
Speaker 7: job with that. So that's when we get some more of.
Speaker 2: That, all right, youtwo buddy, Hey Dan, next time you
Speaker 2: have pork chops, I'm coming over. That sounds pretty good. There,
Speaker 2: I messed with that, but you're sitting down, okay. So
Speaker 2: it is a it's it's it's an ingredient for their diction.
Speaker 2: No one's eating cream of celery. What do you use cream?
Speaker 2: Of celery soup for they still make that even I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do this, let me take a time out. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna google this and I'm gonna have an answer for you.
Speaker 2: Now I'm curious as well. Scott's loan show back in
Speaker 2: about four here seven hundred ww yeah means abating the
Speaker 2: mushroom soup that Campbell's makes, and who eats mushroom soup
Speaker 2: if it's not part of a recipe, goes to undermine
Speaker 2: my or support my argument, undermine green Bean Castle as
Speaker 2: it is, especially with this being g Hodday on the
Speaker 2: show against green Bean cast role. Martin Bailey, who's a
Speaker 2: vice president and chief information security officer Campbell is called
Speaker 2: Campbell Scott in the meeting, saying recorded by the way saying,
Speaker 2: we have s the S word shapep we have asked
Speaker 2: for fing poor people who buys our s. I don't
Speaker 2: buy Campbell's products barely anymore, buy you engineered meat. I
Speaker 2: don't want to eat a piece of chicken that came
Speaker 2: from a three D printer. You know, I'll be honest
Speaker 2: with you. I need a piece of chicken came from
Speaker 2: a three D printer. I mean, I at least try
Speaker 2: try anything how bad could it be? How bad could
Speaker 2: it be for you? I mean, maybe not a steady
Speaker 2: diet of it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: We don't know the long term consequences of that. With
Speaker 2: new stuff. We never do, but I don't know. I
Speaker 2: mean stomach acid hits that digest you take the nutrients out,
Speaker 2: anything bad you poop out sounds like a kind of
Speaker 2: a win Win engineered chicken. Yeah, that guy's gonna have
Speaker 2: a That's gonna be a rough holiday for you. Don't
Speaker 2: want to be crapping on Campbell's around Thanksgiving. That's like
Speaker 2: this is their super Bowl. It's a super Bowl of soup,
Speaker 2: specifically the mushroom soup. I mentioned the hideous flavors are
Speaker 2: out there, and I guess the cream of celery has
Speaker 2: been discontinued. I'm looking at twenty one soups, most of
Speaker 2: them discontinued from the history of Campbell's celery soup, pepper
Speaker 2: pot soup, the bean soup, the pea soup, mock turtle soup,
Speaker 2: unless you're the Brown family, the only one in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five eating mock turtle soup anymore. They did that
Speaker 2: media day once a year, and they always serve the
Speaker 2: mock turtle soup just screens old asparagus soup that doesn't
Speaker 2: sound good. A julienne soup, no idea. Print and ear
Speaker 2: print p r I n t A n I e
Speaker 2: are printineer soup no idea. Uh wait, there's a description here.
Speaker 2: Printedeer is exquisitely bended blended chicken and beef broth with
Speaker 2: vegetables and fancy shapes, gels and can overnight excellent. I
Speaker 2: need some jellied soup. Sounds good. They had oxtail soup
Speaker 2: at one time. Oxtail by itself is actually pretty good
Speaker 2: if you if you braise it right.
Speaker 3: What else?
Speaker 2: Mutton soup O good, Lord help us? And a consumme,
Speaker 2: a consumme. So they're all there. Those are the flavors
Speaker 2: of Thanksgiving past with the campbell soup com Well, now
Speaker 2: they broken it out, and you know you've got chunky
Speaker 2: soup and everything else, but oyster seuw and mock turtle
Speaker 2: soup and the cream of celery are no longer, so
Speaker 2: they're down due I don't know, like a dozen or
Speaker 2: so flavors right now. And then you get the chunky's
Speaker 2: and the homostile soups and that's why the soup aisle
Speaker 2: is so full. One of the ones I have today.
Speaker 2: I look at the future genermists, look at going. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure about that. They have a They're discontinued. When
Speaker 2: I saw that's kind of like, what were you thinking?
Speaker 2: Chunky Philly style cheese steak soup. Wow, cheese steak soup?
Speaker 2: Does I like cheese steak? I'm not gonna touch that.
Speaker 2: They also have the uh cheddar cheese soup cheese soup thin.
Speaker 2: Giving a bowl of cheese sounds good anyway? Five one
Speaker 2: three s four, nine thousand and eight of the Big
Speaker 2: One talk back. I heard radio app all this because
Speaker 2: I hate green bean Castle. You can be lave it
Speaker 2: twenty minutes a bitching about green bean Castle. Do what
Speaker 2: you're sitting in your car or your home, wherever you're listening,
Speaker 2: stuck in traffic going, then just don't eat a dummy.
Speaker 2: I know I won't, but I I have to profess
Speaker 2: my hatred of green bean castrole.
Speaker 3: That's all there is to it.
Speaker 2: The idea behind it is just insulting, is what it is.
Speaker 2: And I'm fine with Campbell soup like you know, tomato soup,
Speaker 2: chicken noodle. They don't do the chicken the alphabet chicken
Speaker 2: soup is gone. I don't know if they still do
Speaker 2: the chicken with stars goes to show the last of
Speaker 2: my body can of soup. Nonetheless, I should really have
Speaker 2: done this topic before Bill Cunningham, because no one he's
Speaker 2: at the age now where at least one meal a
Speaker 2: day of involved soup to be a perfect topic for him. Anyway,
Speaker 2: let me hit Chris next and Cincy, what's up man?
Speaker 8: Hey Slony, it's Chris. I just want to let you
Speaker 8: know that growing up, I used to have creama mushroom soup.
Speaker 8: My mom would make it. You would dump the condensed
Speaker 8: soup into his thoughts hand. We would do one can
Speaker 8: of milk. We'd get up, we would heat it up,
Speaker 8: and we would serve it with like saltines or rich crackers.
Speaker 8: Like I had that for lunch on weekends and like
Speaker 8: during a Christmas break as a kid, and even now
Speaker 8: every once in a while as an adult, I think, gosh,
Speaker 8: maybe I'll have some mushroom soup for lunch.
Speaker 2: Wow, you could be one of the few people eating
Speaker 2: creama mushroom soup, not a Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3: That's incredible. You're like a unicorn.
Speaker 8: Man, I don't know about that, but that was that
Speaker 8: was before three D printer, so I think they were
Speaker 8: real mushrooms back then.
Speaker 5: Night.
Speaker 2: Seriously, man, when you mess, you'd mess with the three
Speaker 2: D chicken breast just once.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I think I try it with you, like,
Speaker 5: if you taste.
Speaker 2: It like it tastes pretty good, this isn't bad. And
Speaker 2: how much does it cost? Oh, it's pretty cheap, but
Speaker 2: it's genetically modified.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It tastes like chicken like I don't know.
Speaker 6: I look at these soups.
Speaker 2: You've had that taste like other things, and you know
Speaker 2: there's nothing Most of the stuff we eat is artificially
Speaker 2: flavor with those difference.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but that that cream mushroom floony, I'm toonia with some.
Speaker 5: Rich crackers and stuff. It's not alright, I stu. I said,
Speaker 5: it's not bad. It's worth a shot.
Speaker 8: If you ever get a clamor for it. But I
Speaker 8: got I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: And all right, I love that brother, Thanks man, I
Speaker 2: appreciate you. Yeah, I don't think there's every time in
Speaker 2: my life that I go I'm think i'mnna have some
Speaker 2: cream and mushroom soup simply because to me, it would
Speaker 2: just remind me of the green bean castrole. Maybe that's
Speaker 2: what it is for people. If you just eat the soup,
Speaker 2: it's like green bean castle. Oh, Crambell Soup Company is
Speaker 2: still rocking and rolling. VP is not helping. You're not
Speaker 2: helping us. Put me down. Put me down for a
Speaker 2: half of genetically modified three D printed chicken. Just put
Speaker 2: me down for a half of rotisserie. You could come
Speaker 2: out season to the printer. We'll pick this up at
Speaker 2: a later date. Anyway, enough bs, we've got news on
Speaker 2: the way in just a few minutes. Speaking of eating
Speaker 2: yourself stupid, I have this guy in once a year,
Speaker 2: maybe sometimes twice year. His name is David Bissonette, and
Speaker 2: he has research. He has researched why we overeat, essentially
Speaker 2: because food This is like the Golden Age, right, food
Speaker 2: taste amazing. Look at the flavors from Campbell's past terrible, right,
Speaker 2: we look like the gold Everything's delicious right now and
Speaker 2: it's only going to get better. And it's delicious because
Speaker 2: companies engineer food to make us eat more than we
Speaker 2: should past our point of being satiated. It's called the
Speaker 2: bliss point. David Bisonette is next as we head into Thanksgiving,
Speaker 2: an appropriate topic on the Scott Sloan Show, Home of
Speaker 2: the Best Bengals coverage seven hundred to.
Speaker 1: An American floating here on seven hundred wlwe are at
Speaker 1: that time of year now, probably started with Halloween, but
Speaker 1: with Thanksgiving looming here literally on the horizon.
Speaker 2: We can see it, we can smell it, we can
Speaker 2: teach it, we can almost touch it. And that is
Speaker 2: the amount of food we're gonna eat. A lot of food,
Speaker 2: and a lot of it not good for us, a
Speaker 2: lot of ultra processed foods. And there's something called the
Speaker 2: bliss point. You wonder why you don't stop beating when
Speaker 2: you're full. You only stop beating when you hate yourself,
Speaker 2: and that is because of the confluence of fat, salt,
Speaker 2: and sugar. Food scientists are a long time have been
Speaker 2: developing that they've cracked the code years ago, and when
Speaker 2: those three things are together in the right balance and
Speaker 2: the right harmony, you literally unlock the code to get
Speaker 2: people to gorge themselves, stuff themselves silly. And that's what
Speaker 2: we face. The science behind that. Doctor David Bissonette is
Speaker 2: here is a nutritional scientist and joins the show on
Speaker 2: seven hundred, Why doctor, how are you.
Speaker 9: I'm very well, god, very good, good hopefully.
Speaker 3: I described that correctly. But in fat, salt, and.
Speaker 2: Sugar, yeah job, yeah, yeah. But it's interesting because this
Speaker 2: is this is literally decades and decades and decades of
Speaker 2: research to come up with what they call the bliss point.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 9: Yeah, they're they're developed in sensory evaluation labs in these
Speaker 9: corporate headquarters and labs, and they determine where it is,
Speaker 9: like you said, where the high excitation points are for
Speaker 9: different foods combinations of assault, sugar and fat, and they
Speaker 9: indeed it dick people and it causes what they call
Speaker 9: repeat acquisition behavior going back to it because you love it,
Speaker 9: but like you said, it's really bad for you. So
Speaker 9: I described this, I investigate this in the book Insatiable Nations,
Speaker 9: Unpeaceable Hunger, And that's it.
Speaker 2: Right as we have Yeah, for the longest time, I mean,
Speaker 2: food was okay, I eat to live, to work, and
Speaker 2: then I eat some more to fuel. So because I'm
Speaker 2: working physically and in the modern area in America and
Speaker 2: in the modernized world, that's changed, right, We are largely set,
Speaker 2: and yet food has now become entertainment. It's also become delicious,
Speaker 2: which we didn't have as is probably as recently as
Speaker 2: a couple generations ago.
Speaker 9: I guess, oh yeah, you got that right. We were
Speaker 9: very complex and we eat for emotional reasons, and the
Speaker 9: research is now showing that this is actually caused by
Speaker 9: depression and anxiety. We see that prevalence still high depression,
Speaker 9: high anxiety, emotional eating. We have stress eating, and we
Speaker 9: have we call mindless habit driven eating. And this is
Speaker 9: where it becomes potentially disastrous for kids to be introduced
Speaker 9: to these foods early on, because they carry them forward
Speaker 9: and that's exactly what they do. It's mindless eating. It's
Speaker 9: a default and it's terrible.
Speaker 3: How did we get to that point?
Speaker 2: I mean, if you think about how absurd it is
Speaker 2: that I would get home after a long day of
Speaker 2: work and have dinner and hour whatever it is, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm going to open a box of cheese it's or
Speaker 2: drida and sit there and watch TV and shovel them
Speaker 2: in my face unconsciously, just loading myself with calories.
Speaker 3: And it's you know what, I don't know about you.
Speaker 4: It's awesome, but you're doing it.
Speaker 9: It's often for the time you're doing it, but remember
Speaker 9: you feel loudy after. So we have two basic mechanisms
Speaker 9: to control appetite. One's called the homeostatic mechanism. It's balanced
Speaker 9: in the body. It's based on energy reserves and that
Speaker 9: normally should suffice right to say, Okay, you've got enough
Speaker 9: fat reserves, and it has all kinds of you know,
Speaker 9: hormones to sort of stop the eating, and it's a
Speaker 9: it's a pretty good mechanism. But we also have what
Speaker 9: they call the hidonic eating, right, the pleasure centered eating,
Speaker 9: which you know really is in the frontal lobe of
Speaker 9: the brain. And that explains why it is a Thanksgiving
Speaker 9: that we fill ourselves with turkey and really say we
Speaker 9: couldn't eat another bite, yet when the pumpkin pie comes out,
Speaker 9: we have one and two pieces. So that is basically
Speaker 9: what's happening is that our hedonic center, the pleasure center,
Speaker 9: is causing us to overeat beyond what we need and
Speaker 9: like you said, we enjoy it, but only for a
Speaker 9: short time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the misery lasts longer. You're miserable for days
Speaker 2: after you stuff yourself with thanks Kim. It's the best
Speaker 2: when you're eating, and then after you feel like hell,
Speaker 2: and you know, you don't eat, you don't you don't
Speaker 2: eat till you're full, You'll eat till you hate yourself.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And we do that consistently, even though we say,
Speaker 9: all right, next time, I'm not going to do this.
Speaker 9: But you know, it's very enticing and it's part of
Speaker 9: you know, it should be part of a you know,
Speaker 9: sort of a almost like a moral base behavior fixed
Speaker 9: on temperance. Right, It's kind of like a discipline that
Speaker 9: we need to sort of exercise more in our lives.
Speaker 9: But this is really difficult to do because the food
Speaker 9: food industry promotes right with very sophisticated ads. Give you
Speaker 9: an example, nineteen ninety seven Madison, you know, Medisine Street
Speaker 9: and Madison Avenue. Advertisers are spending seven billion dollars in
Speaker 9: advertising foods of all sorts. The USDA's budget was three
Speaker 9: hundred and thirty three millions, and so the co and
Speaker 9: that was to promote healthy food. And when you have
Speaker 9: this kind of dichotomy, right, you can't overcome it easily.
Speaker 9: And that's why my book Insatiable I talk about radical
Speaker 9: shifts in the you know, in our lifestyle and in
Speaker 9: our diet that we need to sort of promote. One is,
Speaker 9: you know, stop the soda pop, right, it's not a
Speaker 9: negotiable because it's too addictance.
Speaker 2: You can vilify certainly the fast food industry, the quick
Speaker 2: food industry, the premide food industry.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: But but I guess I don't know. I've almost said
Speaker 2: this is kind of like a negative to capitalism. But
Speaker 2: you know, they've got to increase their margins. They've got
Speaker 2: to make more. They got to find ways for people
Speaker 2: to buy more food. And for people to buy more food,
Speaker 2: they have to consume the food that they're eating. And
Speaker 2: so you want to sell more pop and chips and
Speaker 2: candy and things that are processed.
Speaker 3: I get that old point.
Speaker 2: It's up to us to show some restraint, but it's
Speaker 2: difficult the way is formulated. I get that whole model.
Speaker 2: I guess the other side before someone takes away is
Speaker 2: you know, this is bashing big food and everything. You know,
Speaker 2: look that we have done for for example, you don't
Speaker 2: see people starving to death anymore. You look at all
Speaker 2: of the you know, you look at all of the
Speaker 2: maladies that our generations before us suffered from. Malnutrition wise
Speaker 2: and brain development and bone density, and all those things,
Speaker 2: and you know that's in the rear view mirror in
Speaker 2: the modern world. Now, that downside is we're killing ourselves
Speaker 2: with that same knife and fork.
Speaker 3: We've gone to the other extreme.
Speaker 2: But you know, because of the ready available of food,
Speaker 2: because the prices have dropped because of that technology, it's
Speaker 2: eliminated starvation, which was a scourge for the world for
Speaker 2: most of the time humans have been on this planet.
Speaker 9: Well, it's an interesting point you're making, but what we
Speaker 9: don't really realized is that back in the nineteen thirty
Speaker 9: America is teppered with malnutrician and that was within the
Speaker 9: era of the industrial revolution and mass production. So we
Speaker 9: actually did not solve the problem back then. It took
Speaker 9: a while to get onto the concept of fortification. But
Speaker 9: we're really fortifying food and that's what they were doing
Speaker 9: that were ultimately so highly processed that they.
Speaker 4: Were worked with.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you see that a lot today too, I
Speaker 2: guess is this setting up to be By the way,
Speaker 2: Doctor David Bissonett, he's a professor of nutrition, a doctorate
Speaker 2: nutritional science, writes about insatiable, about what's called the bliss point,
Speaker 2: and that is food manufacturer's process with manufacturers have developed
Speaker 2: and it depends obviously on the product because this has
Speaker 2: been researched and focused group to death that they have
Speaker 2: found the exact correct proportions when the salt and sugar
Speaker 2: and fat in a product to get you to eat
Speaker 2: as much as possible so they can sell more and
Speaker 2: make more money. And that is a capitalist dynamic right there,
Speaker 2: for good or for bad. But this is starting to
Speaker 2: sound like it's setting up to be maybe a lawsuit
Speaker 2: developed like we saw with big tobacco, right is, hey,
Speaker 2: we made a product that's highly addictive and dangerous. You
Speaker 2: can make that case with these types of processed foods,
Speaker 2: can't you?
Speaker 9: Oh you can. And in fact, it's very interestingly, these
Speaker 9: very tobacco companies that got their hands slapped are the
Speaker 9: very ones that bought Nubisco General Foods, and they mastered
Speaker 9: obviously the advertising, and they're applying the same concepts to
Speaker 9: food as they did to tobacco. They own the food company.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sure, and it's like, okay, we can do
Speaker 3: that only with food.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 3: I think it's a more I don't know, improving in course.
Speaker 2: So for example, we know that tobacco, you know, by
Speaker 2: itself is less now I'm gonna say safe, but it's
Speaker 2: less dangerous until you start adding chemicals and all sorts
Speaker 2: of things to make it more addictive and consumable and
Speaker 2: preserve it. And that's what happens when you come buys tobacco,
Speaker 2: because now you've got tire and nicotine, and nicotine gets you.
Speaker 3: But there's no nicotine in food.
Speaker 2: How do you make the connection between a national physical
Speaker 2: addiction to something like tobacco and then try and translate
Speaker 2: that to potato chips.
Speaker 3: It's that element's not.
Speaker 9: There, you know. Yeah, it's very It's just I mean truly,
Speaker 9: the food that we eat is very high in sugar,
Speaker 9: and we have the food industry has vehicles to get
Speaker 9: that in. Just to give you an example, two thousand
Speaker 9: and eight, the soda pomp industry flooded, you know, the
Speaker 9: American landscape really with about the equivalent of fifty four
Speaker 9: gallons of available soda pomp for person per year. And
Speaker 9: that's incredible, and we were big consumers and that brought
Speaker 9: in extra calories, and these calories aren't good. I remember
Speaker 9: teaching down in Kentucky and there was the student teams
Speaker 9: to me and said, listen, I drink fourteen twelve ounce
Speaker 9: doctor pepper the day and feeling good. Yeah, do you
Speaker 9: have recommendations?
Speaker 6: And so.
Speaker 2: The band stupid, there's your recommendations. You're fatally stupid.
Speaker 9: He he was addicted. It was sugar highs and this
Speaker 9: is you know, has a certain part of the population
Speaker 9: affected by this. You'd be very surprised how many people
Speaker 9: actually consume sort of pop. But also you know, sweetened
Speaker 9: sweetened beverages as well, and you know also chips, which
Speaker 9: are very high in fat and our so tinety mechanism
Speaker 9: doesn't really kick in the same way for liquids and
Speaker 9: for high density things like chips, so they you know,
Speaker 9: they don't give us the signal okay, you've had enough,
Speaker 9: even though we may have you know, consumed twelve hundred
Speaker 9: calories and chips.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it doesn't seem like it when you're eating it.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. It's calorically that it's dense, but it's
Speaker 2: not filling.
Speaker 9: It is correct. I've seen students down a full twelve
Speaker 9: ounce bag of potato chips and top that off with
Speaker 9: a pizza.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's great to have that younger person's metabolism.
Speaker 2: That's the thing, right because when I was younger. You know,
Speaker 2: you're playing sports or whatever. Yeah, you sit down. You
Speaker 2: could kill a two liter of pepsi in needle, half
Speaker 2: a loaf of bread, and an entire package of baloney
Speaker 2: and be hungry an hour later.
Speaker 9: Well, this is true, but what we don't realize is
Speaker 9: these foods that are you know, high and fat actually
Speaker 9: cause damage to the body. We have a new phenomena, right,
Speaker 9: it's a non alcoholic sabby liver disease. And this is leading,
Speaker 9: This is going to lead in the next decades to
Speaker 9: higher needs for liver transplants. We are sickening our people
Speaker 9: because of that. We think, oh, we have a high metabolism.
Speaker 5: Not so.
Speaker 9: That level of intake actually causes accelerated synthesis of fat
Speaker 9: in the liver, coming primarily from hyper corn syrups some theory,
Speaker 9: but certainly it's from the sugar, the high serger loads
Speaker 9: that we're eating. So no, this is not about an
Speaker 9: issue of high metabolism and how lucky we are. We're
Speaker 9: setting up those young people for a chronic life of
Speaker 9: you know, chronic disease.
Speaker 2: Well, there lies the problem, doctor, right, is it? You
Speaker 2: know you can you need more calories when you're growing obviously,
Speaker 2: and that's why you know, you look at a teenage
Speaker 2: boy and it's my god, how much money and food?
Speaker 5: Am I?
Speaker 3: This is great.
Speaker 2: I got to work a third job in order to
Speaker 2: afford just the food. But the problem is you continue
Speaker 2: those eating patterns, and many people, when they get to
Speaker 2: their late twenties orly thirties maybe forties, continue to eat
Speaker 2: like they're a teenager. That's when the weight gets packed on.
Speaker 9: Well yeah, absolutely. But the thing that you're not mentioning
Speaker 9: here that's in the equation, yeah, is this high coloric
Speaker 9: load that's required is usually tied to the youth, absolutely,
Speaker 9: and to the high activity traditionally tagged to youth. This
Speaker 9: is not the case anymore. We actually have a condition
Speaker 9: called scientism. It's a new disease that's being investigated by
Speaker 9: physiologists because of the high degree of inactivity in the youth.
Speaker 9: They're actually developing old people's disease.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we have one something yeah, something like
Speaker 2: one and four. I think I just read a stand
Speaker 2: on one and four. Young people between twelve and nineteen
Speaker 2: are pre diabetic.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, yeah, it's it's it's an epidemic, absolutely, And
Speaker 9: the thing about diabetes is that you know, type two
Speaker 9: diabetes is that it's you know, ninety five percent associated
Speaker 9: with weighting right though, with obesity. So the only way
Speaker 9: to solve it, of course, is to eat leaner. And again,
Speaker 9: you know the book. If you go to insatiablewe dot com,
Speaker 9: which is the website, you'll get more information about the book,
Speaker 9: but also certain other ideas. I've got videos up there
Speaker 9: and stuff that tackle different subjects.
Speaker 3: Yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 2: There's the thing though, because it sounds like one may
Speaker 2: listen to you, doctor and gold. So what you're saying
Speaker 2: is make food less delicious.
Speaker 9: No food is supposed to be delicious. Using spices and herbs,
Speaker 9: it can be incredible. What happens is we've overst iimmolated
Speaker 9: our taste buds. And if you're going to make that
Speaker 9: radical shift to normal food, it takes a little while,
Speaker 9: but not that long. It takes a week or two
Speaker 9: getting off those highs and really realizing. You know, you
Speaker 9: know people say to me, oh, I can't get off
Speaker 9: soda pop. Well, you know these were patients of mine previously,
Speaker 9: and you know, within a week they say, oh my god,
Speaker 9: I feel so much better. Yeah, and I don't have
Speaker 9: craving for sugar.
Speaker 5: Like I used to do.
Speaker 9: So it's actually not that difficult, and it's really the
Speaker 9: stress of disengaging from that high level of sugar. It's
Speaker 9: really short lived. And the same thing goes for the
Speaker 9: foods our. Evolutionary genes were not meant to be adaptive
Speaker 9: to this high level of tape sensation.
Speaker 2: If we keep eating this way, though, doctor Bissonette, want
Speaker 2: our genetics change. I mean we all adapt to the environment.
Speaker 2: So if we continue to eat like we eat, don't
Speaker 2: dount our bodies to simply change.
Speaker 3: And it may take centuries, but don't we have.
Speaker 9: All Oh, really look more in terms of thousands of years, Okay,
Speaker 9: but really what we know in terms of epide genetic
Speaker 9: changes that take place in uteral For example, a mother
Speaker 9: that an expected mother that eats poorly, that's overweight, she
Speaker 9: passes on epigenetic changes to the baby, who then becomes
Speaker 9: prone to obesity and a variety of chronic diseases. So
Speaker 9: this genetic story really doesn't pan out correctly. Right, It
Speaker 9: does appear that we can have a formula like a
Speaker 9: code for help, and we can't really deviate from it
Speaker 9: unless we don't become chronically ill, and the United States
Speaker 9: is very chronically ill. You know, we have a healthcare
Speaker 9: expenditure of about three point seven billion dollars and seventy
Speaker 9: five percent of that is tied to chronic disease. Just
Speaker 9: think about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean you believe it. You see it
Speaker 2: all over right. We are literally the diseases we used
Speaker 2: to die. If you look back one hundred years, even
Speaker 2: as fascinated by the stuff, you don't you forgot existed
Speaker 2: in this country, you have to look up the definition
Speaker 2: of what it means hundred years ago.
Speaker 3: It's exactly happles to day.
Speaker 2: Everything is largely everything is based on what we consume,
Speaker 2: whether it's a cancer, uh, some forms of lymphoma, but
Speaker 2: most certainly heart disease and things. It's because of what
Speaker 2: we're putting in our bodies as opposed to what we're
Speaker 2: not putting in our bodies.
Speaker 9: There's high correlations to that, you know, quantic disease, colding cancer,
Speaker 9: very high association with you know, low fiber and poor
Speaker 9: dietary habits and lack of exercise as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's all the hard stuff, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, eating whole grains and it doesn't taste as
Speaker 2: good as a bag of Doritos.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know you admit that, would you?
Speaker 2: I mean if you had a bag of doritos and
Speaker 2: I had a bag of kale chips, what would you reade?
Speaker 3: Now, you know you'd eat the kale chips.
Speaker 2: But you can't tell me that the doritos are the
Speaker 2: doritos are one hundred times more delicious than any cal chips.
Speaker 9: Well, listen, I go into this in the but but
Speaker 9: ultimately you shouldn't be eating chips. That's one of the
Speaker 9: radical changes. Chips have invaded our food supply in such
Speaker 9: a way that we have really caused a massive obedience
Speaker 9: in food behavior. Chips have virtually no nutritional value, yet,
Speaker 9: like you say, they're various goods and again a radical
Speaker 9: shift roup you know, stop, you know, to stop eating
Speaker 9: these will open up your case buds actually to appreciate
Speaker 9: the more subtle cases of fruit and vegetables. We see
Speaker 9: this problem in children who are brought up on chips
Speaker 9: and things of that nature. They will not eat fruits
Speaker 9: and vegetables. We hear mothers complain about it all the time. Well,
Speaker 9: what happened is they introduced it too early, right, and
Speaker 9: they for you know they forever captured their trillren so
Speaker 9: to speak into you know what it ends up to being, uh,
Speaker 9: you know, a weight management problem they can never get
Speaker 9: out of.
Speaker 2: All right, I gotta get gone, but I appreciate the time.
Speaker 2: Doctor David Bissonette, he's an Associate Professor nutrition, uh doctor
Speaker 2: in nutritional science, and writes about this and insatiable the
Speaker 2: nation's unappeased hunger. It certainly is the scourge of well,
Speaker 2: not just our generation, I think the past one, in
Speaker 2: future ones as well. Doctor all the best, thanks.
Speaker 9: Again, well, thank you very much.
Speaker 3: Also, I hope.
Speaker 2: That none of this, whether the conversation would dissuade you
Speaker 2: from eating like you're on death row, because I plan
Speaker 2: on doing that on Thursday myself. It's just interesting information
Speaker 2: and it's marketing and it's so American that we have
Speaker 2: developed food to make us eat, us eat past the
Speaker 2: point of being full, so we buy more, we eat more.
Speaker 2: If you know that, do with that information what you wish?
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I look, gluttony is it really should be?
Speaker 2: There should just be the sixths, especially this time of
Speaker 2: the year. Can we just table to gluttony for we're
Speaker 2: just pumped the Brakes on that shall we slowly seven
Speaker 2: hundred WLW. Here we go moments ago at the White House.
Speaker 2: The white turkey has been pardoned, the white turkey. The
Speaker 2: white turkey will be here at twelve oh six. Bill
Speaker 2: Cunningham on seven hundred WLW talking about American giblets and
Speaker 2: that little hag in piece of meat under the chin
Speaker 2: of a turkey. What is that called? It is a
Speaker 2: stupid looking bird, isn't it. What that gross, gross hanging down.
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure what that is. And now the
Speaker 2: white turkey almost attacked some toddler in the White House
Speaker 2: press room. More in that with Brian Combs and Ricky Chino.
Speaker 2: When turkeys breakout, we break in here on the home
Speaker 2: of poultry, seven hundred W WALLW.
Speaker 3: So this happened to UC.
Speaker 2: Game, and it was an f the Mormon's chant that
Speaker 2: briefly broke out at in Ippert Stadium. I thought I
Speaker 2: read somewhere in social and if it's true or not
Speaker 2: that the pan on Steward said, knock.
Speaker 3: It off yesterday.
Speaker 2: This led Cincinnati Athletic Director John Cunningham to apologize to
Speaker 2: the Brigham Young community and the Church of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: The Latter Day Saints, not just UC but also Arizona
Speaker 2: and USC other schools whose student body have engaged in
Speaker 2: the same chant. Colorado was just find fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: by the Big Twelve when their student section broke out
Speaker 2: with that chant in September. Dion Sanders, by the way,
Speaker 2: he apologized, saying the obligatory that's not indicative of who
Speaker 2: we are, No, it is not, but it's indicative of
Speaker 2: the people who are shouting. And that's that's my problem
Speaker 2: with apologies. I think we are in the way. Too
Speaker 2: many apologies age in America.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. I certainly wouldn't chant f the Mormons,
Speaker 2: especially since you know they showed up whooped our butts
Speaker 2: and they donated. The traveling folks from Utah donated over
Speaker 2: twenty seven pounds of food to the Bearcat Food Pantry.
Speaker 2: It's the largest donationingle donation I've ever had. And in
Speaker 2: addition to that, at the Tilgate, over six hundred coats
Speaker 2: were donated by Cougar fans to the naacp CO drive.
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool considering the road trip, the length of
Speaker 2: the road trip. I don't if they came here and
Speaker 2: bought the coach and the can goods. I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: but that takes a lot. It's one thing to do
Speaker 2: it at home, but for a visiting team to do
Speaker 2: that and have knowledge of doing that ahead of time,
Speaker 2: that is spectacular.
Speaker 3: We should celebrate that.
Speaker 2: I don't know whoever chanted that f the Mormons, that
Speaker 2: they missed that whole thing, but yeah, it's I think
Speaker 2: we can agree that's atrocious. You shouldn't do that, and
Speaker 2: I'm going to make excuses for their behavior. What I
Speaker 2: want to talk about, though, is our apology culture. And
Speaker 2: it's because everyone has offended everything. And I'm not downplaying
Speaker 2: the insensitivity here of the f the Mormon stand. It's
Speaker 2: bigger than that, just the nature of apologies. The thing is,
Speaker 2: with apologies, I can only apologize for the things I
Speaker 2: do or did. Goodness knows all of us and our
Speaker 2: history and our life here on earth. We have things
Speaker 2: we apologize for or should have apologized before. That is
Speaker 2: an action or inaction, something you did, something you to
Speaker 2: think of, something crass, out of place, whatever it might be.
Speaker 2: We've all had our moments of not being the best
Speaker 2: person we possibly could. There's none of us out there
Speaker 2: haven't done something stupid, especially when we're younger and maybe
Speaker 2: under the influence of alcohol. It doesn't excuse the behavior,
Speaker 2: but it is up to the person who commits the
Speaker 2: offense to apologize. I don't understand why UCEE feels they
Speaker 2: need to apologize for something they had no control over.
Speaker 2: They didn't sanction, they didn't approve. It's not like, hey,
Speaker 2: if we're losing in the fourth quarter, we're gonna all
Speaker 2: start chatting together F the Mormons. Like if you see
Speaker 2: we're handing out towels that said F the Mormons on
Speaker 2: them and wave them, or t shirts with the UC
Speaker 2: logo on it, the barricat logo said F the Mormons.
Speaker 2: Y know, you should apologize for that, but they're not
Speaker 2: going to do that. You can't, you know, It's like
Speaker 2: I can't apologize for the actions of drunken fans. Why
Speaker 2: it just to me because it waters down apologies, Like
Speaker 2: everyone apologizing except for the people who did this is
Speaker 2: it's hollow and it reduces what an apology is and
Speaker 2: should be. You know, the idea of now because we
Speaker 2: abhor this behavior, why would you find a university fifty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars for something you had no control over? They
Speaker 2: tried to get them to shut up. The PA announced
Speaker 2: it allegedly told them to. I don't know what the
Speaker 2: wording is for that one. I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: just simply hey, shut the hell up, I don't know.
Speaker 2: But okay, we got to find you fifty grand. Why
Speaker 2: the universe had nothing to do with this, Well, we
Speaker 2: got to find you any Why Well, because we got
Speaker 2: to make it look like we don't condone this paper. Well,
Speaker 2: no kidding, ninety nine percent of the world does not
Speaker 2: condone this behavior, of course, not whatever epithet it might
Speaker 2: be normal saying well adjusted, well meaning, balanced people look
Speaker 2: at that and go, yeah, that's offensive, that's stupid, You're
Speaker 2: an idiot.
Speaker 3: Can't we just leave it at that?
Speaker 2: Fifty thousand dollars fine though, that to me, that's just
Speaker 2: that's see insane. Well, we got to show, we got
Speaker 2: to prove to people we're not we don't hate more.
Speaker 2: Of course, no one hat I mean I shouldn't say
Speaker 2: that there's hate in the world for sure, but you
Speaker 2: know you finding someone fifty grand doesn't what does that prove?
Speaker 3: What does that say?
Speaker 2: Well, they must take this thing really seriously, Like, well,
Speaker 2: if we find out who you are. There's gonna be
Speaker 2: problems because you're if you're a student that you did
Speaker 2: and you're on campus, we can make trouble.
Speaker 3: We're gonna find out who you are. That's different.
Speaker 2: Okay, go after the individual responsible. This is like this
Speaker 2: would be like t Higgins apologizing because Jamar Chase sped
Speaker 2: on Jalen Ramsey. TIGA's had another do with this. You
Speaker 2: can ampathize. I mean, if you haves T Higgins. I
Speaker 2: don't know if he would, but it said, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: I don't know what. I love the guy, but I
Speaker 2: disagree with this. I don't I think that's wrong. You know,
Speaker 2: if you're someone in that sacks you guy, I heard
Speaker 2: him and I told him to shut up, or a
Speaker 2: loved one going yeah, I wouldn't say that either, but
Speaker 2: they did, and there should be some repercussions for that
Speaker 2: if you know who that person is. But we're in
Speaker 2: an age now where everyone has to apologize for another
Speaker 2: big one. And I haven't heard this one for a while,
Speaker 2: but the apologizing over slavery in twenty twenty five, people
Speaker 2: still do that. We're apologize, apologize to the trosties of slavery.
Speaker 2: I think we all agree slavery is a bad thing,
Speaker 2: you know, and issuing up. It's like me apologizing apologizes.
Speaker 2: I can empathize and go, wow, I look what it
Speaker 2: did to the culture of generations of people, the effect
Speaker 2: it still has today. I can recognize and empathize with
Speaker 2: that that slavery was a horrific thing, probably the darkest
Speaker 2: stain in the history of the United States. We see
Speaker 2: eyed eye on that. Most of us do, anyway, all
Speaker 2: of us do. But for me to sit here and
Speaker 2: go wow, I'm so sorry, I apologize because at one
Speaker 2: time in America, slavery was a thing. It's hollow, is
Speaker 2: what that is. Because I had nothing to do with that. Furthermore,
Speaker 2: my people who immigrated here in the early part of
Speaker 2: the nineteenth twentieth century, rather, we had no hand. It
Speaker 2: was well over by the time that world around. Now,
Speaker 2: are there things that happened that were racist between the
Speaker 2: nineteen hundreds when my people first came here and today, Oh? Absolutely,
Speaker 2: But again, you know, civil rights violation. I had no
Speaker 2: hand in that, Selma, I had no hand in that.
Speaker 2: If I did something myself, I wouldn't have apologized in
Speaker 2: the past, asked for doing that.
Speaker 3: But that's on me. And the idea that now we
Speaker 3: just well.
Speaker 2: I've got UC's got to apologize for the actions of
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a handful or a couple dozen.
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure because the video online it's hard
Speaker 2: to tell how many people are chanting. Was enough in
Speaker 2: that section to notice, wow, that's pretty harsh. But it
Speaker 2: wasn't like it was the whole stadium. It wasn't like
Speaker 2: the UC bearcat chielders are out there, if the Mormons,
Speaker 2: if the Mormons, they're not.
Speaker 3: No one was doing that.
Speaker 2: It was just the maybe the student section or part
Speaker 2: of the student section, I'm not sure. So find out
Speaker 2: who those people are and then you can you can
Speaker 2: kind of dox them and force them to an apology
Speaker 2: or say this is yeah, there's going to be trouble
Speaker 2: for you at school. But the idea of universe at
Speaker 2: the fifty thousand dollars, fine, what what is that?
Speaker 3: What does that prove? It proves that we're anti Mormon
Speaker 3: hate is what it proves.
Speaker 8: God.
Speaker 2: I don't think we need, you know, to do that
Speaker 2: by a fighting someone had no control over it.
Speaker 3: You just simply go.
Speaker 2: I hope we find out those who were chanting that
Speaker 2: and will investigate and we punish those responsible because it
Speaker 2: is reprehensible what they did, and just kind of leave
Speaker 2: it at that same with you saying, it's like, we
Speaker 2: apologize because this is not, you know, Deon Sanders, the
Speaker 2: old this is not indicative of who we are now.
Speaker 2: It is not because it's a small number of people
Speaker 2: were doing this. You apolo as a coach apologizing for
Speaker 2: the student body. It's like, no, that doesn't work that way.
Speaker 2: If one of your players did something stupid, If one
Speaker 2: of your players said that, go, look, I don't know
Speaker 2: what's going through his head, but we will not tolerate
Speaker 2: the behavior. He suspended for the de X games. That's reasonable,
Speaker 2: But a general blanket apology. Yeah, we know most people,
Speaker 2: most all of us have nothing against Mormons or people
Speaker 2: of color or whatever it might be. And if you
Speaker 2: do and you say something in you're caught, then you
Speaker 2: own up to it and you apologize or you don't
Speaker 2: apologize and reap the consequences of that. But we are
Speaker 2: clearly in the over apology age. And it's just one
Speaker 2: of those things that kind of gets me like it's,
Speaker 2: you know why, because it's insincere. It's not because we
Speaker 2: really believe that all of ours this is reflective as
Speaker 2: it's not. It's like you have to say something otherwise
Speaker 2: somehow you're part of the problem.
Speaker 3: No, you're not. That's the other end of this thing.
Speaker 2: Anyway, We've got coming up at eleven oh seven here
Speaker 2: on seven hundred w dot Tom Gamble, I know if
Speaker 2: you heard Yester, the Ohio High School Athletic State Athletic
Speaker 2: Association has proved nil for student athletes high school student athletes,
Speaker 2: and this opens up obviously a Pandora's box of things. Personally,
Speaker 2: I let's go. I'm fine with it because I mean,
Speaker 2: look at the Elder Saint X game. You have broadcast rights,
Speaker 2: you had revenue from ticket sales. I don't know if
Speaker 2: they get a cut of the parking. I'm not quite
Speaker 2: sure how it works, but a lot of money came
Speaker 2: to those schools. A lot of money goes to the
Speaker 2: athletic department. It goes to coaches and people who are
Speaker 2: responsible for coaching these young people. And yet the young
Speaker 2: people who are the spectacle the exhibition don't get anything
Speaker 2: for it. You know, that's not how America works. Now,
Speaker 2: Is it going to screw up high school sports to
Speaker 2: a degree?
Speaker 3: It will.
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing with high school sports it's
Speaker 2: going to screw up is, Man, if you thought it
Speaker 2: was bad now with the football, soccer, baseball, lacrosse, basketball, hockey, fishing,
Speaker 2: best fishing, whatever the sport might be, you think the
Speaker 2: parents shown up to those things.
Speaker 3: It's going to get worse because.
Speaker 2: Now there's literally diamonds to be had by by name, egement, likeness.
Speaker 2: Can't imagine most high schools unless you are the biggest
Speaker 2: high school stud in sports in the country and that elite,
Speaker 2: elite air you're you know, you're probably not going to
Speaker 2: get that much. I would suggest too, that those individuals
Speaker 2: who are the best of the best and first round
Speaker 2: draft picks, that they're going to wind up going to
Speaker 2: an academy like IMG or something like that, or a
Speaker 2: school it's a private school because they're going to get
Speaker 2: recruited to play there.
Speaker 3: That's how it works now.
Speaker 2: But I think to the average high school athlete, you're
Speaker 2: going to have those parents that think their kid is
Speaker 2: Division one material when they're not or don't even have
Speaker 2: the ability to make play on a college team because
Speaker 2: they're living that dream and while they've always been good
Speaker 2: when they were eight or nine years old, and of
Speaker 2: course you know why that by the time you start
Speaker 2: to develop and you know, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, and that
Speaker 2: it range. You know, that's when you learn and you
Speaker 2: either can or can't hit a curveball right or block
Speaker 2: or tackle or whatever it is. And parents are because
Speaker 2: the money and time and investment in that child and
Speaker 2: that precious snowflake. We don't want to read the writing
Speaker 2: on the wall. We don't think our kid can't do this.
Speaker 2: We want to think that they're And then of course
Speaker 2: it's a conspiracy as to why your kid is not
Speaker 2: in the first team, why they're not getting offers, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera, that it's us against them and we're better,
Speaker 2: and it's not. It's you know, your kid isn't as
Speaker 2: good as you thought they were. And that's fine. But
Speaker 2: had plenty of parents. I think most parents enjoy it
Speaker 2: along the way and go, hey, you know what it is,
Speaker 2: what it is. They had some great memories, met some
Speaker 2: great friends, life lessons, all that stuff, and you take
Speaker 2: it for what it is. But of course there's at
Speaker 2: one percent out there that think a lot differently. It's
Speaker 2: going to be worse and not better. Also too, I
Speaker 2: wonder what happens in the locker rooms where you have
Speaker 2: kids that are balling out and they are recruited and
Speaker 2: you know, wind up getting monetary compensation or whatever it
Speaker 2: might be from local businesses and the other kids on
Speaker 2: the team don't.
Speaker 3: But I guess that's kind of there.
Speaker 2: Ready, when you talk about college scouts and scholarships, you know,
Speaker 2: not everyone on the team is going to get recruited
Speaker 2: by a school. Actually, in most schools, no one's recruited.
Speaker 2: If you think about it, very rarely does a coup
Speaker 2: come along that we're getting you know, two or one
Speaker 2: or three people off this team. It just doesn't happen
Speaker 2: all that much, well alone any school for that matter,
Speaker 2: getting a uscout. But but you know, again, there's plenty
Speaker 2: of schools out there and the like. But I wonder
Speaker 2: if that's going to mess up the chemistry in the
Speaker 2: locker And probably not as much as the crazy moms
Speaker 2: and dads that are going to go, Now, my kid
Speaker 2: is going to be going to they're gonna get They're
Speaker 2: gonna be the next at age five, the next quarterback
Speaker 2: of the Ohio State University. There are people that think that,
Speaker 2: and you know, again, I there's just going to be
Speaker 2: more of them because of this. But in the end,
Speaker 2: I think it is a plus because despite all the
Speaker 2: histornics of administrators and like wringing their hands over the
Speaker 2: purity of sports and amateurism is dead. And it's true,
Speaker 2: but wise amateurism dead because we have monetized. We monetize
Speaker 2: everything in this country. If there is a platform to
Speaker 2: make money, we're going to do it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: The one that got me was when my daughter was
Speaker 2: much younger and like third grade, she wanted to cheer
Speaker 2: and wound up doing that, and you know, elementall that'd
Speaker 2: be middle school, I suppose, and it was kind of
Speaker 2: eye opening as to how they monetize it because they'd
Speaker 2: be like cheerleading competitions. Yeah, it used to be the
Speaker 2: cheerleaders go out, you cheer and okay, great, And now
Speaker 2: somehow they've turned cheerleading into a sport. Take that for
Speaker 2: what you will. I guess it's interpretive like dance or
Speaker 2: anything else. But cheerleading was a cheer We're there to
Speaker 2: cheer on the football players. And I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 2: back in the day, certainly back in the day, it
Speaker 2: was a lot more sexist than it is now it's
Speaker 2: we treat them like athletes and go, well, now we
Speaker 2: have competitions and we have you know, you're going on.
Speaker 2: We had to go like on weekends and sit in
Speaker 2: a gym all for like seven hours watching girls cheer
Speaker 2: and there's you know, and you know, the money involved
Speaker 2: in it, and there's a lot more money than I
Speaker 2: thought to be a cheerleader.
Speaker 3: Let's put it that way.
Speaker 2: But you know, we tell you the point is we
Speaker 2: take everything and go, wow, there's money to be made here.
Speaker 2: You know, all of the people responsible for those quote
Speaker 2: unquote competitions, because once you score, then you can make money.
Speaker 2: If it's just like interpretive, then ah, you're just a cheerleader. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's make money off this thing. And then that you
Speaker 2: know obviously is illustrated here with nil, so it's not
Speaker 2: anything new. And it says, oh my god, that's the
Speaker 2: worst thing ever, Spad. It's been slowly creeping this way
Speaker 2: for a long time. I thought, you know, when you
Speaker 2: start to when you start to monetize and make cheerleading competitive,
Speaker 2: that is pretty damn American, I would say.
Speaker 3: I would say, also saw this.
Speaker 2: There is a guy and I think he's out of Toledo,
Speaker 2: and he was trying to smuggle drugs into prison, which
Speaker 2: is a big thing.
Speaker 3: You wonder why you makes get drugs. It's pretty easy.
Speaker 2: Some many will say it's easier to get drugs in
Speaker 2: prison than it is on the streets. And this guy
Speaker 2: came up with concocting a spray of narcotics, which is,
Speaker 2: you know, once the delivery mechanism evaporates, now the drugs
Speaker 2: are on the pages of paper or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: He smuggled it in at least three items to a prison,
Speaker 2: and he sprayed the pages of a book with narcotics
Speaker 2: and then shipped them to the Grafton Correctional Institute disguised
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Speaker 2: Ohio State's High School Athletic Association has loud Ohio come
Speaker 2: the forty six states to allow nil for high school
Speaker 2: athletes and Nile of course we name image likeness they
Speaker 2: can sell their brand. There's some rules involved with this
Speaker 2: whole thing, but it really is interesting how what happened
Speaker 2: in college now permeated to high school and on that
Speaker 2: he's the CEO of in Game Sports. They produce a
Speaker 2: red showcase, the Skyline Crosstown Showdown, and of course HEEOC
Speaker 2: Commissioner GCL South featuring that sint Ex Elder game last
Speaker 2: Friday night. That'd be our my buddy in a former colleague,
Speaker 2: Tom Gamble on the show again on seven hundred WW Tom,
Speaker 2: how are.
Speaker 5: You Swony doing great? Yeah, appreciate the opportunity and you
Speaker 5: know why not, Why shouldn't teenagers and high school athletes?
Speaker 5: But it is very tricky. And it's funny. You brought
Speaker 5: up about how there are only six states that don't
Speaker 5: have that IL. But here's a statistic since two thousand
Speaker 5: and two when the OHSAA member schools, over eight hundred
Speaker 5: of them voted against the NIL. Since then, right back
Speaker 5: then there were nine school nine states they'd had ANIL.
Speaker 5: Now there's forty four. But here, get a load of this.
Speaker 5: Less than one percent, less than one percent of student
Speaker 5: athletes in those forty four states take advantage of it.
Speaker 5: I think it's going to You're gonna find it's gonna
Speaker 5: be much trickier to do it at the high school level.
Speaker 5: Everybody sees what's going on in intercollegiate athletics, specifically in
Speaker 5: football and primarily men's basketball, those two. It needs to
Speaker 5: be a little bit different at the high school level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in Indiana's surprise too, as big as
Speaker 2: basketball is there too, you think they'd be on this thing.
Speaker 3: But it's inevitable.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at the trajector this time,
Speaker 2: this is what back in twenty twenty two is when
Speaker 2: we last voted down in Ohio and Jamier Brown comes
Speaker 2: along and changes game.
Speaker 3: He's a if you don't know who that is. Wide receiver.
Speaker 2: He put up as a sophomore one thousand yards and
Speaker 2: fifteen touchdowns up in Dayton. He is committed to be
Speaker 2: a receiver for the Ohio State University. In twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 2: he fought a lawsuit that forces the Ohio Athletic Association
Speaker 2: High School Athletic Association to address this issue.
Speaker 3: So what's changed since they last denied this?
Speaker 5: You're correct? A Franklin County judge issued a temporary restraining
Speaker 5: order allowing Brown through his family, right, and that's the
Speaker 5: key student athlete family. I'll get to that momentarily, but
Speaker 5: allowing him to pursue this currently, well, that expires. Training
Speaker 5: order expires on December fifteenth. So the challenge is in
Speaker 5: the OHSA. Ain't says, hey, we member school, we want
Speaker 5: to legislate this, because if we do not, if we
Speaker 5: don't vote this in, you never know, it could be
Speaker 5: the judge, you never would, the governor at some point
Speaker 5: get involved. We've seen that before, right, So if you
Speaker 5: want to, if you want to maintain control and put
Speaker 5: up some guardrails and do things like that, then I
Speaker 5: think you're gonna see. And I've talked to a number
Speaker 5: of athletic directors in which I am obviously not one
Speaker 5: that I deal with them all the time, and most
Speaker 5: have told me they figure it's better to enact it
Speaker 5: now and then tweak it as you go. You know,
Speaker 5: you got to start somewhere, and to your point, is
Speaker 5: inevitable it is coming at some point. So their thought
Speaker 5: process is, let's get it in there now and then
Speaker 5: let's deal with it now. This is a proposal, and
Speaker 5: I've read through and I watched the presentation that the
Speaker 5: OHSAA put together, and they've hired a company called Influential
Speaker 5: Athlete and it's interesting. It's a husband and wife. He
Speaker 5: was a former high school athletic director and the wife
Speaker 5: they're they're the gradys, Joe and Stephanie Grady. She was
Speaker 5: a figure skater and spent ten years doing television news.
Speaker 5: She was an anchor. So they've lived the life. And
Speaker 5: I think what they what they're trying to do is
Speaker 5: educate the athletic directors and the people from the member
Speaker 5: schools of the OHSAA on how this is done, what's legal,
Speaker 5: what's not. So I think here's the biggest points is
Speaker 5: this it's set up. We're the only onus on the
Speaker 5: school itself is that they have to police their own
Speaker 5: kid should they sign an agreement. It's designed to be
Speaker 5: the student athlete and the family and the OHSAA. So
Speaker 5: if you get an agreement you as a student athlete,
Speaker 5: you have fourteen days to send that agreement to the
Speaker 5: OHSAA for approval. Now, on the surface, you know, it
Speaker 5: seems if everybody, I hate to say what I'm about,
Speaker 5: if everyone follows the rules, this would be great. This
Speaker 5: would be a win win for everybody. The issue is
Speaker 5: going to become not everybody follows the rules.
Speaker 2: Of course you will. You're gonna have people want to
Speaker 2: gain the system. As with anything in life. Tom gambles
Speaker 2: here he is missed high school football in the Tri
Speaker 2: State and now it's fish shell. The Ohio State High
Speaker 2: School Athletic Assotization has voted for student athletes to profit
Speaker 2: off their name, image and likeness. We just had the
Speaker 2: Sane ex Elder game. The money from ticket sales, concessions, parking,
Speaker 2: all that stuff goes to the member schools. Shouldn't the
Speaker 2: athletes who brought all those people to twenty thousand people
Speaker 2: to pay courts last week get a cut of the money.
Speaker 5: Well, that's where it got to with college athletics, and
Speaker 5: I'll get to that question moment, Saraily, here's the big
Speaker 5: word I think that needs to be talked about. You
Speaker 5: can have no collective. So what that means is colleges
Speaker 5: and universities in their athletics department. So like I used
Speaker 5: Texas Tech University. Yeah, they had a bunch of you know,
Speaker 5: I'm presuming oil guys who have done well. Say here's
Speaker 5: seven to seven and a half million dollars, go out
Speaker 5: and get a defensive line. Okay, that's the collective. It's
Speaker 5: it's the schools, the boosters. You cannot as part of
Speaker 5: this collective is strictly prohibited. So what that means is
Speaker 5: so it's no different than really re so school A
Speaker 5: where stud player is attending school B can't all of
Speaker 5: a sudden go hey, we can offer you this, you
Speaker 5: just come here, and that is even going to be
Speaker 5: vetted out. Its let's just say because again Tony, you know,
Speaker 5: you know it's going to happen at some point. But
Speaker 5: what's gonna happen is so if you're at if you're
Speaker 5: the athletic director at school A, and suddenly stud athlete
Speaker 5: goes to school B and you don't hear anything about
Speaker 5: any NIL deal. But then after he's there for four
Speaker 5: to six months, here comes this And again I use
Speaker 5: the term massive. I don't know how mad it can
Speaker 5: even be at the high school level, but then that
Speaker 5: school aage he's going to go Wait a minute, and
Speaker 5: on it happens in recruitment, right, I mean, that's supposed
Speaker 5: to be illegal recruiting. It's going to happen at some
Speaker 5: point in time in this NIL personal branding. You know
Speaker 5: all of that, But let's just hope. Let's just hope
Speaker 5: that you know, we all have always said, haven't we
Speaker 5: high school sports and amateur sports it's the last as
Speaker 5: you know, or purity that there is.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: We're all not that naive, but let's hope that if
Speaker 5: it's structured where the school is out of it. So
Speaker 5: in other words, and this is why I don't think,
Speaker 5: I mean people think there's going to be crazy types
Speaker 5: of money thrown around. I live in northern Kentucky. Kentucky
Speaker 5: has legal NIL. I don't know of one kid that's
Speaker 5: been out there prominently with then IL. Because here's why
Speaker 5: you can't wear in a video or a photograph you
Speaker 5: can't wear your school logo, you can't be with your
Speaker 5: school mascot, you can't be videoed on the sidelines or
Speaker 5: on the court. So it has to be you. It's
Speaker 5: your public recognition that you've achieved because of your athletic fame. Well,
Speaker 5: Sonny do this pick any kid the best football player
Speaker 5: in Cincinnati? Right, He's not in uniform, he has no
Speaker 5: identification to school, yet he's doing something for a company.
Speaker 5: How many people outside of the school where he plays
Speaker 5: would even.
Speaker 3: Know who that at all? Not at all?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, when you see the commercial with
Speaker 2: Jamar Chaser, example, Joe Burrow, you know they're wearing it.
Speaker 2: It's pretty clear they're in a Bengals uniform. Or because
Speaker 2: it's good for the league, it's good for the brand.
Speaker 2: I don't understand why the schools wouldn't want to embrace that.
Speaker 2: And the other element of this, too is because that
Speaker 2: makes it less attractive to stay in Ohio. And now
Speaker 2: I were saying there's no collectives here in Ohio, so
Speaker 2: that hamstrings us. I'm gonna are you just gonna get
Speaker 2: recruits like the top picks? And you know, mister football
Speaker 2: for Ohio, mister basketball, they're gonna wind up going to
Speaker 2: some out of state prep school or an IMG academy
Speaker 2: type program because they can monetize it.
Speaker 5: That they're going to do that anyway. I mean that
Speaker 5: that's big time dollars. I mean, you know, there was
Speaker 5: a basketball player from from Newport, Kentucky who went down
Speaker 5: to a prep school in Georgia who is now committed
Speaker 5: to the University of Kansas. I mean, he's that good.
Speaker 5: But you're going to get that anyway. But I think
Speaker 5: if you want to maintain to your original question, you
Speaker 5: know when we started the amateurism piece of this, you've
Speaker 5: got to legislate this, and that's why the HSAA would
Speaker 5: rather govern it. And I think here's the other thing.
Speaker 5: Of the less than one percent in the forty four states,
Speaker 5: the majority of right out and this is a three
Speaker 5: year period. Essentially, the majority are in Olympic sports. Because
Speaker 5: you're not a running back wearing a uniform that nobody
Speaker 5: sees what you look like. You're you know, you're maybe
Speaker 5: a gymnast or a golfer or a tennis player where
Speaker 5: they see you where you're you know, your public recognition
Speaker 5: is just you, if not the team. So I think
Speaker 5: you're going to see a lot of those companies, but
Speaker 5: are they really going to get a ton of money
Speaker 5: or are they going to get golf balls in golf?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know quarterbacks versus yeah, golfer But I mean,
Speaker 2: you know it's still there's some local celebrity element to it,
Speaker 2: no question, Yeah it's and every little bit helps. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you get you know, a lifetime supply of bridge stones.
Speaker 5: Good yeah, Oh no, I don't have any issue with it,
Speaker 5: and I think most of I think the biggest thing
Speaker 5: back in twenty twenty two is it wasn't clarified enough.
Speaker 5: I think the OHSAA has clearly refined this and if
Speaker 5: you look at all the details of their bylaws, right,
Speaker 5: they've put some real time and thought into this.
Speaker 4: I think the.
Speaker 5: Original issue was the schools felt like the owners was
Speaker 5: going to fall fully on them. And believe me, a
Speaker 5: high school athletic director today, you've got be nuts to
Speaker 5: be a high school ad with the way parents are today. Right,
Speaker 5: we'll start with that, but today, can you imagine if
Speaker 5: you had to govern all this Not that you have
Speaker 5: nothing to do here, because you're gonna have to pay
Speaker 5: attention if your athlete signs an agreement, but by having
Speaker 5: no collective and by making it the onus of the
Speaker 5: family and the student athlete and the OHSAA. Hopefully high
Speaker 5: schools won't get overburdened with this because God knows, they
Speaker 5: don't have the staff. I mean, high school ads will flee,
Speaker 5: they will run.
Speaker 2: Probably walk to the I would think so because you know,
Speaker 2: there's that the one percent reality in a less than
Speaker 2: one percent of kids are going to go on to
Speaker 2: a collegiate or pro career. Yet forty percent of parents
Speaker 2: think that that's the case, and that you know that's true,
Speaker 2: But that also adds an interesting mix to team chemistry,
Speaker 2: entitlement issues, and the parent pressure as well. Man, what's
Speaker 2: happening in the locker rooms is the question? You know,
Speaker 2: if if you know the quarterback or I don't know alignment,
Speaker 2: someone is getting paid and making some money off this.
Speaker 2: Is there a jealousy component and other high jealous high
Speaker 2: school kids undermining them and thinking it should be them.
Speaker 2: And what happens in that locker.
Speaker 5: Room, Well, I think it goes to the kid who
Speaker 5: maybe is a D three player whose parents are delusional
Speaker 5: that he's going to play in Alabama or Georgia. So
Speaker 5: now you're going to have to think about it. So
Speaker 5: the illness is on the family and the kid. Well,
Speaker 5: how many moms and dads are going to because I know,
Speaker 5: I've known of circumstances where moms run X accounts for
Speaker 5: the kid. The kid doesn't want anything to do with it.
Speaker 5: That's how crazy this is. So now we're going to
Speaker 5: have parents out there seeking these type of financial opportunities.
Speaker 5: And again I'm not blaming anybody for trying to better
Speaker 5: themselves financially, but do you really want that? How many
Speaker 5: kids won't even know that their mom or dad is
Speaker 5: out there trying to get these deals. It's like the
Speaker 5: old Hey, you know, my son should be starting over yours. Well,
Speaker 5: if you want to talk to me, we're going to
Speaker 5: bring in the kid who yours. And most of the
Speaker 5: time when they have those meetings coaches, the kids don't
Speaker 5: even know what's going on. That's how crazy this has
Speaker 5: gotten over the years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you're going to see you know, toddlers in
Speaker 2: the weight room now pretty soon because he's deathlined, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's where it's going to be. Gonna be
Speaker 2: recruited out of kindergarten at some point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's cot well and that's and you bring
Speaker 5: up recruited. I think that's the challenge of this. You know,
Speaker 5: there already are enough issues with recruitment, and now you
Speaker 5: add this. I think that's where the high school administ
Speaker 5: traiders have the biggest issue. Look at corning up to
Speaker 5: govern recruiting. Now you're going to add this name, image,
Speaker 5: lightness component with financial wherewithal to it? Can you imagine?
Speaker 5: You know, Sorry, the good news is the elder saying
Speaker 5: next game Friday night at pay Corps. That's where it's fun.
Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't fun for Brian Colmbs and his band
Speaker 2: of elder graduates, but nonetheless it was a rollicking game anyway.
Speaker 2: And you know, the weather could have been a little better,
Speaker 2: but it was as bad as we thought at the
Speaker 2: end of the day. You're right, though, it is about
Speaker 2: these student athletes just having a good time. Most those
Speaker 2: kids will never sniff college loll in the NFL, but
Speaker 2: that is something they'll carry. That memory of playing at
Speaker 2: pay Corps, home of the Bengals, their hometown team in
Speaker 2: the NFL, is something they'll carry the rest of their lives.
Speaker 2: Tom Gamble, CEO of In Game Sports through the Red Showcases,
Speaker 2: Skyline Showdown, high school sports galore, and of course Commissioner
Speaker 2: of the GCL South just highlighted at pay Corps a
Speaker 2: week ago Friday. Fantastic buddy, thanks again for the time.
Speaker 2: Well all right, right on late, I gotta get a
Speaker 2: news update in. It's a Scott Sloan Show seven hundred
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Speaker 10: how to keep it, and how to keep others off
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Speaker 5: Good morning, Good morning Scott.
Speaker 6: How are you today?
Speaker 3: I'm doing well, I'm doing Are you ready for thanks? Kidding?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: Not quite what you mean?
Speaker 5: The hell?
Speaker 3: Can he not be? Just show up and eat? For
Speaker 3: God's sakes, it's not hard.
Speaker 11: Well, we we're in charge of making some food. We're
Speaker 11: gonna make some green bean cast role and you know,
Speaker 11: put together.
Speaker 3: We're done. Sucks. What are you doing?
Speaker 2: I think it's good, the frozen green beans and the
Speaker 2: Campbell soup, the whole thing. Oh you're an idiot. We
Speaker 2: can't gid Where's Amy Wagner? Off to a rough start? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, Well let's be a world's shortest segment Uh no,
Speaker 2: well that's good. You enjoy what you enjoy. I get it.
Speaker 2: That's fantastic. So you don't all the cook and how
Speaker 2: many people.
Speaker 11: We have a big family here in Cincinnati, so we
Speaker 11: actually have two thanksgivings, one of my my folks side
Speaker 11: and one of my wife's family sides.
Speaker 2: So that's an all day event. Oh wow, okay, so
Speaker 2: lots of people. Yeah, we're just doing six this year.
Speaker 2: So I got it pretty easy. So not not bad,
Speaker 2: not bad. Ye, with the holidays coming up, I saw this.
Speaker 2: I wanted to throw this at you. Of course, you
Speaker 2: remember home alone, Home alone too, Right.
Speaker 6: I've seen home alone. I don't think I've seen home alone.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, the one is that's he's in New York City.
Speaker 2: This time he's lost a second you think, you know
Speaker 2: after the first time you'd learn, But second time, I
Speaker 2: think you start getting message to Kevin mccawish is like,
Speaker 2: clearly your family doesn't love you and they don't want
Speaker 2: you around, which it would explain later in life what
Speaker 2: happened with mccullay culkin when he off the rails with uh,
Speaker 2: drugs and everything else. Nonetheless, maybe too much information there
Speaker 2: Home Alone too. The Adventure to New York. It is
Speaker 2: a new I love high you love these indexes right
Speaker 2: in These tests of the company called isolate dot com
Speaker 2: reveals the true twenty twenty five price tag of Kevin's
Speaker 2: New York City Escape and back in. This would have
Speaker 2: been nineteen ninety two. When this movie came out, The
Speaker 2: suite at the Plaza Hotel, New York was eleven hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Room service would have been nine hundred and sixty seven dollars.
Speaker 2: The ice cream Sunday feature of the movie with an
Speaker 2: eighteen dollars and so the total cost would be two thousand.
Speaker 3: One hundred and nine dollars.
Speaker 2: That's thousand dollars sweet today six two hundred and forty
Speaker 2: four dollars, a four hundred and sixty eight percent increase.
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety two, the room service feast would be
Speaker 2: twenty two hundred dollars, a one hundred and thirty one increase.
Speaker 2: Ice Cream Sunday went from eighteen to twenty four, a
Speaker 2: moderate thirty three percent increase. Total costs two thousand and
Speaker 2: one oh nine in nineteen ninety two, twenty twenty five
Speaker 2: eight five hundred eleven dollars.
Speaker 11: Well, I mean that was over thirty years ago. But
Speaker 11: that does seem pretty a pretty hefty increase, you know.
Speaker 11: But we're seeing, you know, a lot of increases in
Speaker 11: housing over the years. You know, we're seeing a lot
Speaker 11: of inflation. You know, we started to get some inflation
Speaker 11: data out this morning, and so you know, we have
Speaker 11: seen periods of time, particularly during COVID, where inflation has
Speaker 11: been you know, significantly hot. And I think, you know,
Speaker 11: when we talk about inflation coming down, I think what
Speaker 11: people don't realize it's it's not like we're going to
Speaker 11: go back to the prices that we had before, or
Speaker 11: even prices become less expensive, they're going to rise at
Speaker 11: a slower pace. So you know, when we have inflation,
Speaker 11: we're not going to go back to those prices that
Speaker 11: we've had before, even if it starts to slow a
Speaker 11: little bit. So while that's surprising, you know, I think
Speaker 11: that it probably falls in lines with our average annual
Speaker 11: inflation data.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think too, especially the one that temist
Speaker 2: out paid, would be the cost of a hotel in
Speaker 2: midtown Manhattan, a four hundred and sixty eight percent increase
Speaker 2: in thirty years, whereas the ice cream Sunday thirty three percent.
Speaker 2: That seems about right before sixty eight, but it goes
Speaker 2: to show you the housing crisis that we have in
Speaker 2: the trickles down to hotel rooms too.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 11: And we have seen lower mortgage rates that helped October
Speaker 11: existing home sales rised, you know, just about one point
Speaker 11: two percent. You know, we're kind of seeing an annualized
Speaker 11: activity that's kind of near a multi decade low of
Speaker 11: about four point one million. And so I think the
Speaker 11: takeaway is that, you know, mortgage rates are kind of
Speaker 11: helping out the margins, but they're not creating a wave
Speaker 11: of fresh demand. And so, you know what, we we
Speaker 11: estimate in order from mortgage rates to drop from the
Speaker 11: current six point three percent as far as inflation, we
Speaker 11: need to see you know, interest rates somewhere around the
Speaker 11: mid five percent range before we see a shift in demand.
Speaker 11: And so we're just not quite there yet. However, I
Speaker 11: do think we'll start to see interest rate cuts as
Speaker 11: we move into uh, you know, maybe even December and
Speaker 11: into twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: All right, lest hotel So it's more ice cream, That's
Speaker 2: what I say. Really, that's what's wrong with that.
Speaker 6: Sound's good to me.
Speaker 2: Enough whip cream? You could crawl inside like an igloo,
Speaker 2: maybe say. But you know, I think, and not to
Speaker 2: belabor this, but you know, food, football and family. Number
Speaker 2: two on that list the football as you're watching on
Speaker 2: I don't know, forty to fifty sixty intra bigger TV.
Speaker 3: That's relatively cheap.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, talk about cost of inflation, but yeah,
Speaker 2: you know you can buy a one hundred inch TV
Speaker 2: for like sixteen hun dollars now that ten twenty years
Speaker 2: ago it would have cost you tens of thousands of
Speaker 2: So interesting enough, some things are much cheaper today, certainly
Speaker 2: not the essentials like housing and food, but electronics. It's
Speaker 2: an interesting example of saturating the market with more product
Speaker 2: than it causes prices to drop.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think technology has a lot to do
Speaker 6: with that too.
Speaker 11: When we built our house a few years ago, I
Speaker 11: haven't bought a TV in probably twelve years, and my
Speaker 11: wife said, well, we're going to need a TV for
Speaker 11: this room. We're going to need a TV for that room.
Speaker 11: And it started adding up. I said, you know, we're
Speaker 11: not going to be able to afford all these TVs.
Speaker 11: And then we go to Best Buy. There are a
Speaker 11: couple hundred bucks and I couldn't believe the difference in
Speaker 11: the cost from you know, back in the nineties when
Speaker 11: they weighed three thousand pounds and they were these big
Speaker 11: blocks and everything else. So in some areas, you know,
Speaker 11: like the calculator, when that first came out, it was
Speaker 11: super expensive, and now you can get one for fifty cents. So,
Speaker 11: you know, I think that you know, technology has a
Speaker 11: lot to do with it, and there's you know, some
Speaker 11: advancement where it makes them building these types of technological
Speaker 11: products a lot cheaper, and you know, the consumer gets
Speaker 11: the benefit from that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no quote.
Speaker 2: It's funny because the house that we bought is twenty
Speaker 2: something years old and in the basement they had a
Speaker 2: built a theater room. But yeah, but it's like it's
Speaker 2: maybe like fifteen by ten and it's as like my
Speaker 2: kids came over, like what is this big hole? It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, probably a I don't know, a four foot
Speaker 2: by three foot just big space. I'm like, well, that's
Speaker 2: where the TV would go. Well, why don't you just
Speaker 2: hang it on the wall? I said, no, it's like
Speaker 2: TV's then we're thousands of dollars and the biggest one
Speaker 2: you get is maybe you know, you're you're pimp, and
Speaker 2: if you had a fifty inch TV, but the thing
Speaker 2: weighed four thousand pounds in the back of it was
Speaker 2: much bigger. Right now, you just hang them on the walls.
Speaker 2: It's pretty cool to see that. It's kind of quaint.
Speaker 2: So that's now where the home gym that we never
Speaker 2: use will be. Anyway, that's where the treadmill goes. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about the data return. Six weeks of silence. Economic
Speaker 2: updates are back because the government's back and we're getting
Speaker 2: trickles of data in there. You mentioned the mortgage mortgage
Speaker 2: rates in there, but the jobs report came out too,
Speaker 2: from September.
Speaker 3: Would that indicate Yeah.
Speaker 11: So employers added better than expected one hundred and nineteen
Speaker 11: thousand new jobs. But with anything with this data, you
Speaker 11: have to look under the hood and try to understand
Speaker 11: what really what it really means. And so that sounded
Speaker 11: good on the surface. However, we had revisions from the
Speaker 11: earlier months that showed lower by thirty three thousand. The
Speaker 11: unemployment rate rose from four point three percent to four
Speaker 11: point four so that doesn't seem too bad, but it
Speaker 11: is an increase, but that was largely due to more
Speaker 11: people entering the labor force, So the labor participation rate
Speaker 11: increased and that's a positive, you know. And besides that,
Speaker 11: you know, we're starting to see some more data trickle
Speaker 11: out that I think is going to be important for
Speaker 11: the FED decision in December.
Speaker 3: Okay, very good. Jabos claims too were in there as well.
Speaker 11: Yeah, job as claims. You know, I think the layoffs
Speaker 11: have been subdued. We you know, it feels like there's
Speaker 11: a lot of people that are getting laid off, a
Speaker 11: lot of companies you know, you know, cutting back on
Speaker 11: their labor force. But the initial claims hovered around two
Speaker 11: point I'm sorry, two hundred and twenty thousand. Over the
Speaker 11: past two months, you know, we're the continuing claims remain
Speaker 11: around multi year highs, just under two million. So I think,
Speaker 11: you know, the the aggregate of these job numbers really
Speaker 11: and reinforce our view that you know, I would characterize
Speaker 11: this environment as low hiring, low firing. If you have
Speaker 11: a job, you're probably going to be able to keep it,
Speaker 11: but if you don't, it becomes more difficult to find it.
Speaker 2: Okay, it makes sense to what what data are we
Speaker 2: missing here? I guess it's because it's an incomplete picture.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it's all kind of hovering around what
Speaker 11: the inflation data is going to is going to read.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 11: You know, just this morning we received the inflation data
Speaker 11: data for PPI and you know a lot of people
Speaker 11: hear all these acronyms, you like, what does that mean?
Speaker 11: What's the producer price index? The producer price index is
Speaker 11: a measurement of what wholesaler's costs are. So if you
Speaker 11: have an organization that is buying supplies or services from
Speaker 11: another organization, what does that inflation tell us? And usually
Speaker 11: that's predictive of what the CPI is, and that's the
Speaker 11: consumer price index, and that's what you and I go
Speaker 11: to the store and what the inflation data is there.
Speaker 11: And so what we saw this morning at eight thirty
Speaker 11: was that the producer price Index came in a little
Speaker 11: bit cooler. It was only up point two percent versus
Speaker 11: point three two point seven percent annualized, which is pretty good.
Speaker 11: And so that tells us that this might give the
Speaker 11: Fed an opportunity to go ahead and cut rates in December,
Speaker 11: because this data is becoming a little bit more clear
Speaker 11: on inflation to be able to attack the labor market
Speaker 11: a little bit more so inflation is continuing to cool
Speaker 11: and we're going to continue to get more data the
Speaker 11: rest of this week.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this all factors and what the FED is
Speaker 2: going to do next month.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 11: So you know, if you would have asked me a
Speaker 11: week ago, I would say, hey, you know, probably we're
Speaker 11: not going to get a cut in December. But as
Speaker 11: you see some of this data trickle out from the
Speaker 11: past months, it kind of reinforces the fact that we
Speaker 11: are seeing inflation start to cool down a little bit
Speaker 11: in a number of areas. The other thing is is
Speaker 11: that we didn't believe that we were going to get
Speaker 11: the CPI report, which again is the consumer Price Index,
Speaker 11: until after the FED meeting, which is early. However, the
Speaker 11: government recently came out and said we're going to be
Speaker 11: able to get that report a week prior to the
Speaker 11: meeting in December, and so that will have an impact
Speaker 11: on the decision as well. So it does seem like,
Speaker 11: you know, this data is not only coming out, but
Speaker 11: coming out a little bit sooner than we expected, and
Speaker 11: that's going to be good for market security because generally
Speaker 11: investors don't like uncertainty, and we're starting to get a
Speaker 11: little bit more clear data from the FED.
Speaker 2: Okay, makes sense, Andy Schaffer, all Worth Financial. It's your
Speaker 2: weekly money tune up in a kind of a weird
Speaker 2: week here obviously with the holidays too, and so that's
Speaker 2: that is going to impact what we're talking about with
Speaker 2: the week I had here.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 11: And so you know the December the Central Bank rate
Speaker 11: decision is is December tenth, and so you know, we're
Speaker 11: not going to get some data like the November payroll
Speaker 11: and those types of things until after the FED meet.
Speaker 11: But you know, the policymakers have to determine, you know,
Speaker 11: what data do they have, Does it tell enough of
Speaker 11: the story, does it give them confidence to go ahead
Speaker 11: and cut rates? And what we're seeing on the inner
Speaker 11: circles of the FED. So you have basically twelve decision
Speaker 11: makers on the FED. You have seven from the Border
Speaker 11: government Bord of Governors, and then you have five that
Speaker 11: are actually the FED regional presidents and they're the ones
Speaker 11: that make the decisions. And you have two camps there.
Speaker 11: You have one camp that's very hawkish, and what that
Speaker 11: means is that they want to make sure that inflation
Speaker 11: comes down significantly. They don't want to switch gears until
Speaker 11: they're comfortable with inflation, and then you have the Dovi
Speaker 11: sect and they're the ones that say, hey, we're starting
Speaker 11: to see this inflation data start to cool down. The
Speaker 11: tariffs really haven't had that much of an impact. Not
Speaker 11: only do we think that we should have a quarter
Speaker 11: percent cut in December, but maybe even a half a
Speaker 11: percent cut. And I think that as we move into
Speaker 11: twenty twenty six. You know, my opinion right now is
Speaker 11: it is likely that we see I say it's better
Speaker 11: than half, more than half likely that we do see
Speaker 11: a cut in December, and maybe we see another three
Speaker 11: cuts moving into twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: Wow, that would certainly punch the economy up out of building.
Speaker 11: In absolutely, you know, generally speaking, you know, investors say, okay,
Speaker 11: if rates are being cut, that obviously increases demand because
Speaker 11: the cost of borrowing becomes a lot cheaper. That's also
Speaker 11: a special important for businesses because now their cost of
Speaker 11: borrowing and their debt becomes more serviceable, which allows them
Speaker 11: to go out and hire more because they have an
Speaker 11: influx of cash that they didn't have to pay towards
Speaker 11: their debt in the beginning. So all of that modes
Speaker 11: well from an economic standpoint. But it is a delicate
Speaker 11: dance to make sure that inflation doesn't flare up once
Speaker 11: again and we have to shift gears and reverse course
Speaker 11: by increasing rates.
Speaker 2: That would be It's an interesting and fine line here
Speaker 2: because you know, you look at consumer the numbers look
Speaker 2: really good on must of but people are like, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: I'm paying more for everything from beef to grocers and
Speaker 2: lectures on energy, mortgage of Brant, all that stuff that's
Speaker 2: going up, up, up and up. And yet we're going
Speaker 2: to have a record travel season coming up, and we're
Speaker 2: also going to have huge numbers of people buying stuff.
Speaker 2: Are already seeing the numbers coming out early for the
Speaker 2: Christmas holiday and people are still buying stuff. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: the underlying thing is credit card debt's not at all
Speaker 2: time high.
Speaker 3: Something's got to give there, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 11: So we actually did get a little bit of retail
Speaker 11: data this morning as far as consumer spending.
Speaker 6: That did tick down.
Speaker 11: It wes oh, it did okay, yep, yep, just at
Speaker 11: eight thirty this morning, it did tick down to yo
Speaker 11: point one percent. The expectation was that it was going
Speaker 11: to increase yo point four and so I think that
Speaker 11: has a lot to do with the fact that the
Speaker 11: rush and the surge of buying going into the school season,
Speaker 11: where we usually see some seasonal activity, there is starting
Speaker 11: to cool.
Speaker 6: A little bit.
Speaker 11: That again also gives the FED a little bit more
Speaker 11: leeway to cut rates, because if you start seeing spending
Speaker 11: start to decline, that allows the FED to shift gears
Speaker 11: more towards you know, obviously, if spending is declining, then
Speaker 11: inflation would likely come down, so they can shift gears
Speaker 11: back towards the labor market. That also increases the probability
Speaker 11: of a rate cut December. Now, as we move into
Speaker 11: the holiday season, it's likely that we will see some
Speaker 11: more seasonal spending leading up through Thanksgiving and we get
Speaker 11: a little bit of a Santa Claus bump, you know,
Speaker 11: towards the end of the year, and that's usually how
Speaker 11: that goes. But I think all of this data that
Speaker 11: suggests cooling, not only in the labor market but also
Speaker 11: in retail spending, lends the FED a little bit more
Speaker 11: leeway to go ahead and cut rates next month.
Speaker 2: Okay, in the past weeks is the last talk. The
Speaker 2: last penny was produced be hoarding wheelbarrows from a pennies
Speaker 2: and holding them for the next generation, saying this is
Speaker 2: gonna be worse. It's a penny, but it's gonna be
Speaker 2: worth a lot in the future because they don't make
Speaker 2: them anymore.
Speaker 11: Well, there's a lot of people that collect coins. I
Speaker 11: can't stand pennies. I think they smell dumb. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 11: And I think it makes sense. I mean, I can't
Speaker 11: remember the last time I actually pulled out some change
Speaker 11: and used a penny to get you know, the right
Speaker 11: amount of the right amount on the price. But what
Speaker 11: we're seeing is that there's a lot of people out
Speaker 11: there that do collect coins. My mom has a coin collection.
Speaker 11: She used to collect all of the quarters that were
Speaker 11: minted in all of different states and things like that,
Speaker 11: and has these in this neat book. So there's a
Speaker 11: lot of people out where that is a hobby of theirs.
Speaker 11: And so when you look at pennies in general, I
Speaker 11: think for the average penny, you're probably not looking at
Speaker 11: a whole lot of increase in price because there's still
Speaker 11: you know, there's still a lot out there. There's a
Speaker 11: big supply of them. I think when you start to
Speaker 11: get in the ones like the weak penny or some
Speaker 11: of the last minted there could be you know a
Speaker 11: little bit of a demand there and you could see
Speaker 11: an increase in price. But if you enjoy coin left
Speaker 11: and go for it. Yeah, but your average every day
Speaker 11: nineteen eighty seven penny that's dirty that you pick up
Speaker 11: off the ground, that's not going to be worth anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you, andy, who's really going to suffer
Speaker 2: from this? And the people who make those give a penny,
Speaker 2: take a penny jars that sit at convenience stores and
Speaker 2: stores where it's like, oh, it's in, it's got somebody's
Speaker 2: logo on. It's like, yeah, you need a penny, Take
Speaker 2: a penny. What's going to happen to that sector?
Speaker 11: Well, that jar is now going to become nickel quarters
Speaker 11: and dimes.
Speaker 3: Well, then you got to make new I guess you
Speaker 3: sell new new product there.
Speaker 6: That's you just create a new label and that there
Speaker 6: give you give me all your silver.
Speaker 11: And I think that's you know, we talked about inflation,
Speaker 11: and that's that's really a good example of inflation. You know,
Speaker 11: the penny doesn't matter anymore. You know, the quarter is
Speaker 11: the new penny at this point?
Speaker 3: Are that what was the nickel?
Speaker 6: Give me the nextico then probably, I mean at some point.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, you know you might see you might
Speaker 11: see that in the next twenty to fifty years.
Speaker 2: Certainly wait till you travel, you know, you go abroad
Speaker 2: or something like that. Some of the coinage in foreign
Speaker 2: countries are like manhole covers you're carrying.
Speaker 3: Around Lord Heart.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there are some big.
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