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Speaker 2: Sir Brian. It's always an honor and nice to talk

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Speaker 1: Let me start by thanking you for your service to

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Speaker 1: well sane individuals in electric capacity. You're going to be

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Speaker 1: voting today, I know, you know the Senate blocked Tim

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Speaker 1: it was a close vote, but it was shot down.

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Speaker 1: That resolution I think would have required congressional approval. And today,

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Speaker 1: as I understand it, you're going to be voting on

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Speaker 1: Thomas Massey resolution. Is that what's cueued up? Congressman Massys Yeah, David.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's essentially the same resolution saying you know what

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Speaker 2: the Constitution says, which is, if you want a war,

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Speaker 2: So this is as old as the Constitution. But that's

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Speaker 1: It, no question about it. I mean, let's face it.

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Speaker 1: enter the War Powers Resolution, which says within sixty days

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm missing something, but the way I read the

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Speaker 1: Warpower's Resolution, Congress can either declare war, do an authorization

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Speaker 2: This is the thing. Like so one people cite that

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Speaker 2: That's true if it's to repel an imminent attack. And

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Speaker 2: I'm not like super mad that the Iatola is killed.

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Speaker 2: These are bad people that you're smoking. Yes, but it

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Speaker 2: doesn't make it constitutional. So Congress should vote just like

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Speaker 2: they should have voted for the whole Korean War. But

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Speaker 2: instead you have this passive aggressive behavior where you don't

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Speaker 2: But then you passively just cut the checks. And that's

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Speaker 1: It has, and that's actually become an argument in favor

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Speaker 1: It's a sad state of affairs when it has gone

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that that's basically what the courts said

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Speaker 1: what exactly are we voting on today? Is it an

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the standard war Powers resolution, just as this one

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Speaker 2: the language says thirty days in the War Powers resolution,

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Speaker 1: That is most certainly correct. And I guess I understand

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Speaker 2: There's a lot at play. I mean, Venezuela and Iran

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Speaker 2: I made a speech on the floor of the House yesterday,

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Speaker 2: And look, you know we've got mixed reviews on that,

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Speaker 2: But the Constitution requires a vote, and even the Warpowers

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or they'll end up saying, yes, we didn't do

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Speaker 1: repeat Congressman Warren Davidson. Appreciate your candor, I appreciate your

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Speaker 2: Thank you,