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Speaker 1: It's night Sime with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Beasy

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Speaker 1: Boston's MS Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, Welcome in everyone. It is a Wednesday night,

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Speaker 2: February eighteenth. Of those of you who are keeping score

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Speaker 2: in track of such things, we have a really interesting

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Speaker 2: show tonight coming up at nine o'clock. We'll be talking

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Speaker 2: with one of the gubernatorial candidates on the Republican side,

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Speaker 2: Mike Minogue, who is working in conjunction with Massachusetts State

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Speaker 2: Auditor Diana Desaglio, a Democrat, to make sure that the

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Speaker 2: audit of the state legislature actually occurs. We'll also talk

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Speaker 2: about an individual by the name of James Rodwell who

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Speaker 2: believes he was framed and wrongfully convicted for a murder

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Speaker 2: forty five years ago. We'll talk with his lawyer in

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Speaker 2: advance of a hope for clemency hearing that this upcoming,

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Speaker 2: and we have a couple of other issues we may

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Speaker 2: nine o'clock the eight o'clock hour, though, in which we

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Speaker 2: deal with four issues of interest and different types of stories,

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Speaker 2: different types of interests, and with us from the Northeast

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Speaker 2: Arc representing the Northeast Arc and representing the Giron family,

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Speaker 2: a well known athletic family from the North Shore. Dick

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Speaker 2: and Gail Giron have made an incredible gift from their

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Speaker 2: estate to the Northeast Arc and with us is Casey Geron,

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Speaker 2: the daughter of Dick and Gale, who previously had previously

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Speaker 2: had been part of the Northeast Arcs development team. Casey,

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Speaker 2: it is an honor to speak with you tonight. You

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Speaker 2: had a couple of amazing parents. I think all of

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Speaker 2: us who are sports fans followed the exploits of your dad,

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Speaker 2: and I looked at your mom's athletic resume as well,

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Speaker 2: and she was no slouch. I'm assuming you're pretty good athletically, Casey.

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Speaker 2: With jeans like that, Good evening and welcome to Nightside.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing you I hope you inherited some of the

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Speaker 2: athletic jeans off your parents, because they had amazing athletic

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Speaker 2: careers and now they have made an amazing, transformative gift

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Speaker 2: to the Northeast Ark. Tell us about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I hope, I hope I inherited their

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Speaker 3: sportsmanship jeans really, which both of them definitely had. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So I am so lucky to have been a part

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. And my parents were very involved in

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Speaker 3: philanthropy throughout there, throughout my dad's career and throughout my

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Speaker 3: mother's life also, And I'm just so happy to be

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Speaker 3: able to share this gift that they were able to

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Speaker 3: give to the Northeast Dark, which is really important.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think if I could just for a moment

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Speaker 2: would like to produce. I don't know why, but he's

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Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer, and your mom is a Hall

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Speaker 2: of Famer in her in her own ride, you must

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Speaker 2: have been aware of this. This again, it's a transformative gift.

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Speaker 2: How how what does this mean to a program like

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Speaker 2: the Northeast arc I mean you've been involved with them

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Speaker 2: This gift will basically create the equivalent of what you

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Speaker 2: create and sustain the Dick drawn Director for Sports and

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Speaker 2: Recreation position for this organization. What a legacy. I'm just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the one thing that comes to that

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Speaker 3: about what this gift would be. So when my parents

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Speaker 3: so it was basically supposed to be this is for you,

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Speaker 3: And Joanne Simons is one of the most incredible people

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Speaker 3: But I think that having a position named after my

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Speaker 3: What is this position, and people will say, who is

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Speaker 4: So and I hope that the Northeast.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Northeast ARK was founded, I believe I've read

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Speaker 2: what seventy two years? How many just to put it

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Speaker 2: in perspective, how many people does the ARC serve, either

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Speaker 3: This gifts, so, how many folks the Northeast areks served

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Speaker 4: But I really also think now.

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Speaker 3: Even being removed from it, it's like Northeast Starks serves

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Speaker 3: So I've always felt like there's really not necessarily a

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Speaker 3: moving forward into this position is what joe Anne Simon's

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Speaker 4: Of all abilities to be able to.

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Speaker 3: Join certain things like that, which again I keep saying,

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Speaker 4: That to me is like that's everything.

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Speaker 2: I've been familiar with the ARC for about fifty years.

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Speaker 2: Various arcs, as people know, are spread around Massachusetts, and

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Speaker 2: but as you said, the families, the relatives, the friends.

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Speaker 2: They can go to events and they can participate in

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Speaker 2: I saw the story and I said, we need to

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Speaker 2: talk with someone from the family, and you've represented this

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Speaker 3: You so much for having me.

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Speaker 4: I truly appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: You're really welcome coming back. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: a remarkable true story of something called Phoenix Air, a

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Speaker 2: an operation that changed the course of global medical response.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk with Kevin Hazard, form of paramedic, and he's

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Speaker 2: the author of a nonfiction award winning book, No One's Coming.

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Speaker 2: The rogue here is our government turns to win. Theres

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Speaker 2: nowhere else to turn it back with Kevin Hazard. Right

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Speaker 2: after a couple of messages here on this Wednesday night,

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Speaker 2: is Dan Ray, and this is Nightside.

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Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray, Boston's news Radio.

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Speaker 2: Delighted to be joined by Kevin Hazzard. He's a former

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Speaker 2: One's Coming, The rogue heroes our government turns to when

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Speaker 2: there's nowhere else to turn. Kevin Hazard, Welcome to nightside, sir.

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Speaker 5: I do great? Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: You more than welcome. I remember the Ebola crisis from

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Speaker 5: In twenty fourteen, three different countries in West Africa, Liberia,

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Speaker 2: How can folks get the book? I'm sure, Amazon, and

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Speaker 2: Kevin, you got it covered. Thanks very much for joining

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Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's

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Speaker 2: All right, I talking this program occasionally about homelessness in America,

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Speaker 2: get our arms first of all, welcome to Nightside.

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Speaker 4: Oh, thank you for having me and thank you for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and second of all, love to get our arms

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Speaker 7: Well, government data up until this administration has said it's

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Speaker 4: Under a more progressive administration, the real data.

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Speaker 7: Shows that it's somewhere between two and three million homeless Americans.

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Speaker 4: So my guess is we're somewhere close to three million.

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Speaker 7: But the scary scary thing is this population is growing

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Speaker 7: And the Trump administration has, thankfully within six months, said,

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Speaker 2: Well, the figures that you mentioned are of frightening in

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Speaker 4: Oh they are, and they're being fought by quote unquote

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Speaker 7: I don't use the word underlying. I use the word

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Speaker 4: As diseases of brain. So when these diseases are not treated,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, know what what I was saying. I think you

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Speaker 2: very rational. It's like, look, this is the lifestyle I

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Speaker 2: want to live. I don't want to be in that

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Speaker 2: building because I don't know who else might be in

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Speaker 2: that building. I don't know who else might have an

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Speaker 2: intention to hurt me. It's at least the street level,

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Speaker 2: where I have watched and seen and experienced is really interesting.

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Speaker 2: Tell us what is the Trump administration doing here? Because

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration gets criticized for cutting back on programs

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Speaker 2: more often they do on trying to help expand a

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Speaker 2: program sounds to me like they are at least moving

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Speaker 2: in the right direction on homelessness.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So within six months of President Trump taking office,

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Speaker 7: he issued an executive order saying that as a nation,

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Speaker 7: we have ignored the diseases for twelve.

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Speaker 4: Years, ignored the diseases.

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Speaker 7: Of mental illness and addiction.

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Speaker 4: We need to.

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Speaker 7: Reprioritize treatment for those diseases and funding for treatment of

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Speaker 7: those diseases. We also need to recognize that some people

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Speaker 7: are so sick from these diseases that they can't make

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Speaker 7: rational decisions, and we need to strengthen and enforce the

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Speaker 7: use of civil commitment laws to bring.

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Speaker 4: Them into treatment so they can.

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Speaker 7: Begin to develop clarity of mind and heal and grow

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Speaker 7: from there. So that executive order was issued last July.

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Speaker 7: He then just a couple of weeks ago issued an

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Speaker 7: executive order on America's addiction crisis, which is also exacerbated.

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Speaker 7: And what he's saying there is we really need to focus.

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Speaker 4: On you know, people can recover and they can you know,

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Speaker 4: get on a path.

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Speaker 7: To fulfilling their human potential. We need to help them

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Speaker 7: do that. That needs to be the goal of our

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Speaker 7: homeless system. That needs to be be the goal of

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Speaker 7: our addiction system.

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Speaker 4: So those executive.

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Speaker 7: Orders are monumental in terms of Yeah, how the advocates

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Speaker 7: are blocking them. The people who really quote unquote you know,

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Speaker 7: are the advocates for addiction or homelessness, homelessness in particular.

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Speaker 7: They're blocking these because they don't They argue that the

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Speaker 7: changes are too bold and too quick when they talk

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Speaker 7: nothing about the fact that the death rate amongst the

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Speaker 7: homeless populations is soared by seventy seven percent under.

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Speaker 4: These purpose of policies. They talk nothing about those people.

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Speaker 4: They talk about themselves. Oh, it's too quick for us

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Speaker 4: to respond to this. It's too quick for us to.

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Speaker 7: Try and switch gears the way you're telling us to

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Speaker 7: switch gears.

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Speaker 4: It's ridiculous. So we all need to be aware that.

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Speaker 7: The homeless advocates are fighting for a continuance of status quo.

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Speaker 4: None of us want it. We need to call our legislators.

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Speaker 7: We need to encourage them to stand tall and support

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Speaker 7: the changes that are coming towards reform and restoration for

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Speaker 7: those struggling with addiction and homelessness.

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Speaker 2: You know, Michelle, I'd love to have you back because

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Speaker 2: I remember when we didn't de institutionalized a lot of

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Speaker 2: people back in the nineteen eighties, when I was a

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Speaker 2: young television reporter, and I know that was considered the

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Speaker 2: panacea to close these institutions, and it sounds to me like,

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Speaker 2: finally we're recognizing that closing these institutions, which provided support

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Speaker 2: and help for homeless people, might have been a policy

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Speaker 2: that was misadvised. Let me put it like that. So

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Speaker 2: I'd love to if you come back and take some

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Speaker 2: questions from my listeners, if you don't mind, and.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'd love to do it. And we can't.

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Speaker 7: Talk about that for sure, because there's a lot more

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Speaker 7: behind that decision. And yes, I'd love to come back

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Speaker 7: and Michelle talk with you and your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Michelle, Steve, and we can we

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Speaker 2: can get Do you have a website people can can

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Speaker 2: follow you a little bit more or can find some

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Speaker 2: of your books.

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Speaker 7: Go right ahead, yes on Twitter at Steve Michelle. Michelle

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Speaker 7: is m I C ch E L E with one L.

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Speaker 7: But Michelle Steve dot com is my website and my

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Speaker 7: book Answers behind the My Door is available on Amazon.

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Speaker 2: And the last name is st ee b.

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Speaker 4: Correct, that's correct.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Michelle, Thank you, look.

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Speaker 4: Forward to continuing our discussion.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward. Thanks again, talk to you soon. When we

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Speaker 2: get back on and talking about the Boston universe. Excuse me,

517
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Speaker 2: The Boston Underground Film Festival twenty twenty six is going

518
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Speaker 2: to be happening in March from March eighteenth through the

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Speaker 2: twenty second, and we'll talk with the co director of

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Speaker 2: the Boston Underground Film Festival, Phil Healey, right after this

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Speaker 2: break on Nightside.

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Speaker 1: You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on w b Z,

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Speaker 1: Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: Delighted to welcome Phil Healey. He is the co director

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Speaker 2: of the Boston Underground Film Festival. And I guess when

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Speaker 2: you start talking about an underground film festival in Boston

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Speaker 2: or anywhere, we are talking about some strange and unusual cinema. Hey,

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Speaker 2: Phil Healey, welcome to Nightside.

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Speaker 6: How are you, hey man, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: It's the pleasure absolutely.

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Speaker 2: How long has the Boston Underground Film Festival been in

532
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Speaker 2: existence in our fair city.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's kind of a crazy bit. It's been around,

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00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 6: like it kind of came about in ninety ninety eight

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Speaker 6: by guy David Kleiland, and it was kind of like

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Speaker 6: a meshmash of just like not like your typical film festival,

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Speaker 6: just kind of like almost like kind of an exhibitor

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Speaker 6: or a museum piece. He kind of like thought a ticket.

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Speaker 6: You walked into this like open kind of thing where

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Speaker 6: films were going on in different rooms. But it's morphed

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Speaker 6: crazily over time. This is this will be the twenty

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Speaker 6: sixth iteration of it this year, and it's kind of

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Speaker 6: morphed into something more like a modern film festival.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so when you describe a modern film festival, what

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Speaker 2: movies goes up in a certain hour, Another movie comes

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Speaker 2: up later on, as it's a you know, mono focus

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Speaker 2: as opposed to pick a pick a room, pick a movie.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, it's pretty it's pretty stable

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Speaker 6: in that regard. Yeah, essentially. Now it's been at the

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Speaker 6: Brattle for the past uh well, as long as i'd

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Speaker 6: been involved, and I was the tech director before I

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Speaker 6: assumed the manno co festival director back in like two thousand.

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Speaker 6: I think it went back to a Brattle on like

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Speaker 6: twenty twelve or twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Twelve thirteen. As we would say, oh yeah.

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Speaker 6: Right, isn't that crazy? We get to use on again.

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Speaker 4: It is not.

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Speaker 6: Insane, amazing, amazing, it's kind of nuts.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna use it as long as I can. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so looks the subtitle is this strange and unusual cinema.

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Speaker 2: Tell us what type of cinema we're talking about here?

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, uh so the opening night move not

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Speaker 6: to jump ahead or throw the lead down everyone's throat,

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Speaker 6: but uh the opening movie is this great kind of

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Speaker 6: fun action flick starring the very own Bob Odenkirk, who

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Speaker 6: will be there the opening night.

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Speaker 4: But he's kind of insane, uh called normal.

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Speaker 6: It's based on pretty much like this guy who gets

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Speaker 6: this sheriff job that just recently becomes sheriff. You had

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Speaker 6: to fight the whole town by himself because I will

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Speaker 6: yaku the like you know, we're hiding money there. So

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Speaker 6: it's just kind of like these that's like the more

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Speaker 6: I get bigger budgeted ones. And we have also another one,

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Speaker 6: this Australian horror film where it is kind of like

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Speaker 6: it's all about a body horror about like losing weight.

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Speaker 6: This woman eats the ashes of ghosts to try to

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Speaker 6: lose weight and they end up shocker ends up possessing her,

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Speaker 6: making her do all sorts of crazy stuff. And also

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Speaker 6: like the short film packages are always fantastic because we

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Speaker 6: get I mean essentially, like, if it's well done, if

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Speaker 6: it hits a certain spot with us, with our programming team,

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Speaker 6: and we think people are gonna love it or go

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Speaker 6: baddy for it, we'll put it in.

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Speaker 2: It's the usual. Let me do this. Who's your target audience?

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Speaker 2: Give us either by age or by profession. Who attends

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Speaker 2: the film festival.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know what I would say, ne'er do wells?

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Speaker 6: If I can use that term, people say I do,

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Speaker 6: I love it well, people who like offbeat cinema, people

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Speaker 6: who like to be surprised at movies, people who just

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Speaker 6: don't want to see the same thing over and over,

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Speaker 6: and who kind of want to go somewhere and be like,

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Speaker 6: oh that was different, that wasn't like and it's not

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Speaker 6: necessarily something. Maybe I won't see it again, but I

595
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Speaker 6: love seeing it with a crown, And people who love

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Speaker 6: to see movie with crowns.

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Speaker 2: Are your patrons officionados of the rocky horror movies of

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Speaker 2: a few years ago?

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Speaker 6: Oh I would, I would say, Yeah, I would say

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Speaker 6: people there there's a good mix of people who love

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Speaker 6: rocky horror, people who might also loathe it, but people

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Speaker 6: who also love.

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Speaker 2: Just the direction of it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think there's a whole mix. I

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Speaker 6: think people just love offbeat stuff going to the movies

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Speaker 6: and really loving movies that make you feel something. And

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Speaker 6: I mean, and I don't mean that you're like, I

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Speaker 6: mean just like right deep in your in your bones,

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Speaker 6: like and chilling your soul, but also also on the

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Speaker 6: other end, making you feel great in such a crazy

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Speaker 6: weird way.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about we got to sell some tickets here. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's what we're doing this for right March eighteenth through

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Speaker 2: the twenty seconds. So we're talking about the week, the week,

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Speaker 2: half week, whatever, and the weekend at Wednesday, theatric day. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's right. Tickets are available, correct.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well fifthful badges are available right now. That gets

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Speaker 6: you a path. I'll get you into any screening and

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Speaker 6: all the parties.

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Speaker 1: So that's important.

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Speaker 2: I have that part of and Brad Coolidge Corna Theaters.

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Speaker 2: What time are we talking about every night? Are we

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Speaker 2: talking about during the day and night? Give us a

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Speaker 2: little look because a lot of people work weird. I

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Speaker 2: was too, you know, so maybe if it what time

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Speaker 2: of day? What's it run?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 6: Wednesday, we have an opening. Our opening night film is

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Speaker 6: at seven then we have another film by after it,

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Speaker 6: so it's like Wednesday and Thursday, we have two films

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Speaker 6: a night each starting in around seven and Friday we

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Speaker 6: have and this is kind of the cool thing that

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Speaker 6: I really love and as a filmmaker myself, as I

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Speaker 6: got into Boston Underground because of it. We have a

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Speaker 6: local film block on Friday, like five fifteen, and that

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Speaker 6: could so up quick because it's you know a lot

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Speaker 6: of people from from around the area. They want to

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Speaker 6: get to your friend and buddies films.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, so the whole team absolutely there you go.

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Speaker 6: So and that's one of our favorites. That's like five

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Speaker 6: fifteen on Friday, and then we go all the way

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Speaker 6: until midnight showing at the Coolidge. Okay, so it's at

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Speaker 6: the Brattle Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, and uh, Friday night

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Speaker 6: it's at the Coolidge, and then again you're at the

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Speaker 6: Lobratto Saturday and Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Sounds great. Okay, give us the website. We got thirty

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Speaker 2: seconds left to let him put you start, go ahead,

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Speaker 2: what's the website?

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Speaker 6: So yeah, well, Boston Underground dot org is the website,

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Speaker 6: which is also being updated as we speak. But if

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Speaker 6: you want to get those festival passes, go to the

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Speaker 6: bratlefilm dot org Orbratto dot org to get your festival passes.

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Speaker 6: All your ticketing you can buy at the Brattle Brattle website.

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Speaker 2: Sounds great, So you got it all in. We covered

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Speaker 2: a lot of territory here, have a great film festival.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend. We'll talk soon.

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Speaker 6: Hey, thank you. Take it to the man.

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Speaker 2: Welcome. When we get back, we're going to talk with

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Speaker 2: not only the State Order of the Conwealth of Massachusetts,

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Speaker 2: who's a Democrat, We're also going to talk with one

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Speaker 2: of the three candidates who were running for governor in Massachusetts,

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Speaker 2: Mike Minogue. This is an interesting coalition that is going

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Speaker 2: to get attempt to get the legislature audited as all

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Speaker 2: of us or most of us voted for in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four