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Speaker 1: It's time for another edition of Mace in your Face Now,

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Speaker 1: along with college Football Immortality Glenn Mason, here's Dan Moreer.

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Speaker 2: I almost forgot what Mace looked like. How about you,

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Speaker 2: Guardie when he walked into your studio. You know what

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Speaker 2: I did you even recognize you?

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Speaker 3: You know what he said to me that would you

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Speaker 3: please go comb your hair?

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Speaker 4: Your hair is all wind blown from being in Fargo

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Speaker 4: and that.

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Speaker 5: That's just so cheap fact versus fiction. That's exactly what

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Speaker 5: I said.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe.

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Speaker 6: It didn't look like it was wind blown. Yeah, a

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Speaker 6: little bit. What's windy out? I know, Yeah, it is

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Speaker 6: windy out even here. So well, welcome back. It's good

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Speaker 6: to have you back.

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Speaker 3: You know what. I hate to say it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's good to be It's good to happen.

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Speaker 4: It's it might be a stretch I missed doing the show.

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Speaker 4: It might be a stretch, miss Yeah. I can I'll

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Speaker 4: take that. I can accept that. I can accept that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's coach day on the on the program, Tom Crean,

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Speaker 2: we just had him on.

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Speaker 6: Did you ever know him?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 6: Your pats ever? Cross? You know you've been out of

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Speaker 6: this how many years now?

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Speaker 3: Fifteen eighteen eighth.

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Speaker 6: Are you serious?

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Speaker 3: Eighteen? Maybe this nineteenth year. I don't know. No, two

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Speaker 3: thousand and six is my last year.

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Speaker 6: Oh, you're right, nineteen nineteen years. That see, that makes

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Speaker 6: no sense to me. It does not feel like it's

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Speaker 6: that long.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't for me?

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Speaker 6: Almost twenty years?

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Speaker 3: Have you?

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Speaker 6: Do you think you and material ever kiss and make up?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Mind? Your show? Are right? I mean, come on,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of things, but no, you asked this

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Speaker 3: question about the things.

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Speaker 4: I really don't know Tom, but I know his uh.

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Speaker 3: Family's Distan's family, you know.

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Speaker 4: I his father in law, Jack Harbaugh, And I think

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Speaker 4: I've told this story on here, which.

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Speaker 6: Is, oh, yeah, yeah, you guys had to bunk up.

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Speaker 3: We bunked up. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: It was on a recruiting trip.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, alleghany college.

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Speaker 4: You had just gone to Michigan, And heck, i'd met

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Speaker 4: him in Chicago at a convention with a guy Mo Ankney,

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Speaker 4: who had coached with him, met him a bar, and

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Speaker 4: well they he was going to have lunch with mo Ankney.

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Speaker 3: So I went along and bought me lunch.

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Speaker 4: And the next time I saw him, I was at

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Speaker 4: Pittsburgh Central Catholic.

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Speaker 3: And I walked in he was watching so hey, Jack,

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Speaker 3: how you doing?

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Speaker 4: He hey, you know, and talking and watching film together

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Speaker 4: and then he said, uh, hey, I don't know what

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Speaker 4: you're doing. And I'm staying at the holiday and down

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Speaker 4: at Pittsburgh Airport. You ought to stop buy for a beer,

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Speaker 4: So I said, well, great, I you know network and

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 3: Going to do that. And I went down there and

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Speaker 3: he bought me a beer.

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Speaker 4: And I was eating pretzels like they were NonStop. He said, man,

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Speaker 4: you must like pretzels and I said, well, I haven't

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Speaker 4: eaten yet. He said, I'll order something, so he ordered

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Speaker 4: me a hamburger and he said where are you staying

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Speaker 4: at night? And I said, well, I'm not sure i've

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Speaker 4: heard back yet because we have a low budget, you know,

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Speaker 4: normally parents of players. And he says, well, I just

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Speaker 4: stay with me and there's no problem, and I said right.

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Speaker 3: So I went up to his room and there's only.

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Speaker 4: One bed, and I go and I said, I'll just

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Speaker 4: sleep on the floor. No, you're not going to sleep

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Speaker 4: on the floor. Said yeah, I'm not going to sleep

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Speaker 4: I'll sleep on the floy say I had brother, you're

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Speaker 3: So I slept in bed with.

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Speaker 6: Him that was too good.

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Speaker 3: But with Jack Harbaugh.

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Speaker 4: And then the next morning I get up, he says,

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Speaker 4: you got time for breakfast?

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Speaker 3: I saw, I sure do, went down.

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Speaker 4: I had breakfast breakfast, Yeah, and he went by way.

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Speaker 4: And then a couple of weeks later ago I got

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Speaker 4: a call from Oak. He laughed and he said, what's that?

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Speaker 4: He says, Jack Harba called me and he said he

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Speaker 4: told me the story. He goes, what the heck's that

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Speaker 4: guy's name? I don't even know his name. And the

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Speaker 4: guy that really likes that story is Jim Harbo, the coach.

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Speaker 6: Sure he does.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: When I did one of the games that he had,

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Speaker 4: uh Michigan versus Maryland, and I was on the telephone

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Speaker 4: with him, he brought up He says, my dad told

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Speaker 4: that story to the whole staff.

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Speaker 3: They can't stop laughing. This is he true? I said,

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Speaker 3: it's absolutely true.

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Speaker 6: It's like right out of planes, trains and automobile. Yes,

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Speaker 6: it's a great story.

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Speaker 3: I don't make my book.

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Speaker 6: Uh yeah, who's have you figured out who's writing it?

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Speaker 3: You know yet?

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Speaker 6: I haven't figured out. Well maybe we shouldn't. Maybe we

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Speaker 6: can negotiate sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, you know what the problem

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Speaker 2: is your percentage would be you want too much of

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Speaker 2: the percentage.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm like, there's going to be any profit. I

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Speaker 3: don't know.

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Speaker 6: Well, you never know, you know, I think it would

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Speaker 6: sell very well regionally.

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Speaker 4: There's only I hate to say it, there's only one

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Speaker 4: of two guys that should should write that book because

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Speaker 4: our our history.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, you know what I mean. Yeah, it ought

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Speaker 3: to be you or Pat? Right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know Friday, the birthday that Royce will be celebrating.

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Speaker 2: You know how old he will be on Friday, eighty

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Speaker 2: eighty eight zero. He was actually going to be on Monday.

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Speaker 3: That's not that old.

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Speaker 2: And then he's having some I think he's having some

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Speaker 2: knee issues, which is trying to get taken care of them.

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Speaker 3: He can write it while he's laid up there.

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Speaker 6: You go, that's right? Or audience?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Really, I'm serious.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk about it. We won't be able to

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Speaker 2: do it. Could we stand each other enough? That's the question,

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Speaker 2: because you got you got to be in close proximity.

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 5: I think you guys should recreate the Hardbass story while

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Speaker 5: you're writing the book and.

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Speaker 6: Just stay in a hotel together.

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Speaker 3: You can get your own man.

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Speaker 6: That's it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I know who would be buying all

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Speaker 3: the meals and the beer?

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Speaker 2: You me, Yeah, because you got all the money. What

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Speaker 2: money I mean you got well, I mean you had

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Speaker 2: the big buyout.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you're in. You're frugal, you know, you're not

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Speaker 6: a big spender.

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Speaker 4: We've talked, well, I'm not cheaply, but I'm a big spender.

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Speaker 4: The uh, We've talked about this before. But everybody has

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Speaker 4: to agree that these ads college presidents, board of trustees

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Speaker 4: have lost their mind. I mean, sooner or later, someone's

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Speaker 4: got to be closed doors, probably trustees that's what age

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Speaker 4: whatever to call them, say enough enough, this is now.

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Speaker 3: Your resid insanity.

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Speaker 6: But they're all in on it.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing that I don't know if anybody I

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Speaker 2: asked Guardie the other day, name me the coach who

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Speaker 2: will have the first one hundred million dollar buyout. It's

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Speaker 2: coming right, I mean, Penn Steak guy was what was

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Speaker 2: it fifty eight or fifty about fifty fifty. Eventually there's

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Speaker 2: gonna be a it's gonna be one hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 3: The guy at Georgia, I think his buyouts one twelve.

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Speaker 6: Are you being serious.

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Speaker 3: I'm serious.

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Speaker 4: If what I saw on social well, look it up,

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Speaker 4: check it out.

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Speaker 6: So it already exists.

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Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, but he's not he's hitting fire.

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Speaker 2: No, that's true. That's a very good point. All right,

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Speaker 6: Who's your hotline? When we were tired.

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Speaker 2: Guards you what about that one hundred million dollars buyout?

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Speaker 2: Does that exist for Georgia? Guy it does? You want

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Speaker 2: Okay, well we should also probably mention a text reminds

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Speaker 2: us of I think what you reminded me of the

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Speaker 2: other day, Jimbo Fisher. That was a bigger buyout than

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Speaker 2: the change right Jimbo was was a seventy six million.

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Speaker 6: Dollars at buyout. Yeah, okay, that's about right.

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Speaker 5: And most of the time, like it's the buyout as

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Speaker 5: of today, right, yeah, because they all go down typically

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Speaker 5: the more years that you've actually coached a lot of

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Speaker 5: times it's just the remaining money on your contract.

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Speaker 6: Matt Rule.

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Speaker 5: If he were to be fired, Nebraska coach fifty six

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Speaker 5: point two eight million, Dabo Sweeney sixty million, Mario Christobal

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Speaker 5: sixty one. He's Miami, Brian Kelly Lsu sixty two, Mike

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Speaker 5: Norvell Florida State sixty three.

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Speaker 3: That might be the only it saved.

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Speaker 6: Sam, You're right, because that happens, right.

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Speaker 5: Steve Starkey's in Texas sixty four million, Kaylin de boor

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Speaker 5: seventy million. You may recall it a few weeks ago

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Speaker 5: an Alabama fan said if she won the record setting powerball,

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Speaker 5: the first thing she would do is buy out Kaylen

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Speaker 5: de Bor.

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Speaker 6: Let's see, right, is she did?

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Speaker 3: She didn't win.

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Speaker 5: She didn't win, so he's still coaching. He's got Tennessee

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Speaker 5: this weekend. Lincoln Riley is ninety million, and Kirby Smarts

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Speaker 5: buyout as of now is one hundred and eighteen million.

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Speaker 3: Now you know your wife I'm gonna tell you how.

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Speaker 4: Just like I said before, I can't prove it, but

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Speaker 4: I really believe that there was a secret conference that

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Speaker 4: took place of these ads, presidents and border trustees, regents,

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Speaker 4: what we ever call all of them got together and

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Speaker 4: they say, this is what we're going to do, and

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Speaker 4: we're going to show everybody that we're in control. Because

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Speaker 4: it makes no sense, but we're in control. And it's

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Speaker 4: not Can you imagine I can only imagine the uproar

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Speaker 4: on college Let's say Penn State and they're cutting a

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Speaker 4: programer is, they're raising tuition and they're they're arguing over

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Speaker 4: nickels and dimes and they're paying a guy fifty million

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Speaker 4: dollars that went out the door. In reality, if you

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Speaker 4: look at his record, oh yeah, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: He beat nobody. Who did he beat?

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Speaker 3: The best thing for both of us.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's a there's a lot of guys that

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Speaker 6: Can one game.

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Speaker 2: For a good team if they lose a game that

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Speaker 6: You lost that game.

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Speaker 2: So is there such a thing as as much as

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Speaker 4: Well, let's well, first of all, losing to Oregon is

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Speaker 4: that right now.

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Speaker 3: Now people might be complaining, right right, but you all

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Speaker 4: Going down the road if he you know, if he

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Speaker 3: Let's say beat a high state.

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Speaker 4: Oh, you know, give him a contract extension.

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Speaker 4: There is definitely a hangover effect in athletics. I really

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Speaker 4: for your example of Michigan, you know where we played awfully, well,

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Speaker 4: everybody's still told what if this?

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Speaker 3: What if that? What you know?

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Speaker 4: I mean going into the next week. So if you

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Speaker 3: Well, that's not helping you win the next game.

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Speaker 2: Works both ways. Here's the text that came in earlier.

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Speaker 2: This is from Solid Blaine. We you ask Mace. In

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Speaker 2: all his years coaching, the Gophers had some very solid squads.

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Speaker 2: In today's playoff system in college football, what do you

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Speaker 6: He's saying it would.

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Speaker 2: Have to be Marony Barber as the duo at running back.

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Speaker 2: But you know he's interested in your view if you've

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I haven't coached in what I hate

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Speaker 3: But you know, when we had.

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Speaker 3: I think because of that ability. During that Pio still had.

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Speaker 4: Those guys that, even though we play some teams let's say,

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Speaker 4: we could beat anybody. Now, obviously, we didn't play in

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Speaker 4: sad because I'm a traditionalist, was the rose ball that

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Speaker 6: I mentioned who's your hotline? I do have to talk

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Speaker 2: I'll start it with this as your toss up, because

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Speaker 2: who knows? So, I mean, how concerned should Hoosier fans

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Speaker 2: I'd have to be paranoid about losing this guy, who

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Speaker 2: What's your counsel What is your advice to him? How

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Speaker 4: First of all, I really don't think that Kurt Signetti,

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Speaker 4: You know, I think the only reason why he'd leave

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Speaker 3: They said they say, oh, no, we've never done that

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Speaker 4: Don't give them that analogy, But that happens sometimes.

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Speaker 4: The situation down there, and if they're really really smart,

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Speaker 4: you know, we used to have fifty thousand applications, now

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Speaker 4: Not to mention the financial benefits of every guy that

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Speaker 3: Who knows how much money. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: How come Why is it so difficult for the academics

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Speaker 6: And we emphasize this too much.

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Speaker 2: How is it they can't be persuaded that on a

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Speaker 2: But practically speaking, most of what you say has been

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Speaker 4: So why doesn't some people like it? Why don't think

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I was on this committee. This

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Speaker 4: And I said, oh, I don't want money. He said

446
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Speaker 4: what do you want? And I said, I want tenure

447
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:30,440
Speaker 4: like you. It was never brought up again, but during

448
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,280
Speaker 4: the same course, the guy says, you know, how come

449
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 4: every time when I go home at night, I turn

450
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,240
Speaker 4: on the TV. I see you getting interviewed about something.

451
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Speaker 4: You said, you think I want that?

452
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Speaker 3: Huh?

453
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,640
Speaker 4: Do you think I want to go on with these

454
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 4: jokers and ask these ridiculous answer these ridiculous questions. No,

455
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:52,120
Speaker 4: what I'm saying is they're thinking that what they do

456
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 4: is really really important to them. It is it is

457
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Speaker 4: it absolutely is important. The problem is the general public.

458
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not.

459
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 4: They're not going to look at this. I'll give you

460
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Speaker 4: another one. When I was at who was the professor?

461
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Speaker 3: Do you remember? No?

462
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 6: I do, But I'm like, is he still there?

463
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 3: I don't think he's.

464
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,679
Speaker 6: Still bring it, to be honest, But.

465
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Speaker 4: When I was at Ohio State, the alumni association would

466
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 4: always uh want the coaches to go out to these

467
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,439
Speaker 4: alumni groups all around the country. And I think that

468
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 4: the head football and basketball coach used to give him,

469
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know, four or five appearances a year.

470
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Speaker 3: And then.

471
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Speaker 4: The alumni director he always hit me and a couple

472
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Speaker 4: other guys up, you know, a couple of them when

473
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Speaker 4: he told me one time they kept records at tenants

474
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Speaker 4: at alumni meetings. Okay, for Ohio State now here it

475
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 4: was the top draw drawer draw was the head football coach.

476
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Speaker 3: The next top draw was the head basketball coach. Okay,

477
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Speaker 3: the next.

478
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Speaker 4: Was assistant football, an assistant basketball, and the band directors.

479
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 4: You know, it was six the president of the university. Well,

480
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that's right, but a lot of people

481
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 4: have a promise. So all of a sudden, the guy

482
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 4: that's the assistant professor of history and he.

483
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Speaker 3: Has to go there, what chance does he have?

484
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 6: Not much?

485
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 3: And it's not being endorsing.

486
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to make fun of it, but I'm

487
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,399
Speaker 4: saying people don't have an interest in that.

488
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Speaker 2: Guardsy watch the Have we had any controversial speakers at

489
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 2: the Dunkers? Yeah, we had those controversies when we were

490
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Speaker 2: bring back Cherry Kerr.

491
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Speaker 5: Had any dunk controversies? Is I think it's I think

492
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Speaker 5: we set them straight.

493
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Speaker 2: Well, you you've spoken Dunkers A bunch shot, yeah, a

494
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Speaker 2: lot lately.

495
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Speaker 3: Well, no, they're forgetting too long. Well, I tell you

496
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Speaker 3: a story.

497
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Speaker 4: So a couple of years ago, am I going to

498
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 4: mention that guy?

499
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Speaker 3: Come on, I'm not like you. I hold people under

500
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Speaker 3: the bus all the.

501
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Speaker 6: Time, all the time.

502
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Speaker 3: But anyway, I had.

503
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Speaker 4: A guy, one of the guys there, said, hey, would

504
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 4: you come and speak at the Dunkers.

505
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 3: You know people you talk talked a lot. A lot

506
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: of the older guys really like you.

507
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Speaker 4: Why don't you come back in a perspective, I said, yeah,

508
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 4: I'll do it. So anyway, I gave him a date

509
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 4: and then he called me back and he said, oh,

510
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 4: he says, I'm gonna have to cancel you out.

511
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 3: And I said, oh really okay.

512
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 4: He says, I got somebody better, but I'll try to

513
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 4: fit you in next year.

514
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I have an ego, I thought, you do. No,

515
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 3: I'm that's it. I'm done.

516
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Speaker 6: So that's what'd you name him?

517
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Speaker 2: That doesn't he doesn't even deserve protection When he said

518
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 2: something like that, well, who did they get that's better?

519
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 6: Do you remember Jerry Hill knows Jerry kill.

520
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 3: They don't even have the Dunkers downtown anymore do they know?

521
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 6: It's I don't even know.

522
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 3: Is that true?

523
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,479
Speaker 2: All right, I'll give you one more. Uh, who's your

524
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: hotline question? How do you?

525
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Speaker 6: I mean, you know all the.

526
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 2: Numbers right on the degree to which I mean, I

527
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 2: think that's the first time they've ever beaten a team

528
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: in the road.

529
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 6: Ever.

530
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 2: That's a that was a top five ranked team. They're

531
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Speaker 2: ranked third in the country, highest ranking they've ever had.

532
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: I was reminded they were fourth most recently twice in

533
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: sixty seven, the year they shared with the Gophers the

534
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: Big Ten title, but they got to go. They played

535
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: oj in fact, in the in the in the Rose Bowl.

536
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 2: They're they're one of the worst programs to sit, you know,

537
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 2: in terms of wins losses ever at a big school,

538
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: so to speak. So how does it? How does one

539
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 2: we know kind of what happened last year? You could

540
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: say some of it was really was scheduled, but then

541
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 2: they just also were really good at killing people they

542
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 2: were supposed to beat. But he's built on it. So

543
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: how does that? How do you explain it? As a

544
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: former coach? What do you see?

545
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 4: It's it's for me, it's hard for me to imagine it.

546
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 4: And I say this because when you look at Indy,

547
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 4: I would have to venture to say that during the

548
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 4: course of their whole pro they probably averaged less than

549
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 4: four wins a year. I'm guessing. I think I'm pretty close, okay.

550
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 4: And then now they had some moments of glory, but

551
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 4: not many. But then for Signetti to come in that

552
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 4: quick to make them that good like they were last year,

553
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 4: and then back it up this year. Now I know

554
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 4: things are a little bit different because of the transfer

555
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 4: portal and guys being immediately eligible and no limitations on

556
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 4: how many new guys you have in the year, you know,

557
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 4: which is a foreign to anything I knew, because you

558
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 4: always had a limit of new guys you could bring

559
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 4: in your program twenty five because no one wanted, you

560
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 4: know that. All the people in control said, if we

561
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 4: didn't have those controls, you'd run guys off, which is terrible.

562
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 4: We can't have that in college athletics. Well, now they

563
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 4: want run off. So if you if you if you

564
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 4: bring a new guy in and the team's bad, which

565
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 4: means they don't have a good talent, get rid of

566
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 4: them all. And if you can get guys that come

567
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 4: from the program you came from, or stealing from another program.

568
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 4: You have a chance if you're doing the right thing

569
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 4: and you're smart in organized enough to get better faster now.

570
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 4: Then after you do that, the challenge is to keep them,

571
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 4: you know. Just like, who's a better quarterback than they

572
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 4: got down there? And he's a young guy. Yeah, Mendoza's that's.

573
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 3: His name, Mendoza. Yeah, yeah, he's really good.

574
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 4: You know. I bet you you better be putting up

575
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 4: the arm guard because somebody might be it has a

576
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 4: big bank roll. We go in here talking to him

577
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 4: about leaving and coming to their place.

578
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: I'm looking for example, you go even back to the

579
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 2: Donardo era. You're guy, a good coach, big ten. So

580
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: this is two thousand and two in Indiana, three straight

581
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: seasons of one and seven, the next year one and seven,

582
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, three straight seasons of one and

583
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: seven starting then twenty eleven, zero and eight, two and six,

584
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: three and five, one and seven, two and six, two

585
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: and seven, two and seven. Tom Allen had a couple

586
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: of good years, yep. Then he goes back to zero

587
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 2: and nine, two and seven and one in eight. So

588
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 2: the three years before Signetti gets here or gets the

589
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: Indiana I guess I should say their Big ten record

590
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: is three and twenty four. That's what he's turned around.

591
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 2: Last year he was eight and one. You Tom Allen

592
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: had that good year he did. Yeah, and they signed

593
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: him to a big contract.

594
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 3: That's true. And he went the.

595
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 6: Other one with your thinking of you're trying to commit

596
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 6: to him.

597
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm sure that the naysayers when Signetti came

598
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 4: in last year and that year and they did whatever

599
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 4: they did, I think they really stepped up, keeping his

600
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator and whatever they did for him, there were

601
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 4: some people say, yeah, we've done this before. Let's look out.

602
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 6: Here's a tech that you might want to react to.

603
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 7: You.

604
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 6: I think guards you might enjoy it as well.

605
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 2: Dan, It's amazing how if you have a good coach

606
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: like Signetti and a sugar daddy like Mark Cuban, your

607
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: program can quickly leap into the top ten. I think

608
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: Fleck could get us there if the you could find

609
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: a sugar daddy that could have been t Denny Sandford,

610
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: if mother Maturi hadn't screwed that up.

611
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 6: He's right in a comment, He's right about a lot

612
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 6: of that.

613
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 5: I don't think it was just material that wasn't no

614
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 5: subt he shouldn't say that.

615
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: I don't defend myself a lot, but it wasn't me.

616
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 6: I can tell you that.

617
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 4: You can write that one down.

618
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 2: Big shot boosters have always been a part of this,

619
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: as you know. But I do feel like now more

620
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: than ever, you need a billionaire. You know, cubans a

621
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: billion You need a billionaire, not a millionaire. You need

622
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: a billionaire on your side.

623
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, a billionaire that's interested enough.

624
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 6: Yes, that's fanatic enough.

625
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 4: Crazy enough to put his money where his mouth he bite,

626
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 4: the guy takes his tay anyway, he's a billionaire and

627
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 4: he's i think the head of the board of trustees.

628
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 4: So whatever he says is gonna go down there. And

629
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 4: that's basically what they've done. But you're right, but there's

630
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 4: a lot of people with a lot of money that

631
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 4: have no interest in.

632
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 3: Putting the money.

633
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: That's that's true. It's got to be both. They got

634
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: to have the money and they got to have the interest.

635
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: You're exactly right.

636
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you look at this town. There's a

637
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 4: lot of people with a lot of money, right, Yeah.

638
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 4: I mean, all of a sudden, I'll just say, and

639
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say the Let's say if the McMillan cargo family,

640
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 4: you got more money those guys, if they said, you

641
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 4: know what, okay, open up the cast, that would be

642
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 4: a ball mark for them.

643
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: There's no question they're too busy buying. Weren't they buying

644
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: up to loose? They were buying up to loose. But

645
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: they I think they've stopped. They stopped doing that.

646
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll never know what their plans were.

647
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: In fairness, I should mention for accuracy sake, Cuban, because

648
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: we talked about this the other day. Cuban has not

649
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: invested that much until now. He just said he hasn't

650
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: jumped on the bandwag. He's jumping on the bandwagon. And

651
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: but you know what, if you're a coach, you'll take

652
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: it right. You're not gonna buy. You're not gonna mock

653
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: him for jumping on the bandwagon. If he's writing a

654
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: check for five million bucks every year.

655
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 3: Right, why what do you care?

656
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 6: Yea, what do you care? You just take advantage of

657
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 6: the of the of the whole day.

658
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 4: I'd look at it and say, well, he would have

659
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 4: gone in here before, if I would have been here before.

660
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 6: We've got a question.

661
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: A lot of good questions coming in for you, Mace,

662
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: including this individuals seven to one guy, did Mace catch

663
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: any of Iowa's shutout of Wisconsin?

664
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Speaker 6: And speaking of you know coaches.

665
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 3: Anyway, I know where it is, you know better than most.

666
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 6: Absolutely watched the game with that.

667
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. I probably had a beer with the guy.

668
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: I mean, can it get worse than it is in Madison?

669
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 4: No?

670
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: I you know, I was shocked. I mean I've said

671
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 3: it before.

672
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 4: Luke Fickle I thought when they hired him in a

673
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 4: sense and I thought he was a home run. And man,

674
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 4: it's going to be a struggle turning around. It's going

675
00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 4: from bad to worse. And for I to score thirty

676
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 4: seven points, is that right.

677
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: Down the zip? Now?

678
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 4: Usually maybe because at times they you know, the Eyewa defense,

679
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 4: but thirty seven points. Iowa can't score thirty seven points

680
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 4: on air, you know what I mean? That's there must

681
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 4: be And I don't know if they've got injuries.

682
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: I don't know what the problem is.

683
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: Uh, But there's gotta be a lot a lot of

684
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 4: unhappy campers over there. And you'd have to think, uh,

685
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 4: I guess the good side of big buyouts.

686
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: If it didn't have a big buyout he probably gone.

687
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk some Gophers Purdue, and then they're

688
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: preparing for a big game Friday night here on national

689
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: TV against the Nebraska Cornhuskers. Mace in your face continues,

690
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: Mace in your illustrious coaching career, did you ever bring

691
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: your players together during a game, or let's say, at halftime,

692
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: to say, guys, they are begging us to win this game.

693
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 6: We are going to regret it for the.

694
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: Rest of our lives if we do not take advantage

695
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: of the opportunity they offer. Because to me, that's basically

696
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: what PJ. Flex should have said at some point in

697
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: that game when they're playing the Purdue boil Makers.

698
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 6: Did you ever do that?

699
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if I used exactly you know, those terms.

700
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 6: I feel a little melodramatic.

701
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean there have been times that, you know,

702
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 4: you get in there and you say, hey, fellas.

703
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: This game want to be over already.

704
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 4: You know, you know, three times in the red zone

705
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 4: and we end up trying three field goals and we

706
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 4: missed one, and the other time we're going and we

707
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 4: fumbled the ball. We're a lot better than they are.

708
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 4: They're not very good. You look at them. We should

709
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 4: be running away with this game.

710
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 6: That's that was my impression of Gophers Purdue.

711
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: What did I don't know how much of it you

712
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: got to see, you know, because you said you tried

713
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: to find it.

714
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 3: I couldn't. I couldn't. I was up and far and

715
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: it was on the Big ten network.

716
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 4: And the electronic devices that were afforded to me.

717
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: It wasn't on there.

718
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 6: I could network was not included.

719
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't on there. Just terrible.

720
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Guardian and I talked about this. Vikings run

721
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: defense has been awful this year. Gophers run defense similarly

722
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: awful this year. What what's that about? I mean, generally speaking,

723
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: is it always?

724
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 4: Is it?

725
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 6: You just not stout enough of the line of scrip.

726
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 4: No, that's where it starts, you know, the old the

727
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 4: old saying about you know that the first thing you

728
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 4: had to do is you got to control the line

729
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 4: of scrimmage.

730
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 3: You had to win up for you.

731
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 4: And as I remind yards you all the time, that

732
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 4: figures lie and liars figure. So not being able to

733
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,959
Speaker 4: watch that game, you look at the stats, which you know,

734
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 4: you know can be misleading. But the thing that jumped

735
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 4: up to me, the thing that you're talking about, and.

736
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: This has been a recurring thing for the Golphers.

737
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 4: From my advantage point, they have trouble running the football.

738
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 4: I think they ran the ball for thirty yards.

739
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: Is that accurate? Caards? Thirty yards?

740
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 4: And then on the flip side Purdue, I think they

741
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 4: rushed for two hundred and fifty yards or more. You know,

742
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 4: I mean to me, there's something at a balance. And

743
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 4: you remember a week ago we were talking about the

744
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 4: Gophers against the highest state and I talked about mismatch

745
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 4: of talent.

746
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 3: Everybody could see that, let's face it.

747
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 4: But I said the offensive line, you know, for the

748
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 4: most part against a very good defensive line of Ohio State,

749
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 4: I thought they pass protected pretty darn well. But in

750
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 4: the run game they got manhandled. Watching I'm watching that

751
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 4: part of it, and I'm you know, I'm an old

752
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 4: offensive line card. You get knocked backwards, that happens, you

753
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 4: can't run the football. So I don't know if that's

754
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 4: the only answer. But when you have the point of

755
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 4: the Gophers and the Vikings, you know, you talk about

756
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 4: when we had the running really good running backs, well

757
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 4: we had awful good linemen. And when need to start

758
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 4: talking about Esslinger and I can't get this. I can't

759
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 4: get him in the Hall of Fame guards. I don't

760
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 4: know if I ever told you that, but never they

761
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 4: on the Outland Trophy. But uh, we had him and

762
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 4: those other guys that we had, not just him, but

763
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 4: we had five guys that, you know, could really Mark Setterstrom.

764
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 4: I mean, he is as good as you know. He

765
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 4: got overshadowed marked it because how good Eslinger was. But

766
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 4: sometimes those guys had run through the line. Everybody but cheering.

767
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 4: I think, heck, I gotta ran through there, you know

768
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. And so that was the perfect storm

769
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 4: wire running attack was so could.

770
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: We have guys could really and we had guys that

771
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 3: knew what to do with it.

772
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 2: Speaking of we, I got head guards to get some

773
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: sound I want you to listen to from speaking of Signetti.

774
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 2: This is I don't know what network this was on.

775
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 2: It's on Joel Klatt's podcast, Joel Klatz podsca podcast because

776
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: the subject came up whether there's you know, there's too

777
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: many people who've been disrespectful of Indiana, including who's the

778
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 2: SEC guy who's not going to run for Senate Paul

779
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: Feinbaum continues to hammer Indiana and at least the coach

780
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: listen to the theory offered up here. I want to

781
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: get your reaction to it, if you think there's anything

782
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: to it, or you think Signetti is being like many

783
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: coaches tend to be a little bit paranoid.

784
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 7: When he says this, Let's listen and let's face it.

785
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 7: You know, college athletics, college football has really changed a lot,

786
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 7: you know, in the last five ten to fifteen years,

787
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 7: and there's a division, there's no doubt about it in

788
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 7: the media, and a lot of it's tied into whatever

789
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 7: TV network is covering which conference, and then you're going

790
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 7: to have sports writers that support those schools and are

791
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 7: against the other schools. So there is definitely a great divide.

792
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: He's basically saying, if you have an se pro sec

793
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: bias because your network is doing more of their games,

794
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 2: that's why you tend to minimize success, for example, by

795
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,479
Speaker 2: Indiana and the Big Ten.

796
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 6: You think he's anything to that, or you think he's

797
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 6: being a little paranoid.

798
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 4: No, I think there's something to it. I can only

799
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 4: speak from personal experience. You know, when I was with

800
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 4: the Big Ten network, and I think you'd have a

801
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 4: hard time going back and saying, oh, he's pulling for Minnesota,

802
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 4: he's pulling for a highest state. No, I pulled for

803
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 4: the Big Ten. And I'd get a little defensive sometimes

804
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 4: when Yeah, back in those days when said, oh, SEC,

805
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 4: you know, any team in the SEC could win the

806
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 4: Big Ten, and said, well, wait a minute, that's you

807
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 4: know that's not true. Now, you know, I don't know

808
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 4: Paul Feinbaum. He's got all the Who did he play

809
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 4: for anyway?

810
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 3: That guy? Huh huh. I think he played for Indiana.

811
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 6: Could have in the old days, that's for sure.

812
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 2: And he's he's in a run for he's thinking about

813
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: running for South I don't know if that's fishing.

814
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: You don't think we got problems in the government? Huh?

815
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: You might get maybe I had to do that.

816
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 6: What do you think we've talked about that before?

817
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 5: We had you Wise at a mayor. You didn't want

818
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 5: to do it and want to Yeah, we we would

819
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 5: have started the campaign. Yeah, I didn't live in Wise,

820
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 5: that though, that was the That was the well.

821
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: That's never stopped many people from running for various offices.

822
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 6: That's for sure. Uh six one two guy right right?

823
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 6: How can Pja recruit.

824
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: When even a millionaire in Fargo can't get the Gophers

825
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 2: on TV.

826
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 6: Pretty good point. Who was me, Yeah, you're the millionaire,

827
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 6: of course, Yeah, no question about that.

828
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 3: Well that's it. That's I guess that's a little bit

829
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 3: of problem.

830
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 4: You know. One thing I saw, and I don't know

831
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 4: if this was a glitch or whatever, but I was

832
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 4: I was watching one of the games that was on.

833
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 4: I want to say it was on AB seed Man,

834
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 4: I might be wrong, And who have been on ABC?

835
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: It would have been Alabama or something.

836
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 4: Uh. And I was watching the game and it's coming

837
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 4: right down to the end, you know what I mean,

838
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 4: And it went through the over the time period for

839
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 4: the North Dakota state and that was going to be

840
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 4: on there.

841
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 3: They flipped it right over, they did, I mean right.

842
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: Over, not even not even a.

843
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: Boom. I thought I inadvertently changed the channel.

844
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: No they didn't, well did. They must have moved it

845
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: maybe to one or the other. Maybe they moved to

846
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 2: ESPN four or something. I don't have the same as ABC.

847
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 4: I don't.

848
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: I don't think they. I don't know.

849
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 4: I forgot I think it was it might have been

850
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 4: one of those other channels. But I'm not sure.

851
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: Gophers have a big one Friday night. Yeah, they are

852
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: hosting the Nebraska Cornhuskers. What do you make of that matchup?

853
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: What do you make of the condition of both clubs

854
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: right now going into that game?

855
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's a obviously on paper, it's a

856
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 4: big game. Nebraska, as we have said over the years,

857
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 4: is not really Nebraska. But here they're sitting five and one,

858
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 4: and now they're going to play at Friday. And I

859
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 4: think they played away last week too, didn't.

860
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 6: They did that Maryland.

861
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 4: I think, well, that's tough to play away at Maryland.

862
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 4: They come back from away game and have to play

863
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 4: on a Friday night. But they agreed to it, I

864
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 4: guess to play Minnesota, and I'm sure in their camp

865
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 4: they're thinking, well, if we play well, we should win

866
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 4: this game to go to six and one.

867
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 3: You know, which is.

868
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 6: Their ranked twenty fifth?

869
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, twenty fifth, so they haven't been ranked

870
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 4: a long time. But at the same time, if you're PJ.

871
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 4: Fleck and the Gophers, you're thinking, well, you know, uh,

872
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 4: you know, we lost the game that we really feel

873
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 4: bad about in California.

874
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 3: You know, we played Buckeyes.

875
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 4: That's okay, We probably won a game that you know,

876
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 4: last week we should have won bigger. But this game's

877
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 4: really important because we got to go to five and two.

878
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 4: We don't want to go to four and three. So

879
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know.

880
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 3: I I think it's probably going to come down to.

881
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 4: You would think that Matt Rule would think telling his

882
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator to date, these guys are one dimensional, you.

883
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Speaker 3: Know, and this quick.

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't know what happened to the quarterback

885
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Speaker 4: because I couldn't see it, but statistically he was not

886
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Speaker 4: good last week. I was. I was raving about him

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Speaker 4: the week before, you know, And so give him protection.

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Speaker 4: You think he can pick you apart. So you better

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Speaker 4: be pretty good because we got to force these guys

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Speaker 4: to run the football and see if we can hold up.

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Speaker 4: And then on the other end of that, you know,

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Speaker 4: in the old days, I'm gonna say that Tom Osborne, Nebraska,

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Speaker 4: they'd have looked at the film of last week Purdue

894
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Speaker 4: and they would have said, if Purdue can rush the

895
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Speaker 4: ball for two hundred and fifty yards, we're talking about

896
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Speaker 4: five hundred. I mean, they would run the ball until

897
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Speaker 4: you wave the white flag. So I think it's a

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Speaker 4: I think it's an important game. I think it's a

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Speaker 4: defining game going forward for both very much.

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Speaker 7: So.

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Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, we want we wrap up, want

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Speaker 2: And also they apparently were crowned Legends champion in the

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Speaker 2: Minnesota Monthly Bracket Challenge, so they're rightly quite others.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's that's not easy to do.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait till you take us over there. I

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Speaker 3: really can't.

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Speaker 6: Well, we will do it. We'll do it. The problem

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Speaker 6: is you're not in town enough. Well, you're either in

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Speaker 6: Fargo or Florida.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be I'm gonna be here for We'll be

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Speaker 3: here for a while.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, we'll make it work. Anything else before

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Speaker 6: we go.

916
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: There's you know, there's a there was a a couple

918
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Speaker 4: I think big games that we're talking about. Uh, you

919
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Speaker 4: talk about going from bad to worse. You know, Wisconsin plays.

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Speaker 6: This now Oregon back to back.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they just got out of the easy part of

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Speaker 5: their schedule.

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Speaker 4: And then and then we talked about Iowa what they

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Speaker 4: did in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 3: You know they played this week Penn State. Penn State.

926
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Speaker 4: Now Iowa was sitting at four and two, so I'm

927
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Speaker 4: sure they're thinking about this game.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, this is just like the Gophers.

929
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Speaker 4: There's an opportunity, you know, for us to go you know,

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Speaker 4: five and two and then let's not be remiss.

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Speaker 3: Usc and Notre Dame. Now, you know Notre Dame lost

932
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Speaker 3: their first two.

933
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Speaker 4: Games, but everybody out there, all these announcers, all their

934
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Speaker 4: college football playoff team, because they are going to run

935
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Speaker 4: the table. They lose this game, you can forget about it.

936
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Speaker 4: They're not going to get in the college football playoff

937
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Speaker 4: with three losses.

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Speaker 2: Some good matchups, all right, Well, good to see you.

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Speaker 2: You're going to be back here next week, Yes, upstanding,

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Speaker 2: no rumor, Thanks for coming in. Good to see as always, Kessler.

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Speaker 2: In about a half hour, our Top five.

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Speaker 5: Next, which will include you've talked about the zimmerization of

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Speaker 5: Kevin O'Connell. I'll give you the sabanization of Kevin O'Connell.