1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray. 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 2: I'm telling you Boston's Beach Radio. 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 3: Well, it's been kind of an interesting night here on Nightside. 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 3: I hope you've stayed with us. I know there's a 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 3: lot going on. We have had this this week and 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 3: the week's not over. I mean we're still Thursday Night, folks. 7 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 3: But it began last Saturday, Saturday afternoon, when someone murdered 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 3: two Brown University students at a study inside a study hall. 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 3: It was critically wounded nine others. I believe that six 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 3: of them are still in the hospital. All of them 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 3: are expected to survive. And then Monday night, a professor, 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 3: well known, well respected professor at MIT, Professor Nuno Loreiro, 13 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 3: who was the director of the school's Plasma Science and 14 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: Fusion Center and a professor of nuclear science and engineering 15 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 3: and physics, was shot to death. Now Lrrero received his 16 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 3: undergraduate degree in physics from the Institute Superior Technico in Lisbon, Portugal. 17 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 3: He then obtained his doctorate in the same subject at 18 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: the Imperial College in London in the United Kingdom. It 19 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 3: has become apparent tonight that the shooter in this case 20 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 3: a coward who took the lives of people three people 21 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: and injured others as a forty eight year old Portugal 22 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: Portuguese national Claudio Nevis Valente, who apparently tried to get 23 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 3: a physics doctorate at Brown and he dropped out in 24 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: the spring of two thousand and one. And he also 25 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: had studied in Portugal at the same university. It now 26 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: appears in what authorities are telling us at the same 27 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 3: university that Professor Lorrero study at the same time nineteen 28 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 3: ninety five to two thousand. So he had beef in 29 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: his mind with Brown University, which didn't provide him with 30 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 3: his doctorate because he withdrew, and he had a beef 31 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 3: with this guy, this professor from MIT, who was brilliant 32 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 3: and also the head of one of their nuclear He 33 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 3: was the head director of the school's plasma Science and 34 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: Fusion Center. I don't even know what that means, but 35 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: that's how that's smart. This guy must have been and 36 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 3: he was a professor of nuclear science and engineering and physics. 37 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 3: So this is more failure in his life. Claudio Navis 38 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 3: Valente cut short the lives of two students, one a 39 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 3: sophomore from Birmingham, Alabama and a freshman who came here 40 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 3: from Muzbekistan as well as professor the professor from MIT. So, 41 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 3: huh would have been nice if they were more cameras, 42 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 3: better cameras in the vicinity where this shooting occurred. Maybe 43 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 3: they could have stopped this guy. Maybe they couldn't have 44 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 3: stopped him from going in and shooting the students in 45 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: the study session. But it brings us back to the argument. 46 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: You have some people like me who believes that there 47 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 3: should be more public cameras. We use public cameras to 48 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 3: raise revenue in different cities. If you park in a bus, 49 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 3: if you drive in a bus lane, or if you 50 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 3: park in a bus lane, you get a ticket. They 51 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: use cameras on the Massachusetts Turnpike, so when you drive 52 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: from here to New York, they know exactly how fast 53 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 3: you were going, and they know how many toll sets 54 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 3: of tolls you went through on the way to New York. 55 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 3: And you get it. You get your bill and the mail. 56 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 3: There are some people who don't want to see any cameras. 57 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: I think cameras help solve crime. I think cameras, doorbell 58 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 3: cameras reduce crime. So this is an age old argument. 59 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 3: When you think about it, it's an age old argument 60 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 3: public cameras versus personal privacy. We live in a world 61 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 3: where technology. We didn't have cameras one hundred years ago. Well, 62 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: I guess they had some cameras, but you had to 63 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: go to a studio and stand and some guy put 64 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 3: a hood over his hat and he took your camera picture. Maybe, 65 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 3: but everybody has a camera now, everybody has a camera. 66 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 3: I mentioned last Hour briefly unfortunately, and briefly we had 67 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 3: on Cambridge City Councilor Patty Nolan uh and Uh. I 68 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: told her that when I was worked as a TV reporter, 69 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: people would be taking pictures of a street, just beauty 70 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 3: shots or shots of people walking, and people come up, 71 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: you God, take my picture. Well, yes you can, if 72 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 3: you want to ask us. I never took someone's picture 73 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: who didn't want that picture taken. There was someone walking 74 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: down the street with someone that they didn't want to 75 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 3: be seen with. I'm not going to take a picture, 76 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 3: but maybe the camera up on the post will. So 77 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 3: I think we live in a world with cameras. We 78 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,239 Speaker 3: want police to wear body cameras. I think police should 79 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 3: wear body cameras. I think will actually help police, by 80 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 3: the way, because it will also record the abuse that 81 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: police have subjected to. So I'd like to hear from 82 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: you six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six 83 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: one seven, nine three one ten thirty. In terms of 84 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 3: public cameras, do you want more or less? Apparently in 85 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: Cambridge there was concern that some of the information on 86 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 3: the cameras was being shared with ICE. That's a specific 87 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 3: use of the public camera that should be decided. Well, 88 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: I think it should be decided by the federal law. 89 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 3: But that's neither here nor there. I'm not necessarily interested 90 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 3: in talking about that, but I think I think we 91 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: need more cameras. I think everybody, when they're out in 92 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: public should understand they're not in private, and what they 93 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 3: might want to do in private they can't do in public, 94 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 3: or if they do it in public, they do it 95 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 3: at their own risk. As simple as that. If you 96 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 3: don't want to be seen with someone in public, then 97 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: don't seem in public. I guess I'm pretty simplistic. Let 98 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 3: me go to Daniel in New Hampshire. Daniel, welcome back 99 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 3: to Nightside. How are you. 100 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 2: Hi, Dan? Thanks for taking my phone call. You have 101 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: a very nice voice for radio. 102 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 3: I want to I don't know how to take that, 103 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: but I will take that as a compliment. Go right ahead, Daniel, 104 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 3: go ahead. 105 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: All right, sir. Uh yeah, So the comp so the uh, 106 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: the argument about the more cameras or less cameras. I 107 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 2: think the camera, having a public camera is is a 108 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: very good tool, security tool. But at the same time, 109 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: I think when someone doesn't act like this, it's sometimes 110 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: I feel like they take advantage of the camera, like 111 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: they're enabling more more automated technology where more cameras, and 112 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 2: then other people suffer because of that reason. Why identify? 113 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, Daniel, let me understand why why do people suffer? 114 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 3: In other words, if if let's say you, I don't know, 115 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: you know, walk to a Let's just take a hypothetical 116 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 3: question a situation. You walk to a store and as 117 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 3: you walk down the street, there's not many people around, 118 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 3: and a guy comes up to you and sticks a 119 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 3: gun in your back and says, give me your money 120 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: and don't look at me, don't turn around, and you 121 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 3: decide discretion is the better part of valor, and instead 122 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 3: of trying to fight the guy and maybe get shot, 123 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 3: you give him your wallet and he disappears. Now, if 124 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 3: there had been a camera shooting taking a video when 125 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 3: the police arrived, they could look at the camera and 126 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 3: maybe get a picture of who the guy was. 127 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 2: I would think, right, I think that, I think you're 128 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: right that and you're right, you get like you get 129 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: a nice picture, like they show that they had some 130 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 2: footage on the on the uh uh the person who 131 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: did that act, and that's helpful to get uh you know, 132 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: something with the community. But I think at the same time, uh, 133 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: that can I think it leads to uh, like I 134 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 2: think they enabled like uh. I think like identity stuff 135 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: is a big part of it. And I think when 136 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: like nine to eleven and when the terrorists were in 137 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 2: the like Logan Airport or in or in Newark, I 138 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 2: think they were using the camera on purpose. And I think. 139 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 3: Reason Daniel Daniel who was using the camera, I'm not sure. 140 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 2: The terrorists because they're they're using their face and then 141 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: the camera has a little timing on it, like it 142 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: shows the time and the date. And I noticed that 143 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: some pictures when they did that, they were being deliberate 144 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: at the at that point in time. 145 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: They were apt I'm not quite. 146 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: Okay, but you know it's like it's like like there 147 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 2: being strategic, you know, the being deliberate and strategic. 148 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 3: All right, well that's that's that's an in point of view. 149 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 3: Let's do this. I got to take a commercial break. 150 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 3: Let's see if people want to respond to what you suggested. Okay, 151 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 3: all right, thank you very much for you call Merry Christmas. 152 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 3: If we don't talk, okay. 153 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 2: All right, sir, good Merry Christmas. 154 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 3: Same to you. We'll take a quick break here on 155 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 3: Night's side. Not exactly sure where Daniel is going with that. 156 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 3: I'm of my position is the more cameras, the merrier, 157 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 3: because they will lead to less crime. I just believe 158 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: that if you go into most stores, there's a camera. Uh, 159 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 3: and if you're thinking about a five finger discount, you 160 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 3: probably are discouraged from executing a five finger discount because 161 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 3: there's a camera and maybe a picture will be taken. Uh. 162 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 3: I know that there are people who are more concerned 163 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 3: about their privacy, and I don't know if you're in 164 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 3: a public place what your concern is. Maybe some of 165 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 3: you will share coming back on Nightside six one. The 166 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 3: only line open right now is six one seven nine 167 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 3: six one seven nine thirty. Only one line will be 168 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 3: back on Nightside right after this and most of the 169 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 3: calls so far been men. Ladies feel free to join 170 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 3: the conversation. 171 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray, Boston's news Radio. 172 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 3: Okay, let's keep it going here. Gonna go next to 173 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 3: Tom in Rochester, Massachusetts. Tom, your thoughts about more public 174 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 3: cameras to to, I think fight crime, make make make 175 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 3: people were of the cameras, and and maybe they'll'll behave 176 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 3: better in public. 177 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: Only only the clever, only the people that actually contemplate 178 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: their actions. 179 00:11:59,120 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 3: You know. 180 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: It's if I look back at it, jam, when I 181 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: was a kid, I had, you know, me at least 182 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: a certain certain certain certainly a lot of mischievousness in 183 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: my heart. And uh, you know, we were four teenagers. 184 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: We did a lot of stupid things, but we didn't 185 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: do smashing grabs. Right, So now you have smashing grabs 186 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: with all this technology, and we got tapes of these 187 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: people doing it, and they don't get prosecuted, or if 188 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: they do get if they if they bother to identify 189 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: them and get them into court, they gotta let go 190 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: to do it again. No cash In terms of these 191 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: bigger crimes. Uh, it certainly helps us solve crimes. I 192 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: don't think it prevents people from committing these crimes. I 193 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: just one quick thought. I was thinking of the last 194 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: call about the people using them at nine to eleven, 195 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: you know, twenty five, twenty four years ago, right, Uh, 196 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: somehow taking advantage our suicide bombers don't care about cameras. 197 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: By the way, I. 198 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: Wasn't sure where I wasn't really honest, I wasn't sure 199 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 3: where Daniel was going with that. But maybe someone will 200 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 3: will explain it. So even even I can understand that 201 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 3: the idea was that we had pictures of who these 202 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 3: people were, because they were cameras. They were. Now again, 203 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: it would have been great if we had if we 204 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 3: knew who they were in advance, But we didn't know 205 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 3: who they were in advance, and. 206 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: Therefore we didn't have a watch list. Yeah they were not, yeah. 207 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 3: Precise, But let's assume. Let's assume we did have a list. Again, 208 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 3: We've bring it back. 209 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 1: Can I bring it back home, Dan, and I'll let 210 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: somebody else on ahead. Can you imagine it was about 211 00:13:54,960 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: thirty years ago when Whitey went on the run. Now 212 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: in today's day and age, you're the number one suspect 213 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: on the FBI's list most wanted. You're not going to 214 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: survive in this world on that list, not the way 215 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: Whitey lived. Yeah, my technology has changed for high high 216 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: profile things, that technology has definitely helped. For the rest 217 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: of us, it's it is kind of a invasion of 218 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: our privacy. But hey, I don't know, I've got nothing 219 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: to worry about. 220 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 3: To you, well, the point is that you balance. I mean, 221 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: first of all, if if someone is going to do 222 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 3: something stupid, let's assume that that, Uh, you're my neighbor 223 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 3: and I don't like you because you park in front 224 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 3: of my house as opposed to parking across whatever. Uh, 225 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 3: And if I know there's a camera there, I might 226 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: not go out and deflate your tires, Joe, I might 227 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 3: not knew something really stupid, which is more of an 228 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 3: inconvenience view. I want to come back to you. 229 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: You're a conscientious but you're a conscientious well if I'm. 230 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 3: If I'm not conscientious. And then you come out the 231 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 3: next morning and you suspect that it was the bad 232 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 3: neighbor who deflated your tires, oh, smashed your side window. 233 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 3: You then can go to the town and say, hey, 234 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 3: there was a camera where my car was parked, and 235 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 3: I think so. 236 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: And then the Soros prosecutor will let you out on't 237 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: know cash. 238 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 3: Well, that's a whole set of different stories. But I 239 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 3: want to tell you one story about what he bowed 240 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 3: you that you probably don't know. 241 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: They will perhaps not well. 242 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 3: Maybe you're maybe you're smarter than me after all. But 243 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 3: I know a little bit about the Bulger investigation, and 244 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 3: if you don't want to hear the story, I can 245 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 3: just I'll save it for another night. Why don't we 246 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 3: do that? 247 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that's even better, Dan, Let's keep it, keep 248 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: the ts out. I didn't mean to offend you. I 249 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: just I'm unfamiliar with that stuff too. I didn't mean 250 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: to challenge your knowledge of the subject. 251 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 3: I can tell you that there was a period of 252 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 3: time long before Whitey Bulger was caught, that the authorities 253 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 3: believed he was living in the Tampa Bay area in Florida. 254 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 4: UH. 255 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: And they had at that time facial recognition was was new, 256 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: but it was a pretty effective uh. And they had 257 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 3: they did facial recognition on every person who wins at 258 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, and they actually believed that there was 259 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: a possibility that they were going to spot Whitey Bulger 260 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 3: inside that Super Bowl. He never attended that Super Bowl. 261 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: Okay, no, kidd, I never heard that story. That's that's great, 262 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: But well he didn't. Now what year was that, do 263 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: you remember? 264 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 3: It would have been early two thousands, long before he 265 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 3: was captured. He went on the LAMB in ninety five. 266 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: And yeah, I always was down in grand Isle. I 267 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: was working in grand Isle, Louisiana, and to to to 268 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: ninety nine, two thousand and my dispatcher, my dispatcher had 269 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: spotted him before the the most wanted a TV show 270 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: and he's like, oh my god. He found out I 271 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: was from Boston, and he was telling me the story 272 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: about he came across him on the beach with his 273 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: girlfriend and it was just an interesting thing. But the 274 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: technology today, you know. Finally, Dan was that that Whitey 275 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to get away with it today. He 276 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: did thirty years ago, twenty five years ago. 277 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, there was always the possibility. I felt that Whitey 278 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 3: sometime would make the mistake once his picture had been publicized, 279 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 3: that he would stop being at the gas station somewhere 280 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 3: in like kiah Cook, Iowa, and there would be a 281 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 3: kid from Seuthi who would be working there, and the 282 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 3: kid would look at him and be smart enough to 283 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 3: grab his license plate and pick up the reward. That 284 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 3: would be one of those just you know, coincidences. Anyway, 285 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 3: Tom enjoyed the conversation most of it. Six seven, two, five, 286 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 3: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. 287 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 3: Uh that is a true story. There was a thought 288 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 3: at the time that I didn't know about it ahead 289 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 3: of time, but I did find out, uh as as 290 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 3: I worked on the White Pulcher story that they thought 291 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 3: that if he was in the area, he would have 292 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 3: he would have taken advantage of the Super Bowl did 293 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 3: involve the Patriots. That was not the That was not 294 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 3: the connection. I got two lines open at six one, seven, two, five, 295 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 3: four to ten thirty. I'm not offended by the presence 296 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 3: of cameras. I think it would help if we had 297 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 3: more cameras. Now. I know that a lot of friends 298 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 3: of mine might not feel the same way. But that's 299 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 3: what the country, That's what the show is all about, 300 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 3: and that's what the country's all about. Reasonable people can 301 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 3: disagree resentably, coming right back right after the news at 302 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 3: the bottom of the hour. 303 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 304 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: There have now been more pictures released of the shooter. 305 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 3: He's just a pretty just a not what you would 306 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 3: expect forty eight year old guy who you know, didn't 307 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 3: look dangerous. But obviously he harbored a great deal of 308 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 3: hate for Brown University. I'm not a psychologist, but I 309 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 3: think it's fair to say he harbored a lot of 310 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 3: hate for Brown University and for the professor who was 311 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 3: so successful in his career at MIT that he decided 312 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 3: to kill his life, to kill him the father of 313 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 3: I think it was three children. Who's up next? Let 314 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 3: me go to Ron Ron, Welcome back. How are you? Ron? 315 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: Hi? 316 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 4: Dan, thank you for having this topic. 317 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 3: I think it's important. I really do. I mean, I 318 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 3: don't see I don't see the downside. I really don't. 319 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 3: I know that the city councilor who we talked with 320 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 3: briefly sadly that we then had to break away from her, 321 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 3: and I'll get back to her. We may do something 322 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 3: of more and more substance with her, but you know, 323 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 3: there's I think I think cameras will prevent. 324 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 4: CROs Absolutely, Dan, I am very in favor, and I 325 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 4: can tell you from two personal experiences. Twenty seventeen, when 326 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 4: my house in Newton was burglarized. Thankfully. I had stayed 327 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 4: in the driveway for a little longer, listening to the 328 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 4: end of a radio program, and I walked in my house. 329 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 4: It was March of twenty seventeen, and I could feel 330 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 4: the breeze from the cool breeze at that time of 331 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 4: the year coming from just heading towards me as I 332 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 4: as entered my. 333 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 3: Home, and I guess probably, Oh. 334 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 4: My god, So they got into the back and they 335 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 4: had they took Oh god, it was so personal to me, 336 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 4: a violin that I had since I was five. My 337 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 4: parents had given it to me. 338 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 3: They got. 339 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 4: You believe it or not. I had my disaster backpack 340 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 4: all set in my living room ready to to go 341 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 4: as I was on call. They got that, they got 342 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 4: other things they had. They had taken one of my 343 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 4: nice dining chairs. The window was open, the dining chair 344 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 4: was on the on the deck. And I'm told, you know, 345 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 4: the one of our Newton police were fantastic. I mean 346 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 4: they were. They are so skilled at knowing how to 347 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 4: time the different cars that had come up. And so 348 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 4: that was one occasion. The second occasion was just this 349 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 4: past year, as I was going to mg H West 350 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 4: for an appointment there was somebody on Route ninety five 351 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 4: that was really on my tail. I mean, he had 352 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 4: his had his head lights up. He must have been God. 353 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 4: If I would have hit the brakes, he would have 354 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 4: and he was upset that I wasn't pulling aside. So 355 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 4: he followed me right into the MGAH Waltham in the 356 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 4: front of it before I took a left and went 357 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 4: into the parking garage. I immediately went to the security 358 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 4: guard there and he had he was able to within 359 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 4: about fifteen minutes bring up the video and he could 360 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 4: see the truck right on my tail as I was 361 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 4: entering into the parking garage. Now he did, he couldn't 362 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 4: get enough clarity to see the driver, but we got 363 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 4: the vehicle. 364 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 3: Well good, now did in the first instance, when your 365 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 3: home was broken into, was anyone ever charge? Did you 366 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 3: ever get any of your the materials that were stolen back? 367 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 4: No? No, I mean the you know, the the detective 368 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 4: Newton detective that worked on it for about a year. Anyway, 369 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 4: I guess they have the system where they get supposedly 370 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 4: all the reports with pawnshops and and that sort of thing. Yeah, 371 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 4: I kept checking in with him, and no, it was 372 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 4: never so what. 373 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 3: What happened with the driver? Did did he stay in 374 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 3: the garage or did he just pull out of the garage? 375 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 4: He took off. But but they got him on camera. 376 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 3: Okay, did they they have any did? I mean, they 377 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 3: should have turned that information over to the Registry of 378 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 3: Motor Vehicles. 379 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, they couldn't get his plate. I mean he was 380 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 4: up on my. 381 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 3: Ben there been there, trust me. Okay, I know exactly 382 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 3: what you mean. But that's an example people again. Now 383 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 3: people have cameras on their cars, and so you've got 384 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 3: to be a little bit better. I think it's an 385 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 3: incentive to behave better and I think that is what 386 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 3: is important. I really do. 387 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 4: I think we have to today. It's like when I when 388 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,719 Speaker 4: you go out on the pike now as I grow 389 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 4: up to work today to state police are sitting right 390 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 4: there in two uh two spots and and people behave 391 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 4: as they're getting onto that uh yeah spot. 392 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. And as a matter of fact, also with with 393 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 3: some of these uh these GPS ways and Google Maps, 394 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 3: they will tell you police ahead, and that's okay. It 395 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 3: seems to me that that causes people to slow down 396 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: a little bit and maybe it saves some accidents. 397 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 4: So absolutely. 398 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 3: I just don't understand the people who are fearful. Look, 399 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 3: if I'm out on the street and I'm doing drug deals, 400 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 3: I probably don't want cameras around. But other than that, 401 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 3: I mean, why would you not. I mean unless you're 402 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 3: gonna go out on the street and do something really 403 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 3: weird and it's and it's gonna be captured on the camera. 404 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 3: I just think that there there are good friends of 405 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 3: mine who I know would be opposed to that, but 406 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 3: because again they feel it's a it's a it's a 407 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 3: state intrusion on your privacy. I think once you start 408 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 3: to walk around on public streets, you're giving up some privacy. 409 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 3: It's like you're when when when when you put out 410 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 3: your trash? You lose the sense of privacy. If if 411 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 3: the government is investigating you for something, let's say, for 412 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 3: you know, for some sort of I R S problem, uh, 413 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 3: and and you make the mistake of putting out your 414 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 3: files in your trash and they come by and grab 415 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 3: the trash, that's fair game. I mean, you give up 416 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 3: your experts. You don't have an expectation of privacy in 417 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 3: my in my opinion, Hey, Ron, I hate to do this. Year. 418 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 3: I got to run. Great call. Thank you so much 419 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 3: for joining us. 420 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 4: Appreciate it. 421 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 3: All right, let's keep rolling here, we're gonna you know, 422 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 3: you know what, Rob, the callers have got short change here, 423 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 3: So let me grab real quickly, Rich and Lynn and 424 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: we'll do the We'll do the ads after Rich. Rich, 425 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 3: I don't want you to have to wait any longer. 426 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 2: Go right ahead, Rich, Damn. Thank you, so I have 427 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: the uh. 428 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 5: This is a coming from the perspective of from law 429 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 5: enforcement now, twenty two years in law enforcement. We need 430 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 5: more cameras. I appreciate that, you know, I think we 431 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 5: need more. I've been a detective for I can't even 432 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 5: tell you how many now, and I can't tell you 433 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 5: how instrumental solving crimes have been using video. And you 434 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 5: know there's always pushed back, you know, you know when 435 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 5: we first got city video, you know, you know, d 436 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 5: A defense attorneys were requesting video all the time, right 437 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 5: and then when it stops showing, it starts showing that 438 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 5: their clients are the ones that are in the wrong 439 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 5: and that the police and the police aren't the ones 440 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 5: that are doing the wrong thing. Right to request stop. 441 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 5: And then we started with the body cameras and influx 442 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 5: of requests for body camera footage and when it starts 443 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 5: making their clients look bad, we no longer have body 444 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 5: camera requests, right, They're at a minimum. I've personally worked numerous, 445 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 5: you know, homicides where we've tracked video for miles and 446 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 5: miles and miles to you know, catch a suspect, you know, 447 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 5: and locate evidence. So, you know, I think we need 448 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 5: more cameras in I just want to put this point 449 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 5: out there that you know, from the expectation of privacy thing, 450 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 5: the first thing that happens when an officer arrives on 451 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 5: scene is everybody pulls out their cameras because they want 452 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 5: to try to catch someone in my off westment. 453 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 3: Doing absolutely and particularly you know what I'm saying. Oh, 454 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 3: but deal was going in now with the ice officers 455 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 3: right the rest and there are people they are literally 456 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 3: in their face, And I think that there should be 457 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 3: some zone where the police officers should not be interfered with, 458 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 3: and I've advocated for that. I think they have will 459 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 3: be there in Florida, there is. 460 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 5: And it exists here as well, and it's called interfering 461 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 5: with a police investigation. But obviously, like the last caller said, 462 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 5: you know the last called the previous caller. Nine times 463 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 5: out of ten, those don't get prosecuted because you know 464 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 5: it's a touchy subject. 465 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 3: Well it is. It should not be a touchy subject 466 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 3: when it is. We appoint, we elect officials who appoint judges. 467 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 3: And then there were good judges. I have a lot 468 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 3: of friends of mine who are great judges. But I'm 469 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 3: talking about particularly judges in Soros and even district attorneys 470 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 3: that Soro saysn't liked it and they don't want it. 471 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 3: We had Rachel Rawlins want it. You want to shoplift 472 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 3: one thousand dollars, no problem, free pass, it's you get 473 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 3: out of, get out of you get out of jail card. 474 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 3: It's a get out of even going to court card. 475 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 3: If it's under a thousand dollars. You're putting the small 476 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 3: business owners and and the people own small variety so 477 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 3: as that serve communities. Look, I said from the get go, 478 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 3: body cameras on police officers will help police officers, and 479 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 3: I think. 480 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 5: That and they have and you know, I have no 481 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 5: I have no reservations about wearing a body camera at all. 482 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 5: You know, obviously there's other things that play into that, 483 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 5: but you know, they help us more than they hurt, 484 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 5: as well as the city cameras. You know, but you 485 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 5: know to your point about you know, deterring crime. What 486 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 5: I think needs to happen is when crimes are solved 487 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 5: using audio or video or surveillance, it needs to be publicized. 488 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 5: It needs to be put out there because we don't 489 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 5: we don't publish, we don't like to promote our create 490 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 5: trade craft. But I think that needs to be put 491 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 5: out there, that this is how the subject is found. 492 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 3: I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you, 493 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 3: Rich I got you on you. I want you to 494 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 3: call the show more often because your perspective. I really 495 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 3: do absolutely thank you, my man. Talk to you soon. 496 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 5: Okay, thank you, have a great night. 497 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 3: Good night. Six one seven, six one seven, nine thirty. 498 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 3: Were coming right back on Nightside. 499 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's 500 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: news radio. 501 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 3: Let me go to Linda M. 502 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 6: What do you want to say going on I totally 503 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 6: one hundred percent agree with you. I think there should 504 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 6: be more cameras and I'm shocked if there wasn't. And 505 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 6: also what's what's upsetting to me is where were the 506 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 6: campus police. I don't understand why why there was why 507 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 6: there wasn't somebody there at the door, well at the entrance. 508 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 3: Well, here's the deal. Here's the deal. Uh. Campus police forces, 509 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 3: whether it's at Brown or Boston College or whatever. Uh, 510 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 3: these campuses, even though Brown has a fairly small campus, 511 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 3: on a Saturday afternoon, particularly at this time of year, 512 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 3: they probably have a lot of police officers who are, 513 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 3: you know, on vacation, which they have a right to have. 514 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 3: They don't expect something like that. If it had happened 515 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 3: during let's say, a day, a weekday, they probably have 516 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 3: more officers on duty. But he did his his his 517 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 3: his horrible actions, and he left and the damage was done, 518 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 3: and the at that point, you know, college police, university 519 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 3: police are not nearly equipped adequately to be able, you know, 520 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 3: if they don't have like, you know, cars that can 521 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 3: come in many directions. I don't know how many. It 522 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 3: would be a really interesting question to find out how 523 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 3: many police officers Brown police officers were on campus. I'll 524 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 3: bet you it was half a dozen or eight or 525 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 3: something like that on a on a Saturday afternoon. 526 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah it was. But there were students in there, 527 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 6: and and and they were they were doing tests. I mean, 528 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 6: you know, I I would like to know if if 529 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 6: I was a parent, I would like to know that 530 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 6: at least there was some security there for them. 531 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 3: Uh. I got to be honest. I got to be 532 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 3: honest with you. Okay. I went to law school a 533 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 3: long time ago. Uh, and I very rarely and I 534 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 3: was at the campus of Boston University Law School, and 535 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 3: we were right near the undergraduates. I very rarely saw 536 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 3: a security officer back in the day. 537 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 6: Really wow, really. 538 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 2: Well. 539 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 3: Again. The other thing, too, is I think that the 540 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 3: universities rely upon their proximity to the major police departments. 541 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 3: And whether it's Boston University in Boston or Brown in Providence, 542 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 3: Rhode Island, if if you're probably in some rural area, 543 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 3: let us say like a Middlebury up in Vermont, you 544 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 3: might have to have a bigger police force of your own. Linda, 545 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 3: I love your calls, but I'm gonna have to run 546 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 3: here because I want to give Matthew that word. Okay, 547 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 3: thanks for calling, appreciate you, Thank you very much. Okay, Matthew, 548 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 3: we got you on. Hopefully you're okay this time. Matthew 549 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 3: from Saugus. 550 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:20,959 Speaker 1: Hey. 551 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 7: Look, you remember that I'm from Sagas. Yeah, I'm here. 552 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 7: You know what was happening? 553 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 3: I really don't know. I want to know, but go 554 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 3: ahead tell me. 555 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 7: Last night when I or not last night. It was 556 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 7: the other night when Trump did his little speech there. 557 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 7: You had such good notes. So when you came back 558 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 7: from the think you had this note after note after notes, 559 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 7: so you were writing stuff down so before uh, and 560 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 7: I just called you off the cuff. I just pulled 561 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 7: over and called you. I wanted to have a little 562 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 7: bit better notes. So I was literally making my notes 563 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 7: and then you called on me. Well, go ahead, will 564 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 7: never happen again, mister. 565 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 3: No problem. Look we only have about a minute left, 566 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 3: so give me your best shot. Let's hear it, go 567 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 3: right ahead. 568 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 7: All right here. It is this whole Mit Brown thing. 569 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: It's a lot weirder. 570 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 7: Than I think everyone thinks it is. I know for 571 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 7: a fact, I had people on some of my chat 572 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 7: groups on like reddits talking about how they could have 573 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 7: been connected, and people were saying, don't talk about that. 574 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 7: There's no such thing. And now every news source is 575 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 7: thing that those two things are connected. 576 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, well this guy was just. 577 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 2: Just what this guy was into. 578 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 3: Look at all that, Well, I don't know what else 579 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 3: he's into just but what I want to do is 580 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 3: just on what we know. We know that he went 581 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 3: to the same university, undergraduate university is this guy at 582 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 3: about the same time in Portugal, and twenty five years 583 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 3: later he comes and kills him at his home professor 584 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 3: and mit professor. And this guy also tried to get 585 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 3: tried to get a doctor gree from Brown in physics, 586 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 3: and he flamed out. So he held grudge against against 587 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 3: Brown University and against his colleague, his college colleague. Hey, Matthew, 588 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 3: we got to pick up this conversation later date because 589 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 3: I got twenty seconds left until I got to get 590 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 3: off the air. Okay, we will. 591 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 7: It almost sounds like it was written by Hollywood. 592 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, sadly, sadly, that might be the most coaching comment 593 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 3: of the night, and may well be. Matthew, thank you much. 594 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 3: We'll talk soon. Okay, thank you very much. We had 595 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 3: done for the night. Back tomorrow night. Everybody want to 596 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 3: thank Rob tough night, but he did a great job alone, 597 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 3: didn't have a lot of help, but I thank him 598 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 3: for his work. Tonight I will be on Facebook nice 599 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 3: with Dan Ray shortly. I'll end quickly. All dogs, all cats, 600 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 3: all pets go to heaven. That's my pal Charlie ray Is, 601 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 3: who passed fifteen years ago in February. That's all your 602 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,399 Speaker 3: pets are who have passed. They loved you, You love them. 603 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 3: I do believe you'll see them again. Stay dry Tomorrow Friday. 604 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 3: We'll see tomorrow night on Friday at eight o five 605 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 3: and I'll see in a couple of minutes. On Facebook