1 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Just a ton going on with the Steelers, joining me 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: not to discuss it. 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: He covers the team. 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: For the athletic Keys, Mike de Fabo, Mike, what do 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: you make of Scott Tolzen turning down the OC job 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks coach at New Orleans. That struck me as 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: a bit odd, but I think I get it. 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a little bit surprised by that, just 9 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 3: because Tolsine had a relationship with McCarthy, both as a 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 3: player when he was a quarterback with him in Green 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 3: Bay and then also in Dallas. My thinking, in my 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 3: read on this situation is why would you, if you're 13 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 3: a young, bright, offensive mind, pick a job as an 14 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 3: offensive coordinator where you're just the coordinator in title, You're 15 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 3: not the one calling the plays, And if you're ambitious 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 3: and you believe in yourself, as I think Tolsine is, 17 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: I would wait for an opportunity where you get the 18 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 3: opportunity to call the plays, prove yourself, and become a 19 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 3: head coach one day. That's the least my read on it. 20 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 3: You know, maybe there are other factors to play here, 21 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 3: but that's the way that I see it from a distance. 22 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: I think you're correct Mike, and let me just grow 23 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: in one other thing. McCarthy calls the plays, but Rogers 24 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: calls the shots. He won't be justin McCarthy, but to 25 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: the quarterback too. 26 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I mean Arthur Smith worked well with Aaron Rodgers. 27 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers had a really horrible year with the Jets 28 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, significantly better bounced back year last year, 29 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 3: and no one thought a damn of what Arthur Smith 30 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 3: did so much to the fact that he couldn't get 31 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 3: a job in the NFL, and now he has to 32 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: go to Ohio State. So you could prove yourself on 33 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 3: a much better level if you're coaching Tyler Show as 34 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 3: the quarterbacks coach of the Saints, by your time, get 35 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: an opportunity to actually call the plays within the next 36 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: year or two for some other team. I think that 37 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 3: it's the long term route, but it makes sense not 38 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: to mention. I wonder if he's even getting any kind 39 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 3: of a raise if he were going to take the 40 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 3: job from quarterbacks coach with the Saints offensive coordinated with 41 00:01:58,760 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 3: the Steelers. 42 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: I do like the Patrick Rahm hire Mike at defensive coordinator, 43 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: but how much can he change that defense? And how 44 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: specifically really change it. For example, TJ want just wants 45 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: to play like he wants to play. What's Patrick Graham 46 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: going to tell him? 47 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 3: Well, one thing that intrigues me about Patrick Graham is 48 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 3: that he talks about how there's no such thing as 49 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: a Patrick Graham playbook. And one big thing he did 50 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 3: was he is a three to four defensive coordinator who 51 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 3: ran a four to three because it's fitting Max Crosby, 52 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,839 Speaker 3: his best player, And so I'm curious to see how 53 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 3: he evolves or changes the defense to work around some 54 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 3: of his best players here with the Steelers and really 55 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 3: overall zooming out more big picture with Patrick Graham. There's 56 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: really two ways to look at this. You look at 57 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 3: the stats and you can easily say, while this guy 58 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 3: was the middle of the road type of defensive coordinator. 59 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 3: But then there's the other way to look at it, 60 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 3: which is his reputation throughout the league. And he has 61 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 3: a very strong reputation because the Raiders were near the 62 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 3: bottom of the lead league and defensive spending. They have 63 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 3: not spent any real legitimate draft capital on the defensive 64 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: side of the ball, and Patrick Graham came up through 65 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 3: the ranks with Bill Belichick with Flores, you know, with 66 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: Steve Spagnolo with his exotic pressure packages. So I think 67 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 3: that you're going to see a lot of different things 68 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 3: within this defense, and ultimately he inherits the blessing of 69 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 3: the burden of coordinating one of the highest paid defenses. 70 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 3: And in a world where expectations are tied to confrontation, 71 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 3: you know, people are gonna expect the best. As you 72 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 3: would say, Mark, when you pay the most, you should 73 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 3: get the best, and that's going to be the standard 74 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: for Patrick Graham. 75 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: Am I correct in saying there's no way possible, barring 76 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: gratuitous injury piling up, no way that Will Howard starts 77 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: at quarterback and McCarthy and Art are just paying lip 78 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: service to the citizens when they praise him. 79 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 3: That's my read on it, really, it truly is. It 80 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: sure seems to me like the most likely, almost inevitable 81 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 3: conclusion is going to be Aaron Rodgers leading the Steelers 82 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: out of the tunnel in Week one, and you're not 83 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 3: going to bench that guy for anything. And that's the 84 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 3: way that I look at it. It seems to me 85 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 3: like if Will Howard is going to get on the 86 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 3: field this year, it's going to be due to injury. 87 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 3: But if I floated to you in the past, Mark, 88 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 3: I would be a big fan of team will Howard 89 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 3: getting an opportunity this year, not because I believe in him, 90 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 3: but because I think that it would result in a 91 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 3: four or five win season that would position the Steelers 92 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 3: to draft the twenty twenty seven quarterback. They would get 93 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 3: them out of this current cycle that they're in of 94 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: putting veteran band aids on the most important position in football. 95 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 3: So you know, I'm a fan. 96 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 2: That's not how Art and McCarthy are thinking. 97 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 3: I don't think so at all. I don't think that 98 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 3: they would have the appetite for that whatsoever. I mean, 99 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 3: the Steelers really went above and beyond and out of 100 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 3: their way to tell everybody that this had nothing to 101 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 3: do with Aaron Rodgers. They told me that, they told 102 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 3: Diana Rassini that, they told Jerry dula like that, they 103 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 3: told Adam Schefter that, and then at the press conference 104 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: they say, we definitely want Aaron Rodgers back. So I 105 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 3: think they were very concerned with the optics of an 106 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 3: appearing that they had hired McCarthy for Rogers. But at 107 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: the same time, it certainly increases the likelihood significantly that 108 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 3: there's going to be a reunion in Pittsburgh. 109 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: We're talking to Mike de Fabo of the Athletic here 110 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: on the Mark Madden Show, staying with Will Howard because 111 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: I think I'm I'm morally obligated to talk about him 112 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: way too much? Am I correct in saying it's most 113 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,239 Speaker 1: likely that Howard will be the number three quarterback again 114 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: behind Rogers and Mason Rudolph. 115 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: Honestly, Mark, if you were going to project, yeah, that's 116 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 3: probably where I think that he probably sits within the 117 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,559 Speaker 3: depth chart, and then his first obstacle is jumping ahead 118 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: of Mason Rudolph. But I mean, let's just put this 119 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 3: in perspective as well. Will Howard broke his finger during 120 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 3: training camp, okay, and the Steelers chose to put him 121 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 3: on injured reserve, where you can kind of fudge things 122 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 3: a bit, And I mean, was he able to throw 123 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 3: a football? Was he able to come back? 124 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 4: Yes? 125 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: Much earlier than what they showed. There were weeks upon 126 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: weeks of the season where because of the rules, Will 127 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: Howard was not able to practice and he was standing 128 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: off by himself, basically like a kid in his backyard. 129 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: We pretending to play catch with nobody, and when he 130 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 3: was allowed to play catch with somebody, it was a 131 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 3: Filmathouse and the strength and conditioning coach. That was half 132 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 3: of his season. That was his development. That was Mike 133 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 3: thomas plan for developing the rookie was to put him 134 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 3: over on the third field, away from everybody else. So 135 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 3: it's not like he lit things up in practice and 136 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 3: proved everybody who could do something. He got mop up 137 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 3: thirteen reps with the scout team, and half the time 138 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 3: it was Mason Rutalf. Most of the time it was 139 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 3: Mason Rudolph running the scout team. So this guy has 140 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 3: a long way to go if he's going to climb 141 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 3: his way up the depth chart. 142 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: Am I correct in saying that if Rogers doesn't come back, 143 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: and we both agreed that he's almost certainly going to. 144 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: But if he. 145 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: Doesn't, the Steelers would recycle some other old guy. 146 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: Correct. 147 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that they would probably given the history. 148 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: I think that they might, you know, consider Malik Willis, 149 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: try to get him, maybe try to get Kirk Cousins. 150 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, do they believe in Anthony 151 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: Richardson to take a flyer and somebody like that. Probably not, 152 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 3: I don't think anybody really does, but I think that 153 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: probably would be the way they would go. Mark. 154 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, why is there this fascination with Howard? The citizens 155 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: are comparing him and Mendoza, For Heck's sake, they both 156 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: want to natty. 157 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: They have the same numbers. I've been told that a 158 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: dozen times. 159 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 3: Well, it's backup quarterback, syndrame. Mark. The less that people 160 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: see a quarterback play, the better that they think that 161 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 3: he is. I don't know where it came from, but 162 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 3: that's the truth. I mean, I don't want to totally 163 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 3: bashful Howard. I think that he's fine, and maybe in 164 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 3: another season he would have been drafted like fourth or 165 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: fifth round. The problem with him is he is very 166 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 3: very average to blow average arm strength. His movements, to 167 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 3: me are quite robotic, even though he's you know, more 168 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 3: mobile than Aaron Rodgers. And you're kind of leaning on 169 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 3: a lot of the Kenny Pickett type hype of intangibles 170 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 3: and he's a winner and stuff like that, and we 171 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 3: saw where that got them before. I mean, I think 172 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 3: he could he could totally prove me wrong. And honestly, Mark, 173 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: I hope I'm on your show. Eating Crow at some 174 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 3: point saying Will Howard is the next Tom Brady, and 175 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 3: I was so wrong, because it's going to get us 176 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: out of this current cycle of talking about every possible 177 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 3: quarterback and realizing, if we're being honest with ourselves, none 178 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: of them are the answers. So I hope Will Howard 179 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 3: is the second coming of Tom Brady. I hope that 180 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 3: he proved is even better than Tom Brady and somehow 181 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 3: further down later pick that becomes even better. I just 182 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 3: I just think that we have to be honest. I 183 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 3: think I think the ceiling for Will Howard truthfully is 184 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins. Where they drafted RG three. He was supposed 185 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 3: to be the guy Kirk Cousins developed. He by this 186 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 3: time a couple of years later, he's become a pretty 187 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 3: solid starting quarterback in the NFL. That's what I think 188 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 3: that the ceiling is for Will Howard. One day that. 189 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: Would actually be a heck of a ceiling. I'd be 190 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: surprised if he if he reaches that. 191 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 3: Uh. 192 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: Now, with Poles out of the picture, what's planned b 193 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: for offensive coordinator? 194 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 3: Well, you know you got to go to the old 195 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 3: pit well, and you know, Brian Angelico I guess seems 196 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: to be one of the leading contenders there. I wouldn't 197 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 3: be surprised if it ends up being him, just because 198 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 3: of pit connections and people love, you know, Steelers love 199 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 3: the notion of guys not having to change their four 200 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 3: one two area code on their cell phone. So, I mean, 201 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 3: I don't know a ton about him other than other 202 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: than the fact that he has that pick connection. And 203 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 3: you know, we'll have to see, but that seems like 204 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 3: seems like it could be trending that direction. 205 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: Is it a good coaching staff what they put together 206 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: right now? There's a lot of McCarthy crony's there, But 207 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: I what about the problem with that? Some do Mike, 208 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: I mean, who are you going to hire if it's 209 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: not people you know? 210 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 3: No, I agree with you, Mark, And that's actually I think. 211 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 3: I think I actually have the opposite take a most people. 212 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 3: When I see McCarthy hire people that he's familiar with, 213 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 3: you know, my take on that is, that's why you 214 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 3: hire a sixty two year old coach? Because if we 215 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 3: were talking here about Nathan Shieldhouse as a head coach 216 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 3: thirty five years old, he worked with Sean McVay for 217 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 3: one year, how many people does he know, like, does 218 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 3: he legitimately know enough people to fill out his staff. 219 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 3: I think on the flip side, you're seeing Mike McCarthy 220 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 3: go with people that he trusts, people that he believes in. 221 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 3: As we already talked about. I actually am a pretty 222 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 3: big fan of the Patrick Graham hire, and I think 223 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 3: that's going to be much better than people expect. You know, 224 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 3: my grandmother, my grandfather was a professor at IUP and 225 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 3: like the Signetti family, So I like bringing in Frank 226 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 3: Signetty Junior for that reason of that reason alone, and 227 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 3: I think that Tom Orts retaining him makes sense to 228 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 3: me among the guys that you're retaining, because every time 229 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 3: I've talked to him, he seemed like a very smart 230 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 3: guy who worked well with a variety of quarterbacks from 231 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 3: Russ to Justin Fields and then ultimately Rogers. So I 232 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 3: think for the most part, they are assembling a pretty 233 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 3: sound staff. 234 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: McCarthy likes to use three wideouts a lot. They better 235 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: get a lot of wide Dotts, and I think, regardless 236 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: of the needed quarterback, they got to get a wide 237 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: receiver in the first round and hope that he can 238 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: be a number one because DK Metcalfe ains. 239 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with you, Mark. I think that 240 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 3: fixing that wide receiver position is one of their chief 241 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: priorities this offseason, and maybe cornerback is another one. But 242 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 3: I really think that that was a tremendous fumble by 243 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: Omar Khan. You know, I remember sitting there where he 244 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 3: was saying where we were sitting to him, Look, people 245 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 3: were looking at it the same way as they did 246 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 3: last year. Last year you had George Pickens a big 247 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 3: gap and everybody else. It sure looks like you've got 248 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 3: DK metcalf a huge gap in everyone else. And he 249 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 3: went on the record and he said, no, it's completely different. 250 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 3: It's not even close to last year. And one of 251 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 3: the reasons why he said that was Robert Woods. We 252 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 3: went out and we got Robert Woods, was one of 253 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 3: his explanations for that. And that's what concerns me is 254 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 3: if he truly believed that Robert Woods, who if you 255 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 3: will remember, was cut before the end of training camp 256 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 3: and did not play in the NFL for any of 257 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 3: the thirty two teams last year, If Omar believed that 258 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 3: that Robert Woods at his age could be the answer 259 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 3: for them, that's what concerns me, But they have to 260 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 3: take a swing at that position. They can't. Thank God 261 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 3: that Arthur Smith is gone because Johnny Smith is not 262 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 3: a wide receiver. Two, he is redundant with Pat fryar 263 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 3: Moose in that offense. They need a legitimate receiver if 264 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: they're going to run a legitimate twenty twenty six offense. 265 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: Finally, Mike, the NFL hired zero black head coaches in 266 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: this cycle. What's that tell us? Tell me that the 267 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,239 Speaker 1: Rooney role has been reduced to mere Oki. 268 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 3: Dok insruanfully Mark, you have to wonder if even the 269 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Steelers followed the Rooney role in the way that 270 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 3: it was intended. They brought in two minority candidates and 271 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: then they hired an old white guy, and I mean, 272 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 3: it sure looked like they were just checking boxes. Not 273 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 3: to mention Jerry Dulac as reporting hires before these guys 274 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 3: even get into the building to interview, and you were 275 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 3: supposed to This is supposed to be the whole point 276 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 3: of the Rooney role is guys are able to impress 277 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,599 Speaker 3: you during the interview process. But if they're leaking to 278 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 3: Jerry Dulac, who is being hired before they've even done 279 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 3: their interview. What does that tell you about the way 280 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 3: the Steelers are following the Rooney role? 281 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: Mike has always great stuff, good work at the athletic. 282 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: We'll talk again soon. 283 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: All right, thanks a lot, I appreciate it. 284 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: That's Mike Defabo doing great work at the Athletic. Brought 285 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: toast by Armstrong the Internet. You can con on the 286 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: people you can trust Armstrong one Wired dot com. We've 287 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: got Ja Coft bottom of the hour and we have 288 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: some breaking news regarding that fan who. 289 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: Got smacked by DK and Detroit. 290 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: It's news that I think you're gonna like, come and 291 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: get some one oh five nine Wie Show, Mark Madden, 292 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: all the Penns Games DX at one O five nine 293 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: on the fifteens eight three three four one two WSDX. 294 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: Here's some big news. 295 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: The Lions fan involved in a week sixteen alter occasional 296 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf is suing Metcalf, the Steelers and others in 297 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: a one hundred million dollar defamation lawsuit. 298 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: Gee. 299 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: I never saw that coming. And for those of you 300 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: who think this guy's a crackpot, he is. For those 301 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: of you who think Metcalf didn't do nothing, you're wrong. 302 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: He smacked the guy. This guy's going to get paid, 303 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: and Metcalf could have prevented it by just not going 304 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: over there. Dude didn't even get thrown out of Lions games. 305 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: Didn't do nothing wrong, Metcalf said Dink and that team 306 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: under Tomlin had zero discipline, pick and showing up late. 307 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: Metcalf doing this dating all the way back to ab 308 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: Believe me, the Steelers are well rid of Tomlin. Absolutely 309 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: one hundred percent well rid of Tomlin. Even though we 310 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: don't know the entire story. 311 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 2: This just in too. 312 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: Cam Hayward appeared on Colin Cower today and said he 313 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: still wants to play to win a Super Bowl. 314 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 2: That won't happen cement his legacy. 315 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: I would think it's already cemented by now, and said 316 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,119 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to play for any team but Pittsburgh, 317 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: which I don't think will be a problem because the 318 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: Steelers will let him play as long as he wants, 319 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: whether that's a good idea or not, although he did 320 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: just make second team All Pro. 321 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: Let's go to Corey. Corey, you're on the Mark Madden Show. 322 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 3: Hey, good day? 323 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 2: That was I said, good. 324 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 3: Day, Hey Mark. Do you think that the Carlston and 325 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 3: Crosby are just laying don because they want to stay 326 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 3: healthy for the Olympics. 327 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: No anything else. 328 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Carlston played the worst game he's ever played in. 329 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: He was terrible last night, so was Sid anything else? 330 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: They didn't lay down. They had a bad game. 331 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I think Steeler is gonna win Super Bowl. 332 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: Oh you're the guy who always called him said, hey, 333 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: fat ass? 334 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 2: What about Tom? What are you gonna say about him? Now? 335 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 3: Hey? 336 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: Why'd he quit? You know, I have no idea. 337 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 3: I never said he as Yeah. 338 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: You do, ye do? Why do you quit? Why do 339 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 2: he quit? Why do he quit? How many playoff games 340 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: did he win in the last nine years? Your guy? Tom? 341 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: I don't recognize your voice, bitch, And now you're my bitch, bitch? 342 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: How many playoff games you win the last nine years? 343 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: What's he doing? 344 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 3: Now? 345 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 2: He gonna coach again? How come he quit? How come 346 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: he quit? How come he quit? How come he quit? 347 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 3: Hey, Mark, I don't saw people? 348 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 2: How tell me quit? How come he quit? Bitch? 349 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: I didn't, I didn't. How come you quit? 350 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: Bitch? Goodbye? How come he quit? Bitch? Let's go to Cam? 351 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 4: Uh? 352 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 2: What's this guy's name? Camel? Cambell? 353 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 5: You're on the air, double m Jeeuz you went pretty 354 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 5: hort with that guy. 355 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: Screw him. He calls all the time saying Mike Tom 356 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: was a great coach. How come he quit? 357 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 5: Well, let's let's talk about I mean, if you want 358 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 5: to talk about that. 359 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 3: According to your tweet, there is. 360 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:35,479 Speaker 5: No real journalism anymore. 361 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 3: Tell us about what happened. 362 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: Not my job. I don't cover the team. 363 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 3: But you're you're a reporter. 364 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 2: No I'm not, No, I'm not you. 365 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: The talk show host is a reporter. Get the freak 366 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: out of here. Anything else? Mm hmmm, let's go to Uh, 367 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: what's this guy's name, Rick Nick? Something like that. Rick, 368 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: you're on the air. Okay, Rick's not there. Great calls, guys, 369 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: that's why we have calls on the fifteens. And by 370 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: the way, everybody knows why Tom would quit. 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Former Stanley Cup CHAMPI with the Penguins. 400 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: You see him on Sports at Pittsburgh. Always great to 401 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: talk to. J Cawfield. 402 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 3: Jay. 403 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: Last night was was pretty much the Penguins worst sixty 404 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: minutes we've seen in quite some time. 405 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 2: What went wrong? 406 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Mark, I agree. 407 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 6: Uh, first of all, good to talk to you. I 408 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 6: would go with as far as depends, that was the 409 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 6: first game. If you look at that team otto night, 410 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 6: they're strong, they're skilled, they're hard on the four check. 411 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 6: They made it difficult. If I look at some of 412 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 6: the past games De Penn's had, the Arrangers, not a 413 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 6: good team, Vancouver, not a good team, Calgary not a 414 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 6: good team. Seattle. Really they're just so so they're hanging in. 415 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 6: This was a team that's underachieving, but when they put 416 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 6: their mind to it, they're really great through the I said, 417 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 6: on the fore check, and they make it difficult. And 418 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 6: they made it difficult for the Pens last night. They 419 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 6: forced them in the moves or uncharacteristic you know play 420 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 6: you know, you know, giveaways if you will, the first 421 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 6: time we've seen odd man breaks against in a while 422 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 6: at the at the level that we did, so, I 423 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 6: think it was a little mix of all that, you know, Mark, 424 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 6: I think the competition, how Ottawa played the game last night, 425 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 6: they took it to a different level and depends just 426 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 6: didn't respond. And even with that being said, they still 427 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 6: find a way to hang in. Their goaltending has been 428 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 6: really good and Sheila's was really good last night to 429 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 6: keep them and even give them a chance. 430 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned the goaltending Jay and I want to 431 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: stay with that. No knock on Tristan Jari, but the 432 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: difference with Skinner and shilloffs in that is like night 433 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: and day. There's so much more confidence in front of them, 434 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: and it didn't apply last night. 435 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 2: There's so much more confidence with elite. 436 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, I totally agree with that, Mark. I think that 437 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 6: look I even felt even going into the season, I 438 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 6: know they were trying to make moves and try to 439 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 6: do that. I wouldn't have even wanted to come into 440 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 6: the season with the same two goaltenders just because of 441 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 6: the look the eye tests when you walk into camp 442 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 6: and you see the same type of thing. They needed 443 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 6: to move on. They did, and it took that time 444 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 6: to get it in Edmonton making the move and Kyle 445 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 6: Dubis pulls up a great one there and not only 446 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 6: did they get the goaltending part of pool that comes 447 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 6: into it. I totally agree with you as well. Skinner 448 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 6: settled in she lobs is getting better and refound his 449 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 6: groove again. If you will, the combination, when you put 450 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 6: together what the Penguins are doing on the ice, they're 451 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 6: special teams. Four lines you know, d that are active 452 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 6: and you have goaltending with it. That's they vaulted to 453 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 6: the position that they're in. I mean truly one in 454 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 6: the Eastern Conference. You can look at the Eastern Conferency 455 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 6: what teams really If the Penguins are playing the way 456 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,479 Speaker 6: we've seen them play up until last night, uh, you know, 457 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 6: there's not many better than them. Tampa Bay can be 458 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 6: can be a separator Carolina. We see what they do 459 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 6: each and every night. After that, good luck. Everybody's underachieving 460 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 6: in the Eastern Conference. 461 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: Jay among Kyle Dupis's acquisition since last season, Boy, they've 462 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: all done well. Who's been the most surprising. Who's performing 463 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: at a level that you just did not see coming? 464 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 6: I'm you know you you really could go to a 465 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 6: number of them, right, Mark? 466 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 5: I agree. 467 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 6: I think Math has been outstanding and steadily been outstanding 468 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 6: and Brazil what he brought to the table with the 469 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 6: little jugging of lines. That's kind of slowed Breso down 470 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 6: a little bit. But I think I immediately. 471 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 3: Would look at Brazil. 472 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 6: Math has been an established NHL player a little bit more, 473 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 6: but he's having a great year. I'll I'm going to 474 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 6: just jump on this most recent one. I think the 475 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 6: Chinakov deal right now, and I remember watching him in 476 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 6: Columbus and I'm thinking, you're unloading. Here's the part that 477 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 6: I don't get mark on this Chinicov win. Remember back 478 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 6: in the day, you would never trade inside the division, 479 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 6: let alone the conference, let alone the division. 480 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 2: Well Patrick did it all the time, But I get 481 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 2: what you mean. 482 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: No, No, he didn't Philadelphia Philadelphia trade in club history arguably, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 483 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: And you can look at it each way, but for 484 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: the most. 485 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 6: Part, you try not to do that. And you're right, 486 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 6: Craig did pull off a number of things like that. 487 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 6: But if I'm looking at Columbus and you're making a 488 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 6: move on a coach that didn't like a player, so 489 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 6: you move him, and then but then what a week 490 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 6: or two they fired the coach, So you unload a 491 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 6: twenty four year old first round picked and he ends 492 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,959 Speaker 6: up in Pittsburgh with a Russian connection, and he's the 493 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 6: skill the skill set that he has is like what 494 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 6: a first rounder should be. So that's always surprising to 495 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 6: me that that would happen. But I think that move 496 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,479 Speaker 6: and I think what Chinaco brought has brought to this 497 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 6: lineup to be able to balance it out and keep malcoling. 498 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 6: He's happy on the wing. Novak in the middle has 499 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 6: brought the best out in him. So I'm gonna look 500 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 6: just at that one. I know it's the most recent, 501 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 6: but really and truly, Uh, Kyle Dubis has made so 502 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 6: many great little acquisitions that have added up to be 503 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 6: very big for this Penguins team. 504 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 2: I agree with you totally about Chinnikov. 505 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of guys are putting up stats, 506 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: but he's beyond stats. He's just attacking Nelson and just 507 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: the flair he has it can it can really back 508 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: a team up? Yeah, Jay, what about this Islanders game tonight? 509 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: How big is it? Their neck and neck in the 510 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: metro and this potentially is a first round playoff preview? 511 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's one You've got to I mean 512 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 6: it's running out quick, right, I mean we're going to 513 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 6: this Olympic breaking in and he got fifty days before 514 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 6: you start the playoffs. I think it's a big one 515 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 6: that I just get back on the right the right 516 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 6: frame of mind. You after that third period against the Rangers, 517 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 6: and you followed up with the game like last night, 518 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 6: I think I think the Penguins, I think you need 519 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 6: to establish again what your game is all about, and 520 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 6: it's holding on the pucks, making it very difficult, almost 521 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 6: like what Ottawa did to the Pens last night. Mark, 522 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 6: that's what the Penguins have been doing to other teams. 523 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 6: They want to get back to that, disrupting the opposition 524 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 6: in their own end. You know, all the way through 525 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 6: through the neutral zone, the Penguins become really difficult. There's 526 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 6: not a lot of room, and as I'll say, last night, 527 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 6: Ottawa had a lot of room the Penguins gate. It 528 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 6: was a different look tonight. You want to get back 529 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 6: to making it very difficult coming out of their end 530 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 6: and in the neutral zone, make them dump it in 531 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 6: and then come out. The Penguins do a great job 532 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 6: breaking out. Their d have been really good. So that's 533 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 6: if you get back on track and set the tone 534 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 6: and they put put doubt in the Islanders' minds because 535 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 6: before you know it, as you mentioned, there might be 536 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 6: a matchup coming down the line. You want to make 537 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 6: sure they know what the Penguins are all about, and 538 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 6: that's playing the hockey that we've watched through the whole 539 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 6: month of January right up until last night. 540 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: Jay. The Islanders really don't impress me on paper, and 541 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: I don't think they have a ton up front, but 542 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: they're they're relatively big up front with guys like they 543 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: got Soroken and goal and talk about this Shaefer kid. 544 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: I mean, you think our rookie's good with kind what 545 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: about their rookie and Shaeffer on defense? 546 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 6: No, he's he's as advertised right Mark, he's up the ice. 547 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 6: He's one of those guys that takes it up and 548 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 6: gets back, covers himself up. He's been outstanding. I've watched 549 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 6: a number of games and kind of a guy you 550 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 6: like to watch more. He's worth the price of admission 551 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 6: just as a young kid and what he brings to 552 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 6: the table and what he's meant to the Islanders. There's 553 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 6: your reason why. I mean, you're goaltending right against Soroken. 554 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 6: I mean, look at the numbers that he's putting up. 555 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 6: But for the most part, you get a young talent 556 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 6: like this Shaeffer, and all of a sudden it changes 557 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 6: and we all know what that's about. 558 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 3: Here. 559 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 6: You get a young talent and fund the blue line 560 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 6: who's on the offensive side of it, but can cover 561 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 6: up and get back in certain situations. 562 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 3: He's got to. 563 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 6: He's relentless. His motor never stops. I think the kid's 564 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 6: outstanding and certainly what is giving the Islanders some life 565 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 6: and and you know, looking at what they feel they 566 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 6: can do, he's the one. He's the big bright spot. 567 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 6: And it's somebody you cannot let him beat you. You got 568 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 6: you gotta make sure you eliminate him and don't let 569 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 6: him beat you up the ice. 570 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 3: But that's what he's he's. 571 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: Kind of born to do that. 572 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 6: He's gonna jump up, get inside you and get an 573 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 6: opportunity really worth watching. It's just for the night's game. 574 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 6: The Oounders are a different team because of him. 575 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: Rusty's back tonight at that suspension that gets the lines 576 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: back in order. I'm sorry to see McGroarty said, because 577 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: I thought he played well last night. But boy boy 578 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: Rush just brings so much to the table and I'll 579 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: be blunt, Jay, I don't think you should have been suspended, 580 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: let alone for three games. 581 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, and Mark I I went threw this on another show, 582 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 6: and I totally agree. I mean, first of all, it's 583 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 6: when you're not a repeat offender. You know all the 584 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 6: things that go into it, because I've heard all the meetings. 585 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 6: I've been in meetings like that. What they want to 586 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 6: tell you from player safety and the one look, the 587 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 6: one video, the play, the video, the tape from behind, 588 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 6: you know, the goal line looking out the up of 589 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 6: Russ because it catches him right in the chin, but 590 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 6: that was because he was driven in by Raquel as well. 591 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 6: But whatever, you catch a piece, you catch a piece 592 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 6: of the head. 593 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 5: Yeah. 594 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 6: I don't think it certainly needed to go that way 595 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 6: because what was followed up and we all know this. 596 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 6: Tom Wilson runs over Carolina Hurricane player and not even 597 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 6: a look. 598 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 3: Look. 599 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 6: I wish I wish a rep every time something happened 600 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 6: back when we were playing would say, oh, hey, I 601 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 6: know that's the size. You have a size advantage. You 602 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 6: didn't mean to hit him in the head, even though 603 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 6: that's what you went Your initial report of contact was 604 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 6: ahead right, Mark, I mean, my god, the excuses and 605 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 6: I love and I love Tom. How Tom Wilson plays 606 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 6: the game, I have no it is how he plays, 607 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 6: Like we say all the time, if he was on 608 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 6: our team, we'd love it, right, it'd be it'd be great. 609 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 3: But he's not. 610 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 6: And when you see plays like that they're trying to 611 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 6: have out of the game, especially that hit coming around 612 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 6: the net, that's one that they they want out. And 613 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 6: because it's you're so vulnerable U so I think, yeah, 614 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 6: Russ gets suspended, nothing happens here, No, here he while 615 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 6: you move forward. And I will add one more thing 616 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 6: to this, Mark, I still do believe a lot of 617 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 6: these hits. Sometimes you also have to look at the player, like, 618 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 6: if you know Tom Wilson's on the ice, am I 619 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 6: really gonna wheel behind the back of the net and 620 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 6: not have my head know where he's at? I mean, 621 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 6: so that doesn't disrupt it. It's not that's a hit 622 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 6: that somebody should have addressed it, but the player at 623 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 6: the same time, there's different mentalities all over the ice, 624 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 6: and if you know that guy's on the ice, he's 625 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 6: going to take a run at you. So the players 626 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 6: at the same time can't just be admiring a pass 627 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 6: after they get rid of it or whatever he was doing. 628 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 3: The player. 629 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 6: Still there's responsibility. You're in the best league in the world, 630 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 6: but it's a physical world and you got the players 631 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 6: have to watch out. But still that they suspended Rust, 632 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 6: took him out for three games, and you don't even 633 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 6: talk nothing with Tom Wilson. It just makes it all 634 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 6: a farce if you havesk me no. 635 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: I agree, Jay, And it's almost like Rush is being 636 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: penalized because he's a clean player, Like it seems dirty 637 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: when he does it when Wilson does and it's just 638 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: part of his game. And I don't know, good hard 639 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: hockey if you're George Paris, yeah. 640 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 6: Right, I mean it's look, you just can't. It was 641 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 6: that that Brian Russ had a hearing which give him 642 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 6: a couple of games automatically, that he had a hearing 643 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 6: about it. I found that to be really that's that's 644 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,959 Speaker 6: that Mark, if you wanted to get listen, Mark, if 645 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 6: you want to give him one because you because he 646 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 6: clipped the guy in the head, and I think brock 647 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 6: Besser is on the shelf for that if you want 648 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 6: to just do it. But to say you're having a hearing, 649 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 6: which means it's going to be automatic in so many games. 650 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 6: That to me was a little over the top. Truthfully, 651 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 6: I mean it it is and Brian Russ plays the 652 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 6: game hard, always has and again no previous, no history. 653 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,959 Speaker 6: It's it's uh that took it too much. That was 654 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 6: we all everybody. It makes the whole hockey world kind 655 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 6: of chuckle at what what player safety really is all about? 656 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: Jay. Finally, I think the Olympic break's coming at exactly 657 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: the right time. Certainly we want sid and Carlson and 658 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: shil Austin, those representing Riquel going over there to do well. 659 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: But Gino's obviously playing hurt, Latang gotta get over that 660 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: foot injury, and I think Kindles worn out. I think 661 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: this couldn't come at a better time for the Penguins. 662 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 6: You know, it's it's kind of funny, Mark, if you 663 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 6: had asked me that question, I would have had the 664 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 6: same things about Malcolm and Lettang and Saint. I'd need 665 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 6: the injuries and the time frame that they're going to 666 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 6: be out, and certainly Kindle at such a young age 667 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,239 Speaker 6: and playing big minutes and what it means. But at 668 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 6: the same time a couple of games ago. They were 669 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 6: on a great run, right, So you almost don't want 670 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 6: to go, hey, do I want to get into this 671 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 6: break right now? We're on a great run, and then 672 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 6: you watch the game last night and immediately your mind 673 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 6: can flip and go, yeah, it might be good time 674 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 6: for a break, right And especially as you mentioned Malcolm 675 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 6: with where he's at, he's whatever he's going through, Yeah, 676 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 6: the time to recover will be big. And that's what 677 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 6: it's always those kind of breaks. I'm not used to that. 678 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 6: I don't know if all the players love that much 679 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 6: time off. You know, City crossby win, but he's in 680 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 6: the Olympics, so it's different for him. That much time off. 681 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 6: That takes you so long to get into shape, and 682 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 6: it only takes a couple of days to get out 683 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 6: of shape. So they're on a great run and hope 684 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 6: can you can find it right away? 685 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 3: But I do. 686 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 6: Believe the names you mentioned that, the injuries that they're 687 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 6: going through, Yeah, they could use that little spot, that 688 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 6: little break right now. Because it's it's so much hockey 689 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 6: in so many and quick in days. It's tough on 690 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 6: the players and you watch guys are going down left 691 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 6: and right, and so that Cirelli go out the other night, 692 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 6: he's gonna miss the Olympics, and they put a guy 693 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 6: back in for Canada, and I think should have been anyway. 694 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 6: I don't know how you don't have that Bennett in 695 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 6: the lineup for what he'll bring to them, but he 696 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 6: gets himself back in Sirelli out. Too many injuries, too 697 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 6: many games. Mark, very difficult for the players. Jaybird, great stuff. 698 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 6: I appreciate you taking the time. Good work on TV, 699 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 6: and we'll talk again soon. All right, Mark, Great, talk 700 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 6: to you too. 701 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: That's Jay Caufield, sports Net Pittsburgh. Now it's time to 702 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: ask Mark anything eight three three four one two w xdx, 703 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: or use the double secret probation number at four one 704 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: two three three three wxdx. Or you can leave a 705 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: talk back via the microphone icon at the iHeartMedia app 706 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: one oh five nine X. 707 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 7: Tonight's de Pens hit the ice against the Islanders. Game 708 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 7: time is seven thirty. Our coverage starts at six thirty. 709 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 7: Listen to every game and the best Pens coverage on 710 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 7: your home in the Pittsburgh Penguins one O five nine 711 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 7: v X. 712 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: Eighty four Lumber is your one stop destination. 713 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: Par what they're gonna make us play a womcer game. 714 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 2: It's not fair. 715 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 4: It's not fair. 716 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 3: It's not fair. 717 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: The X at one oh five nine. I got a 718 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: really good list today at the top of the art. 719 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: But it's not the fan in Detroit with the blue hair. 720 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: The news broke. He's suing the Steelers and DK and 721 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: other people in a defamation lawsuit. 722 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 2: Totaling one hundred million dollars. 723 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: I hope o Jo Sinko and James Harrison get sucked 724 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: into this for what they said on their podcast, and 725 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: then dk'll probably say he never communicated with them, that 726 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: they lied about it all along. You know this guy 727 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: in Detroit, the blue haired guy, he's kind of a goof. 728 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: But what did we think was gonna happen? This is 729 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: one thousand percent on DK metcalf. The guy heckled him, 730 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: which happens to a lot of athletes in a lot 731 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: of stadiums, and DK went over there and took a 732 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 1: poke at him, and now he's gonna have to pay. 733 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 3: For it as well. 734 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: The Steelers probably you know how you avoid this. Don't 735 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: be stupid. I'm not talking about the fan, I'm talking 736 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: about DK. Time to ask Mark anything brought to us by 737 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: People's Natural Gas, that's People's hyphengas dot Com. Let's go 738 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: to Newman, Hello Newman, Hello Jerry. 739 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 4: Earlier in the show, you and Tommy Rady had discussed 740 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 4: how the goal interference challenge last night was more or 741 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 4: less worth a shot. But I gotta say I strongly disagree. 742 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 4: Don't you think the ref more or less warned the 743 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 4: Pens in advance that he blamed Carlson for the contact 744 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 4: by calling the penalty in the first place. 745 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,760 Speaker 2: Yes, but I think the way the Penguins were playing 746 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 2: was worth a shot. 747 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: I think it was about, you know, three quarters that 748 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 1: he was going to lose the challenge, but I think 749 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: the odds were worse than that, that they were going 750 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: to score to tie. 751 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 4: Well, I mean you also got to consider that when 752 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 4: you're wrong in that challenge, you're losing two minutes to no, no. 753 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: But I don't think they were going to do anything 754 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: with those two minutes, is the reasoning. I think that 755 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: game could have lasted another hour and the Penguins weren't 756 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: going to score a third goal. So while I mean 757 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: I thought it was a bad challenge, but for the 758 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 1: right reason. 759 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 2: If I'm reading it right. 760 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 4: Kapeche see, Yeah, I got you. 761 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 2: Thank you for the call, Newman. 762 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: Let's go to uh Mika Micah, you're on with double 763 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: m Hey. 764 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 2: What I mean? 765 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 3: Hey? I was just wondering what are your favorite track 766 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,800 Speaker 3: from Foreigner and do you plan on seeing them on 767 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 3: their fiftieth anniversary tour? 768 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 4: Uh? 769 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to see them in Toronto with Leonard 770 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: Skinner this summer and also in Vegas, although I'm sad 771 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: to say that Lou Graham's making sporadic appearances to sing 772 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,240 Speaker 1: a few songs and he won't be either of those dates. 773 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, I will be seeing them at least twice. 774 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 3: Uh. 775 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: You know, I think luis the new singer UFO alumnus 776 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: on on keys and guitar back with that band. I 777 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: think he has a great voice and I think the 778 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 1: songs are full proof. My favorite Foreigner track this will 779 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: come out of nowhere, but probably Dirty White Boy. I 780 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: like the way it drives. I really like Double Vision 781 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: as well. How about you? 782 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 3: I like Head Games the best. 783 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 2: Thanks Mark, thank you. Let's go to Steve. 784 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: Steve, You're on the super Genius Hey, double m Hey. 785 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 5: After a chuck ny grown pass today I'm just curious. 786 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 5: If you're a Three Dog Knight fan, I am not really. 787 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 2: I mean I i'd be honest. 788 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: I mean if you named a couple of their songs, 789 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 1: I mean I would say, oh, yeah, that's Three Dog Knight. 790 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: And at the top of my head, what was it? 791 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: Spinning Wheel, spinning wheel, spinning run right? 792 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 7: No? 793 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, they had, uh, black and white, 794 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 5: the show mus go on. There's a whole whole who 795 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 5: did spinning wheel? 796 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,240 Speaker 3: Loneliest number who did spend? 797 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 2: Is the loneliest number who did spinning Wheel? 798 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 5: I think it's that's a that's a different group. Hey, 799 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 5: and I got another thing. Dad in a friend of 800 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 5: mine in Nashville last couple weeks been in the studio 801 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 5: working with Greta van Fleet. So they got some new 802 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 5: stuff coming. I know you're a fan. 803 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,240 Speaker 1: Oh that was Blood, Sweat and Tears. Did spinning Wheel? 804 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,280 Speaker 1: Oh really, I didn't know Greta Van Fleet were in studio. 805 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: That's great. 806 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they've been there a couple couple of weeks. 807 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 5: He'd been, Uh, what's your what's your friend doing? He's 808 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,760 Speaker 5: recording engineer, he records music. 809 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: Tell me to get one of the brothers to call 810 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: the show. We haven't talked to them in a long time. 811 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 4: He's from Pittsburgh. 812 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's from Pittsburgh, So I could I can maybe 813 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 5: uh throw come your way. I'll reach out to him. 814 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: Pass it along, do your best. Let's go to the 815 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: Montroy Boy Toy MTBT. 816 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,959 Speaker 2: What's up yo, Doblem's bullet toy? 817 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 4: I know, texiest thing to come out of me, Milpa, 818 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 4: Sharon Stone or brand new set of four twenty channel looks. 819 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,320 Speaker 1: Thank you for the call. I have no idea what 820 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: you're talking about. What are four twenty channel locks? I 821 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: don't know, some kind of car thing. Let's go to 822 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: a talkback Mark. 823 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 8: I'm curious if you have any favorite Winter Olympic events 824 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 8: to watch besides ice hockey. Personally, I really like figure skating, 825 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 8: especially the ice dance. 826 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:52,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. 827 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: I won't watch one bit of the Winter Olympics except 828 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: for as much men's hockey as I can, and I'll 829 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: watch some women's hockey. But I gotta tell you women's 830 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: hockey is anahaimac that you know, the two teams going 831 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: to be in the final, the US and Canada, and 832 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: even the men's hockey, I prefer NHL hockey. I do 833 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: I prefer club the country. I don't derive patriotism from 834 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: from a game, and I think anybody who does is 835 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to see your shallow. Yeah, I do 836 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: want to see your shallow. Uh As mark anything brought 837 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: to us by People's Hyphengas dot Com. Up next, we're 838 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 1: gonna talk about high school basketball, but you'll find it interesting. 839 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: Get your calls into eight three three four one two 840 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: wxdx