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Speaker 2: lot to get to with the Cincinnati Bengals. More on

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow from yesterday. We'll go around the NFL Awards.

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Speaker 2: We did not get to those yesterday. Going into the

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. Let's start with the top sports stories from

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Speaker 2: around the sports world. Austin. I feel like things around

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Speaker 2: LSU are gonna get a little dicey. Brian Kelly is

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Speaker 2: now going back at LSU. LSU is claiming that it

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Speaker 2: has not formally terminated the coach. They are trying to

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Speaker 2: find ways for Cause to get rid of Brian Kelly,

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Speaker 2: which would avoid paying a full buy out of nearly

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Speaker 2: fifty four million dollars.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a big Brian Kelly guy. Matter of fact,

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Speaker 3: they can't stand the guy at all, but good for him.

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Speaker 3: Why should he not try to get as much money

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Speaker 3: as possible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I actually sided with BK on this one.

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Speaker 3: I mean, fifty three million, that's a lot different than

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Speaker 3: twenty five or thirty yep. I mean, go get your bag, man,

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Speaker 3: get your bag, coach, go get your Why negotiate a

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Speaker 3: deal like that if you're not going to make the

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Speaker 2: Agreed NBA action. Nico Harrison expected to be fired as

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Speaker 2: the general manager of the Dallas Mavericks today. It's just

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Speaker 2: not gone well for Nico Harrison. Obviously, the Luka Doncic

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Speaker 2: and who Luca is still becoming. They got Anthony Davis

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Speaker 2: for him. That has been a disaster. And I thought

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Speaker 2: Austin that maybe winning the lottery and getting Cooper flag

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Speaker 2: would be enough to save Nico's job. They've started three

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Speaker 2: and eight on the season. They are trending in the

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Speaker 2: wrong direction, and the Mavericks are moving in a new

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Speaker 2: direction and moving on from Nico Harrison.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it just hasn't seemed to work out.

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Speaker 3: And the way that Nico has kind of carried himself

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Speaker 3: the arrogance that comes with it. The MAVs really, ever

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Speaker 3: since Mark Cuban had kind of stepped back, have made

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Speaker 2: Be the GM. Speaking of the former mentioned Luka Doncik.

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Speaker 2: He had thirty eight, six and seven last night to

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Speaker 3: I saw that Lebron has begun practicing with the G

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Speaker 3: who checks notes is almost fifty, will return to action

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Speaker 3: in the Association. Also, you're gonna talk about Wimby last night.

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Speaker 2: Victor Wimbin Yamah thirty eight twelve five five. Spurs outscore

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Speaker 3: How you're supposed to defend Wemby on those last two

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Speaker 3: I mean, nobody on planet Earth can defend that into

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Speaker 3: in the fold. That's a good, good, young and fun

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Speaker 3: tonight and tomorrow, Ken State, Akron tonight, Ohio, Western Michigan

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Speaker 2: I'm all with it. We got Maction back, baby. We've

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Speaker 2: got college basketball to discuss today. We will devote a

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Speaker 2: last night for the Xavier Musketeers.

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Speaker 3: Well, thankfully nobody was there to see it. Yeah, sparse crowd.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy sparse. Last night, Santa Clara was up nineteen

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Speaker 2: have not seen yet, Austin a Richard Patino grade tweet. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen to do it when you win, you

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Speaker 2: got to do it when you lose. I agree.

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Speaker 3: I like Richard Patino, I like his vibe. I respect

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Speaker 3: that he has done this, But you're going to lose

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Speaker 3: my respect real quick if you don't do the grades

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Speaker 3: We need it today, Yep, we need it. Today's all

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Speaker 2: College basketball tonight, top twenty five matchup Creighton at Gonzaga,

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Speaker 3: Is Mark Pope going to be there? He's got jury duty.

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Speaker 3: I think he got out of jury duty. Okay, he's

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Speaker 2: That'd be kind of funny. Also, tonight, Dayton is at

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, without a doubt, maybe top five. Would Xavier be

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Speaker 2: Wow, let's go, let's go. Just I mean, these are

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Speaker 2: just last thoughts I have. Last night Eagles Packers a

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Speaker 2: Really, Okay, I was, I've just not been entertained watching

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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts and Jordan Love. Now we saw a game

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Speaker 2: on Thursday Night Football that was ten to seven with

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Speaker 2: and you think, I don't think these two teams are

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Speaker 3: Than that score indicates. I was entertained by the game

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Speaker 4: Now was it?

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Speaker 2: You know what?

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Speaker 3: I have been more entertained if it was fifty six

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Speaker 2: I just when I look at these teams, I go

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Speaker 2: back to the quarterback play. I just don't know how

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Speaker 2: much I trust Jordan Love And right now it doesn't

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Speaker 2: feel like Jalen Hurts wants to be much of a runner.

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Speaker 2: quarterback play. And you've got a green Bay team last night.

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Speaker 2: I get it. Philly's a good team. Green Bay's also

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Speaker 2: and it brings me to more of a I guess

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Speaker 2: that back to the Cincinnati Bengals. We'll talk about that

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Speaker 2: as we go in hour number one. But the NFC, Austin,

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Speaker 2: you could make a case for the Seahawks. You could

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Speaker 2: that's who I think. By the way, then we talked

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Speaker 2: subpar offensive performance in a loss against the Kings, and

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Speaker 2: out of nowhere, Dan Campbell's now calling place for the

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I would say it was one.

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Speaker 3: There's been concerns about the efficiency of their offense and

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Speaker 3: against the Bengals, they weren't the best. Those problems carried

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Speaker 3: they just kind of ran away with it. But following

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Speaker 3: bubbling for a little while with their offensive coordinator and

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Speaker 3: Dan Campbell, at his credit, said you know what, I'm

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Speaker 2: But I think there is a path that you can

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Speaker 2: make arguments for Super Bowl contenders for the Eagles, the Seahawks,

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Speaker 2: the Lions, the Bucks, the Rams, the Packers, all out

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Speaker 3: I think today the two best teams in the NFC

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Speaker 3: might be Tampa and Seattle. That doesn't necessarily mean they're

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Speaker 3: going to be the last one standing. Tampa's dealing within injuries,

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Speaker 3: mean the margin you know between those tiers very very thin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. MLB, they got their awards coming down this week

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Speaker 2: throughout the week. I believe in the cojuur of the years. Tonight. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: All Right, the big news yesterday was obviously Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: My question would be, Austin, if they beat Pittsburgh, does

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Speaker 3: Those games essentially become meaningless and they have struggled to

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Speaker 3: draft as it is, So if you lose those games,

435
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Speaker 3: all it does is help you get a better player

436
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Speaker 3: in the draft. Secondly, you still have two rookies starting

437
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 3: on your offensive line, and Dylan Fairchild and Jalen Rivers,

438
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Speaker 3: and they're going to get every opportunity to start over

439
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 3: the course of the rest of the season, and you

440
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: really don't want Burrow to have any sort of re injury,

441
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 3: whether that's to his toe, or otherwise going into the offseason. Now,

442
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Speaker 3: I want Joe to play. I'm sure the Bengals want

443
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Speaker 3: Joe to play. I'm sure Joe wants to play. But

444
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Speaker 3: when you think of it through the lens of what

445
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Speaker 3: is best for the betterment of the franchise, putting him

446
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 3: out there in meaningless games, yep, that doesn't.

447
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Speaker 2: Qualify, especially with so many questions you've got to already

448
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: figure out. You've got so much to figure out on

449
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: this team. Do you really want to be trying to

450
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 2: figure out if you have all the answers on the

451
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Speaker 2: O line while still putting Joe Burrow back there.

452
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Speaker 3: I also think Joe understands that possibility, because he said

453
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Speaker 3: he was asked I think by Dan Hord and others

454
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Speaker 3: about the wins and losses and you know, the variables

455
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Speaker 3: that go into it. And I think he also understands

456
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Speaker 3: it's a real possibilit if we lose these games that

457
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Speaker 3: I don't get to play at all.

458
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Speaker 2: I applaud Joe Burrow. I love everything about who he is.

459
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Speaker 2: I love his work ethic, the desire to not only

460
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Speaker 2: get back, but to completely blow away the time frame

461
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Speaker 2: that many people have been given. And I think the

462
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Speaker 2: peelback that Jake Glazier gave of the mindset of Joe

463
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Speaker 2: Burrow and how he wanted to get back. I have

464
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Speaker 2: so much respect for that as someone on a smaller

465
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Speaker 2: scale who's went through multiple injuries and know the mental

466
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Speaker 2: toll just as well as the physical that it can take.

467
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Speaker 2: I applaud Joe for wanting to be back and be

468
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Speaker 2: back so quick, But you also have to think about

469
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Speaker 2: the long term future as well. You've got to think

470
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Speaker 2: about this organization, and that, to me, Austin raises a

471
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Speaker 2: bigger question and it's something we alluded to yesterday and

472
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Speaker 2: I'll go back to it today. You started the start

473
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Speaker 2: of this year, the conversation in the AFC was around Buffalo,

474
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Speaker 2: Kansas City, and Baltimore. And there are folks out there

475
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Speaker 2: that still believe Buffalo can can get things figured out,

476
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Speaker 2: that Kansas City is the most dangerous team just because

477
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Speaker 2: they've been there so many times, and there are a

478
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Speaker 2: lot of folks I believe the Baltimore Ravens are gonna

479
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 2: win the AFC North, that the betting favorite, and they

480
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: are going to be a dangerous out in the playoffs.

481
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Speaker 2: But the issue that I see across the AFC is.

482
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Speaker 2: I don't see Buffalo or Baltimore or Kansas City going

483
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Speaker 2: away next year. I still see them as a contender

484
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Speaker 2: in the AFC. The things that I did not account

485
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Speaker 2: for was Indianapolis being this far ahead of schedule, seemingly

486
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Speaker 2: not going anywhere anytime soon. The Denver Broncos rookie quarterback

487
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 2: Bo Nicks not going anywhere soon. They've won seven games

488
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Speaker 2: in a row. The New England Patriots rookie quarterback building

489
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: the team around him with seven games in a row,

490
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: are not going anywhere soon. At eight and two. The

491
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Speaker 2: Steelers seem to always have at least some say. Los

492
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: Angeles Chargers are seven to three. Seven and three, and

493
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: they lost both tackles Joe Alt and Rashaun Slater. They

494
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: are still competitive. The Jacksonville Jaguars, say what you want

495
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: about the meltdown this past weekend. Under Liam Cohen, I

496
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: think are going to be a better team. The Houston

497
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: Texans don't seem to be that far off. We've talked

498
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: about the fight that the Miami Dolphins have shown. What

499
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: I'm getting at the AFC is going to be deeper

500
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: and more talented next year. So while it would be

501
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: great for Joe Burrow to come back if they're playing

502
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Speaker 2: meaningful football. If they're not playing meaningful football, you have

503
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: way too many questions as a team on both sides

504
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: of the ball to answer so that you can try

505
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: to get it figured out and be a competitive team

506
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Speaker 2: next year. Because we're still Austin. Are we still operating

507
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: in the Joe Burrow super Bowl window? Yeah? Is that

508
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Speaker 2: how we're supposed to be operating. Absolutely? I think we're

509
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,239
Speaker 2: into a different portion. Is that tougherent today than it

510
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: was last year because of now more seats at the

511
00:27:59,080 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: table in the AFC?

512
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Speaker 3: No, it doesn't change like Yeah, of course, more good

513
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 3: teams means it's going to be more difficult to where

514
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 3: you to be where you want to go.

515
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Speaker 2: Do you trust that this team can do enough this

516
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Speaker 2: offseason to contend for a Super Bowl next year?

517
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Speaker 4: Yes?

518
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Speaker 2: What gives you that belief?

519
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Speaker 3: They have seventy million dollars in cap space and the

520
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: best one of the best offenses in the NFL.

521
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Speaker 2: How much they would they have fifty plus in cap

522
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: space last offseason? M hmmm? Did nothing? Fair? Yeah?

523
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Speaker 3: I mean fair, But I'm not going to just say okay,

524
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 3: they can't do it at all? I have seen them

525
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 3: spend money appropriately. I have seen them draft players that

526
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Speaker 3: can be helpful. I've seen them turn it around quicker

527
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Speaker 3: than I expected. I'm not going to just say they

528
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Speaker 3: can't do it. Have you seen am I overly confident

529
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: that they will know. But I don't think it's impossible

530
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 3: to think that this team is right back in the

531
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Speaker 3: playoffs next year. Well, I don't mean the plump time

532
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 3: winning a Super Bowl. I agree, you got to get

533
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 3: to the playoffs first. I don't think it's out of

534
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: this realm at all to say that now it does

535
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: feel like they're far away from contending, just because it

536
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: doesn't feel like there's been any development on those young

537
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 3: players on defense. But I do feel like Dylan Fairschild's

538
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,719
Speaker 3: a hit. I think Jalen Rivers is trending in that

539
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: direction as well. What Trey Henderson, how that situation plays out,

540
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 3: remains to be seen. But when you have seventy million dollars,

541
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Speaker 3: and even if you do spend twenty five of it

542
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: on Trey, you still have a path to be able

543
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 3: to repair your defense. I think, especially through the draft,

544
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Speaker 3: I get that there's plenty of reason to doubt their

545
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: ability to draft I have one hundred percent agree with you,

546
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: especially on defense. But I'm not going to say a

547
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: team with an offense that's this good with these quarterbacks.

548
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: We haven't even talked about restructuring Burrows deal, which is

549
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 3: still on the table to open up even more cap

550
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: space at seventy million. I have no reason to believe

551
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 3: that they can't get right back in the conversation.

552
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Speaker 2: My only concern is, regardless of the money, who's making

553
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: the decision, They've not drafted well. They have failed since

554
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: going back to Carson Palmer. When Carson Palmer got paid,

555
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: they were thirty three and forty six after he got

556
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: paid one playoff appearance and lost. They were thirty three

557
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: and forty six after Andy Dalton got paid one playoff

558
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: appearance and lost. They're twelve and fourteen after Joe Burrow

559
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: got paid. They've yet to be in the playoffs. There

560
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: just hasn't been a track record of building this roster

561
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Speaker 2: under the current regime with Duke Tobin and Zacht whatever

562
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: whatever hand Zach Taylor Marvin Lewis had and that as well,

563
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Speaker 2: there just hasn't been any indication that they've been able

564
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Speaker 2: to build a roster after paying a quarterback.

565
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and listen, it's not going to change. Zach's not

566
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: going to get fired. Duke's not gonna get fired that

567
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: So I mean, we can yell and bitch and moan

568
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 3: at the Brown family and put up posters and protests

569
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 3: and do all this stuff.

570
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,239
Speaker 2: It's not going to change. I don't think though.

571
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: They've opened up the money, sure, but they still play

572
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: a role in this, and they are decision makers and

573
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: it's their franchise and it would be up to them

574
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 3: to decide what to do with Zach and a Duke.

575
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: And based off of the history, if you want to

576
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: follow off what you've been saying, it's not likely that

577
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 3: they'll make a significant change. And so based off of that,

578
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 3: you have to look at, Okay, what do they have

579
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 3: and what is the potential path to returning to the playoffs?

580
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: How can they potentially learn from the mistakes that they

581
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: have in the past. They've already taken a little bit

582
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 3: of a different process in keeping guys like Jamar and Tea,

583
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 3: And yes, it costs them more money than it should have,

584
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: but they've kept those guys. They've listened to Burrow, They've

585
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: done a really like the plan on paper makes a

586
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: lot of sense how they've tried to figure it out

587
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: in the draft. It just hasn't worked. So I look

588
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 3: at it through that lens of Okay, what are the

589
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: indicators to what the plan is and how is it possible?

590
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 3: Where's the path for them to get competitive again? And

591
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: I see it through that free agency, I see it

592
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: through that salary cap. I see it through a deep

593
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: defensive draft class coming up this year, and I think, Okay,

594
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: that's probably the best possible path.

595
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: Now.

596
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: Is it guaranteed to work. Absolutely not. We've seen them

597
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: screw it up many times. But I can't sit here

598
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: and just pound the table for people to get fired

599
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 3: and it's not going to happen, and without trying to

600
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: look for solutions elsewhere, And I don't care what happens

601
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 3: in the rest of the AFC. That shouldn't change your standard, right,

602
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 3: Like you should still be doing everything in your power

603
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 3: to turn your team into a contender, and you should,

604
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: but are making your team.

605
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: More formidable tons?

606
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 10: Right?

607
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: Sure, but that doesn't change the way you act like

608
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: you should be making your team one of those to

609
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: begin with. You know, Indianapolis, Kansas City be damned, Buffalo

610
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 3: be damned. You should be doing everything you can to

611
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 3: make yourself one of those teams.

612
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the at my core issue is last year

613
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: we saw history from Trey Hendrickson, Jamar Chase, and Joe Burrow,

614
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: and they had a ton of money, they had the

615
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: draft picks to address the defense, and we went from

616
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: one of the worst defense that we talked about in

617
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: the league last year to potentially one of the worst

618
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: in the history of the NFL. That to me, that

619
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: does not scream if there's not a change at GM,

620
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: if there's not a change at how they addressed the

621
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: process of identifying talent and developing it, How would one

622
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: lead to believe that they're just going to figure it

623
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: out when they've just failed to do that last year

624
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: when everyone said the offense is so good, just get

625
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: a middle of the pack defense, and they not only

626
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: failed to do that, they went in the complete opposite

627
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: direction with where this defense has been.

628
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 3: Well, I think my biggest excuse me argument to that

629
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 3: would be that we had that same feeling in twenty twenty.

630
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 3: They drafted a quarterback. He immediately got hurt. You're thinking, Okay,

631
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 3: they've screwed this guy up again. How can based off

632
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: what we've seen in the past. They actually turn this

633
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 3: around and they hit multiple times in free agency, they

634
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 3: did enough in the draft, and they were in the

635
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 3: super Bowl the next year. So I understand, you know

636
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 3: where everybody's coming from. Everyone wants to now use money

637
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: as an excuse. I don't think money is at where

638
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 3: at the point where money can be used as an excuse.

639
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 3: I and and how are we supposed to go about

640
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: being a Bengals fan or talking about this team if like,

641
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 3: they don't fire They're not going to fire the coach,

642
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: They're not going to fire the director, player personnel. So

643
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 3: what are we supposed to do? Just complain about that

644
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 3: all the time. No, but have to be re realistic

645
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 3: in expectations. Okay, so I can have a standard. A

646
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 3: standard can be different than the expectations. I mean, it's

647
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: it's when you call them out when they don't meet

648
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: the standard. And I think a lot of people did

649
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 3: this year. I don't think anybody felt like they did enough.

650
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I said multiple times I thought their run defense would

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Speaker 3: be better. Hasn't been great. I thought marginally the defense

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Speaker 3: would improve, and I bought some of the al golden stock.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately that hasn't worked out for me. But now I'm

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Speaker 3: looking at it saying, Okay, well, how do they fix this?

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Speaker 2: That's a hard question. I mean we we've had conversations

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Speaker 2: about a handful of players that you would keep going forward.

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Speaker 2: That's how depleted this roster is and how much of

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Speaker 2: an overhaul it would need. I again, you go into

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Speaker 2: every offseason, how can you position yourself to win a championship?

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Speaker 2: There are just teams that have done it the right

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Speaker 2: way and we've not seen that since Joe Burrow has

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Speaker 2: been paid what he got paid, and now that's an

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Speaker 2: uphill battle without I use the term equity a lot.

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Speaker 2: There's not a lot of equity in how this roster's

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Speaker 2: been built. It's the same way we talk I talk

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Speaker 2: about the Reds. I want the Reds to win a

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Speaker 2: World Series. I want the Reds to be competitive. That's

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Speaker 2: the standard. They have failed to meet that standard. But

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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean you go into an offseason and think

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Speaker 2: can they You know, I'm not going into the Reds

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Speaker 2: offseason saying, well, can they just be over five hundred

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Speaker 2: next year? I want to go into an off season

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Speaker 2: and find a way to field a team that can

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Speaker 2: win the NL Central and win a World Series, right,

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Speaker 2: but it just feels further away now than it has

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Speaker 2: to me in recent years with the Cincinnati Bengals. We're

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Speaker 2: late for a break, We'll get a break, we'll get

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Speaker 2: back on track, and we've got some NFL awards we

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Speaker 2: didn't get to yesterday. The second half of the season

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Speaker 2: is underway. Let's get a couple NFL awards as we

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Speaker 2: go as well. Joe danimill join us one o'clock on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to Football in the NATI on ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals. From

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Speaker 1: the locker room whispers to stadium roars, He's got it

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Speaker 1: Blind Lou.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back cent three to sixty thanks to Skyline Chili.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening. On ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Joe Daniman will join us at one o'clock your talkbacks

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Speaker 2: after that our three Scott Saderfield out of a bye

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Speaker 2: week speaking to members of the media. We'll hear it

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Speaker 2: from Scott Saderfield. You'll hear from Rick Walls, executive director

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Speaker 2: of the Reds Museum and Hall of Fame, and Mullagar

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Speaker 2: will check in from Oakley Greens. We'll also spend some

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Speaker 2: time with college basketball in our number three as well.

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Speaker 2: To get back on schedule, we'll take a quick break

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Speaker 2: in just a moment when we come back Austin. Can

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Speaker 2: we give away some awards at a little over now

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Speaker 2: to the halfway port of the NFL season. Sure, let's

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Speaker 2: do some awards when we return. How we view some

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Speaker 2: of these award races in the National Football League. Will

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Speaker 2: finish up our number one next on the home of

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Speaker 2: the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 11: First down in ten Green Bay, thirty six for Philadelphia

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Speaker 11: shotgun stamp Victor visby pack The pass Hurtz goes Hall

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Speaker 11: marching spiral down the middle, leaping catch of the goal line,

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Speaker 11: touchdown hat the goal line.

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Speaker 12: Defon Tay Smith.

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Speaker 13: Beautiful pro heavily covered a thirty six hard strike and

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Speaker 13: the Eagles have scored the game's first touchdown in the

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Speaker 13: fourth quarter, Smith leaping high and bringing it down down the.

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Speaker 4: Middle of the field.

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Speaker 14: It was the perfect play call on first down after

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Speaker 14: a long play, Packers thinking run. Eagles come with the

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Speaker 14: play pass deep post to Devonte Smith. He's as good

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Speaker 14: of a deep ball contested catch.

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Speaker 2: Receiver as there is. He left uppoort like gazelle. It

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Speaker 2: was graceful and beautiful, a gazelle, graceful and beautiful. It

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Speaker 2: was a good throw. It was a better catch from

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Speaker 2: Devonte Smith. Eagles win ten to seven. Monday Night Football.

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Speaker 2: top of our number two. Let's give away some awards

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Speaker 2: as we see them. Where the NFL season sits right now, Austin.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with your MVP of the National Football League

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Speaker 2: as who Jonathan Taylor Indianapolis Colts. I know it's you know,

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Speaker 2: this is what I think it should be, not what

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Speaker 2: I think. What will happen?

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Speaker 3: I'm sure a quarterback will win the award. Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor and what he has brought to that offense

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Speaker 3: MVP to me. He's been absolutely ridiculous. The statistics speed

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Speaker 3: for themselves eleven hundred and thirty nine yards. He's been

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Speaker 3: a touchdown machine. He has at times put Indy on

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Speaker 3: his back, and he's also doing that on a team

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Speaker 3: that's winning football games. I respect that so much, But

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Speaker 3: because it is a quarterback driven league, I am going

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Speaker 3: to go with a quarterback who's been around a long time,

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Speaker 3: but he's playing I think his best football. Four touchdown

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Speaker 3: passes in each of his last three games, zero interceptions.

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Speaker 3: He leads the NFL in touchdowns by five. He's got

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Speaker 3: twenty five. The next closest is twenty. He's also only

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Speaker 3: thrown two interceptions. The touchdown to interception ratio for Matthew

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Speaker 3: Stafford has been ridiculous. I think he's playing the best

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Speaker 3: football in his career and he's on a team right

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Speaker 3: now that is also winning and has his team set

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Speaker 3: for a Super Bowl contention season. I will give MV

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Speaker 3: to Matthew Stafford to skip ahead my Offensive Player of

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Speaker 3: the Year, although Jackson Smith and Jigba has been awesome.

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Speaker 3: My Offensive Player the Year would be Jonathan Taylor for

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Speaker 3: everything you just mentioned Austin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jackson Smith and jigba Is who I picked

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Speaker 2: for mine.

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Speaker 3: Obviously leading the National Football League in receiving yards already,

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Speaker 3: he's got over two hundred more yards than Jamar Chase does,

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Speaker 3: which is kind of hard to believe. He fits in

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Speaker 3: perfectly with that offense. Clint Kubiak has done a great

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Speaker 3: job with Sam Darnold. I think Seattle might be the

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Speaker 3: best team in the NFC, as I said earlier, and

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Speaker 3: that defense, that environment, they'll continue to win games. I

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Speaker 3: think Jasn will play a big part of that. I

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Speaker 3: think he wins Offensive Player of the Year. Who's your

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Speaker 3: defensive Player of the year, Miles Garrett again, Yep, it's hard.

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Speaker 2: You just go back.

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Speaker 3: You can make the argument he's the best player in

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Speaker 3: the National Football League.

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Speaker 2: It's I think it's even hard to do what he

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Speaker 2: does when he's on a terrible team, and that's his

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Speaker 2: choice to be on a terrible team, but to continue

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Speaker 2: to bring it week in and week out. Leads the

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Speaker 2: league in sacks, leads the league in tackles for losses,

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Speaker 2: he does everything. I think he's the most dominant player,

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Speaker 2: as you just mentioned in the sport.

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Speaker 3: I will say this about Miles though, really for the

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Speaker 3: entirety of his career, with the exception of maybe two seasons,

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Speaker 3: the Browns have had a good enough defense. There have

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Speaker 3: been players around him that certainly help. Now he's still

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Speaker 3: the focal point of any plan against a Cleveland defense,

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Speaker 3: but for years they've had good corners and good safeties

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Speaker 3: and that makes his job a little bit easier. But

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Speaker 3: I think the longevity and just the continual production from

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Speaker 3: him is incredibly impressive. Offensive Rookie of the Year for me.

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Speaker 3: I actually said this before the season. He was plus

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Speaker 3: two thousand at the time. Amecha Igbuka yep is the

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Speaker 3: offensive rookie of the year. He has thirty fifth in

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Speaker 3: the NFL in receptions, thirty fifth in the NFL in receptions.

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Speaker 2: He's caught forty passes. The incredible thing about what he's

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Speaker 2: been able to do out of those forty catches, he's

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Speaker 2: top ten in yards and he's top ten in touchdown receptions.

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Speaker 2: He slides into an offense that has been without Mike

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Speaker 2: Evans and Chris Godwin. It's been without the running back

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Speaker 2: White for much of the season. And he has put

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Speaker 2: Tampa in a position as a rookie to pick up

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Speaker 2: right where they left off. They're going to continue to

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Speaker 2: continue to get healthy. I think Tampa's a legit contender,

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Speaker 2: and I think Buka has a lot to do with it.

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Speaker 2: He's my offensive rookie of the Year.

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Speaker 3: Still can't believe there are four pass catchers taken ahead

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Speaker 3: of him in the draft, and that includes Travis Hunter.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I got to watch a Mecca Buca every

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Speaker 3: single week pretty much of his college career, and I

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Speaker 3: knew this dude would show up and immediately have an

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Speaker 3: impact in the NFL. He fits perfectly into that offense

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Speaker 3: and obviously gets to learn from a couple of the

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Speaker 3: greats and Chris Godwin and Mike Evans, but you know

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Speaker 3: his ability to produce, and they've built so much of

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Speaker 3: that offense around him, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: A Mecca.

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Speaker 3: Who is your defensive rookie of the Year right now?

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Speaker 3: I'm big on the Seahawks, so I'm gonna stick with

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Speaker 3: the Seahawks. I'm gonna say nick Emon Worrie safety out

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Speaker 3: of South Carolina, a guy that we talked about a

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Speaker 3: little bit leading up to the draft. When it comes

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Speaker 3: to the Bengals as a potential pick for them. He's

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Speaker 3: been wonderful. If Seattle's defense continues to play the way

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Speaker 3: that it has, he'll certainly be in that conversation as

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Speaker 3: the rookie of the year. I'll keep the theme on

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Speaker 3: players we talked about leading up to the draft. He's

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Speaker 3: forced to fumble, he's intercepted a pass, a couple of

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Speaker 3: tackles for a loss, third on his team in tackles,

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Speaker 3: and he's playing for the defending He's playing for a

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Speaker 3: team in Philadelphia who is putting themselves right back into

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Speaker 3: the position to win another Super Bowl. And I look

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Speaker 3: at Ghat Campbell, I look at how much we talked

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Speaker 3: about him going in and to slide in on a

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Speaker 3: defense that has so much leadership, Zach Bond, Cooper, de

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Speaker 3: Jen Reid, Blanken Ship opposite him at safety, the big

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Speaker 3: guys in the middle. I'm so impressed. I thought he

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Speaker 3: was great last night, and getting a chance to watch

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Speaker 3: him in a standalone game, I think g Hot Campbell

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Speaker 3: has a legitimate argument when all this sudden done the season,

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Speaker 3: to be the defensive rookie of the Year.

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Speaker 2: Two more, who's your comeback player of the year? Oh gosh,

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Speaker 2: I didn't think about this. I'll give you my there

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Speaker 2: you go. Yeah, I'm gonna go. Christian McCaffrey. Okay, Christian

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Speaker 2: McCaffrey is blowing away statistical numbers even for him, and

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Speaker 2: he's just going to be relied on more and more

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Speaker 2: down the stretch of this season. Christian McCaffrey's my comeback

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Speaker 2: player of the year. Here's your coach of the Year,

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Speaker 2: Mike Rabel. Yeah, there's a lot of good ones on

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Speaker 2: this list. Shane Steichen can be up there. McDonald with

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Speaker 2: the Seahawks can be up there. But to me, it's

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Speaker 2: the culture in which Mike Rabel has created so quickly

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Speaker 2: in New England that just the guys play hard for him,

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Speaker 2: they play so well for him. I am going to

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm with you. We're in agreement, Mike Rabel right now.

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Speaker 2: The coach of the Year. That's our awards. As we

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Speaker 2: get into the second half of the NFL season, Joe

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Speaker 2: Daneman stands by from Fox nineteen. He joins us next

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Speaker 2: on the Home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome in. It's our number two, since he

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Speaker 2: three p sixty the Tuesday edition. Thanks to our friends

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Speaker 2: here at Cincy Shirts. Tuesday our number two. Let's get

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Speaker 2: right to it. From Fox nineteen. Our good friend Joe

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Speaker 2: Daniman joining us right now.

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Speaker 16: Hi, Joe, Tony, Tony Tony and Audie E. How about

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Speaker 16: the Burrow bomb man on Monday?

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable, Dana Boy, unbelievable. That yeah, that is where we start.

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is back. Joe Burrow wants to play. He

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Speaker 2: circled Thanksgiving. Austin and I were just talking about it.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't surprise us if he tried to play against the

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Speaker 2: New England Patriots next week. All of that being said,

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Speaker 2: if they don't take care of business against the Pittsburgh Steelers,

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Speaker 2: should he be playing?

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Speaker 16: Boy, this is the best talk radio sports debate material

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Speaker 16: you could come up with. I think they've got a

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Speaker 16: two week window here to win one of these two

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Speaker 16: games for Joe Burrow to come back on Thanksgiving. I

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Speaker 16: don't think there's a scenario where he plays against the

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Speaker 16: Patriots and you can clip this and rewind it and

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Speaker 16: tell me I'm an idiot this time next week. But

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Speaker 16: for a guy right now who's just throwing routes on air,

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Speaker 16: is not doing the full practice, full go running, cutting, start,

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Speaker 16: stop that kind of stuff. Just yet, I have a

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Speaker 16: hard time believing in ten days you can start the

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Speaker 16: game plan for this guy to be your starting quarterback

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Speaker 16: in what would be twelve days. So I think the

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Speaker 16: New England game is out, But again, tell me I'm

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Speaker 16: wrong in twelve days, So that gives the Bengals two

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Speaker 16: weeks to win one game to feel like they've got

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Speaker 16: a shot in the final six games. So that's the

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Speaker 16: runway for this team is to either upset Pittsburgh or

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Speaker 16: beat New England here in Cincinnati to get Joe Burrow

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Speaker 16: back on the field. And I think if they go

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Speaker 16: zero to two, my personal opinion is don't play him.

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Speaker 16: If they lose both of these next two games, you.

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Speaker 2: Know as someone who's there a lot, as someone who's

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Speaker 2: around on this team, and I know Bie weeks are

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Speaker 2: a little bit different. Was this something that was on

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Speaker 2: your radar or did this take you by surprise? Yesterday

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 16: Very much by surprise. I kind of had it in

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Speaker 16: the back of my mind that a mid December return

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Speaker 16: to games was on the table for him and that

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Speaker 16: meant maybe opening the twenty one day window in about

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Speaker 16: two weeks. So when we were setting up for Zach

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Speaker 16: Taylor yesterday in our weekly interview as being the TV

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Speaker 16: partners with the Bengals, the Bengals media relations director came

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Speaker 16: in and said, did you see the news? And in

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Speaker 16: my mind, the news went about ten different directions. What

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Speaker 16: could this be? I hadn't opened my email yet to

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Speaker 16: see the Bengals had released that Joe Burrow was opening

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Speaker 16: his practice windows. So that was dropped right on me

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Speaker 16: right before we talked to Zach, and that changed that

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Speaker 16: conversation pretty quickly. So, yeah, didn't see it coming this soon.

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Speaker 16: You know, we watched the progression of Joe inside the

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Speaker 16: locker room every week. We would see him make progress.

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Speaker 16: It was the scooter, then it was the hard cast,

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Speaker 16: then it was the walking boot, and then the last

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Speaker 16: couple of weeks he saw him walking around in normal

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Speaker 16: walking shoes and he looked fine walking. But you know,

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Speaker 16: it's a different thing from walking to playing football. So

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Speaker 16: to see that timeline as accelerated as it is, what

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Speaker 16: fifty two days since the surgery to getting back on

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Speaker 16: the practice field and throwing passes, it's pretty remarkable. I

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Speaker 16: think it speaks to who Joe Burrow is and what

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Speaker 16: he's about. And not only obviously the talent and the

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Speaker 16: ability on the field why the Bengals invested in this guy,

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Speaker 16: is also the character and the makeup and everything he's about.

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Speaker 16: So we shouldn't be surprised how quickly he got back,

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Speaker 16: but just to see it and to think about the timeline, certainly,

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Speaker 16: I thought this was a good two weeks away before

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Speaker 16: we'd see this.

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Speaker 2: We had a conversation on the show yesterday about just

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Speaker 2: setting tangible goals for the second half, and yes, you

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Speaker 2: want to come out and say, yeah, there's still a

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Speaker 2: chance to make the playoffs, and I hope they make

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Speaker 2: a run. I hope they get into the playoffs. I

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Speaker 2: hope they become what they were last year in a

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Speaker 2: dangerous team that you don't want to see in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: If that's not the case, what do you look at

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Speaker 2: as tangible goals, especially on the defensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 2: going into the second half of the year.

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Speaker 16: Well, it's interesting because now they do have a tangible

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Speaker 16: goal winning one of these next two games to get

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Speaker 16: your quarterback back and maybe try to recreate some of

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Speaker 16: the magic they had last year when they won all

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Speaker 16: those games down the stretch. So that's tangible goal number one.

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Speaker 16: Because when you come back from the bye week and

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Speaker 16: you have eight games left and you aren't sure when

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Speaker 16: your quarterback's coming back, and you have these really five

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Speaker 16: hard games against good be playoff teams in a row,

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Speaker 16: it kind of feels daunting. It kind of feels like

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Speaker 16: it's you know, where do I even begin to try

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Speaker 16: to show some kind of improvement. Well, now you have

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Speaker 16: a tangible goal of either beating Pittsburgh or beating New

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Speaker 16: England to get your quarterback back. And look, this isn't

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Speaker 16: for sure Joe's coming back on Thanksgiving. I think we're

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Speaker 16: all reading between the lines and the long pause that

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Speaker 16: Joe had yesterday when asked if that's the target date

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Speaker 16: and he paused, and he paused and he said, we'll see,

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Speaker 16: and I think we could all kind of read between

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Speaker 16: the lines on that one. So that's tangible goal number one.

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Speaker 16: Tangible goal number two for me is just establishing some

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Speaker 16: roles here, right Because the Bengals cleared house in their

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Speaker 16: linebacker room. Logan Golson is now gone. They went to

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Speaker 16: Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knights several weeks ago. But now

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Speaker 16: it feels like that the deck is cleared for these

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Speaker 16: only as players, but maybe development as leaders on that defense.

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Speaker 16: Because we've heard multiple times from people inside that room

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Speaker 16: it doesn't matter if you're a young guy or an

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Speaker 16: older guy. They just need people who step up and

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Speaker 16: kind of fit the mold of what they're looking for.

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Speaker 16: But it's not easy to do when a guy like

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Speaker 16: I think sometimes it inhibits a guy from stepping outside

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Speaker 16: and trying to take on that role. So establishing roles

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Speaker 16: in the second half of the season, I look to

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Speaker 16: those two players. They also looked to Shamar Stewart, establishing

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Speaker 16: himself as a difference maker. We haven't seen it yet

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Speaker 16: from him. But if those three guys can start to

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Speaker 16: take steps and you start looking to the off season,

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Speaker 16: building towards next season and having maybe some building blocks

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Speaker 16: and stepping stones for this defense to rebuild itself, those

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Speaker 16: are the three players I'm circling in the second half

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Speaker 16: of the season to see some flashes, to see some developments,

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Speaker 16: to see their roles start to be formed, so the

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Speaker 16: Bengals have a better idea what they're building around in

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Speaker 16: the off season as they try to rebuild this defense

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Speaker 16: again in another offseason.

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Speaker 3: Has there been any indication Joe about what could change

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Speaker 3: or what maybe the Bengals learned about themselves during the

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Speaker 3: bye week that they feel like they can turn this

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Speaker 3: thing around, maybe from a defensive standpoint or from a

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Speaker 3: coaching standpoint. Has there anything kind of been uncovered that

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Speaker 3: you've been able to get engauge on.

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Speaker 16: So yesterday was kind of hijacked by the Joe Burrow news.

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Speaker 16: So all the conversations we had inside the locker room

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Speaker 16: were with players about Joe, And it was a limited

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Speaker 16: time in there because Joe ate up most of our time,

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Speaker 16: So we only had about twenty twenty five minutes in there.

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Speaker 16: So those conversations I think will start to happen tomorrow

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Speaker 16: when we're back at it and the Bengals start their

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Speaker 16: work for the Pittsburgh Steelers this coming Sunday. So I

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Speaker 16: think it's an interesting question about what can change. Certainly,

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Speaker 16: you know, Zach Taylor has said multiple times over his

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Speaker 16: career that the bye week is used by them to

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Speaker 16: look internally to see what they can improve on as

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Speaker 16: a coaching staff, what they can do to better themselves,

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Speaker 16: and not necessarily looking forward to what opponents coming up

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Speaker 16: in the week and a half that they have in

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Speaker 16: between a bye week. So certainly there have to be changes.

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Speaker 16: What those changes are, I think we'll start to figure

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Speaker 16: more about those tomorrow when we start to ask those questions.

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Speaker 16: Just because it felt like yesterday was just what was

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Speaker 16: just hijacked by the burrow bomb that was dropped on

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Speaker 16: pay Course State, even all the conversations were centered around that.

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Speaker 2: We found out as well kind of got a little

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Speaker 2: peek into the trade deadline and it doesn't sound like

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Speaker 2: the Bengals received anything higher than a fourth round pick

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Speaker 2: for Trey Hendrickson. Hearing those reports and knowing that there

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Speaker 2: just wasn't a lot out there for Trey Hendrickson. Do

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Speaker 2: you agree with now, with that understanding, the decision to

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Speaker 2: keep Trey Hendrickson and not move him for a fourth

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Speaker 2: round pick, even though you know the injury and the

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Speaker 2: conversation of him being doubtful this week continues to linger.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the Bengals did right by holding on

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Speaker 2: to him if the offer was just a fourth rounder?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I think so. I don't think you can give

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Speaker 16: up an asset like that for a return as low

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Speaker 16: as a fourth round or he's worth more than that.

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Speaker 16: The asset itself is worth more than that. And plus,

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Speaker 16: if the Bengals truly are having this window and this

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Speaker 16: timeline of perhaps Joe Burrow returning on Thanksgiving, you still

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Speaker 16: need a good players, and especially your best defensive player

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Speaker 16: to have a shot for this thing to look anything

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Speaker 16: like it did last year. Down the stretch. The Bengals

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Speaker 16: traditionally don't like to wave a white flag, especially midway

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Speaker 16: through a season and at three and six, and even

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Speaker 16: though the record looks like it does right now technically

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Speaker 16: and you know, just statistically, they are still very much

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Speaker 16: in it. I understand saying that, you know, comes with

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Speaker 16: a grain of salt, but they are very much in

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Speaker 16: it in the AFC North with the shot to do it.

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Speaker 16: So to give up Trey Hendrickson would have felt like

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Speaker 16: waving a white flag on the season, saying they're done.

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Speaker 16: Because I'd argue, if they had Trey Hendrickson on the

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Speaker 16: field for the Jets and the Bears game in the

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Speaker 16: fourth quarter, the Bengals likely had a great shot of

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Speaker 16: winning both of those games. And where would they be

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Speaker 16: right now? And I understand that doesn't fix all the

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Speaker 16: problems their defense has, and it doesn't help them win

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Speaker 16: this really hard five game stretch they have coming up,

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Speaker 16: but it does give them more cushion if they were

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Speaker 16: to win those games. So having Trey Hendrickson still on

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Speaker 16: the roster speaks to me about the understanding this franchise

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Speaker 16: probably had in the back of its mind of the

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Speaker 16: Joe Burrow window being available perhaps on Thanksgiving and not

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Speaker 16: waving the white flag right now. Plus a fourth rounder

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Speaker 16: just isn't enough. I mean, he's worth more than that

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Speaker 16: in any kind of return, So I wouldn't do that

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Speaker 16: trade just based on the asset that Trey Hendrickson is

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Speaker 16: giving him up for a fourth rounder to me would

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Speaker 16: seem like just bad business.

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Speaker 2: The vibe, the feel around a team. Obviously, you want

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Speaker 2: to be better than what the record shows at the buy.

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Speaker 2: But the old in the arm of Joe Burrow, back

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Speaker 2: on the practice field, being in the locker room, being

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Speaker 2: around there yesterday, does it feel like this team believes

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Speaker 2: they have a run in them.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, we'll see. I mean, certainly, the jolt

1081
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 16: was real inside the locker room. I mean it was

1082
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 16: kind of similar to what we felt when the Bengals

1083
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 16: made the trade for Joe Flacco. There was this belief, like, okay,

1084
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 16: shot in the arm, a little bit of energy when

1085
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 16: they got Joe Flacco. The team's trying to go for

1086
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 16: the organizations, trying to give us somebody to win with.

1087
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 16: But also in the back of the mind, it has

1088
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 16: to be that the offense has not been the problem

1089
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 16: here even with Joe Burrow out. Now I understand what

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00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 16: Joe Burrow means to this team, not just physically tangibly,

1091
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 16: but also what he means to them and the psyche

1092
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 16: of the team that he can help buoy this team

1093
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 16: a little bit more just by his presence on the

1094
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,919
Speaker 16: field and give them a better shot of winning, even

1095
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 16: if the offense hasn't been a problem. So yeah, I

1096
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 16: think there's life. I think there's a jolt. It's to

1097
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 16: be seen how much difference that makes against good teams.

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Speaker 16: I don't know if that helps him come one o'clock

1099
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 16: in Pittsburgh. I don't know if that helps him come

1100
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 16: next Sunday when they play Drake May and the New

1101
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 16: England Patriots here at pay Course Stadium. But if you

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00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 16: go back to what we were saying earlier, and I

1103
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 16: think both of you guys agree with me on this one,

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00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 16: that the Bengals have to win one of the next

1105
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 16: two for Joe Burrow to have any kind of reason

1106
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 16: to come back and play this year. And to me

1107
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 16: not to steer the conversation back to Burrow, but I

1108
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 16: do want to make one more point here on the

1109
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 16: Joe Burrow debate whether he should or should not come back.

1110
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Speaker 16: And people can argue, and I'll listen to the argument

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00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 16: that you know, these guys are paid a lot of

1112
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 16: money to play football. That's their livelihood that they're living.

1113
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Speaker 16: And people can argue. Listen, if he's healthy, the Bengals

1114
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 16: are paying this guy to play football, he should go

1115
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 16: play football. And I'll hear that. But for a team

1116
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 16: with so many questions they have to answer in the

1117
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 16: offseason about their defense, about possibly the leadership of the team,

1118
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 16: the last thing they need is questions about the health

1119
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 16: of their quarterback and putting their quarterback back out there

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01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 16: the final five or six weeks for a season that

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01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 16: if they were to lose these next two games is

1122
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 16: most likely too far gone. The risk of putting him

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Speaker 16: back out there to get him hurt again and then

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Speaker 16: have another off season of questions, and they've done this

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01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 16: multiple times now with Joe Burrow, that's another question they

1126
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 16: don't need to pile on for a team that already

1127
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 16: has so many to figure out this offseason. That's why,

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Speaker 16: in the back of my mind is win one of

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01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 16: the two next games or bust. But that's coming from me.

1130
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 16: I'm not in the organization. I'm not making these decisions.

1131
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 16: That's made by, you know, the people who are writing

1132
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 16: the checks and the people who are coaching this team.

1133
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 16: But that's why to me, it feels like got to

1134
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 16: win one of the next two to even entertain the

1135
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 16: idea of having Joe Burrow back.

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Speaker 3: Well, we talked about how they traditionally don't wave the

1137
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 3: white flag. That would be a waving of the white

1138
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 3: flag more than any other time. Is just the enormity

1139
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 3: of Burrow and that potential enough to make them fully

1140
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 3: wave it.

1141
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 16: But that's waving the white flag. Austin. At three and eight, right,

1142
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 16: you know, that's eleven games into a season, and if

1143
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 16: you have three wins, I think it's time then to

1144
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 16: understand where you are and be smart about Yeah, three

1145
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 16: and six, halfway through the season, I think it's too early,

1146
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 16: at least their mind to wave it. But I think

1147
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 16: if you get to three and eight, eleven weeks into it,

1148
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 16: and then you're looking with the bye week, you're looking

1149
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 16: at week thirteen, I think at that point you've had

1150
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 16: enough time to try to show that you're good enough

1151
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 16: to make a playoff run, and you're good enough to

1152
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 16: support Joe Burrow being back on the field and make

1153
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 16: that decision to put him out there as opposed to

1154
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 16: taking the decision out of his hands and doing right

1155
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 16: by him and by doing right by him or doing

1156
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 16: right by the organization of the future of this team.

1157
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 16: And you've made the point to Austin and I think

1158
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 16: smartly on your podcast of talking about that the first

1159
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 16: window of Joe Burrow's Super Bowl window. That that one's closed,

1160
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 16: they have to now transition into another window of building

1161
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 16: around Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and T Higgins and

1162
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 16: looking to retool this team. And whether that means more

1163
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 16: massive changes on defense or changes in leadership, that's to

1164
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 16: be seen. But I think if you get to three

1165
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 16: and eight, it's time it's time to wave the white

1166
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 16: flag and call.

1167
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 2: It a season, Joe, to switch gears for just a moment,

1168
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 2: you know, a bye weekend for the Bearcats and for

1169
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 2: the Bengals. FC Cincinnati got a huge win. High school

1170
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 2: playoffs in full swing NBA action. We also welcome back

1171
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 2: college basketball. What went down at the Cintas Center last

1172
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 2: night was not great. That was a thirty point game

1173
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 2: with just over two minutes remaining, Xavier one on a

1174
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 2: run to make it a nineteen point loss. But what's

1175
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 2: your take right now on that team playing at the

1176
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 2: Centas Center currently?

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01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 16: Boy? Oh boy? Okay. So I've lived in Cincinnati for

1178
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 16: most of my life, I've covered this Xavier program for

1179
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 16: more than twenty years, and from what I've seen through

1180
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 16: three games, it's the worst Xavier team I can remember wow,

1181
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 16: And you know, you can go back and you look

1182
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 16: at numbers and it's you know, like, okay, you're you're

1183
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 16: not making that bold of a statement. And I get

1184
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 16: that they haven't. They I went back and looked they

1185
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 16: haven't had a season with less than ten wins since

1186
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 16: like the early eighties. And you know, I wasn't. I

1187
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 16: was alive, but wasn't watching college basketball at the time.

1188
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 16: So as long as I've been watching college basketball just

1189
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 16: to see where this program is, and I think there

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01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 16: has to be there has to be a little bit

1191
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 16: of a grace period, right with a new coach with

1192
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 16: Sean Miller. But at the same time, it's not like

1193
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 16: Richard Patino got the job super late and couldn't go

1194
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 16: out and find talent. You know, I get it. It's

1195
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 16: one of those things. I had a conversation today with

1196
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 16: someone and it was but both things can be true that, yes,

1197
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 16: Richard Patino got into this, you know, in a situation

1198
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 16: where maybe one hand was tied behind his back. But

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Speaker 16: also it's true that he had time to go out

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01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 16: and find players. So it's trying to figure out is

1201
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 16: it because of the coaching change, or is it because

1202
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 16: in the nil era, Xavier basketball might be in a

1203
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 16: position where it's a bit of an uphill battle going

1204
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 16: against some of these other teams in Power for conferences,

1205
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 16: where where Xavier just doesn't have the same kind of

1206
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 16: playing field that these other teams have. And we're so

1207
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 16: early now in the nil era that that that's something

1208
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 16: that remains to be seen. Because you look at what

1209
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 16: David did last year. They went to the end of

1210
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 16: the Big Tournament a game, so it's not like they

1211
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 16: can't compete in the nil era. But what you're seeing

1212
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 16: now is what I believe is a team that I'm

1213
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 16: not sure can win three or four games in the

1214
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 16: Big East. I'm not sure it can win ten games

1215
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 16: on the season. And then you juxtaposed that and everything

1216
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 16: done here in Cincinnati is juxtaposed against the rival and

1217
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 16: what you see is God and what you see has

1218
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 16: put on the floor so far this year looks like

1219
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 16: a team that should be in the mix for an

1220
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 16: at large bid this year, should be able to come

1221
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 16: to Sintas Center and beat Zava this year in the

1222
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 16: Crosstown Shootout, has a chance tonight to get to three

1223
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 16: and zero with a good win against the Dayton team

1224
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 16: who's also two and zero. So what I saw last

1225
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 16: last night was the worst Davor team that I've seen.

1226
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 16: I can say that confidently. And then you look at

1227
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 16: what it looked like in the final ten minutes that

1228
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 16: the crowd size people had left. It got ugly and

1229
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 16: there's a chance they could get even more ugly as

1230
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 16: the season goes on. You look at their schedule in

1231
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 16: at Iowa on Friday night, that that's not a good

1232
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 16: place for Dabor to be after coming off an embarrassing

1233
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 16: loss against Santa Clara on their home floor.

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01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 2: I do have to ask in rebuttal. After the first

1235
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 2: two wins of the season, we saw Richard Patino take

1236
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: to his social media and give postgame grades great a,

1237
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 2: the anthem, the student section, the uniforms, the offense, the defense,

1238
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 2: the rebounding. We've yet to see that today from coach Patino.

1239
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 2: Do you expect a report card even after losses? Because

1240
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 2: when you open the door, you gotta handle things the

1241
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 2: same way. You can't just give report cards after wins.

1242
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 2: Do you expect a grade sheet from Richard Patino today?

1243
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 16: I think Richard Patino's reading the room a little bit.

1244
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 16: That tweet might not play well today after the way

1245
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 16: his team played last night. Yeah, I don't expect one.

1246
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 16: To your point. Yeah, man, right, you gotta be able

1247
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 16: to go through it in the good times and the

1248
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 16: bad times. But that little spot right there on X

1249
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 16: where you can push the button and you can write

1250
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 16: a reply right in those mentions, I don't think he

1251
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 16: wants to deal with that today. It's very dangerous.

1252
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 3: Have you considered maybe doing something like that for Fox

1253
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 3: nineteen or maybe your appearances on this show?

1254
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 16: Listen, I've said many times, how great would it be?

1255
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 16: How great of a bit would it be if if

1256
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 16: Jeremy and I after like a final quarter did like

1257
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 16: the postgame interview.

1258
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1259
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 16: My read on the Redding game was it was awesome.

1260
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 17: You know.

1261
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 16: I think I referenced Tony Pike two or three times.

1262
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 16: I went back to the augiest joke. I got to

1263
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 16: get some new material. Yeah, it would be amazing. I'm

1264
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 16: afraid of what I would would say in a postgame interview.

1265
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 16: So that's why I don't blame some of the Bengals

1266
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 16: defensive players from walking away from the TV cameras after

1267
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,959
Speaker 16: that performance against the Chicago Bears, because I think about

1268
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 16: some of the stuff I would say about myself after

1269
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 16: shows sometimes. Yeah, I kind of get where athletes are

1270
01:07:59,480 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 16: coming from.

1271
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 2: You guys are back at it this week. What do

1272
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 2: you got coming up with Fox nineteen.

1273
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 16: Let's go Bengals now Newport on the levee tomorrow night,

1274
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 16: six o'clock. We have Jalen Rivers locked in trying to

1275
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 16: get his fellow rookie guard Dylan's Fairchild to come with.

1276
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 16: Still working on Dylan to see if he can make

1277
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 16: it tomorrow night. You guys are going to kick out

1278
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 16: of this. So I'd been working on Joe Flacco and

1279
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 16: trying to get Joe Flaka on the show. And listen, man,

1280
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 16: when you're at a quarterback, you know, life's busy. I

1281
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,600
Speaker 16: know the guy talks about eating alone and you know,

1282
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 16: being lonely here in a city without his family. But

1283
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 16: life's busy, especially when you're trying to play catch up

1284
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 16: on a team you've only been around for a month.

1285
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 16: So I came to him yesterday and you should have

1286
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 16: seen the poor look on the guy's face when he

1287
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 16: realized he had to let me down. He's like, listen, man,

1288
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 16: Like Joe, I get it. It's cool. You don't have

1289
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 16: to do it. You've got things to do. And he's like, yeah,

1290
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 16: I know, I put out the persona I'm the lonely

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Speaker 16: guy and I just need things to do. I'm like,

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Speaker 16: it's cool. Man. The way he left that, he said, listen,

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Speaker 16: if I change my mind, I'll.

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Speaker 2: Let you know.

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Speaker 16: Okay, got it. Deal, I'll put that on my calendar

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01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 16: as a reminder to check you with you in about

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Speaker 16: three weeks.

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Speaker 2: I'll take it. Danaman, you're the best man. Thanks as

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Speaker 2: always for your time, and we'll catch up again next week. Yay, yay,

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Speaker 2: d boy, Joe Danaman, Fox nineteen the best This is

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Speaker 2: since he three sixty hour number two thanks to Sincy shirt.

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Speaker 2: Your talkbacks next on the Home of the Bengals ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:31,560
Speaker 8: Now your chip tuckbacks.

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01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 12: Go and grab your phone and record a message. Just

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01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 12: hit that microphone. Please keep it clean and don't mean

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01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 12: and those sprinkle sprinkle drift, drip drift.

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01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 18: It's that time for tunkbacks.

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Speaker 19: It's stuck favorite party since e three sixty Austin buddy,

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01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 19: play those talk backs on your screen and please drive

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01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 19: out to sabotage it.

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Speaker 2: All right, No sabotaging allowed. It's talkback coming out of

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01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,719
Speaker 2: the bye week here for the Cincinnati Bengals and Cincinnati Bearcats.

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Speaker 2: You'll hear from the head coach of the Bearcat, Scott Saderfield.

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Speaker 2: To kick off the third hour of today's show. We

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Speaker 2: also have Rick Walls from the Reds Museum and Hall

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01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,799
Speaker 2: of Fame is going to join us, along with Mowagar

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Speaker 2: all coming up and our number three but first year talkbacks.

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Speaker 4: Follow up yesterday, and I think I might have missed something.

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01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 15: Did anybody specifically ask Burrow if he thought the offense

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01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 15: was being run differently under Flacco and if he had

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Speaker 15: any thoughts on that.

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01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 2: I don't believe he was asked.

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01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 3: He was asked about Flacco and the offense Basically, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know that he's been asked, like specifically about

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01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 3: the difference, but said he's, you know, enjoyed watching it

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Speaker 3: and learning from Flaco and all that. I also don't

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Speaker 3: think there's a huge difference in how the offense has

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01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 3: been run other than as you mentioned earlier, maybe a

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Speaker 3: little bit more of that under center play action.

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Speaker 9: Tony.

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Speaker 3: It was nice meeting you, your wife and your sister

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01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 3: the other day when I hardfired Bike all of our

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Speaker 3: heartstead break.

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Speaker 17: But then they hired Tony back correcting their mistake.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Query, Darnay Scott, Carl Dickens, he Rose, Peter Barnes.

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Speaker 19: David Klingler, Kevin Case, Vanharnharn.

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Speaker 20: David Cleaner, and Kevin Katesevrn Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I respected Kevin Case for hard reference man.

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Speaker 16: Happy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you you got to meet multi personality Mike. What

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01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 2: was that like?

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01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: It was awesome. My uh, my sister really for the

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01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 2: first time since we had UH my nephew's benefit, UH

1346
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 2: was able to get my mom and dad to watch

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Speaker 2: Roman for a couple hours. We went to UH to

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Speaker 2: Tony's here in UH in Cincinnati, and as I was

1349
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 2: sitting down, a gentleman from a table over gets up

1350
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:55,679
Speaker 2: comes across and introduces himself as multi personality Mike. There

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01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 2: with his family having a birthday dinner. Wow was it

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Speaker 2: his birthday? It was his birthday?

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Speaker 21: Wow?

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Speaker 3: Congratulations time congratulations but happy birthday. Congrats on another year

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Speaker 3: around the sun.

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Speaker 20: Very cool Veterans Day twenty twenty five to all of our.

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Speaker 4: Veterans and current service members. Thank you, it is not enough.

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Speaker 4: We love you all.

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Speaker 2: USA and Melissa, what do you think.

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Speaker 12: God bless America?

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Speaker 2: All right? Melissa, Welcome, Happy Veterans Day.

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Speaker 16: Everybody.

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Speaker 4: Shout out to all our veterans. We appreciate you so much.

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Speaker 20: Boys in the Orange and Blue on them around two,

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Speaker 20: go win.

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Speaker 4: The whole thing.

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01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 20: The city desperately needs a championship. Burrow back in practice,

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Speaker 20: that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 4: I still wouldn't risk him. I wouldn't play him. I

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Speaker 4: know I sound like the gritch.

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Speaker 20: But if he gets hurt again this year and he's

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Speaker 20: out for even longer next year, I don't know they'll

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Speaker 20: be playing for anything either, But I know Joe's a competitor,

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Speaker 20: So take care of everybody and Veterans Day on.

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Speaker 2: I could not imagine if Burrow comes back and gets

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01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 2: hurt with an injury that would put him out some

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Speaker 2: next year. I mean things would.

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Speaker 22: Jeff just wanted to wish everybody a happy Veterans Day,

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Speaker 22: especially those that have served our country. I am a

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Speaker 22: veteran as well, so definitely wants to make sure that

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Speaker 22: we get the word out. Take care of each other,

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Speaker 22: call people, check on them. Very important. As far as

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Speaker 22: the bear Cats go tonight, looking at a five point win,

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Speaker 22: we'll go eighty three seventy eight, Go Cats.

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Speaker 21: All right?

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01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 2: That would not be a cover for the bear Cats

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Speaker 2: at five and.

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Speaker 21: A Half's it going on here? Daria apod dress? When

1389
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 21: I'm leaving a talkbacker calling and I've been busy. Anyway,

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01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 21: how'd you want a vacation? I want to go, But

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01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 21: I went down Florida. That decorat deck I not your

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01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 21: favorite hangout. Oh my god, you went down to the

1393
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Speaker 21: Hall of Fame. Hopefully the wife and kids had.

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Speaker 2: A good time. You got a bunch of yes.

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01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 23: Thank you, Hey, Austin, Hey, Tony branded from Indy. I

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01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 23: hope you guys enjoy my top backs. But anyway, as

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01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 23: far as Lebron James is concerned, I could care less.

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01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 23: I mean, I think it's time for him to retire.

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01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 23: I don't wish nothing bad on him, but I could

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01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,679
Speaker 23: just care less. As far as the Bengals are concerned,

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01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 23: I'm thinking about picking them over the Steelers this week.

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01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 2: I think they might have a shot, believe it or not.

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01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:28,480
Speaker 2: As far as Brian Kelly's.

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01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 23: Concerned, well that's what happens when you sign these big,

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01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 23: huge contracts.

1406
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 2: But I know they're not happy with him, so they

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01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 2: might as well take them for every dime.

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01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 4: Brian.

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01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 24: All little shout out to kid Countingham and the Pistons

1410
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 24: Xavier Battery. Luck next time, I'll tell you the last

1411
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 24: two Bengals losses.

1412
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 4: Just crushing.

1413
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 20: Man.

1414
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 24: Oh bad for my blood press. Like I said, shout

1415
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 24: out to miuncle Claire, Vietnam war veteran, just all around

1416
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 24: great person.

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01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely shot out to Clarence Austin. Let me ask you

1418
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:08,520
Speaker 2: one thing about Kate cutting.

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01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 3: I was okay, I was gonna say, we didn't get

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01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 3: to this at the first se.

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01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,560
Speaker 2: So you look at the box scores, like, man, Kate Cuttingham,

1422
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 2: he had a night last night. He had forty six points. Yeah,

1423
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 2: he shot forty five times forty five field goals. It

1424
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 2: was fourteen of forty five. He played forty five minutes,

1425
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 2: so he got one shot per minute, forty five shot

1426
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 2: attempts to get forty six points. Is that impressive? Not entirely.

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01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 3: I mean they did play an overtime, so that had

1428
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 3: a role. That's forty five shots forty five. It's like

1429
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 3: Kobe shot the ball fifty times to get sixty in

1430
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 3: his final game.

1431
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 2: Yep. But you knew why that was. You knew why, Yeah, exactly,

1432
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 2: there was a reason for that.

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01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 7: I don't know if impressed no as always flex and

1434
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 7: rep in the city and catch studding out here.

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01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 2: Hod's on it? What up, Tony?

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01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 7: No dayton is going down tonight. You guys are going down.

1437
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 7: We're about to beat them. Brings off you boys by

1438
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 7: twenty I'm already predicting it. Santa Claire standard. Wow, Zavier,

1439
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 7: you got dog walk? Don't worry well? You see about

1440
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 7: to do you guys who put that least on you

1441
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 7: walking around Norwood? We'll say how a real dogwalk looks

1442
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 7: you see bout thirty over zerea coming soon, the return

1443
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 7: of jab nine.

1444
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 2: I'm optimistic. Let's go offense. Let's get this win. Oh boy,

1445
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 2: now I'm nervous. That's already starting between you see and Xavier.

1446
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 2: That makes me nervous.

1447
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 25: Hey Austin, Hey Tony Paul from cleaves here.

1448
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 2: I just wanted to give you something.

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01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 25: A veteran who active duty, discharged, retired, or reserved is

1450
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 25: someone who, at one point in his or her life

1451
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 25: wrote a blank check made payable to the United States

1452
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 25: of America for an amount up to and including their life.

1453
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 4: That is an honor.

1454
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 25: There are way too many people in this country who

1455
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 25: no longer understand that fact. I want to say happy veterans,

1456
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,879
Speaker 25: stay to all the present, past and future veterans.

1457
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,600
Speaker 2: Thank you, well said, Yeah, I'm one hundred percent with

1458
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 2: Tony on this.

1459
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 26: To act like or insinuate this team as close to

1460
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 26: winning anything or going to the playoffs this year is

1461
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 26: insane and full hearted. They're about to miss the playoffs

1462
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 26: for the.

1463
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 2: Third year in a row.

1464
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 26: They've only won a playoff game in five seasons out

1465
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 26: of fifty eight seasons. They've never won a super Bowl,

1466
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 26: only nine playoff wins in their entire history. And you

1467
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 26: want to talk about a standard, you know standard here

1468
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 26: and then to think that they're all of a suddenly

1469
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 26: going to get it right is like following a rainbow

1470
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 26: and trying to find a pot of gold. It's ain't

1471
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 26: a sci fi movie.

1472
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 2: I'd try to I'd go for a pot of gold

1473
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 2: Right now.

1474
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 27: I'm going to pull a mic here and say, very

1475
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 27: well done, reasonable, calm, well thought out discussion on the

1476
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 27: future of the Bengals, living up to the promise you

1477
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 27: showed when you were an hour long show at noon

1478
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 27: that we would get that kind of thing that we

1479
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 27: weren't getting from the national shows.

1480
01:17:56,240 --> 01:18:00,600
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. Okay, I appreciate if Mike is

1481
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 2: still mad at me.

1482
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 3: I don't know if he listens to our show, but

1483
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 3: obviously with it being Veterans Day, we think of our

1484
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 3: guy Mike. But yeah, Mike is still mad at me.

1485
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 3: He hasn't called the show in a couple of weeks.

1486
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 3: Just because I gave a little bit of criticism to him.

1487
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 3: He called in and told me to kiss his butt

1488
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 3: and hung up. But I miss you, Mike. I hope

1489
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 3: you're doing okay. You're still welcome to call.

1490
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 26: And also you can get mad and say, you know,

1491
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 26: say I'm negative and say something more, which I'm sure

1492
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:35,560
Speaker 26: you will, but it's the truth and you know it.

1493
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:40,839
Speaker 26: And it's dialogue like that that creates the insanely coopy

1494
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 26: fans we have in the city with unrealistic hopes until

1495
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 26: they get new ownership or new people that aren't confident

1496
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 26: at their job. This is what the fate of the

1497
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,959
Speaker 26: Bengals will be. There is no standard.

1498
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 3: Well, you get to choose what your standard is like.

1499
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 3: There are some people who their standard is very low.

1500
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 3: They will support the Bengals no matter what. They'll put

1501
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 3: on their Bengals jerseys, they'll go to every single game

1502
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 3: and they'll just have fun doing it.

1503
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 2: There are others like you who have it at a

1504
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:16,759
Speaker 2: very very high standard.

1505
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 3: And your standard is people being removed from their job

1506
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 3: or ownership moving on from the team. That's your standard.

1507
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 3: Everybody has a different standard for what they hold their

1508
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 3: team to. I will say this like, I get where

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01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 3: you're coming from, and you have every right to be jaded. However,

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01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 3: I don't think, like I've said multiple times, this team

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01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 3: and the defense specifically doesn't have to go from number

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01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 3: thirty two to number one for them to be good.

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01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 2: But we said that last year. I know, and that's

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01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 2: that's totally fair.

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01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 3: They didn't do enough, and they kind of told us

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01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 3: reading between the lines last year that they thought they

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01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 3: got unlucky. Well, this year you find out it's not

1518
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 3: a lack of luck, it's a lack of talent.

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01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:03,759
Speaker 2: How do you adjust?

1520
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 3: Then it's and again my goal is to go as

1521
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 3: far if I'm the defense, and I don't think it's

1522
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 3: out of the realm of possibility to say, or if

1523
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 3: I'm Duke Tobin, can we go from thirty second to

1524
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 3: twenty second?

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01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 2: It's on defense. It's I think one of the hardest

1526
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 2: things that I think about this job is being a

1527
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 2: die hard, loyal fan of a team and wanting them

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01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:28,719
Speaker 2: to succeed and wanting to believe that, but also trying

1529
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 2: to find the reality that it's been. I think that's

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01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:35,680
Speaker 2: hard to cross sometimes because I'm a huge fan of

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01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 2: the Bengals and and I want them to win a

1532
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, but you also have to to have the

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01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 2: reality of what it's been. I think that's a hard

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01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 2: line at times.

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01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 3: And it's also you know, I have to understand from

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01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 3: our perspective, we can't get up here and shout and

1537
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 3: scream and yell at ownership.

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01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 2: We just can't.

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01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 3: It's not something that we're able to do, and that,

1540
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 3: you know, affects the conversations that we have as well.

1541
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 3: You know, somebody said to me both about life here

1542
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 3: at this company and sports as well, as you can't

1543
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 3: care more than your bosses do, you can't care more

1544
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,799
Speaker 3: than the people above you do. And that can be debated,

1545
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 3: but there are times where as a Bengals fan, it

1546
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 3: feels like the fans care more than the people running

1547
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 3: the team do, including Duke Tobin, and that's a difficult

1548
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 3: reality to deal with. If that's something you agree with,

1549
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 3: I don't know that I necessarily agree with it, but

1550
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:33,719
Speaker 3: that is something that Bengals fans have felt over the years,

1551
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 3: and how you manage that as a fan is difficult,

1552
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 3: Like how do you how do you justify watching or

1553
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 3: listening or tuning into this show or buying a Bengals

1554
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 3: jersey for Christmas? If it feels like you care more

1555
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 3: than they do. That is and again, the Bengals have

1556
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:57,759
Speaker 3: been met with opportunity after opportunity after opportunity to change

1557
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 3: that narrative. At times it feels like they have. At

1558
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 3: times it feels like they haven't. This is another crossroads

1559
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 3: I think for this franchise.

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01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 12: Wonderful news about Joe Burrow. Good for him, kudos man

1561
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 12: for being a quick healer dedicated to his job. But listen, man,

1562
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:21,720
Speaker 12: the Bengals don't need you right now. Joe Flacco has

1563
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:26,759
Speaker 12: been bawling out, the defense sucks, get a couple stops,

1564
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 12: and they've won these games. Sure, dude, don't do something stupid.

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01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:33,679
Speaker 2: Mmm.

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01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 16: It's the Lord Lort.

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01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 26: The Bengals white jerseys, the Bengals black jersey, or the

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01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 26: Bengals orange jerseys.

1569
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 2: I'll start the black. I always like the black look.

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01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 4: I will.

1571
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 2: I'll bench the white I'll cut the orange. I start

1572
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 2: the orange, I benched the white, I cut the black.

1573
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 26: Yeah, I'm on this one to thank or insinuate that

1574
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 26: this team is anywhere close to winning anything in the

1575
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 26: near future, or he.

1576
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 2: Already left that talk back.

1577
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 5: Sorry for the overreaction on the Joe Burrow bomb, but man,

1578
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 5: just don't want this guy aggravating and already aggravating injury.

1579
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 12: Get will soon.

1580
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think there's an abundance of comps

1581
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 2: caution you have to operate with when you have an

1582
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 2: injury like Joe Burrow.

1583
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 17: Happy Veterans Day to all my fellow Ken, especially Mike

1584
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 17: in La Vietnam veteran, and my Wildcats are going to

1585
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 17: stump loser Mill tonight.

1586
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 4: Oh go big Blue.

1587
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 2: Let him know Ken, where y at Louisville? Where yat Louisville.

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01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 28: Hello, this is James from unincorporated at Butler County, Austin.

1589
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:57,640
Speaker 10: I mean, the whole.

1590
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 28: ESPN radio community across the country knows of your attitude.

1591
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 28: You're You're spiteful and mean. You're not very friendly when

1592
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 28: someone asks you how you're doing or what you're doing

1593
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 28: as a means of a greeting. You're short and snippy with.

1594
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 2: Them, so you need to improve that.

1595
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 12: And Mike, Mike's a good man and you shouldn't have

1596
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 12: said that.

1597
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 3: I didn't say anything mean to Mike at all and

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01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 3: said it wasn't Mike's best call. And then he called

1599
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 3: and said, kiss my butt.

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01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 29: Good afternoon, boys, Danny from Dell Hyde. I can't take

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01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 29: credit for this. I've seen it on the old Twitter

1602
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 29: machine a couple of days ago, but I think it's

1603
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 29: probably the hardest Bengals version I've ever seen. Start, bench, cut, Jamar, Chase,

1604
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 29: don't do this, AJ Green, Chad Johns.

1605
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 3: I start Jamar, I bench Chad, I cut AJ I

1606
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:52,560
Speaker 3: do too. And the reason Jamar gets the start is

1607
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 3: that he's the perfect mix of the other two. Yeah,

1608
01:24:55,040 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 3: and Chad at his peak was the best receiver in football.

1609
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 3: I mean four years in a row leading the AFC

1610
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 3: and receiving yards. Best feat ever buy a wide receiver. Yeah,

1611
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:10,600
Speaker 3: Jamar is the best receiver that's ever played for the

1612
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 3: Bengals already thoughts.

1613
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's at my top. Okay, that was our last one.

1614
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 2: I'd start him over anybody. Let's take a break, let's

1615
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 2: come back. It's kind of amazing. This series of life

1616
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:29,600
Speaker 2: that we're in. Can we share the jingle that you

1617
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 2: got today?

1618
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 4: Yes?

1619
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 30: Yeah?

1620
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 2: Can we use that as our football in the Nattie?

1621
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 2: We sure can.

1622
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 3: Austin was was sent a jingle woman by the name

1623
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:43,639
Speaker 3: of Sammy Riggs. Sammy, who is a singer songwriter, put

1624
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 3: together a Bengals parody song and she emailed it to

1625
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 3: me this morning and it's lovely. Shout out to Sammy,

1626
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 3: So we're gonna play it next.

1627
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 2: We'll play that next on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports

1628
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 2: Station thanks to CINTI shirts.

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01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 31: Jamar Chase plays here ONPN fifteen thirty, the official home

1630
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 31: of the Cincinnati Bank.

1631
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 1: Batty brought you in part by bud Light and by

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01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:11,600
Speaker 1: Oakley Greens on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of

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01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:13,480
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals.

1634
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 2: Football in the Natties. Shout out to bud Light. Shout

1635
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 2: out to Oakley Greens as well. We thank them for

1636
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 2: everything that they do here for us. Listeners are such

1637
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 2: a big part of this show, Austin. At anytime we

1638
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 2: can get a listener or someone that goes out of

1639
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 2: their way to create something and then ask us to

1640
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 2: share it. Most times we oblige can we get to

1641
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 2: the parody song we can. This is from Sammy Riggs

1642
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 2: and you can. It's spelled sam I Riggs Riggs and

1643
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 2: she's on Facebook and she makes these parody accounts.

1644
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 3: I'm sure she's on other social medias as well. But

1645
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 3: she sent this to me yesterday. And this is about

1646
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, oh, returning to practice for the Bengals.

1647
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 19: He walked in through the revolving door love and none

1648
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 19: in is you of fun?

1649
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 2: Oh? Oh, where'd it go?

1650
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 8: You didn't believe in me?

1651
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 16: Calls now to you?

1652
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:28,919
Speaker 1: If his rows fixed, then a convinced a healing crystal

1653
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 1: commn to the events.

1654
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 2: But Thanksgiving we could say.

1655
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 8: Who take too you.

1656
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 29: Ooday woo woo.

1657
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 2: Hi Sammy Ooo wow.

1658
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 3: I mean that's in the incredible stuff right there. Well,

1659
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 3: we'll play it again. But she she wrote the line

1660
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 3: there about the crystals. Now, Joe Burrow said he he

1661
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 3: doesn't know if the crystals helped them, but you never

1662
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 3: really know. It can't hurt, and he of course posted

1663
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 3: pictures of his crystals on his Instagram story. How funny

1664
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 3: would it be if Bengals players report to practice today,

1665
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:28,839
Speaker 3: or they report to the locker room today, or tomorrow

1666
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 3: and in each defensive player's lockers Crystal courtesy of Joe Burrow. Hey,

1667
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 3: maybe you guys can turn this around one more time.

1668
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,720
Speaker 3: Sammy Riggs, he walked.

1669
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:47,640
Speaker 16: Into the Loving Doo Love.

1670
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 10: Is you fun?

1671
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 27: You didn't believe recals Now to you.

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01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 1: It is Joey fast unvince a healing crystal command events.

1673
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 12: By Thanksgiving, we could say they.

1674
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 2: Too you come on bye Thanksgiving? We could say who

1675
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 2: day to you?

1676
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 3: So well done, Sammy, incredible and listen, I'm not opposed

1677
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 3: to perhaps prayer being a part of the Bengals turnaround.

1678
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 2: Prayer, crystals, divine intervention. I've opened all of it. Listen,

1679
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 2: We're in this together. Every if, if if the Bengals win,

1680
01:29:57,800 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 2: we all win. Bengals eat, we all.

1681
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:00,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1682
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 2: So if it's crystals, if it's divine intervention, if it's

1683
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:12,799
Speaker 2: a sweet melody, whatever works, we're involved. We're in for Sammy.

1684
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. Seeing that was well done. Yes,

1685
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 2: that was awesome. Are we taking one more break? We

1686
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 2: are one more break. We'll get to our to tell

1687
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 2: you a little bit more information about Sunday and then

1688
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 2: Scott Saderfield to join us, or he won't going. He's

1689
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 2: not going to join us, So I can call him

1690
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 2: see if he might say, if he answers, but uh,

1691
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:33,679
Speaker 2: we'll play Scott Saderfield's weekly press conference, old calling coaching

1692
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 2: our number three on ESPN fifteenino. What's he doing today?

1693
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 2: Snatty sports, He's not tweeting.

1694
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:46,599
Speaker 1: You've been listening to football in the Nattie On ESPN

1695
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Speaker 2: Here we go one final hour on this Tuesday afternoon,

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01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 2: sincey three sixty thanks to Penn Station. It is the

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01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 2: return of the Cincinnati Bearcats as well this week, coming

1705
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:36,680
Speaker 2: off a buy of their own, and the Bearcats will

1706
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 2: play host to the Arizona Wildcats at Nippert Stadium. That

1707
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:45,680
Speaker 2: game kicks off at noon on Saturday. You see right

1708
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:48,280
Speaker 2: now listed as a six and a half point favorite,

1709
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 2: of course, if you see can take care of business,

1710
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 2: if BYU can take care of business on Saturday night,

1711
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:59,640
Speaker 2: those two bookend the Big twelve schedule. You see, Arizona

1712
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:03,599
Speaker 2: is a a noon kickoff and BYUTCU is a ten

1713
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 2: to fifteen kickoff. If both of those teams win next

1714
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 2: week would create a winner, move on scenario with a

1715
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 2: chance to control your destiny to play in a Big

1716
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 2: twelve championship game, presumably against Texas Tech. Going into the

1717
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 2: bye u se had their worst performance of the year

1718
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:27,719
Speaker 2: in a loss at Utah where all things seemingly fell apart.

1719
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 2: They were banged up, they could not get off the

1720
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 2: field defensively, offense, turned the ball over multiple times. Special

1721
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 2: teams wasn't great. It was their worst performance as a whole.

1722
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 2: The big question now, can this team rebound and get

1723
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 2: back to who they were because last year Melagger's alluded

1724
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 2: to this as well five and two and things fell

1725
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 2: apart down the stretch. Does one loss send this into

1726
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 2: a spiral or does the bye week allow this team

1727
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 2: to get their confidence back and put their best foot

1728
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 2: forward against Arizona on Saturday. Here's what Scott Saderfield had

1729
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 2: to say, just a bit a go.

1730
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:03,679
Speaker 4: A week.

1731
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 32: It was come at a great time for us after

1732
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 32: six straight weeks of conference.

1733
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 4: Games, and I thought we had a great by week.

1734
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:12,720
Speaker 32: I mean, the big thing about last week was, you know,

1735
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 32: really a reset for us and recover mentally and physically,

1736
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 32: and I thought our guys did that.

1737
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:21,839
Speaker 4: We you know, we cut back on practice last week.

1738
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,720
Speaker 32: And allowed them some time to heal up and then

1739
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 32: and also at the same time worked on some a

1740
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 32: lot of young guys and let them play.

1741
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 4: And I thought we had a great time with that.

1742
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 4: That was fun.

1743
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 32: And so it's a good week, all the while knowing

1744
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 32: that we had Arizona coming up and and then obviously

1745
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:39,320
Speaker 32: breaking them down, then had an opportunity to watch them

1746
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 32: play Saturday and and get ready for this team, a

1747
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 32: really good football team. Coach Brent has done a great

1748
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 32: job there this year. I think obviously a couple of

1749
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 32: things stand out by them. But I think, first off, defensively,

1750
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 32: new defensive coordinator this year, and they've done it. They've

1751
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:58,679
Speaker 32: done an outstanding job, you know, mixing up fronts of coverages.

1752
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 32: The guys are playing hole hard, they're playing physical, creating

1753
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 32: a lot of turnovers.

1754
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 4: You know, I think when I first front turned on

1755
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:06,840
Speaker 4: the film.

1756
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:08,599
Speaker 32: That was probably one thing that stood out and everybody

1757
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 32: talks about for feed And he's a great quarterback, has

1758
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 32: done it. I think he started thirty one game, so

1759
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 32: he's done it for a long period of time. And

1760
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:19,600
Speaker 32: incredible player. Puts pressure on the defense. You know, some

1761
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 32: really good wide outs, good running.

1762
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:21,679
Speaker 4: Game as well.

1763
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 32: I think maybe the running game gets overshadowed by by

1764
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 32: the passing game. But I mean they finished the game

1765
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 32: off against Kansas by running the football in the last drive.

1766
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 4: So a really good football team.

1767
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 32: We're excited about, you know, the opportunity that you're sitting

1768
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 32: here playing in the middle of November, you know, tied

1769
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 32: for first place in the Big Twelve, and and so

1770
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:42,599
Speaker 32: we're excited about that opportunity because all our goals are

1771
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 32: still sitting in front of us. You know, obviously, got

1772
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 32: to have a great week of practice this week, and

1773
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 32: our preparation will determine how we go out and play

1774
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:52,080
Speaker 32: on Saturday. Yeah, I mean, I think it's more than

1775
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 32: just Brendan. I mean, I think it's everybody on our offense,

1776
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 32: you know, I mean it starts with the coaches. We gotta,

1777
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,560
Speaker 32: we gotta, you know, put our players in positions so

1778
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 32: they can go make plays. You know, we have to

1779
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 32: do a good job of staying on the on the

1780
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 32: sticks and you know, not getting off off schedule, and

1781
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 32: that's that's a big piece of it, you know. And

1782
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 32: then ultimately, guys, you have to block good up front,

1783
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 32: we have to make you have to run good routes

1784
01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 32: and throw and catch. I mean, so to me, it's

1785
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:18,640
Speaker 32: it's everybody has to go out and execute at a

1786
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:20,599
Speaker 32: high level. And you know, when you're playing really good

1787
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:24,320
Speaker 32: defenses like Arizona's, you have to execute. If one or

1788
01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 32: two guys are not executing, then you're gonna have a

1789
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 32: much more difficult time moving to football. And I think

1790
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 32: we've seen that from Arizona over this season. I mean

1791
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 32: that they've they've done some great things on defense and

1792
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 32: shut down a lot of good offenses. Well, I mean,

1793
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 32: you know, obviously, I think Sawyer was six five and

1794
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:43,599
Speaker 32: Noah's you know, shorter, guy's under six foot and Noah's

1795
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 32: got a lot more ability to move with his feet.

1796
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 32: I mean, he does a great job of buying time

1797
01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 32: in the pocket scrambling. You know, he's a scramble to

1798
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 32: throw guy. Also can run.

1799
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 2: I mean again that last drive last week.

1800
01:35:57,800 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 32: I think I think you hit two Q draws in

1801
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:03,400
Speaker 32: that drive over ten yards apiece to go down and score.

1802
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 4: So he's a much more dynamic run runner.

1803
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 32: But that that can throw, I mean, I think, you know,

1804
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:11,959
Speaker 32: I think he ended up tyeing for the most touchdowns

1805
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:14,880
Speaker 32: in Arizona football history. So I mean obviously speaks volumes

1806
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:17,880
Speaker 32: about how how good a player he is. They sit

1807
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 32: they really, I mean, I know people say this, but

1808
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:22,000
Speaker 32: they easily could see it be here at eight to

1809
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:24,400
Speaker 32: one right now. I mean they're up ten against BYU

1810
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 32: with four minutes to go in the game, and had

1811
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:30,040
Speaker 32: that game won quite honestly, as I mean, not obviously

1812
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:31,599
Speaker 32: by you did a great job of pulling it out,

1813
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:35,400
Speaker 32: but if one little thing goes up, Arizona's winning that game.

1814
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 32: And then also I thought they played great against Houston.

1815
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 32: You know, Houston ends up, you know, kicking a last

1816
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 32: second field goal to beat him, you know, So you

1817
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 32: can't get any tighter or closer than that to sit

1818
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 32: there being eight and one right now.

1819
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:48,720
Speaker 4: The only game that they really wasn't in was the.

1820
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:50,799
Speaker 32: Iowa State game, you know, and that was an incredible

1821
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 32: crowd at Iowa State white out I mean it was

1822
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 32: an unbelievable atmosphere for Iowa State.

1823
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think they are underrated at six and three.

1824
01:36:59,120 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 4: I mean I got here, I got it.

1825
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 32: Outstanding football team they got they have team speed, they

1826
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 32: can run, they're physical, they have good plans in all

1827
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 32: three phases. You know, so that's the recipe for success. Yeah,

1828
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 32: I mean I think that's obviously a big part of

1829
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 32: their success is creating the turnovers. And they've taken care

1830
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 32: of the football too on the offensive side, so that

1831
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 32: turnover margin, which obviously we all know is a huge

1832
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 32: stat I think that's why they've had a lot of

1833
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:25,800
Speaker 32: success this year. They just do a good job of

1834
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 32: their coaches of putting their guys in position to make plays.

1835
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:31,120
Speaker 32: They you know, they do a lot of things on defense.

1836
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:35,520
Speaker 32: You know, a lot of different pressures. You know, linebackers

1837
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,000
Speaker 32: are walking up, you know, off the edge, blitzing. They're

1838
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:40,679
Speaker 32: not scared of you know, blitz a safety or a corner.

1839
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:42,120
Speaker 32: I mean they're gonna they're gonna give you a lot

1840
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 32: of different looks to try to confuse the offense. You know,

1841
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:48,599
Speaker 32: they got some good tacklers. I mean, forty three's are

1842
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:50,679
Speaker 32: safety a leading tackler. I mean, he's a really good player.

1843
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:53,760
Speaker 32: Number four are middle linebackers and another really good one.

1844
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:55,879
Speaker 32: They have some good d linemen that are quick twitched

1845
01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:59,200
Speaker 32: that can cause problems when they're one on one blocking,

1846
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:01,800
Speaker 32: you know. And I think they give you a lot

1847
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:03,599
Speaker 32: of different looks. I think you guys mentioned they play man,

1848
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:05,400
Speaker 32: but they do a lot of things back in the

1849
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:07,680
Speaker 32: back end. They'll you know, they'll play quarters, they'll play man,

1850
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:10,719
Speaker 32: they'll played three, They'll they'll jump in some different looks

1851
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:12,599
Speaker 32: to try to confuse the quarterback. And I think that's

1852
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:16,280
Speaker 32: where quarterbacks have gotten in trouble, you know, throwing into coverage.

1853
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:20,839
Speaker 2: Dad on Evan Tawee, Yeah, I mean they're.

1854
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 32: All improving, getting better, you know. Taywee's I think he's

1855
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:28,200
Speaker 32: back to normal now. You know, Evan's making great improvement,

1856
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:31,120
Speaker 32: you know, and and you know, we'll see where we're

1857
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 32: at a by the end of the week.

1858
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 4: But I'm making great improvement.

1859
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 3: How important is that run game for you that they're

1860
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:41,640
Speaker 3: sticky in past defense, how important will it be to

1861
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 3: settle in the run game and get them moving?

1862
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:45,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I mean I.

1863
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:48,639
Speaker 32: Think this year, we you know, we've been very efficient

1864
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 32: in the run game, and you know, one of the better,

1865
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 32: more sufficient teams in the country running the football.

1866
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 4: We have to be able to run the football, and

1867
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:56,679
Speaker 4: that comes in a lot of different ways.

1868
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 32: I mean, you know, it's it's running at the right time,

1869
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 32: it's you know, obviously, you know, running a quarterback when

1870
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:04,320
Speaker 32: we need to run a quarterback, but also you know,

1871
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:06,479
Speaker 32: of trying to create some space where our backs can

1872
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 32: have more room to make people miss. And I think

1873
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 32: we have to have to be able to mix all

1874
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:14,639
Speaker 32: that in. We have to be able to run the football,

1875
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:16,519
Speaker 32: control the clock a little bit. Obviously, you'd love to,

1876
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:19,519
Speaker 32: you know, if we could somehow, you know, have the

1877
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 32: ball a little bit more than we've had it in

1878
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 32: some of these games and run some more offensive plays,

1879
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:25,880
Speaker 32: that would be awesome. But I think for us, it's

1880
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 32: just really comes down to execution up front and starts

1881
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:31,000
Speaker 32: with our offensive line. They've had a really good year,

1882
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:32,679
Speaker 32: but this will be another great challenge for the guys

1883
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:33,120
Speaker 32: up front.

1884
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:37,640
Speaker 31: Brendan's only been sacked twice. I think that Noah has

1885
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 31: been sacked several times. I think they got him five

1886
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:43,320
Speaker 31: times in the last game. Do you think you can

1887
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 31: get to him or is that when he's dangerous when

1888
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:46,519
Speaker 31: he's running out of the pocket.

1889
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:48,800
Speaker 32: Yeah, I mean, you'd love to be able to get

1890
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:50,720
Speaker 32: some pressure on him, to be able to get him.

1891
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:53,240
Speaker 32: You know, I think Kansas did a great job last week,

1892
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:55,719
Speaker 32: you know, looking at that film of getting to the quarterback.

1893
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:58,360
Speaker 32: Did you mentioned they sacked them five times and they

1894
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 32: were back there some more times as well. But he

1895
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 32: is slippery. He does a great job of moving around,

1896
01:40:03,479 --> 01:40:05,160
Speaker 32: Like you mentioned, if you do flush him out, well,

1897
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:07,719
Speaker 32: now he's on a perimeter, he's looking down the field

1898
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:09,479
Speaker 32: and if you lose some cover somewhere, he's gonna make

1899
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 32: you pay. So he's a tough guy to cover to defend.

1900
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:16,080
Speaker 32: So we gotta do a good job again of mixing

1901
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:18,600
Speaker 32: it up, not playing the same defense out there, some

1902
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:19,960
Speaker 32: of the same things we talked about.

1903
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 4: Try to get him off schedule.

1904
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:24,840
Speaker 32: Yeah, you know, I think that's the biggest thing for us,

1905
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 32: and you know, and the guys up front.

1906
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:28,240
Speaker 4: You'd have a great game.

1907
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 31: Goldie went out of the last game. See Okay, Yeah,

1908
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 31: he's good. He had you know, a great week last week.

1909
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:37,400
Speaker 33: Obviously it's been a while since the Utah game. But

1910
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 33: after being able to break down that film, a lot

1911
01:40:40,439 --> 01:40:42,879
Speaker 33: of some people might be saying, like, is the blueprint

1912
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 33: out on the Cincinnati offense? Is there anything you would

1913
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:48,559
Speaker 33: have done differently or was that just really well schemed

1914
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:49,840
Speaker 33: up by by their defense.

1915
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:52,559
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think, you know, there's a lot of things

1916
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 4: involved with that.

1917
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 32: You know, where we played, when we played how they play,

1918
01:40:57,320 --> 01:40:58,680
Speaker 32: I mean, it was a lot, you know. I think

1919
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:02,439
Speaker 32: they're a good football team. Their their scheme was really good.

1920
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 32: We didn't exploit it. Obviously, there are some things we

1921
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:06,800
Speaker 32: would do different I think if we if we played

1922
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:10,200
Speaker 32: them again, you know, obviously you got to execute better

1923
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:12,720
Speaker 32: as well. We didn't execute great, I don't think in

1924
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 32: that game, but a lot of they had a lot

1925
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:16,519
Speaker 32: to do with it, I mean, with what they were

1926
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:19,840
Speaker 32: trying to do to us, you know. But and they

1927
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:21,800
Speaker 32: got good players, man, I mean, you know, so you

1928
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:23,519
Speaker 32: put all that together and I think that's what ended

1929
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:25,759
Speaker 32: up happening. I mean, I think offense, we moved the football,

1930
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 32: we had, you know, four hundred and some yards, and

1931
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:30,439
Speaker 32: we didn't score enough points, you know, with the way

1932
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:32,559
Speaker 32: the game went, you know, and obviously it's a team game,

1933
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:33,840
Speaker 32: so you got to play good on both sides of

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Speaker 32: the ball. When you're playing a team like that. But yeah,

1935
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Speaker 32: obviously we do some do things a lot different. But

1936
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Speaker 32: I also think you're gonna you're gonna do what you do, like, like,

1937
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Speaker 32: whatever your your scheme is, like, you're gonna try to

1938
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Speaker 32: do that at a high level.

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Speaker 21: You know.

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Speaker 32: I don't think you're necessarily gonna try to do something

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Speaker 32: somebody else did, and you may maybe lean a little

1942
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Speaker 32: bit more toward maybe that, but.

1943
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Speaker 4: You're gonna do what you do.

1944
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Speaker 31: I think whoever you're playing, Cyrus is second in the

1945
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 31: nation in touchdown catches, so obviously the receivers are a

1946
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:04,840
Speaker 31: lot better. Back to Joe, do you see are people

1947
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Speaker 31: just doing things completely different or is it just the

1948
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:11,080
Speaker 31: receivers are better than last year so he's not necessarily

1949
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Speaker 31: the top target or is it combination of the thing.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit of both of that.

1951
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Speaker 32: There's been times this year where we've tried to, you know,

1952
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:19,920
Speaker 32: call Joe's number and you look into there's two dudes

1953
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Speaker 32: on him.

1954
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Speaker 4: You know, it's hard to get the ball to him.

1955
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Speaker 32: I think the other side of that is, like you mentioned,

1956
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Speaker 32: I mean, we do have some guys on the outside

1957
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:27,960
Speaker 32: that we feel like can win, and they have made

1958
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,880
Speaker 32: good plays for us this year and spreading the ball

1959
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Speaker 32: out if you look, if you look at our you know,

1960
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 32: distribution of the balls to the.

1961
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Speaker 4: To the wide house. I mean it's pretty even.

1962
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Speaker 32: I mean, you know, and then you get you put

1963
01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:40,840
Speaker 32: Joe in there, you put some running backs in there,

1964
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:43,160
Speaker 32: and you obviously want to run the football. So I

1965
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:45,360
Speaker 32: feel like our balance as far as that has been

1966
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:47,559
Speaker 32: really good this year because you don't, you know, you're

1967
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 32: not necessarily can just to try to defend one guy.

1968
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Speaker 4: You try to find this one guy, then we're gonna

1969
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:52,599
Speaker 4: beat you with some other guys.

1970
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Speaker 32: And I think that's probably the product is why he

1971
01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:56,479
Speaker 32: didn't have as much production.

1972
01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:59,599
Speaker 2: All Right. That is some of Scott's sadderfield from earlier

1973
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:04,760
Speaker 2: this afternoon down in Clifton talking about Arizona, talking about

1974
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 2: the team getting healthy as an important role for this team,

1975
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 2: but not to overlook this is an Arizona team that

1976
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:13,439
Speaker 2: is close and has been close in a couple of

1977
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:15,679
Speaker 2: their losses in the Big Twelve this year, as Scott

1978
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:19,200
Speaker 2: Satafel alluded to a road loss at Iowa State six

1979
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 2: point loss late in which they led against BYU, and

1980
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:25,439
Speaker 2: then a three point loss on the road at Houston.

1981
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:28,960
Speaker 2: Of course, that BYU loss in overtime. So it's an

1982
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:32,320
Speaker 2: Arizona team that has some good wins in the Big

1983
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:38,680
Speaker 2: twelve Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma State, Kansas State. All wins for

1984
01:43:39,160 --> 01:43:42,000
Speaker 2: Arizona this season. It's going to be a good test

1985
01:43:42,040 --> 01:43:45,240
Speaker 2: for the Cincinnati Bearcats. Let's stick with the collegiate theme.

1986
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 2: Let's talk some college hoops when we come back. We'll

1987
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 2: recap the Muskies loss last night. You'll hear a little

1988
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:53,040
Speaker 2: bit of Rick Patino and look ahead to a big

1989
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 2: night on the hardwood tonight, UK Louisville, UC, Dayton and Moore. Next.

1990
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Speaker 2: ESBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 16: Now your chance to win one thousand dollars.

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1993
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Speaker 22: of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back since three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports

1995
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Speaker 2: Station thanks to Penn Station. By the way, Penn Station

1996
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Speaker 2: is an official partner of the Cincinnati Bengals. They are

1997
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Speaker 2: the official hometown sub of the Bengals. And how about

1998
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Speaker 2: this promotion On Tuesdays, They're calling them who Day Tuesdays

1999
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Speaker 2: Penn Station's way of celebrating the fandom and Bengals win.

2000
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2001
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Speaker 2: score a free sub by purchasing another sub using the

2002
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Speaker 2: promo code who Day twenty four shout out to our

2003
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Speaker 2: friends at Penn Station. We certainly appreciate them. So like

2004
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Speaker 2: someone's getting tackled.

2005
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Speaker 3: I uh, I just look, that was my last night

2006
01:45:03,120 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 3: I had of my skis there.

2007
01:45:04,920 --> 01:45:08,679
Speaker 2: College basketball, it did not go well for the Xavier

2008
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:12,040
Speaker 2: Musketeers last night at home against Santa Clara. They trailed

2009
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:15,439
Speaker 2: at the half thirty nine to twenty. That nineteen point

2010
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 2: difference stayed throughout the second half, although with about two

2011
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:22,160
Speaker 2: minutes remaining, Xavier actually trailed in that one by thirty

2012
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:24,559
Speaker 2: points before going on a little bit of a run

2013
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Speaker 2: to finish the game. They were outplayed in every statistical category,

2014
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 2: obviously points. They were out rebounded last night. Santa Clara

2015
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:39,160
Speaker 2: had more assist they had more steals, they had more blocks,

2016
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:42,680
Speaker 2: they had less turnovers. Santa Clara shot at fifty four

2017
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:45,479
Speaker 2: percent on the field. Xavier shot at thirty four percent.

2018
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Speaker 2: They were five for eighteen from three to twenty five

2019
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:53,120
Speaker 2: of thirty four from the foul line. It was bad

2020
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:55,760
Speaker 2: on all accounts last night for the Muskies. And I

2021
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:58,559
Speaker 2: don't want to take away anything from Santa Clara because

2022
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:04,040
Speaker 2: from what I've gathered, that's a Santa Clara team in

2023
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:07,160
Speaker 2: in the Western confer or the uh the w c

2024
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:10,320
Speaker 2: C with Kenzaga and Saint Mary's that I think can

2025
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:15,880
Speaker 2: win some games. All that being said, at home as

2026
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:19,599
Speaker 2: a four and a half point favorite, Xavier was bludgeoned

2027
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:23,400
Speaker 2: last night. Here's what Richard Patino had to say after

2028
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:25,000
Speaker 2: last night's nineteen point loss.

2029
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Speaker 30: Well, not a lot, not a lot of good obviously,

2030
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 30: you know, disappointed in my self that you know, we're

2031
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:34,519
Speaker 30: putting that on the floor.

2032
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:36,280
Speaker 18: Our fans certainly deserve better.

2033
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:40,479
Speaker 30: And I got to look myself in the mirror and realize, like, uh,

2034
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:42,720
Speaker 30: we've got a long way to go, and you know,

2035
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:46,280
Speaker 30: just told the team and we certainly understand that. I

2036
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:48,880
Speaker 30: don't think this is an arrogant group by any means.

2037
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:52,960
Speaker 30: I don't think we needed to be humbled, but I

2038
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:55,280
Speaker 30: think we realize how hard it's gonna be. We knew

2039
01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 30: Santa Clara is gonna be a good team. I've obviously

2040
01:46:58,160 --> 01:46:59,920
Speaker 30: got a lot of respect for coach Sendek in the

2041
01:47:00,120 --> 01:47:04,320
Speaker 30: program and the consistency that he's built that program, you know,

2042
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:07,920
Speaker 30: So there's nothing really to it besides like, we got

2043
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 30: to get back to work tomorrow. So very appreciative of

2044
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:15,400
Speaker 30: the fans, you know, I certainly never want to see

2045
01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:18,240
Speaker 30: them leave like that. They deserve better, and we've got

2046
01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:21,640
Speaker 30: to be collectively, coaches, players, everybody. We got to be

2047
01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:23,960
Speaker 30: better because our fan base certainly deserves better than that.

2048
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:28,360
Speaker 34: Coach Malik leads to your team in scoring over the

2049
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:31,519
Speaker 34: first two games tonight, doesn't attempt a shot in twenty

2050
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:34,760
Speaker 34: plus minutes. Was that just something Santa Clarita defensively and

2051
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:36,000
Speaker 34: how can you free him up some more?

2052
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:38,719
Speaker 30: Yeah, I mean, nobody was very good tonight. Obviously, Roddy

2053
01:47:38,840 --> 01:47:42,559
Speaker 30: was terrific in the second half. So you know, it's

2054
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:46,040
Speaker 30: all connected. It's not just Malik's fault. It's it's screening

2055
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:48,759
Speaker 30: to get him open. It's you know, they were picking

2056
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 30: us up full court, they were denying Roddy realized that

2057
01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:55,000
Speaker 30: in the second half obviously, going around guys and getting

2058
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 30: to the rim and making plays.

2059
01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:59,720
Speaker 18: So it wasn't just Malik. I mean, Jovan obviously was

2060
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:01,360
Speaker 18: over seven. All was old for six.

2061
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:03,400
Speaker 2: So as I said.

2062
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Speaker 30: Before, like I get, I get to help them a

2063
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 30: little bit more and certainly won't get a lot of

2064
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 30: sleep tonight and try to figure it out and get

2065
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:13,040
Speaker 30: off the mat tomorrow.

2066
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Speaker 5: When you see the points in the paint number fifty

2067
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:19,719
Speaker 5: two to twenty two, what what went wrong the most

2068
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:20,960
Speaker 5: in terms of that number?

2069
01:48:21,080 --> 01:48:25,439
Speaker 18: I mean everything went wrong. Everything went wrong. There was

2070
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 18: nothing right.

2071
01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:30,560
Speaker 2: You know, we just we we just got it.

2072
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:32,719
Speaker 30: We got to get back to work in every phase

2073
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:37,519
Speaker 30: of it. You know, it wasn't one thing Santa Clara. Again,

2074
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:40,080
Speaker 30: they're a good team, but we just kind of let

2075
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:43,439
Speaker 30: them do whatever we wanted, you know. So we're gonna

2076
01:48:43,439 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 30: have to do this thing the old fashioned way, and

2077
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:48,519
Speaker 30: you know, the only way to do it is not

2078
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:51,639
Speaker 30: necessarily to talk about it, but just to pour our blood,

2079
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:53,639
Speaker 30: sweat and the tears on the bas on the practice

2080
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:54,519
Speaker 30: court as best we can.

2081
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:57,559
Speaker 5: We got to see mir for the first time tonight.

2082
01:48:58,120 --> 01:49:00,559
Speaker 5: How long has he been back practicing with you guys

2083
01:49:00,640 --> 01:49:02,800
Speaker 5: prior to tonight? And how do you kind of see

2084
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:04,360
Speaker 5: him fitting in here over the guy?

2085
01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:06,560
Speaker 30: I mean, he was he was back for he was

2086
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:08,880
Speaker 30: doing a little bit of non contact stuff. He went

2087
01:49:10,160 --> 01:49:13,840
Speaker 30: full kind of go the last two practices obviously a

2088
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:16,280
Speaker 30: tough spot to put him in, but what he does

2089
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:18,720
Speaker 30: have is he's got athleticism, he's got the ability to

2090
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 30: go by guys. That's where you saw Roddy in the

2091
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:24,719
Speaker 30: second half getting in the lane, and I think mirror

2092
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:27,360
Speaker 30: when he you know, he's missed a couple of months.

2093
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:30,599
Speaker 18: But I think the more he gets his feet under

2094
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:31,880
Speaker 18: him and practice, the better he'll be.

2095
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:35,040
Speaker 34: Santa Clara threw the first punch right out of the gate,

2096
01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:37,040
Speaker 34: and that's kind of the third straight game. You're behind

2097
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:39,559
Speaker 34: the eight ball early. How do you get this team

2098
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:41,720
Speaker 34: to respond from the jumper? Is that just part of

2099
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:43,760
Speaker 34: like you mentioned earlier, fixed it?

2100
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Speaker 21: Yeah.

2101
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Speaker 18: I mean that was certainly different than the the other two.

2102
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Speaker 30: You know, that was they were throwing haymakers for forty

2103
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:56,080
Speaker 30: minutes and we weren't responding, so that that wasn't necessarily

2104
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:57,320
Speaker 30: a first four minutes thing.

2105
01:49:57,360 --> 01:49:59,280
Speaker 18: And again I think it's our.

2106
01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:02,600
Speaker 30: Guys are gonna really lives, Coaches, players, everybody collectively in

2107
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:06,400
Speaker 30: our group is going to realize, you know, we got

2108
01:50:06,520 --> 01:50:08,800
Speaker 30: to fight. You know, there were loose balls that we

2109
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:12,519
Speaker 30: weren't getting, there was rebounds who weren't getting, and then

2110
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Speaker 30: it just compounds you know, and when you play at

2111
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Speaker 30: this place and you play in front of this crowd,

2112
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:19,680
Speaker 30: like teams are going to be ready for you.

2113
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Speaker 18: And you know, our guys certainly didn't respond the right

2114
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Speaker 18: way throughout the course of the game.

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Speaker 26: All right.

2116
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Speaker 2: That's Richard Patino after last night's nineteen point loss to

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Speaker 2: Santa Clara. The Muskies have to rebound quick. They are

2118
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Speaker 2: on the road at Iowa on Friday night. As mentioned

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Speaker 2: earlier today, UK at Louisville is a big one at

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Speaker 2: eight o'clock tonight, and of course the Dayton Flyers come

2121
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Speaker 2: into fifth Third Arena that is a seven o'clock start.

2122
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Speaker 2: We'll have more on both of those games and reactions

2123
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Speaker 2: to those games on tomorrow's edition of sincey three sixty.

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Speaker 2: For now we shift gears. We bring in another guest

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Speaker 2: when we come back. Rick Wall, the executive director of

2126
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Speaker 2: the Red's Hall of Fame and Museum, will join us

2127
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Speaker 2: to talk the open ballot for eight Cincinnati Reds, Two

2128
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Speaker 2: of them hope to advance into the Reds Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that and more with Rick next on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 9: E's Taylor Versus Tumlin in the Steel City. The Bengals

2132
01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:28,840
Speaker 9: look to toss the Steelers into the recycling bin. There's

2133
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:31,840
Speaker 9: a lot I can say about Pittsburgh, but none of

2134
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:35,040
Speaker 9: it can be selling the radio. The Bengals slug it

2135
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:38,800
Speaker 9: out with the Steelers. Sunday coverage begins at nine am,

2136
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:42,519
Speaker 9: stream for free on the new and improved iHeartRadio app

2137
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:48,240
Speaker 9: or ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. It is since e three sixty on ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Roller along our number three

2140
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Speaker 2: Moeger and with kids and just a bit. But first,

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Speaker 2: uh we uh we we mentioned this last week when

2142
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Speaker 2: it came out the uh the Cincinnati Reds Hall of

2143
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Speaker 2: Fame ballots are out. Homer Bailey, Francisco Cordera, Zach Cozart,

2144
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Speaker 2: Aaron Harang, Mike Leak, Brandon Phillip, Scott, Rowland, and Edison Valcez.

2145
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Speaker 2: And uh there's just so much going on with this,

2146
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Speaker 2: and the Reds have always done such a great job

2147
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Speaker 2: with the Hall of Fame. They do a great job

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Speaker 2: with the museum. So we thought what better way to

2149
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:32,040
Speaker 2: pair the two than today by talking with the executive

2150
01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:34,360
Speaker 2: director of the Reds Hall of Fame in museum, Rick

2151
01:52:34,439 --> 01:52:37,320
Speaker 2: Walls with everything going on, Red's related, Rick, how are you?

2152
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:39,840
Speaker 16: That's great, It's a pleasure to be with you both.

2153
01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:44,479
Speaker 2: Rick. Let's let's let's discuss that the Hall of Fame balloting, Uh,

2154
01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:48,320
Speaker 2: the names that came out, the balloting itself. Let let's

2155
01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:51,160
Speaker 2: start with that. How does this work for for Reds

2156
01:52:51,240 --> 01:52:53,320
Speaker 2: fans that they're able to cast a vote, and and

2157
01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:55,439
Speaker 2: and just the process that goes into this.

2158
01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:59,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's been you know, over time. The first Hall

2159
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:02,519
Speaker 6: of Fame class was elected in nineteen fifty eight, and

2160
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:06,000
Speaker 6: throughout the years, they're not an induction every single year,

2161
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:08,920
Speaker 6: pretty much every other year. In the last decade, there's

2162
01:53:09,280 --> 01:53:13,920
Speaker 6: been some variance to that. So when you take a

2163
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:16,000
Speaker 6: look at the ballot and who's eligible, you have to

2164
01:53:16,040 --> 01:53:18,360
Speaker 6: look at players for the modern player ballot that have

2165
01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:21,360
Speaker 6: played within the last fifteen years. So there's a Veterans

2166
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:23,800
Speaker 6: committee looks at candidates beyond fifteen years or more, but

2167
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:25,760
Speaker 6: you have to have played at least three years for

2168
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:28,800
Speaker 6: the Reds to be eligible. The ballot is created by

2169
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:31,560
Speaker 6: our Election Governance Committee. It's part of the Board of

2170
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:34,040
Speaker 6: Directors of the Hall that narrow this list down to

2171
01:53:34,600 --> 01:53:36,960
Speaker 6: in this case, eight players, so looked at a lot

2172
01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:38,800
Speaker 6: of players got it down to the eighth that they

2173
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:42,320
Speaker 6: thought that if these candidates were elected, they'd be fine

2174
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:44,679
Speaker 6: with going into the Hall of Fame. So the ballot

2175
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,360
Speaker 6: is created, it's sent out to the fans, to the

2176
01:53:47,479 --> 01:53:50,920
Speaker 6: median broadcasters, and also to teammates of the players. So

2177
01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:53,680
Speaker 6: any reds alum who played here three years or more,

2178
01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:55,920
Speaker 6: we will get the cast to vote. So we really

2179
01:53:55,960 --> 01:53:59,519
Speaker 6: feel it's important that those three groups are very involved

2180
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:02,160
Speaker 6: in this process. That the fans have a third say

2181
01:54:02,240 --> 01:54:04,400
Speaker 6: and who's going in same with the media and the

2182
01:54:04,439 --> 01:54:07,639
Speaker 6: broadcasters who follow the game so closely, and of course

2183
01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:10,000
Speaker 6: to the teammates, those that have been around the players

2184
01:54:10,120 --> 01:54:12,280
Speaker 6: for a number of years and probably can gauge their

2185
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:15,840
Speaker 6: success and contributions and achievements a little bit beyond some

2186
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:18,240
Speaker 6: of the stats that we see. So that's your modern

2187
01:54:18,280 --> 01:54:20,280
Speaker 6: player ballot, and we're in the voting period now for

2188
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:20,840
Speaker 6: three weeks.

2189
01:54:21,320 --> 01:54:25,000
Speaker 2: Voting period happens now. It runs through November twenty seventh,

2190
01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:27,760
Speaker 2: and then the two winners that it is just two

2191
01:54:28,160 --> 01:54:31,320
Speaker 2: players that are selected, those players are announced in December.

2192
01:54:32,040 --> 01:54:34,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, so the modern Player ballot will produce a two winners,

2193
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:36,160
Speaker 6: so two of the eight that are on this list

2194
01:54:36,240 --> 01:54:39,640
Speaker 6: will be inducted next April. They'll be combined with any

2195
01:54:39,720 --> 01:54:42,200
Speaker 6: selections that may come from the Veterans Committee. So this

2196
01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:46,360
Speaker 6: group of about fourteen individuals, it changes every couple of years.

2197
01:54:47,080 --> 01:54:49,560
Speaker 6: We get new members on the new opinions and they

2198
01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:53,080
Speaker 6: get to really dive deep into the candidates of players

2199
01:54:53,120 --> 01:54:56,120
Speaker 6: and managers and other executives that were involved with the

2200
01:54:56,240 --> 01:55:00,240
Speaker 6: organization fifteen years ago or more. And that's a pretty

2201
01:55:00,240 --> 01:55:01,080
Speaker 6: detailed process.

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01:55:01,120 --> 01:55:01,840
Speaker 16: Two three hour.

2203
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:04,440
Speaker 6: Meeting, so that class will be elected as one. You know,

2204
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:06,800
Speaker 6: we'll have them all together, Veterans and the modern player

2205
01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:09,960
Speaker 6: ballot winners next Aprils April twenty four to twenty five,

2206
01:55:10,040 --> 01:55:13,480
Speaker 6: twenty six, we call the induction celebration. They're on field

2207
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:15,560
Speaker 6: ceremonies on the twenty fifth, and then a big gal

2208
01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:17,760
Speaker 6: it's a fundraiser for the museum on the twenty six

2209
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:20,960
Speaker 6: at the Convention Center. So a lot ahead of us now,

2210
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:23,320
Speaker 6: but we're encouraging people to vote and take you know,

2211
01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:25,560
Speaker 6: make sure they're vote counts so you can vote once

2212
01:55:25,600 --> 01:55:28,360
Speaker 6: per day. Pre email address at Redsmuseum dot org and

2213
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:31,440
Speaker 6: really just get involved in the process support the Hall

2214
01:55:31,480 --> 01:55:32,760
Speaker 6: of Fame in your favorite candidate.

2215
01:55:33,120 --> 01:55:33,320
Speaker 22: It is.

2216
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:37,360
Speaker 2: It's such a cool process because it's it's the fans

2217
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:41,000
Speaker 2: and that's what makes this sport so fantastic, especially here

2218
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:43,400
Speaker 2: in the city of Cincinnati. And you think of the

2219
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:45,800
Speaker 2: players on the list and Homer Bailey and the no hitters,

2220
01:55:45,880 --> 01:55:49,960
Speaker 2: and what Coco Cordero was able to provide, and Zach

2221
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:52,280
Speaker 2: Cozart is an All Star, Aaron harangu is a starter,

2222
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:55,400
Speaker 2: Mike Leak is a starter, Edison Volcz, Scott Rowland, of course,

2223
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:59,680
Speaker 2: Brandon Phillips and Mike Leak. It is it's it's special,

2224
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:01,960
Speaker 2: how well, how special is it for you being around

2225
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:04,720
Speaker 2: this organization and with the Hall of Fame for as

2226
01:56:04,760 --> 01:56:08,080
Speaker 2: long as you have to see players like this recognize

2227
01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:10,320
Speaker 2: at a level where they deserve to be recognized from

2228
01:56:10,360 --> 01:56:11,080
Speaker 2: the city and the team.

2229
01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:14,800
Speaker 6: I think it's extremely important to the fans, it's important

2230
01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:17,960
Speaker 6: to the franchise and these players, even current players they

2231
01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:20,560
Speaker 6: are playing the game, to see that we are recognizing

2232
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:24,040
Speaker 6: and honoring those who contribute time, their energy, I mean,

2233
01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:27,200
Speaker 6: their life to Cincinnati Reds and their dedication to trying

2234
01:56:27,680 --> 01:56:30,560
Speaker 6: to become a better team and bring championships to this team.

2235
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:31,000
Speaker 16: We had some.

2236
01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:33,160
Speaker 6: Players on this list that were a part of some

2237
01:56:33,240 --> 01:56:36,160
Speaker 6: pretty solid teams. If you remember DN in twelve and thirteen,

2238
01:56:36,240 --> 01:56:39,640
Speaker 6: great years for the Reds, really really close, but some

2239
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:45,320
Speaker 6: fantastic performances, record breaking moments, memorable performances that people probably

2240
01:56:45,720 --> 01:56:47,600
Speaker 6: you know within the last fifteen years. A lot of

2241
01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:50,000
Speaker 6: the listeners here have been to those games. They remember

2242
01:56:50,120 --> 01:56:53,240
Speaker 6: these players and having them have a say.

2243
01:56:53,160 --> 01:56:54,360
Speaker 16: And who gets in the Hall of Fame.

2244
01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:57,600
Speaker 6: I think it's extremely important. I wish every team would

2245
01:56:57,640 --> 01:57:00,480
Speaker 6: do this. They don't all have Halls of Fame. Not

2246
01:57:00,680 --> 01:57:03,240
Speaker 6: every team has a museum, and we're one of the

2247
01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:06,240
Speaker 6: only to have a large, dedicated museum. And that's just

2248
01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:08,920
Speaker 6: a tribute to the Reds organization and our staff here

2249
01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:11,880
Speaker 6: at the museum who is focused on doing what we're

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01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:14,680
Speaker 6: supposed to do as a nonprofit and that celebrate greatness,

2251
01:57:14,720 --> 01:57:16,920
Speaker 6: preserve history, and provide inspiration.

2252
01:57:17,360 --> 01:57:18,720
Speaker 16: The museum does that every day.

2253
01:57:18,840 --> 01:57:22,160
Speaker 6: The pillar of all of that, the foundation, is the

2254
01:57:22,240 --> 01:57:25,720
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame and the election process behind it. Every

2255
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:28,160
Speaker 6: player who played for the Reds we celebrate, but these

2256
01:57:28,240 --> 01:57:30,680
Speaker 6: guys will rise to the highest level and they'll be

2257
01:57:30,760 --> 01:57:32,560
Speaker 6: in the Hall of Fame. Two of the winners from

2258
01:57:32,640 --> 01:57:33,880
Speaker 6: the modern player ballot.

2259
01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:36,520
Speaker 3: I'm curious too about the veterans ballot. You mentioned that

2260
01:57:36,640 --> 01:57:39,120
Speaker 3: that's going to be announced in December as well. Is

2261
01:57:39,200 --> 01:57:41,440
Speaker 3: there a rough estimate on the number of candidates that

2262
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:43,760
Speaker 3: are being debated with that group or is can it

2263
01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:46,640
Speaker 3: be one person? Is it going to be multiple? How

2264
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:49,080
Speaker 3: do you expect the Veterans' ballot to shake out?

2265
01:57:50,160 --> 01:57:53,000
Speaker 6: I kind of expect it to be one or two,

2266
01:57:53,160 --> 01:57:55,600
Speaker 6: but it doesn't there's no mandate, as I could be zero,

2267
01:57:56,240 --> 01:57:58,720
Speaker 6: the group could walk out without a consensus, but I

2268
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:02,120
Speaker 6: feel like they're typically is one that hasn't happened yet,

2269
01:58:02,200 --> 01:58:05,000
Speaker 6: but there are. You're talking about candidates going back into

2270
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:07,440
Speaker 6: the eighteen hundreds, and the purpose of the committee is

2271
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:10,320
Speaker 6: to make sure no one has been overlooked. If you

2272
01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:12,920
Speaker 6: are on a modern player ballot and you have to

2273
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:16,680
Speaker 6: be out of baseball for five years and then played

2274
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:18,880
Speaker 6: within the last fifteen, that means you only have a

2275
01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:21,760
Speaker 6: ten year period to be on a modern player ballot.

2276
01:58:22,240 --> 01:58:23,920
Speaker 6: And that also means if we're only doing it every

2277
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:26,280
Speaker 6: other year, there's only five ballots that you could be on.

2278
01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:29,440
Speaker 6: So you can imagine the ballot changing players going off

2279
01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:32,320
Speaker 6: coming back on, you could be a pretty good candidate

2280
01:58:32,600 --> 01:58:34,400
Speaker 6: but not make the Hall of Fame on the modern

2281
01:58:34,440 --> 01:58:36,400
Speaker 6: player ballot. And that's where the Veterans Committee can come

2282
01:58:36,440 --> 01:58:39,680
Speaker 6: in later on and decide, you know, hey, where you overlooked,

2283
01:58:39,800 --> 01:58:41,480
Speaker 6: is there a real case to be made? You know,

2284
01:58:41,560 --> 01:58:43,760
Speaker 6: we now understand the game and stats a little bit

2285
01:58:43,800 --> 01:58:46,240
Speaker 6: better and have a better respect for what you meant

2286
01:58:46,280 --> 01:58:48,360
Speaker 6: to the game and to the Reds organization. So they

2287
01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:51,040
Speaker 6: will dive into all of those stats that really are

2288
01:58:51,400 --> 01:58:54,400
Speaker 6: hard for any one individual to do by themselves to

2289
01:58:54,520 --> 01:58:56,720
Speaker 6: determine if we have a great candidate here, and there

2290
01:58:56,760 --> 01:58:58,560
Speaker 6: are some good ones still on there, going back to

2291
01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:01,200
Speaker 6: the eighteen hundreds, the commit he's pulled some great ones

2292
01:59:01,240 --> 01:59:01,760
Speaker 6: in the past.

2293
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:04,480
Speaker 16: And twenty twenty three general manager.

2294
01:59:04,720 --> 01:59:07,080
Speaker 6: By the name of Gabe Paul went in and that

2295
01:59:07,200 --> 01:59:09,840
Speaker 6: was pretty special. And Danny Graves, the old time Saves

2296
01:59:09,960 --> 01:59:13,320
Speaker 6: leader went in. So it's a great committee serving a

2297
01:59:13,400 --> 01:59:16,960
Speaker 6: great cause then making sure those that warrant election are elected.

2298
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:21,680
Speaker 2: It's such a storied organization with a storied past.

2299
01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:22,280
Speaker 4: Rick.

2300
01:59:22,960 --> 01:59:24,920
Speaker 2: I know, we're in the off season for baseball and

2301
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:28,000
Speaker 2: it's a very busy offseason that seemingly never stops. But

2302
01:59:28,120 --> 01:59:32,000
Speaker 2: for you guys at the museum at the Hall of Fame.

2303
01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:33,640
Speaker 2: What do you guys have going on throughout the winner

2304
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:35,800
Speaker 2: and how can people learn more or maybe find a

2305
01:59:35,800 --> 01:59:36,280
Speaker 2: way to visit.

2306
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:38,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is a great time for the museum. We

2307
01:59:38,760 --> 01:59:42,080
Speaker 6: are gearing up right now for an event in December,

2308
01:59:42,120 --> 01:59:44,680
Speaker 6: Carl Deck the Hall. You hear about that more down

2309
01:59:44,760 --> 01:59:46,640
Speaker 6: the road. Get great chances for our families to visit

2310
01:59:46,720 --> 01:59:49,720
Speaker 6: the museum and get some Christmas shopping done. But Reg's

2311
01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:53,120
Speaker 6: Fantasy Camp takes place in January, that, unfortunately for those interested,

2312
01:59:53,200 --> 01:59:54,920
Speaker 6: has sold out. It sells out in about a week

2313
01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:58,560
Speaker 6: in May and June the year before the event even

2314
01:59:58,640 --> 02:00:00,520
Speaker 6: takes place, and we are so f focus in on

2315
02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:01,600
Speaker 6: that and then a RedFest.

2316
02:00:01,640 --> 02:00:02,879
Speaker 16: We hope to see all the fans.

2317
02:00:02,720 --> 02:00:05,600
Speaker 6: Out there at RedFest, and just kind of getting everything

2318
02:00:05,640 --> 02:00:07,040
Speaker 6: geared up for next year is going to be a

2319
02:00:07,120 --> 02:00:10,960
Speaker 6: fantastic year for the museum. Still celebrating the fiftieth anniversary

2320
02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:13,760
Speaker 6: this time of the seventy six World Champion Red So

2321
02:00:14,360 --> 02:00:16,320
Speaker 6: expect a lot of those players in and now the

2322
02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:18,640
Speaker 6: museum next year. If you were kind of looking at

2323
02:00:18,640 --> 02:00:20,800
Speaker 6: the museums saying what's going to happen next year. Look

2324
02:00:20,840 --> 02:00:24,200
Speaker 6: at our events schedule. We're going to have players, alumni,

2325
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:27,760
Speaker 6: all kinds of events and activities throughout the year, and

2326
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:30,360
Speaker 6: Redsmuseum dot org will have that up to date and

2327
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:32,960
Speaker 6: active all the time. So hopefully we'll bring in your

2328
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:34,560
Speaker 6: favorite player and you get a chance to meet them.

2329
02:00:35,160 --> 02:00:37,800
Speaker 2: Rick Man, this is awesome, so much good stuff going on.

2330
02:00:38,240 --> 02:00:41,200
Speaker 2: One more time. The easiest way for folks to find

2331
02:00:41,240 --> 02:00:43,880
Speaker 2: a way to vote and even learn more about the museum.

2332
02:00:44,200 --> 02:00:48,360
Speaker 6: Absolutely, Redsmuseum dot org. All the candidates and their bios

2333
02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:50,600
Speaker 6: are listed there to vote once per day per email

2334
02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:52,680
Speaker 6: address and learn all about how you can support the

2335
02:00:52,760 --> 02:00:55,720
Speaker 6: museum membership, and however, just visit the museum. It's a

2336
02:00:55,720 --> 02:00:57,120
Speaker 6: great place to come to in the off season.

2337
02:00:57,360 --> 02:00:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, awesome, Rick Man, this is awesome. Thank you so

2338
02:00:59,720 --> 02:01:02,560
Speaker 2: much your time and we we appreciate it greatly. Have

2339
02:01:02,640 --> 02:01:04,880
Speaker 2: a great, great offseason. I know it's busy for you,

2340
02:01:05,000 --> 02:01:07,280
Speaker 2: but enjoy it and I hope to talk soon. Thanks Rick.

2341
02:01:07,440 --> 02:01:12,280
Speaker 2: Thank you. That is Rick Walls, executive director of the

2342
02:01:12,360 --> 02:01:14,400
Speaker 2: Red's Hall of Fame and Museum, spending some time with

2343
02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:17,000
Speaker 2: us today. Mo Wager at Oakley Greens will join us

2344
02:01:17,040 --> 02:01:19,400
Speaker 2: to put a bow on today with quick Hits next

2345
02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:23,200
Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Hey, it's Mo ESPN.

2346
02:01:24,600 --> 02:01:27,800
Speaker 2: All right, we got Mo. He's at Oakley Greens. It's Tuesday,

2347
02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:30,680
Speaker 2: so he's there this afternoon. You could go see Mo,

2348
02:01:31,760 --> 02:01:34,080
Speaker 2: or you could just listen to him on ESPN fifteen thirty.

2349
02:01:34,120 --> 02:01:35,400
Speaker 2: He joins us. Right now, let's have Mo.

2350
02:01:36,080 --> 02:01:38,680
Speaker 10: Well, there's lots of reasons to come to Oakley Greens.

2351
02:01:39,440 --> 02:01:43,480
Speaker 10: Number one, our favorite bartender, Lauren just brought me a

2352
02:01:43,560 --> 02:01:47,160
Speaker 10: Coca Cola. Number two, we're doing our show out here,

2353
02:01:47,400 --> 02:01:49,760
Speaker 10: and that in itself is reason to you know, come

2354
02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:53,040
Speaker 10: to Oakley Greens. Number three. You can sign up for

2355
02:01:53,120 --> 02:01:56,240
Speaker 10: the Ultimate Fan Cave where we are giving away a recliner,

2356
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Speaker 10: a TV, a TV stand, an area rug and end

2357
02:01:59,280 --> 02:02:03,360
Speaker 10: table and number number three. And this only applies you know.

2358
02:02:03,440 --> 02:02:07,240
Speaker 10: It's Veterans Day to active and retired military. If you

2359
02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:11,240
Speaker 10: come to Oakley Greens, our producer on site, Drew will

2360
02:02:11,280 --> 02:02:12,120
Speaker 10: park your car for you.

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Speaker 4: Wow. Wow.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, just you have to show, you know, proof that

2363
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Speaker 10: you're an active or retired member of the military because

2364
02:02:20,960 --> 02:02:24,680
Speaker 10: it's it's a little chilly. Drew west Ryde Man, we'll

2365
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Speaker 10: park your car for you.

2366
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Speaker 2: Shut out to Drew Man, that's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome,

2367
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:30,880
Speaker 2: really giving back to those who have given so much.

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Speaker 2: Of course, yes, outside sacrifice, outside of those amazing reasons

2369
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Speaker 2: to come see you. What do you got coming up

2370
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Speaker 2: on the show.

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Speaker 10: Paul Danner Junior is going to be here in the

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Speaker 10: first hour of the show, and we're looking forward to

2373
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Speaker 10: that because there's a billion different Bengals issues to discuss. Also,

2374
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Speaker 10: Pat Noonan will be on the show, the head coach

2375
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Speaker 10: of FC Cincinnati is going to join us to talk

2376
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Speaker 10: about the victory over Columbus on Saturday and what lies ahead.

2377
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Speaker 10: Some are calling this the biggest soccer match ever on

2378
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Speaker 10: American soil. By some, I mean me. As FC Cincinnati

2379
02:03:03,560 --> 02:03:06,400
Speaker 10: gets set's take on Miami next weekend, Pat's gonna join

2380
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Speaker 10: us at four o'clock. Our guy, Sean said, the Stats

2381
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Speaker 10: and Scheme podcast and the Satsan Scheme newsletter is gonna

2382
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Speaker 10: be with us.

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Speaker 2: We're looking forward to.

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Speaker 10: Talking about I'm gonna talk about the Steelers and Ravens

2385
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Speaker 10: with him, given the fact that those two teams played

2386
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Speaker 10: this weekend and the Bengals play both over the course

2387
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Speaker 10: of the next couple of weeks. We'll look ahead to

2388
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Speaker 10: Cincinnati versus Dayton. The official Udi Flyers correspondent of The

2389
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Speaker 10: Moegger Show is Drew Wester Heidi and in between parking cars, Drew,

2390
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Speaker 10: He's gonna preview tonight's game with us. We'll look ahead

2391
02:03:36,360 --> 02:03:39,120
Speaker 10: of Kentucky Louisville as well and try to figure out

2392
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Speaker 10: what that was that Xavier put on the floor last.

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Speaker 2: Are you a little disappointed We've not seen the grade

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Speaker 2: tweet from Richard Patino today. If you're gonna do it

2395
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:49,520
Speaker 2: after wins, do you have to do it after a

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Speaker 2: loss as well?

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Speaker 10: Yes, if it's if that's gonna be your thing, which

2398
02:03:53,800 --> 02:03:56,880
Speaker 10: I love it like I do. If that's if that's

2399
02:03:56,920 --> 02:03:59,240
Speaker 10: gonna be your thing, it can't just be a thing

2400
02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:02,960
Speaker 10: when you win. I mean, I don't know what he

2401
02:04:03,000 --> 02:04:07,880
Speaker 10: would grade positively from that game last night. But if

2402
02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:10,040
Speaker 10: you're gonna do that like you do it, you know,

2403
02:04:10,240 --> 02:04:11,600
Speaker 10: consistency matters, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he hasn't been afraid to give out harsh grades

2405
02:04:14,120 --> 02:04:16,840
Speaker 3: so far, So why wouldn't you do it again when

2406
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Speaker 3: you lose?

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Speaker 16: Yes?

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Speaker 10: Exactly. I mean you know what he could do is

2409
02:04:22,360 --> 02:04:26,200
Speaker 10: I had a professor once at the University of Dayton.

2410
02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:29,240
Speaker 10: I took statistics because you had to take one math

2411
02:04:29,320 --> 02:04:33,200
Speaker 10: class as a calm major, and so I took the

2412
02:04:33,280 --> 02:04:35,880
Speaker 10: math class. It was stats, and I wasn't very good

2413
02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:38,720
Speaker 10: at it. And you went to the professor's office to

2414
02:04:38,800 --> 02:04:42,040
Speaker 10: get your midterm grade. And I went in and he

2415
02:04:42,120 --> 02:04:43,840
Speaker 10: didn't have him posted, but he was sitting in his

2416
02:04:43,960 --> 02:04:45,920
Speaker 10: office and he looked at me. He goes, what do

2417
02:04:46,040 --> 02:04:49,560
Speaker 10: you think you got? I go, I don't think I passed.

2418
02:04:49,680 --> 02:04:51,400
Speaker 10: He goes, I don't think we need to tell you

2419
02:04:51,480 --> 02:04:53,560
Speaker 10: what you got that And he could do something similar

2420
02:04:53,640 --> 02:04:55,000
Speaker 10: with the grades for his team last night?

2421
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Speaker 2: What do you make tonight with with the Flyers and Bearcats?

2422
02:05:00,600 --> 02:05:02,520
Speaker 2: What do you need to see? Friday night was not

2423
02:05:02,640 --> 02:05:04,760
Speaker 2: great from the Bearcats. I know Dayton did not have

2424
02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:07,480
Speaker 2: a great tune up over the weekend as well. What

2425
02:05:07,640 --> 02:05:10,440
Speaker 2: are you hoping to see walking out of fifth Start

2426
02:05:10,440 --> 02:05:11,080
Speaker 2: Arena tonight?

2427
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Speaker 10: Uh, first and foremost to Bearcat victory, because I don't

2428
02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:19,000
Speaker 10: think that's a given by any stretch of the imagination.

2429
02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:22,520
Speaker 10: You know, it's cliche, and I keep coming back to it.

2430
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:26,720
Speaker 10: I want a firmer sense of the pieces fitting for

2431
02:05:26,800 --> 02:05:29,360
Speaker 10: the Bearcats. I'd like to see them shoot the ball better.

2432
02:05:29,720 --> 02:05:31,600
Speaker 10: I'd like to see them assert themselves a little bit

2433
02:05:31,640 --> 02:05:33,840
Speaker 10: more on the glass, because they they really haven't in

2434
02:05:33,920 --> 02:05:37,120
Speaker 10: either of the first two games, certainly didn't against West Carolina.

2435
02:05:37,720 --> 02:05:40,200
Speaker 10: I think that's gonna be a little bit of an issue,

2436
02:05:40,240 --> 02:05:42,080
Speaker 10: but I would like to see that begin to get

2437
02:05:42,160 --> 02:05:47,800
Speaker 10: rectified tonight. I'd also like to see Seana Bayev look

2438
02:05:47,880 --> 02:05:49,680
Speaker 10: more like we saw him look in the first game

2439
02:05:49,720 --> 02:05:52,560
Speaker 10: as opposed to how he played the other night. But

2440
02:05:52,720 --> 02:05:57,440
Speaker 10: for me, it's it's just a more a better sense

2441
02:05:57,480 --> 02:05:59,920
Speaker 10: of how the pieces are gonna fit as the sea

2442
02:06:00,200 --> 02:06:03,920
Speaker 10: and moves on. I love college basketball for a lot

2443
02:06:03,960 --> 02:06:06,880
Speaker 10: of different reasons. One of the reasons is I think

2444
02:06:06,920 --> 02:06:09,960
Speaker 10: it is the sport where you have the potential to

2445
02:06:10,120 --> 02:06:12,560
Speaker 10: not look like you did early in the season by

2446
02:06:12,640 --> 02:06:14,160
Speaker 10: the time we get to the middle of the season,

2447
02:06:14,280 --> 02:06:17,280
Speaker 10: so teams can and do get better. It's absurd to

2448
02:06:17,440 --> 02:06:20,919
Speaker 10: hand down any concrete conclusions about any team in November,

2449
02:06:21,280 --> 02:06:24,840
Speaker 10: but let's face it, last year's failures loom over this

2450
02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:27,240
Speaker 10: team because I think it's being framed the same way.

2451
02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:30,280
Speaker 2: They have good players, Do the pieces fit.

2452
02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:33,080
Speaker 10: Let's get an answer in November, and the way you

2453
02:06:33,160 --> 02:06:35,600
Speaker 10: get those answers are by beating the two name brand

2454
02:06:35,640 --> 02:06:38,680
Speaker 10: opponents you have this month Louisville a week from Friday,

2455
02:06:39,160 --> 02:06:40,280
Speaker 10: and Dayton Tonight.

2456
02:06:40,760 --> 02:06:44,400
Speaker 2: Last night Monday Night football. Not an offensive juggernaut by

2457
02:06:44,440 --> 02:06:47,560
Speaker 2: any means. Two good defenses in the NFC. I'm looking

2458
02:06:47,600 --> 02:06:49,960
Speaker 2: at the NFC today, Mo, and you could make an

2459
02:06:50,040 --> 02:06:52,680
Speaker 2: argument to me that the Eagles can win the Super Bowl,

2460
02:06:52,720 --> 02:06:55,360
Speaker 2: the Seahawks can win it, the Lions, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,

2461
02:06:55,440 --> 02:06:58,360
Speaker 2: the Rams, the Packers can all win the Super Bowl.

2462
02:06:58,760 --> 02:07:01,600
Speaker 2: Who do you view right now through this week of

2463
02:07:01,680 --> 02:07:04,600
Speaker 2: the NFL season as your favorite in the NFC?

2464
02:07:05,880 --> 02:07:09,600
Speaker 10: The Los Angeles Rams. I think they have the best coach.

2465
02:07:10,040 --> 02:07:12,120
Speaker 10: I think right now they have the best quarterback. I

2466
02:07:12,200 --> 02:07:14,000
Speaker 10: think right now they have a quarterback who would get

2467
02:07:14,600 --> 02:07:19,880
Speaker 10: serious MVP consideration. I cannot wait to watch Rams versus

2468
02:07:19,960 --> 02:07:21,840
Speaker 10: Seattle this Sunday, which I think is going to be

2469
02:07:21,880 --> 02:07:25,400
Speaker 10: a great game. But if there's one team I feel

2470
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:29,640
Speaker 10: most comfortable about and have felt the most comfortable with

2471
02:07:29,880 --> 02:07:31,960
Speaker 10: as the season has gone on for two and a

2472
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:34,880
Speaker 10: half months, it would be the LA Rams. But the

2473
02:07:35,080 --> 02:07:38,240
Speaker 10: NFC playoffs, like you might get San Francisco as a

2474
02:07:38,360 --> 02:07:41,200
Speaker 10: seven that's a fun team. You might get the Chicago

2475
02:07:41,320 --> 02:07:45,280
Speaker 10: Bears as a seven. That's a really fun team. I

2476
02:07:45,360 --> 02:07:47,800
Speaker 10: don't know that we could say something similar about the AFC,

2477
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:50,440
Speaker 10: but I think the NFC postseason is gonna be wild.

2478
02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:51,560
Speaker 2: Who's your top of the AFC.

2479
02:07:53,600 --> 02:07:57,560
Speaker 10: I'll say New England love how they play big Drake

2480
02:07:57,680 --> 02:08:00,400
Speaker 10: may guy. Mike Vrabel's a great coach. Now, well, he

2481
02:08:00,520 --> 02:08:02,640
Speaker 10: hasn't been awesome in the postseason. We saw that up

2482
02:08:02,720 --> 02:08:05,320
Speaker 10: close with the Bengals when they played there when they

2483
02:08:05,360 --> 02:08:10,440
Speaker 10: were the one seed in twenty twenty one. But the

2484
02:08:10,520 --> 02:08:13,360
Speaker 10: division is obviously theirs for the taking. I still really

2485
02:08:13,440 --> 02:08:17,280
Speaker 10: do like the Colts. I kind of keep waiting for

2486
02:08:17,440 --> 02:08:20,720
Speaker 10: Daniel Jones to turn into a pumpkin, but it hasn't

2487
02:08:20,760 --> 02:08:23,040
Speaker 10: happened yet. They have Jonathan Taylor they can lean on.

2488
02:08:23,920 --> 02:08:25,600
Speaker 10: New England has a couple of running backs they can

2489
02:08:25,680 --> 02:08:27,960
Speaker 10: lead on. Trevon Henderson the other day was terrific. I

2490
02:08:28,040 --> 02:08:31,160
Speaker 10: think New England's the best team right now. I think

2491
02:08:31,200 --> 02:08:32,800
Speaker 10: if you ask me that question of the month, my

2492
02:08:32,840 --> 02:08:34,040
Speaker 10: answer will probably be different.

2493
02:08:34,800 --> 02:08:38,080
Speaker 2: Lastly, I talked to a lot of folks with the

2494
02:08:38,200 --> 02:08:42,320
Speaker 2: UT Bearcats football and everyone is talking about BYU, BYU, BYU.

2495
02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:45,640
Speaker 2: What about the BYU game? I listened to Scott Sonderfield

2496
02:08:45,640 --> 02:08:49,360
Speaker 2: today and you dive into this Arizona team. They got

2497
02:08:49,400 --> 02:08:52,320
Speaker 2: beat pretty good at Iowa State, but they were leading

2498
02:08:52,440 --> 02:08:55,920
Speaker 2: BYU by ten eventually lost in overtime. They lost at

2499
02:08:55,960 --> 02:09:00,040
Speaker 2: the Gun to Houston. How much better is Arizona and

2500
02:09:00,040 --> 02:09:02,480
Speaker 2: then maybe folks locally or giving them credit for and

2501
02:09:02,560 --> 02:09:03,840
Speaker 2: how much of a test is this going to be

2502
02:09:03,880 --> 02:09:05,920
Speaker 2: on Saturday coming off a loss and then a bye.

2503
02:09:06,560 --> 02:09:10,960
Speaker 10: One at Kansas Late which you see did destroyed Colorado,

2504
02:09:11,000 --> 02:09:13,280
Speaker 10: which you would expect because you know nobody.

2505
02:09:13,240 --> 02:09:17,000
Speaker 2: Oh, Dion, Dion, Dion, I not as many Colorado.

2506
02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:21,720
Speaker 10: Fans in our lives these days, I've noticed. I think

2507
02:09:21,760 --> 02:09:24,720
Speaker 10: Arizona's pretty good now. Frankly, and this is going to

2508
02:09:24,760 --> 02:09:28,400
Speaker 10: sound really cliche. I think UC's biggest opponent against Utah

2509
02:09:28,520 --> 02:09:31,440
Speaker 10: was itself. Yeah, Like, I think Brendan soors Be just

2510
02:09:31,480 --> 02:09:34,120
Speaker 10: played really, really poorly. And I don't know that Utah

2511
02:09:34,200 --> 02:09:35,960
Speaker 10: had a ton to do with that. You know, you

2512
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:37,440
Speaker 10: and I were talking and you mentioned he had a

2513
02:09:37,480 --> 02:09:39,440
Speaker 10: couple of balls batted down early that may have had

2514
02:09:39,440 --> 02:09:44,320
Speaker 10: an impact, But I thought just lack of creativity offensively,

2515
02:09:44,440 --> 02:09:46,880
Speaker 10: I thought Brendan sores Be displaying poorly. They did a

2516
02:09:46,920 --> 02:09:49,920
Speaker 10: lot of uncharacteristic things turning the ball over. They were

2517
02:09:50,040 --> 02:09:53,360
Speaker 10: awful on special teams for the first time all season long.

2518
02:09:53,960 --> 02:09:56,240
Speaker 10: But I agree wholeheartedly. I think a lot of folks,

2519
02:09:56,360 --> 02:09:58,800
Speaker 10: I'm not so sure inside the program, but I think

2520
02:09:58,800 --> 02:10:02,280
Speaker 10: a lot of us we've talked to beat BYU well

2521
02:10:02,440 --> 02:10:05,320
Speaker 10: sandwiched around that game. I think is a more difficult

2522
02:10:05,360 --> 02:10:08,520
Speaker 10: game against Arizona than people realize. Ain't exactly gonna be

2523
02:10:08,560 --> 02:10:10,280
Speaker 10: easy going to TCU and trying to get a win

2524
02:10:11,240 --> 02:10:14,240
Speaker 10: the week of Thanksgiving either, So I'm I could not

2525
02:10:14,360 --> 02:10:17,960
Speaker 10: agree more with anybody who says, look, yes, you gotta

2526
02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:20,880
Speaker 10: beat BYU, but that game's not gonna matter as much

2527
02:10:20,880 --> 02:10:22,560
Speaker 10: if you don't take care of business at home, and

2528
02:10:22,640 --> 02:10:24,839
Speaker 10: this Arizona game is not one to be taken.

2529
02:10:24,720 --> 02:10:27,160
Speaker 2: Lately, without a doubt. You can hear more of that

2530
02:10:27,440 --> 02:10:30,320
Speaker 2: and so much else coming up on The Mowager Show

2531
02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:34,160
Speaker 2: ESBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Stations. Mo is at Oakley

2532
02:10:34,280 --> 02:10:38,200
Speaker 2: Greens Drew will park your car if you're a veteran,

2533
02:10:39,200 --> 02:10:40,720
Speaker 2: fantastic stuff mo Thanks.

2534
02:10:40,680 --> 02:10:44,160
Speaker 10: Active or retired military member. Let's bring proof, let's go,

2535
02:10:44,440 --> 02:10:46,280
Speaker 10: and if you get here for the show, between three

2536
02:10:46,320 --> 02:10:49,320
Speaker 10: and six, Drew will park your car. And by the way,

2537
02:10:50,200 --> 02:10:51,080
Speaker 10: no tipping aloud.

2538
02:10:51,480 --> 02:10:52,960
Speaker 2: Love it, love it.

2539
02:10:54,640 --> 02:10:56,280
Speaker 10: I'm gonna shake you down for money if you said

2540
02:10:56,320 --> 02:10:56,840
Speaker 10: in our country.

2541
02:10:58,040 --> 02:11:01,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely mo. Thanks, have a great show. I see all right,

2542
02:11:01,800 --> 02:11:05,000
Speaker 2: We're done. That's Mulaiger. The Muliager Show is next. This

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02:11:05,080 --> 02:11:07,360
Speaker 2: has been since he three to sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station. Have a great rest of your.

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