Speaker 1: Well, now I've heard of that guy. He's okay, welcome
Speaker 1: on in on this glorious Saturday. It's great to have
Speaker 1: you with us. Big Saturday for college football. We've got
Speaker 1: UC at Utah tonight in a Big twelve showdown. Winner
Speaker 1: of course, will jump right back into conversation for the
Speaker 1: championship game, Big twelve Championship game, you see, really has
Speaker 1: never left that conversation, all of that play by play
Speaker 1: right here on seven hundred WLW. And of course Game
Speaker 1: seven of the World Series tonight Toronto at home with
Speaker 1: a chance to close it out. Series tied at three
Speaker 1: to three as the Dodgers climb back in it last night.
Speaker 1: So that's the world of sports percolating around the world
Speaker 1: in and of itself for a lot of issues, not
Speaker 1: the least of which is the government shutdown, which is
Speaker 1: now into its second month. And at the core issue
Speaker 1: right now for Republicans is just to get the government
Speaker 1: up and running again. Just have the Democrats do what
Speaker 1: they have done consistently over time, and that is vote
Speaker 1: on a clean resolution, don't junk it up with anything,
Speaker 1: just get government workers paid and let the country keep
Speaker 1: rolling along. But of course that's not what Democrats are
Speaker 1: doing this time. They seek any opportunity for disruption, and
Speaker 1: their disruption right now is some form of medical plan
Speaker 1: payment whatever for people who are in this country illegally,
Speaker 1: particularly as it pertains to Medicaid, and also the continuing
Speaker 1: funding that's needed for Obamacare, which expires at the end
Speaker 1: of the year. They'll say, okay, let's talk about Obamacare
Speaker 1: and then we'll get the We'll get the CR pass.
Speaker 2: Let's make this part of the CR.
Speaker 1: And then we'll get everybody up and running, the air
Speaker 1: traffic controllers and you know, the federal government, the police
Speaker 1: and whatnot.
Speaker 2: Let's just just get that in there in the CR.
Speaker 1: Of course, this is a complete departure from what Democrats
Speaker 1: have done over the course of time. Nevertheless, both sides
Speaker 1: are dug in snap funds. Now could be the first
Speaker 1: casualty of this government cut down. This is food assistance
Speaker 1: for about forty two million Americans who need food assistance.
Speaker 1: There are people in this country, believe it or not,
Speaker 1: that are not doing as well as you and me,
Speaker 1: and they need help. But of course this is the
Speaker 1: victim of this government shut down. And now, of course
Speaker 1: we've got judges that are popping up Oh god. I
Speaker 1: was wondering if these federal judges were okay. Apparently they are,
Speaker 1: because now we have whack a mole going on with
Speaker 1: federal judges amazingly appointed by Democrats who have stuck their
Speaker 1: noses into all of this. So you've got moral issues,
Speaker 1: which is getting people fed. You have political issues, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're the Trump you don't want to
Speaker 1: come down on the side of not feeding people. And
Speaker 1: you have a judicial issue. You have legal issues with
Speaker 1: all of this.
Speaker 2: This is a.
Speaker 1: Confusing story, I know. But I know somebody that can
Speaker 1: lend credence to it and clarity, and he's standing by
Speaker 1: the joint This is a man who has never lost
Speaker 1: a trial in his life. He is widely referred to
Speaker 1: as America's attorney. This is somebody who when he walks
Speaker 1: into a courtroom, judges not in deference and opposing attorneys
Speaker 1: look at their clients and just tell them, take the deal,
Speaker 1: take the deal, Take the deal, take the deal. This
Speaker 1: guy never loses. He, of course, is our good friend
Speaker 1: Jeremy Rosenthal. And Jeremy, how are you on this glorious Saturday.
Speaker 3: I'm great. Can we like maybe simulcastis and fort Worth
Speaker 3: and Karen County Tuxes. I've got a couple of prosecutors
Speaker 3: who need to hear everything that you just said. Because
Speaker 3: I'm working this weekend. I'm at my desk getting we're
Speaker 3: We're getting ready, man, We're getting ready.
Speaker 2: Good for good for you, good for you. I'll do it.
Speaker 2: I'll put it on your answering system. Whatever you need.
Speaker 2: We are we done.
Speaker 1: Did we not have some sort of Supreme Court ruling
Speaker 1: that these federal judges who they must have firecrackers up
Speaker 1: their rear ends it lit every so often. Weren't we
Speaker 1: led to believe by the Supreme Court that all of
Speaker 1: these people need to stay in their lane. And now
Speaker 1: we have the same judges that are popping up again.
Speaker 1: You've got the three I mentioned. I didn't mention John McConnell,
Speaker 1: who was an Obama appointee in Rhode Island. Judge Adira
Speaker 1: Telwane from the District Court of Massachusetts, an Obama appointee.
Speaker 2: Those are the two that are snap snap consumed.
Speaker 1: And then, of course it wouldn't be a weekend without
Speaker 1: the US District Judge Colin Caller Coutelli completing the mythical trifecta,
Speaker 1: who ruled from the bench that Trump's requiring proof of
Speaker 1: citizenship to vote is illegal. Were all these judges told
Speaker 1: by the Supreme Court stay in your lane? Or did
Speaker 1: I miss something here? Did I miss something?
Speaker 3: The lanes are extraordinarily big. So the Supreme Court ruling
Speaker 3: that came back earlier this year. What what what had
Speaker 3: happened was that party judges were enjoining rules and laws
Speaker 3: nationwide based on one claimant, one plaintiff. And what the
Speaker 3: courts came back and said is that the courts can
Speaker 3: only solve problems for people who are in court, who
Speaker 3: are in front of them, and in some instances for
Speaker 3: the planiff, for somebody seeking for somebody seeking that type
Speaker 3: of relief, it's easy, and in others it's hard. And
Speaker 3: so it just depends on who's the claimant. Right. When
Speaker 3: the claimant is the state of Colorado, right, everybody in
Speaker 3: Colorado is sort of subject to that, And so it's
Speaker 3: easy for judges to take action based on really large
Speaker 3: swaths of people and groups. This is why you see
Speaker 3: twenty two, twenty three whatever it is states that are
Speaker 3: joining this lawsuit plus this group, plus that group, plus
Speaker 3: you know, all these other entities and by and large
Speaker 3: in most instances, it'll it'll cover as many people as
Speaker 3: they can. So that's the new trick if you will
Speaker 3: to try to get these judges to to exercise jurisdiction,
Speaker 3: if you're the plaintiff over as broad a group as
Speaker 3: you can.
Speaker 1: I okay, understand that. And of the states you mentioned,
Speaker 1: they're all led by Democrat attorney generals. So that's where
Speaker 1: this that's how this is landed in this case on
Speaker 1: John J. McConnell's desk along with Judge Indira Telwanny. That's
Speaker 1: how they That's how it landed on their desks, all right.
Speaker 1: But I in my interest that there are three things here.
Speaker 1: There is the morality of this, the moral obligation to
Speaker 1: feed people who cannot eat for whatever reason, and it's
Speaker 1: a it's a significant number.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: There is also the political implication. I'm looking at Trump.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not stupid. He may be a lot
Speaker 1: of things to a lot of people. But if he
Speaker 1: tries to block what these judges are doing at the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court, all of a sudden, he's starving fifty for
Speaker 1: almost fifty million people, not good politically. And then you
Speaker 1: have what's going on here legally. So if you factor
Speaker 1: all of those things together, I can't see Trump taking
Speaker 1: what Indira Talwaunee and John J. McConnell did and appealing
Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court on this, can you?
Speaker 3: It may be a little bit of thrown me in
Speaker 3: the briar patch. Right. And so you're seeing, look the
Speaker 3: government shutdown here, every politician in Washington is hitting reload
Speaker 3: on their browser to see what the polls are saying.
Speaker 3: Who's getting blamed for this? Right? And look, I don't
Speaker 3: know if the shutdown has affected you. I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's really affected me. I took a trip last weekend.
Speaker 3: I sat on the runway for what I thought was
Speaker 3: a long time. In my mind, I'm wondering if that's
Speaker 3: because the air traffic controllers aren't getting paid. But look,
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're in federal court, you're noticing that
Speaker 3: things are winding to a halt. If you are the
Speaker 3: beneficiary of a federal program, then you're probably noticing that
Speaker 3: things are winding to a halt. If your spouse works
Speaker 3: for the Social Security Administration, then you're noticing things are
Speaker 3: grinding to a halt. And the longer longer this drags out,
Speaker 3: the more and more people will begin to notice, right,
Speaker 3: and that's where the political blame is really sort of
Speaker 3: taking shape. So, yes, it's a bad look to not
Speaker 3: feed forty two million people, children and elderly people and
Speaker 3: underprivileged and mentally handicapped and mentally ill and anything and everything.
Speaker 3: So I think everybody wants to get them fed. Nobody
Speaker 3: wants to take the blame for not feeding them, right.
Speaker 3: The Democrats don't want to get blamed for shutting down
Speaker 3: the government and ending this thing. And Trump doesn't want
Speaker 3: to get blamed for, you know, by taking this thing
Speaker 3: all the way up to the Supreme Court to make
Speaker 3: sure that people can't eat. Everybody recognizes that this program
Speaker 3: is a bit of a hostage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and you know, I again, it's these
Speaker 1: same judges. I mean in Dera Telwane we heard her
Speaker 1: before on immigration.
Speaker 2: This John J.
Speaker 1: McConnell seems like he's at the very least compromised politically.
Speaker 1: I mean, my god, the guy held Democrat various Democrat
Speaker 1: state committees in Rhode Island. He was the treasurer of
Speaker 1: the Rhode Island Democratic State Committee and begged to sitting
Speaker 1: senators to appoint him to the District Court in Rhode Island,
Speaker 1: Jack Reid and Sheldon Whitehouse. It just it seems to
Speaker 1: me that this is this is this is the old trick.
Speaker 1: What you don't get at the ballot box, you go
Speaker 1: to court and try and get a judgment there, and
Speaker 1: you know, on the other side of this, I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 1: you know what, Okay, they get this, then what's next.
Speaker 1: What's the next lawsuit that comes down the road. And
Speaker 1: pretty soon whatever political capital that you gained in No
Speaker 1: Member of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Four is slowly eroding. This is an old trick, is
Speaker 2: it not?
Speaker 1: What you can't get at the ballot box, let's see
Speaker 1: if we can get it in a court room.
Speaker 3: Are you saying that we don't need lawyers and that
Speaker 3: we don't deserve to be the best and make all
Speaker 3: the money and all that in the planet, which you
Speaker 3: were saying earlier, No, I.
Speaker 1: Know, I have no problem, but believe in our legal system.
Speaker 1: I have no problem with lawyers and prosecutors. I got
Speaker 1: problems with judges because I think at the very least
Speaker 1: they arrive at the bench. And you don't need to
Speaker 1: comment on this if you don't want to. At the
Speaker 1: very least they arrive at the bench. They arrive compromise
Speaker 1: because they're either there by getting elected where they have
Speaker 1: to raise funds and go into the community and try
Speaker 1: and get money out of people. They may have to
Speaker 1: issue judgments on down the road, or they're appointed by
Speaker 1: the old boys network. I don't think this country does
Speaker 1: a very good job, and I don't know what the
Speaker 1: answer is of putting judges on the bench, whether it
Speaker 1: be local, whether it be federal. But be that as
Speaker 1: it may, Yeah, we need lawyers, I think. I think
Speaker 1: I think we need them. But I I and I
Speaker 1: think that this is just to me as a citizen.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this and I'm saying, Okay, we don't
Speaker 1: get our way, let's go sue, and let's put somebody
Speaker 1: in a corner where there's no possible way out of it.
Speaker 1: So I think it falls on Trump. He's got to
Speaker 1: extend an olive branch of some kind to get this
Speaker 1: thing going again, because it's going to have nobody if
Speaker 1: people aren't getting fed. But I think the last thing
Speaker 1: anybody wants is to have federal judges just banging the
Speaker 1: cabal that gabbled and issuing decrees for the entire country
Speaker 1: to follow. When their Lane is Rhode Island. I think
Speaker 1: that's my problem, right, right.
Speaker 3: And and we've talked about this before, ken h A
Speaker 3: being a judge, there's no way to get a judge
Speaker 3: that's not a political function. Right. There's just no way
Speaker 3: to to find somebody anywhere that's not elected or appointed
Speaker 3: or somehow put in their position by something that's not
Speaker 3: political in some way, not the Supreme Court, not the
Speaker 3: county Court at law in Collin County, Texas. There's just
Speaker 3: no way, uh, to to have that, to have that work.
Speaker 3: That's not going to be political. It's just a it's
Speaker 3: just a side of it. And and and when we
Speaker 3: kind of talk about again kind of going back to
Speaker 3: what you were saying about the shutdown, this is what
Speaker 3: we're what we're doing, is we're controlling the bleeding, right, uh,
Speaker 3: And and and and as we're going to see more
Speaker 3: and more and more of these things as certain pools
Speaker 3: of money dry up, as certain pools of needy people
Speaker 3: have their head on the chopping block. Right in this instance,
Speaker 3: it's the snap funds. So as as this thing goes
Speaker 3: on and on and on, Uh, everybody's bleeding out right,
Speaker 3: And and and the politicians will i think come together,
Speaker 3: uh when they see that Okay, now it's going to
Speaker 3: hurt me. You know when when when when the Democrats
Speaker 3: look at this or will the Republicans look at this
Speaker 3: and say, okay, we're taking the blame for this. The
Speaker 3: Democrats are gambling, uh that that you know, health care
Speaker 3: costs and prices, if if those begin to make people hurt,
Speaker 3: they're gambling that they're going to blame the Republicans. Obviously,
Speaker 3: you know Donald Trump to your point at the beginning
Speaker 3: of our conversation, you know, he's kind of hoping that
Speaker 3: that that that that people see it his way that look,
Speaker 3: it's the Democrats that are taking this program hostage, not me.
Speaker 3: And and so as this thing sort of goes on
Speaker 3: and the blood letting continues, at some point, you would
Speaker 3: think that the politicians are going to say, okay, you
Speaker 3: do you do the need of that, and then here
Speaker 3: we go, we're going to get this thing cracked up again.
Speaker 3: So this is exhibit seven, right, this this snap thing.
Speaker 3: You know, we've already been through it with the federal
Speaker 3: employees where we've already been through it with in several
Speaker 3: different sectors. So so yeah, this is this is just
Speaker 3: sort of how this goes. And and if you're the
Speaker 3: Democrats right now, you don't have either House of Congress.
Speaker 3: What you got is are the courts. So that's that's
Speaker 3: where you're going to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you got the you got the usual suspect
Speaker 1: sitting behind the bench. Now this beauty on the U. S.
Speaker 1: District Court, I guess in d C. She by the
Speaker 1: name of Judge Colin Kohor Katelli. We remember her from
Speaker 1: the immigration situation. Trump wants voter registration. You know, you
Speaker 1: have to show an ID when you vote. What a concept?
Speaker 1: You got to do that when you get on an airplane.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you want to do that if you if
Speaker 1: you're if if you want election integrity. But she said no,
Speaker 1: that that's not right. And he he doesn't have the
Speaker 1: right to uh issue that kind of executive order that
Speaker 1: would require voter I d This one, I think does
Speaker 1: go to the Supreme Court. I don't think the other
Speaker 1: one does. I think that everybody is an agreement that
Speaker 1: these forties two million people, somehow, some way need to
Speaker 1: get their federal assistance for food. But I think this
Speaker 1: the other judge, this Colin Caller Katelli.
Speaker 2: Her edict this week. I think this is going to
Speaker 2: Supreme Court.
Speaker 3: Do you agree it could? You know, these executive orders
Speaker 3: certainly have are more broad reaching, and they bring up
Speaker 3: novel issues that we've not really confronted anymore, not the
Speaker 3: least of which is what's the extent what is the
Speaker 3: extent of in the executive order? And where does that
Speaker 3: thing really love in our laws. It's not a statute, right,
Speaker 3: and it's not necessarily a court order or anything like that.
Speaker 3: And so executive authority has certainly been the hottest topic
Speaker 3: I would say of twenty twenty five as far as
Speaker 3: the courts are concerned. So this is going to be
Speaker 3: probably yet another test of that. It's interesting too, because
Speaker 3: and a lot of issues not only the executive's authority,
Speaker 3: but we've also had a lot of issues that deal
Speaker 3: with federal sovereignty versus state sovereignty. Elections are something that
Speaker 3: the states have typically exercised control over. You know, the
Speaker 3: Feds can kind of come in and watch, but you know,
Speaker 3: states typically are are are able to conduct elections in
Speaker 3: the way that they want. They have for you know,
Speaker 3: just by way of example, I watched something the other
Speaker 3: day about ranked choice voting in Alaska, and and that
Speaker 3: that thing would have to I'd have to read that
Speaker 3: seven times to make sure I didn't screw up my ballot,
Speaker 3: you know, because you get to you get to do
Speaker 3: a first choice, in the second choice and a third choice,
Speaker 3: and then they put it in the computer and then
Speaker 3: here's your winner. And sure, okay, if you say so.
Speaker 3: So there're certainly novel issues, and I think that I
Speaker 3: think you're probably right for no other re and then
Speaker 3: you know, again, kind of going back to the very
Speaker 3: beginning of our talk, you know, Trump losing at this
Speaker 3: level is probably a little bit of throwing me into
Speaker 3: the briar patch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And by the way, no matter how many times you
Speaker 1: screw up rank voting in Alaska, you still wind up
Speaker 1: with Lisa Murkowski. Jeremy Rosenthal, it's great to have you
Speaker 1: on a weekend where I know you're working probably on
Speaker 1: a murder one case or something right now, so I
Speaker 1: appreciate your time. You are America's attorney and it's great
Speaker 1: to talk to you again. You have a great rest
Speaker 1: of the weekend, Jeremy. We'll be in touch.
Speaker 3: Joe red Raiders, We're going to be in the Big
Speaker 3: twelve Championship we'll see if the Bearcats can make it
Speaker 3: or not.
Speaker 1: All right, already drinking at this hour in Texas, our
Speaker 1: good buddy Jeremy Rosenthal, Stay.
Speaker 3: Well, my friend, you too, Bye bye.
Speaker 2: It's just it's astounding.
Speaker 1: But no, there's no way in hell that you can
Speaker 1: morally or politically oppose what these two judges did. Telwandy
Speaker 1: and McConnell. And the Democrats know they got Trump over
Speaker 1: a barrel on this thing, but I don't even I
Speaker 1: would like to think he wouldn't appeel him anyway, because
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is getting real. It's all
Speaker 1: fun and games till somebody gets hurt. And apparently that
Speaker 1: people are starting to get hurt with these snap funds.
Speaker 1: We'll see where it goes. My guess is there will
Speaker 1: be action on this early part of next week. It's
Speaker 1: twelve twenty six, it's Saturday. We got a lot to
Speaker 1: get to between now at three o'clock on seven hundred
Speaker 1: w welw alreday here in the Tri State and glad
Speaker 1: you are with us. The weather has really modern. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it rained a lot this
Speaker 1: past week, but I swear to god I was out
Speaker 1: on I seventy one, and I saw a guy with
Speaker 1: a boat looking for two of everything, but.
Speaker 2: Not this weekend.
Speaker 1: Nice last night for the kids, and trick or treating
Speaker 1: nice today. Tomorrow is going to be good for the Bengals.
Speaker 1: We'll see if the Bengals are good for the weather tomorrow. Nevertheless,
Speaker 1: it looks like they're stabilizing here and that is a
Speaker 1: good thing. In Columbus, it's a bit of an adventure.
Speaker 1: Ohio State ten, penn State seven. That's with six minutes
Speaker 1: and eighteen seconds to go in the first half. Texas
Speaker 1: twenty four Vanderbilt three. They're playing that one in Austin,
Speaker 1: number twenty, Texas number nine Vanderbilt nine, twenty two to go.
Speaker 1: On the second quarter, Miami and SMU tied at seven.
Speaker 1: Miami the number ten team in the country and number
Speaker 1: twenty two Houston at home losing to West Virginia twenty
Speaker 1: one to fourteen is the score in that game. Of course,
Speaker 1: there are many other games later on this afternoon, not
Speaker 1: the least of which, and the one that we're all
Speaker 1: looking forward to is the game tonight between the University
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati and the University of Utah out in Salt
Speaker 1: Lake City. A couple of things on this game. One,
Speaker 1: I can't believe that Cincinnati is a ten point underdog,
Speaker 1: but if you put that up against some factors that
Speaker 1: maybe you're not thinking of. I certainly was until I
Speaker 1: heard that everybody thinks Denver and the thin air that
Speaker 1: Denver has this great advantage in that it's the thin
Speaker 1: air in Denver that visiting teams struggle with. Well, it's
Speaker 1: kind of the same thing in Salt Lake City. The
Speaker 1: air does get thing. I was in Utah, southern Utah
Speaker 1: about three years ago and was backpacking through some of
Speaker 1: the rocks there, you know, the down in Moab and
Speaker 1: places like that. I was backpacking and it got to me.
Speaker 1: I could feel it was difficult to breathe. And it
Speaker 1: was not for anything to do with the kind of
Speaker 1: physical shape I'm in. It was just it's difficult to breathe.
Speaker 1: So that could be a mitigating factor and why the
Speaker 1: line on this game is the way it is. The
Speaker 1: Other thing that could be is it's a late start.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it, it may be a an
Speaker 1: eight to fifteen kickoff in Utah, but it's also ten
Speaker 1: to fifteen for the visiting team back home. So the
Speaker 1: team is going to have a lot of time today
Speaker 1: to kill. Somebody asked Brendan sorosby the U SEE quarterback,
Speaker 1: you know you're going to take a nap, take many naps?
Speaker 1: What are you going to do between now, which would
Speaker 1: be like right now and the game tonight.
Speaker 2: Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 5: It could be, you know, multiple short naps and then
Speaker 5: we got watching it with football. Take another nap. Could
Speaker 5: just be one long nap where you know you're dreaming
Speaker 5: and stuff. You catch that rim cycle. We don't know,
Speaker 5: we'll see. Yeah, it's kind of like Thanksgiving. A lot
Speaker 5: of people sleep through Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: But college football is it's just hit its stride right now. Indiana,
Speaker 1: who thought Indiana would be number two in the country.
Speaker 1: They're at Maryland today and that's a three thirty start,
Speaker 1: and we've got Kentucky and Mark Stoops fighting for his life.
Speaker 1: That team is at Auburn today. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: going on in college football. And when there is a
Speaker 1: lot going on in college football, we like to welcome
Speaker 1: in someone who I think knows more about it than
Speaker 1: anybody I know. And he writes for the Athletic Dot
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Speaker 1: and it's great to welcome in Stuart Mandel here to
Speaker 1: seven hundred w wel w and Stuart, how are you
Speaker 1: on this glorious game day?
Speaker 6: I'm great, Ken Howard thinking my hometown.
Speaker 2: Ooh man. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: It's percolating on a number of different levels, one way
Speaker 1: for the bear Cast, the other way for the Bengals,
Speaker 1: but believe the Bengals aside. How much of a surprise
Speaker 1: to you were the Bearcats or have the Bearcats been
Speaker 1: this season? Because it seems like a lot of the
Speaker 1: national guys are wondering exactly where this team came from.
Speaker 1: Are they a surprise to you.
Speaker 6: Absolutely pleasant surprise. It didn't see it from a from
Speaker 6: a you.
Speaker 7: Know, obviously as a your national you don't know the
Speaker 7: ins and outs of a program.
Speaker 6: You don't. I don't, you know, I wouldn't.
Speaker 7: I don't know, Like in the off season, right, I
Speaker 7: couldn't have told you their personnel and depth. Obviously I
Speaker 7: knew their quarterback, but it just didn't seem the first
Speaker 7: couple of years in the Big.
Speaker 3: Twelve really.
Speaker 7: Done anything to indicate it would give you the sign
Speaker 7: that like, oh yeah, things are on the up. They
Speaker 7: obviously had a big win last year or a issue.
Speaker 7: It kind of got discounted because they didn't have Sam
Speaker 7: Levit in that game. So and then they played the
Speaker 7: first game against Nebraska, and right, it would have been
Speaker 7: if they had upset Nebraska, right, that would have really
Speaker 7: some chocolate. So it really took a few weeks, maybe
Speaker 7: even more to realize like, oh yeah, actually these guys
Speaker 7: are pretty good and out of one for Tony and
Speaker 7: I thought, actually last week's when was probably the most
Speaker 7: impressive yet just lining up and running it down my throat,
Speaker 7: you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it was, and I think it's it's going to
Speaker 1: be maybe the showcase game that your colleague, Justin Williams
Speaker 1: at the at the Athletic has at the second best
Speaker 1: game in college football today, certainly tonight, but in the
Speaker 1: in the game day, I'm just you know, I think
Speaker 1: in college football anymore, if you've got a quarterback, and
Speaker 1: the quarterback can maneuver and maneuver with players he might
Speaker 1: not be completely familiar with because of the portal and whatnot,
Speaker 1: I think you've got a leg up. And here's Brendan Soresby,
Speaker 1: who's just I marvel at what he does on a
Speaker 1: daily basis. He kind of reminds me in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways of Baker Mayfield and just his escapability and
Speaker 1: his ability to make plays where there none seemed to be.
Speaker 1: But that's everything in college football today. If you've got
Speaker 1: a quarterback that can do that, the ceiling is pretty high,
Speaker 1: is it not.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And give them a lot of credit because you know,
Speaker 7: unfortunately these days, if you have a good quarterback, the
Speaker 7: next thing you have to do is make sure they
Speaker 7: don't leave, you know, especially if a big ten or
Speaker 7: SEC program, a deep pocket program is going to come calling.
Speaker 7: But I know they gave him a really nice deal
Speaker 7: kept for Insource. He kept them in place, and boy
Speaker 7: has he really shined this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they went out and got wide receivers to
Speaker 1: throw to. He didn't have anybody really of any note
Speaker 1: last season. But now he's got Jeff cald Well, he's
Speaker 1: got Cyrus Allen, he's got Caleb Goodie, he's got the
Speaker 1: tight end that came prancing down seventy one from Ohio State,
Speaker 1: Joe Royer. So he's got weapons to throw too, and
Speaker 1: they've got some stability on defense. And quite frankly, it
Speaker 1: was a year ago this time when a lot of
Speaker 1: people were wondering if Scott Saderfield had what it takes
Speaker 1: to coaching the Big twelve. I don't think it's that
Speaker 1: way anymore. I think they've they've figured out this whole
Speaker 1: portal thing quickly, where a lot of their continent operas
Speaker 1: are struggling. What off teams, what of coaching staffs? Figure
Speaker 1: it out? And others don't. Is it all money? Is
Speaker 1: it all deals in this day and age, or what else?
Speaker 1: What else could it be?
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, I was one.
Speaker 7: Of the skeptics of Scott got Batterfield, So kudos to
Speaker 7: him for for kind of putting those doubts to rest Well,
Speaker 7: I think it's twofold. In terms of your question, Yes,
Speaker 7: you got to have an I own money, nobody nobody
Speaker 7: that's winning these days doing it without paying their player
Speaker 7: as well. But also you got to get the right players.
Speaker 7: And I mean, for State spent a ton of money
Speaker 7: on their transfers the last two years and they're terrible.
Speaker 7: They they either picked the wrong players or they haven't
Speaker 7: dissolved them. Well, you know, so it's not like, Okay,
Speaker 7: we made a bunch of deals with ignorantee of success.
Speaker 7: Right maybe if you're Texas Tech and your billionaire get
Speaker 7: you like all the best transfers.
Speaker 6: But so yeah, step one is having the money and
Speaker 6: the resources and frankly a lot.
Speaker 3: Of money, but.
Speaker 7: Knowing how to allocate it, especially with the revenue share now.
Speaker 7: But step two is finding the right players. And I
Speaker 7: do think that sometimes, you know, in terms of high
Speaker 7: score recruiting, like high score recruiting, they start studying those
Speaker 7: guys as sophomores, maybe even earlier, do a lot of
Speaker 7: time to evaluate high score cruit transfer portal. Kid who
Speaker 7: was in the portal on Tuesday, he's visiting your campus
Speaker 7: on Thursday.
Speaker 6: And so I do think a lot of people.
Speaker 7: You know, miss because they don't have a lot of
Speaker 7: time frankly to scout these guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and the other thing too, I think the successful
Speaker 1: stabs are stabs that actually know what culture is. You
Speaker 1: hear a lot of coaches preach about culture and family
Speaker 1: and all that other stuff, but to actually implement it.
Speaker 2: Is another thing.
Speaker 1: In this day and age, you go back ten years
Speaker 1: ago to use your recruiting analogy. That's how you acquired players.
Speaker 1: You might get a transfer, sure, but most of your
Speaker 1: roster camp recruiting. So the player would arrive as freshman
Speaker 1: and then learn to integrate his self into what other
Speaker 1: players are and where they're from and all that in
Speaker 1: essence grow up together. Now it's not that way, and
Speaker 1: culture becomes so much more important because if you don't
Speaker 1: have that, if you don't have an inclusive culture, people
Speaker 1: aren't going to get to know each other, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you have dysfunction. I think that's what's
Speaker 1: happening at a lot of these schools.
Speaker 3: Right The athletic My colleagues are the athletic.
Speaker 7: Christ Fldman Ropperso had an excellent story of Friday about
Speaker 7: what went wrong for Brian Kelly Lsu and that was
Speaker 7: that was a big, big part of it, because there
Speaker 7: was an assistant in there quoted saying, it's actually more
Speaker 7: important now than ever because you are bringing in, in
Speaker 7: many ways, a whole new roster every year and you
Speaker 7: don't have a lot of time to get guys you know,
Speaker 7: kind of familiar with your culture and your system and
Speaker 7: bought in.
Speaker 6: And so I think a.
Speaker 7: Lot of these times when we see highly touted teams,
Speaker 7: Oh they got a great portal class, they're gonna be
Speaker 7: great this year, and they fall apart, it's because of that.
Speaker 7: You can't just have a band of guys who come
Speaker 7: in from all over the place.
Speaker 6: And I mean it's not the NFL, right, the NFL.
Speaker 7: These guys professionals, They change teams, they know what to do.
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's really important.
Speaker 7: I mean look at Indiana clearly, for Signetti has built
Speaker 7: a plan and a culture there and they get guys
Speaker 7: to come and buy in and they're out there kicking
Speaker 7: the race bus. They do not have obviously the kind
Speaker 7: of resources that Ohio State or Michigan have, but.
Speaker 6: They got it right. I mean they really did.
Speaker 3: Like they are one of these team.
Speaker 2: Programs that got their portal guys, right, Yeah, and they
Speaker 2: got a quarterback.
Speaker 1: They have Mendoza, and you know where he didn't work
Speaker 1: at one school, he's working there. So you would have
Speaker 1: to think, for example, with Signetti in Bloomington, you would
Speaker 1: have to think that a he knows what he's doing,
Speaker 1: and he is a staff that knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1: But it kind of it doesn't You know, you're right,
Speaker 1: you could throw an all star team together, but it
Speaker 1: it doesn't always work, and oftentimes it doesn't work. So
Speaker 1: I look at Indiana if you're if you're surprised by
Speaker 1: what has happened here in the at the University of
Speaker 1: Sin today, I'm surprised by what's going on at Indiana.
Speaker 1: I thought they'd be good, but number two in the country,
Speaker 1: no way. Were you surprised or are you surprised that
Speaker 1: they are number two in the country.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess not now, But I thought that. I mean,
Speaker 7: I knew people were sleeping on them coming to this season.
Speaker 7: I thought they would still be really good, but they've
Speaker 7: just taken it to a whole other level. I mean,
Speaker 7: they're different.
Speaker 8: I thought, you know, uh Rourke was a really good
Speaker 8: quarterback with Brandom.
Speaker 7: And Doza is on a whole other level. And their defense,
Speaker 7: their defense.
Speaker 6: Is really taking a step up. We got them last.
Speaker 7: Year, you know, and when they finally you know, first
Speaker 7: of all they had they had such a week competition
Speaker 7: for most last year, you didn't really know how good
Speaker 7: they were. And then when they finally got to Ohio
Speaker 7: State and that's a Notre Dame, they really got exposed
Speaker 7: in the trenches this year. They played Iowa very early
Speaker 7: in the season. Obviously, the game at Oregon, and I
Speaker 7: mean the game against Illinois obviously was the most eye opening.
Speaker 3: And they are.
Speaker 7: Kicking every respot physically, so really good team. At first,
Speaker 7: I said, you know, people would say in Indiana win
Speaker 7: the national championship, and I say, absolutely not. They're really good,
Speaker 7: They're not on that level. I do now think you
Speaker 7: have to take them seriously.
Speaker 6: As the national championship contender.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Chattiwi Stewart Mandeldiathletic dot com. We're talking college football,
Speaker 1: you see, and Utah later on tonight. I guess at
Speaker 1: the other end of the spectrum is the University of Kentucky.
Speaker 1: And I hate to speculate on anybody's job, but I
Speaker 1: would think the clock is running out on Mark Stoops.
Speaker 1: They've lost some games in the SEC this year, and
Speaker 1: other than the loss to Georgia, I'm sorry, other than
Speaker 1: the last Tech lost to Texas, they've been basically blown out.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm wondering, are you seeing the same thing too,
Speaker 1: that maybe this isn't going to be a happy ending
Speaker 1: at the end of the year for Stoops.
Speaker 7: Other than yeah, a very nice buyout, it seems like
Speaker 7: the Kentucky fans have really given up on them for sure.
Speaker 7: Now I'm from a distance saying care for what you
Speaker 7: wish for. I mean, he had the best run of
Speaker 7: any Kentucky coach in Spare Bryant. It hasn't been as
Speaker 7: great recently, to say the least. They kind of bottomed out.
Speaker 7: But you know, you look at this market, this coaching cycle,
Speaker 7: and all the jobs that are already opened, some very
Speaker 7: attractive jobs in there. There are not enough good coaches
Speaker 7: to go around. There are not we might see twelve thirteen,
Speaker 7: fifteen powerful jobs open, and there are not fifteen really
Speaker 7: good candidates out there. So if you're Kentucky and you're
Speaker 7: kind of further down the pecking order, you know, how
Speaker 7: can you be sure, you're actually going to upgrade for
Speaker 7: Mark Stoops, but look, program has to deal with I mean,
Speaker 7: this is this is a this is you're playing for
Speaker 7: the fans, right, You've got to You've got to keep
Speaker 7: your fans engaged. And for instance, with Penn State, a
Speaker 7: lot of people who maybe weren't as familiar were like,
Speaker 7: how can they fire a dance? Franklin, you got such
Speaker 7: a good record, And I said, did you did you
Speaker 7: see after they lost to Northwestern at home? I mean,
Speaker 7: I've never seen a crowd be so nasty to the coach.
Speaker 4: They they had to pull the plug.
Speaker 6: And you know, I'm not.
Speaker 7: There in Kentucky to know whether it's reached that depth
Speaker 7: just yet.
Speaker 1: It's not good, I can tell you that. And fans
Speaker 1: are reactive anyway to begin with. So but given the
Speaker 1: fact that I mean, he's you know, he played Texas
Speaker 1: tough and had a chance to win that game, but
Speaker 1: there was some questionable coaching calls in the overtime of
Speaker 1: that game. But I mean have with Tennessee and with
Speaker 1: South Carolina, with Georgia and it, I mean, they weren't
Speaker 1: even really the same that they didn't go along on
Speaker 1: the same field with those teams it was, so I
Speaker 1: think that's probably part of the problem that's exacerbated his situation.
Speaker 1: What games are you watching today? Are you going to
Speaker 1: go to any or or are you going to just
Speaker 1: be a television addict today?
Speaker 7: You know most weeks now and just a television addicts.
Speaker 7: I need to the verses of my job. It's more
Speaker 7: important for me to see all the games instead of
Speaker 7: just some of the games. The YouTube TV might make
Speaker 7: that difficult for me. Thankful, We'll see what happens there.
Speaker 7: It's you know, it's one of those weeks where I
Speaker 7: look at the matchups and I'm like, something crazy is
Speaker 7: going to happen. I don't know what exactly, something crazy
Speaker 7: is going to happen. I am interested to see Vanderbilk
Speaker 7: go to Texas because Vandy, you know, is kind of the.
Speaker 6: Talk of college football right now, and Texas is not.
Speaker 7: Then what we thought they would be, and arch manning
Speaker 7: status is in doubt. So you know that really that
Speaker 7: really interests me in a lot of front. Interested to
Speaker 7: see a cocktail party in Georgia and Florida because in
Speaker 7: that game, it never matters. You know, Florida fired their coach.
Speaker 7: They know a great record doesn't matter, Like I guarant
Speaker 7: to you, they will. They will show up to that
Speaker 7: game and then an interesting swing game if you will,
Speaker 7: USC and Nebraska because whoever wins that it becomes talked
Speaker 7: about as possibly a fourth they can playoff team, and
Speaker 7: whoever loses is definitely out. But I will say the
Speaker 7: game I am most excited for all the game is
Speaker 7: definitely Cincinnati Utah. I guess you guys got to stay
Speaker 7: up late.
Speaker 6: For that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's it's you know, there's a blessing
Speaker 1: and occurs to that, but no, no, I think if
Speaker 1: there's a reason to stay up late tonight, it's Cincinnati Utah.
Speaker 1: And the schedule kind of falls nicely because right before
Speaker 1: that you've got Oklahoma Tennessee, so you could you'll probably
Speaker 1: be able to get it most if not all, of
Speaker 1: that Oklahoma Tennessee game and before Cincinnati and Utah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: great catching up with you, Stuart Stewartmandel Theathletic dot Com.
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Speaker 1: Stuart thanks. Well, you know we'll be calling down the road.
Speaker 1: Thanks all right, thank you, bet anytime, anytime. Seventeen to seven,
Speaker 1: Ohio State over Penn State. Just under two minutes to
Speaker 1: go in the first half of that game up in
Speaker 1: Columbus and IU at Maryland is going to be another one.
Speaker 1: We're about two hours away from that kickoff. Iun two
Speaker 1: in the country, number two in the country. Kirk Signetti
Speaker 1: has got that program up to heights. It is rarely seen. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: for US, it is one twenty six on this Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 1: Straight ahead. FC Cincinnati can make short work of Columbus,
Speaker 1: will they. We'll chat with a soccer influencer of great
Speaker 1: note here in the greater Cincinnati area. Next on seven
Speaker 1: hundred wlw WLW Welcome back. I'm ken Brew two o'clock.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump works well on the international stage nationally. You
Speaker 1: sit a few roadblocks thanks to these whack them old
Speaker 1: judges running around in their robes banging their gabbles on
Speaker 1: anything they could find. Snap seems to be the big
Speaker 1: thing now. Is Snap a sham? And are we really
Speaker 1: getting the true story from the media regarding Snap? Well,
Speaker 1: the answer to the true story from the media on
Speaker 1: anything is no, but we're going to get into that
Speaker 1: at two o'clock. Meanwhile, tomorrow, oh wait, no, one more thing.
Speaker 1: Ohio State seventeen, Penn State fourteen seventeen fourteen, Ohio State
Speaker 1: at the half up in Columbus. Meanwhile, as we can
Speaker 1: say now, tomorrow night in Columbus, it's game two between
Speaker 1: the Columbus Crew and your FC Cincinnati. FC Cincinnati up
Speaker 1: one game to none in the best of three. They
Speaker 1: win tomorrow, it's over. They lose. They're back here next
Speaker 1: weekend for match number three. FC Cincinnati can end it
Speaker 1: tomorrow six thirty kick in Columbus. In the hell is
Speaker 1: real Dettterby playoff? By the way, I mean, isn't that
Speaker 1: a little contentious when you hear these announcers say Derby,
Speaker 1: the thing is spelled Derby. That's Derby, not Dutterby. It's
Speaker 1: like it's you know, we're in the middle of County Cork. No,
Speaker 1: it's Derby. Nevertheless, detr By Derby. We welcome in one
Speaker 1: of the great soccer influencers in the greater Cincinnati area.
Speaker 1: He's our good buddy DJ Sweitzer, and he's standing by
Speaker 1: to join us right now to talk about this Game
Speaker 1: two between Columbus and FC Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: DJ, how are you on this glorious day.
Speaker 6: I'm great, Ken, glad to be joining you once again.
Speaker 1: Why do they call it detrby when it's really spelled
Speaker 1: derby d erb Why can you explain to me why
Speaker 1: they do that on Apple TV?
Speaker 2: I'm mesmerized by this.
Speaker 8: I think it's a bit leaning into the way the
Speaker 8: English pronouncers technically say it, so I think it's another
Speaker 8: one of those little English uganisms, squeaking its way in there.
Speaker 1: So in England, then when they say something isn't going right,
Speaker 1: would they say something ain't going right just to lean
Speaker 1: into America a little bit?
Speaker 2: Do you think that happens?
Speaker 6: Maybe during the NFL broadcast, you know.
Speaker 1: So this match that was down here on Monday night,
Speaker 1: I thought, clearly FC Cincinnati played the better game. I
Speaker 1: thought they had the better opportunities, couldn't put the ball
Speaker 1: in the back of the net for various reasons. But
Speaker 1: I think By and Laura je FC Cincinnati fairly dominated
Speaker 1: that game. Was I watching the same game you were watching?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 8: I mean it was definitely, you know, a match where
Speaker 8: two different teams are really playing two different styles of soccer,
Speaker 8: and we definitely saw some ways where both teams had
Speaker 8: some opportunities, but at Sea since A definitely were the
Speaker 8: side that had the better of the opportunities. They had
Speaker 8: better expected goals, better chances overall, more chances overall. They
Speaker 8: definitely looked the SA that dominated and I'm not at
Speaker 8: all surprised they came away with the win.
Speaker 1: I was so afraid during that match because we've seen
Speaker 1: this several times this year where they dominate a match
Speaker 1: and they can't put the ball on the back of
Speaker 1: the net. And was it more of what they weren't doing?
Speaker 1: Were they Is this still something that dogs them even
Speaker 1: though they've made changes, radical changes with the folks up front,
Speaker 1: or was it just the way Columbus plays And it's
Speaker 1: one of those matchups what side do you fall on?
Speaker 8: So I think it's a bit more on how Columbus plays.
Speaker 8: They're a very possession oriented, conservative type of side where
Speaker 8: they like to hold on the ball and they like
Speaker 8: to get men behind the ball and it's a very
Speaker 8: tough nut to crack sometimes and even with the firepower
Speaker 8: that pat Noun has at a disposal.
Speaker 6: With the Secason Snatty squad.
Speaker 8: It can be tough to break it down, and like
Speaker 8: you said, a couple of those opportunities that went, you know,
Speaker 8: without a finish early on in the match. It definitely
Speaker 8: leaves you nervous, and it's one of those things as
Speaker 8: you get later on in the match that you're like, geez,
Speaker 8: that they don't convert one e Columbus sneaks in here.
Speaker 1: I thought a vander who's obviously their best player, but
Speaker 1: I thought it was guilty of playing a little hero
Speaker 1: ball in that game.
Speaker 2: Did you feel the same way, Well.
Speaker 8: I mean, he's the type of player that's always trying
Speaker 8: to unlock and come up with some of those creativity
Speaker 8: type of moments, so you can't really fall him. It's
Speaker 8: kind of in his nature. But there were some times
Speaker 8: where he probably chose something a little bit more extraving him,
Speaker 8: where a simple opportunity might have been an easier finish.
Speaker 1: There was a little bit of news from FC Cincinnati
Speaker 1: this week. First of all, Roman Celentana was honored with
Speaker 1: the Save of the Year and it was just an
Speaker 1: incredible save that occurred, actually a series of saves that
Speaker 1: occurred earlier this year, and you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: where this club would be without Celentano. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: every goalkeeper is going to have it off night. But
Speaker 1: the fact that he was honored this week I think
Speaker 1: is nice. But I think it speaks at his consistency
Speaker 1: and this is what you need at this time of
Speaker 1: the year is solid goalkeeping. I would think they're probably
Speaker 1: trying to scratch their heads in Columbus leading into this
Speaker 1: game tomorrow and night to figure out, Okay, how do
Speaker 1: we deal with this dude?
Speaker 2: Even if that back line for.
Speaker 1: Cincinnati is as stout as it is, what do you
Speaker 1: think is going through the minds of the Columbus crew
Speaker 1: and how to deal with Celentano?
Speaker 8: Well, I think Columbus's main priority right now is scoring goals.
Speaker 8: It's not something that they've had exactly a lot of
Speaker 8: success with over the last month the month and a
Speaker 8: half of the season, really mean, many times they've had
Speaker 8: more than one outside of the kind of an outlier
Speaker 8: game in Atlanta towards the beginning of September. So they're
Speaker 8: just looking to find answers offensively all the time, not
Speaker 8: necessarily as to get past Roman. But I think their
Speaker 8: big thing is they're going to try to hold onto
Speaker 8: the ball as much as they can and try to
Speaker 8: make sure that SEC don't have those opportunities to split
Speaker 8: forward and break forward and have some of those counter
Speaker 8: attacking chances that they tend to create in the flow
Speaker 8: of play. So I think they're really going to be
Speaker 8: concerned with can we hold onto the ball out last
Speaker 8: that FCC scoring opportunities and maybe pit something out of
Speaker 8: our kind of weekend attack.
Speaker 1: And then the other honor was Nick Hagland wins MLS
Speaker 1: Comeback Player of the Year. I mean, his injury last
Speaker 1: season was just horrific, but I was really happy to
Speaker 1: see it on a number of levels. One, he seems
Speaker 1: like a decent dude. Second, he's from here, and third
Speaker 1: when he's in that lineup, it's it's a little bit
Speaker 1: different look for them.
Speaker 2: Hagland.
Speaker 1: You know, some people looked at him and wondered, and
Speaker 1: I was certainly one of them before his injury last year,
Speaker 1: like maybe, you know, as a game really passed this
Speaker 1: guy by, But it really hasn't, has it.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 8: I mean, Nick is a guy who keeps defining or
Speaker 8: redefining what type of player he is and kind of
Speaker 8: meeting and exceeding the expectations A lot of people said
Speaker 8: for him when he first arrived here. Obviously, he came,
Speaker 8: you know, in those first couple of seasons with the
Speaker 8: SCC when they're trying to make their mark in the league,
Speaker 8: and he has a great pedigree, whined a championship up
Speaker 8: in Toronto. It wasn't exactly a guy that you would
Speaker 8: be like, that's a mark he's signing. But Nick just
Speaker 8: had a habit of sticking around and finding his way
Speaker 8: to be useful for the team. Well again, that first
Speaker 8: name that really jumps out on the back line when
Speaker 8: he's in there. They seem to have their stuff together
Speaker 8: and it is exciting to see what he's going to
Speaker 8: be able to do with him next or this weekend.
Speaker 8: Is he again is going to have to step into
Speaker 8: that role.
Speaker 1: Do you think this thing goes to a third game?
Speaker 1: How do you think this plays out tomorrow night?
Speaker 8: I mean, as far as things go in Columbus, that
Speaker 8: SCC haven't exactly had the best run up there. They've
Speaker 8: only won once and I think seven trips to Columbus.
Speaker 8: Although it's gotten a little bit better over the last year.
Speaker 8: They're one zero to one where they had a win
Speaker 8: and a draw. So I think there's an opportunity to
Speaker 8: go up to Columbus and get a win, but they're
Speaker 8: going to have to get that goal early and set
Speaker 8: Columbus on their back foots so that they're.
Speaker 6: Not just clogging up that field for the rest of
Speaker 6: the match.
Speaker 1: You know this, this this series seems so elongated. You're
Speaker 1: playing three matches in roughly two weeks. It's just I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never played the game professionally. When
Speaker 1: I did play, I wasn't that good as an amateur.
Speaker 1: In fact, I was so poor as an amateur I
Speaker 1: don't think I played beyond youth. But the fact of
Speaker 1: the matter is, it seems like that they could could,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe tighten us up a little bit. Is
Speaker 1: three matches inside of two weeks too long or is
Speaker 1: that about right for you?
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, obviously the international window from Major League
Speaker 8: Soccer is coming into play here a little bit and
Speaker 8: causing some of these long layoffs in between the matches,
Speaker 8: which is less than ideal but probably best from a
Speaker 8: player perspective. I do think the players probably would prefer
Speaker 8: a little bit of time off, so there's an opportunity
Speaker 8: for recuperation. Obviously, the turnaround between this last game and
Speaker 8: this one is it's fairly tight, but then we get
Speaker 8: this big jump in between games two and three, so
Speaker 8: it really becomes a question of you know, do you
Speaker 8: want to have that break? And I think right now
Speaker 8: this banged U s Cconcinty team will take a little
Speaker 8: bit of time and get some of these other guys
Speaker 8: back into the lineup if they can.
Speaker 1: Now, I asked you the question before last. How does
Speaker 1: this thing play out? I'm going to pin you down.
Speaker 1: Do they win to borrow night?
Speaker 6: I think this is that same game to loose? So yeah,
Speaker 6: I think I think they've got it here this weekend.
Speaker 1: Ken, Right, So we're coming, We're looking for you. If
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen, I'm just gonna let you know. Is
Speaker 1: that all right? We'll be looking at now.
Speaker 4: I'll da you.
Speaker 1: DJ Sweitzer soccer influencer. By the way, what is a
Speaker 1: soccer influencer?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 8: Just run in my mouth about the sport when other
Speaker 8: people don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1: What of about what about a million and a half
Speaker 1: here in the greater Cincinnati area?
Speaker 2: All right, DJ, stay well, you know we'll be in touch.
Speaker 6: Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Game will be on ESPN fifteen thirty tomorrow, night. You
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Speaker 2: Tonight on ESPN fifteen thirty. So we've got a.
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Speaker 1: We have one more hour to go, and that would
Speaker 1: be from now until three we count down to UC
Speaker 1: football and that's a long countdown. Kickoff is not until
Speaker 1: ten fifteen tonight out in Utah, Utah, as they used
Speaker 1: to say back in the old neighborhood, the starting quarterback
Speaker 1: for Utah is a guy named Devin damp Here. He's
Speaker 1: very good, but he's been hurt. Even in his absence
Speaker 1: last week, the backup bird Fickland, played very well.
Speaker 2: Either way, it.
Speaker 1: Sounds like you see HAD football coach Scott Centerfield has
Speaker 1: his team prepared.
Speaker 9: And obviously, you know, Napier is their guy, and if
Speaker 9: he's healthy and then we anticipate him playing and you know,
Speaker 9: but now for them, they got to feel really good
Speaker 9: about the fact that they got another guy that can
Speaker 9: put in there and had an outstanding game and think
Speaker 9: he was.
Speaker 2: A Big twelve Player of the Week this past week.
Speaker 9: So but I think, you know, it's what they do
Speaker 9: team wise, you just have to defend that whole offense.
Speaker 1: Be in about an hour and a half out in
Speaker 1: Maryland College Park, Maryland, it will be the Terps against
Speaker 1: number two Indiana. I don't think a lot of people,
Speaker 1: as we talked about with Stuart Mandela an hour ago,
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people really saw this
Speaker 1: coming for Indiana, and a lot of people are wondering
Speaker 1: what the success is or why.
Speaker 9: And obviously you know Nampier is their guy and he's healthy.
Speaker 1: No, that's the wrong guy. This guy is Kurt Signetti.
Speaker 1: He's their head coach. So what's the reason. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a reason for this.
Speaker 6: You know, the thing we ask our guys that do
Speaker 6: is play every play.
Speaker 9: Like it's nothing, nothing, game on the line, and from
Speaker 9: beginning then, regardless of the competitive circumstances.
Speaker 6: And I think they've bought into that message.
Speaker 1: Well they have, and they're they're very good and again
Speaker 1: taking on Maryland today and favored despite being on the
Speaker 1: road UK at Auburn later on tonight, so we are
Speaker 1: now into our second month of the government shutdown, and
Speaker 1: to most of us, we have not been affected. Unless
Speaker 1: you work for the military, or you're someone who is
Speaker 1: working for government agencies like the air traffic controllers, or
Speaker 1: it may be somebody that relies on federal funding, it's
Speaker 1: probably not affected your life all that much. It's about
Speaker 1: to particularly with the situation that is going on with
Speaker 1: the ATC and how there may be delays and flights
Speaker 1: and whatnot. And it's also affected SNAP SNAP, which is
Speaker 1: a term for Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, and those are benefits,
Speaker 1: and those benefits help those who maybe have food shortages
Speaker 1: in their life or no food in their life. But remember,
Speaker 1: not too long ago, there was the one big beautiful
Speaker 1: bill that was passed by Congress, and in that one
Speaker 1: big beautiful bill, that particular program was really dug into
Speaker 1: to remove most refugees, asylum seekers, trafficking and domestic violence victims,
Speaker 1: and other legal immigrants. About ninety thousand people will lose
Speaker 1: SNAP in an average month according to what the Big
Speaker 1: Beautiful Bill is all about. But now we're hearing that
Speaker 1: forty two million people are going to be affected because
Speaker 1: of the government shutdown. And not being able to continue
Speaker 1: funding SNAP. It's complicated, and there have been gross abuses
Speaker 1: of SNAP since the Democrats got that program up and running.
Speaker 1: For example, this is from it's a federal I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: this is a federal This is a report from the
Speaker 1: Department of Health and Human Services.
Speaker 2: And this is the quote.
Speaker 1: Federal, state and local spending on refugees and asylum seekers,
Speaker 1: including food, healthcare, education, and other expenses, totaled four hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty seven billion with a B dollars from two
Speaker 1: thousand and five to twenty nineteen. Again, that's from the
Speaker 1: Department of Health and Human Services and during that time,
Speaker 1: twenty one percent of refugees and asylum seekers received SNAP benefits.
Speaker 1: The Big Beautiful Bill cut that out, But look at
Speaker 1: the abuse that went on before the one Big Beautiful Bill,
Speaker 1: and it makes you wonder if that was that program
Speaker 1: was so corrupt, Well, what is it now? Who is
Speaker 1: it serving now? And Trump's got a problem. We've got
Speaker 1: a couple of problems with this one. He has two judges.
Speaker 2: John J.
Speaker 1: McConnell maybe the most politically compromised judge in the country.
Speaker 2: He operates out of the U. S. District Court of
Speaker 2: Rhode Island.
Speaker 1: He was a political operative for the Democrat Party in
Speaker 1: Rhode Island and contributed to Democrat candidates. Begged two Democrat
Speaker 1: senators to appoint him to the bench there in the
Speaker 1: District Court, and he so was. He issued a ruling
Speaker 1: on Snap, as did Judge in Deira Taiwani of the
Speaker 1: US District Court for Massachusetts. The two rulings that came
Speaker 1: down yesterday seem to be in conflict with each other,
Speaker 1: and it also seems, at least from what I'm reading,
Speaker 1: it also seems to raise the specter that there is
Speaker 1: this slush fund of about five and a half billion
Speaker 1: dollars that could be paid right now to eliminate the
Speaker 1: SNAP problem, except that five and a have billion wouldn't
Speaker 1: pay for a full month. The program costs the federal
Speaker 1: government about nine billion dollars monthly, and it's not clear
Speaker 1: whether or not that they can dip into that money legally.
Speaker 1: And so the Trump administration is looking for some guidance
Speaker 1: from these two judges that don't be don't seem to
Speaker 1: be in sync with each other. Meanwhile, there's a giant
Speaker 1: political problem that Trump has, and when it comes to politics,
Speaker 1: why not turn to one of the finest political minds
Speaker 1: of our time. He is doctor Frank Sorrentino, noted political
Speaker 1: pundon and also someone who has written the definitive history
Speaker 1: of American presidents. And I asked doctor Sorrentino to join
Speaker 1: me today and he's absolutely delighted. I'm told he's standing
Speaker 1: by online too, So let's go to him, Doctor Sorrentino,
Speaker 1: how are you on this glorious.
Speaker 10: Saturday, doing wonderful and it's a pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're with us here. Doctor. A lot of
Speaker 2: things percolating.
Speaker 1: First of all, I think if I look at Donald
Speaker 1: Trump right now, what I see is kind of a
Speaker 1: micro cosm of his presidency. He succeeds internationally, he settles wars,
Speaker 1: he makes deals with countries that brings dollars into America.
Speaker 1: All things percolating rather well there, except perhaps on the
Speaker 1: Ukraine Russia front. And then when you get back home,
Speaker 1: he's got tremendous problems. He's got problems with the opposing
Speaker 1: party that doesn't want to do business with him. He's
Speaker 1: got problems with regards to his own party. He has
Speaker 1: people that call themselves Republicans, but they're really Democrats, and
Speaker 1: it makes it difficult for him to get things done
Speaker 1: where in the middle of a government shutdown. So why
Speaker 1: is this guy so good internationally getting things done but
Speaker 1: so snyming on so many fronts? Want with what he
Speaker 1: wants to get done by things here at home?
Speaker 10: Well, I think there is a divide in America, and
Speaker 10: this divide is much more polarized and deeper. So it
Speaker 10: transcends Trump. But Trump has his own style which in
Speaker 10: some ways exacerbates some of that polarization and tension that exists.
Speaker 10: So he's both a product of that polarization which put
Speaker 10: him into the presidency, and it creates the problem of
Speaker 10: trying to deal with it at the same time, Why.
Speaker 1: Do Democrats hate him? Why do they hate him so much?
Speaker 1: Is it because he did not allow Queen Hillary to
Speaker 1: ascend to the throne in twenty sixteen?
Speaker 7: Or is it deeper than I think it's deaker than that,
Speaker 7: But it begins there.
Speaker 10: Hillary couldn't represented the internationalization of the Democratic Party and
Speaker 10: the corporatization of the Democratic Party. And what you had
Speaker 10: in the post Cold War was this notion that America
Speaker 10: was no longer a domestic nation but a member of
Speaker 10: the globalized community, where we could offshore almost all the
Speaker 10: industrial production of the United States A bit of a
Speaker 10: hyperbole there, but at the same time enriched the profits
Speaker 10: of the corporate elits of America, and it did benefit
Speaker 10: large numbers of people, particularly people on the coastal elites
Speaker 10: of the Pacific and the Atlantic, and it impoverished a
Speaker 10: large number of people. But those people weren't as important
Speaker 10: because they didn't have the technical skills, because they were
Speaker 10: of a prior error in terms of technology, and two,
Speaker 10: they didn't have the wealth and the political power. So
Speaker 10: Trump marshaled the agreed class, if.
Speaker 6: I could put it that way.
Speaker 10: And what he did was in danger large numbers of
Speaker 10: people who made magnificent profits during the period following the
Speaker 10: Cold War, and I think that was very difficult. Now
Speaker 10: on social issues, I think I could speak from New
Speaker 10: York here, where we're about to have maybe a socialist mayor,
Speaker 10: is that the Democrat Party has also embraced a different
Speaker 10: view of how governance existed in the United States for
Speaker 10: a period of almost two hundred and fifty years. We
Speaker 10: now see a majority of Democrats sympathetic towards the concept
Speaker 10: of socialism and socialism and globalism, while Trump represents nationalism
Speaker 10: and capitalism.
Speaker 1: You know the issue we have here at home. The
Speaker 1: government's been shut down for over a month. Food assistance
Speaker 1: the plans snap is running out, probably will run out
Speaker 1: here in the next day or two for those that
Speaker 1: need food. Military is not getting paid. Although apparently there
Speaker 1: is some sort of private funding that will help air
Speaker 1: traffic controllers on the job, not getting paid air travel
Speaker 1: can be a problem. My point in all of this
Speaker 1: is that the Republicans have the majority in the Senate,
Speaker 1: and there's a thing called the filibuster, and it wants
Speaker 1: the filibuster blown up and done away, which means that
Speaker 1: you can get legislation passed with a mere majority. You
Speaker 1: don't have to get to the sixty vote threshold. And
Speaker 1: there are a lot of country club Republicans in Washington,
Speaker 1: DC right now, doctor that are saying, no, that's army Jeddon.
Speaker 1: We should never go that way because if the Democrats
Speaker 1: ever get control, then they would have the ability to
Speaker 1: push through their agendas statehood for example for DC, or
Speaker 1: packing the Supreme Court. My position is Trump is waiting
Speaker 1: on judges to be approved. He's got a government that's
Speaker 1: been shut down because of Democrat obstinates. Should we be
Speaker 1: worried about the filibuster because it doesn't matter what Democrats
Speaker 1: are going to do if they get in power, they're
Speaker 1: going to do it anyway. They're going to do away
Speaker 1: with it. So why not just get it over with now,
Speaker 1: get the government running, get judges approved, and get this
Speaker 1: thing back on track.
Speaker 2: Why not just do it?
Speaker 10: Well, if that's an interesting and very tempting solution, the
Speaker 10: problem is that I think you erode some of the restraints.
Speaker 10: I remember when Harry Reid was the Senate majority leader
Speaker 10: and Obama was president and they lowered the level for
Speaker 10: district court judges and Appella Court judges to majority than
Speaker 10: when Trump got elected. That Mitch McConnell did it for
Speaker 10: the Supreme Court, and what we have is a polarized
Speaker 10: judiciary as well. There is something to be said about
Speaker 10: super majorities in the Senate. Now. The problem here is
Speaker 10: is some people will say, as you did, that it's
Speaker 10: going to be done anyway. The filibuster may be a relic,
Speaker 10: and it may well happen. You may be right, but
Speaker 10: I'm not so sure it's a good idea.
Speaker 4: If we could.
Speaker 6: Strengthen that norm.
Speaker 10: We could then develop more consensus so that administration becomes
Speaker 10: just as one sided and just push forth an agenda
Speaker 10: that half the nation detests.
Speaker 1: Okay, you don't think, Yeah, okay, I mean I understand that,
Speaker 1: and I think I think your point is valid. But
Speaker 1: there has to be something that gets this off the dime,
Speaker 1: because here we are not a year into his second term,
Speaker 1: and we've got this obstinence on the side of the Democrats,
Speaker 1: and we already talked about Trump derangement syndrome, particularly on
Speaker 1: the far left of the Democrats, and they're sucking the
Speaker 1: rest of the party into their into their corner with him.
Speaker 1: So what are we looking at three more years of
Speaker 1: paralysis here? I mean, they can't even they can't even
Speaker 1: get a continuing resolution approved, which has been the norm,
Speaker 1: particularly for the Democrats since since god knows when you
Speaker 1: can go back decades.
Speaker 2: They can't even get that done.
Speaker 1: So then if that's the case, and your anti blowing
Speaker 1: up the filibuster, then where's the answer here?
Speaker 2: How does he get done?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 10: And it just surprises me a bit because he is
Speaker 10: a deal maker and he seems to be unwilling to
Speaker 10: offer a face saving device for the Democrats, and I
Speaker 10: think that's critical in all negotiations he could offer. I mean,
Speaker 10: one of the big problems is this Obamacare Affordable Care Act,
Speaker 10: where they made arrangements okay, where the insurance companies would
Speaker 10: get almost a guaranteed ten percent profit. And he made
Speaker 10: another alliance with the pharmaceutical companies where they could sell
Speaker 10: the drugs at list price, and that was successful in
Speaker 10: getting it passed, but now it becomes symbolic of the
Speaker 10: financial crisis in the United States about health care. I
Speaker 10: think the Democrats are so dug in on this that
Speaker 10: he's got to offer them something. Of course, the subsidies
Speaker 10: are what keeps Obamacare going, and there may be some
Speaker 10: temporary thing which you want to you want them to
Speaker 10: vote for the clear continuing resolution, but they don't appear
Speaker 10: to be doing that. And I think with his foreign
Speaker 10: policy success, he could offer an olive branch, whether it
Speaker 10: is on snap or some subsidies for the Obamacare dreamings,
Speaker 10: which are going to be very very high for a
Speaker 10: lot of people, and it's fundamentally destructive. I think of
Speaker 10: the healthcare system the way he was formulated.
Speaker 4: But he's he's stubborn too. That could run his problem
Speaker 4: but foreign policy.
Speaker 10: He seems to know that you don't win by just
Speaker 10: demanding what you want. You have to have that win
Speaker 10: win situation, and I'm not quite sure. I mean, you
Speaker 10: could say this the principle of continuing resolutions, and I
Speaker 10: agree with that, but at the same time this hostility,
Speaker 10: he could be more magnanimous and then try to win
Speaker 10: again on some of these other issues about how you're
Speaker 10: going to finance the government. Yeah, I think that's a
Speaker 10: real problem.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I yeah, absolutely, And shame on the Republicans
Speaker 1: for not having their own quote unquote Obamacare. Where the
Speaker 1: hell is that They've never They've always said Obamacare is bad.
Speaker 1: They never came up with anything better. So if you're
Speaker 1: going to just say we're going to dig our heels
Speaker 1: in and we're going to try and take Obamacare down,
Speaker 1: whether it's through not voting on these subsidies or bastardizing
Speaker 1: whatever Obamacare is, okay, fine, Well what do you offer
Speaker 1: in return? They don't have anything. The Republicans devoid of
Speaker 1: any ideas on healthcare for the United States. And it's
Speaker 1: that's where they and I part because I think if
Speaker 1: you're going to say, okay, that's bad, get rid of it.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, what do you got that's better? And they
Speaker 2: don't have anything that's better.
Speaker 10: I think you're absolutely right, Ken, because they have basically
Speaker 10: been opposed to the Obamacare, but have not provided a
Speaker 10: solution that deals with some of these same issues in
Speaker 10: a more economical way that doesn't destroy the premiums and
Speaker 10: the economic welfare of a large segment of the American public.
Speaker 10: And that's one of their great failures. But they don't
Speaker 10: prioritize that. They prioritize the rhetoric but not the solution.
Speaker 10: And the Democrats have not been willing to modify the
Speaker 10: Affordable Care Act by taking some of those incentives because
Speaker 10: that's part of their constituency. And we're facing this very,
Speaker 10: very difficult crisis because I.
Speaker 6: Think more than we could go back two.
Speaker 10: Centuries, but the hatred of both sides towards each other
Speaker 10: is reaching a feverish pitch where so many people are
Speaker 10: seeing things like assassination and defying the law as legitimate options.
Speaker 10: And when that happens, you risk not only civil peace,
Speaker 10: but the unification of the country on agreed upon principles
Speaker 10: of how you're going to govern.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's why you've got a doctorate. And that's why
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in Cincinnati talking to you, because you're the expert,
Speaker 1: Doctor Frank Sorrentino. You can find you out doctor Frankmsorrentino
Speaker 1: dot com as doctor with a d R d R
Speaker 1: Frank Msorentino dot com. Okay, Doc, have a great rest
Speaker 1: of the weekend, and you and I can't take.
Speaker 6: Down the world.
Speaker 4: It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 2: All right, Stay well, doc YouTube now by.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see, we'll we'll see exactly when this comes
Speaker 1: to a head. I've got a feeling it'll be after
Speaker 1: election Day. It'll be after this Tuesday. Everybody will get interested.
Speaker 1: I've said the big thing was after last Sunday when
Speaker 1: they had was it last Sunday they or last Saturday
Speaker 1: they had the no Kings nonsense. I said right after
Speaker 1: that it's but it didn't, it didn't get settled. Now
Speaker 1: I'm thinking after election Day we'll see. But I think
Speaker 1: he's right. I think an olive branch from Trump would
Speaker 1: go a long way. And just bringing this thing to.
Speaker 2: A head, we'll find out. That's the beauty of it.
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Speaker 1: Ohio State up in a commanding fashion in Columbus over
Speaker 1: Penn State thirty one fourteen, twelve minutes to go in
Speaker 1: the fourth and final quarter. Of course, tomorrow it's the
Speaker 1: Bengals end. It is the Bears down town at Pey
Speaker 1: Corpse Stadium. The Bears are a two and a half
Speaker 1: point favorite, largely because Joe Flacco's hurt. Now he's going
Speaker 1: to start. He said he will play and said also
Speaker 1: this this week. I don't know, I've never really dealt
Speaker 1: with it before, but I guess there's a point where
Speaker 1: it's not really up to you.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of how it's reacting and how you feel.
Speaker 3: So that's why I wanted to make sure, you know,
Speaker 3: I was able to test it out a little bit.
Speaker 1: So the Bears are not in great shape either. I mean,
Speaker 1: they did win four in a row before stumbling last
Speaker 1: week week in Baltimore.
Speaker 2: What's going on up there?
Speaker 1: I know their secondary is beaten up, and their quarterback,
Speaker 1: whom they once thought was the future of the franchise
Speaker 1: still is on shaky grounds new head coach and Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2: But what of others?
Speaker 1: And why does it seem that that team is struggling
Speaker 1: as much as it is in the red zone? I mean,
Speaker 1: they're just they get in the renzo, they.
Speaker 2: Don't know what to do. And so I was wondering
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get Kevin Fishbaine on because he covers
Speaker 1: the team for the Athletic dot Com. He's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why I subscribe to that website, and I
Speaker 1: was just wondering if we get some insight from him,
Speaker 1: and there is just boning in right now online number one,
Speaker 1: So let's bring him on in. So what is the
Speaker 1: problem with the red zone? I mean, they've got a
Speaker 1: lot of problems, but the red zone really, to me
Speaker 1: is I mean, that would be a red flag if
Speaker 1: I'm a Bears fan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, They've had issues all over the board inside to
Speaker 4: twenty and it's been penalties, it's been not getting the
Speaker 4: run game on track. It's been you know, passing in accuracy,
Speaker 4: you name it. It's been kind of institutional issue more
Speaker 4: so than on one player that they've had so many problems.
Speaker 4: You know, they're five for six teams scoring touchdowns the
Speaker 4: red zone in the last four games as well, below
Speaker 4: league average and where they should be. And this is
Speaker 4: Ben Johnson, who you know, the Detroit Lions are one
Speaker 4: of the best teams in the league in the red zone.
Speaker 4: So I think that it's a lot of just hammering
Speaker 4: out the details, gaining these guys in the same page,
Speaker 4: kind of some of that coach speaks stuff. But look,
Speaker 4: it's hard not to reference the quarterback when you're talking
Speaker 4: about the red zone. You know, the quarterback is tasked
Speaker 4: with so many of those things to try to get
Speaker 4: the ball in the end zone, and Cable Livers just
Speaker 4: has not been consistent enough in those critical situations.
Speaker 1: Is it still a matter of transition from from one
Speaker 1: coaching staff to the other. I mean, he's got Zach
Speaker 1: Taylor's brother is the passing game coordinator up there.
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it that kind of one of those things that
Speaker 1: you would expect, or is this kind of eat in
Speaker 1: the season to expect these things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think do you expect it to take some time?
Speaker 4: Look Jared Goff, who was a veteran who's been to
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl, it took him eight games to really
Speaker 4: get a new groove with Ben Jonson back in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty two. So this is this is kind of the
Speaker 4: critical stage now for Caleb Williams. If you're gonna use
Speaker 4: that comparison, this is the game that he if he
Speaker 4: goes in the golf timeline, then he should start to
Speaker 4: really feel good in the system. So yeah, it's going
Speaker 4: to take time. And I think too and Ken you
Speaker 4: know this about you guys have a quarterback there and
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, who, as much as the team struggled his
Speaker 4: rookie year, I feel like when you watch Burrow, you
Speaker 4: knew right away and it has not really been the
Speaker 4: case here for them to be able.
Speaker 3: To say that.
Speaker 4: I think the Bears would love to say that, but
Speaker 4: maybe we also should have a little bit more patient.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is so difficult, it really is. I mean,
Speaker 1: burrows are few and far between, as you know in
Speaker 1: the Lake, but I think there could be something on
Speaker 1: that whole transition thing. How how is the line holding
Speaker 1: up Uh, there's a guy up there other plays guard,
Speaker 1: Joe Tooney who's from down here in the Greater Cincinnati
Speaker 1: area that I thought would have been a target for
Speaker 1: the Bengals in the off season giving their you know,
Speaker 1: their line problems. But how is the line in front
Speaker 1: of Williams played this year?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been better. Obviously that the Bears made some
Speaker 4: big investments. You mentioned Tony. They traded for Jonah Jackson,
Speaker 4: gave him a new contract. They and Drew Dollman, who
Speaker 4: is the best center available. Their run blocking has generally
Speaker 4: been pretty good. Darnel Wright the right tackles, playing through
Speaker 4: an injury. He has a lot of big kind of
Speaker 4: brace on his arm, but he's been playing really, really
Speaker 4: well the past few weeks. Still better than the left tackle.
Speaker 4: Is a great story on drafted guy out of Canada
Speaker 4: and has helped their run game. But obviously it's going
Speaker 4: to take him some time in the in the past game,
Speaker 4: and we've seen that the last two weeks where opponents
Speaker 4: have really gotten to him on pass plays. So the
Speaker 4: line is better, but when he was taking significantly fewer
Speaker 4: sacks than it took last year. But it's still it
Speaker 4: still can be better.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 4: Red zone issue fall starts a bit a major issue
Speaker 4: with this group, and you know, same thing with these
Speaker 4: guys even better, and it just takes time with the
Speaker 4: new playbook sometimes, especially one is detailed as Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I watched, I watched the offense, and I mean
Speaker 1: even in games that that the Bears won, there it
Speaker 1: just seemed to be off a tick and I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is. And I don't want to hang
Speaker 1: everything on the transition because there's there's some there's some
Speaker 1: good players there. DJ Moore. Uh, you know, he's a
Speaker 1: good player, don Roma. Donza is a good player. I
Speaker 1: think DeAndre Swift has proven himself in the league. And
Speaker 1: I know they're all battling injuries, but I mean that
Speaker 1: that the quote unquote skill positions, there seems to be
Speaker 1: enough talent I think for this team to be clicking
Speaker 1: just a little bit more.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 1: Again, look, they had that long win streak that was
Speaker 1: broken last week. But it just seems like it should
Speaker 1: be better. Doesn't it seem that way to you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it should be. You know, they've got the players.
Speaker 4: You can you can spin it and say, you know,
Speaker 4: Swift's not a pro bowler. DJ Moore is accomplishes, He's
Speaker 4: been never been to a Pro Bowl. Rome is still young.
Speaker 4: You know, They've got these tight ends who they really
Speaker 4: like but just haven't really gotten going. And there's a
Speaker 4: lot the names you ro outted up. I think a
Speaker 4: lot of teams would be happy with that collection of
Speaker 4: skilled players, and each guy has had their flashes, but
Speaker 4: it's just they just even even the game against Dallas,
Speaker 4: which is kind of the biggest offensive explosion they had,
Speaker 4: they stalled out a couple of times in the second half,
Speaker 4: and Ben Johnson he really wanted to kind of put
Speaker 4: that game away and they were not able to. So
Speaker 4: they have not come close to playing their best game
Speaker 4: with something Ben Jonson has been emphasizing. As you know,
Speaker 4: Cincinnati's defense statistically creates an opportunity for the Bears to
Speaker 4: maybe try to get right. But you know, when you
Speaker 4: have false start and you're not consistently running the ball,
Speaker 4: and you're not accurate with the throws, you're not scorking
Speaker 4: the red though, it's a lot of things to fix
Speaker 4: them one week when you're going on the road. So
Speaker 4: it's I would say it's too too simple to say
Speaker 4: that Sincenay is going to be the recipe for the
Speaker 4: Bears to get right. There's a lot of things that
Speaker 4: still need to get worked out.
Speaker 1: Kevin fishban our guest. He is with the Athletic dot Com.
Speaker 1: He covers the Chicago Bears on a daily basis. They
Speaker 1: added CJ. Gardner Johnson this week the Bears. Do you
Speaker 1: have a great story up there Kevin on just the
Speaker 1: kind of problem he's been for teams off the field.
Speaker 1: But they're desperate. I mean, this is a guy that
Speaker 1: can cover the you know, the slot. Uh, they're gonna
Speaker 1: have their hands fall obviously in this game against the
Speaker 1: Bengals with Higgins and Chase outside, but he can cover
Speaker 1: players in the slot. There's no question about that. Was
Speaker 1: that a leap of faith for them because I mean
Speaker 1: he's been with a lot of teams and we know why.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's you know, generally had a good sign when
Speaker 4: a team trains for you and then cuts to you
Speaker 4: a few weeks later, like what happened in Houston, and
Speaker 4: you have to dive into that when you're a Bear's
Speaker 4: steam And I will say this is rare for the
Speaker 4: Bears under GM Ryan Poles to bring in a player
Speaker 4: like this who has bounced around as much as he has,
Speaker 4: but I think there is faith. Obviously. Dennis Allen was
Speaker 4: the coach when Garter Johnson came into the league, and
Speaker 4: Johnson had him for a little bit or overlap with
Speaker 4: him at Detroit in twenty twenty three, and Al Harris
Speaker 4: a secondary coach. It's a no nonsense guy who's got
Speaker 4: a lot of respect in this league, a lot of
Speaker 4: respect in the filing. I think certainly counting on him
Speaker 4: to help, but you're right, they need it. You saw
Speaker 4: Tyler Huntley and the Ravens really attack the Bears backup
Speaker 4: corners last week and do so successfully. So to get
Speaker 4: a veteran who's competitive as they all get out, and
Speaker 4: you know what, sometimes in this league, I mean, you
Speaker 4: got to be careful with it and you got to
Speaker 4: harness it. But sometimes it's okay in this league to
Speaker 4: have somebody who can be a pest. And the Bears
Speaker 4: don't really have a whole lot of guys like that,
Speaker 4: so maybe you would like somebody who's a little more accomplished.
Speaker 4: And it wasn't you know, cut in the middle of
Speaker 4: the season, but he is an upgrade from what they
Speaker 4: were using since Kler Gordon got hurt.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's handicap this then seriously hurting a corner. You're
Speaker 1: you're going to get Joe Flacco this week. There's no
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind that whatever ailed him earlier in
Speaker 1: the week, he's he'll be there on Sunday. You know
Speaker 1: you're going to get Chase. You know you're going to
Speaker 1: get Higgins. If you're Chicago, the running game here in
Speaker 1: Cincinnati has blossomed, you also know that you're going to
Speaker 1: get a defense it's not very good and probably won't
Speaker 1: have Trey Hendrickson. I'm just I'm just I'm just wondering
Speaker 1: as you look at this game and knowing all of
Speaker 1: that and seeing Chicago in the last four games before
Speaker 1: what happened in Baltimore, the way they played, just wondering,
Speaker 1: how do you handicap this one?
Speaker 2: How do you how do you see this one playing out?
Speaker 4: Yeah? It's I mean you talk about the secondary injuries
Speaker 4: for the Bear is going up against Chase and Higgins
Speaker 4: and that's a rough matchup. You know it was Rashan
Speaker 4: Bateman and Save Flowers were making big plays against them
Speaker 4: last week. I can only imagine which of our chases
Speaker 4: they can turn. You on the film I mean, he's
Speaker 4: been beating double teams of good corners, so I like
Speaker 4: that matter for Cincinnati, and as well as the Bears
Speaker 4: have been creating takeaways this season, they're not gained after
Speaker 4: the passer very well. And if you give Joe Flaco time,
Speaker 4: he'll kill you. And you know, the Bears played him
Speaker 4: when he was in Cleveland and twenty twenty three and
Speaker 4: he led a fourth quarter comeback for the Ages in
Speaker 4: that game. Different coaching staff, different players, but it was
Speaker 4: only two years ago. So I like Cincinnati's chances to
Speaker 4: score a lot of points. And I just I know
Speaker 4: that the Bengals defenses has been rough. I have a
Speaker 4: lot of faith in the Bears coaching staff to get
Speaker 4: things better, but you know, sometimes you just got to
Speaker 4: see it to believe it. And I haven't seen them
Speaker 4: from his Bears offense to really think they can fully
Speaker 4: take advantage of Bengals defense. So I haven't made like
Speaker 4: an official pick yet, but I I can see I
Speaker 4: can see the Bengals finding a way to win this
Speaker 4: one at home, and if it's a shootout, frankly, I'm
Speaker 4: taking I'm taking Flacco, uh and those receivers over a
Speaker 4: Bears office and just hasn't gotten it all together.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's buying into the Bengals defense down
Speaker 1: here just yet. But this is an important game for Chicago.
Speaker 1: I mean, after this, uh, they played in New York
Speaker 1: at home, you would think that that's a winnable game
Speaker 1: against the Giants. Then they got to go to Minnesota
Speaker 1: division rivalry game, and then they played Pittsburgh. If you're
Speaker 1: if you're Chicago, you would think your best shot here
Speaker 1: maybe this game against the Bengals and then the Giants.
Speaker 1: Minnesota is going to get McCarthy back, we'll see how
Speaker 1: that goes. And Pittsburgh is uh is a team that's
Speaker 1: proven it could score some points. So this is kind
Speaker 1: of a pivotal game. Right after that series of games,
Speaker 1: they go to Philadelphia and then they got to go
Speaker 1: to Green Bay. So my guess is they got to
Speaker 1: make some sort of hay in these next four games
Speaker 1: if they want to stay competitive, if not inside the
Speaker 1: division as one of the seven teams in the NFC.
Speaker 3: Right, that's a great point.
Speaker 4: I mean, in the last five games, they're gonna be
Speaker 4: underdogs probably in all five. You got Philly, you got
Speaker 4: two against Green Bay. Sorry, they got they have Cleveland homes,
Speaker 4: will be favorite in that game. So five of their
Speaker 4: six final games they will be underdogs to Green Bay,
Speaker 4: uh two against Green Bay at Philly, Detroit, coming to Chicago,
Speaker 4: and then at San Francisco on a Sunday night. So
Speaker 4: they yeah, they've got to build a little cushion for
Speaker 4: themselves as they enter that stretch. And this is a
Speaker 4: game that you know, look, they should win, but I
Speaker 4: would have said they should have beat Baltimore with Tyer
Speaker 4: Huntley at quarterbacks last week. And so yeah, you know
Speaker 4: Ben Jonson improved in that Dallas game that they need
Speaker 4: to prove anything to us, But that was a really
Speaker 4: pivotal moment for them coming off just an ugly, ugly
Speaker 4: loss in Detroit to make so many corrections and get
Speaker 4: that win. And I'd like to think coming off the
Speaker 4: loss against Baltimore that he has a capability to get
Speaker 4: these guys in position to do it again. And and
Speaker 4: I'm curious what the Bengals look like coming off are
Speaker 4: just a tough such a tough loss to the Jets.
Speaker 4: You know, you don't have you don't have your star quarterbacking,
Speaker 4: you don't have your star defensive end, that's tough to
Speaker 4: get off the mat after losing a game like that
Speaker 4: to a team at the JET. So that's gonna be
Speaker 4: another interesting storyline the follow You're right, this is this
Speaker 4: is a game that the Bears really for their the
Speaker 4: way their season looks like, you got to win this game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's why you and I live right. I mean,
Speaker 1: the game is one thing, but the stories are the
Speaker 1: are the even more intriguing things. Yes, drama abound, certainly
Speaker 1: Bengals and Bears at take War Stadium. Kevin good stuff
Speaker 1: can continue the good work at the Athletic really good stuff.
Speaker 1: If you're if you're just a football fan, it's it's
Speaker 1: a great he's a great follow. But also if you're
Speaker 1: a Bears fan, I can't think of a better guy
Speaker 1: to follow than Kevin at the Athletic dot Com. Stay well,
Speaker 1: and I know you're coming to the game, so we'll
Speaker 1: see you down here on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Thanks all right, thanks for Letten.
Speaker 1: Bengals give up a lot of yards on the ground,
Speaker 1: but the Bears are banged up in the backfield. DeAndre Swift,
Speaker 1: lead running back out, one of the backups Rashawn Johnson out.
Speaker 2: So see if that makes a difference.
Speaker 1: You've got to tackle people, man, you gotta start tackling people.
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