WEBVTT - 2-9-26 Sloan with Dave the IT Guy

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got flown back on seven hundred w LW between

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<v Speaker 2>Super Bowl and everything else. We are now into the

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<v Speaker 2>second week of the anti Guth three kidnapping. FBI says

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<v Speaker 2>we have no suspects. The family says they will pay

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<v Speaker 2>the ransom several million dollars. So you hear that, you go, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>could they really get away with this? And how does

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<v Speaker 2>a crypto thing work? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>Money?

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<v Speaker 2>It's untraceable? Is it like one of those Swiss bank

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<v Speaker 2>accounts that bad guys used to back in the task.

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<v Speaker 2>If you had a Swiss bank account, you're up to

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<v Speaker 2>no good, right, same with crypto?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So what we see a new wave of kidnapped as

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<v Speaker 2>a result, because if they get away with it, could

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<v Speaker 2>you imagine the floodgates opening up on That is Dave

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<v Speaker 2>the it guy.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy is.

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<v Speaker 2>A former black hat hacker, which mean he's from the

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<v Speaker 2>bad guys that would hack and do things that I

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<v Speaker 2>can't speak of right now, but now has seen the

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<v Speaker 2>lights of white hat hackers. Who helps he good guys

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<v Speaker 2>beat the bad guys and especially when digital meets crypt

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<v Speaker 2>and everything else in blockchain, what it all means Dave, welcome,

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<v Speaker 2>how you ben, brother? Everything here is lovely? Well, let

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<v Speaker 2>me put you back on speaker. There you go, everything

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<v Speaker 2>here is lovely, all right, So let's jump into this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's a bizarre and gripping story. And you hope

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<v Speaker 2>that she is still alive. Now I would think she

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<v Speaker 2>is simply because the FBI is saying, look, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a kidnapping note, there's ransom. I'm sure the family

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<v Speaker 2>has evidence that she's still alive. Otherwise they wentn't offer

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<v Speaker 2>the money. But how successful in the passes suspend? As

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<v Speaker 2>I recall top of my head, I think was it

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<v Speaker 2>the Colonial pipeline ransom was like two point three million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Crypto to me is.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems to me like we've done this before, but

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<v Speaker 2>somehow they've been able to get some of this money.

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<v Speaker 3>Back, right. Yeah, you know, it's really kind of a mix.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's not a big difference in a case

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<v Speaker 3>like this. It is from you know, you get ransomware

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<v Speaker 3>on your computer and it's time to pay with bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's it's traceable, it's not as anonymous as

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<v Speaker 3>people think. You know, Bitcoin in and of itself, isn't anonymous.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all a matter of how you set it up

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<v Speaker 3>and the steps that you can't. You know, you get

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<v Speaker 3>to prethink a little bit, you know, if you really

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<v Speaker 3>if I put my black dad on, if I was

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<v Speaker 3>going to do something like this, I needed to start

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<v Speaker 3>months ago by creating an anonymous you know, bitcoin address.

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<v Speaker 3>But I would need to make sure that I'm bouncing

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<v Speaker 3>my VPNs around through the tour network, which is the

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<v Speaker 3>dark web. I want to make sure that I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>using anything known that you know, it's ever been tied

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<v Speaker 3>to me in the past. I'm not using any banking

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<v Speaker 3>regulation uh countries, you know, at the US in places

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<v Speaker 3>where you know. You mentioned Switzerland lomily enough, but if

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to cash out, Switzerland would be one of

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<v Speaker 3>the places I would want to cash out too for

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<v Speaker 3>that reason, Wow, for the anonymity. So all right, so

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't want.

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<v Speaker 2>To YEA, let me go through the first steps here,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, again we're still most I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>most people, but younger people certainly have a handle on crypto.

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<v Speaker 2>Most anybody over the age of forty, I think may

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<v Speaker 2>struggle with it. And if you're ever fifty, good luck

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<v Speaker 2>with that. But it's blockchain, it's encoded. It's so they

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<v Speaker 2>set up a I guess they would set up a

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<v Speaker 2>bank account in which the ransom money would be paid

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<v Speaker 2>in crypto.

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<v Speaker 1>How does that whole transfer work? What goes on?

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<v Speaker 3>So it may not necessarily be a bank as typical

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<v Speaker 3>people consider. You know, they're bank down the street. It's

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<v Speaker 3>more of an exchange at crypto exchange, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you get online. There are a lot you know, they're

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<v Speaker 3>coinbase and binance and a whole bunch of others. And

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<v Speaker 3>you had to also look at what what kind of

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<v Speaker 3>cryptocurrency is being asked for? You know, it's bitcoin that

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<v Speaker 3>we all throw around bitcoin name because it's the most

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<v Speaker 3>world no name. But there are other into cryptocurrency. They

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<v Speaker 3>use different they have they use different blockchains, they have Ethereum,

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<v Speaker 3>and many others. So even Trump at a mean coin,

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<v Speaker 3>right that was trading out. So anybody can create a

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<v Speaker 3>coin of their own flavor and decide what the value

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<v Speaker 3>is of that coin, and it's up to people to

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<v Speaker 3>buy and sell it and keep that value flowing. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>So that's kind of the beginning. But which have whatever

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<v Speaker 3>platform that you're going to get your bitcoin for your

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<v Speaker 3>you know, cryptocurrency from that's where you can transfer that

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<v Speaker 3>money to different wallets, you know, kind of play chase

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<v Speaker 3>the funds, hide the money from from law, enfortunate that

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<v Speaker 3>sort of thing, and ultimately consolidated all back into a

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<v Speaker 3>traditional bank account.

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<v Speaker 2>So somebody, you have a couple of you all these

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<v Speaker 2>digital accounts, and I requested, why wire me some money?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh there are a little tiny finger digital fingerprints in

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<v Speaker 2>there that would be able to trace it to a person.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not totally and completely anonymous. So how many

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<v Speaker 2>layers of laundering then has to go on here?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh for for you know, actually to get away with it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Quite a bit, quite a bit. I say, somebody that

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<v Speaker 3>would put something like that together, if they just did

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<v Speaker 3>it off the tough because they paid you know, at

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<v Speaker 3>the end of something like this Guthrie thing, then you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you might fall enforcement might have an easier way to

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<v Speaker 3>trace them, you know, easier time. I mean, not in

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<v Speaker 3>a fair way, but uh, you know, because they are

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<v Speaker 3>not they didn't think it through right. They made a

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<v Speaker 3>mistake somewhere. But yeah, I could take you know, if

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<v Speaker 3>if I you know, said hey, uh get me five

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<v Speaker 3>bitcoin and you shent me five I could split that

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<v Speaker 3>up to be, you know, half a bigcoin here and

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<v Speaker 3>and there's a big coin there and whatever, and spread

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<v Speaker 3>that out to payment. But all of those would you

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<v Speaker 3>could see those on the blockchain, which is basically you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if you think of an old ticker tape hype, but

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<v Speaker 3>think it's like a ticker tape floating by going by

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<v Speaker 3>on your screen, it says, you know, this amount or

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<v Speaker 3>one point seven big coin went from wallet A to

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<v Speaker 3>wallet be. That's all it would show is about to

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<v Speaker 3>randomize wallet numbers and not necessarily people's names. And then

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<v Speaker 3>that's where the investigators have to really get busy, because

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<v Speaker 3>now you have to go faring where have those wallets

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<v Speaker 3>UH contacted and you're connected to in the past, What base,

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<v Speaker 3>what what? What scryptocurrency companies have they connected to, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 3>et cetera. And like I said, if somebody did their

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<v Speaker 3>homework up front and we created all this stuff months

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<v Speaker 3>ago and then let them go what we call dark,

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<v Speaker 3>which means nobody's using them, nothing's happening with them, they

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<v Speaker 3>kind of fall off the radar. Then when you go

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<v Speaker 3>to tase me use them and law enforcement tries to

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<v Speaker 3>trace them, then they've got no history to look at, right,

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<v Speaker 3>there's nothing there. It's been dark for months or years

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever in case y be, you know. And then

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<v Speaker 3>that way it makes it mutt harder to figure out

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<v Speaker 3>who's assigned to And by the time they do check

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<v Speaker 3>it down, you had time to kind of wash that through,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, wash it through a different place.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's there's no way to flag that ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>time that the count's active. Like you see the typical bank,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd have to keep an eye on it all until

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<v Speaker 2>you have to matter all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>And you didn't know what it is, oh right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean a wallet address can be up to like

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<v Speaker 3>thirty five characters long and it would just be random

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<v Speaker 3>X Y, thirty seven, E five, you know, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 3>and you'd have to know what that address is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be a headed tied which you're just not going

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<v Speaker 3>to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, And it's I know, it's really hard to

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<v Speaker 2>describe for those of us who aren't savvy with crypto

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what's going on here. But you know, for those

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<v Speaker 2>of us don't live in that world that there are

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<v Speaker 2>different ways, as you said, multiple wallets, different block shape converted,

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<v Speaker 2>different forms of change. If you do that enough times,

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<v Speaker 2>does it become practically untraceable, unrecoverable it does?

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<v Speaker 3>You know? You could you could take bigcoin and uh

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<v Speaker 3>exchange it into Ethereum, exchange it into Solana, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I start filling out these names of other cryptos,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean think about there there are thousands on a

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<v Speaker 3>global scale, and you know, of these well known cryptos, thousands,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I could take you know, that one big

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<v Speaker 3>coin and bring down so minutely that in a way

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<v Speaker 3>few to trace it. You have to you know, tase

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<v Speaker 3>a point zero zero zero seven five three segments of

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<v Speaker 3>Bigcoin that got transferred into Solana, that got transferred into uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Ethereum.

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<v Speaker 2>And then different wallets on top of that. It sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like you're totally trying to find not even a needle

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<v Speaker 2>in a haystack, but you know, maybe just the very

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<v Speaker 2>tip of the needle in the in a world of haystacks.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds almost untraceable if they're doing it right. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really early in this investigation. We also don't know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what the FBI knows. We never will until maybe

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<v Speaker 2>later at some point in years and years and years

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<v Speaker 2>from now we're still around, hopefully Nancy Guthrie is. But

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<v Speaker 2>does it sound does this looks like like this is

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more organized than a snatch and grab, like

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<v Speaker 2>they put a lot of thought on this. Does does

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<v Speaker 2>it come off as you and again we don't know

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<v Speaker 2>anything behind the scenes here, but do you have that

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<v Speaker 2>suspicion that this is a really well organized operation?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I I don't know, And I'll say it

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<v Speaker 3>for two reasons. Well, when I know that there was

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<v Speaker 3>some guy his name is Steves me, it's already been

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<v Speaker 3>you know, got in trouble this week or sometimes you know,

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<v Speaker 3>last week of a fraudulent crypto claims, right, he right,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and and and so obviously that idea came

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<v Speaker 3>out and somebody started to cash in on the idea.

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<v Speaker 3>But it also does to me like it took it

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<v Speaker 3>took a long time to get to the crypto piece

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<v Speaker 3>of this puzzle, you know, whereas I used my uh well,

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<v Speaker 3>so my experience was ransomware and not necessarily extortion via

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<v Speaker 3>happy but you know ransomware, you immediately know, hey, there's

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<v Speaker 3>a ransom for block for crypto. You know, uh, it's

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<v Speaker 3>right out there, communience street, pay this big coin by

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<v Speaker 3>this day or it goes up, whatever the case is,

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<v Speaker 3>so you know pretty quickly and if if that type

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<v Speaker 3>of extortion or that type of organization is getting into

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<v Speaker 3>the physical kid that being a crypto world, then you know, gosh,

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<v Speaker 3>they were very patient, right, you know, to plan out

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<v Speaker 3>that kid that being do it and then wait a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit before they have throughout the whole cryptos gall show.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, you know, it's hard to say. I mean, gosh,

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<v Speaker 3>it feels like it's maybe maybe it's not an entirely

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<v Speaker 3>new world for he's into all enforcement people, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>when they started bringing in their IT people, in their

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<v Speaker 3>their people that trace this thing, getafe actually do flavor

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<v Speaker 3>it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, it's pretty jaw dropping because you know in the past,

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<v Speaker 2>as we mentioned earlier, it's Dave, the I T guy

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<v Speaker 2>in the show on seven hundred Wow. He's our black hat,

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<v Speaker 2>white hat hacking expert here on the show, and uh

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<v Speaker 2>knows a lot of things about the deep and dark

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<v Speaker 2>web and things, you unbelievable stuff that he's seen online.

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<v Speaker 2>And unfortunately he's working on the good guy side of

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<v Speaker 2>this thing, has no hand in this investigation, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of taking us through what the FBI is up

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<v Speaker 2>against here in the ransom for Nancy Guthrie, who we

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<v Speaker 2>presume it's still a lot of the family, came out

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<v Speaker 2>and said, we'll give you the six million.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be in bitcoin or etheum or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>the digital wallet, whatever the crypto is, and it'll be

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<v Speaker 2>converted and laundered in a bunch of different ways, making

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<v Speaker 2>it really really hard for anyone to get traced. So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, typically we've all seen the heist movies where

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<v Speaker 2>they've got duffel bags full of hundreds in jenas Jason

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<v Speaker 2>Stadium being a badass or something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>In this case, it's all digital, So you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>that transportation issue.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have the physical cash issue.

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<v Speaker 2>You rob a bank, right, they throw the bundle in

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<v Speaker 2>that it has the tracer on or the die pack.

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<v Speaker 2>Can can you have a digital equivalent of that? Knowing

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<v Speaker 2>that they're going to give these people or person bitcoin

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever it might be, can they can they fbiack?

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<v Speaker 2>Can the Feds actually put a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, a digital fingerprint in that particular transaction

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<v Speaker 2>or is that untouchable?

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's not necessarily the FDI have put it there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's more so that by default electronic guide was put

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<v Speaker 3>them there. You know, like your computer has an ideaddress

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<v Speaker 3>that's okay, but it also has a MAC address and

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<v Speaker 3>that it is a fingerprint for your computer or your

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<v Speaker 3>or anything in technology that that such is the Internet.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, there are different figure plants, the routers

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<v Speaker 3>that a signal goes through, uh, leaves of drifts. So

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<v Speaker 3>there are you know, you know lower as you said,

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<v Speaker 3>tracing package that people can hear that you know, law

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<v Speaker 3>enforcement could use that, all the people can use the

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<v Speaker 3>kind of be a bigger picture. But again, if somebody's

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<v Speaker 3>planned it out well enough, you know, it would be

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<v Speaker 3>the same as you know, if if you went and

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<v Speaker 3>buy yourself a house and put it under a shell

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<v Speaker 3>corp that was owned by a shell corp owned by

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<v Speaker 3>a shell corp, et cetera. You know, somebody can ultimately

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<v Speaker 3>figure out that you own that house. Let's won't take

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<v Speaker 3>them a while, and by the time they figured it out,

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<v Speaker 3>you may not care, you know. So you know, different

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<v Speaker 3>different analogy, but trying the same same idea as to

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<v Speaker 3>how hard it could be. So is it impossible? Absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they're the law enforcement takes down these ransomware games,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, on an annual basis. So it happens, it

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<v Speaker 3>gets crazy. It just isn't as fast usually as most

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<v Speaker 3>people want it to be. But again, this kidnapper person,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever this whole deal is, you know, not not be

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<v Speaker 3>as tech savvy as they they they are. They might

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<v Speaker 3>be uh scrambling or yeah, it's completely hyperbo Now they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to mess it up and give themselves away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, in the past, you know, we we've seen a

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<v Speaker 2>rise in these things, largely as you mentioned, it's ransomware

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<v Speaker 2>colonial pipeline.

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<v Speaker 1>I just looked this up.

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<v Speaker 2>FBI got two point three million back from that, uh

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<v Speaker 2>and six million of the fifteen paid for the Chicago

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<v Speaker 2>crypto case. But now now this is a high profit,

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<v Speaker 2>high profile individual, national attention on this whole story. If

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<v Speaker 2>this is successful, I mean, it's like a I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a modern day version of the Lindberg baby kidnapping,

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<v Speaker 2>right where the FBI said enough, uh, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>stop this. Because back in the twenties and thirties it

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<v Speaker 2>was rampant with kidnappers or the same thing until it

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<v Speaker 2>became a federal crime. If indeed this looks and it

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<v Speaker 2>turns out to be successful over a long period of time, Dave, did,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think that other people look at this and

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<v Speaker 2>go now it opens the fund base for kidnappers?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, I mean you've already got you know, kidnapped being

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<v Speaker 3>an extortion is going on and Eastern European countries, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And then just like you said, this has been a

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<v Speaker 3>high perfouer enough that you know, I watched BBC and

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<v Speaker 3>other international channels and this has shown up on the

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<v Speaker 3>international stage. And it may be that it's already happened

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<v Speaker 3>in Eastern Europe at a local level where we are

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<v Speaker 3>not hearing about it. And it could be that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the FBI and ANSA and whoever else has had to

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<v Speaker 3>reach out across the pond to get some experience or

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<v Speaker 3>to get some ideas or tips. You know, this could

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<v Speaker 3>already be a thing that we're just in a dark

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<v Speaker 3>because you know, typically America is behind Europe just about

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<v Speaker 3>everything right techno from.

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<v Speaker 1>A technology perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>But on that I look at this and go okated

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen thirty two, I believe it was when the

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<v Speaker 2>Lindberg baby disappeared as kidnapped and Charles brutal. Hopman was

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<v Speaker 2>the one who was caught and summarily execute as a

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<v Speaker 2>result of that capital crime. That changed federal laws. They

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<v Speaker 2>changed right away. It became a the preview the FBI,

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<v Speaker 2>and now you could go across state lines and the

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<v Speaker 2>death penalty was part of this whole thing, and it

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<v Speaker 2>stopped a lot of the kidnappings. We saw a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Patty Hurst back in the seventies with different

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<v Speaker 2>types of movements, but now it looks like it's back

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<v Speaker 2>in a crypto form. Is there anything again new to

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<v Speaker 2>change laws to do what they did in nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 2>two with Lindbergh to prevent more kidnappings or are our

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<v Speaker 2>hands tied when it comes to this.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a good question. Again, I only played an attorney

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<v Speaker 3>on YouTube, so I have a guest here, but I think,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when it comes to me being if I

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<v Speaker 3>was an ex kidnapper and I said an email or

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<v Speaker 3>some kind of note about ransomware as soon as I

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<v Speaker 3>involved the if the cryptocurrency world, in my esteem, I

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<v Speaker 3>believe that the fans already have some walls already wrapped

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<v Speaker 3>around in place too to make that a federal currents.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we have that. We have that with ransomware.

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<v Speaker 3>As soon as you do that, the fans get involved, Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>be involved if they want to be at least so

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<v Speaker 3>I think to some extent that that rapper is already there.

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<v Speaker 3>But would they now, you know, the law having any

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<v Speaker 3>catch up the technology you know that we that we

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<v Speaker 3>see every you know, every year and every everything that happens,

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<v Speaker 3>It wouldn't surprise me that some new kind of wist

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<v Speaker 3>or or additional you know, adendum or something would would

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<v Speaker 3>get looked at or something like this, especially if it

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<v Speaker 3>just becomes effective. I really, I hate, I hate to

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<v Speaker 3>say that I'm interested in see how this turns out,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm interested in how this turns out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I think we are too, because it feels

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<v Speaker 2>like that might be hanging in the balance here.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And the as you said, the FBI has really got

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<v Speaker 2>their work cut out for them. He's Dave, the it

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<v Speaker 2>guy in the Scotts Loan. Appreciate you jumping on this morning, buddy,

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<v Speaker 2>Always great information, all the.

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<v Speaker 3>Best, Thank you, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Take care of yourself. We'll do a news update here momentarily.

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<v Speaker 2>find out just how warm. Slowly seven hundred ww