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Speaker 1: Do you want to be in American start floating on

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Speaker 1: this MLK day on seven hundred Wow, more than that,

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Speaker 1: here in Cincinnati anyway.

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Speaker 2: Maybe not the rest they came here, but here in Cinty.

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Speaker 2: I'll explain why I'm.

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Speaker 3: Momentarily first though TERRFF related stuff. Announcement just came out.

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Speaker 3: Canada has cut tariffs on Chinese made electric vehicles, so

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Speaker 3: kind of an end around there on the United States

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Speaker 3: because the ongoing tariff war, and speaking of which, over

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Speaker 3: the weekend, the President threatened tariffs on eight NATO allies

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Speaker 3: unless the deal has reached for US to buy Greenland,

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Speaker 3: which leaves a lot of US scratching our head. And

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Speaker 3: also the United States Supreme Court last week we're expected

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Speaker 3: to they never tell you what they're going to rule

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Speaker 3: on when, but last week or expecting a decision maybe

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Speaker 3: on whether the Trump tariffs are legal. According to the

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Speaker 3: Ice Supreme Court, they have kicked the can down the

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Speaker 3: least till next time. We'll find out. It could be

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Speaker 3: weeks away at this point, we're not sure. But all

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Speaker 3: this comes together as costs continue to just be stubborn

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Speaker 3: with inflation and everything else in tariff's a part of

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Speaker 3: that for sure. On that is Kyle Moran, our friend

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Speaker 3: from Young Voices, welcome back, How you been.

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Speaker 4: I'm good, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: So the big issue here as we debate tariffs and

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Speaker 3: if they're effective or not, is that the President invoked

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Speaker 3: the Powers Act and designed for a national security crisis

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Speaker 3: like wars or terrorism or seizing assets things like that,

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Speaker 3: to impose trade tarffs on China. Is this a misuse

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Speaker 3: of emergency powers because that's what the High Court is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it basically is guaranteed to be some sort of

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Speaker 4: to him through that Act, because from day one when

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Speaker 4: he rolled these out, he was already exempting very specific

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Speaker 4: that tariff would have on those would be detrimental to

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Speaker 4: the United States. But critically this shows that it's not

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Speaker 4: based on national security. When he's exempting cowper, pharmaceuticals, semiconductors,

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Speaker 4: all these other types of materials from the tariffs, then

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Speaker 4: what is it What is he even tariffing a lot

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Speaker 4: of it is a lot less important goods that we're importing,

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Speaker 4: So therefore it's not based on national security, which he

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Speaker 4: himself has sort of admitted very at various times. He

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Speaker 4: used to pay down the national debt, to do now,

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Speaker 4: to do these stimulus checks as a source of revenue

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that is a concern too. It's just purely

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Speaker 3: on a revenue standpoint. And so far we've had some

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Speaker 3: indication that the conservative justices are even pushing back on this.

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Speaker 3: Amy Cony Barrett and Justice Chief Justice Rod John Roberts

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Speaker 3: said that the vehicle is in position of taxes on

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Speaker 3: Those early indication certainly don't indicate how they're going to vote,

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Speaker 3: because there's been time to I've thrown that out. They're

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Speaker 3: challenging it. But that if you're looking at the tea

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Speaker 4: No, it doesn't, because like I was, like I said,

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Speaker 4: so much of this has not even been like the

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Speaker 4: So it really does. It does get into some tricky

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Speaker 4: legal battles for the administration to keep this standing. But

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Speaker 4: I have, I do have to step back and think

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Speaker 4: these powers were passed to be very limited in times

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Speaker 3: If the Supreme Court rules against these terroriffs, does that

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Speaker 4: I'm not optimistic on that. I it will limit the

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Speaker 4: more tariff. So that type of stuff would be much

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Speaker 4: harder for future executives. But to your point about Biden

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Speaker 4: The Supreme Court doesn't have the ability to step in

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Speaker 4: and I'm not gone through them that will see much

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'm hoping anyway, uh, Cale Moran that if

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Speaker 3: some point, I imagine you know that's going to come

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Speaker 3: of course the money's coming back in, but it would

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Speaker 4: That is an excellent question because this is something on

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Speaker 4: those funds for these two thousand dollars stimulus checks, which

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Speaker 3: And the other element here is if we have a

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Speaker 3: I think more than that though, the idea we're going

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Speaker 2: We got the money and the count for that one.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, which is part of the issue here. Again. We

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Speaker 3: As someone who is I guess more libertarian than anything,

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Speaker 3: test here, right, So how many Republicans who absolutely celebrate

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Speaker 3: it's subsidy. You're taking taxpayer money to give other people

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Speaker 3: Let's do something the lower the cost of healthcare, as

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Speaker 3: It doesn't make it affordable, it makes it less affordable.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and to your point, the healthcare situation is something

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Speaker 3: The Democrats plan is, here's groupon we're going to get

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Speaker 3: the lower cost on your healthcare. We're going to take

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Speaker 3: not a plan. That is just a band aid.

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Speaker 2: Is what that does?

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Speaker 3: It make things worse, not better in the long run.

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Speaker 3: Look what the subsidies done to the college industry. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's been fifteen years. They have no answer on this.

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Speaker 3: All I hear is well, eat better. Well, that's okay,

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Speaker 3: but I've got cancer now and I can't afford it.

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Speaker 4: I know, it's it's absolute madness. And the talking points

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Speaker 4: So when they were talking about not wanting any illegal

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Speaker 3: on the rug. But because it looks like the victim

437
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 3: they're truvic than the skins of the white guy, that

438
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 3: store hasn't legs anymore. And that's why I think today

439
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 3: that the march is downtown are somewhat hollow in my opinion,

440
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 3: because of that. It's like, yeah, okay, we know racism

441
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: is alive and well out there, but it's not always

442
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 3: just white people who are racist. And if you can't

443
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 3: admit that, then what is the point of marching for?

444
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 4: What?

445
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 3: Doctor King believed in that that all men, all women,

446
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 3: all children deserve an opportunity to see at the table equally.

447
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 3: So if you just turn a blind eye to that, okay,

448
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,959
Speaker 3: so why are you marching today? Well, of course, all

449
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 3: the grievances that we have, and that's all well and good,

450
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 3: but again, doctor King's legacy when he believed in if

451
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 3: you you know, even some of the most basic things

452
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 3: we all remember from Doctor King and the I Have

453
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 3: a Dream speech was about that. It's just say I

454
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 3: just want I just want to be treated like everybody else. Well,

455
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: how can you say that on the one side of

456
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 3: your mouth and then be silent about what occurred in

457
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 3: Cincinnati the summer? My two cents anyway, Yeah, someone else say,

458
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: saw I was reading this today. I don't know if

459
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: I forgot this because I you know, the older you get,

460
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 3: the more you like history. You know, you're a kid

461
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 3: in school, you don't give a damn about it. And

462
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 3: now it's like, I just find it fascinating because a

463
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 3: lot of history does repeat itself. As I have lived

464
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 3: long enough to go, wow, this is this is something

465
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 3: that's happened before. I kin'd got a rabbit hole. I

466
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 3: got like a free I don't know how many weeks

467
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 3: subscription on the newspapers dot com. So there's you know,

468
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 3: there's Cincinnati Choir and all these papers from the you know,

469
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 3: nineteen hundreds and early stuff. I don't go back too

470
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 3: far because it's like reading Shakespeare. It's like, what are

471
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: they saying? There's to wait, too many words here, and

472
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 3: I don't know what all these words mean. You're red

473
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 3: an end of those old things, or like you know,

474
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 3: the eighteen hundreds, eighteen seventies, like, Okay, it's interesting, but

475
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure. It's too for most it's too much,

476
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: way too many words. Yeah, but you had the time

477
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 3: back in the day to do that. You had time

478
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 3: to be more articulate, more where you use all the

479
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 3: words because you had time to look them up.

480
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 2: Right, what else you gonna do?

481
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 3: Got about a good eight hours a day light now

482
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 3: four hours of daylight this time of year, I'm making.

483
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 3: But what's funny about it, it is looking back at history.

484
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 3: You go, wow, that's a lot of the things that happened,

485
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 3: you know, fifty sixty seven years ago, it's true today.

486
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 3: And then you see some little things that wind up

487
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 3: being bigger dealing with thought, and that's that's kind of

488
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 3: just the way history is. So started reading some of

489
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 3: the stuff and I saw this about his Now, of course,

490
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: you know about the nineteen sixty eight assassination that brought

491
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 3: an end to his personal crusade. But a woman named

492
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 3: Isola Wade Curry where I think Wade Wade or where

493
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 3: Andy Way name is Isola Curry. Anyway, he was at

494
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 3: a Parlem bookstore in fifty eight, so ten years before

495
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 3: his assassination. That he was signing copies of a book

496
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 3: in Harlem, I believe, and she came up to get

497
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 3: her book signed and instead pulled out a letter opener

498
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 3: and stabbed him in the chest. And you know, had

499
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: had he moved a little bit or you know, turned

500
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 3: away or something, it missed his A order by literally

501
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 3: tenth of an inch, eighth of an inch, something like that.

502
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 3: And so anyway was why he had stuck in his chest.

503
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 3: He had have surgery rushed in and had he moved

504
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: in any certain way shape or farman Back in fifty eight,

505
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 3: we didn't know as much about medicine today, but had

506
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 3: even sneezed, they said he probably would have ruptured his

507
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 3: A order at that point, it would have been fatal.

508
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 3: She miss Curry, was a forty two ye old black

509
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 3: woman of all things, and she was again what we

510
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 3: talk about today right mental health. She was having paranoid

511
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 3: delusions that were focused on king, and they institutionalized her

512
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 3: and she died a few a number of years ago.

513
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 3: But I thought it was interesting. You know, you hear

514
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: about what happened in sixty eight, but he was this close,

515
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 3: I mean literally an eyelash away from dying at the

516
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 3: hands of a deranged individual. Book signing in Harlem back

517
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 3: ten years before he passed away and everything. Of course,

518
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 3: you know they wrote and did in that up until

519
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 3: sixty eight. Could you imagine had she been successful in

520
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 3: that would have been meant for civil rights if at all,

521
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 3: for sure. So anyway, something to think about, something to

522
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 3: think about on this MLK day. So the folks out there,

523
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 3: hopefully they're they're bundled up, got enough handwarmers, and such

524
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 3: a little bit. Something else I saw here too, as

525
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 3: a fan of eating, and who is not a fan

526
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 3: of eating these days, the price of beef is going

527
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 3: up yet again, and we're are in a meat crisis.

528
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 3: You know, we're blessed here in Cincinnati. If you think

529
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 3: about it, how many good, if not great steakhouses we have,

530
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: And there's almost too many, because instantly you go Cincinnatio,

531
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 3: how you think are rubies? But Tony's is right there

532
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: with them. There's Marble, there's you can go on and

533
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: on right in countless places, maybe not even small chains

534
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 3: for that matter. Capitol Grill, all these places do a

535
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: really really good steak, and you wonder how many of

536
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 3: these things are gonna go away. You know, we saw

537
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: Morton's close downtown. I think the death now for that

538
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 3: one is the fact that Ruby opened up right next

539
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: to him, and that I was, okay, I mean over there.

540
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: I think we're there once and like gets to Chicago

541
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 3: institution for sure, Morton's, Morton's, the Ruby's is Chicago, and

542
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 3: they tried it. But here, for god, had a good, real,

543
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 3: really good long run. It was just you know, kind

544
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 3: of second floor kind of vibe to it. It was fine.

545
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: But you know, once Rubies opened this thing up on

546
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: Fountain Square, that's that. But uh, you know, you're starting

547
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 3: to see like three four, five hundred dollars dinner tabs

548
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 3: now at some of these lavish places. And you know,

549
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 3: restaurant restaurants have razor thin margins already, Wholesale beat prices

550
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 3: since COVID have gone up seventy percent, and so you

551
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: think about the food, You think about the labor, the

552
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 3: rant utilities, insurance, all that stuff. I mean, how much

553
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 3: profit are you making per steak? To the point now

554
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 3: you go in a steakhouse, and nice steakhouse for that matter,

555
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 3: and you know the core of a good steakhouse has

556
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: always been the ribbi. Right, you get yourself a ribbi.

557
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 3: And when you see market prices on ribb what's the

558
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 3: cost of a ribbi? It's market price, Holy crab. I

559
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 3: think the cost have gone up like fifty percent, maybe

560
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: a third to fifty percent in some cases. And so

561
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 3: I think those people who want us eating less cows

562
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: and less cows of course means less cow flatulence, which

563
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 3: is destroying our world. Allegedly, you're gonna see more and

564
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: more people shot away from beef. I know, I eat

565
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: a lot less beef than I did just a couple

566
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: of years ago. And I didn't really eat all that

567
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: much anyway, you know, I was like a couple maybe

568
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 3: once twice a week. And now it's probably even more rare,

569
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 3: no pun intended, than that, simply because the cost of

570
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: it is you look at it and go wow, I

571
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: think about making you know, some pot roast. You're down

572
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: like forty bucks or a pot roast, I mean, parers

573
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: be cheap. Now, it's like, holy crap, that's not long ago.

574
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 3: That's what I'd be paying for. I don't know, a

575
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 3: New York strip and a New York strip forget it.

576
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: So more chicken, I guess, more chicken thighs, more chicken breast,

577
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: I guess. And if that's better for the atmosphere or not,

578
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 3: I'd have to ask your local environment. It's not quite

579
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 3: sure if more chickens are better than a couple less cows.

580
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

581
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: It's more of a treat kind of thing now, kind

582
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: of It's like a steak is not turning in the lobster,

583
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: but that way, Oh you're gonna have lobster. That's like

584
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: an anniversary dinner kind of thing. It's gonna be the

585
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: same with steak. Used to be just go, oh, I'm

586
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: at Kroger, get me a steak, and right on the grill.

587
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: Just eat a little less red meat, I guess. Anyway,

588
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: coming up later on in the show. This morning, we

589
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: just had some NFL football action, actually breaking football news

590
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: with my Bills. Sean McDermott, head coach of the Buffalo Bills,

591
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 3: has been fired. This I wouldn't say this is a

592
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: head scratcher. I think what's head scratching is you look

593
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: at the three coaches out of the four in the

594
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 3: AFC North, all have been fired.

595
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: Now in the.

596
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: AFC East, Bill's head coach, Sean McDermott has been fired

597
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 3: because he's appeared in the postseason eight times in his tenure,

598
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: which pretty good, I mean, what eight o nine, But

599
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: it's not good enough because you can't make it to

600
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 3: the EFC Championship Game but only once in those eight appearances.

601
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: And the goal is to win a Super Bowl with

602
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 3: the talent you have. That's true any team, that's especially

603
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: true here in Cincinnati. And yet, and yet Zach Taylor

604
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 3: continues to be head coach in Cincinnati and not saying

605
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: at all that's like Sean McDermott and any other head

606
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: coach it's been fired. It's you know, it's the coach

607
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: for sure, but a lot of it has to do

608
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 3: with what's happening behind the scenes and talent and you know,

609
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: the draft and also off seats and acquisitions and the like.

610
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: And you know, we're just happy to let Zach Tayler

611
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 3: continue doing Zach Taylor kind of stuff. Can you get

612
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: you back to the Super Bowl as a question, and

613
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: you know you've been there once. Okay, great, you made

614
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: it the super Bowl, but it's the league is always

615
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 3: what have you done for me lately?

616
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: Now?

617
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 3: I think Sean mcdery, You imagine Sean mcguy. I think

618
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: if you're a Steeler fan, you probably want that guy

619
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 3: because of his connections to you know, to the area.

620
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 3: Not only but he's that you know, blue collar rouss

621
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: belt kind of thing. He his acted work great in

622
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh for sure, many in Baltimore for that matter. But

623
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: I could totally see that happening, and I think if

624
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: we're Bendals fan, you're probably excited about the opportunity to

625
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: see because if he can can win a game of

626
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: the postseason, at least Tom win a Super Bowl ring.

627
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 3: He may say that a lot to do with his predecessor,

628
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: of course, and maybe riding the fumes of that, but

629
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: you know, guys, still got a ring.

630
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens.

631
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: Anyway, he is out in Buffalo, another head go coaching

632
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: carousel continues to revolve. We'll find out if this is

633
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 3: the move or not in a year or so. Yeah,

634
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: you're just kind of wasting generational talent. But I look

635
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 3: at this and go, Okay, well it's Josh Allen that

636
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 3: much different than Joe Burrow. Yeah, teams that I want

637
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: to win championships have no problem getting rid of the

638
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: head coach and then rolling the dice and trying to

639
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 3: find somebody new. Hell that worked out for New England

640
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: one season and out with Jared Mayo, and now you

641
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 3: got Mike Rabel and you look at Tennessee and go,

642
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: what the hell are you guys thinking? Maybe doing that

643
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: in Buffalo before long, who knows, I don't know, but hello,

644
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 3: game this weekend. Speak of the Bills. They beat themselves

645
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: with the turnovers, and I think that, yeah, he should

646
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: have been a catch with Brandon Cooks. But you know,

647
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: I got everything else that leads up to that point.

648
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 3: This is probably why Sean mcermmock got Feeting fired because

649
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Speaker 3: of that call. They got fired because well, the play

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Speaker 3: on the field and everything else, and maybe some missed

651
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Speaker 3: opportunities there they did not take advantage of. And as

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Speaker 3: you look through this too, because New England now with

653
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Speaker 3: you know C. J. Straut Is, he doesn't look good

654
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Speaker 3: at all in Houston, proving that offense wins championships, not defenses.

655
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Speaker 3: I guess maybe for me the pick of the letter

656
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 3: right now with Seattle absolutely motor boating and steam rolling

657
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Speaker 3: and whatever other metaphor you can use. Took care of

658
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Speaker 3: San Francisco, though you look at Frisco and want to

659
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Speaker 3: you know, they're just do for a rebuild behind brock Perty.

660
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Speaker 3: Everyone's heard and they're just older. So that window felt

661
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Speaker 3: like it closed yesterday.

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Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 3: It actually slammed. Seattle rolled them what forty they put

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Speaker 3: up forty one on them? I think forty one six

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Speaker 3: to the final. But Sam Darnold seems like he's a

666
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Speaker 3: real deal anyway, and I thought the RAM Chicago game

667
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Speaker 3: is really damn good game as well. I'm not sure

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Speaker 3: about Kayelo Williams, though Matthew Stafford even struggled aster. Most

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Speaker 3: of the good quarterbacks actually struggle a little bit yesterday

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Speaker 3: outside of Sam Darnold.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see.

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Speaker 3: It feels like Seattle's a foregone conclusion of the Super

673
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Speaker 3: Bowl in your winner there. Whether it's whether they face

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Denver or New England will find out.

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Speaker 3: But Denver's in a world of her too because bo

676
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Speaker 3: Nicks breaks his ankle on the second last play before

677
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Speaker 3: the game winning field goal, my guy. Now you got

678
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Speaker 3: to go to Jared Stidham, the backup. But Stidham, as

679
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Speaker 3: I recall, is actually pretty good and pretty good backup

680
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Speaker 3: that hasn't going to play too much. But he's got

681
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Speaker 3: a week to get ready and never know, don't have

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Speaker 3: much New England's not that much tape on them. Plus

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Speaker 3: they're traveling to Denver, so we'll find out. But I

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Speaker 3: think if it goes a courting Hoyle, I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: New England walks out and goes to an AFC Championship game,

686
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Speaker 3: just like everyone was hoping, because you know the Casey

687
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Speaker 3: eras of Wow, great, we'll get some new blood in there. Nope,

688
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 3: now we've got New England again. Great New England or Casey.

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Speaker 3: That's what you get out of the AFC. Right there,

690
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Speaker 3: that's what you get. We got a news update coming

691
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Speaker 3: up in just a few minutes. We'll find out what's

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Speaker 3: going on this Martin Luther King Day twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Not a lot.

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Speaker 3: I know that the front end of I don't want

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Speaker 3: to ruin Brian's lead story. Heres has to do with Hamburger's.

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Speaker 3: You may have speaking of beef, may it may be

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Speaker 3: hard to get a Hamburger and Mason today.

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Speaker 2: That's a tease, is.

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Speaker 5: What that is.

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Speaker 3: That's a tease on the way. Ashley Vance is here

701
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 3: to talk about the legacy of Elon Musk. We are,

702
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: what a quarterway through this century, and if I were

703
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Speaker 3: betting man right now, I'd probably put you know, seventy

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Speaker 3: four years left in the century, but I would I'd

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Speaker 3: probably put on I think Elon Musk at the adder

706
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Speaker 3: near the top list, despite you know, all the baggage

707
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Speaker 3: with Doge and I think you know, seventy four years. Hell,

708
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 3: in five years, people are going to forget about all

709
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 3: that nonsense and see him for what he really is.

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00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: I mean, he is certainly cutting edge and tip of

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Speaker 3: the spear when it comes to innovation and science, not

712
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Speaker 3: only just with what he did with Tesla and essentially

713
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: single handedly revolutionizing the automobile industry, but also i'd throw

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Speaker 3: that in, you know, Twitter yet to be remained and

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Speaker 3: you had to be decided. But the other thing too,

716
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: is with SpaceX, which is an absolute game changer. You're

717
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 3: lunching the say, it's not just putting you know, privately

718
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 3: launching spacecraft and he's not the only one doing it,

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Speaker 3: but the idea. We're putting satellites up there in order

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Speaker 3: to initiate the future of our communication. And we have

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Speaker 3: a lot more to do. But even now we've got satellite.

722
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Speaker 3: You know, your cell phone's using a satellite like t mobiles.

723
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: All those ads with Billy Bob Thornton are about, hey,

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Speaker 3: we got a satellite. Now we can do that, and

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Speaker 3: it's more of an SOS thing I think in some cases,

726
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 3: but pretty soon that's how our celf service is going

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Speaker 3: to work. I would think it's on between that and towers,

728
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Speaker 3: because you know, you don't always have a line of

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Speaker 3: site with a satellite, but that changes Wi Fi and

730
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Speaker 3: everything else. So anyway, Ashley advances on that limit. Juliettershare

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Speaker 3: drops by, We'll do mental health Monday today at the

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Speaker 3: ten thirty and so much more on the home of

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Speaker 3: the best Bengals coverage soon to be the home of

734
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Speaker 3: the Reds seven hundred WLWD, Cincinnati. You want to be in.

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Speaker 3: We's got a quote here on this MLKDA twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: six on seven hundred WLW. If you're to think of

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Speaker 3: a person of this center, MLK is on the last century,

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Speaker 3: but a person of this center now granted we've got.

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Speaker 3: We're a quarter of the way through, just over a

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Speaker 3: quarter the way through, right, So another seventy four years

741
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Speaker 3: we'll look back. Who is the person of the center.

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Speaker 3: I'll throw a name in early on. An early favorite

743
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Speaker 3: here would be Elon Musk. Now, set away all the

744
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 3: dough stuff. But here's a guy who comes on, very

745
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 3: brilliant man, develops a electric vehicle that reshapes the auto

746
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Speaker 3: industry for sure, and says, hey, we don't have to charge,

747
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Speaker 3: we'll put up our own charging stations.

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Speaker 2: Cool, we did that.

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Speaker 3: Then he go on and there's other things too, but

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Speaker 3: SpaceX not the big one. He's launching his own satellites

751
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 3: on the regular and comes up with starlink and satellite communication.

752
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Speaker 2: That's going to be the future.

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Speaker 3: The idea of your you know, Wi Fi just being

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00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 3: in a room somewhere is gonna it's gonna be a

755
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 3: satellite phones already headed that way as well. It's all

756
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Speaker 3: Elon Musk's doing. And so when you talk about the

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Speaker 3: person of the century in another seventy five, seventy four years,

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Speaker 3: will it be Elon Musk?

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Speaker 2: Good question. He's doing all right, he's doing our on that.

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Speaker 3: Ashley Vance, who writes about this kind of a sort

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Speaker 3: of bio about Elon Musk is Ashley Vance, and I

762
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 3: think you'd agree he's probably doing okay.

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Speaker 5: Huh, he's doing all right, doing all right.

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Speaker 2: He's doing all right, He's doing all right.

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Speaker 5: He's at a big run here the last twenty years.

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Speaker 5: It's hard hard to think of another figure who cuts

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Speaker 5: across so many different industries.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and everybody knows the name. But then no, it

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Speaker 3: seems like a growing number of people hate him because

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Speaker 3: what he's doing with Twitter. But it's interesting where that

771
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 3: platform goes too. But let's focus on the on the

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Speaker 3: space element here. And I think this is fascinating because

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Speaker 3: in the next decade, we're going to launch in the

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Speaker 3: upwards of another one hundred thousands. We've got like one

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00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 3: hundred thousand satellites orbiting your We just keep launching satellites.

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Speaker 3: At some point, you think we're going to run out

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Speaker 3: of real estate there, But what's what's that really?

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Speaker 2: What's the future look like? You say, Okay, we got satellites,

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00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: so what does that mean?

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Speaker 3: It means now we're starting to create this I don't know,

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00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: sphere above the world that's actually a real estate market.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean in my in my new book, I

784
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Speaker 5: call it a computing shell that we're building around the Earth.

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Speaker 5: You talk about one hundred thousand satellites, I don't think

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00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 5: most people, probably I don't realize we only had about

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Speaker 5: two thousand, five hundred satellites going around the Earth just

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Speaker 5: a couple of years ago. And that number is already doubled.

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Speaker 5: And the one hundred thousand figure is probably gonna happen

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Speaker 5: in this next decade. And so we have all these companies,

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Speaker 5: really startups. I mean, space has been taken away from

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Speaker 5: the governments that dominated this for so long, and this

793
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 5: is a capitalist exercise now and they're building the next

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Speaker 5: layer of our computing infrastructure right over our heads.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing to me because, yeah, what five thousand satellites

796
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Speaker 3: and we're in that business too, we kind of I

797
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 3: don't know the details of it, but you know there's

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Speaker 3: tracking their son outs, all this crazy stuff that has

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Speaker 3: to do with our business, which is which is pretty old.

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Speaker 3: I look at the satellite think go, this is a

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Speaker 3: game changer, because you're putting so many up there. I

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Speaker 3: guess the big question would be, wait, mane, we got

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Speaker 3: five fou how are these things not running into each other.

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Speaker 3: If you have five and you take it to one

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand, are we a capacity and what are you

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00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 3: gonna have. You can have like traffic cops and lower

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Speaker 3: level orbit to make sure these things are running into

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Speaker 3: each other.

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Speaker 5: This is I mean, it's a real issue. There is

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Speaker 5: you know, for excuse the bad Ton, there's a lot

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Speaker 5: of space in space, so there is room room for

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Speaker 5: these things. But without question, we're heading this new era

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Speaker 5: where it's going to be so different that yes, we

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Speaker 5: hope that you can manage this. There's this thing called

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Speaker 5: the Kessler syndrome that people can can hop on the

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Speaker 5: internet and check out, and it's this idea that you

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Speaker 5: have a satellite that runs into something and it creates

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Speaker 5: this this kind of cascading you know, debris that just

819
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 5: gets worse and worse over time. But there are already

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Speaker 5: startups that are are tracking all of this stuff and

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Speaker 5: they are playing exactly that role you talked about. So

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Speaker 5: like the air traffic controllers of all these machines.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, can you can adjust the orbit on these things.

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Speaker 3: That's not a problem now when they you know, if

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Speaker 3: they the computer on board running, the computer.

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Speaker 2: Itself starts to go a little whacky.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you got some problems area renegade saddle, as you said,

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Speaker 3: could wipe out a domino effect, and now you've got

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Speaker 3: some real problems right there. But all right, so we

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Speaker 3: build a huge infrastructure. What does that mean is that

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Speaker 3: is that where we would get our I don't know.

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00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 3: Wi Fi was just what we call it. Now we

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Speaker 3: call something different.

834
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Speaker 2: But where does it go a little bit?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 5: Right now, there's two major buckets that these satellites are.

837
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Speaker 5: The jobs these satellites are already doing. One of them,

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Speaker 5: there's a company in my book called Planet Labs, which

839
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Speaker 5: is kind of amazing. They've put up hundreds of imaging satellites.

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Speaker 5: So these satellites take pictures of the Earth, every spot

841
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Speaker 5: on the Earth, all the time, every day. Not even

842
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 5: the US, the CIA, China, Russia have this capability. And

843
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 5: then the other major bucket is what you were talking about.

844
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Speaker 5: Is this. We call it like the space Internet, and

845
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Speaker 5: it's sending high speed internet down from space. Half the

846
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Speaker 5: world still can't be reached by fiber optic cables and

847
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Speaker 5: so you have this for the first time. I think

848
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Speaker 5: of it as like there's always on high speed Internet,

849
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Speaker 5: kind of washing over the earth and creating you know,

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Speaker 5: this internet fabric we've kind of been talking about for decades.

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Speaker 3: Right, And I think that's an important component of this too,

852
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 3: because even in America, if you're in rural Ohio, Indiana,

853
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: or Kentucky, it's awfully hard to get Internet service. And

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00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: we take it for granted because we live in an

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00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: urban area. You're in San Francisco, same thing. It's you know,

856
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 3: a Wi Fi everywhere I go. It's no problem. Cincinnati,

857
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: I start to get out a little bit, it's a

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00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 3: different story entirely. This would literally get all of those

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Speaker 3: people who are left off the information super highway back

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Speaker 3: on it. I think of people like my in laws,

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Speaker 3: for example, live in rural Ohio, and it's a constant

862
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Speaker 3: fight for them to try and get enough enough speed

863
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 3: to download stuff for example. This had change all that,

864
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: and now you've got even more people online and on

865
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 3: social media and probably trying to scam me out of

866
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 3: you know, twenty dollars or you know, it's.

867
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 2: Just gonna get work.

868
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 3: Everything that we hate about the internet, love about the Internet,

869
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: it's going to get multiplied a millionfold.

870
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: This happens.

871
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's there's pros and co to be sure.

872
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, the data is pretty clear that

873
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 5: once you get access to high speed internet, your education

874
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 5: levels go up, your your economic success goes up as

875
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 5: a country. But like this era of even if you

876
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 5: just wanted to climb a mountain and get away from

877
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 5: the world for a while, that that that's going away.

878
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 5: And it's kind of and people should realize this is

879
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 5: not This is not like a Mars colony. We're talking

880
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 5: about this far off in the future. This is this

881
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 5: is actually happening right as we speak.

882
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the exciting part about this. This low

883
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 3: lying low earth orbit, I think is what it's called, right,

884
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 3: and you have these satellites that are floating around and

885
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 3: every square into the globe is covered with that. So

886
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 3: is that where our cell service goes? Now you're like, ooh,

887
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 3: your cell's cutting out, you know, to three bars. You're

888
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: not gonna have that problem in the future, are you?

889
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 5: No? No, I mean this is why you know I

890
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 5: titled this book when the Heavens Went on Sale. I mean,

891
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 5: you're talking about lower orbits. My point is that we

892
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 5: are building this economy, you know, right right right above

893
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 5: our heads. And this was like an area, a territory

894
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 5: that was controlled by just a handful of governments for

895
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 5: like seventy years, and now all of a sudden, we're

896
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 5: going to see a ton of services, Kelly, We're going

897
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 5: to have this communication across the planet. We're going to

898
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 5: understand our planets in new ways by sort of peering

899
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 5: at it from above. So you know, I think there

900
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 5: are these two sides to this. I think that it's

901
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 5: at least for the moment's optimistic story.

902
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 3: Ashley Vance is the author of Elon Musk Definitive Bio.

903
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: Now is a new book out called When the Heavens

904
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: Went for Sale, And we're talking about the future and

905
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 3: what we're looking at, and that is in the upwards

906
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: of we have five thousand satellites now, we're going to

907
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 3: look at one hundred thousand satellites fairly soon, and that's

908
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 3: going to change our dynamic when it comes to being

909
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 3: able to access information and put disinformation out there too,

910
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: because that's the good and the bad. One of the

911
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 3: other elements too, is you're telling me all these satellites

912
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 3: are when you look at some like Google Earth, right

913
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: and you go, oh, Google Earth, I'm gonna look at

914
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 3: my house everyone checks their heads, kind of like in

915
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: the old old days. If you remember when there's a

916
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: phone books came out, you look to see if your

917
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 3: name's in the phone book.

918
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: Same thing.

919
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 3: Now you looked at Oh, le'mon, look at my place

920
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 3: where I live, and you look and go, oh, that's cool. Yeah,

921
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 3: I built that deck like five years ago. Are we

922
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: going to start being able to look at our planet

923
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 3: and ourselves in real time?

924
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean this is happening already. The stuff on

925
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 5: Google Earth can be a little dated at times. With

926
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 5: that that era is quickly ending. So this company called

927
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 5: Planet Labs, they take about sixteen pictures of every spot

928
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 5: on Earth every day. We'll watch kind of the sum

929
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 5: total of human activity. It's not like espionage where you

930
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 5: can see somebody's face, but you can you can watch

931
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 5: oil tankers going all across the world. You can see

932
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 5: when North Korea launches up a missile. You can even

933
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 5: they usually saddle light to look at crops in the

934
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 5: field and see how much chlorophyllm is in the plants

935
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 5: and get the best yield and no one to harvest.

936
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 5: And so we are kind of like at this era

937
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 5: and people might be uncomfortable, but you know you're being

938
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 5: everything's being watched all the time. Yeah.

939
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know I said, okay, I won't be surveillance.

940
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: But heck, I recall even back like in the old

941
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: old days, you know, reading history and stuff like that.

942
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: Now you're older, you get more interested in history. I

943
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: don't know why that is. I didn't care less about

944
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 3: it when I was in eighth grade. Now all of

945
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 3: a sudden, it's like, you know, I'm I'm reading everything

946
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 3: I can. And so the old satellites even you could

947
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 3: see a license plate from outer space and that was

948
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 3: fifty years sixty years ago. But you tell me, it's

949
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 3: not about the surveillance. They but the technology is infinitely better.

950
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 3: Now it's only going to get better. Isn't it really

951
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 3: going to become de facto spyware?

952
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 5: You know, the satellites you're talking about are these giant

953
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 5: military grade satellites, And yes, they can see all kinds

954
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 5: of stuff. The trick is that they're even the US

955
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 5: only has a limited number of those satellites, and so

956
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 5: they can they can see spots, but only when they're

957
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 5: looking at something really specific. They're not sort of watching

958
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 5: the broad swath of what's going on the smaller satellites

959
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 5: as it makes people feel any better. The South Coast

960
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 5: can only be so big on those and the resolution

961
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 5: only gets so good, and they've had trouble just because

962
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 5: of physics kind of advancing them beyond that point. But

963
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 5: you raise, you know, you raise an interesting question as

964
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 5: to where this could head.

965
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 3: So Ashley Vance the huge question here to me, and

966
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: really what drives the Internet because it's all about this,

967
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: is like, how are these satellites going to influence porn?

968
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 5: Well, you'll be able to get on the mountaintop, okay,

969
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 5: because it's always down to that.

970
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 3: It's like, wow, the technology or research and science saying

971
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 3: what about porn?

972
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: And because it all boils out to that at the

973
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: end of the day.

974
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: So no matter what the new format is, somehow they're like, oh,

975
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 3: three D glasses, we got it, VHS tape, betamac, we

976
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 3: got ith satellites more porn.

977
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 5: Driver's a big driver.

978
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: What drives all these pornography? Drives the satellites?

979
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: Relative to Rocket Lab, I think that's a company you're

980
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: mentioning too. When we talk about national security, we talk

981
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 3: about the has and have not that's gonna you know,

982
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 3: military obviously is huge, but the ability for nations and

983
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 3: nation states to launch their own rockets to put their

984
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 3: hardware in space. Is that like a new frontier? And

985
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 3: how does something like you know, for example, the US

986
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 3: Space Force fit into that.

987
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's one of my favorite stories from the new book.

988
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 5: Rocket Lab is a company in New Zealand that was

989
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 5: founded by this guy named Peter Beck. And this is

990
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 5: the guy. You know, these rockets are essentially the equivalent

991
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 5: of ICBMs and missiles. And this is a guy he

992
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 5: didn't even go to college. He just did sort of

993
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 5: rocket tree in his backyard and his shed, and and

994
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 5: he's a brilliant engineer, but he's made he's made rockets

995
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 5: that are successful. Rocket Lab is really the second coming

996
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 5: of SpaceX. And so I argue in the book, you know,

997
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 5: this is a new era where the materials have got

998
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 5: good enough, computing's got good enough that any country with

999
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 5: someone who's smart enough, driven enough, and access to this

1000
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 5: is We're not talking about nation state capital or billionaire capital.

1001
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 5: We're talking about a few million dollars can make a

1002
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 5: go with this now. And so it is a new

1003
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 5: era where we're going to see a lot of new

1004
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 5: space sharing nations.

1005
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 3: Well, satellites seem like they're complimentary to one another, right

1006
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 3: outside of the military ones. Are we going to have

1007
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 3: that competition in space now between different countries?

1008
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: Like, what's it mean?

1009
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: It mean?

1010
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 3: It's one thing when the United States and NATO allies

1011
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 3: launch our satellites, would mean something different when either North

1012
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 3: Korea or Russia or China launches a satellite.

1013
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, And this is already shaken out, you know.

1014
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 5: So that the company with the most satellites in space,

1015
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 5: way beyond any government is SpaceX with their space Internet

1016
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 5: system called Starlak. But Amazon wants to build the same thing,

1017
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 5: so they've got an order for about fourteen thousand new satellite.

1018
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 5: There's a company called one Web in Europe that's doing

1019
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 5: the same thing. China is not happy that SpaceX has

1020
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 5: already built the space Internet. They want to do that

1021
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 5: as well. And so we're entering this time of both

1022
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 5: companies and countries wanting to do this to kind of

1023
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 5: seize this territory. And you know, I think we're in

1024
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 5: for a very interesting next ten to twenty years as

1025
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 5: all this shit.

1026
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 2: It's a new space race, right absolutely.

1027
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 5: I mean this is unlike anything we've seen before. I

1028
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 5: mean you had, you really had five governments that were

1029
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 5: moving very slow and control all this stuff for seventy years.

1030
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 5: And over the past three years you've had about two

1031
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty billion dollars in venture capital put into

1032
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 5: commercial space.

1033
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 3: It's incredible. It's happening right under our very eyes. We

1034
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 3: can't see them, but the stuff's happening all the time.

1035
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 3: Look at the night sky and look at all the satellite

1036
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 3: junk that's flying around up there.

1037
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,959
Speaker 2: It's amazing. One thing, you.

1038
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 5: Can see it, Yeah you can.

1039
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, one thing I don't know if it's in

1040
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 2: the book, and this may be outside the.

1041
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,479
Speaker 3: Scope of it, but I thought, okay, well, we've got

1042
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 3: this sub orbital, the satellites one hundred thousand satellites, and

1043
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 3: the shelf as you call it, of information. Just below

1044
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 3: that though between there and the ground is going to

1045
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 3: be drones because those are obviously hot and heavy, right

1046
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 3: new doing a lot of stuff.

1047
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: How does that does it relate to one another?

1048
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 5: Well, the you know just always on Internet that the

1049
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 5: satellites are setting down, I think are going to be

1050
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 5: the fabric that sort of keeps all these drones connected,

1051
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 5: that keep things like self driving cars connected. This communication

1052
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 5: network between all these new objects that we're creating, and

1053
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 5: then you know, people should know there's also I know,

1054
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 5: we had the Chinese fibulo, and there's actually there's companies

1055
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 5: working in the United States on all kinds of new

1056
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 5: high houssude balloon technology and even yeah, airships back. I mean,

1057
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 5: it's a really fascinating time in aerospace.

1058
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Ashley Vance on the show on seven

1059
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 3: hundred WLW he writes about all this stuff.

1060
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: It's absolutely fascinating.

1061
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 3: If you're geeky like me and love this stuff, you

1062
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 3: want to check out when the heavens went for sale,

1063
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 3: the misfits and geniuses racing to put space within reach.

1064
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 3: It is definitely the future. Ashley Vance, thanks for joining

1065
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 3: the show.

1066
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 4: All the best, Thanks so much.

1067
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jules is.

1068
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 3: Here on this Martin Luther King Day. And if you

1069
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 3: heard this happen before, So your adult child, you're adult

1070
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 3: child now tells you things about their childhood or maybe

1071
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 3: things that happened that you may have forgotten about don't

1072
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 3: match what money and your memories don't line up obviously,

1073
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 3: and maybe they're describing, you know, problems, hurt, loneliness, fear

1074
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 3: from moments that you probably have forgotten about or barely remember,

1075
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,479
Speaker 3: or maybe you remember things completely differently because you're coming

1076
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: at it from a different perspective, and so you want

1077
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 3: to correct them, and that would be the bad move.

1078
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Speaker 3: It's validation versus agreement. And Julie is here to talk

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Speaker 3: about that this morning on Mental Health Money. Julie, good morning.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 6: Hey, I'm good. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. This probably happens a lot.

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Speaker 6: It happens a lot, sometimes in really big ways and

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Speaker 6: sometimes just in little ways. Like you know, your kid

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00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 6: will say, hey, do you remember when this thing happened?

1086
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 6: And you're like, yeah, that's not how I remember it

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Speaker 6: at all. And sometimes it can be a much bigger

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00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 6: conversation if your adult child has some significant problems or

1089
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 6: challenges with how they were raised. So it can happen

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Speaker 6: in ways big and small. But as parents, it can

1091
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 6: really be hard for us to hear that we did

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00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 6: anything wrong or that anything we did had a negative

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00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 6: impact on our kids, because all we want is what's

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00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 6: best for our children, right, and so that can be

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00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 6: a hard.

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Speaker 3: Thing to hear, of course, And of course a younger

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Speaker 3: version of yourself knows a lot less in the current version,

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Speaker 3: and you're also a lot more calm, especially from a

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Speaker 3: guy's perspective. And there are things that you probably remember

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Speaker 3: and cringe at that they have forgotten, but other things

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00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 3: that may have happened You thought it was pretty good

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Speaker 3: and it turns out it was traumatic for them. It

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean you're right in there wrong or vice versa correct.

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Speaker 6: It just means that you know, keeping in mind, you

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Speaker 6: were the adult at the time and they were the child,

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Speaker 6: So they obviously have a very different perspective of the

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00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 6: same situation than you do. But also it's easy to

1108
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 6: wonder how they got to where they are and to

1109
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Speaker 6: want to be curious about that and to ask questions

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Speaker 6: about how they ended up getting that perspective or that

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Speaker 6: thinking or that feeling from that situation that felt very

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Speaker 6: different to you.

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Speaker 3: All right, So if you're a parent, let's start with us,

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Speaker 3: how can you distinguish between validating their emotional experience what

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Speaker 3: they see and accepting responsibility for harm that they don't

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Speaker 3: believe they caused.

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Speaker 6: Well, so validating and accepting responsibility are not anywhere near

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00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 6: the same thing. So validating is saying, yeah, if it

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Speaker 6: went down the way you say it did, I can

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Speaker 6: see why that was hard for you, or I'm really

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00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 6: sorry that that experience that I saw very differently was

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Speaker 6: so difficult for you. A really great example is a

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Speaker 6: vacation that parents think is terrific and kids feel they'd

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00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 6: rather be home with their friends. They feel like their

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Speaker 6: schedule was disrupted, They've got anxiety about what's coming next.

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Speaker 6: They're processing a lot of novelty in their little brains.

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Speaker 6: Parents think it's fabulous, they know what's going on. The

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Speaker 6: kids are kind of along for the ride, and so

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Speaker 6: the parents may think it was a wonderful trip, and

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Speaker 6: the kids may feel it was very destabilizing. That doesn't

1131
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Speaker 6: mean it was a bad trip. That just means that

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Speaker 6: they were different people, at different life stages and had

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Speaker 6: different experiences of it. So to be able to say,

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Speaker 6: I'm so sorry that what we thought was going to

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Speaker 6: be a really great thing for you turned out not

1136
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Speaker 6: to be a really great thing for you. It's not

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Speaker 6: saying you were wrong as a parent. It's just recognizing

1138
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Speaker 6: that your best intentions fell short for that child at

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Speaker 6: that moment in time.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that why Christmas Vacation still hits? Because that's ultimately

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Speaker 3: what that movie is, right Chevy Chase wants to have

1142
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 3: everything perfect for heal for their kids. Are these great

1143
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 3: experiences and it always is a complete nightmare. That's every parent.

1144
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it really can be. I had a client call

1145
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Speaker 6: me from Disney World. This was years and years ago.

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Speaker 6: He was there with his wife and his children, and

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Speaker 6: he said, Okay, Julie di Disney is not the happiest

1148
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Speaker 6: place on earth. She said, the kids are miserable. He said,

1149
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 6: the kids are miserable. They don't want to be here.

1150
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Speaker 6: It's too loud, it's too hot, it's too crowded. We're

1151
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Speaker 6: coming home. Disney is not the happiest place on earth.

1152
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Speaker 6: So they planned this wonderful trip for their children, and

1153
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 6: the kids were just not happy, and they came home early.

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Speaker 6: That's an indication of a parent understanding a kid's experience

1155
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 6: in real time. But I could easily see later on

1156
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 6: those kids coming back and saying, you know that trip

1157
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Speaker 6: to Disney that you took us on, man, that was

1158
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 6: a nightmare. That was really hard for me, and the

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Speaker 6: parent being really ascended by that or hurt by that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because you spent all it's the time effort of money,

1161
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Speaker 3: because you have this great family vacation in mind, or

1162
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Speaker 3: whatever it is the event. It could be the holidays,

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Speaker 3: as I mentioned to that, and it never is up

1164
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Speaker 3: to you. So you're upset and mad about it from

1165
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Speaker 3: a different reason, they are exactly exactly.

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Speaker 6: And so it's important as a parent, if your child

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Speaker 6: is coming to you with this kind of conversation, to

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Speaker 6: try really hard not to be defensive, to try really

1169
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 6: hard not to explain your perspective or to explain the

1170
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Speaker 6: situation or to justify your choices, but just to listen

1171
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Speaker 6: to what they're telling you and get really curious about

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Speaker 6: it and say, tell me more, I want to understand

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Speaker 6: what that was like for you, And try to be

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Speaker 6: as non defensive as possible, and stop if you find

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Speaker 6: yourself getting really worked up and wanting to argue back

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Speaker 6: with them, because then you're in an argument versus understanding conversation.

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Speaker 6: And that's really what we want as parents, is to

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Speaker 6: be able to understand where our kids are and at

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Speaker 6: some point offer them our perspective. Okay, I hear you. Now,

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Speaker 6: I want you to understand what it was like for me.

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Speaker 6: Are you open to hearing that? And offer them that

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00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 6: perspective at some point, but not right away. Not while

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Speaker 6: they're talking.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Julie hanntersh you here a licensed mental health therapist

1185
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Speaker 3: in Cincinnati. That's Mental Health Monday in the Scott Sloan

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Speaker 3: Show on seven hundred WLWT. We're talking about a children

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Speaker 3: when you get to this point, because everything you do

1188
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Speaker 3: as a young parent, you think, Okay, I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: do the best I can, and I think kids know that.

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Speaker 3: But when your adult child spits back to you, things

1191
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 3: about their childhood and their version of events are different

1192
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 3: than yours, and things that you thought were inocuous seem

1193
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 3: to be harmful to them, and vice versa. You can

1194
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Speaker 3: have that conversation. If I really want to screw that

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Speaker 3: conversation up with my adult kids, what would I do?

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Speaker 6: You'd get really defensive. You'd argue back, and you would

1197
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Speaker 6: compare their experience to their siblings experience, or your brother

1198
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 6: and your sister thought it was great, so what's wrong

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Speaker 6: with you? You would invalidate what they're saying. If you

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Speaker 6: really want to screw it up, you would invalidate what

1201
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 6: they're saying, and you would make them out to be

1202
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Speaker 6: the villain or the scapegoat, that they were the problem,

1203
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 6: that they caused all the difficulty that it was because

1204
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 6: of them that it went that way, and everybody else

1205
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Speaker 6: was faultless and blameless. So if you really wanted to

1206
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 6: screw it up, that's what you'd do, gotcha.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, It's like, No, what I feel matter is

1208
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 3: I'm going to I was like, Wow, it's interesting you

1209
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 3: would say that because I didn't see that from my perspective.

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Speaker 2: But I hear what you're saying exactly.

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Speaker 6: And it's also important to really take a moment to

1212
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 6: reflect on you're looking at this from a distance, as

1213
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 6: they are. You are now in the present and you're

1214
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 6: looking back. But if you can put yourself back in

1215
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 6: that place, were you really as focused and present and

1216
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 6: mindful and careful and thoughtful as you think you were?

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Speaker 6: Like so an example, right out of grad school, I

1218
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Speaker 6: worked with cancer patients in their families, and I had

1219
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 6: young kids at home, and I was working with life

1220
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 6: threatening illness and death at work, and I was really

1221
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 6: struggling to, like, you know, leave work and come home

1222
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Speaker 6: and be a fully present, engaged, happy, bubbly, fun mom.

1223
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Speaker 6: And so when one of my boys later in life said,

1224
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 6: you know, that was a really tough time for me,

1225
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 6: because you weren't around, and you weren't like you were there,

1226
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Speaker 6: but you weren't there. I had to reflect and say, honestly,

1227
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Speaker 6: you know, you're right, it probably wasn't. I was brand

1228
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 6: new doing this kind of work. I was working with

1229
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Speaker 6: really hard stuff, and when I came home, I probably

1230
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Speaker 6: wasn't there to the degree that I wanted to be

1231
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Speaker 6: or thought I was. I can totally see that. But

1232
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Speaker 6: that took some reflection on my part to realize that.

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Speaker 3: How much of this is kicking yourself as a parent,

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01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 3: Julian that it's like, Wow, you think of the times

1235
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Speaker 3: you could have done more, been there, or done things,

1236
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 3: and you think, hey, there's a reason why my kids

1237
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 3: And it could be social, it could be relationship, it

1238
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 3: could be job, could be substance, if it could be

1239
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 3: all these things. We tend to blame ourselves. It's like, man,

1240
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Speaker 3: I was terrible as a parent because my kid isn't

1241
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 3: successful at this, this or this.

1242
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Speaker 6: Well. I think that sometimes we parents take too much

1243
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 6: of the blame and not enough of the credit for

1244
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 6: how our kids turn out. That's not true for everybody.

1245
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 6: I know parents who take all the credit for how

1246
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 6: their kids turned out. But I think so many of

1247
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 6: us say our kids' successes are theirs and their failures

1248
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 6: are shortcomings, or challenges are hours. And I think they're

1249
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 6: partly hours, and they're partly theirs, and I think they're

1250
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 6: success us as they're partly ours and partly theirs. And

1251
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Speaker 6: I think it's important to realize that that's true for

1252
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 6: our parents as well. Like we are who we are

1253
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 6: because of how we were raised, positively and negatively, our

1254
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 6: kids are who they are because of how they were raised.

1255
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Speaker 6: And your best intentions as a parent can still be

1256
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 6: the wrong thing for one or more of your children.

1257
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Speaker 6: You can't foresee every possible follow on consequence of any

1258
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 6: decision you make. That's not to let you off the

1259
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 6: hook for making bad decisions. That's just to say, no

1260
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 6: matter how well you think you've figured it all out

1261
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 6: and thought it all through, things can happen that you

1262
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 6: didn't plan on that turn out to be not as

1263
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 6: good as you'd hoped. So it's about taking the right

1264
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 6: amount of responsibility for how your children turn out, positively

1265
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 6: or negatively, and giving them responsibility for how they turn

1266
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Speaker 6: out as well.

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Speaker 3: And part of this is you taking a kind of

1268
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 3: them taking come out of those zone. So if you're

1269
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Speaker 3: an adult child and you're having this conversation or why

1270
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 3: have this conversation, I guess the question would be is

1271
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 3: it too late? I mean, if you know your parents

1272
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 3: are in their nineties and you're in your sixties, it

1273
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 3: said too late to talk about this kind of stuff,

1274
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Speaker 3: or you probably won't, I'm guessing because the longer it

1275
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 3: goes more uncomfortable, it's not only going to feel but

1276
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 3: nobody's going to remember anything.

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Speaker 5: Well.

1278
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Speaker 6: That may be true, and is it necessary or is

1279
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 6: it useful? That depends. So if what you're talking about

1280
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 6: is something that has impacted who you are now and

1281
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 6: you'd like your parent to understand you better, like I

1282
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 6: am this way in part because of these things that

1283
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 6: happened in my childhood when you were bringing me up,

1284
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Speaker 6: and you'd like them to understand you better. That's a

1285
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 6: valid reason if you feel like you just need to

1286
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 6: say these things. Whether your parent remembers or believes it

1287
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 6: or understands it, or whether they're going to be able

1288
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Speaker 6: to make any changes going forward or not, it's important

1289
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Speaker 6: just for you to say it to them. Hey, I

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Speaker 6: am this way because of these positive things, but these

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Speaker 6: challenges I have. I think they're because of this. If

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Speaker 6: that's something that you need to do for yourself, that

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01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 6: makes sense if you find that what happened is getting

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01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,919
Speaker 6: in the way of your relationship with them, and you'd

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01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 6: like to have a better relationship, Clearing the air, getting

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01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 6: some understanding, helping them know you better, and understanding maybe

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Speaker 6: more about how they saw things at that period of

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Speaker 6: time can really improve your relationship with at any age,

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Speaker 6: whether it's ninety or whether it's sixty five. It can

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Speaker 6: really help improve the relationship with your parents at any age.

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Speaker 6: One of my boys and I had just such a

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Speaker 6: conversation a few years ago, and things have been much

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Speaker 6: better between us since.

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Speaker 3: Do you say, hey, got to do some homework and

1305
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 3: think of the ways I've screwed you up, or you

1306
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 3: just have like an organic conversation, make a list, but

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01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,919
Speaker 3: on not more than three.

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Speaker 6: No more than three, of all the ways I've screwed you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think if we parents are honest, we can

1311
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 6: look back and see things that we wish we'd done differently,

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01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 6: wish we had done that we didn't, or wish we

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01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 6: hadn't done that we did. And I think that if

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01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 6: we can take our own inventory of how we succeeded

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01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 6: and where we fell short as a parent. Then when

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01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 6: our kid, and for many of us, this will happen

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01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 6: when our adult kid comes to us and says, hey,

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01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 6: I want to talk to you about something, and I'll

1319
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 6: tell you often it happens when they themselves have children

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Speaker 6: and become parents. Then we've already done sort of an

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Speaker 6: inventory of that, and we have some sense of our

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01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:33,439
Speaker 6: own of where we feel we exceeded expectations and where

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01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 6: we feel we fell short, So it shouldn't be a

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Speaker 6: huge shock to the system.

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Speaker 2: What else am I missing about this generational conversation?

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Speaker 6: Jalie Well, I think that the important things to remember

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01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 6: are that children do this most of the time because

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Speaker 6: they want the relationship to be better and they feel

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01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 6: misunderstood or not known by their parent, or they feel

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01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 6: like they don't understand why mom our dads showed up

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Speaker 6: the way they did at that point in time, and

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01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 6: they want the relationship to be better. And I think

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01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 6: when as parents people come to us, our kids come

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01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 6: to us and seemingly criticize our parenting, we feel like

1335
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 6: it's because they want they don't want things to be better.

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01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 6: We feel it's negative when in fact, it's trying usually

1337
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 6: trying to reach a level of understanding, to improve the relationship,

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01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 6: to clear the air, to declutter things, and to get

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01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 6: some understanding between parent and child about what happened. And

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Speaker 6: so if we go into it with that mindset of

1341
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 6: openness and curiosity and lack of judgment, I think that

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01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 6: can be really helpful.

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Speaker 2: Is it almost all.

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01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 3: The cases unless there's some major event or major trauma

1345
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 3: when the parents dies or something massive happens. In most cases,

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01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 3: is it more like things that you have forgotten about?

1347
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 3: Are they forgotten about or they had a different prayer?

1348
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 3: It was bigger for them than wes re you and

1349
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 3: vice versa.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's often bigger for them than it

1351
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 6: is for us because their children and everything is bigger

1352
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 6: for children than it is for adults, right because they

1353
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 6: don't have the experience or the perspective or the level

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01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 6: of understanding of the world. Their world is what we

1355
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 6: created it to be as parents when they're very young,

1356
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 6: and so small things seemingly small things to us can

1357
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 6: be really big to them. But also the same thing

1358
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 6: can read differently to different children. So one of my sons,

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01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 6: if I would say to him, I'm really disappointed in

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01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 6: that choice you made. It would devastate him. The other

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01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 6: one would be like, thank you for offering your opinion, Julie,

1362
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 6: I appreciate, and it wouldn't matter to him at all, right,

1363
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 6: But for the one, it would devastate. If I said

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01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 6: I'm really disappointed, that was like a knife to the heart.

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Speaker 6: So different kids in the same situation can have different

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01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 6: reactions and perspectives to things. Also just depending on the

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01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 6: kind of person that they are and that they are becoming.

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01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 6: So yes, it's that their kids, we're the adults, but

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01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 6: also they're their own people. They're becoming their own people,

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Speaker 6: and so things are going to hit them differently.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that makes that makes total sense. Should you

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01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 3: prepare for this conversation ahead of time and say, hey,

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01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 3: we're going to sit down and talk about all they

1374
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 3: say would just simply say, hey, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what, how do you how do you even open

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01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 2: the subject?

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01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 5: Well?

1378
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 2: I think uh should open the subject mom and dad?

1379
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 2: Or are kids?

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01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 5: Well?

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01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 6: I think it could go either way. So I think

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01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 6: if you know as a parent that there's some distance

1383
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 6: or disconnect between you and your adult child, you can

1384
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 6: say something like I would really like to understand why

1385
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 6: we feel so disconnected. I'd really like to understand from

1386
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 6: your perspective why there's so much distance here, because I

1387
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 6: don't think it's coming from me. Maybe it is, but

1388
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 6: I don't think so, So i'd really like to understand that.

1389
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 6: But as if you're the kid, you can say, hey, listen,

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01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,439
Speaker 6: there are a few things about my childhood that I'm

1391
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 6: coming to understand differently or realizing or getting a different

1392
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 6: perspective on, and i'd really like to talk to you

1393
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 6: about them. Can we sit down and do that. It

1394
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 6: is best not to just blindside people and hijack them

1395
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 6: and start lobbing things at them when they're not expecting it,

1396
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 6: but setting up a time to sit down and talk,

1397
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 6: and then taking some time if you're the one being

1398
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 6: invited to the conversation, to really reflect on what my

1399
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 6: role was, what may be coming up, and how much

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01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 6: responsibility does it make sense for me to take?

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01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how. And as a parent too,

1402
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 3: so that we always try to do it's best for

1403
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 3: our kids. It's hard not to internalize this and take

1404
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 3: each one of these things is like a major I

1405
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 3: guess in a front to how we raise them, because

1406
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 3: I'm sure they understand it was difficult and there's no

1407
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 3: roles for this, specially they have kids of their own.

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01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 6: Sure, and when they have kids of their own, as

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01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 6: I said, that's often a time when these conversations come

1410
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 6: up because they're understanding things differently. They're seeing a similar

1411
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 6: situation happen with their children that happened with them, and

1412
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 6: they're recognizing how they handle it and how they may

1413
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 6: have handled it similarly or differently to the way their

1414
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:04,600
Speaker 6: parents handled it. And so they're seeing the juxtaposition of

1415
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 6: being a parent versus being a kid, and it adds

1416
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 6: new perspectives to their childhood. And yeah, it can be

1417
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 6: a very difficult thing to hear from your kid that

1418
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 6: things that you did didn't work well for them. And

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01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 6: the hardest ones, frankly, I think are the ones that

1420
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,600
Speaker 6: you thought you nailed and they're like no, no, no,

1421
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 6: that was really bad.

1422
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I think, right, so.

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01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 6: We can all look back and say, wow, I really

1424
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,680
Speaker 6: screwed that one up. I did not do that well.

1425
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 6: And your kid says you did not do that well,

1426
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 6: and you can say, no, I know, I really didn't

1427
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 6: do that well. But the things you think you crushed

1428
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 6: and they're like Nope, that was an epic fail. Those

1429
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 6: are the hard ones because your perspectives really diverged there

1430
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 6: in a very big way.

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Speaker 3: Well, instead of looking this like an exit interview, you

1432
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 3: probably should look at this as like, hey, you know what,

1433
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 3: you're an adult like, we're moving to a different phase

1434
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 3: of our relationship, and the way to move forward with

1435
01:09:58,400 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 3: it is having this conversation.

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01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 6: Exactly and to understand how and why things happen the

1437
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 6: way they happen. Usually when kids have these conversations with

1438
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 6: their parents, they want to tell them their perspective, but

1439
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 6: then they also really want to hear what was going

1440
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 6: on for mom or dad at that point in time.

1441
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 6: Why did you choose this? Instead of that, I want

1442
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 6: to understand you better too, not just I want to

1443
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 6: load all unload all of this junk on you and

1444
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 6: then walk away. They're looking for some reconciliation, some understanding,

1445
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 6: some greater connection. That's usually why they're doing it, and

1446
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 6: so keeping that in mind can keep us as parents

1447
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 6: in the right headspace.

1448
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 4: All right.

1449
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 3: She's Julie hattersh here, a licensed mental health expert. Here

1450
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 3: on the Scotsland Show every Monday morning, It's Mental Health

1451
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 3: Monday with Julie, It is really informative. I think a

1452
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 3: lot of people listen and go, wow, I probably should

1453
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 3: have this conversation, or maybe if you're not all kid,

1454
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 3: it's like, it's never too late to do this. So yeah,

1455
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 3: you can always you can't fix or you can't I

1456
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 3: guess change what happened, but you can fix the way

1457
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 3: things are moving in the future. And some closure as well.

1458
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 3: All the best have a great appreciate you, thank you.

1459
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 3: How about some news We do that in three minutes

1460
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 3: here on seven hundred WW Cincinnati.

1461
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 5: You want to be in a.

1462
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 3: Hey, it's lonely on seven hunter w ALW. What a

1463
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,560
Speaker 3: wonderful time to be alive. Then again, maybe it's not

1464
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 3: a wonderful time to be alive. You know, we have

1465
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 3: this era of communication that we're in riding. We get

1466
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 3: so much information from all sides at all times, half

1467
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 3: of it fake, other half of it real. You know

1468
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 3: who to believe at any one time. And we live

1469
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 3: in an atmosphere too. When you say something or post

1470
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 3: something now on social you open yourself up for a

1471
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 3: tax like we've never seen before. Whether you know, everyone's

1472
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 3: a title of theirn opinion but not their own facts. Right,

1473
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 3: and even just posting your opinion you can get broiled

1474
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 3: pretty good. So in that regard too, despite this wonderful

1475
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 3: avenue of communication, we have a paradox and that is

1476
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 3: a lot of people are afraid to voice their opinion

1477
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 3: because you're afraid people will reject you. And there's something

1478
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 3: that's driving this thing, and it's called the weaponization of loneliness.

1479
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely fascinating. Stella Moribidos on the show to talk about

1480
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 3: it this morning on se on under WLW Scots Sold show.

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01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 2: Stella, good morning, how are you?

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01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 7: Good morning? Thank you, I'm fine. I hope you're doing

1483
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 7: well too.

1484
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 3: You know, someone could take that question just to me,

1485
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 3: asking how are you and you said I'm fine, and

1486
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,680
Speaker 3: someone if you posted that on the I don't know,

1487
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 3: Twitter or the Gram or Facebook or whatever it might be,

1488
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 3: someone would attack you for saying I'm fine.

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01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 2: And that's what you're.

1490
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 3: Talking about, right, is no matter what you say, there's

1491
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:24,759
Speaker 3: someone out there lurking that's going to take those words,

1492
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 3: use it against you, or counter those claims and really

1493
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 3: try to ruin your day.

1494
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a crazy, upside down world we're living in

1495
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 7: right now. And thanks so much for having me on

1496
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 7: to talk about my book, The Weaponization of a Loneliness,

1497
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 7: because I believe that basically my thesis is that all

1498
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 7: of these crazy agendas that we are dealing with today

1499
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 7: that have turned into crazy policies is because of self censorship.

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01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 7: And that self censorship happens when we're fearful of being

1501
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 7: ostracized for expressing what we really think or believe, or

1502
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 7: what we even see before eyes. And you know this,

1503
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 7: this fear is easily exploited and has been exploited for

1504
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 7: many decades. And you know, people are kind of like

1505
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 7: waking up and saying, how do things get crazy with

1506
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 7: all these different agendas, you know, the transgender thing, and

1507
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 7: you know, extreme environmentalism and all that. And I believe

1508
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 7: it's because we have for way too long shut up

1509
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 7: about what we believe, or even lie about what we

1510
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 7: believe a lot of people do that to avoid rejection

1511
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,560
Speaker 7: or to get some kind of sense of status and acceptance.

1512
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 3: I was equated Stella to It's kind of like the

1513
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 3: Thompson's gazelles, right, and everyone it's a social thing. First

1514
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,480
Speaker 3: of all, we're a tribal society, right, we need companionship

1515
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 3: and socialization.

1516
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 2: I get that whole thing.

1517
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 3: But the streaming that is now, it's like you're heard

1518
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 3: of Thompson's Gazelle's where you know, the line will pick

1519
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 3: off the weakest one, the one that's kind of floating

1520
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 3: away from the flock.

1521
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 2: And no one wants to be that thompson gazel.

1522
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 4: Right.

1523
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 3: I want to you know, I may look at something,

1524
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 3: whatever ideology I subscribe to, right, and even though I think, uh,

1525
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 3: I you know a lot of it's starting to get

1526
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 3: wrong and it's it's misguided and it's erroneous. But I'm

1527
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 3: afraid to step out of that and go, yeah, I

1528
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 3: don't want to criticize part of my herd because I

1529
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 3: don't want to be that Thompson's gazelle that gets thrown

1530
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 3: out of the herd and eaten by the line.

1531
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 7: That's right. Yeah, it's you know, it's a very hardwired impulse, right,

1532
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:39,839
Speaker 7: you know, to avoid being cast out or to avoid

1533
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 7: being the one that you know has made an example of.

1534
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 7: And but we have to stand back and understand that,

1535
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 7: you know, even as bystanders were not safe. If you know,

1536
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 7: if things get to a tipping point as they seem

1537
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 7: to have gotten today, you know, with you know, political

1538
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 7: correctness and the fear of speaking out and speaking you know,

1539
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 7: what we believe. So what happens when we keep when

1540
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:11,679
Speaker 7: people keep shutting up about what they believe. Over time

1541
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 7: you get something that, uh.

1542
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,560
Speaker 5: There's a model that Elizabeth Noel Newman.

1543
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 4: Brought up.

1544
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 7: Identified in a book she called the Spiral of Silence.

1545
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 7: And what happens is that there's this illusion of public

1546
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 7: opinion that's not really true. It's an illusion that's been

1547
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 7: built through the silence of people who are fearful of

1548
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 7: expressing what they really believe. And we've got to snap

1549
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 7: out of it. We've got to understand that free speech

1550
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 7: is use it or lose it. And when we keep

1551
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:49,560
Speaker 7: re re you know, reflexively responding to these demonization campaigns,

1552
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 7: and that's how it's done by tyrants. They they have campaigns,

1553
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 7: usually with slogans. There's you know, there's one hundred different

1554
01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 7: things that they say, you know, whether it's bigot or

1555
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 7: now it's like election denier or you know, primate change denier.

1556
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 7: You know, goes on an anti vaxxer, you name it,

1557
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 7: conspiracy theorists. People become reflexively fearful of being identified that way,

1558
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 7: and so they shut up, and that's very dangerous. It's

1559
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 7: a very very dangerous. Yeah, it's phenomenon that got us

1560
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 7: to where we are today, I believe.

1561
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 3: And now Stella Marbeter, do you think the reason why

1562
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 3: that is too? It seems like it's worse now than

1563
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 3: ever before, but that's always every generation, right, the world's ending.

1564
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 2: I don't understand what the nation is in danger.

1565
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 3: Democracy is going to fall, and you know that's I

1566
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 3: think that's just people who have been around the block

1567
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 3: don't understand the new movements that are going on because

1568
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 3: America is always in the state of flux.

1569
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 2: We can get to that one.

1570
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 3: But I look at what you just said and I

1571
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 3: couldn't agree more that. You know, it's the and I

1572
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 3: think the problem too, And see if you agree with

1573
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 3: this is because of things like social media's I pointed out,

1574
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 3: there's so many platforms and so many opinions on those

1575
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 3: platforms that I think most people, Okay, maybe I'll check

1576
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 3: my feed once in a while looking for you know,

1577
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 3: kittens playing pianos and funny videos of people guys getting

1578
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 3: hit the stones and stuff like that, Whereas a lot

1579
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:12,679
Speaker 3: of the content out there and it's just so toxic

1580
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 3: and vitriolic that that I think people there's so much

1581
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 3: noise that people are starting to tune it out. A

1582
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 3: lot of people in the middle just like I don't

1583
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 3: I don't want to clutter my mind with all that stuff,

1584
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 3: and so what's left the extremes.

1585
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:26,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I think yeah, I think that, And that

1586
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 7: would be a very good thing if people started really

1587
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:35,480
Speaker 7: tuning tuning that out, because the social media technological communications

1588
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 7: in general is what has really magnified all of this

1589
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 7: polarization and all of this uh uh separation or isolation.

1590
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 7: Of course, COVID fast tracks a lot of that by

1591
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 7: actually enforcing our isolation and basically forcing people to get

1592
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 7: on you know, get on their devices because they're you know,

1593
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 7: isolated and there the rest and all that. But I

1594
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 7: think you're right that as people can start to see

1595
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 7: through it, you know it, they will hopefully develop more

1596
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 7: face to face, one on one, you know, relationships, which

1597
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 7: is really what will save us. I think, I think

1598
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 7: that living a virtual life versus real life is kind

1599
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 7: of what got us here and what made us so

1600
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 7: successible to these dynamics that you know, where Tyrone's exploits are.

1601
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 7: Fear of being ostracized, that it. You know, when people

1602
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 7: are able to say what they believe, they could be

1603
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 7: pleasantly surprised that those who have shut up for so

1604
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 7: long will say, oh wow, you know, I thought it

1605
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 7: was all alone. And you know, and even if the

1606
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 7: person is you know, the you know, woke or whatever,

1607
01:18:54,720 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 7: you've watered down the stereotype of what they expect. You know,

1608
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 7: when you know, just somebody in daily life that that

1609
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 7: you encounter and you expressed what you believe, it will

1610
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 7: have a very healthy effect if if we start using

1611
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 7: our our you know, our constitutional right to free speech.

1612
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 3: Stella moribido with the weaponization along in this this morning

1613
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 3: on seven hundred w LW explaining how we got to

1614
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 3: this state right down the components and the great the

1615
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 3: visitness that we have in this world in America specifically Stella,

1616
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,839
Speaker 3: how much did in the last four years did COVID

1617
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 3: have to do with this and being isolated there?

1618
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 7: Yes, oh yeah, yeah, being isolated uh and forced and

1619
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 7: but it wasn't just that. It was a lot of

1620
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 7: the hostilities that were cultivated, uh you know, sadly through

1621
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 7: our so called leaders uh, you know, with the whole

1622
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 7: all the mandates and everything. People would you be accused

1623
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 7: of being an anti vector or not allowed at the

1624
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 7: Thanksgiving table, and and it created a lot of un

1625
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 7: necessary and very damaging hostilities, you know, during COVID. But yeah,

1626
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 7: I think that people, you know, to a certain extent,

1627
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 7: people are waking up with you know, having had that

1628
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 7: extra time on their hands. And on the other hand,

1629
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 7: there are people with time on their hands, who are

1630
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 7: you know, pushing a lot of this or a lot

1631
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 7: of this exploitation that you know. Of course, we got

1632
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 7: here through almost one hundred years of something called you know,

1633
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 7: cultural Marxism, where almost one hundred years ago there were

1634
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 7: discussions about you know, doing that long march through the institutions.

1635
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 7: And of course, as you can see, most our institutions

1636
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 7: have been subverted over time, especially education, and because education

1637
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 7: was subverted, all the other institutions that require credential, whether

1638
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 7: it's law or you know, the courts or the legislatures

1639
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 7: or you know, medicine. I mean, you know, all of

1640
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 7: that is you know becoming corrupted as a result. So

1641
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 7: that that's kind of where we are. But so the

1642
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 7: main institutions that we have to protect and what I

1643
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 7: believe have always been the big prize of the solitarians

1644
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 7: are those institutions that protect us from the mass state.

1645
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 7: That would be family, faith, and community, I mean true community,

1646
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 7: friendship and and volunteerism and the local level that is

1647
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 7: so important to uh, you know, it all begins at

1648
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 7: the local level, the preservation of freedom. And so you know,

1649
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 7: when we if we can, we could take there's a

1650
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 7: lot we can take heart from in that. But we

1651
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 7: have to protect that private sphere of vice because that's

1652
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 7: where that's where our real power is. And you know,

1653
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 7: our relationships.

1654
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 3: Orbido on the show on seven hundred WLW weaponization a loneliness.

1655
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 3: So where's this going is? Is this gonna all come

1656
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 3: to a head? Does it continue to get worse where we.

1657
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 7: Well, I think that we can put a stop to

1658
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 7: it if we begin on the local level to you know,

1659
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 7: to in all of our relationships, to say what we

1660
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 7: really believe. And there's you know, those of us who

1661
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 7: have strong relationships to fall back on. I mean a

1662
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 7: lot of people don't, like you know, there's a lot

1663
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 7: of family brokenness that has affected youth and uh, you know,

1664
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 7: faith and community. But those of us who can fall

1665
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 7: back on those strong uh, you know, the sanctuaries of relationships,

1666
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 7: have to lead the way and have to start, uh,

1667
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 7: you know, speaking out about what we believe. Because as

1668
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 7: I said before, where is it leading West Brian? Uh,

1669
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 7: free speeches, use it or lose it, and uh, you know,

1670
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 7: it can lead. It definitely leads to tyranny if we

1671
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 7: if we stop using our rights, our constitutional, unalienable right

1672
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 7: to to speak freely about what we believe. That's what

1673
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 7: allows the real truth to to come out. And uh

1674
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 7: So anyway, that's that's that's what I would say. I

1675
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 7: mean in my books, the weaponization loneliness. I kind of

1676
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 7: trace the the history of these dynamics from the French

1677
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:24,919
Speaker 7: Revolution on I, you know, and I look at the science,

1678
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:29,679
Speaker 7: the conformity, you know, experiments of Solomon Asks and many others,

1679
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 7: uh and uh and the institutional subversion. But at the

1680
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 7: end of the day, it really falls on us as

1681
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 7: individuals too, you know, to learn to to speak out

1682
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 7: in the you know, despite all of this, uh, you know,

1683
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 7: all all the pressures, all the pressures too, you know,

1684
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:57,480
Speaker 7: to exploit our fear of being isolated ostracized.

1685
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the new mccarthy'sm except it's it's more not

1686
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 3: only more global, but more encompassing than just McCarthy's as

1687
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:06,759
Speaker 3: a small sliver of it right back in the fifties,

1688
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 3: because you know, we have the wolf culture. Now if

1689
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 3: you tweet or say anything mean that someone's going to

1690
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 3: tell you safe spaces and all a little nonsense. Then

1691
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 3: you have Twitter, so you know, well pre musk anyway,

1692
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 3: now we're going to go after what people are saying

1693
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 3: or you know, trying to fact check people's opinions and

1694
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 3: how far do you want to slice that apple to

1695
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 3: the point of absurdity. But you're right, you know, if

1696
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 3: you let people see and speak freely, even if it's

1697
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 3: erroneous or misguided, and then let public opinion debated and

1698
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 3: argue it and get some of the finer points out there,

1699
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 3: I think that success. When you try to shut down

1700
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 3: free speech even if you disagree with it, we're shredding

1701
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 3: the Constitution again. Stella more Abido's on the show this

1702
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 3: morning on seven hundred WW. It's called the weaponization of loneliness,

1703
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 3: Tyrant stoke our fear of isolation, the silence, divide and conquer.

1704
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 3: Absolutely fascinating and spot on.

1705
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 5: Thank you very much, you betch them.

1706
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know the discussion about TikTok bands, some countries

1707
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 3: banning social media stortain ages and the like. I think,

1708
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 3: you know, future generations are going to learn from this

1709
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:03,679
Speaker 3: and go, Okay, we can't believe everything we see. Maybe

1710
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 3: we will become more grounded in a sense and become

1711
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 3: more suspect of things rather than being the sheeple that

1712
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 3: we are. And also knowing the fact that most of

1713
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 3: the stuff posting, a lot of the crazy stuff out

1714
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 3: there are bots. Anyways, and I've been real people.

1715
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 2: We got to get a news update in It's a

1716
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 2: Scott Sloan show.

1717
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 3: When or return. James Repene is here. We had football

1718
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 3: this weekend. What we have football? The AFC NFC championship

1719
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 3: games are set a lot of controversy rolving around my bills,

1720
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 3: but not just.

1721
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 2: There, but elsewhere too. The pair of the NFL is

1722
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 2: absolutely incredible. You couldn't script it any better, which makes

1723
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 2: people go, you know they script all this stuff right,

1724
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 2: speaking of controls on social media. Incredible.

1725
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 3: We'll set the stage next James Rapine from Bengals Talk

1726
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 3: dot Com and Lockdown Bengals.

1727
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 2: Just ahead.

1728
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 3: We'll also preview tonight's National Championship game as Indiana looks

1729
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 3: to make it a perfect season in Miami. Details coming

1730
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 3: up Scott's Loan show seven hundred W. Scott's Loan here

1731
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 3: on seven hundred WLW. The championships are set in the

1732
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 3: National Football League AFC. It's New England at Denver, and

1733
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 3: then Seattle will host the Rams on the NFC side

1734
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 3: and determine who is going to go to the Super Bowl.

1735
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 3: We also have the College Football National Championship game tonight

1736
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 3: and IU which everyone here is pulling for. I know

1737
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 3: I am against number ten Miami home game for them,

1738
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 3: but it feels destined that I you should win this thing.

1739
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 3: We'll get into that and more and just minutes here

1740
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 3: James Rapeen is standing by James of course with Bengals

1741
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 3: Talk dot Com locked on Bengals and Sports Illustrated.

1742
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 2: James, good to have you back, brother. How are you?

1743
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 8: I'm great?

1744
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 5: Are you?

1745
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 2: I'm fine?

1746
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 3: Much rather be talking about the Bengals headed towards the

1747
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 3: AFC Championship again. But there's some lessons here. We'll get

1748
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 3: into that for our Bengals. Let's just start maybe talk

1749
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 3: a little bit about the four games over the weekend

1750
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 3: with den Well, all right, let's just pull the band

1751
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 3: aid off. My Bills got beat by Denver in overtime

1752
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 3: in a thriller thirty three thirty and the loss thirty

1753
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 3: three thirty. The final straw for ownership in Buffalo is

1754
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 3: Sean McDermott is no longer head coached, removed from duties

1755
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 3: as head coach of the Buffalo Bills. And I'm sure

1756
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 3: some are saying, well, the roughs cost him his job.

1757
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 3: And I'll preface this by saying, you know, when you

1758
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:18,600
Speaker 3: commit as many turnovers as boneheaded plays, Josh Allen was

1759
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 3: very un Josh Allen like with a few of these plays.

1760
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,719
Speaker 3: You had James Cook, who is the league's leading rusher

1761
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 3: but all the leagues leading fumbler as a running back.

1762
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 3: That though, those are problematic. But what everyone's talking about,

1763
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 3: of course, is the third and eleven from the Bills

1764
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 3: thirty six. Alan throws a deep ball to Brandon Cook's

1765
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 3: eighty five year old Brandon cooks it looks like he

1766
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,560
Speaker 3: makes a catch, he falls the ground, there's contact and

1767
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 3: Jakwan McMillan, their cornerback, comes up with the ball, rips

1768
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 3: it out for the ant. Sean McDermott calls for a

1769
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 3: time out. They said, can you review the play, they

1770
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 3: said no, and I'll be damned if I'm not watching

1771
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 3: that in New England game and guess what happened, James,

1772
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 3: same damn play and they rolled it a catch for

1773
01:27:59,120 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 3: New England.

1774
01:27:59,600 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 5: Here we go.

1775
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 3: It makes it worse because it's New England. So give

1776
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 3: me analysis that is it overblown?

1777
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 2: Did they get it right?

1778
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1779
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 8: I think they did get it right. I think it's

1780
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 8: really close and when you slow it down, it's easy

1781
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 8: to look at it and be like, oh, well, clearly

1782
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 8: he had possession. Clearly he's down, like I've seen screen

1783
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 8: captures and all those things. But that's about it. What

1784
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:26,680
Speaker 8: it was is the cornerback was pulling it away from

1785
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 8: the cook to earth. They were falling and pulled it

1786
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 8: away from Cooks and you're probably about a half skin

1787
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 8: away from it being a complete catch and saying they

1788
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 8: caught it at the same time or whatever and giving

1789
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 8: the tide of the offense. I actually do think they

1790
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 8: got it right, and and I totally get what you're saying,

1791
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 8: because yeah, they did have it. It was in the

1792
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:51,679
Speaker 8: Rams game DeVante Adams over the middle and DeVante's going

1793
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:52,680
Speaker 8: down and.

1794
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 2: That one tooland game as well. It's like it.

1795
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 3: And that's so NFL right that they're like, okay, but

1796
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:02,640
Speaker 3: they took time, they looked at that stuff. That's you know,

1797
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 3: you can make a case, Okay, hey did he have it.

1798
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 3: I you know, I'm a Bills fan. I'm gonna say

1799
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 3: he made the catch and we got screwed because that

1800
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 3: pushes the narrative that it wasn't us, it was them

1801
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 3: and it's us against the world. I get that kind

1802
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 3: you know, every team has that attitude. But the fact

1803
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 3: that they didn't go okay, hold on, just let's take

1804
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 3: a beat here. It's it's over time. Let's just take

1805
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:21,600
Speaker 3: a beat and look at this thing like they do.

1806
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 3: They didn't do that, and that's now what the unemployed

1807
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 3: Sean McDermott was saying.

1808
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 8: Sure, and they absolutely should have done that. To your point, Yeah,

1809
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 8: they absolutely should have reviewed it because that call, it's

1810
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 8: like any angy of those calls in overtime, it's going

1811
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 8: to decide the game. If that's rule they catch, the

1812
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 8: Bills are in the AFC Championship Game. Yeah, and the

1813
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 8: Bills are the ones that are going to New England

1814
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 8: now a divisional match up with a Super Bowl appearance

1815
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 8: on the line. So yeah, I think that's the part

1816
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 8: that would be the most frustrating to me, is if

1817
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 8: you're going to have to replay and you're going to

1818
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 8: have all these resources, you need to make sure that

1819
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 8: it's right. And I believe that they got it right,

1820
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 8: but you still want to check to make sure right.

1821
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 3: It's not like it's, you know, second last game of

1822
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 3: the season. It doesn't matter that that this means something.

1823
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 3: And I will say this, it's interesting. My brother and

1824
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:16,640
Speaker 3: his wife went out to the game, went out to

1825
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 3: Denver for it, and he said after it's like so

1826
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 3: many Denver fans are sitting in bars and they're like, man,

1827
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,680
Speaker 3: that was a catch. So even Denver fans are like, well,

1828
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:26,679
Speaker 3: you guys got to thank for us, But you guys

1829
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 3: got kind of job there.

1830
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 2: If this story couldn't get more bizarre.

1831
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,559
Speaker 3: In Denver Advancity the AFC title game, Bo Nicks breaks

1832
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 3: his ankle on the second or last play before the

1833
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 3: game winning field goal. So Jace Jared's did him. The

1834
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:41,440
Speaker 3: backup has a week to get ready. That's unprecedented.

1835
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's.

1836
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 5: How do you do that?

1837
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 8: It's either going to be a Disney movie for one way,

1838
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 8: or a Disney movie the other way, and it's you know,

1839
01:30:55,920 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 8: I I think it's one that is a local tide

1840
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 8: of this. And I wrote this yesterday that the Denver

1841
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:07,680
Speaker 8: Broncos they believed in Jared Sidham and they paid him

1842
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 8: a two year, twelve million dollars deal. And so that

1843
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 8: doesn't mean that he's going to play well in the

1844
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 8: AFC Championship team against New England. But what it does

1845
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 8: mean is they they gave themselves an actual quality backup option,

1846
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 8: which you want to have, and you never know what

1847
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:27,719
Speaker 8: could happen. And it's really unfortunate what happened. What happened

1848
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 8: at bot Nick h Really honestly, I thought, I thought

1849
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 8: Sean Payton has throwing the ball far too much. When

1850
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 8: you see the ball fifty times of boone, next run

1851
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 8: the ball a little bit more.

1852
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:39,040
Speaker 4: They didn't.

1853
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 8: And uh yeah, So now how do you find your

1854
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,600
Speaker 8: way to a super Bowl? You're four quarters away and

1855
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:47,439
Speaker 8: you have Jared Sidham, So it's a it's a tough ask.

1856
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 8: On the other side if you're New England and you're like, hell, yeah,

1857
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 8: we have Jared Siddam, so we have to go up

1858
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 8: right right.

1859
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 3: And there is a much film on him yeah, are

1860
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 3: they going to scheme here? And that's also a home

1861
01:31:58,200 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 3: game for the Broncos too, Let's not lose that one.

1862
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 3: New England gets there to play the Broncos. By beating

1863
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 3: Houston twenty eight to sixteen, he could kind of feel

1864
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 3: this coming in Houston. Defense is unbelievable.

1865
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 2: But CJ.

1866
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 3: Stroud does not look like the CJ. Stroud of a

1867
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 3: couple of seasons. Go four picks and just didn't look

1868
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 3: He looked as bad as he did in Pittsburgh. I

1869
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:16,559
Speaker 3: think didn't.

1870
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 8: Yeah he did, I mean worse I was. I don't

1871
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 8: know what's going on, Troy. It's been a few times

1872
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:26,759
Speaker 8: on the broadcast mentioned he may have a hand injury.

1873
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 8: I don't know, man. I just awful, I mean awful

1874
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:33,679
Speaker 8: quarterback back. I guess that's the one thing if you're Denver,

1875
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 8: Jared Stadham can't be worse than c J. Stroud. Yeah,

1876
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 8: so you have that as a floor. He's he was

1877
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 8: so promising as a rookie and I sink back to

1878
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:47,760
Speaker 8: that game here that he had and that was kind

1879
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 8: of the beginning of the CJ. Stroud rookie experience where

1880
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 8: the Houston Decans gone to make the playoffs. That year

1881
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,559
Speaker 8: they win a playoff game, and they won a playoff

1882
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 8: game in each of his first three seasons. But this

1883
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:00,600
Speaker 8: year was obviously because of the defense last week in

1884
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 8: Pittsburgh and then this week. I don't know, because now

1885
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 8: they're going to decide whether or not to pay him

1886
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 8: like he's he's eligible for a contract extension. Can you

1887
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 8: imagine paying CJ. Shouts fifty million dollars per year after that?

1888
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 8: I don't think I could do it.

1889
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:16,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1890
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:20,719
Speaker 3: You know, this air has been over for a while, James,

1891
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:22,320
Speaker 3: and for those who are just kind of casual with it,

1892
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 3: it's you know, the Texans have a super Bowl caliber defense,

1893
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 3: no question, but it's offensive wins championships. If you don't

1894
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:32,559
Speaker 3: have CJ. Stroudter quarterback that's capable, you ink in advance Seattle,

1895
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 3: speaking of which looks like the real deal. H the

1896
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,760
Speaker 3: foregone conclusion is that they're the super Bowl champs this year.

1897
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 3: Forty one six. They put San Francisco out of their misery.

1898
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 3: It kind of looks that San Francisco as a team

1899
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:45,439
Speaker 3: looked like Aaron Rodgers. This was like the last gasp, right,

1900
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 3: They're only put up six on the net they're rebuild

1901
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 3: mode behind brock Party.

1902
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels that way.

1903
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 8: You know, they had a lot of injuries, and you know,

1904
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 8: I thought that they had a chance going in the

1905
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 8: wild card round and then you go in and you

1906
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:05,880
Speaker 8: lose George Kittle and that's just the next injury, and

1907
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 8: it's like they just they just don't have enough on all.

1908
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:12,560
Speaker 8: You know, And you're right, you're right about offense winning championships.

1909
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 8: A lot of people listening probably disagree with that, maybe

1910
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 8: roll their eyes. It's exactly what happens in today's NFL.

1911
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 8: You have to have dudes around your quarterback and when

1912
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:24,800
Speaker 8: they walk Kittle, I knew it would be enough hill

1913
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 8: climb and you flip it seattle Man. They didn't even that.

1914
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 8: They did that in Jackson Smith and Jigbuk didn't. It's

1915
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 8: not like he had a huge game. They leaned on

1916
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 8: the run game. Cam Donald only threw it seventeen times.

1917
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 8: He didn't have to do a lot, and so you

1918
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 8: got Kenneth Walker running for three touchdowns. Cooper cup led

1919
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:46,519
Speaker 8: them and receiving. Guess what, Cooper Put's not going to

1920
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 8: leave them in receiving this week. They're gonna be able

1921
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 8: to lean on that passing game that they need to

1922
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:54,599
Speaker 8: and so yeah, there, their defense is really good. They're

1923
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 8: well coached. Obviously they had Mike McDonald and what was

1924
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 8: the Ravens defensive coordinator before going to Seattle. It's a really,

1925
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 8: really tough matchup for.

1926
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 3: The Don't see a lot of flaws here with Seattle,

1927
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:08,559
Speaker 3: right because you know defense, as we mentioned, I think

1928
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 3: it went forty four points to six teams at face

1929
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 3: over the last seven games. At force some turnovers like crazy,

1930
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:16,880
Speaker 3: and you know, the Seahawks have an eight game winning

1931
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:18,559
Speaker 3: streak round. It's just the hot hand and they're going

1932
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:20,680
Speaker 3: to ride this on the back of Sam Donold, who

1933
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:22,040
Speaker 3: looks like the real deal.

1934
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:23,559
Speaker 2: They are going to face.

1935
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:26,560
Speaker 3: Once again against these It's the parody and also the

1936
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 3: script to the NFL. They started this run when they

1937
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 3: overcame a sixteen point fourth quarter deficit to win an

1938
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 3: ot in the RAM against the Rams in Week sixteen,

1939
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 3: and they have them in the NFC Championship game and

1940
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 3: they dispatch Caleb Williams, and Caleb Williams a little like

1941
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 3: mister do mister don't. He makes an incredible pass on

1942
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 3: fourth and four. It's like a fifty yard pass to

1943
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 3: get fourteen yards because he backpedals much hills, hits colek

1944
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:54,719
Speaker 3: Met in the corner. People are going nuts in Chicago,

1945
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 3: converts a fourth down and OT and then throws his

1946
01:35:57,960 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 3: third pick of the game to give up the game

1947
01:35:59,439 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 3: winning field.

1948
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:00,599
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1949
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:03,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's.

1950
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 4: He was so good.

1951
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 2: And then he looked so bad. Yeah, and and that.

1952
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 8: That throw that decision. It's it's tough because it with

1953
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:21,559
Speaker 8: DJ Moore, was he supposed to keep running. I haven't

1954
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:22,639
Speaker 8: seen the post game comments.

1955
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:24,400
Speaker 4: I turned it on. It was obviously.

1956
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 8: To me, Yeah, it felt that way too. And what

1957
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 8: I would say is I'm just so impressed with Caleb

1958
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 8: Williams and how he how he responded. I mean that

1959
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:42,719
Speaker 8: fourth down, I have no idea how he made that play.

1960
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 8: I just I was like, all right, well, this is

1961
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:46,679
Speaker 8: how it's going to end. Like the moment he started

1962
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 8: running backwards, I was like, oh my god, Like, there's

1963
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:52,920
Speaker 8: just no chance. And there are some quarterbacks on the

1964
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:56,560
Speaker 8: planet that can make those kinds of plays. And so

1965
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 8: for them to win as many close games as they

1966
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 8: did and continue to do what they did down the

1967
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 8: stretch of these games, I think you can really build

1968
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 8: on that as the heck of a year for New Bears.

1969
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:10,639
Speaker 8: I think there are a lot of scenarios where after

1970
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 8: that player they win.

1971
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,640
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams to me, just doesn't look like I don't know,

1972
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 3: it seems like he's regressing here to some degree, because yeah,

1973
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 3: you talk about the heroics there, but three of his

1974
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 3: picks they turned into ten points. That's plenty when you

1975
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 3: win twenty to seventeen. Matthew Stafford, who is one of

1976
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 3: the MVP favorites, if not the favorite right now, he

1977
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:32,040
Speaker 3: struggled for the middle part of that game.

1978
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 2: By the way he did.

1979
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 8: He did. That's that's what was a bit odd, I

1980
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 8: would say to me, is how much of a defensive flood.

1981
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:41,280
Speaker 4: Test that was?

1982
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:43,559
Speaker 8: And I think it's a reminder that these playoff games

1983
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 8: sometimes they are ugly. You know, you could be a

1984
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 8: great quarterback and turn them all over like Josh Allen

1985
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 8: did or Cayleb Williams did, And I'm not saying they're

1986
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:55,040
Speaker 8: in the same category as Matt Stafford did. And he

1987
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:59,719
Speaker 8: got away with one or two almost interceptions as well.

1988
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 8: And uh, I mean usually comes down to a big

1989
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:05,520
Speaker 8: play like that, right, So your defense, you need playmakers

1990
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 8: in your offense. You need guys that are gonna be

1991
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 8: able to step up and make a player or two

1992
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 8: and and that's what happened. I mean after the interception,

1993
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 8: made a big play to get them downfield and as

1994
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 8: they were working their way in the field goal range.

1995
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 4: So it's, uh, it's gonna be a tough one.

1996
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:26,559
Speaker 8: I do think that rams Seahawks, that they played two

1997
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 8: great games, that's gonna be good. Round Round three should

1998
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 8: be great.

1999
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:33,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sam Donald the best quarterback of the weekend by far,

2000
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 3: and again that was that was just an absolute Uh.

2001
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:38,760
Speaker 3: They got trucked, is what happened there?

2002
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 4: All right.

2003
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:42,639
Speaker 3: So that's AFC NFC Championship. Tonight we have well college

2004
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 3: football final game of the Year, National Championship Game number

2005
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:47,280
Speaker 3: one IU, which everyone on here is loving.

2006
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:47,679
Speaker 2: I'm loving.

2007
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:49,800
Speaker 3: I you against Miami. It's a home game for them,

2008
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:51,960
Speaker 3: but screw Miami. I hate Miami.

2009
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 4: By the way.

2010
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:55,160
Speaker 3: The only chance that this city's going to see a

2011
01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:58,759
Speaker 3: championship in Miami, of course, just tonight, because the Dolphins

2012
01:38:58,800 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 3: ain't got it going on for sure.

2013
01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:02,360
Speaker 4: I say, go, I you and I'm right with you.

2014
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 4: I'm rooting for them.

2015
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:04,439
Speaker 5: I hope they do it.

2016
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:07,599
Speaker 9: It is really hard to get in this position, even

2017
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 9: with the coach they have, even with Nil and Mark

2018
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 9: Cuban and all those things happening. I hope they finish

2019
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:17,600
Speaker 9: it because this might be their only chance to do this,

2020
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 9: and maybe not, maybe they have other chances. But Fernando

2021
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 9: Mendoza is about as likable of a guy as you

2022
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 9: can have. He's going to be the number one pick.

2023
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:30,800
Speaker 8: He's going to go to Las Vegas, which is kind

2024
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 8: of wild to me when you see his personality in

2025
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:36,639
Speaker 8: his interviews, but that's what's going to happen. So we'll

2026
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 8: see if he can get a national championship one tonight.

2027
01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 8: And yeah, I don't know anyone rooting for Miami.

2028
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:46,200
Speaker 2: Other than in my well.

2029
01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 3: I mean, it certainly is the you know, they're the

2030
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:50,920
Speaker 3: dog of college football playoffs because they beat a seven

2031
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:52,600
Speaker 3: to six and the number two in Ohio State. But

2032
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:56,400
Speaker 3: my god, the Hoosiers have just steamrolled everybody, I mean, right,

2033
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 3: thirty eight three in the Rose Bowl, fifty six against Oregon,

2034
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,839
Speaker 3: and no one is stopping Fernando Mendoza in this defense.

2035
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:07,280
Speaker 3: And it's so good that even Kurtz Signetty may smile

2036
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 3: at some point.

2037
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 8: He might, he might have he might smile a little bit.

2038
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:16,160
Speaker 8: I love his mindset and his attitude. You never know

2039
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 8: where he's going in interviews, and a lot of what

2040
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:23,760
Speaker 8: he says is is relatable in a lot of ways.

2041
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 8: But it certainly I never thought Indiana football would be

2042
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:33,719
Speaker 8: the Indiana you know. It's just it's wild. So, yeah, Miami,

2043
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:37,840
Speaker 8: they're the underdogs on paper right because of the season.

2044
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:41,400
Speaker 8: Let's be honest, from a from a program standpoint, it's

2045
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:45,640
Speaker 8: not close. Historically, Indiana was nowhere near this, and so

2046
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:47,479
Speaker 8: if they could finish this off, what a what a

2047
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:48,120
Speaker 8: run it would be?

2048
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:49,639
Speaker 2: It should be a blowout tonight.

2049
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:52,720
Speaker 8: I mean, I hope it's a good game because I

2050
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 8: reached the good games in the one game I didn't

2051
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:57,599
Speaker 8: finish over the weekend. Guess which one?

2052
01:40:57,640 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 4: It was?

2053
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:01,800
Speaker 3: No reason, no reason, I turned that off, Like first

2054
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:04,320
Speaker 3: quarter'm I like, okay, this is gonna There's no way

2055
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 3: it just gets over. No chance, no chance. So all right,

2056
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:12,320
Speaker 3: that's uh seven thirty tonight, right, seven thirty. I believe that,

2057
01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 3: yeah somewhere around there. Anyway, Well, the pregame started yesterday,

2058
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 3: so we're good.

2059
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:16,519
Speaker 5: Uh.

2060
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:19,080
Speaker 3: James Rapine, of course, our guy over at Bengals Talk

2061
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:21,599
Speaker 3: dot com and lockdown Bengals. Why don't we get together

2062
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 3: next week and chop up and see who's going to

2063
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:25,840
Speaker 3: this little Super Bowl preview, if you will, and talk

2064
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 3: about officiating and turnovers and everything else, because that was

2065
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:30,240
Speaker 3: a weekend full of it, for sure.

2066
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 2: But I appreciate you. Thanks.

2067
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it seven seven thirty. There you going

2068
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:37,400
Speaker 3: to look it up seven thirty tonight. I'll be watching

2069
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:38,320
Speaker 3: for sure. Appreciate man.

2070
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 4: I have a good one, thanks, Gott.

2071
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:42,720
Speaker 2: All Right, we're rolling the news and uh, I don't

2072
01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:43,559
Speaker 2: know Willie's here today.

2073
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:45,240
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I think ken Brew is here actually,

2074
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 3: so we'll do that right after news on this MLK day, Sloany,

2075
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:50,599
Speaker 3: home of the best Bengals coverage, Home of the Reds.

2076
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 3: We're inside that what almost sixty day market this point,

2077
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 3: pretty close to it anyway. Seven hundred WWD, Cincinnati,