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Speaker 1: She's on administrative leave, but she's still chief, that's her title.

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Speaker 1: In studio, her brother Russ Neville, part of the Neville

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Speaker 1: family and your storied career in law enforcement here in

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Speaker 1: what's going on with this issue, to thank you and

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Speaker 2: Man, it is an amazing thing.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Brian, very very much appreciated, and to you too,

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Speaker 3: and thank you forget giving us an opportunity to share

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's an important thing you just brought up there.

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Speaker 1: What is your role? Do you have a designated role?

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Speaker 1: Are you doing this just because she's your sister? What's

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Speaker 3: At the inception of this meeting with Terry and mister

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, and misterim is her attorney, which will make

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Speaker 1: Now you read the report, your reactions you were talking

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Speaker 3: Well, are the sworn there's approximately nine hundred. There's an

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Speaker 1: Okay, Logically, I want to ask, how is it that

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Speaker 1: What you describe, I believe is one sided report, and

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Speaker 3: You have it, and they're avoiding in that report if

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Speaker 3: There's no mention of such, and we know with Terry's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I we believe the law firm recognizes there is

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Speaker 3: Yes, and it is of interest here, Brian. Historically unions

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Speaker 1: It does indeed speak volumes. And you know what else

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about her performance reviews. Let's talk about how

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Speaker 3: Let me get into my files here, Brian, see if

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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas, Russ Neville in studio, part of the Neville family.

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Speaker 1: Just an absolute blessing for the city of Cincinnati. Had

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Speaker 1: the Nevils in the police work for multiple how many generations?

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Speaker 1: Russ three three regenerations? That's amazing, and God bless each

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Speaker 1: But moving over to police chief Fiji. How many thirty

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Speaker 1: five years with the Cincinni Police Department, Russ, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: thirty five years, yes, sir. Now she was appointed the

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Speaker 3: The review at the time appeared very thorough, and the

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Speaker 3: And she has performed with the expectations with the admirably.

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Speaker 1: Then up until the moment of times she was placed

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Speaker 1: seems to me, they had glowing praise for her in

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Speaker 3: No, there are none. Prior to the recall from Denver

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Speaker 3: Terry had no idea this was coming. There was not

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Speaker 3: no indicational everything positive. Matter of fact, Brian, I don't

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Speaker 3: after clip after clip of positive statements, positive photos, everything

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Speaker 1: And how often does one get a performance review?

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Speaker 3: Annually? Annually?

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Speaker 3: No, And she was interim for a period of time, Pride,

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Speaker 3: It is true, Will, So not only did she have

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Speaker 1: And what if they haven't done one under the normal course,

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Speaker 3: It wouldn't prompt a review, an annual performance review. Those

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Speaker 3: the failure to do that, I can't even begin to answer.

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Speaker 3: But they don't exist. They didn't happen. As far as

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Speaker 3: So yeah, you would sit them down, have a discussion,

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Speaker 3: And then there's an expectation placed on what where their

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Speaker 1: Right corrective action plan.

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Speaker 2: Chief DG.

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Speaker 1: We think you're failing behind in these couple of areas.

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Speaker 1: Here's what we're going to recommend you do to turn

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Speaker 3: None, zero, to the point that I have asked that

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Speaker 1: But that was close in time to being placed extremely close,

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Speaker 3: Yes, and at the direction and agreement with the manager

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Speaker 1: To make the city police better. Yes, And she did

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Speaker 1: not know. How could she know She's told to go

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Speaker 1: The crime can happen eighty times. She's got to do

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Speaker 3: It's part of her role, as part of any administrator's role.

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Speaker 3: And no, there was no indicat not to go, and

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Speaker 3: And let me tell you, Terry's life outside of the family,

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Speaker 1: And so up until that moment in time, nothing but praise,

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I know there are listeners maybe in Claremont County or elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: I can have Mississippi. Janins all the ways back in town.

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Speaker 1: He listens for Mississippi. This may not be a topic

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Speaker 1: Plus it's also a reflection of government generally speaking and

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Speaker 1: in federal government. Russ Neville. I hope it all works

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Speaker 3: Russ are comment on the fact that there's an anticipation

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Speaker 3: will come out, and Terry will have her say, and

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Speaker 3: Terry will stand tall at the.

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Speaker 1: End, and we will patiently wait for that happened to happen.

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Speaker 1: Russ Neville, thank you for your time today and I

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Speaker 1: appreciate your advocacy on behalf of your sister and sort

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Speaker 1: We'll have you back in hopefully soon.

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Speaker 2: Russ. Have a great week end and marry and happy