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Speaker 2: Well, in the last few days, in the last couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks, President Donald Trump has had a lot to

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Speaker 2: say about Greenland. It's unclear to me what he wants

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Speaker 2: This is a statement, Rob're gonna ask you to play

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Speaker 1: Greenland should be part of the United States.

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Speaker 3: Nobody's gonna fight the United States militarily over the future

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Speaker 2: Well. Uh, the President hasn't quite said that yet, but

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Speaker 2: when close advisors say that, it causes a lot of concern.

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Speaker 2: I'm delighted to be joined tonight for about thirty minutes

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Speaker 2: to the former, the actual the Ambassador to unice US

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, he has served. Alan Leventhal

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Speaker 2: served as US Ambassador to Greenland from July first, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two to January twenty at twenty twenty five, that's

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Speaker 2: one year ago today. So Alan Leventhal, welcome back to

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Speaker 2: Night's side. I couldn't think of a better person to

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Speaker 3: I'm doing fine, Dan, and so delighted to be with

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Speaker 3: you and your audience. And there's certainly a lot of

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Speaker 2: Well, you have an amazing pedigree and background. Your major

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Speaker 2: you secured in nineteen seventy six. The chairman of the

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Speaker 2: an overseer up at the Tuch School in Dartmouth. You

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Speaker 2: also were the chairman of Beacon Capital Partners, and as

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Speaker 2: I said, you also have a career as a diplomat.

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Speaker 2: What do you things going on? This is an idea

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Speaker 3: Don't, But you have to recall in the first Trump

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Speaker 2: So what I don't understand here and when I hear

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're much better connected on this than I am.

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Speaker 3: Well, Dan, I have a I think that we have

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Speaker 3: All of this goes back when I was still in

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Speaker 2: Sure, well, when we get back. What I'd like to

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Speaker 2: consider me as a buyer. Now, you know, if the

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Speaker 3: Dan, Dan, I think the Greenlanders have already answered that question.

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Speaker 3: I think they have said, thank you very much, mister President.

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Speaker 3: We love America, we want to do more with America, okay,

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Speaker 2: And it was I'm always trying to figure out Trump,

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Speaker 3: Think I think I think we're making it too complicated.

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Speaker 2: Dan fair enough, and I'll try it. I will keep

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Speaker 2: He knows this subject better than anyone that I could

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Speaker 2: I guess this Ambassador Alan Leventhal. He was the United

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Speaker 2: until January twentieth of last year. Ambassador Greenland has a

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Speaker 3: Well, Dan, first of all, I think yes, I think

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Speaker 3: It's going to be up to them. Dan, I think

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Speaker 3: And Dan, we already have that right agreement. We have

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Speaker 3: The American people get it. In Greenland. They understand that

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Speaker 2: You have made your argument very convincingly, mister ambassador. My

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Speaker 3: I can't speak to that. I can't speak to that.

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Speaker 3: So I think we're in a very challenging period of time.

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Speaker 2: My last question, obviously, the President heads to Davos tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Ambassador Lowenthal, Alan, thank you very much for your wisdom

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you much. I appreciate you joining us tonight,

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Speaker 3: I've always a delight to be with you, and I

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Speaker 2: I think you've reached a lot of people tonight, I

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Speaker 3: I would welcome that. Dan be well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, mister, Ambassador Alan Leventhal, former United

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Speaker 2: We'll be back on Night's Side. An extraordinary interview, an

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Speaker 2: This has become a more serious topic of conversation in

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Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray, Boston's news Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, that was a serious conversation with Ambassador Alan Leventhal.

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Speaker 2: It was something that I listened to. I hope you

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe she had us on mute. Is she not there? Okay, Sorry, Sandra,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Hi, I was hoping that Alan would be on

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Speaker 4: It's the Jack Porter. We're both Northwestern graduates.

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Speaker 2: Alan indicated that he would stay until ten thirty, and

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Speaker 4: I understand. Well, he's a very smart guy.

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Speaker 2: I think by the way Jack, I think that he

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Speaker 4: Well, I would respectfully actually disagree. I think Trump has

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Speaker 2: And again clearly Alan is convinced he is. When you

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Speaker 2: I hope you listen. Every night there were there were

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Speaker 2: there were high level conversations going on at the Vatican

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Speaker 2: that involved Russia and allowing Maduro safe passage to Russia.

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Speaker 2: Must much must much like Assad is in Russia. As

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Speaker 2: a Catholic, I wasn't particularly happy to hear that the

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Speaker 2: Pope was spending time worried about the physical safety of Maduro.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to see him in jail facing charges here

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Speaker 2: in the States.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, Ambassador Levi Allen later, now very distinctly. This

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Speaker 4: is a very big difference between a good friends like Denmark,

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Speaker 4: a stable country people, Yeah, and Venezuela, which is a

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Speaker 4: corrupt crime written country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, it was. It was a narco it

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Speaker 2: was a narco terrorist state. I would accept that characterization.

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Speaker 4: So I think, you know, everyone should relax. He's going

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Speaker 4: to leap with the people and uh those he's going

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Speaker 4: to get a few concessions or whatever, maybe bigger bays

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Speaker 4: more you know, were earth metals. Yeah, and he'll move on.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Jack, this is probably I have never been

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Speaker 2: closer to your analysis in my life, and I think

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Speaker 2: each of us should should reconsider our positions only getting.

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Speaker 4: Jack, We're getting closer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Jack, we'll talk soon. Have a great night.

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Speaker 2: Good night again. We'll take a break one line six

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Speaker 2: one seven, four ten thirty. I want to give everybody

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Speaker 2: an opportunity, and I will uh and and we will

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Speaker 2: take this into the next hour. So believe me, we

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Speaker 2: have full lines. This is a very important subject, underscore

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Speaker 2: by the sobriety of what the seriousness of what Ambassador

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Speaker 2: Alan Leventhal had to say. He was not uh, he

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Speaker 2: he knew what he was saying, and he was saying

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Speaker 2: it for a reason, and he was sounding an alarm.

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Speaker 2: Back on night Side right after.

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Speaker 1: This, you're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's

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Speaker 1: news radio.

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Speaker 2: Back to the phones we go. Let me go next

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Speaker 2: to on David san Antonio. Dave, what are your thoughts

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Speaker 2: on this one?

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Speaker 5: I think listener what's his name doesn't know what he's

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Speaker 5: talking about.

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Speaker 2: Well, well that's that's he's I think he does know

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Speaker 2: what he's talking about. You may disagree with.

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Speaker 5: What you You and everybody else he got TDS would,

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Speaker 5: but I don't.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So here's my ques. Then tell me, don't tell

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Speaker 2: me what you think. Okay, what do you think the

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Speaker 2: president's plan is here? Oh?

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Speaker 5: I I that he's going to He may take Greenland,

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Speaker 5: But how do you think he'll make for don good

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Speaker 5: reason and he'll do it peacefully?

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Speaker 2: How will you do that peacefully?

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Speaker 5: He'll do it peacefully?

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Speaker 2: How will that?

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Speaker 5: I'm not a genius like Donalds.

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Speaker 2: So so he'll go over and he will charm the

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Speaker 2: leaders of Denmark and they.

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Speaker 5: Will I don't know about charming. He may'll take it

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Speaker 5: over financially. He'll have financial weapons at his disposal, and

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Speaker 5: he'll give those people no choice either.

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Speaker 2: So, Dave, I'm asking asking you questions because I'm actually

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Speaker 2: interested in your response. Do you think when you say

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Speaker 2: he'll take it peacefully, do you think he will purchase

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Speaker 2: it from Denmark?

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Speaker 5: Hey may.

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Speaker 6: Do you think that then he would make it a

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Speaker 6: state or do you think he would treat it as

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Speaker 6: a territory like you know we treat you know, Puerto

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Speaker 6: Rico or the Virgin Islands.

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Speaker 5: I know he'd like him in the state, but he

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Speaker 5: may settle it like Puerto Rica in the Virgin Islands.

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Speaker 5: But I know he'd like to make a mistake. I

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Speaker 5: know he'd like to make a Canada state.

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Speaker 2: Well, he like you too, good luck? Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, and again i'd like ice cream for breakfast

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Speaker 2: in the morning every day.

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Speaker 5: But don't don't. Don't cut that guy short. Don't cut

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Speaker 5: him short. You know, when I was a kid, Hank

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Speaker 5: Aaron was my hero. But I'm gonna tell you something,

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump makes Hank Aaron look like a token. That

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Speaker 5: guy is one hell of a leader.

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Speaker 2: He's how many home runs? How many home runs does

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump have?

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Speaker 5: Well, he's got mcdua in prison. That's one home run.

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Speaker 5: He's got all these drug dealers dead trying to get

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Speaker 5: into our country. That's another home run. He's got those

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Speaker 5: criminals up in Minnesota shaking it up.

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Speaker 2: I think again, you're mixing your metaphors here, but I

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Speaker 2: think that Hank Aaron was the greatest home run hitter

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Speaker 2: in the history of baseball. And I think here, Hank,

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Speaker 2: I think we're kind of wasted our wasted our time.

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Speaker 2: All right, David, I appreciate your perspective. Let's see what happens, okay,

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Speaker 2: and when if it turns.

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Speaker 5: Out, what you remembers, what you remember.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, Dave, don't interrupt me. I was just gonna say,

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Speaker 2: if it turns out as you've suggested, I hope you

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Speaker 2: call back and uh and remind me of our home conversation.

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Speaker 5: One more fact, what more fact? I want you to

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Speaker 5: contemplate just what got done saying or not international television

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Speaker 5: that Greenland is not own Denmark or anybody green words

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Speaker 5: up for grabs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Lavrov maybe trying to do Donald Trump a

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Speaker 2: favor to you know, sometimes very rare. I don't think

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Speaker 2: I think I think the Russian What do you think

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Speaker 2: Russian is going to invade green Do you think Russia

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Speaker 2: is going to invade Greenland.

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Speaker 5: They've got ships all around and so so the Chinese

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Speaker 5: and and and and England wants to give that island

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Speaker 5: that they partially own there. They want to give it

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Speaker 5: to a country that's a kid to the Chinese.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea what you're talking about on that point.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's an island that the uk Os that we

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Speaker 5: have soldiers. We have soldiers there too, are you talking.

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Speaker 2: About the Are you talking about the Farrell Islands.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and they want to turn it over to the

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Speaker 5: country that's a kind to the Chinese.

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Speaker 2: Okay, out, all right, thanks Dave, appreciate your call is

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Speaker 2: always always interesting. Let me go to George in andover

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Speaker 2: Georgia next a nightside.

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Speaker 7: Yes, and I have a lot of perform you know.

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Speaker 7: By the way, uh Misster Eleventhal, Ambassador Eleventhal, his father

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Speaker 7: has a magnificent map map collection in several places in Boston,

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Speaker 7: including in the Boston Harbor Hotel at Rose war And

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Speaker 7: that's good, you know.

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Speaker 2: Geo, go right ahead, Well that's good. That's good to know.

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Speaker 2: Address if you would what we're talking about tonight. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 7: So in the seventies and eighties I had clients at

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Speaker 7: Woodshull Oceanographic Institute, and they were working for the Army,

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Speaker 7: the Navy, the Air Force. After Dartmouth College, the US

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Speaker 7: Army has the Cold Regions Experimental Laboratory. They were also

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Speaker 7: my client Native Lads, Watertown, Arsenal and others.

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Speaker 3: They all had projects to try to.

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Speaker 7: Make Pulley Air Force Base, which is up there and

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Speaker 7: has a magnificent runway, the land the largest containerized fuel

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Speaker 7: plane or cargo plane or they could take everything out

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Speaker 7: of there. But it's built on permafrost. The only power

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Speaker 7: within ten thousand miles more or less is the nuclear plant,

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Speaker 7: the experimental plant that they built with MIT in the

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Speaker 7: nineteen fifties. That nuclear plant provides them with any power

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Speaker 7: that they would have have to have. They have to

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Speaker 7: get from that nuclear plant. It has a cooling water

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Speaker 7: that he take from from the the Arctic zone. The

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Speaker 7: plant heats the cooling water which is undermining the perma

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Speaker 7: frost underneath the runway. The whole thing is held together

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Speaker 7: with bailing wire.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so how does that? How does that play into

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Speaker 2: what Donald Trump is is contemplating, into what Ambassador Leventhal

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Speaker 2: just shared with us. Where does that? Where does that

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Speaker 2: lead us.

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Speaker 7: Well, let me just finish by saying that Donald Trump

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Speaker 7: wants to if he's going to send a whole bunch

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Speaker 7: of people soldiers in planes, they're going to go off

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Speaker 7: the end of the runway and sink to the bottom

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Speaker 7: of the sea.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 7: What's really at play.

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Speaker 3: Here is.

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Speaker 7: The mineral rights. That's what he's really interested in. However,

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Speaker 7: twenty years ago, British petroleum in the North Sea, which

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Speaker 7: is not as far as the Arctic Circle and has

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Speaker 7: better weather, they built an experimental new oil rig for

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Speaker 7: oil and gas. They were planning on trying to move

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Speaker 7: that or build a better one in the Arctic. It

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Speaker 7: was a complete failure. So British Petroleum is never going

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Speaker 7: to go to the Arctic for How does this.

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Speaker 2: Play to what Donald Trump's likely going to do? GEO,

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Speaker 2: That's what we're trying to get at. The information is interesting,

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Speaker 2: But what is the implication of that information as to

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Speaker 2: the situation that a mass at eleventh All?

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Speaker 7: Oh, okay to the game here has always been for

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Speaker 7: as long as Donald Trump ran for office. Since twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 7: the game is Donald Trump is the Manchurian candidate and

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Speaker 7: he wants to have NATO abandon the United States and

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Speaker 7: join with Russia and hook up with China. It's all

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Speaker 7: about moving all of the assets that we now think

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Speaker 7: of as our allies and take them away from us,

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Speaker 7: and we will become the next Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: I see. Okay, Well, if that happens, please call back

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Speaker 2: Geo and take a victory lap. I'm up against it here.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that is true.

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Speaker 7: But again, of course I overstated it, Dan, but that

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Speaker 7: is true.

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Speaker 2: A little bit. A little bit. That's fine. You could

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Speaker 2: call back and when you take a victory lap if

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Speaker 2: that turns out to be true in any form or fashion,

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Speaker 2: I'd love to have you call back. But we'll talk

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Speaker 2: on other subjects between now and then. You beg you gial.

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Speaker 2: Here comes the eleven o'clock news, and let's focus back

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Speaker 2: on what you think Donald Trump is going to do.

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Speaker 2: GEO thinks he's the Manjurian candidate. I think most of

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Speaker 2: you understand what that means. If you don't call me

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Speaker 2: and I will explain it. I think he's anything, but

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Speaker 2: I think he's arguably a meglomaniac. But I don't think

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Speaker 2: he's a manturing candidate. But that's okay. Join the conversation

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Speaker 2: back with Nightside. After this