1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: It's Night's Eyes with Dan Ray. I'm going easy Boston's 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: News Radio. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 2: Here we are everybody, Wednesday night. It is about eight 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: oh six. Actually now it's eight oh seven. As the 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: clock just keeps moving forward, every sixty seconds a minute 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 2: goes off the clock. My name's Dan Ray, host of 7 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 2: Nightside Her every weeknight from eight to midnight right here 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: on WBZ, Boston's news radio. Rob Brooks is back in 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: the control room. We have four topics we're going to 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: talk about in this first hour. No phone calls during 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 2: the eight o'clock hour with the night Side News Update. 12 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: How We're going to talk with state Representative Christopher Marky. 13 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 2: He's going to be with us in just a moment 14 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: talking about a new piece of legislation that would allow 15 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 2: and I think it's an excellent piece of legislation, allow 16 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: law enforcement to seize vehicles involved the illegal street takeovers. 17 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 2: Then we're going to talk about a new flu mutation 18 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: that may be arriving here soon. I'm going to talk 19 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: with Daniel, a doctor, Daniel Kuritzkis. He's the chief of 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: infectious Diseases that bring them in Women's Hospital. Also Richard Sema, 21 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: who's a neuroscientist, and he's also a Brain Matters columnist 22 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: for the Washington Post why you should embrace new technology 23 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 2: as you age. And then we'll talk with doctor Gary Richter, 24 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 2: a veterinarian pet wellness expert, about the type of Thanksgiving 25 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 2: food that could harm your pets, not only what they 26 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 2: need to know, but what you need to know. And 27 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: let us start with our first guest, State Representative Christopher 28 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: Marky Representative Markey. 29 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 3: Welcome to night Side. 30 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 4: Hi, good evening the story. 31 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 3: How are you you call me Dan? 32 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: I'm not that old representative. Yeah, my goodness. You folks 33 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 2: are really young. I noticed that you were born in 34 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: nineteen sixty seven. You're a young guy here with a 35 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: pretty interesting political background, and I think you have hit 36 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: upon a piece of legislation that I think really is 37 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: going to be very useful. You have had some of 38 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: the street takeovers down in your neck of the woods. 39 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: You're in Bristol County, right, I am. 40 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've had some of these street takeovers, just 41 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: like we have had them in Boston. But I think 42 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: that you could have been listening to night Side. My 43 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 2: feeling is if someone uses an item in the commission 44 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: of a crime, if they rob a bank using a knife, 45 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 2: that knife is taken away from them and it's used 46 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: as potentially evidence. 47 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: In the trial. 48 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 2: And I would also think that your idea here is 49 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: a brilliant idea. Tell us about this piece of legislation 50 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: that you have filed not only behalf of your constituents, 51 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: but behalf of everyone in the Commonwealth. 52 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 4: Sure, I agree with you. Actually, I've been saying this 53 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 4: kind of I'm also a lawyer, so I see it. 54 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 3: Two, we've got two lawyers. Now we're in big trouble. 55 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 4: Go ahead with the issues that go on with unregistered, 56 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 4: uninsured vehicles, the use of requier vehicles on public ways 57 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 4: or even in parking lots of malls in other locations. 58 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 4: And I was actually reaching out to the local police 59 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 4: chiefs and saying, hey, why don't you guys just seize 60 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 4: these things and hold them as evidence during the pendancy 61 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 4: of the case, because one of the elements of the 62 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 4: crime is to prove that it was a motor vehicle 63 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 4: or a recreational vehicle and it was uninsured, that there's 64 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 4: no license plate on it or anything like that, and 65 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 4: you could store it and keep it at least during 66 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 4: that pendency of the case. This bill would even further 67 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 4: amend the law that we have currently. It adds a 68 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 4: couple of elements to the crime other than just simple 69 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 4: negligent operation of a motor vehicle. It requires that it 70 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 4: hinders traffic, and it adds another element that it's with 71 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 4: a group of two or more people. It has a 72 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 4: penalty of two and a half years in the House 73 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 4: of Correction and up to a two thousand dollars fine. 74 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 4: But it does add this other element that is actually available. 75 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 4: You can believe it for snowmobiles in Massachusetts on the 76 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 4: section twenty six of Chapter ninety you can actually the 77 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 4: conrolth could seize snowmobiles that I think it's typically out 78 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 4: in western mass when they're driving recklessly and doing that. 79 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 4: So there's ways to seize vehicles already. This just adds 80 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 4: that as an opportunity. Again, the rights of the individual's 81 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 4: charge would be protected. They still have a right to 82 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 4: a hearing, right to present evidence, right to have a lawyer. 83 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 4: All of those things would still be available to an 84 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 4: individual charged and looking for seizing the vehicle after a conviction, 85 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 4: So there are protections for them. 86 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can I assume you can hold the 87 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: vehicle up to the trial or until they plead guilty hopefully, 88 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: and if they are convicted, you should be able. 89 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 3: To keep the vehicle. 90 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: If you're using an automobile and transporting drugs, those cars 91 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: are seized. 92 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,119 Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, they are seized on the Chapter 93 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 4: ninety four seeds. In addition to that are also moneies 94 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 4: that are seized in drug trafficking and drug dealing, and 95 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 4: that again the Commonwealth or the DA's office would have 96 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 4: to file emotion to say that it's their intent to 97 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 4: seize the money and forfeit the money. The same could 98 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 4: happen here in these situations where the cormotes would file 99 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 4: motion with intent to forfeit, and then after a conviction 100 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 4: they could go before the court and seek that as 101 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 4: a remedy as well as any type of punishment. 102 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: So why do you think this has been going on 103 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 2: for a while, Representative? Why do you think someone else 104 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: has to come up with this? I think this is 105 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: a great idea. I know that you have a background 106 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: as an assistant district attorney, and so obviously I assume 107 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 2: that you know how the due process works and how 108 00:05:58,320 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 2: our system. 109 00:05:58,960 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: Of justice works. 110 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: It would just seem to me that you know someone 111 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: else you know would have gotten to this before you. 112 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 2: I say congratulations that you filed it, and I would 113 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: hope that you'd keep us in contact, and when this 114 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 2: gets close to a vote, I would be more than 115 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,679 Speaker 2: happy to try to help you push this across the line. 116 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 2: It just seems to us who are not up on 117 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: Beacon Hill every day that sometimes good pieces of legislation 118 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: like this, which make all the sense in the world, 119 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: just die of the vine. How can we stop that 120 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: from happening to this piece of. 121 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 4: Legislation, Well, it doesn't know. It actually does another thing. 122 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 4: It's also creates a crime of another part of disorderly 123 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 4: conduct or disturbing the peace while masked. So a lot 124 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 4: of these individuals who may not even be operating the 125 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 4: motor vehicles at these street takeovers, they're hanging out on 126 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 4: the corner, they're egging on their buddy to make sure 127 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 4: that they're driving recklessly and all that stuff, and they're 128 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 4: hiding your identity to masking themselves currently just to disturbing 129 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 4: the peace. First offense is only one hundred and fifty 130 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 4: dollars fine, but I think there's more culpability with these 131 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 4: individuals that they're trying to hide their identity, making it 132 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 4: more difficult for the police to be able to do that, 133 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 4: so I I or to identify them. So it's in addition, 134 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 4: it proposes a one year house potential one year house 135 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 4: a correction sentence, as well as a five dollar fine. Yeah, 136 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 4: I've spoken with. 137 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: I think you're right of the money there. 138 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: And what I was going to say I just wanted 139 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: to add real quickly before I forgotten, and that is 140 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: that these are meetups, so these people know where it's 141 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: going to happen and when it's going to happen. It's 142 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: like they're not some little old lady walking down the 143 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: street at two o'clock on the afternoon that sees an 144 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: automobile accident. She's got nothing to do with that accident. 145 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: But if you're there, and you have made your way 146 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: there at two o'clock in the morning because you were notified, 147 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: you're part of this performance, aren't as they seem to 148 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: describe it. 149 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 4: Yes, Well, one of the things I was able to 150 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 4: do is speak with some of the truth fers who 151 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 4: are involved in the task force. Trooper Mike Clements, who's 152 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 4: been fantastic resource for me, and he's explained to me 153 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 4: how it's happened, and there's attempts to try to obtain 154 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 4: the information before it happens. They use social media and 155 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 4: private con conversations and they're able to get a whole 156 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 4: group of people together. And there was the one, the 157 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 4: big one in the South End of Boston was really 158 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 4: the impetus for me to think about doing this. And 159 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 4: when I talked to Mike, he was explaining that, you know, 160 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 4: they have resources available in the State Police to be 161 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 4: able to obtain the identities individuals through tracking, and they 162 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 4: would like to be able to do it through real 163 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 4: time because what happened in the South End, it moved 164 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 4: to Randolph and then it moved to Middleborough and then 165 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 4: you know they were in a high speed chase with 166 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 4: one of the individuals in Somerset. So when when they 167 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 4: were able to identify these people being involved because of 168 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 4: the technology that's available, but we still need to find 169 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 4: and that's one of the next steps I think I'd 170 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 4: love to be able to do is improve the wiretap 171 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 4: statute that we have in Massachusetts. It's much needed. The 172 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 4: SGC has said we needed to improve it for a 173 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 4: long time. I think that could also help im prevent 174 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 4: these types of things in the use of social media 175 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 4: in a real time basis. 176 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, for a lot of these kids, it's the highlight 177 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 2: of the weekend. You know, most of us, the highlight 178 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 2: of the weekend is watching the Patriots or going out 179 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: to dinner with our family. But these kids get involved 180 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: in these these these street riots whatever you want to 181 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: call them, street takeovers, and then they lead police on 182 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: a high speed chase, which is not only puts them 183 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: in danger, but puts the public in danger and puts 184 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: our state police offices in danger. So if whatever we 185 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 2: can do to help you on this, we could do 186 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: an hour on this some night, representative and have you 187 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: take phone calls from listeners around the state as well, 188 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: if that would help ring the alarm. 189 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm happy to happy to do that. I would. 190 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 4: I would love the opportunity. 191 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: To do that. 192 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 4: I would. There these are kids from a neighborhood. These 193 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 4: are kids who are coming in from as far as 194 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 4: away as New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and they're coming 195 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 4: from all over to participate in these things because they 196 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 4: have access through their phones and can move quickly, and 197 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 4: the police just don't have the ability to keep up 198 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 4: with it with the resources they have. 199 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 2: Sounds great, Representative, keep us posted, and I'm going to 200 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: tell my producers to try to sess something up with 201 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: you in the next couple of weeks after Thanksgiving, so 202 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: we can visit this during an hour segment and get 203 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 2: people have an opportunity. I think you'll be very pleased 204 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: with the amount of support you'll have on the state 205 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: Representative Christopher Markey of the South Coast Region. 206 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 3: What's your hometown down there, Representative? 207 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 4: I probably say I'm from New Bedford, but I currently 208 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 4: live in Dartmouth, which I'm just as proud of. But 209 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 4: I'm very properly from New Bedford and Dartmouth, and. 210 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 3: You represent some of the other communities. I assuming that. 211 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 4: Next I represent all of Dartmouth and a little piece 212 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 4: of the north end of New Bedford, which is great. 213 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 2: Excellent, excellent. Well, thanks very much for joining us tonight, 214 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 2: and we'll we'll talk to you soon. We'll set this up, 215 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: I promise. 216 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 4: Okay, you got it. Take care, Happy Thanksgiving. 217 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 3: Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours as well. 218 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 2: When we get back, we're going to talk about something 219 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: that might not make your Thanksgiving a happy Thanksgiving. A 220 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: new flu mutation which is coming around, and you know 221 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: this is a time of year. Going to talk with 222 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: doctor Daniel Kriskas he's the chief of infectious diseases at 223 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: Brigham and Women's Hospital. Back on Nightside with doctor Cariskus, 224 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 2: and we have a couple of more guests and then 225 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: we'll get to phone calls and issues. 226 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 3: Of the night. 227 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: We've got a good program plan for you tonight, as 228 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,479 Speaker 2: we always do, coming back on Nightside. 229 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's 230 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: news radio. 231 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 2: Well, we are approaching the winter months and is now 232 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: past the midpoint of November with us. Were delighted to 233 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: have doctor Daniel Koriskus, sees the chief of infectious diseases 234 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: at Brigham and Women's Hospital, and he is going to 235 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: tell us about a new flu mutation. Mutation not what 236 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: any of any of us want to hear, but I 237 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: think doctor Kriscus, this is something all of us need 238 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: to hear. Good evening, and thanks for being with us. 239 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 5: It's a pleasure to be with you again. 240 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 2: So what's the what's the I want to say, what's 241 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 2: the good word? But I don't think there's a lot 242 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: of good words with this we're all sitting down. 243 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: What are we talking about here. 244 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 5: Doctor, Well, the news is that in England, which typically 245 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 5: has a flu season that really predicts what we're likely 246 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 5: to see, they've begun to see a big upswing in 247 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 5: cases of influenza. They actually started occurring in early October, 248 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 5: two months earlier than they saw last year. And what 249 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 5: was different is that the flu strain that was circulating 250 00:12:54,320 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 5: had several different changes in the outer protein that's responsible 251 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 5: for attaching the cells and against which the vaccine is 252 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 5: directed then we've seen in previous strains. So the concern 253 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 5: is that this strain could evade the body's immune response 254 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 5: that is generated by this year's flu vaccine. We can't 255 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 5: tell for sure yet. We have not yet seen this 256 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 5: strain here in New England or in the United States, 257 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 5: but they're just beginning to look for it. 258 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 259 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 2: Well, all of us when we think about a new 260 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: flu mutation, and I know what you mean by the mutation. 261 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 2: You described it very well as I would expect by 262 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: the way you know this stuff inside and out. The 263 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: first question that is going to be in my mind, 264 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: and I'm sure just in the mind of most of 265 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: our listeners, is we look at another thing like COVID. 266 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 2: Is this twenty twenty all over again. 267 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 5: I don't think there's a reason for us to be 268 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,599 Speaker 5: concerned that this is twenty twenty all over again for 269 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 5: several reasons. Number one, flu is not a new thing 270 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 5: for us. You know, we every year we have a 271 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 5: flu season. Everybody on the planet essentially has been exposed 272 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 5: to flu and has some level of an immunity to influenza. 273 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 5: So this is not a new virus. It's just a 274 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 5: slight variant from what's circulated before, So it's not anything 275 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 5: like what we experienced with the COVID pandemic. 276 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: Now, of course, England is at the same level in 277 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 2: the northern hemisphere as we are, and normally, I'm late 278 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: to believe that in our summer, when it's wintertime in 279 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: the southern hemisphere, that's when a lot of what we're 280 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: going to get percolates, and that's I think, in some 281 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 2: part what they try to base the flu, the flu 282 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: shots that they develop, and then obviously it becomes winter 283 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: up here summer down there, and we deal with the flu. 284 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 2: But now it sounds to me like this flu is 285 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 2: not a coming up from the south as it normally does. 286 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: This is one that's coming in effect east to west, 287 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: coming from England. Is that an atypical direction from which 288 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: we find our flu arriving. 289 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question, and you make a really 290 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 5: good point. So we do typically face our selection of 291 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 5: which components should go into the flu vaccine on what's 292 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 5: circulated in the Southern Hemisphere during their flu season six 293 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 5: months ahead of ours. The basic type of influenza that 294 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 5: circulating is very similar. It's just apparently being transmitted within Europe. 295 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 5: We know it was isolated in England, so we don't 296 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 5: know where it came from exactly. But in England they 297 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 5: noticed that what seems to be circulating is a slightly 298 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 5: different variant from what people had predicted. So it's possible 299 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 5: that these mutations emerged during transmission cycles as the fire 300 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 5: has made its way up to the northern Hemisphere, or 301 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 5: as it circulated in England or in other parts of Europe. 302 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 5: But we still are projecting that what was seen in 303 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 5: Australia and other parts of the Southern Hemisphere during their winter, 304 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 5: which was a moderately severe season, is likely to be well, 305 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 5: we're going to see so we should probably brace for 306 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 5: a fair number of flu cases this winter. 307 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: When when you talk about a moderately severe season, are 308 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: you able to quantify that and say, hey, look, amongst adults, 309 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 2: moderately severe flu season means that probably anywhere from twenty 310 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: five to thirty percent. Is that moderately severe or does 311 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 2: moderately severe mean sixty to sixty five percent of people 312 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: will at some point be dealing directly with whatever the 313 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 2: variant is this year. 314 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 5: Oh, I think it's going to be much less than 315 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 5: sixty percent. I would be surprised if it's even thirty percent. 316 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 5: You know, when circulates, we're not seeing those kinds of numbers, 317 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 5: and we're just beginning to see the uptick ins of 318 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 5: cases now as we're getting into the end of November. 319 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 5: I think there are a couple of things for people 320 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 5: to keep in mind. Number One, what we're talking about 321 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 5: most likely are numbers of cases, not necessarily a much 322 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 5: more severe blue. That is true that the type of 323 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 5: flu that's circulating is what we call H three and 324 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,479 Speaker 5: two that one tends to cause more severe disease than 325 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 5: the other H one type of flu typically does. But 326 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 5: that's all within the range of what we see in 327 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 5: normal flu season. So there's no reason for people to panic. 328 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 5: The second point is that there's still time for people 329 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 5: to get vaccinated. And even if this K variant, which 330 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 5: is the name they've given the one they've found in England, 331 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 5: even if it's somewhat less well protected by the current texting, 332 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 5: there will still be protection and people should still go 333 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 5: and get the vaccine if they haven't already. And then 334 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 5: you know the typical things we do to protect ourselves, 335 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 5: washing hands when you come in from being out, and 336 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 5: about staying away from people that are coughing and sneezing 337 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 5: in a crowded space, considering wearing a mask. All of 338 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 5: those are still going to be protected. And then there 339 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 5: is treatment, and treatment should still be effective even against 340 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 5: this variants. So if you do come out of the flu, 341 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 5: it would be important to get in touch with your 342 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,239 Speaker 5: health care provider and seek treatment for flu, because that 343 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 5: can be very effective real quickly. 344 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: I know that COVID is still around. 345 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 2: I know that they're still tracking a few hundred cases 346 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 2: a week and there's. 347 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 3: Two or three deaths a week. Is that. 348 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: Proof that COVID is dying out? Or is it proof 349 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 2: that we still have to be concerned and worried about 350 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 2: a resurgence? Of COVID, and that may be a complicated question, 351 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 2: but I'd like to see if I could get a 352 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: quick answer from you. 353 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 3: On that, because I think yeah, hard part still in 354 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 3: the back of their mind. Go ahead. 355 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think we can be confident that COVID 356 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 5: has has died out. COVID could still reappear later in 357 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 5: the year after the flu season, and we do typically 358 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 5: see a little bit of a pump of COVID in 359 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 5: the summer months as well. It's not just confined to 360 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 5: the to the winter months, so people should still be 361 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 5: on the lookout for COVID. 362 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 2: Doctor Kriskus, I really appreciate your time, one of my 363 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 2: favorite guests. 364 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 3: Thank you very much. 365 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 2: You make it clear so that even I can understand it, 366 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 2: Doctor Daniel Kuriskus. He's the chief of infectious diseases at 367 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 2: Brigham and Women's Hospital. Thank you so much for your time, 368 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 2: particularly at this hour of the night, sir. And we'll 369 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: talk soon, and hopefully there'll be good news. Maybe a 370 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 2: month from now we'll be saying that the flood didn't 371 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 2: turn out to be nearly as bad as we were concerned. 372 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 5: Well, let's hope. So you're very welcome. Always a pleasure 373 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 5: to talk to you. 374 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Will we get back. 375 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 2: We're going to talk have a couple of conversations, well, 376 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 2: a couple more one about embracing new technology. 377 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 3: Is you age? 378 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 2: Going to talk with Richard Simma or Seema? He is 379 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: the Brain's Brain Matters columnist with the Washington Post, and 380 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 2: then we'll talk about Thanksgiving food you should not make 381 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 2: available to your pets. Back on Nightside right after the 382 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: news at the bottom of the hour. 383 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: It's Nightside, Boston's news radio. 384 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. We are now going to speak 385 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,479 Speaker 2: with Richard Seema. He's a neuroscientist and also the Brain 386 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 2: Matters columnist for the Washington Post. Richard Sema, Welcome to Nightside. 387 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 2: How are you tonight, sir? 388 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 5: Yeah? 389 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 6: Dune? Well Dan, how are you? 390 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 3: Couldn't be better? Couldn't be better? 391 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 2: So the column that we're we we've looked at and 392 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 2: which would like you to talk about is why people 393 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: shouldn't embrace new technology even as you age. Now, I'm 394 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: assuming that the people who you're talking to here or 395 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: writing for in this column are the people who I 396 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 2: describe as being on the wrong side of fifty am. 397 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 6: I correct, there's no wrong side of fifty. It's just 398 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 6: like a different place than life. 399 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 7: You know. 400 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 3: Well's way to look at it. 401 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 2: But giving a choice between being on one side of 402 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: the other, I'm on the wrong side of fifty. 403 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 6: Well, I hope you know ith comes wisdom. You know, 404 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 6: you have more memories. 405 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 3: To look back on. 406 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 6: There's not bad. There's also good things about being older 407 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 6: than fifty. But yes, you're right. This column was about how, 408 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 6: you know, using digital technologies, you know, stuff that's every 409 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 6: day for many people, like smartphones, computers, Internet. It's actually 410 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 6: not bad for the brain. It's actually research finds it's 411 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 6: actually quite mentally stimulating and reduces dementia risks, improves cognitive 412 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 6: health for you know, older people. 413 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 3: Well, I'm in that category. 414 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 2: I've been working here at WBZ, either on the television 415 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 2: side of the radio side, for very close to a 416 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 2: half century. 417 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 3: So you can do the math. 418 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: I do a radio show five nights a week, four 419 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 2: hours a night, and I spend a lot of time 420 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 2: with technology and also a lot of time with very 421 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: smart people like yourself on a variety of topics. So 422 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 2: I do understand and I feel that the more active 423 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 2: you are as you get older, intellectually, the better you 424 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: better off you are. I try to do a crossword 425 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: puzzle at least try to do the crossword puzzle every 426 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 2: day out of the globe, just as a way to 427 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 2: kind of shut out the rest of the world, to 428 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 2: stop the phone from ringing and just focus on something 429 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 2: that is mere, that's pleasure and not work. 430 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 3: Is that a cop out? Do you think for somebody of. 431 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 6: My age it's not a cop Yeah, and it's it's 432 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 6: very much related to this you know about technology, right, 433 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 6: is like your crossroad puzzles. Uh, you know, your hobbies 434 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 6: like these are you know, cognitively challenging, and so is 435 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 6: you know, going on internet sometimes like reading new things, 436 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 6: learning and keeping your brain active. Like there's a very 437 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 6: nice wealth of research showing that, you know, keeping your 438 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 6: brain active, you know, keeps it healthy. And the most 439 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 6: recent studies looking at technology shows that this is probably 440 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 6: what you know. Using your smartphone does you not only 441 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 6: have access to the whole breadth and like depth of 442 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 6: human knowledge and culture, but it also allows you to 443 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 6: you know, you have to keep up with it to 444 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 6: to you know, make sure you get all the updates, 445 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 6: like all the troubleshooting like that is annoying, but it's 446 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 6: also like keeping your brain fresh and trying to figure 447 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 6: figure out this new fangled like update that you didn't expect. Sometimes. 448 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 2: Well, I assume that you're on the right side of fifties, 449 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 2: so you might not remember this, but way back in 450 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: the fifties and sixties, those of us who were Baby boomers, 451 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: we used to know everybody's When you were growing up 452 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 2: as a kid, you knew everybody's phone. Remember, now you 453 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: don't know any phone numbers because they're all in your phone. 454 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 2: You may know a couple, don't get me wrong, But 455 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: I just wonder if if baby boomers and we are 456 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 2: the older generation right now, that still, for the most part, 457 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 2: our cohort, our cohort still is pretty intact. People who 458 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 2: were born after nineteen forty six and before I think 459 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 2: it was nineteen sixty five, that twenty year period or so, 460 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 2: we probably will be one of the last generations who 461 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 2: didn't grow. 462 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 3: Up with technology. 463 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 2: And I don't know what if that's a factor in 464 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: your study, but I love get your. 465 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 3: Comment on that. 466 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, so this review was actually looking at your generation, 467 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 6: and in research terms, you're the digital pioneers. You know, 468 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 6: you're the last generation that grew up without this technology. 469 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 6: But you're the first who you know, had a significant 470 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 6: time you know, like suddenly you don't have to send 471 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 6: you know, posted, like you don't have to post the 472 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 6: mail to talk to someone across the world. You could 473 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 6: not have to go to the library to look up 474 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 6: the facts. You could pull out your GPS instead of 475 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 6: you know, pulling out a paper map. So it's like, 476 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 6: this is exactly the people that they were studying. You know, 477 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 6: you had to evolve with the you know, very rapid 478 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 6: growth of technology. Yeah, and I will have to say 479 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 6: that I'm thirty five, and I do remember growing up 480 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 6: and memorizing my friend's like phone numbers, because like, yeah, 481 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 6: I had to be able to be able to call 482 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 6: them before I had, you know, head over to make 483 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 6: sure that they're home to hang out. 484 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 3: But you never had to use a dial telephone. 485 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 6: I did, oh, okay, not not with not the rotary phone. 486 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 3: But that's really a rotary phone to me. 487 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not have Okay, I mean that took 488 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 2: a little exercise that you don't that you don't have today. 489 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 2: So tell us I always want to get a chance 490 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 2: to talk to people who do other things in this this. 491 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 3: Line of work. 492 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 2: I a long time ago wrote one column that appeared 493 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: in the Washington Post a long long time ago on 494 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 2: the retirement of the House Speaker Tip O'Neil. 495 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 3: How how long you have been a column is with 496 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 3: the Washington Post. That's a pretty prestigious position. 497 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm relatively new. I guess in twenty twenty two 498 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 6: is when I joined. I, you know, did research in 499 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 6: neuroscience until twenty nineteen, so I made a curw jump 500 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 6: into writing about science, writing about the brand and instead 501 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 6: of dissecting them. I guess. 502 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 3: So you have a medical background as well. No, no, 503 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 3: I do not. 504 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 6: I have a PhD. I like to call myself a 505 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 6: sake doctor. I guess if you no, no, no, no, 506 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 6: No PhDs doctors too. 507 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 2: I have plenty of friends of mine who are I 508 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: have a juris doctor as a lawyer, so we don't 509 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 2: attach the identification of doctor. But no, I'm very respectful 510 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 2: and I think that to be a columnist at the 511 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 2: Washington Post at the age of thirty five, what what 512 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,479 Speaker 2: what made you or compelled you to switch careers and 513 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 2: head into into journalism. I mean, there are people who 514 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: have been working in journalism for thirty years who would 515 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 2: love to be able to say they're a columnist for 516 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 2: the Washington Post. 517 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: I'm serious. 518 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 2: I'm asking the question honestly because there are people listening 519 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: to my show who will say, gee, maybe I could 520 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 2: get a job, you know, in journalism or whatever. So 521 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 2: how how did it happened for you? I find I 522 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 2: find it intrigued that someone could make that switch. 523 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 524 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 6: No, I mean, there's, as you know, in life and 525 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 6: in this career path, a lot of certaindipity. But I 526 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 6: was always interested in communicating science clearly because you know, 527 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 6: it was because of these sense communicators that made it 528 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 6: wondrous to think about, you know, who we are as people, 529 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 6: like where we belong in the universe. And so I 530 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 6: study the brain. But I also was teaching you know, 531 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 6: science to little kids, or giving talks and stuff like that, 532 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 6: and eventually realize that I loved discussing these ideas, talking 533 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 6: to really smart people and sharing accurate information because you know, 534 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 6: journalism is crucial, right to trying to get as close 535 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 6: to the truth as you can ascertain it, and to 536 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 6: give that information to people so that they can do 537 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 6: with it what they will to make their lives better, 538 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 6: to understand the world better, to understand themselves better. So yeah, 539 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 6: I'm very privileged to be able to do this as 540 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 6: a job, and don't take that for granted. 541 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 3: Well, well you sound great. 542 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 2: I got to ask you one of the questions, were 543 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 2: you actually hired by my old friend Marti Baron? 544 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 6: No I think, uh no, Marty had left by that point. Yeah, yeah, 545 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 6: so no I have not. I've not actually gotten to 546 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 6: meet him. But yeah, good your friend. 547 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 3: Good guy, real good journalist had him on the show 548 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 3: just about a year ago. 549 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 2: He had written a book, uh and on on all 550 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 2: sorts of of his his activity. So if you run 551 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 2: into him town Dan Race at Alle Okay, I really 552 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 2: appreciate it. It was it was a lot of fun 553 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 2: talking with you and talking to you and and I 554 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: didn't mean to get personal on it, but again, you're 555 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 2: in a very you know, very prestigious position and it 556 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 2: gives up it gives people who listen a little idea 557 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 2: about how. 558 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 3: People arrive at those positions. 559 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 2: So thank you for entertaining the questions on the topic 560 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 2: at hand and also your career. Appreciate it very much. 561 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you for this conversation. It's always a pleasure. 562 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 3: Right back at you. We'll have you back. 563 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 2: Thanks Richard, Thank you Washington Post columnists called brain Matters. 564 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 2: We get back on a talk with a veterinarian about 565 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 2: the type of Thanksgiving Day food you should not make 566 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 2: available to your pets. Back on Night's Side, very important 567 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:20,959 Speaker 2: topic coming right up. 568 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with. 569 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 2: Boston's News Radio, joined by doctor Gary Richter, vetnarian and 570 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 2: pet wellness expert, created the dog food brand Ultimate Pet Nutrition. 571 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 3: Uh, welcome doctor Richter. How are you? 572 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 6: Thank you appreciate being here. 573 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 3: All right? We now, all of a sudden, you have 574 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 3: that audio popped right in. That was great. 575 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 2: No relation to a great middle linebacker for the Los 576 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 2: Angeles Rams of the nineteen fifties name less Richter. 577 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 7: Right, No, Also no relation to the the NHL goalie 578 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 7: Mike Richter, you know New. 579 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 2: York Rangers, absolutely great goaltender, great goltender. Well, now that 580 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 2: we had all that clariton out of the way, let's 581 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 2: let's talk about being a veterinarian. Veterinarians are very important, 582 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 2: always have been important in our lives when our families 583 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 2: have had various pets, and we want to hear from you. 584 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 2: There are some Thanksgiving foods that could actually do harm 585 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 2: to pets. And I think we need to let people 586 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 2: know now that Thanksgiving is well, Thanksgiving Eve is a 587 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 2: week away, what not. 588 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 3: You know, little turkey maybe's okay, but no gravy, I 589 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 3: guess right. 590 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. 591 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 7: It's interesting because you know, in principle, a lot of 592 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 7: the food on the Thanksgiving table is actually okay for dogs. However, 593 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 7: there's some real pitfalls that that people can fall into, 594 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 7: so you know, things to really look out for. There 595 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 7: are a small handful of things that are outright toxic 596 00:31:54,680 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 7: to dogs, So things like onions, garlic, grapes, raisins, macadamia nuts, 597 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 7: chocolate for people that for that may be making something 598 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 7: sugar free like a dessert, artificial sweeteners like xylotol or 599 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 7: highly toxic to dogs. 600 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 2: And when you say toxic, you meaning up to and 601 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: including killing the dog. 602 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 7: Oh yes, yeah, Xylotol in particular, you can can absolutely 603 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 7: be life threatening. The other thing is just anything on 604 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 7: the Thanksgiving table that is either highly seasoned or or 605 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 7: just real high and fat. Both of those things can 606 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 7: just cause some real horrible tony upset. 607 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 2: So everybody who has a dog, it's a part of 608 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 2: the family and there's no meal during the course of 609 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 2: the year which is more family centric than Thanksgiving dinner. 610 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 2: So what And it's kind of tough when you put 611 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 2: down there kibble in a little water or whatever it 612 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 2: is what you give them that it is not harmful, 613 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 2: not in great quantities obviously, but I'm assuming a piece 614 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 2: of two of turkey without gravy would be okay. 615 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 7: Everybody wants to include beer pets in the in the holidays, 616 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 7: and I think that that's that's great. So you know, 617 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 7: if you're making Thanksgiving dinner, you can certainly set aside 618 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 7: some baked turkey without skin. You can set aside some 619 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 7: vegetables and you know, you know, steamed or boiled vegetables, 620 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 7: so minus the butter and the salt and the sea 621 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 7: thing and everything, and offer that to your dog. They're 622 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 7: gonna love it. It's super healthy for them, not going 623 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 7: to cause any problems. And that's you know that that's 624 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 7: the easiest way that you know that. The tricky bit, 625 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 7: of course, is you have to convince your drunk uncle. 626 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 3: Of all the everybody has a drunk uncle. 627 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 7: Everybody has a drunk uncle. Yeah, so that's the guy 628 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 7: you got to really keep an eye on. 629 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 2: Those are the guys who try to, you know, pour 630 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 2: half a beer into the to the dog's water bowl. 631 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, man, that's the guy. 632 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: You know this guy. 633 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 2: Yep, he's been at my house too, Absolutely, no question 634 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 2: about it. And yeah, I guess you have to sort 635 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 2: of set it parameters and make people know. Depending upon 636 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 2: how really how I should say, I'm gonna say thoughtless. 637 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 2: I'll use a good word, thoughtless, not ignorant, but thoughtless 638 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 2: that people can be because first of all, they're in 639 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 2: your home and it's. 640 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 3: Your pet, it's not their pets. 641 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 2: Uh, but they somehow want to become best buddies with 642 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 2: this dog that they've just met. Sure, they give they 643 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 2: want to give this anything, you know, peppermint patties. Oh, 644 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 2: absolutely have a cup. No, can't have can't do that. 645 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 2: It's going to cause yeah, cause real problems, you know. 646 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 7: And it's and it's always it's always with the best 647 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 7: of intentions. And you know, I mean, there's there's always 648 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 7: going to be somebody who can't say no to the 649 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 7: sad puppy dog eyes and whatnot. But you know, it's 650 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 7: it's just like I said, there are there are so 651 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 7: many ways that you can include the furry ones in 652 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 7: in the holiday festivities and still keep them safe. 653 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 3: Ye would. I would. I often have done. 654 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 2: We do not we celebrate Thanksgiving but at our son 655 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 2: in law's family of their home, and when we used 656 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 2: to have Thanksgiving at our home, uh and I would 657 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 2: always get a piece of you know, uh meet from 658 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 2: the you know, from the turkey breast, and I would 659 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 2: dice it up a little bit and just sprinkle it 660 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 2: into the into the kivel of our. 661 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 3: Dog at the time was of Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. 662 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 2: And Charlie had a had a great opportunity to sample 663 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 2: the fear, the Thanksgiving fear, and feel as if they 664 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 2: were you know, it was part of the part of 665 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 2: the celebration. 666 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 3: I think that's the safest way to go anything. 667 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 7: I totally agree. Yeah, I think it's great. And you know, 668 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 7: the other thing just to kind of keep an eye 669 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 7: out for is sort of the the post Thanksgiving issue 670 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 7: of make sure they don't get in the trash, because boy, 671 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 7: that garbage can sure smells good, and you don't want 672 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 7: your dog getting in the trash and eating like the 673 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 7: turkey bones and all of that business. So you know, 674 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 7: take the trash out, so that way there's no there's 675 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 7: no temptation. 676 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 2: Tell us about your brand of pet food. It's called 677 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 2: Ultimate Pet Nutrition. 678 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 7: Sure, yeah, so, I mean Ultimate Pet Nutrition really really 679 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 7: came from, uh, you know, my my desire to to 680 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 7: really try and up level the nutrition of pets that are, 681 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 7: you know, beyond the ones that I'm able to see 682 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 7: in my office every day. So our food through Ultimate 683 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 7: Pet Nutrition, it's called nutri Complete, is a freeze dried 684 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 7: raw diet. So it's it's it's perfectly balanced. It has 685 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 7: all of the benefits of a fresh food diet, but 686 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,280 Speaker 7: because it's freeze dried, you have all of the convenience 687 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 7: of say, like a kibble. You don't, you know, it's 688 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 7: it's shelf stable. You just put it in the bowl, 689 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 7: you add a little water, and you're good to go. 690 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 7: So it's super easy to do. But you're really giving 691 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 7: your dog just an amazing nutritious meal that that you 692 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 7: just you can't do with just kibble alone. 693 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 3: No, are you a national brand? 694 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 4: Yeah? 695 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,959 Speaker 7: Absolutely, we're available online. We're available you know, either through 696 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 7: the Ultimate Pet Nutrition website or also on Chewy or 697 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 7: you know, go online. You'll find us. It's not hard 698 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 7: to find, but Ultimate Pet nutrition dot Com. 699 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 2: Okay, well, the reason I mentioned it and I just 700 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 2: wanted to know that we love animals here on Pets 701 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 2: on Night Side, and we love dogs particularly. I end 702 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 2: my show every night by reminding people that all dogs, 703 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 2: all pets, all all cats, all pets, all go. 704 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 7: To heaven and amen to that. 705 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 2: We're associated with the charity of our program is called 706 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 2: the Shadow Fund, and it was founded by a law 707 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 2: school professor at the Massachusetts School of Law many years ago. 708 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 2: And there's there's no no admitted straight of costs or 709 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 2: anything like that, Professor Dian Sullivan, who's a saint in 710 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 2: my mind. 711 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 3: We raise some money. 712 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:11,439 Speaker 2: I donate my speaking fees, make donations, and she has 713 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 2: a group of veterinarians who provide at cost service and 714 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 2: we've done a lot of work. 715 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 3: If you ever get a chance. 716 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 2: For the fun of it, it's simply called Shadow Fund. 717 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 2: It was named after the first dog that receives some help. 718 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 2: The people have to qualify, you know, they have to 719 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 2: be in need of some assistance. But we've helped. Oh 720 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 2: I shouldn't say we. Professor Sullivan and Shadow Funders help 721 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 2: literally hundreds, if not thousands of people here in New England. 722 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: Wow, what a great cause. 723 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,439 Speaker 7: I love that and thank you for doing that. I'll 724 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 7: definitely check that out. 725 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 3: Well. I just wanted to give you just for the 726 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 3: fun of it. 727 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 2: Google shadow Fund, and there's a shadow fund in California 728 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 2: which is totally unrelated, but shadow fund, n e fronew 729 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,959 Speaker 2: England dot org, shadow Fund, and e dot org. 730 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:00,919 Speaker 3: I don't want you to do anything, not. 731 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 2: Asking to do anything, but I want you to be 732 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 2: aware that there are people all over the country who 733 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,240 Speaker 2: do great things, and one of them is Professor Diane Sullivan, 734 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 2: who during the entire fifteen or so years that she's 735 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 2: been running this program, she teaches law. She's also been 736 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 2: dealing with a couple of really tough medical diseases herself, 737 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 2: but she just keeps. 738 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 3: Ongoing and that's so great. 739 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 2: She's an incredible human being, and I hope that you 740 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 2: could just Google it and get a little sense of 741 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 2: her and the number of people that she has helped out. 742 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 3: So I will check that out. 743 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 7: I appreciate you letting me know. 744 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 2: Veterinarians and special people too. It's tougher to get into 745 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 2: veterinary school that it is to get into medical school 746 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 2: in America these days, because there are fewer veterinary schools 747 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 2: veterinary schools than there are medical schools. 748 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 3: And I'm sure you read. 749 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 7: This is a statement. Yeah, I mean it's it's a 750 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 7: numbers game, and yeah it's it's a tough go for sure. 751 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 3: You bet you well. 752 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, doctor Gary Richter of Ultimate Pet Nutrition. 753 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 2: I assume that's a website people can and find and 754 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 2: check out pretty easily too. 755 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 7: It absolutely is. I appreciate your time and shout out 756 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 7: to my daughter Abby in Roxbury. 757 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 3: Oh really, is she going to school up here or 758 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 3: working up here? What you do? 759 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 5: He is? 760 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, she's a senior at Northeastern at great school. 761 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 3: Great, great, great school. 762 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 2: My wife has a graduate degree from Northeastern University. Thank 763 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 2: you so much, doctor Richter. Appreciate it very much. Enjoyed 764 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,240 Speaker 2: the conversation. Happy Thanksgiving. I call him by Naither. 765 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 3: Thanks my friend, Thank you very much. 766 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 2: A buy All right, we got the ten o'clock We 767 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 2: have the nine o'clock hour coming up. We have a 768 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,239 Speaker 2: very special guest for you in the nine o'clock hour. 769 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 2: Her name is Gazelle Byrd. She's been the subject of 770 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 2: some controversy recently. She was an appointee by Governor Healey 771 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 2: to the Massachusetts Commission on the Status of Women. She 772 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 2: is a trans woman, and I wanted to give her 773 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,360 Speaker 2: an opportunity to speak for herself and talk to you, 774 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 2: and maybe we'll open up some lines of communication. Coming 775 00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 2: back from nightside,