1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you easy 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: Boston's NICH Radio. It almost felt like spring out there 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: today with the emphasis on almost of that is for sure. 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: Good evening. Everyone. Welcome on into a Wednesday night edition 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: of Nightside. Rob Brooks is back in the control room 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: handling the production of the program on his own tonight 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: without any help from an assistant. Luke Spears did a 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: good job last night, but Rob is back handling Nightside 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: for the next four hours. My name's Dan Ray and 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: the host of Nightside heard here every weeknight, Monday through 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: Friday from eight until midnight, whether I'm here or someone 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: is sitting in for me. I'll be offered a couple 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: of nights for the balance of this week, and you'll 14 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: have Bradley Jay in Tomorrow night and Friday night, I 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: think also Monday night, so treat him well. I'll see 16 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: you back on Tuesday night. We have a lot to 17 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: get over to get over with you tonight, to get 18 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: around on. We have a four really interesting guests in 19 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: our first hour, and then we're going to talk with 20 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: the chief legal officer of a company called Flock that 21 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: is a company that provides cameras in public spaces, and 22 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: of course there's always a controversy about privacy versus security. 23 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: We'll talk with my guest, Dan Haley tonight at nine 24 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: and then at ten. I want to get the latest 25 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: on the State Auditor's battle to get that ballot measure, 26 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: which was approved by seventy two percent of Massachusetts voters 27 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. We probably couldn't agree seventy two 28 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: percent on rooting for the New England Patriots. It's an 29 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: overwhelming number, and the legislative leaders up there, Speaker Mariano 30 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: and the Senate President Karen Spilker, have basically stymied the 31 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: State Auditor at every turn, and she is now taking 32 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: another tact and taking this right to the State Supreme Court. 33 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: We want to talk about that and also make you 34 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: aware of what's going on. But first we have four, 35 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: as I said, really great guests, and the first guest 36 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: is amazing. She's a junior at Harvard. Her name is 37 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: Olivia Zang, and she's the founder of a group that 38 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: she founded at the age of fourteen, which is going 39 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: to be at least five or six years ago. Olivia 40 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: founder of group called Cancer Kids First. She's won awards 41 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: for this, This youth led nonprofit has helped ten thousand 42 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: plus patients across twenty two countries. She's now written a 43 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: book called You Meaning, The Young Person's Guide to Starting 44 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: a Nonprofit. You're a junior at Harvard. Where have you 45 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: had time to do all of this? Olivia? Welcome to 46 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: Night's Side. 47 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I feel like 48 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: it's definitely taking a lot of using my Google calendar 49 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: for sure, and scheduling ahead, like weeks in advance. But 50 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: it's something that I really care about, so I like 51 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: to time block my week to make sure that I 52 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: make time for obviously my classes, but also my nonprofit 53 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: work and being able to write this book. 54 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: Well, Harvard students often are extraordinary, but this seems to 55 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: be an extraordinary effort. At the age of fourteen, I 56 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: guess you lost your grandfather and a teacher to cancer, 57 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: And was that the motivation that prompted you to start 58 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: this program? 59 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? So, you know, my parents, they immigrated to the 60 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: US at the age of thirty, and I grew up 61 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: on food stamps and they were just always working late. 62 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: So I actually went back to China and lived with 63 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 2: my grandfather for a few months while my parents were 64 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: trying to make ends me and then my elementary school teacher. 65 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: She would stay after school with me until seven pm 66 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 2: every single day, and even in middle school I would 67 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: go back and visit her. But they were kind of 68 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: the two people who, you know, formed a lot of 69 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: who I was. And I lost them to cancer when 70 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: I was in late elementary school and they passed within 71 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: like a couple months of each other. So I had never, 72 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: you know, experienced loss at that age, and to have 73 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: it be two of the most important people in my life. 74 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: I struggled a lot with grief and depression, and I 75 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: think what really just got me out of bed and 76 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 2: got me motivated each day was kind of finding purpose 77 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: in honoring their legacies and trying to do something to 78 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 2: help other people going through the same kind of battle 79 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: with their families. 80 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: So now you have written a book, and the book 81 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: is an interesting title. The book is called You Yowe 82 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: You capital letters then lowercase THH, so it's you, but 83 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: it's also can be read as Youth the Young Person's 84 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: Guide to Starting a nonprofit. What prompted you this? Someone 85 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: must have come to you and said you should actually 86 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: write a book. I'm just guessing but did someone come 87 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: to you and say, hey, you should Olivia write a 88 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: book and show how the young people what they can do. 89 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you know, when I started my nonprofit, 90 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 2: this was before chat qbing existed, so I had to 91 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: research like countless, countless articles. I read like eighty seven 92 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: articles in one night once, and none of them were 93 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 2: catered obviously to how as a young person you can 94 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: get adults to trust you, how you can mobilize from 95 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 2: high school cafeterias. And so I myself like experienced a 96 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 2: lack of resources. And then when cancer Kids first took 97 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 2: off during the pandemic, we got thousands of emails dms 98 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: of other young people who really wanted to get involved 99 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 2: in social impact and didn't really know how. And that's 100 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: kind of why I started posting like TikTok videos which 101 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: then blew up, and then that translated into even more 102 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: young people asking for more in depth resources, and so 103 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,239 Speaker 2: that's kind of how I saw a gap, and also 104 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 2: you know, a market that clearly wanted it. And I 105 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: think just given everything that's going on in this day 106 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: and age right now, it's even more important that younger 107 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 2: generations believe in themselves that they have the capability is 108 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 2: to change the world and take action. And so that's 109 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,119 Speaker 2: why the title is kind of a plan on words. 110 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 2: And I really hope that people who walk by they 111 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: see the big you and they are propelled to act. 112 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: Well. It's interesting because young people are I think, getting 113 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: a bad rap, But as with any bad rap, there's 114 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: always a little truth in it that young people today 115 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: growing up, I suspect not you, but a lot of 116 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: people who are in their early twenties on down. You know, 117 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: to kids in elementary school spending a lot of time 118 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: on the computers watching reels, TikTok, Instagram, all of which 119 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: can be fun to watch. But like anything, you also 120 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: have to think outside of your own space. And you 121 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: clearly have thought outside of your own space, and you've 122 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: thought about travails that other kids your age even younger, 123 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: are experiencing, and you put together this organization that tries 124 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: to help them. First question, how can my audience follow 125 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:17,679 Speaker 1: your organization? What is the website for your group? Cancer kids? First? 126 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: Let's make it, let's make it simple, and let's do 127 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: it one at a time. 128 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so Cancer gets First dot org is our. 129 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: Website, Okay, and so therefore I'm smart enough as a 130 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: lawyer to know that that's a five oh one C 131 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: three if it's using the the dot org. So people, 132 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: if they want to find out more about the program, 133 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: they can reach out there. Is this a location where 134 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: families who have a child, or a niece or a nephew, 135 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: or maybe a neighbor that knows a child that's dealing 136 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: with cancer, where they can get some support at this 137 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: website Cancer Kids First. Okay, great, Now, what if someone's 138 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: listening tonight and they say that sounds like a really 139 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: interesting book, Youth The Young People's Guide to Starting a Nonprofit. 140 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that book is already out. 141 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it actually just launched February third. 142 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: February third, okay, so it's timely available on Amazon in 143 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: bookstores I assume, yes. Okay, So now the real question 144 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: here in the interview Olivia, is now that you've done 145 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: all of these things with if you're a junior, I 146 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: assume you're probably nineteen or twenty. 147 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, I'm a twenty year old right now. 148 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: Twenty year old? Okay, right, So now that you've done 149 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: all of this, what are you going to do with 150 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: the rest of your life? You know, basically, bring the 151 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: world to peace, find cures for diseases, take care of 152 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: all the what do you think is going to be 153 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: on your agenda five, ten, fifteen, twenty years from now, 154 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: Because I'm really curious what you're thinking about. 155 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, as a very type A person, 156 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: I definitely have you. 157 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: Wait, I'm stunned you're a type A person. I'm joking 158 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: with your go ahead, go ahead. 159 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: So ideally I would be able to go to Stanford 160 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: for my MBA because I really like my goal is 161 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 2: to found a healthcare company that utilizes technology enabled healthcare 162 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: devices and AI to kind of increase that healthcare equity 163 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: that's presently available for cancer pations, especially, So doing like 164 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: a startup kind of in that format would be amazing 165 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: and a lifelong dream, as well as, hopefully on the side, 166 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: continuing to serve on the board the different nonprofits that 167 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: I care about and doing speaking just because I think 168 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: that as a you know, young one of color, it 169 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: was really hard to find role models who were in 170 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: my space who were authentic and also gave me, I guess, 171 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: the tools and the mindset to believe in myself, and 172 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: so I really want to be that person for other 173 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: young people, whether that's through like more books or I 174 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: guess like speaking at different conferences and schools to inspire 175 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,239 Speaker 2: other young people who are kind of facing similar situations 176 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 2: as I have. But I'm very, I guess interested in 177 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 2: kind of pursuing that intersection between business and social impact 178 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 2: because I think there's a lot of potential to go 179 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: the corporate route and still make a difference in the 180 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 2: world and be able to make like a bigger change 181 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: because you're kind of in more of a position of 182 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: power in a sense. 183 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: Well, Olivia, you are an amazing role model. I suspect 184 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: that you're going to become President of the United States 185 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 1: probably by time you're thirty five, and then we move 186 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: on to some bigger and better for projects. I congratulate you. 187 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: Both of my children are Harvard alumni, and in all 188 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: the folks from Harvard, the young people who I meet, 189 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of drive, but no one epitomizes more 190 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: drive than you do and greater success at a young age. 191 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: So congratulations, Thanks so much for being with us tonight, 192 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: And I hope a lot of people buy the book Youth, 193 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: The Young Person's Guide to Starting a Nonprofit, and that 194 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: some people check out Cancer Kids First dot Org. Thanks Olivia, 195 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: I really enjoy talking with you. You are an inspiration. 196 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Have a great night, all. 197 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: Right, you too well. Come back and to talk about 198 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: kind of the other side of the coin with a 199 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: woman author, Christine. I'm not sure if it's broun Quene 200 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: or Keen. We'll find out. It's spelt like Harvey Kean, 201 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: the baseball player's name k u e h N. I 202 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: may have had her on before on this I'm not sure. 203 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: There's a World War Two story of Nazi espionage portrayal 204 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: and the secret history behind Pearl Harbor. This is the 205 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: author's real life story finding out about her family's horrendous 206 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: family secret kept hidden for half a century. We'll be 207 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: back on night Side right after this. 208 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 3: It's Night Side with Dan Ray Boston's news Radio. 209 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: My next guest is Christine Kewen. She's an author and 210 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: a former journalist, and she's written a book Family of Spies, 211 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: World War Two story of Nazi espionage, portrayal and the 212 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: secret behind Pearl Harbor. Sadly, this is the author's real 213 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: life story finding on her family so horrend his family 214 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: secret kept hidden for half a century. Wow, I haven't 215 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: read this book. But I certainly intend to Christine, you do. 216 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 4: It's a great story. 217 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure. Well, just reading some of the reviews on it, 218 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: this is amazing. I had no idea. Now, was was 219 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: your grandfather a German citizen or was did he have 220 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: dual citizenship so that he was able to spend time 221 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: at Pearl Harbor as a spy for Germany. 222 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 4: No, he did not have dual citizenship. He was he 223 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 4: was German. He actually moved whole family, my father, my 224 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 4: father's younger brother, his half sister, and wife. They all 225 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 4: were German citizens. But in nineteen thirty five Auto was 226 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 4: tapped on the shoulder by Joseph Gerbels to go to 227 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 4: Hawaii and spy for the Japanese. Part of the reason 228 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 4: was because of my aunt Ruth. My aunt Ruth was 229 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 4: only nineteen when she had an affair with Gerbels, but 230 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 4: she had a secret. She was half Jewish, and so 231 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 4: with the Nuremberg Whiles going into effect, Gebels had to 232 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 4: kind of get rid of his misdeed. So he had 233 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 4: Auto sent to Hawaii to act as a sleeper spy 234 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 4: for the Japanese, and he took the whole family with him. 235 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: So your grandfather is over there feeding information to Japan 236 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: and to the Japanese intelligence services about the comings and 237 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: goings of US naval vessels in advance of Pearl Harbor. 238 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 4: Correct over the six years, he was paid the equivalent 239 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 4: of about one point five million dollars today for the 240 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 4: information that he was gathering over the six years and 241 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 4: providing to the Japanese in the you know, six weeks 242 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 4: prior to the bombing, he actually was blighting, you know, 243 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 4: ship counts, what ships were in the harbor when they 244 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 4: had left. From December first to December sixth. It was 245 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 4: giving them that information so that they would have that 246 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 4: when they were preparing for the attack. 247 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: Now, was he, you know, an ultra loyal German or 248 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: did he buy into what you know, Hitler and Goebels 249 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: and Goloring was selling, you know, out of out of 250 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: Munich beer halls to the German people. 251 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 4: You know, that's interesting. He joined the party in nineteen thirty. 252 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 4: He was after or the crash of the stock market, 253 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 4: and Germany was in disarray, right, people are living on 254 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 4: the streets unemployment, and so him and my dad's half 255 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 4: brother Leopold went to hear Hitler speak in nineteen thirty 256 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 4: in Kiel, and he was mesmerized. You know, Hitler was 257 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 4: very charismatic, and he was talking about bringing back Germany 258 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 4: to its power and releasing us from the Treaty of Versailles. 259 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 4: And Otto really bought into that. And so, you know, 260 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 4: I think about kind of why he did what he 261 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 4: did when he went to hot to Hawaii. He definitely 262 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 4: wanted a place in the German you know, what was 263 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 4: going to become the German Order when they won the war. Right, 264 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 4: But it also it was a it was a big paycheck. 265 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 4: I mean, the family was paid a lot to do 266 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 4: the spine and being involved in what they did. 267 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and most historians, I think believed that the Treaty 268 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: of Versailles, for whatever the purposes were, it was a 269 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: tough treaty for Germany to recover from and that did 270 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: lay the foundation, many historians believe for the rise of 271 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:22,239 Speaker 1: the Hitler like leader. So you finally, finally, your grandfather 272 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: came came back to the to the continental US or 273 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: did he live in Hawaii? I mean he was He 274 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: was eventually captured, I guess, and tried and sentenced to Leavenworth. 275 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 4: Correct, Right, he was sentenced to death. But because he 276 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 4: had spied during a time of peace. They muted it 277 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 4: to fifty years in Levenworth, so he was in prison 278 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 4: in Levenworth. My grandmother, my aunt Ruth, and my dad 279 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 4: younger brother Hans were all sent back to Germany on 280 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 4: the last prisoner exchange of the war. My dad refused 281 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 4: to go. He was fifteen at the time and he 282 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 4: decided to walk away from his family, so he didn't 283 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 4: go back to Germany and he stayed in the United States. 284 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: Your dad, of course, was the son. Your dad was 285 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: the son of the spy. Your grandfather ata yes, yes, 286 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: and your dad then brought you up. You were kept 287 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: this was kept as a dark secret within the family, 288 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: no conversations, and I guess in nineteen ninety four, all 289 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: of a sudden, somehow you got a letter that said 290 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: that they were thinking about making a movie about this 291 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: and including you know, all this information about your family. 292 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: Did that movie ever get made? 293 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 4: That movie did not get made. I was able to 294 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 4: talk to the screenwriter he's ninety two now, after the 295 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 4: book came out, but they never made the movie. And 296 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 4: it was the first time I had ever learned of 297 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 4: the secret. And that was when I had to confront 298 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 4: my dad about it, and he just he didn't want 299 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 4: to tell me. He just kept denying it. And finally, 300 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 4: you know when what he called me back and he 301 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 4: was sobbing, and he said, I just wanted to shield 302 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 4: you from all that, and he told me that the 303 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 4: story of his family, and that kind of kicked off 304 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 4: the research journey that took over thirty years. 305 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: So the book is Family of Spies, a World War 306 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: Two story of Nazi espionage, portrayal and the secret history 307 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: behind Pearl Harbor. This is available on Amazon. It sounds 308 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: like an incredible book, Christine, an incredible story that I 309 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: had never heard of. I'm looking forward to watching the 310 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: piece that you guys sent to us a CBS news 311 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: piece as well. Just an extraordinary story. Thanks for having 312 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: the courage to write it, because I think this story 313 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: needs to be told, and I hope people get an 314 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: opportunity to buy this book at their earliest convenience. It's 315 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: out available now for purchase on Amazon and in bookstores. 316 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 4: Correct it is, It's at your local stores as well 317 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 4: as Amazon borders. And I think you're right, Dan, it's 318 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 4: important to keep history alive, and I think this is 319 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 4: an untold piece of the World War two story. And 320 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 4: so I do hope people learn something from the book 321 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 4: or maybe challenges them to learn something more about World 322 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 4: War two and what happened bring that time. 323 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: My dad spent three and a half years, two and 324 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: a half years, I should say, in China, Burnman, India 325 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: during World War Two. So this is something this book 326 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to read as well. Thank you so much, Christine, 327 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: and amazing. 328 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 3: Thank you, amazing. 329 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 4: All righty, thank you so much for having me tonight. 330 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: Very welcome. When we get back, we're gonna have to 331 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: we'll have the news here at the bottom of the hour, 332 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: and then we're going to be talking with Bobby Eaton. 333 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: He's an Olympic specialist. That are our auction that's a 334 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: local auction house, and we're going to find out lots 335 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: of questions about Olympic medals. How much gold is in 336 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: an Olympic gold medal, how much it's worth, and they 337 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: have actually handled the auction of Olympic gold medals. Sometimes 338 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: Olympians fall on hard times and other times they just 339 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: decided they would just assume I get rid of their 340 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: gold medal price. Coming back on nights side, right after 341 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: the eight thirty News At the bottom of the hour. 342 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 3: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's 343 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: news radio. 344 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: All right, we're joined by Bobby Eaton from the R 345 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: and our auction R and our auction I know is 346 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: in Greater Boston. Is it in Cambridge? Barber? Refresh my 347 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: recollection on that. 348 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 3: So we're based in it. We're based in downtown day Dan. Great, 349 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 3: great to have you here, and it's great to be 350 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 3: on the show again. 351 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: Sure, okay, so this you've been back, you've been with 352 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: me before. 353 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 5: I believe, correct, Yes, absolutely excellent. 354 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: Okay, So we're talking about gold medals, and I think 355 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: one of the things that you know, with the price 356 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: of gold where it is these days, it's up around 357 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: five thousand or fifty two hundred a gold medal. Of course, 358 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: an Olympic gold medal is worth the the reason that 359 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: the Olympic gold medal was won, all of the it 360 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: and competitive success that the athlete has to win that 361 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: medal against competitors from around the world. But how much 362 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: gold is in it? My understanding, it is about six grams. 363 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: It's not even a full ounce. 364 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 5: That is correct, So six grams. The IOC put in. 365 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 3: A protocol which they have to have at least six grams, 366 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 3: So it's six grams and then five hundred grams of silver. 367 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 1: So in terms of by today's value, if you were 368 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: simply to buy the medal. 369 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 5: And ets and melt it. 370 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, If you're just going to buy 371 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: the medal, what is its mineral value? I guess I 372 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: should say first. 373 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 3: It's I don't know what the spot value is right now, 374 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 3: but it's around it's around three thousand dollars. 375 00:21:54,040 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: Okay, you folks have actually handled gold medals, silver medals, 376 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: bronze medals, Olympic medals. Why do do athletes or maybe 377 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: athletes families decide, hey, we can we've enjoyed the medal, 378 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: and we're going to make a little money with it 379 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: and and pass it on to the highest bidder. Uh 380 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: that's I'm assuming that's a tough decision to come to. 381 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: Maybe not so tough as I imagine. 382 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 5: No, I I think it is extremely tough. 383 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 3: You know, you've worked your whole life to to get 384 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 3: to the pinnacle of a sport, and you know, sometimes 385 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 3: if the athlete still owns. 386 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 5: The metal. 387 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 3: When we do sell them, they don't want to be 388 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 3: disclosed and for obvious reasons. But I I've partnered with 389 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 3: a lot of athletes that do want to be known, 390 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 3: and they're and they're selling for h many good reasons, 391 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 3: charitable reasons, helping people out. So so there's some there's 392 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 3: some good things when they say and then when you're 393 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 3: talking about earlier medals, we're talking eighteen ninety six, we're 394 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 3: talking nineteen twelve Stockholm. You know, they've gone through generations 395 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 3: and generations and family members and they just don't feel 396 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 3: close to the medal, so they would rather have it 397 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 3: in collector's hands. 398 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: Okay, So does the value of the medal that you 399 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: put out there if an athlete, however famous or well 400 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: known that athlete might be. If they say, look, you 401 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: can auction off my medal, and obviously you would. You 402 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: would know for what sport it was and what Olympiad 403 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: it was. So I guess the person who purchases it 404 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: can figure out who it is. But you don't publicize 405 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: the say hey, this was a medal that was won 406 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: by so and. 407 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 5: So sometimes we do. 408 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes if they allow us to disclose it, then 409 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 3: we will. 410 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 5: And it's personal right. 411 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 3: So sometimes they don't want the media attention and and 412 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 3: so we respect that. But like somebody who's a famous athlete, 413 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 3: Greg hu Gainus, last year, we were lucky enough to 414 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 3: partner with him to sell his gold medals from eighty 415 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 3: four and eighty eight. 416 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: And my understanding is that he sold some, he kept some, 417 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: and that he used the money to move to Panama. 418 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: I read that somewhere. Is that true? 419 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 5: That that is true? 420 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 3: I mean Greg's a traveler, right, and he lived in 421 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 3: California and he wanted to he wanted to, you know, 422 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 3: raise some funds to just get on the road and go. 423 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 5: And he's had the medals for you. 424 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 3: Know, forty years, and it was just time and he 425 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 3: has his memories and and he's like Bobby, we we 426 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 3: want to get the highest price, and I'm going to 427 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 3: go with R R. 428 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 5: And and that's what we did. 429 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 3: We sold three of his golds and you know, got 430 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 3: him around five hundred thousand dollars. 431 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: What why did he pick Panama? I mean I know 432 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: that he was a he was a diver, uh and 433 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: obviously Panama's weather is pretty nice stuff there, But what 434 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: what was the what was the Panama of all places? 435 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you know he would he would 436 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 3: have to answer that question. I think it was just 437 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 3: a you know, fresh start. You know, he always wanted 438 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 3: to go there, and and. 439 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 5: Uh, this was this is. 440 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 6: A chance to uh get out and go But you know. 441 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 5: He's still he's still around. 442 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: So that so what I'm saying is that allowed him, 443 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: after all of these years of competition, preparation, competition, et cetera, 444 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: now he's able to move somewhere where he wants to be. 445 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: Uh and uh and I guess live fairly comfortably. I 446 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: assume the standard of living in Panama is a little 447 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: less expensive than it is in California. So I I 448 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: get that. Are there any what are there any medals 449 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: that that you have got coming up on auction? Obviously 450 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 1: people are very interested in the Winter Olympics, and I 451 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: want to give you an opportunity if you do have 452 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: some medals that are going up forbid to mention tell 453 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: us how people can can learn a little bit more 454 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: about them. 455 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, Dan, it's very simple. 456 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 3: It's just go to our auction dot com. Right on 457 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 3: the homepage banner. We have, you know, our Olympic sale 458 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 3: going on. I have over three hundred items up for 459 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 3: sale right now, including at least fifty winners medals and 460 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 3: about forty Olympic torches, just as the highlights. 461 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: Forty Olympic torches. 462 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, way what you say. 463 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 1: I thought that there was like one Olympic torch for 464 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: every Olympiad that starts. I thought it always started in Greece, 465 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: and then it's traveled and handed off from country to country, 466 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: from person to person until they get to the location. 467 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,239 Speaker 1: I guess multiple torches are used in that. I mean, 468 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: that's quite a quite a collector's item as well. Tell 469 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: us about that real quickly. 470 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 3: Well, you know, when I first started this fifteen years ago, 471 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 3: I thought the same thing Dan. I thought that there 472 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 3: was one torch and they ran it around. They all 473 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 3: they handed it off every you know, quarter of a mile. 474 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 3: And when I started getting into the industry, immediately I 475 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 3: found out, okay, well some years they made ten thousand torches, 476 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 3: some years they made fifty, some years they made five. 477 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 3: And then the really really rare years, mostly winter, they 478 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 3: made as little as as one torch, or they made 479 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 3: twenty torches. 480 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: WHOA, So I assume that that a value gets associated. Well, 481 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: look what people need to do, and I'm going to 482 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: do it myself. Just go to our auction is it 483 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: dot com or yep, that's r our auction dot com. 484 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: I will be looking at this tomorrow because it's really 485 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: it's it's fascinating and you never know, you might see 486 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: something that strikes a nerve and you say, gee, I'd 487 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: like to have a little piece of history. Bob, Thanks, 488 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: thank you so much. I appreciate it, Bobby. Bobby Eaton 489 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: Olympic specialists at R and R at r R auction 490 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: likes railroad like r R auction, dot org, dot com, 491 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: excuse me, dot com. It's a business, all right, Thanks 492 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: very much, Bobby. Always love to have you on the 493 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: show because it's fascinating the materials that pass through your hands. 494 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 5: I appreciate it. 495 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it from the bottom of my heart. 496 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. All Right, when we get back, 497 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the US economy. There was 498 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: an interesting jobs report that came out today. One hundred 499 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: and thirty thousand jobs. Pretty good number for particularly the 500 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: end I guess, either the end of the first year 501 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: of the Trump number two or the beginning of the 502 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: second year. And we're going to talk with Dan Voroni. 503 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,719 Speaker 1: He's an economic out of just an founder and CEO 504 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: of potomaccare a strategic planning firm that advises business leaders, 505 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: trade associations, and policy makers. The market kind of yawned 506 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: on that today wasn't much movement at all, but will 507 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: if you're anyone who's interested in the stock market, the economy, 508 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: how that will impact the political elections, the midterm elections 509 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty six. You got to stick with us 510 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: and listen to what Dan Varney has to say coming 511 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: back on Nightside right after this. 512 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 5: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WZ Boston's 513 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 5: News Radio. 514 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back everybody. The economy is doing surprisingly well. 515 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: I think there was a lot of concern back in April. 516 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: Today there was a jobs report released, one hundred and 517 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: thirty thousand jobs, not an incredible number, but much more 518 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: than expected. And with us to sort of sort this out, 519 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: as Dan Varney, economic strategist and founder as well as 520 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: the CEO of Potomac Core strategic planning firm, the devisor's 521 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: business leaders, trade associations and policy makers. So Dan, let's 522 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: start off with today. First of all, welcome to Night's 523 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: Idan Veroni. How are you. 524 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 6: Great pleasure to be here. 525 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 5: Thank you. I'm doing well. 526 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: So the job report today, I guess the thought of 527 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: the expectation was they were going to get about seventy thousand, 528 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: so sixty thousand more, almost twice the number of jobs. 529 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: The market had a bump early reaction, and then it 530 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: slid back and they all ended up barely relatively insignificant day. 531 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: What happened on Wall Street today? Why the bump and 532 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: why the retreat? 533 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 6: So, you know, knowing Wall Street the way we do, right, 534 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 6: I think that Wall Street was disappointed that the job 535 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 6: numbers weren't worse, because if they were, the likelihood of 536 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 6: getting a cut and a better reserve interest rates would 537 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 6: have been much higher. So I think that might have 538 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 6: been it. I think, off the top of my head, 539 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 6: that's what I think. I watched the market every day 540 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 6: like many do. That was my sense of it. But 541 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 6: I think on the other side of it dam From 542 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 6: my perspective, I was encouraged with the jobs numbers. I 543 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 6: think it's very good news. And when you get inside 544 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 6: the numbers, right, wages were up, that's very good news. 545 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 6: Private sector jobs were up, they were up almost one 546 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 6: hundred and seventy thousand. This is all good news, right, 547 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 6: There is good news in this report. 548 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: Okay, I think back to last April when the President 549 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: had his first announce a tariffs and Liberation day. Everybody, 550 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,479 Speaker 1: at least a lot of the economists that I follow, 551 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: was saying this will be a disaster, and the market 552 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,479 Speaker 1: took a huge hit. It was down about twenty percent 553 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: within a matter of a few days. It has come 554 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: back and has gone way beyond where it was. How 555 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: is it? And conventional wisdom is often wrong, but how 556 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: is it that so many economists were wrong on the 557 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,959 Speaker 1: April tariffs and this market just seems to be humming 558 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: along now. I know that the poll numbers for the 559 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: White House are really down in the dumps, but I 560 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: think that the economy, my view of it is that 561 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: we may be set up for a pretty good year economically. 562 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: And I'd love to know what you think about the 563 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: long term economic prospects for everyone, Democrat and Republican alike. 564 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 6: Sure, So, let's first talk to the terriff issue very quickly. 565 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: Yep. 566 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 6: So bottom line of all that is that after last April, 567 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 6: I went and I tracked back the tariff issue in 568 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 6: the first Trump administration, and it was less than one percent. 569 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 6: They had a deminimous impact. And what I've said to 570 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 6: people is, let a full year ago and then let's 571 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 6: take a closer look at the numbers. So let me 572 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 6: just put that aside, and let's talk about the economy before. 573 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: We go to before we go Did I remember every 574 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: economist I talked to always wanted to talk about smooth hardly? 575 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: You know, this is nineteen thirty two all over again. 576 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: But go ahead if you remember. I'm and I'm correct 577 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: when I say that. 578 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 6: You are correct. Yes, I think I think that there 579 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 6: was an overdwelling on that. Candidly, I was worried about it. 580 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 6: You know, when you look at the other side of it, 581 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 6: No one's really talking about the new market access for 582 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 6: US products. People don't realize that, for the first time 583 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 6: ever that American cars will be able to be sold 584 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 6: in Japan and in Europe, and nobody talks about that. 585 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 6: How did that happen? That came about as part of 586 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 6: this terrorf regime issue? 587 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 5: Right? 588 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 6: Terrafs are are are deliberate negotiation strategy to get market 589 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 6: access for American products. And I'm energized that American car 590 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 6: is going to be sold somewhere else when we export 591 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 6: more product the American people are wealthier and exports are 592 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 6: way up, and I think that's also pretty good news. 593 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 1: So let's let's look then as to what you think 594 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six is going to bring good news, bad news, 595 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 1: or mixed bag. 596 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 6: So I think I think today the way I look 597 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 6: at it is Main Street just showed that it's ready 598 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 6: to grow. And what I mean by that is that 599 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 6: so the policy pieces are in place, so when you 600 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 6: look at the big beautiful law, so I'm small business focused. 601 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 6: My book on small business came out last September. It's 602 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 6: called Rethinking Economic Growth, and it's about the power of 603 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,439 Speaker 6: small business and drive in the US economy. The reason 604 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 6: why I am so energized about this economy right now 605 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 6: is that there's a one hundred percent first you're expensing 606 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 6: for plants and equipment that helped small business small business. 607 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 6: They literally fifty percent of the UST jobs come from 608 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 6: small business. Ninety nine point nine percent of the companies 609 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 6: in the United States are small business. So I viewed 610 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 6: these tax cuts as small business driven and small business focused. 611 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 6: So that's one part of it. The second part of 612 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 6: it is I saw the withholding rates were going to 613 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 6: be reduced. They have been reduced, which means that taxpayers 614 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,240 Speaker 6: are able to take more cash or keep more cash 615 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 6: money for themselves. The third part of it is that 616 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 6: I saw that on average, that taxpayers were going to 617 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 6: get one to two thousand or more in tax refunds. 618 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 6: So I was pleased about that. For those who had 619 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 6: jobs involving tips, they were going to be able to 620 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,280 Speaker 6: deduct up to twenty five thousand dollars. 621 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 5: I was very. 622 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 6: Pleased about that, and when I look at the dynamics 623 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 6: around the tax laws, that's very positive. The second dynamic 624 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 6: and the reason why I'm very excited, is that President 625 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 6: Trump and his administration have been aggressively unwinding what was 626 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 6: the severe regulatory structure from the prior administration. And the 627 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 6: prior administration there were one point four trillion dollars worth 628 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,959 Speaker 6: of new regulations imposed. Those hurt small business a lot. 629 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 6: They can't afford to comply with excessive regulation. So as 630 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 6: you unwind those regulations, you help small businesses. And because 631 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 6: small businesses, employee two have three new private sector jobs. 632 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 6: I was absolutely energized about that as well. So when 633 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 6: people say to me, when colleagues and friends and such said, 634 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 6: give me your take, on the economy this year, and 635 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 6: I said I expected a strong first quarter, but I 636 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 6: expected the economy to absolutely accelerate in the second, third, 637 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 6: and fourth quarter. That I saw the new tax policies 638 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 6: that would help small business, would create new jobs, it 639 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 6: would launch growth. The regulations would be less stringent and 640 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 6: more of a benefit to small business that would help them. 641 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: All all positive points. Dan, clear to me that you 642 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: are pretty bullish on the economy. Thank you for being 643 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: so straightforward. We're up against our newscast. So what is 644 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: the book that you have out that people might like 645 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,240 Speaker 1: to get to buy. What's your book? 646 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 6: It's called Rethinking Economic Growth. It's available right now on Amazon. 647 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: Rethinking Economic Growth. Gotcha. We'll have you back for a 648 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: longer session, okay, because seven or eight minutes does not 649 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: do enough for you to explain. But I'd love to 650 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: get you back. I'm going to talk to my producer 651 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: and see when we get you back in the next 652 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, and you can talk to listeners as 653 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: well during a full hour. 654 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 6: Okat, that'd be great. 655 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: I'd enjoy that, all right, Dan dan Veroni, thank you 656 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: very much, CEO of Potomac Care core Core. We'll be 657 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: back on Night's side right after the nine o'clock news, 658 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: and we are going to talk about flock cameras.