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Speaker 1: The following takes place between seven pm and eight pm.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to it. Seven oh seven, seven

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Speaker 2: hundred WLW Welcome in, all right, El Carrier Sports Talk

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Speaker 2: presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. I'm Lance mccalmister may, and I

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Speaker 2: am glad you are here. Just one hour to work with.

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Speaker 2: I need three, I've only got one. So let's get

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Speaker 2: to it. This is gonna be a lot of Bengals conversation.

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Speaker 2: It will include and seek out your input as well.

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Speaker 2: At five one, three, seven four nine, seven thousand, one

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Speaker 2: about forty eight make it forty nine hours and twelve

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Speaker 2: minutes from right now, the Bengals are gonna play a

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Speaker 2: football game national TV Division rival Baltimore Ravens. Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: is going to return as the Bengals starting quarterback. You

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Speaker 2: know what he's been through. You know the Bengals one

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Speaker 2: loss record. Right now, you know where they sit in

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Speaker 2: the odds of them making the playoffs. The question has

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Speaker 2: been for a while, going back to last week play

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, Sit Joe Burrow. He returns on Thursday Night,

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Speaker 2: or he returns in some people's minds week one of

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Speaker 2: next season. What's it gonna be? That's what I want

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Speaker 2: to talk about. You and me talking about that. You're

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Speaker 2: gonna hear from Joe Burrow. You're gonna hear from Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 2: You're even gonna hear from Jamar Chase today before we

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Speaker 2: are done at eight o'clock and a hand things off

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Speaker 2: to the Scott Ciderfield Show. I'm so excited about this,

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Speaker 2: and I've got so little time to do it. I'm

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Speaker 2: to this. Joe Burrow spoke with the media earlier this

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Speaker 2: afternoon against the backdrop of the idea that the Bengal

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Speaker 2: should put him on ice, protect him, don't play him.

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Speaker 2: See you next year. Joe Burrow was asked why he's

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Speaker 2: going to play Thursday Night. Take a listen to what

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Speaker 3: I'm a football player.

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Speaker 4: I get paid a lot of money to go and

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Speaker 4: play a game with my friends, and we work really hard,

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Speaker 4: and you know, it's intense and there's jobs on the line,

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Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, it's a game,

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Speaker 4: and I've worked hard to put myself in this position

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Speaker 4: out and play with these guys, and that's something I

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Speaker 5: What are your thoughts when people say you're the franchise,

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Speaker 5: you're the most important player in organization, and you should

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Speaker 3: For next year and going forward, be how mad?

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Speaker 4: So I understand why people feel that way, but you

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Speaker 4: look at it from my perspective. I'm a football player,

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Speaker 4: and if I get hurt, I'm gonna go through the

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Speaker 4: I feel like I can go out there and play.

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Speaker 4: I don't really know what else to say about that.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna ever go to somebody and say, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm healthy, but I don't think I don't think I

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Speaker 4: should go out there and play. That doesn't make a

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Speaker 3: It's football.

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Speaker 4: Guys are gonna get hurt. Guys are gonna get concussions.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna break bones, tear ligaments. It's a physical, intense game.

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Speaker 4: That's that's part of this. And yeah, I've had injuries.

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Speaker 4: It's not a lot I can do about that. I

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Speaker 4: control how I'm attacking my rehab and attacking practice and

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Speaker 2: That's what I did, Joe Burrow earlier today. I'm a

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Speaker 2: I really don't know what else to say about that,

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Speaker 2: And there is nothing better when you do what I

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Speaker 2: Right now, it is running forty eight percent, say yes,

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow started ramping up last week, was limited and

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Speaker 2: turnaround had he played on Sunday to this week? He

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Speaker 2: Here's Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 3: It felt good. I needed it.

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Speaker 4: Felt good to get some live reps both scout team,

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Speaker 4: well this week, having a full week where you know

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow earlier today. So the follow up question is

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Speaker 2: went through it last week? Why Thursday night? Why Thanksgiving

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Speaker 3: It's a division game.

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Speaker 4: It's a division rivalry. You got respect for him, but

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Speaker 4: it's intense out there. It's something I wanted to be

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Speaker 3: So that's exciting to me. It's a national stage to go.

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Speaker 4: Out and improve yourself again after not playing for several weeks,

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Speaker 4: the hard work that you've put in the type of

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Speaker 2: Joe was asked if he believes, based on how he feels,

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Speaker 2: and if he's considered approaching his playing style from a

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Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see.

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Speaker 4: I think I'm I'm feeling good, good enough to go

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Speaker 7: Is there something that you thought about maybe I'd like

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Speaker 8: Roverboard?

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Speaker 3: Does that change it?

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Speaker 3: You think about a lot of different things.

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Speaker 4: Number One, you have time to think about them, and

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Speaker 4: you know, you watch a lot of games across the league,

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Speaker 4: and you see who's playing well, who's not, what's working schematically?

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Speaker 3: What isn't you evaluate everything?

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow earlier today, All right, Joe, let's open up

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Speaker 2: those lines. I want to know what you think. Where

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Speaker 2: that everybody's talking about play Joe Burrow, don't play Joe,

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Speaker 2: he's playing. Would you play him Thursday night? I absolutelytely would.

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Speaker 2: He's worked his tail off to make it back to

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Speaker 2: be with his teammates. He's gone through the grind. What

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Speaker 2: did he say? I'm a football player, he's healthy, he's

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Speaker 2: then practice players play. He said, you can't live your

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Speaker 2: life scared. I can't wait to see Joe Burrow play

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Speaker 2: Thursday Night. Your call's next five one, three, seven, four nine,

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Speaker 2: seven thousand, one eight hundred. The big one. You hear

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Speaker 2: from Zach Taylor ahead on what he expects out of

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow and if he plans to coach him any

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Speaker 2: differently in terms of perhaps trying to avoid injuries. That

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Speaker 2: is next. RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet

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Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW seven twenty one, seven hundred WLW RNL

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Speaker 2: Carrier Sports Talk present buy Kelsey Chevalle. I'm Lance Pacallister,

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Speaker 2: Joe Wadell producing tonight. We thank you for listening. Stick

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Speaker 2: I am on X at lancemcallister Twitter to some question

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Speaker 2: I asked earlier today. If you aren't comfortable and or

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Speaker 2: are afraid of Joe Burrow getting hurt Thursday night, what

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Speaker 2: is the date you would no longer be worried. You know,

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Speaker 2: Joe said, I'm not the type who's going to say

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Speaker 2: doesn't make a lot of sense to me. You can't

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Speaker 2: live life scared players play. Joe Burrow is making over

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Speaker 2: fifty million dollars this year. He's their best player. He's

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Speaker 2: Do you know that Joe Burrow has played six quarters

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Speaker 2: wants to see him next in Week one of next year?

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine Joe Burrow playing a grand total of

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Speaker 2: in nineteen months for Joe Burrow. There are still six

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Speaker 2: games left in this season. That's thirty Butler math, thirty

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Speaker 2: five percent of the season remains. Are you really part

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Speaker 2: of the fifty percent on one side of the coin that

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Speaker 2: says you don't want him to play this season. Zach

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Speaker 5: Difficult to predict. You know, it has been several months,

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Speaker 5: that we've had over the last several weeks. I think

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Speaker 5: it was a fair progression for him to do the

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Speaker 5: he lands. But I think it's been a really good

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Speaker 5: progression that's been helpful for him and done everything he

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Speaker 2: Now, understand as I say this, and I can't wait

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Speaker 2: to see him on Thursday night, I will be holding

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Speaker 2: my breath every time he drops back. I will hold

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Speaker 2: my breath. I'll admit that. But again I'm going to

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Speaker 2: to play is their best player, and there's six games

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking my call. My friend.

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Speaker 2: Bengals practicing under the lights tonight in preparation for Thursday

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Speaker 2: night Tomorrow night at Long Necks in Hebron. A League

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Speaker 2: source telling Josina Anderson that Colts defensive coordinator lou Anarumo

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Speaker 2: he's been medically cleared and he's practiced and he's come

436
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Speaker 2: through those practices, what it would it be like a

437
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Speaker 2: like a superhuman tow by September the first. I don't

438
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Speaker 2: know what the difference would be if he's been cleared.

439
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: He hasn't been clear like wink wink, but you know,

440
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Speaker 2: just you know, don't do anything stupid. He's been clear

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Speaker 2: to play football, and Joe said, I'm a football player

442
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Speaker 2: and I can't live life being scared. It doesn't make

443
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Speaker 2: a lot of sense if I'm healthy to not play.

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Speaker 2: So I guess I'll come full circle on this. If

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Speaker 2: Joe wants to play and feels comfortable as the face

446
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Speaker 2: of the franchise, the most important player on the team,

447
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Speaker 2: who they're paying over fifty million a year and Joe

448
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Speaker 2: has been through how many rehabs. If Joe considers all

449
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Speaker 2: of that in factors in how he feels and how

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Speaker 2: his toe feels, and how he's come out of the

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Speaker 2: practices and said I'm good to go, I don't understand

452
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Speaker 2: how anybody else would say no, no, no, no, no, you

453
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Speaker 2: shouldn't play till week one next year. I'll use Joe's line.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. Cincinnati, we go. Brian, you

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Speaker 2: were on seven hundred WLW you welcome.

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Speaker 9: Hey Lance yea. I find this discussion fascinating. I could

457
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Speaker 9: see both those sides everyone deciding on this. But anyway,

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Speaker 9: you spoke about the offensive line playing better and bear

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Speaker 9: with me a minute, But I mean, are they or

460
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Speaker 9: does it lend itself to the style of play of

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Speaker 9: the quarterback. I'm not sure how many times Joe Burrow

462
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Speaker 9: has been under center this year, but I would say

463
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Speaker 9: Flaco's probably played under center quite a bit more, which

464
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Speaker 9: maybe these linemen enjoy that which most linemen do to

465
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Speaker 9: be able to fire out and hit somebody. So I'm

466
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Speaker 9: not sure if they're playing better or they're just they're

467
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Speaker 9: they're they're playing, which if they are playing better, it

468
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 9: looks better, but it may lend itself to to the

469
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Speaker 9: way that they really want to be playing. But kill Burrow,

470
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Speaker 9: I don't feel like he should be. Uh. Now he's

471
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Speaker 9: he's clear to play, so I guess he's good to go.

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Speaker 9: I'm not really sure if I believe. I mean, I'm

473
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Speaker 9: the doctors, they're the doctors. And uh but but Joe

474
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Speaker 9: pretty much runs your organization. So whatever he wants to do,

475
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Speaker 9: I think it's gonna you know, it's gonna be So.

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Speaker 9: I don't know if he's kind of you know, got

477
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Speaker 9: a few people full down there or or what.

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Speaker 2: But if right, if that's the case, why why would

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow risk fooling people to risk his career by

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Speaker 2: playing Thursday night? If under your scenario, what would he

481
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Speaker 2: have to gain by doing that?

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Speaker 9: Well, he's a football game. I mean, he's a football player.

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Speaker 8: That's what he wants to.

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Speaker 2: Why would he risk his career? Why would he risk

485
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Speaker 2: coming back for after sixty plus days? Why would he

486
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Speaker 2: try to fool people to come back. Why wouldn't he

487
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 2: just think I need to take care of myself and

488
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Speaker 2: I'll see you next year.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, maybe the clock in his head is going off.

490
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Speaker 9: I mean next month, I think he'll be twenty nine

491
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Speaker 9: years old.

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Speaker 8: I mean, so.

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Speaker 9: They've really I mean, he may be looking here and

494
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Speaker 9: he may be going, damn, what happened here? I mean,

495
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Speaker 9: you know, you know all these injuries and everything, and

496
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Speaker 9: I mean, I'm sure he just wants to get back

497
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Speaker 9: on the field. If you look at him on the sideline,

498
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Speaker 9: it looks like he's like disheveled and like he's ready,

499
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Speaker 9: like you don't know what the hell to do. But

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Speaker 9: I know he wants to play football. I get that.

501
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Speaker 9: I know, I know you're a football player. But I

502
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Speaker 9: feel like he's got a little bit too much pool

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Speaker 9: as to what the organization does. In general.

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Speaker 2: Well let's remember now, I mean, i'll have to I

505
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Speaker 2: got to rebut that as well. It was Zach who

506
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Speaker 2: told him he wasn't going to play on Sunday. He

507
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Speaker 2: wanted to play Sunday and Zach said no, not with a.

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Speaker 9: Quick turnaround, right, well, I thank you for Zach. That

509
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 9: was like, you know, we got this game Thursday. We'll

510
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Speaker 9: give him a little more time to you know. That

511
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Speaker 9: was like, okay, we'll give him a few more days

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Speaker 9: if he thanks, he's ready. We're gonna give him a

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Speaker 9: few more days. And that's what this is. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 9: I'm no doctor. I'm just a football of faan. I mean,

515
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Speaker 9: everyone you talk to about this injury, Julius Fording, I

516
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 9: mean this this end a boat or Dion Sanders career.

517
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Speaker 9: I mean, this is a this is a major deal.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I mean, if he's walking around, if he

519
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Speaker 9: can move and pivot and push off, I mean, I

520
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Speaker 9: guess everything's good. But uh, we'll see, won't we I

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Speaker 9: mean we'll we'll see.

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Speaker 2: We will see, and we'll collectively hold our breaths on

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Speaker 2: Thursday night. Hey, Brian, have a happy.

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Speaker 9: Thanksgiving, Haavy, Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Lance, thank you, appreciate you checking in very much.

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Speaker 2: Enjoyed the conversation. I will say and follow up on

527
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Speaker 2: the idea of the sacks. I think there is something too.

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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco doesn't get sacked as much. Yeah, he's he's

529
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Speaker 2: much more immobile than But Joe Flacco doesn't take a

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Speaker 2: lot of sacks because when a play breaks down, instead

531
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Speaker 2: of trying to hang in there and make something happen,

532
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: he throws it away, throws it in the ground, and

533
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Speaker 2: doesn't take a sack Joe. And we love this about Joe.

534
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Speaker 2: How many times has Joe made a play extending a

535
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Speaker 2: play where it maybe wasn't there to begin with. As

536
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: the play's unfolding it, but he slides to his right,

537
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: slides to his left, steps up in the pocket. Remember

538
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Speaker 2: the past last year where he is diving forward like

539
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Speaker 2: Superman throwing the football. That's all an extension of the

540
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,719
Speaker 2: play that's off script, and that's what makes Joe Joe.

541
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Speaker 2: So I think that does lend itself to more sacks

542
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Speaker 2: than somebody like Joe Flacco, who says, well, I can't

543
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: do all that moving around, and this play's not going anywhere.

544
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: Let's call it a down and move on to the

545
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Speaker 2: next one. I think it is interesting to see if Joe,

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Speaker 2: in his mind navigates any closer to that mentality. You

547
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: see what I'm saying, not fully into I'm Joe Burrow,

548
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: I'm very mobile. I can extend this, and somebody's gonna

549
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,959
Speaker 2: get open to slide a little bit on the dial

550
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: this way over towards the Flacco model of that play's

551
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: not going anywhere. I'm done, Let's go on to second down.

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Speaker 2: I think that would be very interesting to watch. I'm

553
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Speaker 2: way late. Down the stretch we will go. It's RNL

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Speaker 2: Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chbylet seven hundred WLW

555
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Speaker 2: down the stretch we go about to hand things over

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Speaker 2: the news in the Scott Saderfield Show. By the way,

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Speaker 2: shout out to my guy Nathan Eaton today. I was

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Speaker 2: honored to be invited to Molar High School this morning

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Speaker 2: to speak to Nathan's media podcasting class. It was a

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Speaker 2: fantastic class, a great group, fantastic questions, and I am

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Speaker 2: so proud of and so impressed by what Nathan Eaton

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Speaker 2: is doing. He's a former intern with us, and what

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Speaker 2: he has done both at first at Marymont High School

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Speaker 2: and now at Mohler High School with the media departments,

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Speaker 2: and just the way and what he's always been about

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Speaker 2: in the time I've known him. From a person, husband, father, teacher,

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Speaker 2: youth minister, you name it. He's a very impressive guy

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Speaker 2: and I was honored to be there today and had

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Speaker 2: a wonderful time talking about the business with his class

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Speaker 2: at Moeler High School. Thanks again for the invite. Let's

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Speaker 2: go here. I got to go to Middletown and see

572
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Speaker 2: what John thinks of all this John Joe goes or

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Speaker 2: Joe sits.

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean I can hit on that real quick

575
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Speaker 6: and a couple of things real fast if you let me.

576
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Speaker 8: Joe. Yeah, Joe's a football player.

577
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Speaker 6: Joe plays football. Like he said, I have the same

578
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 6: exact attitude Joe has. It's like he said what I'd say,

579
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Speaker 6: and Joe, Joe knows all right, Joe.

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Speaker 8: Goes out there.

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Speaker 6: You know, if Joe would have been there last week,

582
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Speaker 6: we would have won. I'm just going to say that.

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm not hating on Flacco, but I think

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Speaker 6: maybe the last two games, maybe he hurt us more

585
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 6: than he helped us. Maybe maybe last week Browning should

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Speaker 6: have went. I'm just saying. And then I wanted to

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Speaker 6: comment on the Jamar thing real quick. Yeah, you know,

588
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Speaker 6: I'm not condoning spitting on anyone. Let me say the skin.

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Speaker 2: I do not feel anyone should.

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Speaker 6: Spit on anyone.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's.

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Speaker 6: Right. But you know, this guy kept getting in Jamar's space,

593
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Speaker 6: would not.

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Speaker 8: Leave him alone.

595
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 6: Jamar already showed him some course, drink grabbed his space

596
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 6: mask and that's what made him magine. Mark showed him

597
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Speaker 6: some power, and he kept on with this if I'm

598
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Speaker 6: not mistaken in that the same guy who made Aj

599
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Speaker 6: Green attacking and we're talking about that's what that's not

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Speaker 6: Getting the church.

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Speaker 8: Deacon to attack you, get AJ to attack you. That's

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Speaker 8: how laid back a is, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: So we already know this guy's mister talker, you know

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Speaker 6: what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Take that terrible tell. There is no question he he is.

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Speaker 2: He knows how to get under anybody's skin, right.

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Speaker 6: I don't condone it, but like like Jamorrow said this

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Speaker 6: in this character, and I will say, would ask him

609
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Speaker 6: questions like this is gonna stick with him? We're gonna

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Speaker 6: forget about this like any other.

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Speaker 2: Remember, he was just asking if he thought it would.

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Speaker 2: I thank you for the call, John. It It wasn't

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Speaker 2: a statement that it would.

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Speaker 10: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was a question asking his thought on would it

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Speaker 2: to give him the opening to explain why he doesn't

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Speaker 2: think or hopes it doesn't. That's all that was, by

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Speaker 2: the way. The Carolina Panthers safety Trayvon Merrig today suspended

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Speaker 2: one game for unsportsmanlike conduct in Monday Night Football last night.

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Speaker 2: He punched the forty nine Ers wide receiver Juwan Jennings

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Speaker 2: in a spot that no guy would want to be punched. Well,

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Speaker 2: let's put it that way. Suspended one game today. I

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Speaker 2: wish I had more time. I could really use three

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Speaker 2: hours tonight. I've got one note for you to close

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Speaker 2: the show. On this night in Cincinnati sports history, you

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Speaker 2: see basketball opened up the Shoemaker Center, the thirty two

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Speaker 2: million dollars Shoemaker Center, the debut of Hugs, Bob Huggins

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Speaker 2: and Steve Sanders, a walk on from the football team,

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Speaker 2: hits a shot with eight tenths of a second left.

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Speaker 2: You see stunts number twenty Minnesota at the buzzer, bedlam

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Speaker 2: at the Shoe back. And I watched that game today.

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Speaker 2: Just an unbelievable just that time in the start of

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Speaker 2: what you see basketball would become under Bob Huggins on

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Speaker 2: this date nineteen eighty nine. What an unreal night at

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Speaker 2: the Shoe Man, I get I gonna use three hours tonight.

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Speaker 2: How about we hook up tomorrow night, roundtable show Long

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Speaker 2: Next in Hebrew, I'm with Rocky six to eight. Hope

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Speaker 2: you'll stop by and hang out with us. Stick around.

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Speaker 2: The news is next, followed by the Scott Centerfield Show.

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Speaker 2: It's Arnheil Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Cherbale seven

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Speaker 2: hundred WLW